Modern Wisdom - #405 - Scott Capurro - How To Survive Thanksgiving & LGBT Politics

Episode Date: December 2, 2021

Scott Capurro is a comedian, writer and an actor. I needed some advice for how to survive my first thanksgiving in America and also to try and make sense of what I've been seeing since I've been out here. Scott started shouting about the British but I think he tried his best to help. Expect to learn why Scott got banned from Australian TV, why the Women's March sent out a problematic email, how the internal politics of the LGBT community are messed up, why a focus on race is causing people to ignore real issues of class, the best way to avoid causing a ruckus during the holidays and much more... Sponsors: Join the Modern Wisdom Community to connect with me & other listeners - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Get 15% discount on the amazing 6 Minute Diary at https://bit.ly/diarywisdom (use code MW15) Get 15% discount on Craftd London’s jewellery at https://bit.ly/cdwisdom (use code MW15) Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 4.0 at https://www.manscaped.com/ (use code MODERNWISDOM) Extra Stuff: Check out Scott's website - https://scottcapurro.com/ Follow Scott on Twitter - https://twitter.com/scottcapurro  Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Howdy friends, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Scott Capuro, he's a comedian, writer and an actor. We're talking about how to survive Thanksgiving and LGBT politics. I needed some advice on how to get through my first Thanksgiving in America and also to try and make sense of what I've been seeing since I've been out here. Scott started shouting things about the British, but I do think he tried his best to help. Today, expect to learn why Scott got banned from Australian TV, why the women's march sent out a problematic email, how the internal politics of the LGBT community amessed up, why a focus on race is causing people to ignore real issues of class, the best way to

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Scott Capura. I don't know what it is, I don't know why you celebrate it, I don't know what to expect, all the IC and memes about how to insult or have difficult conversations with your family members around the dinner table. So can you give me a guide for how to survive Thanksgiving, please? Well, it's an adult outing. Now, I don't mean just leaving your house and going outdoors. I mean, outing yourself to your family in all sorts of ways, politically, in terms of sexuality and gender too. There will be a lot of trans exploration at Thanksgiving this year because everyone's

trans. There's millions of them. So we have to look out. They're there. There's one at the table. So yeah, there's lots of trans. So expect to transit your Thanksgiving. It's transgiving this year, by the way.

So we're calling it transgiving, by the way. Yeah. People kill animals and barbecue them and then eat them and try to avoid with their mouth full of food talking to their family members. I sit at the dining table across my dad and wait for him to take his last breath. So I don't have to do skin live anymore because that old fucker has so much money will not spend it on me. But yes, what it mostly is is a chance for people to get together and pretend it's not Christmas around the corner.

So there's no gifts, there's just food, you shove it in, you pass out, you're at the dining table, and then you wake up at our lady and say, I gotta go, I'm so full, you drive home. That's what it is. Or you fall down on the floor, you're so full, you lay down on your brothers living on floor and wait for people to pass by so you look up their skirts, but you don't really want to see most of it. So yes, that, there's that. There's skirt viewing. But it's mostly just a time, I think, it's 4-day holiday.

It's a shopping season because Black Friday happens on the Friday after Christmas, after Thanksgiving. So that's what people are really most looking forward to. I like Thanksgiving because Halloween's my favorite. Best of holiday. But thanks to my psych, because it's just about the food and you don't have to worry about gift giving yet. And I like the food.

It's a nice turkey's nice. Some people have ham, communists eat fesent or fish, or lobster which is fucked up. But a lot of people do that. Where you're from, I'm sure there's a lot of meat on the offer, Texas love their barbecue.

The barbecue turkey is good. Yeah, it's about, it's a holiday about responding to how lucky we are to have escaped European dominance. People left Europe in the 18th, well, the 16th, 17th, 18th century to for a religious freedom. And that's what they're celebrating. They said, thank you, God, that we don't have to eat with the English anymore. Is that why an I've now been invited? So it's basically a victory party for your nation over my nation. And I've been invited back around. Yes,

they're going to kill you. So is this going to be like that get out movie where that they invite that one black guy around and then it's a big game where they all try and kill him? Yeah, that's really, it'll be like that. I mean, I think people have forgotten the, the truth about the holiday season, which really was some people came from Europe and took away some land from some indigenous people, killed them with disease, or murdered all their children to make sure they couldn't populate, and then celebrated that.

So we're trying to not celebrate the truth. But this is where the critical race theory comes in. I think people, kids don't really understand what the holiday season's about, because it'll ruin their stuffing and their cranberry sauce. And where all that comes from, I don't know, don't ask me where the cranberry sauce comes from. Again, that's an English thing, isn't it?

Yeah, very much so. Yeah. But I think what I used to like about the holidays, too, thanks to having Christmas, is these to open films on these days in America, all the cinemas we open, and they go to movies with my family, it's like about the holidays, two Thanksgiving Christens, just these to open films on these days in America, all the cinemas we open, and I go to movies with my family, it's really fun. But that's kind of not happening this year either,

I think, because COVID, does anyone go to the movies anymore? I think anyone does. Man, I don't know. I went to go and see, what was the last movie I went to go and see? I can't even remember. I wanted to go and see the James Bond,

the new James Bond, and then someone told me that it was terrible, so I didn't bother to go and see that. I wanted to go see some new Marvel thing. Yeah, it was empty, absolutely empty. Yeah. I mean, we're watching a Mexican soap opera tomorrow, dare I think, it's hilarious. Called The House of Flowers.

It's so funny. And my husband's Brazilian, so he's a big fan of Mexican TV. And some of my relatives are Mexican. And their indigenous people as well. So when I see them, we don't really talk much about the joy Thanksgiving. And they tend to bring pre-made packaged microwave food to their festive events.

Yeah. So. I think that's a little bit of a slight on the holiday at large. It might be. Yeah, yeah. But it's's a little bit of a slight on the holiday at large it might be yeah Yeah, but it's a big deal to my husband if he believes in oh he's gone he believes in family it's weird It's fucked up. He just saw some of his family Ecuador because he wanted to it's so weird to me like he sees them out of Join happiness and union abond

It's not out of obligation Yeah, it's yeah or because you want a new car, because you want to brag about your make for living. So we're seeing my family tomorrow. We've been harassed and kidnapped basically emotionally, so we have to go see them for a few hours. He'll complain on the car all the way there, but it's mostly because he doesn't understand why there's a room full of people who hate each other so much.

