Modern Wisdom - #415 - Leo Kearse - JK Rowling, Trans Athletes & Blackfishing

Episode Date: December 27, 2021

Leo Kearse is a comedian, writer and a YouTuber. I brought Leo on to discuss the most important news stories of the last few weeks. Real hard hitting stuff today like why JK Rowling has been written out of the new Fantastic Beasts trailer, how Sainsbury's are signalling their virtue by telling shoppers that they're racist on Twitter, why Jessie from Little Mix has been accused of appropriating black culture because she has ginger curly hair, how Nicki Minaj is rehabilitating people's personal brands over Instagram Live, why Leo got involved in a debate about censorship in comedy which descended into the historic oppression of women's football and much more... Sponsors: Join the Modern Wisdom Community to connect with me & other listeners - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Get 5 days unlimited access to Shortform for free at https://www.shortform.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours at https://www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Subscribe to Leo's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp1hRBGoDHKSn4HiHIzkXAw Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello everybody, welcome back to the show, my guest today is Leo Kersh, is a comedian, writer, and a YouTuber. I brought Leo on to discuss the most important news stories of the last few weeks, real hard-hitting stuff today, like why J.K. Rowling had been written out of the new Fantastic Beasts trailer, how Saint Breeze signalling their virtue by telling shoppers that their racist on Twitter, why Jesse from Little Mix has been accused of appropriating black culture because she has ginger curly hair, how Nicki Minaj is rehabilitating people's personal brands over Instagram live, why Leo got involved in the debate about censorship and comedy, which descended into the historic oppression of women's football,

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Leo Kirsch. Oh yeah, PS, we have a special festive edition, end of your round up thing happening with me, Johnny and you, Seth, this tomorrow happening's, the UK's alright. We've got Omicron going round at the moment. I've got Omicron right now, in case you're wondering where I sound kind of blocked up. You're kidding. So everybody's got it. Like basically, I'm always out doing gigs,

doing shows and stuff, doing, I think I might have actually got it at TV studio, because I went in and everybody had a cold and Omicron is a cold basically. So yeah, I had coronavirus, I'd like the original and best first wave of coronavirus back in August and that absolutely floored me, you know what I mean? I was like, I wish I'd got vaccinated, but that was bad and Omicron, I mean it's still bad but it's like a cold, And Omicron, I mean, it's still bad, but it's like a cold, it's not like, you know, it's not like... This is Diet Coke.

What is Diet Coke? Yeah, it's Diet Coke, complied with full fat Coke. So you've got like the big full original hit, and then you've got like the new version without caffeine, without anything else in. Yeah, which actually makes you fat up, because your body thinks it's had sugar and it hasn't. I don't know.

I saw that Omicron seems to be a little bit more transmissible, but far less deadly or something. There's only one person that's died from it so far. Hugely more transmissible, three and a half times more transmissible and COVID was already a very transmissible disease. So Omicron basically, you know, if you're near somebody who's got it, you're probably going to get it, except, you know, sometimes you won't, like my fiancee doesn't have it.

And, um, yes, it's a lot less, it's kind of flat. The severity of hospitalizations is kind of flat. It's about 25 to 30% whereas with original COVID, the severity started off very low for like young people and then rose dramatically for older people so it was up around 85% to 90% for older people. So this one's less severe overall but slightly more severe for young people. Which is great, because one of the bad things about coronavirus is that it didn't affect

children. So all these annoying little snotty face brats and runabout enjoying themselves. And I think if there's any justice, I mean, I did like how coronavirus went for like the fat and the elderly and the vulnerable. You know, what I couldn't believe was like the fat and the elderly and the vulnerable, you know, what I couldn't believe was like the Tories, the Tories tried to stop it. Like Coronavirus is basically enacting Tory policy or what I've been told Tory policy is. And then the Tories try and stop it. Like next election I'm voting for Coronavirus.