When he first met my family, he's like, I've never been much. In a room full of people who can barely, could barely stand the smell or stench of each other. I'm like, well, happy Christmas. I mean, the nice people, my family, died because they were nice. They were murdered. So now it's just, it's the gangsters in the mafia left. I mean, if we survive, I'll be happy. Italians all sit, that my family will not sit with their backs to the windows because they're too afraid of being shot from outdoors My father has whole house only has windows on one side. That's what he bought it He never goes to restaurants with windows in the many never pays with credit cards. He's too afraid of being traced This is the mood I share thanks giving with my family and they're part of the Sicilian mafia

Yeah, they're illegal imports next to exporters. That's how they made their money. It's all It's all public with my family. They don't they're not ashamed of it. They're proud of it Since the sopranos they're like local celebrities in small towns where they live Jesus by they were at black tie on holidays It's it's weird, but they do it. They were at black ties and black jackets because they want everyone to know who they are Wow, they're muscle people it's scary. I can imagine you fitting right in with a bunch of murderers and hitmen and extortionists. They love the gay things. No, they like the gay thing because their country will leave us alone with their wives but they go outside and smoke marijuana on in the driveway because they know we won't

hit on anybody. They do. We can go shopping with their wives. They're fine with that. We're like gay bodyguards, right, honey? Yeah. Or they love when we're there because my husband's great with kids, so they leave their meatloafs alone with my husband and he builds a fake bar for them, makes little drinks and like little grownups. And you know, they go and make phone calls and deal drugs internationally.

They come back to our slate and like, can you bring him to the next fifth? Because they don't like their kids either. They fucking hate their kids. Most people do. And so people used, it seems like a lot of my buddies that are more personally developments inclined are using this as an opportunity to do an end of your review to kind of gratitude and such. That would be something typically that we would do around New Year's Eve in the UK. Is that people not use it as a time to reflect the thanks giving, the gratitude thing. You know, it's really sweet, only worldly view to say, but we're all about moving forward. Like I said earlier, we've got a world to run here in the US.

So it's move, move, move, fast, fast, fast out of my way. In fact, half the people I see in family functions, or even in clubs or bars when I'm working, are on their phones all the time, buying and selling. This country's about modern, not the past. In fact, you're a real world. Well In fact, because you don't have any past, there's buildings and trees in the UK that are older than your country. It's true, but when you ask a British person about the building or the tree they'll lie to you about it.

That's the thing about the British. They've got a past, but it's made up. I mean, I live in East London, and half of it wasn't destroyed by the Germans like the locals will tell you You know the locals from Essex will tell you what the truth is the British pull them all down because they can't stand the side of anything This more than 50 years old because they're so ashamed of it I've been lied to about the age of the building. I live in London so many times We've had so many was from the 1930s from the 1880 was from the 1930s, it's from the 1880s, it's from the 1950s, when the fuck is it? No, no, it's all been made up.

At least our history is new enough that we can't fake it. I mean, I know it should be, I mean, in Austin, there should be quite a history, but again, I think they tear everything down. And which, I mean, in a way, a lot of my British friends come here, what they like so much about it is how new and clean everything seems to be except in

San Francisco. I mean, we have a real homeless problem here that people tend to ignore and dismiss because it's the wealth, it's both the wealthiest and the poorest part of the US where I live here. There was a man walking, so in America, there are these lanes, at least in Texas, there are these lanes in the middle of the street and they're ones that are used by people that are going to turn left or right and they're like feed, feed lanes are turning lanes or something. And when I go down South La Mar in Austin, that street always has around about every 500 meters or so a homeless person walking along with a little cardboard sign. And that makes me sad. But then twice now in 10 days that I've been here, I've seen somebody who is naked, a homeless person who is naked with a sign, but only naked from the waist down. All right.

So, fully dressed up top with a bag, but then one lady who had to have a liner out and then one gentleman who was just fully swinging in the wind. And I just, I think that's hard to ignore. I don't know how you mentioned that people in San Francisco can ignore the homeless problem. It was difficult for me to ignore the ladies of a vagina. Well, that's, that's, but not the swinging penis. Thought you're, you're, you're, you're, that's just

powerful of course, you know? Yeah, of course, yeah. You know, I think that's why they're doing it because they feel ignored. And the winter's coming up. But I also, yes, in fact, I'm surprised they were just standing on your island. We call them islands. And the islands here in California, they're living and they're in the middle of the road. They're raising children. Yeah, it's, it can be very difficult. They're raising children. Yeah, it's it can be very difficult. Yes. So, um, when you're trying to make a left, when you try to make a left turn down on at least 46 or something, yeah, yeah, and there's someone that's, you know,

they're, they're, they're frying their family of five in a way. Seriously, it's, you know, when I've been in India a few times for work, and you do see people on the street there who have been living there for generations, that's their corner. Um, and it's becoming, it's on that way here in the US and it's the disparity of wealth that creates such a, such a disproportionate population. I don't, yeah, I'm a bit, it's not just a shame that I feel. I mean, of course, I feel a shame that I live in a culture and in a planet that lets that happen, but it's a confusion I have, because I'm not quite sure why I live in a place. I live very close to Silicon Columbia, basically Silicon Valley where I live. And I work and live with people who are

making millions, billions. A house just sold near us for $1.5 million over the asking price, $1.5 million over what they were asking. So that's the kind of money that you see here. So why these people can make that kind of money creating an app that allows them to get a pizza and a taxi on the way home, but which is genius, great for them. But they can't use that, you know, Harvard graduation promise of cleaning up the world to fucking fix the biggest problem that's on their doorstep, that they bitch to their families, but all the time. They lose someone's in my doorstep and they're shooting on my car, they got an evil in my, in their arm. Well, then fix it. Fix it. How about paying

your taxes? Or what I don't get is why it's, we're all part of the problem. We're, you and I are doing it right now. We're in Skype. Why were you using social media to celebrate how great each of us are to discuss our own egos on this podcast for 60 minutes, but But we don't see a Skype Opera House or a Facebook cinema or an Amazon homeless shelter heaven These companies are here because they get tax breaks. They don't pay anything You want to know none about this, but I don't understand as much as you do. The whole problem I've been through.

It certainly seems to be a little bit different in the US as it is in the UK. There's, I don't know, in the US, maybe it's because of the weather that people can't settle as much in the UK, or maybe it's that there's fewer of them, or maybe just the culture, the subculture of homeless people's different. The more I say that, you do. My husband's from Brazil. I'm from here. I'm living in London. We know that I mean I know the safety must be dismantled by that by you know BJ But I know that's happening but the meantime you at least have some There's you know behind our house in London. There's a ex prostitute

I know that because she's to chase me down this tree as I was going into my house I'm like honey you're you're barking up the wrong now seriously I don't pay for it and I don like, honey, you're barking up the wrong now, seriously. I don't pay for it, and I don't pay for pussy, especially, that's just my... But she was quite aggressive, and now she lives behind us with her husband, whatever jobs, who she married,

and she has three kids that she's raising with him. And we see that, and we know they're dealing drugs out in the kitchen window, which is like, kind of have to pay for their car, but at least they have a place to live, right? She's raising three, they might, you know, she's got a family and that I just, it's not going to happen here. You're going to lose the house because you have a medical problem.