It's doing a much better job at like wiping out like vulnerable people than the Tories are. Yeah, it's so weird, because I learned that viruses, they tend to get less lethal over time, but more transmissible, and this is what we're saying, right, that Omicron, because killing the host is actually a really rubbish way to reproduce. So yeah, that's why Ebola doesn't get anywhere, because every dives before they can give it to lethal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a strange one. I saw a JK rolling got herself in bother again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she tweeted because oh, yeah. So basically the police in Scotland. Scotland. Scotland's are really weird. Got a really weird government at the moment. So they're trying to be super woke. So there's, there's sort of, and I think it's because they're propped up by the Green Party.

But the S&P, Scotland's government, they're trying to be super woke with all this sort of like, you know, if you look at any adverts for the Scottish government, or anything, you'd think Scotland was like the most multi-racial cosmopolitan, everybody's in a, you know, dancing around with beards and makeup and, you know, dancing around with beards and makeup

and, you know, in a two-to-and-stuff. And Scott was not like that at all. You got one black person. Yeah, it's got literally one black person. It's like, Scott is 96% white. You know, it's bizarre that they're trying to push this image of, you know, like, they're a Benetan advert or like, you know, like, like a universe famous, tiny world. Yeah, it's like, yeah. If you look at the S&P, they think that the Scott is like a university prospectus cover.

But, so they're trying to bring through all this like woke legislation and usually it's just used by them as a lever to do their dirty work. So, for example, they brought through the hate crime bill and they didn't use the actual bill, they used the sort of emotion or the momentum behind it to depose, so when a sturgeon's enemy is, when a sturgeon's rival rivals on the front bench, Joanna Cherry, she was knocked off for the front bench because she was accused of being transphobic. And she's not transphobic, she's a middle aged lesbian, she's just a nice person.

But anything can be construed as transphobic. It's one of those words, it's like calling somebody a witch. If you call someone racist or transphobic, you might as well accuse, no, like, I never meet any genuine racists anymore. I used to when I lived in Scotland, but like, you know, in the 90s, there were genuine racists. Now, you know, it's very hard to find any genuine racists.

There's people that say things that can be misconstrued as racism and then that slime is really difficult to get off them. Yeah, yeah absolutely. So yeah, so it's just, you know, if you accuse someone of racism or transphobia, you know, you can just destroy them. But, um, so, J.K. Rowling, so Police Scotland have changed the law so that if a biological male or a man basically rapes someone but then says that they're a woman, please Scotland bill will be like yeah, you're a woman and then they'll be prosecuted and treated as a woman and sent a woman's prison. Even if they're making no effort to look like what we traditionally consider to be a woman. And obviously there's huge issues with this.

Women in prisons are incredibly vulnerable, so if you send biological males in, then that's obviously going to cause problems, particularly if that person's already, you know, a rapist. And you can see why a rapist want to go to a women's prison so they can continue raping. And so JK Rowling did a tweet, I mean, you might have it in front of you, but it was quite a clever, you know, it was a play on this or Wellian new speak of, because what I'm done or communism was basically you had to say the opposite of reality was true. And every day you were forced to say the opposite of reality was true, whether it was, you know,

things were getting better, we've all got enough food to eat, Stalin's a great leader. You know, you had to chant all this stuff. Just as you do with walk ideology, you've got to... The tweet from the tweet from J.K. Rowling was, war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, the penis to individual who raped you as a woman. Yeah, so I mean quite a pithy, incisive and clear. You can really see what she's saying. So obviously that's denounced as transphobic. When it's not transphobic, I mean, she's not obviously, you know, J.K. Oh, there's transpholps out there, but I think J.K. Rowling and me, probably you, we recognize that, you know, transgender women and transgender men who really transition and really put the effort

and what to live as that gender are genuinely, I know transgender women, they're genuinely transgender, they're genuinely women. I see them as women, but if you're just a bloke who's saying that they're transgender, you're just exploiting the self-identification rules to say that they're a woman. It's like, no, you're not. Well, I don't understand it. The thing that I don't understand is that that seems to me to undermine genuine trans people's rights