You know, I, and you're not aware of it and you shouldn't be, you shouldn't have to be, but you've been raised in a country with free healthcare and you cannot even imagine how much lighter that makes your life when my mother died of advanced lung disease We found a stack of bills on her desk. She was dealing with insurance companies until the fucking day She fell asleep and died in her sleep Trying to pay off bills so she could breathe and if you don't have that in your life You don't just live longer. You don't lose your house. It's not just... Not having nationalized healthcare does feel very barbaric.

Coming from a country that has, you don't even think about it. I remember I went to New Orleans on a road trip a couple of years ago and the guy that did the tour was very capable. It was one of these wicken, Dracula, scary evening tour things and up here's the ghost of whatever.

And it was cool and you got to drink so it made it all seem a bit more believable. And this guy was real competent, really, really competent. Big tour company was doing it for, we tipped him at the end and we were like, oh, we want to go up some beers. He said, oh, well, I also work as a barman at this place. I'm like, hang on, so you do your tour guide of this thing and also you help the operator

and you're doing the bar, okay, cool. We'll go to the bar with you. Such a and you're doing the bar. Okay, cool. We'll go to the bar with you. It's not chatting to him. And he was talking about this conversation. And he said, if you get hit by a car, you'd better walk it off. Because if somebody calls the ambulance to come and pick you up, that can bankrupt you. That can send you into this cycle of debt that you're now stuck in.

Yeah. Yeah. And that scared me. This guy's real hardworking, you know, two, three, maybe more jobs. He was saying, I've got two cracked teeth at the back, but I'm not, I can't pay to get them fixed and I'm not going to get the insurance or whatever to do the thing. I'm like, this is fucking medieval shit. What's going on?

Yes. And then it, and that continues continues like you said, you know until Maybe he interests himself a friend of mine is a psychiatrist and a Kaiser hospital, which is a huge local hospital and he's dealing with people with drug addiction And these people have jobs that can't quit So he tries to get them off the heroin and the crystal. And they've been taking pain medication, some of them, their entire adult lives because they injured when they were at university playing sport or something.

And they can't stop working. They can't take a week or two or four, or they can't go to rehab, they lose their jobs, they lose their house. It's really vicious, you know. I mean, as in my husband, I were so lucky because we are caught up in any of this cycle. Is that fundamentally fueled by the medical problem? Where does this come from? Because, you know, outside of that,

I don't see why America is any more expensive of a place to live than anywhere else. Right. I mean, I think that's, it's a complicated situation where people, we're certain languages used to discourage people from socialized health care like the word socialism I don't know why scares a lot of people here Although they get to social security checks every month, but they don't understand the similarity or the difference And I think that people are worried about that you know, we've heard about death panels or hospitals aside whether or not you live or die

panels where hospitals decide whether or not you live or die. It frankly does happen in the UK sometimes, but it's not a common occurrence. And if people here would just look at the way the pandemic's been handled by the LHS, how brilliant they've handled, how they saved Boris Johnson's fucking political career, what upsets me though is not just that too. It's education. I mean, it just feels like here at S&I, notice there's a lack of empathy in the US. There just is.

There just is. And I mean yes nationally. You see it on television. You see it in the way people are dealt with socially here locally. You see it in our political system nationally and locally. There is a feeling of you need to look after yourself and take care of yourself.

And when we're in France, I had to live in Italy for a while to get my my citizenship taking care of. When we're living in, when we, when I stay in Australia for long periods working, I don't sense it there. I feel like the people I know live here and work here do so because they want to make money. And if you're not a part of that vicious cycle then get out. If you're not in the economic engine, yeah, I think one thing that I've definitely noticed is that Americans need far less or at least the Americans that I've been around need far less of an excuse to treat themselves or to enjoy themselves. I think I'm seeing much

less of a pure and work ethic over here. So you want to go out in an evening time, you go up some food or whatever. Someone doesn't have to earn the right to be able to go and do that. Now that may be because I'm from quite a working class, salt of the earth place in the UK, and Austin is kind of every other person is a crypto millionaire that I meet. Yeah. Fucking decentralized, yeah, musician that does psychedelics on a weekend and somehow sold their company for so maybe that maybe it doesn't matter. But it definitely feels like there's more of a leisure culture here.

You know, people just say what you're doing at 2pm, we're going out on the boat or some shit. Like that's not the sort of thing that you would see in the UK. Yeah, there's definitely an idea. It depends on where you live for sure, but there's a feeling here that people do, I think that's why the pandemic,

people struggle so much, because I mean, our friends don't cook. Everybody goes out to dinner, at least five minutes a week. People go out a lot, and I think they work hard, and then they like to play hard. And in fact, some young people just move to the building

across the street from us, too, you know, so we can see their entire lives, because they didn't bother buying curtains, but they party so much. And that's really great for them, maybe a result of them being cooped up for 18 months, but also there's a feeling of life moving quickly forward that we really feel when we're here.

We feel like our lives in London really slowed down when we were there, especially over the last two years, but definitely because yeah, we feel like there's a lot more. People just go to a pub in the UK and they talk and they They hang out and there's less of a feeling of having you be impressed There's something I mean my husband's Brazilian. He doesn't want to talk about people's income He's totally embarrassed when we go to functions here because people go Oh, it's about how important they are and they it's it's really it's I don't know I think people want to feel when they're here as if they're on the forefront. We are in a place Again, Silicon Valley where lots being created. There's there's more wealth being generated here

The Bay Area than in any other place in the history of the world So we're living in there. So I still got that sort of frontier mentality But definitely but also because of what's happening right now But California's always been a gold rush state. Things go up and down. I think maybe people here are a bit paranoid and freaked out and aware of that. And everyone knows a lot of people know that there's one paycheck away from being homeless themselves.

And the kind of stress that that creates amongst people. You know, I think people here feel trapped. And what I mean is they're in a job where they're making a quarter million at Oracle to create a nap. And there's a team down the hall creating that same app. And if you fuck up, you're fired. And then you, they don't just punish you, they fire you.

That's the contract you signed with Satan, it runs Oracle. So now you're living out of your car in a beachfront community, where all you can afford is to eat a cup of coffee in the morning. And you didn't know what you're gonna do to kids kids and you think, oh, you'll be welcome back into the social media community soon. You'll get it, but you're never welcome back. You

lost the data. You're out. Get the fuck out. We don't even really want tourists here because we can't afford them. We can't afford you because we're paying for the homeless. They cost a lot. You cost more protecting you from people stealing your car or banging down the window of the hotel you stay in and taking all your luggage. All this shit's happening right now. So we can't afford our visitors. Stay out, get out, don't come back. We don't want your dollars.

We're making money. I will do my best. I want to talk about, I spoke to Douglas Murray about this a while ago, about the internal politics of the LGBT group, right? And even calling it a group is kind of dumb. What Douglas brought up, and I'll keep on having this conversation, because Austin's quite progressive, right?