more than criticizing people that do that. You shouldn't want to have your movement and your identity co-opted by people who genuinely don't believe it and just see it as an opportunistic way to move themselves to a different type of prison or to get out of particular types of culpability. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. It's scary, man. I don't know. So I've spent them since I've been out here in Austin. I've spent a good bit of time with a girl called Blair White. Are you familiar with her? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so I've spent a good bit of time with Blair who is a trans woman and

fucking hell man like it's been it's it's the first time that I've spent a a significant amount of time around somebody that's trans and it's really been like an eye opener to me because ice, it's easy to see her. I mean, have you seen what Blair looks like? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, so she's, she's about as womanly as you're going to get. She looks like someone is about to step on a love island. And yeah, it would be impossible to think of her as anything else but a woman. And she it would be impossible to think of her as anything else, but a woman and she is pre-op. She's not had the dance there's surgery. But I mean, dude.

Well, a lot of transgender women don't have the surgery because then you've got like, there's a one in three chance you'll never orgasm again. There's not, yeah, it's not a particularly good or successful surgery to have. Okay, I did another. But dude, there's no way that I couldn't see. And this is the thing, I said this to Michael Malley, so I was out with, and I'm like,

look, dude, is it wrong for me to say that it is so much easier for me to treat Blair like a woman because she looked and acts and sounds and is shaped like a woman? Yeah. No, it's absolutely not wrong. And that's what, you know, I'll, you know, I think there's such a debate over like, you know, what is a woman? When does a transgender woman become a woman? And I think there's obviously a hotness rule. There's obviously a hot, like if you reach a certain level of hotness, you can use the women's toilets, you can use the women's change rooms.

And if you're just like a bloke with a beard and stuff, no you can't use the women's change rooms because you're not a woman. And I'd apply this to biological women as well. So I mean a lot of the terrifs who are you know criticizing me for saying transgender women or women, you know what I was looking at some of them. And it's like your barely classifiable as a mammal. Like how can you be sitting there like this dumpy mid fifties like you're barely classifiable as a mammal. Like how can you be sitting there, like this dumpy mid fifties, like Harry Chin, Harrod and Batlax? Do you know, like, oh, these women are women.

It's like, you're not a woman. Like Blair White is way more of a woman than some of these terrify all-bentz. You know what I mean? Well, I mean Blair even committed, she's committed so much to being a woman that she even drives badly. So that, that was being in her car, she's got a bright pink Mustang, which, so I pulled out of the gym and

drove past where Joe Rogan's recording studio is, which is supposed to be the semi-secret, but pretty much everybody in Austin knows where it is. And there's this bright pink fucking Ford Mustang outside. And I'm like, if anyone wanted to advertise, not only that Blair White's on his show, but also where the studio is, it's like pull that thing up outside. But yeah, man, I mean, she literally even drives like a woman. And it's so, it's been really eye-opening,

been really, really eye-opening to spend some time around somebody who, you know, I think that the first time or one of the times that she did mushrooms, she looked in the mirror and for the first time she saw herself as a woman. And you think, okay, that's somebody who genuinely has a discordance between how they see themselves and how the rest of the world sees them and how they feel inside. And that this kind of reframed, you know, born in the wrong body, gender identity, all of this sort of stuff. And yeah, not that I wasn't sympathetic previously, but I'm even more empathetic now, you know, like I can genuinely see the the trials and tribulations of somebody who

wants to be something different. And why the fuck in whose world, how much of a cunt would I need to be to not call her she? That would need to be a colossal prick to not do that. So of course, I'm like, I'm absolutely sweet with that, but on the flip side, like you say, some guy fucking hairy-chested six foot three guy with massive hands and a fucking beard. Like, that decides to go and attack somebody and then just uses a self-identification rule to get out of that. That feels to me like more of an attack on trans rights than saying that that shouldn't be the case. Exactly, because that's, I mean, stories like that that tend to make it into the news

or onto social media. So then everything, so that's what transgender people are. When in reality, most transgender people, I mean, for a start, a lot of them pass, a lot of them, you walk past them in the street, you wouldn't even know it, like, Blair White, you met her, you wouldn't know that she's not originally, you know, biologically female. So you know, most of the sort of transgender people, certainly the ones that I know, they want to get home in their lives and not have this spot like thrown in them. This brought there by, you know, basically, basically, bloaks, saying that they're women trying to exploit. I mean, there's some funny examples. Like, well, Frank, who's actually from Texas, I don't know if you know him.