And there's a bunch of different people in there. The fact that the Ls and the Gs actually have nothing in common. Like they genuinely, there is nothing that those two groups have. Everyone in Douglas's words is a bit suspicious of the Bs. They're not really too sure what they're doing there. They don't really know, they feel like they're L's or G's

that haven't really committed. And then the T's in Douglas's words are just working against everyone. So has the last time that I spoke about this was maybe two years ago, 18 months ago, has anything changed over the last 18 months? Well, we've added the eyes and the cues. What's the eyes?

Intersexual. What's that? I don't mean. And we've added the, I think it means here, whatever you say you are. Okay, so that's to do with gender expression. And then what's the cues? A questioning. I thought it stood for queer.

No, you're not meant to say that word at all. That's not for you. That's like dropping me in mom. That's for us to say. Okay. Unless you want to whisper in the game, I'm sitting in line for drinking to go home. You can do that.

As a question. Yeah, or hey, queer get out of my way. He'd be like, hmm. Yes. And then then to plus. Don't forget the plus at the end of the day. Everything else. Because we're desperate for conversation. Just dump the plus at the end. Everything else.

Because we're a desperate for conversation. Just dump any shit on the pilot. We'll take it. We'll take anybody, right? We're trying to expand. We're branching out. Yes, I think it's all meant to seem inclusive. But there's two kinds of inclusive in my head.

There's an inclusive where you don't all agree, and that's OK, like a table full of feminists where they are true feminists believe there's a seat for everyone at that table. Or there's inclusive where you aren't really which is these people who are attacking someone like the woman who wrote those books for children where they have dragons and not you need blatant. No the other one. Yeah, her too, but that was a race thing, right? Yeah, the Harry Potter stuff. The Oh, JK rolling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, who expressed her opinion, which is just her idea and that she got death threats.

So that's meant to be an inclusive part of a society, which is an inclusive dog. And I think when you're trying to, it's like the US, it's too big. I think the LGBTQ plus communities too large. I think you're right. I think when a lot of queer is it's like the US, it's too big. I think the LGBTQ plus community is too large. I think you're right. I think when a lot of queers dropped ad from AIDS in the 80s, and the dikes were like, we're going to take over the gay pride event in San Francisco because we can do it better. A lot of queers are like, you know what, maybe you can, because we're busy trying to count our T-cells.

So go for it. So you can do that. And that's why they took the lead in the parade on their bikes. Now it's dikes with bikes for the parade, but fine. The queers couldn't walk anymore anyway. They fucking, they couldn't move. They were dying. So, and they did pretty well, although what happened

with the gay pride events, it was out of all of our hands anyway. It became commercialized. So now, everything's so accepted. And people bring their little meatloafs and baby carriages. Look at our babies, and we're buying beers, we're head of resexuals, we support co-res, now it's all about product placement, which is what it was going to become anyway. And that brings our community together, which is buying and selling. Commercializing it. So it's not a community based on, you

know, community, community political thought or us banding together to save a group or making things better for certain people. Now it's just about us showing off for a gap ad, which is I think what it sends people the most. I mean, no one believes it bisexual anyway, but a bisexual and Levi's is even less impressive than sorry, a queer with AIDS. We were more politically savvy and powerful when we were dying.

And now that we're living, we're selling Coca-Cola and soap like everybody else. So I agree with you. I think the LGBTQ plus is no longer necessary. I just don't think it is. I think gay people are still marginalized in certain communities. I think they are.

In certain communities in the UK, believe me on the comedy circuit, I don't always feel safe purely because of my sexuality. But what do you mean when you say safe? I don't feel like walking back to my hotel room, but on my own is necessarily good idea when I'm in stoke on trend. I just don't. But that might also be because of my accent. And in fact, the first thing I have to do to out myself that I'm on a comedy stage anywhere in the world is explain why I'm American and I'm still allowed to tell jokes. Because being American just would offend people.

I don't find an audience that I haven't in a long time who's offended by the gay thing. It happens so infrequently, but what really gets people going is my accent. Ooh, they get antsy and antsy about that. That's what I first stepped to deal with. So Yeah, I'm not really worried about the gay thing anymore and I feel like you're right. The lesbian gay community probably never had that much in common anyway. Although I have to say During the AIDS crisis the lesbians were really there. They really they really stepped up They stepped up in terms of volunteering, tearing a lot,

because I worked in a lot of volunteer communities in terms of scale. Like the AIDS quilt, for example, the lesbians really did a lot of admin on that, really a lot of admin, because they were prepared and they were healthy, and they... Administratively minded.

They were, you said it, and they were valuable to gay men and really helpful. So in that way, that community bonded together, but again, they came together because of a virus. So maybe we should put the idea that we're all the same aside until we're in a common battle with something else. Hmm. There was a, speaking about JK Rowling, do you see that she had a photo taken outside of a house recently?

You see this? Yeah, I read about it. Yeah, JK Rowling has accused three people who campaign on transgender matters of posting a photo of her Edinburgh address on Twitter. The author, who had been criticized for reviews on trans issues, reported the matter to police. Police Scotland said they had been made aware and inquiries were ongoing. In an out deleted social media post, one of the groups said the photo had been removed reported the matter to police, police Scotland said they had made, been made aware and inquiries were ongoing.

And in an out deleted social media post, one of the groups said the photo had been removed after they'd received threatening messages online in her own Twitter thread. Rolling said that the image depicted three activists in front of her home, carefully positioning themselves to ensure that the address was visible. Yes. So it's guerrilla warfare, I think. And I think that she's probably got a security system looking after her now, she didn't already.

Madness that you don't already. I mean, the woman's worth... Emperor. An unlimited amount of money. And that's probably why she felt she needed one anyway, and now she's probably even more terrified. I mean, you know, the thing is, I'm not going to take a stance on what she said. I think she's...

Her opinions are valuable, they're said. I think her opinions are valuable. They're hers. I don't care. I still don't, I've never read her books. I'm sure she's a lovely person. But you don't want to know what your favorite author or actress or thinks. When I read a strike in the review, I was like, oh my God.

She's added for fucking mind. How have I been obsessed with her music for so long? Barbara Streisand has a museum below her house in Malibu. I'll repeat this, a museum of herself, below her house. This is documented. There's been a play written about it on Broadway. When you go to her house, she might take you on a tour below her house of the cellar, of all her awards and things about herself. She's out of her gourd when she talks about herself. She doesn't the third person. She's crazy, but she's Barbara.

So I ignore all that. Right? If you read about certain actors, they're anti-Semitic. I remember reading about an actor I will mention here who I fucking love an American actor. I watched all of his films and he said in a quote that the Jews run Hollywood. So it's like, well, I guess I can't watch your movies anymore.