No. He's a comedian. Really, really funny comedian, but a bit crazy. But he, and he's sort of preempted all this. About five years ago, he basically said he was a woman. And then he started getting lots of work with a BBC and stuff. And he just put a frocon and that was it. But he was really funny. Like, you know, you turn on Radio 4 and then they'll be like,

we're here with the female comedian, say, start calling himself Sarah Frank and female comedian, Sarah Frank and he'll be like, Hey, oh, you're doing, you know what I mean? I remember I booked him for a show. I showed that around hate and life, really fun show. It's basically improvised hatred based on audience suggestions. Really fun to do, but is it the end of a French? Or is she Sarah Franken at the time? He's gone back to being a man now, but Sarah Franken booked her and she was standing outside

smoking a cigarette and she was like, it's like, huddled under the awning because it was raining and the bounce of Sarah, you know, the six foot two bloke in a, in a frock, you know, with a wig, you know, it's not smoking a cigarette. The bones were like, you move away from the, from the entrance, please. And Sarah just turned around and it's like, you're going to make a lady smoking the rain. Like, it's the funniest thing I've ever seen, man. Oh, man, I don't know. It's all, it's all up in the air. But then Jacob Rowling's been written out of the fantastic beasts trailer.

You see that? That's just got released today. Man, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And obviously, somebody like J.K. Rowling, she's got her billions of pounds. She's still making money from the fantastic beasts and whatever. But she's not saying anything that's particularly horrific.

She said stuff, I mean, she said stuff that maybe I wouldn't agree with. But other people say stuff that I don't agree with. I don't think they should be like, you know, removed from her body of work. Exactly. Yeah. J.K. Rowling's name has been downgraded in a trailer promoting the latest film of a fantastic beast series amid a rout of her views on trans identification. Unlike previous adverts for the franchise, Rowling's name barely features in the two and a half minute trailer for the third installment, fantastic beasts, something, something, something the new trailer opens with the caption Warner Bros invites you

while the 2018 film said JK Rowling invites you and credited her with writing and producing her film. Kiwi Tunk's co-founder of the campaign group Women's Place UK told the Daily Telegraph this attempt to detach a female author from her own creative achievement is astonishing but is just the latest episode in a long history of women being erased. So now you have the intersecting groups of concern coming in. Okay, so we actually more bothered about women and their progress or we more bothered about protecting trans people and their progress and people that aren't actually trans and are pretending to be.

Hmm. Yeah. It's a difficult one, man. I don't know how this ends up finishing, but Jacob Rowling continues to get herself into hot water quite easily. Yeah, just by saying stuff that's, you know, fairly pithy and you can see the point she's making and it's like we should be able to make points, we should be able to say that if a man rapes a woman, there's an issue with him then saying that he's a woman going to a woman's

prison. It's really obvious truth. This is the thing that really surprised me about walkism is how similar it is to communism and that you're not allowed to save really obvious truths and everybody has to pretend that the lie is the truth. Against the sort of party line, so to speak. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man, especially given the fact that you don't need to have gone through legal changes, you don't know, man, especially given the fact that you don't need to have gone through legal changes, you don't need to have shown that you've been transitioning for a period of time. And it's like, fuck, you know what it is, if you haven't done those things and if you rape

somebody, like the benefit of the doubt gets to go out of the window, you've sequestered any good will from society if that happens. And who the fuck supposed to be defending rapists here? How have we got onto a situation where rapists are being defended? Yeah, yeah, but the ideological strength of the sort of trans rights, or a certain section of the trans rights movement,