But I do. I mean, you know, any Murphy was a famous homophob in his first video that went on all his awards. The things he said about Game and War Robo, then I met him when I lived in L.A. waiting table, student room service. I room service to Mount Academy Award night three years in a row because he wouldn't go to the Academy Awards. He'd watch him in his hotel room. He's five foot four. He sits on a stool and he's clearly homosexual. He's a little gay and type of a job out of 25 that hit on me relentlessly. But I did the room service because it's Eddie fucking Murphy. It's complicated, isn't it? He's a brilliant comedian. There are certain things

about people that make it interesting and is that makes it interesting? You've also got to sometimes ignore that. This is the problem that we've got with social media facilitating everyone to have an opinion and also everyone to share that opinion. Yeah, previously, previously you had to work, to be able to get a platform of the size where even if you were an author, you know, if you wanted to talk about your either well informed or ill informed opinion on whatever it was, you still needed to find an outlet, it was through a newspaper or on TV or whatever.

Whereas now the brain to fingers filter has been completely removed and millions and millions of people all over the globe can see within seconds what your brain just farted out and then you decide to put it out there. The world isn't meant to consume everyone's inner most monologue in real time 24 hours a day. Yes, it's true. And I think that it makes people braver too, to shout and yell. And it makes them feel like they have a bit of power when they felt so powerless or so long. There's that too. And everyone's the star of

their own video, their own, their own all the Facebook, Instagram, whatever, and they're making moves about themselves all the time, TikTok. I mean, and their movie, their little video mic it, you know, 8 million hits and they feel like they feel like now they have the power to say and feel what they want. You know, live. Yeah, I mean, in a way, I thought that the internet has a progress with bigger lives easier, but it's made it in fact more confrontational. The problem is, I think that we, we very quickly went from a scarcity of information to a surplus of information in the space of probably 10 years. So I think the optimal amount of information

that we had on the internet was maybe like 2011 or something there and then very, very, very quickly. You went from needing to be able to be good at finding information on the internet to being able to be good at discerning signal from noise on the internet. The best people, the smartest people that I know now are the most discerning ones, not the ones that go the deepest.

They're the ones that are able to cut through all of the bullshit. Whereas yeah, 10 years ago, when we had that one day, whatever it was, the middle of November in 2011, that was when we had the right amount of information. It was, but I thought it was always going to be about shopping. I never thought I would become more than that. I just thought it'd be about finding items online and purchasing them, because I have collectibles. I will show you, my husband, oh, hates them so much.

In fact, I was just shopping for a mid-century ceramic coffee or an online before you and I spoke. In fact, you interrupted that, which business? I'm sorry. It's right. I found one though. But I thought that's what the internet was going to be. It would never be about. Because I thought people like I thought people that were looking for mission, life's research and

reading. It doesn't turns out nobody does. As it turns out, everyone wants things inactive, preferably current like live images. I've seen so many images live, not live, obviously the film of that car hitting those poor people in Wisconsin. Yep. Who wants to watch that image? Apparently, people want to watch, you know, a journalist had his head cut off in the Middle East. People want to see it. Outrage porn, isn't it? There's the, I don't know. So here's one thing that I've been thinking about since I've been out here. So Austin's got a big psychedelic culture, right?

Which is people trying to connect, as much as you can talk about, like, hippy-dippy bullshit, they're trying to connect with two emotions that I think we're really missing, which is awe and dread. We don't often actually get to experience all and dread anymore. And I wonder whether seeing a feeling indignation is kind of like an alternative for that. Like I can't believe this happened. It's it's shock, it's outrage, it's indignation. I'm wondering whether people are supplanting what previously the night sky and some pretty

nature would have done for us to make us feel small and insignificant or perhaps a trip to church on a Sunday to, you know, feel like we are connected with the wider universe. I wonder whether that takes some of the same boxes. I'm not sure. So you think social media is the new Jesus a little bit? I think that what it facilitates is outrageous videos that people can't believe have happened. And that emotion, indignation's not far away from dread. And all I don't think. When you see something that's completely shocking, and I wonder how much that's supplanted it.

Like did they put one nail through this feet or two? And people just, they can't imagine, and they get somehow turned on by it at the same point of being horrified by it. can't imagine and it gets somehow turned on by it at the same point of being horrified by it. You know, I really feel like, because I still do, I'm a dinosaur, so I still make my living in hospitality, life performance really. I'm a babysitter as a STEM comic. And I really feel when I'm on stage, like people expect something so vivid and aggressive, not from comedy,

though when they don't get it, they're disappointed. And I think that's been driven by what you're describing. How do you mean vivid and aggressive? I have people say to me, because I just did a weekend at a mainstream club, I did five shows and three nights, our long sets. And I had people asking me to cover certain subject matter. I'm not going to cover onstage. I'm not going to talk about that onstage.

I mean, I don't have boundaries about material. I'll talk about anything really. But people were like, oh, you didn't push that far enough. You talked about that, but you didn't push it far enough. Like, you know, and it's like, look, everything goes to the Nth degree now so quickly. Every subject becomes explosive really quickly. Like, you know, that woman who used to be fat, who's been fat in the British one. Adel. Yeah, the Jimmy Sweep, who can, with five ranges.

She, um, she was here with Oprah. And Oprah kept trying to go to her and she's like look I can't I've lost a bit of weight Oprah's like you've let so many people down so many people are sad They're suicidal because they're fat. You're not anymore. That's like Oprah Jesus reign it in and she kept Raining Oprah in saying look. I've got to make a living. I've got to deal with my own shifts She was very funny. I think. And live past 70 as well, hopefully. And she was very, it's just, you know what? Part of the reason why I started going to the UK 25 years ago to

do stand up was because the culture is less, less, this is vicious, less savage than the US culture. If you're not the state there, I didn't feel like, I mean, I felt, I came out in my first show I did there in Edinburgh, but it wasn't necessary for one thing, look at me. But also, the audience, if you have tales and a horn, they don't care, just be funny. The British, they're not impressed or depressed by any of that. I mean, like I said, I don't feel always safe in certain environments when I'm in the UK, but that has very little to do with my being on stage.

And I've always felt here, like I lived in an explosive situation, and people want comedies to figure shit out for them sometimes. And now you've got less time to figure stuff out on stage. People, they want it now, they want it faster, they want it more aggressive, they want it more brutal, they want it now, they want it faster, they want it more aggressive, they want it more brutal, they want it louder. Even the fact that comedy has become such a big business, and you see comics performing in 10,000 sea arenas with the head mic on screening in people for an hour, it's just become, everything's become, like I said, ends degree. And the argument is no longer, like, I used to feel like, one

of the reasons why I preferred performing here in the US in a way sometimes, was I felt like I could have more, more of an extended conversation about race and politics here. But I don't feel that anymore here. I don't feel that. Do you not think that immediately anyone who looks remotely talented or has a platform gets co-opted into trying to take a stand on something? So, for instance, we had the Laurel Hubbard, who was the New Zealand transgender waitlifter who competed at the Olympics, and the other three women, I think it's the three women that she was competing with

for the most likely a podium were asked in, or it may have been afterward, ask the press conference, what do you think? Obviously, this is an incredibly unique opportunity or witnessing history unfold, and there's a nine second pause. And then one of the girls just leans forward, presses the button to activate her mic and goes, no thank you. And just send some mic off. And that, that to me, was really reassuring because you think these people are good at

lifting heavy things from the ground to over their head. They're not, this isn't their role. Stop looking at these fucking athletes, like that's supposed to be. I understand, I understand that if you are in a position of social gravitas, if you have talent that you can use your platform in order to help push forward a particular narrative because you have reach and people respect what you do.

But that should be the anomalous case of the person who happens to, you know, the Cassius Clay deciding not to go to Vietnam thing, right? Like that, that's an anomaly from history. That's why it was so interesting. It shouldn't be that every fucking person with more than 10,000 followers on some social media is now a platform.

And the reason for this is that every political party is trying to pick up whatever 0.001% of influence that they can and just co-opped everybody in. Yes, this person decides to stand with us or stand against us. Right. Well, I blame, you know, I blame Pontch's pilot in a way because he created Jesus

into the first social media figure because Mary sold her son out because she wanted to be famous as well. So it all happened then and people are still paralleling their lives to that. They still think I can win. You know, I agree with you. I mean, I think the comedians go on Twitter and try to fight a political opinion. It's like, just write a joke about it. You're not a political.

That's your outlet. Your outlet is to make this funny and do it in a show. Use your voice as a comic. But everything's a talent contest now. And for a lot of people that are wondering how they're going to make a living or get famous or be rich. If they do a shocking video, that'll do. There you go.

Have you, you might have missed this because you don't strike me as a Joe Rogan listener, but Joe Rogan had Snoop Dogg on his show a couple of days ago. And he brought up that one of the reasons he thinks that they are getting people to focus on race is the fact that it'll distract us from the fact that class is the real problem. Of course, it always has been. I mean, you know, Britain hides it better by, didn't I exist, but there's an ingrained class system there that the US is embarrassed by, because we try to break away from it when we left, and it's even more here.

And here it seems based, externally, you think it's based on income, but it's not. There's an opaque one percent in this country that not only will I never meet, I'll never even know who they are. And they're running everything. So, yeah, there's a system here that it seems to create a group of people that really have no, again, we talked about this, they have no empathy, they have no reason to feel, you know, if you've been watching succession, I know it's not a documentary, but I've worked for rich people many times for very, very wealthy people, and they're fucking miserable, and they take it out on each other. And my family has a bit of money based on investment and property. And the way my family treats one another is not that's a similar from what you're watching

on TV. There's a lot of suspicion and threat because no one wants to be knocked down a peg. No one wants to go down a peg. And man, it's just here. Oh, there's so much. And so many of my friends identified as homophobia in the US still, it's not when when people you know they're in positions of power to you that way. It's class because they think if you've identified yourself in a subculture like the LGBT community in this country, that's because you're a loser And what they mean is that they themselves might suck off as a guy, but they don't but they would never identify as being gay

Because they don't see themselves as politically motivated by that community and They're winners. They've been told their winners their whole life They went to Yale them to graduate school. They have a PhD. They teach a Stanford. They've got a wife They their whole life. They went to Yale, they went to graduate school, they went to PhD, they teach a Stanford, they got a wife, they got kids, because that's what a winner looks like. And to be gay, to not have those things to have your power reduced at that level, even and especially the educational level, the higher education level in this country, makes you a loser. It's a class system.

It's not about being queer. It's about being a winner. And if you have black skin, it's not your fault, but it identifies you in a certain way. And people associate things with you. Which may be more media-driven than anything else. But again, it's not about race. It's about whether you're at the top or bottom.

Literally. Did you see that the women's march group sent out an email with the average number of donations recently and the number was unfortunate? You see this? Well, what do you mean? I'm forced to. Women's march group sent out an email with average donations and apologized

for including 1492 in there. We apologized deeply for the email that was sent today. 1492 was our average donation amount this week It was an oversight on our part to not make the connection to a year of colonization Conquest and genocide for indigenous people Especially before Thanksgiving It's not even the proper year. They're reading that from from crappy history book from their elementary school. It's a different year It's all made up.

Yes hilarious go that's funny. That was supposed to be the year that Christopher Columbus had stepped on American soil. He did yeah. He just that year. Or so he said who knows. 1492 so that number itself the the average amount of donations was problematic. Yes and he might have been another part of not the US but in America before that. Other people were, anyway, yes. That's a more feeling bad about that. This is what I mean. comedians don't have to be non-funny about this stuff or politically motivated in some correct way. There's so much material. That's one great thing about all this. That's why I mistrump a little bit. There's so many jokes in all this. I mean, if you're not writing material about this, then you are a loser. I mean, if you are avoiding this stuff on stage, it's one thing I like about Rogan. You know, I've only worked with him once. Again, I was doing a weekend here in the city at the same club I discussed earlier,

and he was popping in and he wanted to do his own show. So we closed my show and at midnight, he went on that same stage because it's such a popular club, and did his own set, and I watched him. and I was impressed how fucking intelligent he is live. And I wish I wish he trusted himself enough on his own show, not that I listened to every podcast, but I have listened to it. And I feel like he dilutes it a little bit, maybe just on the ones I heard. But he is a brainiac, he is. And I do like that he covers current subject matter in his sets and that he's funny about them he may not agree with what he says he may have his politics whatever

all these people getting angry about recent comedy shawneethlicks where the comedian went on about lgbt rights and trans rights people just fucking lost her some quit their job protest well well well over ship hell well, well, well, well, over Shepel said, I watched it, it's Shepel. He pushes the buttons, he does what Shepel does. I wasn't offended in any way by what he said about the LGD. In fact, I thought

he says I'm brilliant about gay, you know, gay people are liberal until they're white, which is true. Can gay people be racist? Yes, they can. We have a whole racist subculture in the LGBT community that I won't go on about right now. But a lot of guys, are you a rice queen? Are you a sticky rice queen? Are you a brown rice queen? Are you a ginger queen?

All these terms meaning skin color about who you're fucking. So yeah, gay people can be racist, if you're wondering. And he covered it. A lot of gay comics wouldn't go near that, and they're like, they wouldn't be brave enough. We have to wait till she pal does it, right? And then complain about it.

You know, I feel bad like Andrew said, Andrew Doyle, who's your friend of ours, for all those people who had a gun held to their heads and made to watch that set on Netflix. You don't have to watch it. Change the channel. Turn it off. No one cares about your fucking opinion about it.

You know, if you're offended, you're good. People are offended by comedy all the time. That's because it works. They're just ideas. They're not gonna hurt you. Didn't you get, you got in some trouble on Australian TV for doing something? Didn't you get canceled from Australian TV?

Or did you? Basically never been invited back because of that. The entire country of Australia has a problem with you. There's a myth about it now too. There's whole memes about it and there's sayings, don't coopero me on this. You're not gonna coopero us, are you? Meaning you're not gonna go on TV

and do a different set than you promised, right? You're not gonna get people fired from this network. You're not gonna, so the story is that I told jokes about raping the Virgin Mary. Yeah, I didn't tell those jokes Do you have any because if you have them and they're good, I'll tell them don't have them What I talked about was Christ being on the cross and forgetting his say for is what I talked about But they had seen my scripted set

And they had denied me a rehearsal. I won't defend myself in this. I don't have to But what they did was change the story after my set came out live on TV to defend themselves. Now at the time, this is long, this is 20 years ago, I would have used it to push the shelf forward. That's what I would have done. Let's run with this. But they were cowards and didn't know how to do that. The festival of Melbourne, my management in London, coward, so what they thought public opinion was. The festival of Melbourne, my management, Melundin, coward, what they thought public opinion was. As it turned out, people thought it was hilarious. We'd seen it, but they worried people got fired in the network. I heard. And it became, it became

a negative thing, which is now, if it happened, because of social media, I'd be huge because of that. It would have had me, I would have toured the world at the time. And because the Australians, honestly, in media, are a bit old, because they really were that. It's like, why is the gay man in the room the smartest one with all the power? How did that happen? It's also complicated too, because the show's host was a plot famously in Clause of Case and didn't want his image soiled or associated with, in any way, the gay community. There was a lot of shit going on.

That's something that I've noticed. I did a talk at the start of the year and partway through it. There was a couple of emails that got sent to the group that were organizing it that said, have you seen this? Have you seen what Chris has been talking about? And it was a link to a trailer on my Instagram

of me in Douglas Murray. And Douglas was talking about the Chaz chop autonomous zone and saying, just being Douglas, right, talking about it. I don't talk throughout the entire trailer. I don't say anything, but I do laugh. And they said that this laugh is, we're taking this laugh as the fact that he is agreeing. This is a signal that he's agreeing with what Douglas says.

Are you really inviting this person? So when that happened, first off, this is the indignation, right? You think this is absolutely insane. But you know, Douglas's point to his own, I was laughing at Smash. It's a trailer from eight months ago. The only reason that this would have been sent in

by multiple people, remembering it's a really old trailer is if it's a coordination on their part to get multiple people to send it in, so on and so forth. But for a moment, I saw in that situation, oh, this could be my thing. This could be cancelled for a laugh. This could be, this is how I could get myself on a tucker cals. This is how I could get myself, you know, you do the tour off the back of it, you get the right people to retweet it, and you notice this, the opportunity arises,

and this could be my evergreen state for Brett Weinstein on my Bill C16 for Jordan Peterson, something innocuous that ends up blowing up in somebody's face. And that, that, like I didn't follow through with it, they said, look, don't antagonize anyone, don't reply on Twitter, I was sure enough the whole thing dissipated one away.

Did the talk, it's absolutely fine. But for a moment, I saw in the less gracious part of my nature, a bit rise up and say, this could be the beginning now. And the same way that we have perverse incentives, I think, for potentially some people that are involved in cases, as jurors or as judges or as whatever the lawyers, I think that you have this with cancellation now, that some people almost go out of their way. Like, cancellation is the new love island.

If you manage to get cancelled somewhere, not sufficiently bad that the public hates you, but bad enough to garner a little bit of attention, that's your springboard to a career. As long as you're in a kitty fiddling, anything else, people will come out and see you. I think. And yeah, I think it's the only way to sell papers now to put bad news in the front of them. And bad news becomes good because suddenly you recognize that. They've said for a long time, right? Any publicity is good publicity. I think Harvey Firestein was criticized for saying that decades ago during the AIDS crisis, that any publicity for gay man is good because it gets

us out there and makes us more real. I think it was Harvey. But either way, that's I think always been the case. And now it doesn't take a media facility like a newspaper or a network to promote it. You can do it out of your home. I just feel like though, he laughed, how dare he. It's all right. It makes odd. I just did a show at a very kind of upscale kind of area on Saturday night, the wine country here, and it was sort of, and a beautiful little room,

a tasting room, and I do comedy show there, the staff are great, very supportive. But the audience were just so clammed. Oh, like a lot of varied. The whole room was white, except for one black guy. He was enjoying it. But the restroom were a lot of like 20 to 35 year old white women with their arms crossed. Just very anxious about just about everything I sell on stage. Now I've been doing this for quite a while. And if you pay to come see me, you kind of know what you're in for. I mean, I'm just surprised. It's the same old shit rehashed every fucking time I quite a while. And if you pay to come see me, you kind of know what you're in for. I mean, I'm just surprised. It's the same old shit rehashed every fucking I'm a son.

That's my hack. So, but they're getting more, it's just more about everything, which makes me poke and prod. And the more they restrict, the more I push. So at the end, a bunch of people, we really enjoyed it. I said, you might refut that in your response next time then.

And I might think about coming back because I'm not here to be your sounding board. And see if it's okay if you laugh at this and then laugh at it in the car on the way home. I don't want to be a part of that conversation. I want the conversation in the room. But one thing that I find with all that's going on around this with social media and people being terrified of being caught on camera responding, like you just said, is that immediate response is stifled. So I'm terrified about people not actually telling you what they think.

It really fucking freaks me out. Oh, so they've got a public persona and a private persona. And to think that you're gonna leave the room and that suddenly what people actually think about you is gonna be voiced. I fucking hate that. It's why I never talk negatively about comedians, people I work with. There's no point in it anyway, so I can get you anywhere.

But I do, if I feel badly about somebody, I'll just tell them. I never want to be that person in the room that becomes kind of, you know, a burden. Oh, it's fucking freaks me out. So he's an interesting element of that from my industry, which is nightlife. And when I first started doing club nights and my first ever event was a big bar crawl where people would buy a t-shirt and your t-shirt was your ticket. And there was tasks on the back like pull a pig, get off with three randoms, down a drink with somebody that you don't know, like get a piggyback from one venue to another,

blah, blah, blah. And people used to write on the inside of their arms the first half of the alphabet and the second half of the alphabet. And you have to tick on the inside of their arms the first half of the alphabet and the second half of the alphabet and you have to tick off the letters of the first name of the person that you'd kissed and you know you're running around at the end of the night trying to find a Zara or something. And I wondered, I never thought about it, I had a conversation with a buddy who did the same thing as me, the same franchise, but down south, we said, where's that culture gone? Where's that kind of sloppy, very, very casual, transactional, physical relationship shit gone for 18 to 21 year olds, specifically in the UK, but maybe in the US as well. And he said his idea was that because of the advent of smartphones, no one can ever do anything in public

that's private anymore. You can never get off, you can never pull a pig on a bar crawl without five videos of that now haunting you for the remainder of your days. That's going to be with you. If you decide to do something and that's caused people to have far more scruples about how they behave publicly, that was his idea. And that, I don't know if it's true, but it fucking makes a lot of sense. It does.

I think no one can wake up and say, don't remember what happened last night anymore. Because civil and whole for camera, if you see this is going to happen. This is exactly what happened, yeah, exactly. So you can't have a hangover, forget about it. And I think, you know, that makes people, like this, this, this trial that's going on,

right down the US about this African American man who's hunted down by two white guys and birds in the street. They don't just have witnesses, because witnesses are tricky. Trials can never really trust witnesses, because people see all sorts of things differently. But a lot of it's on film. So the guys themselves filmed it. It's why Hitler's still with us. The big H is still so popular. Because it was really the first kind of fascist revival, but really the first

international battle that was filmed. The wars before that were not so sure, but Hitler put everything on cinema. And that's why he's still such a big draw, I think. And so people see all that and think, you know, I got to, I got to keep my job. And they can't keep my job if they see me to you describe. Because so much of it can be like also what you said, can be perceived as less casual, less fun and flirtatious, but you can perceive it as being misogynistic or racist. So you gotta be careful. You've always opened like that, right?

I mean, no one can say, I mean, there are so many things that people feel they can't reveal about themselves because it might be seen as a preference, which is racism, right? If ever preference, you're racist right away. So you gotta be careful. I mean, I don't have these boundaries in the way that I work and what I do on staves. But I certainly don't, there's a few things I won't say anymore. I never thought I'd say that, but it's true. Why?

It's only for too long. Well, I don't drop the unbomb on stage anymore. I used to, and there's a purpose behind it, and I don't drop the pee bomb anymore. Because you'll just lose them for too long before you could lose them for about 30 seconds and then they recover. And I could manage that. But now they'll just completely stop listening. So there's no point.

Talking about Rogan, he's got a new bit in his standup show where he's talking about why he'll still use the word retard, but you won't use the N word. And he's talking about it for ages and going back and forth. And what is it about the word retard that means that you will say it and about the N word that means that you won't? He says it's because I'm a lot more scared of black people than I am of retards. It's a great lie. Yeah.

It's so wrong. I'm talking about right now why my husband wants to keep, he talks about having children all the time and I talk about how I only want to down, I only want to down if I'm going to get an all into being down. And so I think I escaped using a retard in method because if I do the empathy I'm trying to put forward I lose it. But if you have a good joke about look, when I teach a comedy course I do in London sometimes in a stup Newietin. When I try to find funny people in that area, comedy course to them, the course of them. I do ask them, and I've been told to do this by other comments. One good challenge is to ask them to write a rape joke.

First thing that you do, write a rape joke, because they're hard to write. But if you learn to write a good one, that's great. I've got about 30 in my act, and I still tell them, but because they're good. And I got to kill time. But I'm not gonna kill rape, because it's a money maker. And if you can write a brilliant one great

And there is still an audience that wants to laugh and there's still an audience that wants to write those letters on the arms And there's still an audience that wants to have a couple of drinks and do something they can forget about and that's I think the majority of us and when I talk to people in Britain or audience members When they stay after and chat with them, I'm relieved and it res- Rilat, it- it- I find it restorative for what I do. Because they just want to have a good time. You know, but there's so many reasons for me to be nervous about performing in front of, say, um, Army and Navy guys who go to the comedy store a lot in London

on their time off. Because the Army and the Navy and the UK and the US had this image of how they are, right? Which might not be inviting to someone like me. Not just gay, but American, and a flamboyant, and flirty on stage, and dirty, and unnecessary, you know, nauseating. But when I talk to those guys after, they're like, you are perfect. We love to have you so many times.

We would love to. I'm like, even if they might accent, they're like, we love Americans. And the Americans soldier show up at the party. You would kill and create. You would kill and serve as you. But then I call these companies to book me. And they just will not.

They won't want to. They don't want Americans. They don't want K-Men. They don't want some of my A's. They don't want someone. They don't want K-Man. They don't want some of my A's. They don't want someone white. There's so many reasons to not book me. And if I only talked to industry people in my business, I would quit. But the audience is great. gay man's a new white man. That's the problem.

Well, I think the gay thing is now normalized. And that's why I can't get away get away with as much as far as people concerned on stage because we're not not any anymore. Yeah, that's like you. Yeah, well Douglass had this bit from the madness of crowds where he said, you know that your minority has been completely assimilated into a culture when you have to put up with the same level of shit of everybody else. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I mean, believe me, the stuff I used to get away from on stage, it's more difficult now, which makes it more appealing to me, like how to find a way. Because that's always been the challenge of standup

is to be relevant. And it doesn't mean because you're older that you can't be. And I don't think an audience thinks when I walk on stage, you'll be so old, I don't want to listen to this. It's not a couple of young people might think, he's a dinosaur, but I don't think they do. I think, again, they just want to join themselves.

So it's up to us to make our language accessible, but that's always in the case, to make a story from a stranger, makes sense in front of a roomful of strangers. So that's what we have to do. When comics complain, oh, there are two donnies, there's just a woke, we're being canceled, or you can't say, it's like, no, no, no, no, no.

You need to find a way to make your act accessible. They've paid. It's not their job to dissect your act to make it funny. That's up to you. So. Scott Kapura, ladies and gentlemen, if people want to keep up to date with whatever you're doing or harass you online, where should they go? My website, it's all about me, me, me. So all the information's there. It's just my name, scup Kapura.com. Listen, thanks for calling. It's great to see, me, me. So all the information's there. It's just my name, scupperro.com. Listen, thanks for calling. It's great to see you. I know.

Wait, Austin, it's been really fun to do this. I forgot that we were doing it. And then I remember how much I wanted to. And now I'm really glad we did. Me too, man. Me too. When are you back in the UK? Are you back anytime soon?

January 19th. My husband's craving to get back. He is so sick of this country. Yeah, so we're gonna, yeah, January 19th. But I'll see you there. Yes, you will do. And thanksgiving, interesting, thanksgiving tomorrow. Well, thank you, too.

Are you stuffing anything? Or are you gonna be waving? Oh, come on, we've managed to, we've managed to, are you cooking anything? No, of course not. Of course, I'm just, yeah, I'm just, I'm turning up. I'm the, I don't know what I am. I'm the token Brit at the table. Don't you want to learn how to cook turkey and so fun? It's a bit, you feel like you're doing it. Are you doing it tomorrow?

Oh, you're so easy to do. You make this stuffing in 10 minutes. You shove it in. You put it in the oven and you leave it. You don't, you never open the oven again. And four hours later, it pops out and people are so impressed. You've done almost nothing. It's great. I'll have to read. I'll FaceTime you tomorrow if I'm struggling. All right. Let me know. Catch you later on screen. Great, very sauce. All right, then. Have a great one. Thank you. Let's see you.

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