I don't think the representatives don't think they speak for a lot of trans people, but the ideological purity overrides any sort of real-world questions or anything like the fact that, you know, what about a rapist? It's ridiculous. And I was talking to India Willoughby, who's a trans journalist, so she called Andy Noe a Nazi. So, you know, I just did a tweet about how you know the the word Nazi has been devalued so much that you know this this gay BAME journalist the son of Vietnamese refugees who you know exposes corruption and hypocrisy and violence on the left, you know, is deemed a Nazi. And you know, she, she, she probably turned, turned out somebody, somebody added to the, the threads saying that, um, Indian will it be a described,

described him as an uncle Tom, which is obviously a viciously racist thing to, to say. Um, and, but he missed gendered India when he said it. And then he was like, you've misgendered me. Like, as if that was the thing that we should all be being attention to, not her... You serve Uncle Tom, yeah, precisely. Yeah, fuck man. Dude, my favorite Andy No story is a video that anyone can go and watch on YouTube,

and it's people, other people being mistaken for Andy No. Antifa Raleigh so have you seen this? Oh fuck, dude, it is so, you need to do, you need to do a video on this. So there's a guy, Asian dudes walking through a Antifa, like Rally thing, people holding placards. There's a guy holding a camera and a shouting at him, going, are you fucking Andy no? Fuck you Andy and then people start going up to him

and this dude, he's got a mask on, right? So he comes up to them, takes a mask off and he says, are you being serious? Like this is the third time that this has happened to me now. And the guys are like, what? So you're telling me that just because I'm Asian and I look like Andy no, that you're going to abuse me from the side of the street and the person that stood next to the guy holding the camera goes well it kind of seems like you're doing it on purpose and he's like doing what being Asian. Oh. Fuck man. That's amazing. It's so good. But that's the most pejorative thing. Think about how fucking judgemental that is. That's so deeply racist. To say, there's a Asian guy, possibly Andy No, let's get him. What about the government's conversion therapy bill?

What's happening there? Well, I just did a video about it. So basically, the government's bringing through this bill to ban conversion therapy, which sounds like a good idea on the face of it because conversion therapy historically has involved administering electric shocks to gay people while they watch gay porn, which obviously doesn't stop them being gay, it just introduces them to fetish. And all kinds of laying on it, hands preying. Like Lou Reed was subject to this. I mean, this only stopped in the,

or stopped being administered by the state or by official authorities in I think it was about the 70s. So it's relatively recent thing that stopped. And the old days, they did things like transplanting testicles to try and make people straight. It was, you know, crazy. But like the testicles were the, were the, the center, the epicenter of the gainers. I guess that's what the thought was, is that the epicenter of your, your sexuality. So

that is fucking medieval isn't it, Jesus? I mean, even even the bottom is in stuff as well. So it's crazy because homosexuality up until like the 60s or the 70s was actually classified as a mental illness. And you know, so obviously it's barbaric and I mean, it still goes on, you know, sometimes particularly with, you know, religious groups. And you know, it's bad. But what the government's conversion therapy bill does is it also bans, it classifies any sort of treatment

for gender dysphoria other than actually transitioning, classifies that as conversion therapy. So if you, but a lot of transgender people, especially children, teenagers, they're presented, they're confused about their sexuality or they've got depression or anxiety or there's other things that are affecting it. And between the data we've got the moment says

that between 60 and 90% of them will reconcile to their biological gender, their natal gender, if allowed to, but the system we've got the moment is just funneling them into treatment. Because the only current procedure which is permitted is to reassign gender. Yeah, so they're put on puberty blockers, which are, you know, they say, oh, this is just to, to buy time. But it's, it's not, it starts a sort of cascade and they're put into a sort of conveyor belt

that leads them to be given cross-sex hormones and then surgery. And it happens surprisingly quickly considering the sort of, you know, how dramatic and how powerful the side effects of some of these things are. So a lot of the drugs, the hormones, the puberty blockers, they can cause infertility, they can weaken bones, you know, cause all sorts of problems. They're also the surgery, you surgery, if you remove breaths, that's permanent. If you transition the genitals with surgery, that's permanent and causes infertility

as well. So there's a lot of issues with this. But this industry has just exploded. Just a few years ago, there was just one gender transition clinic in the States, now there's over 300. So this huge industry has blown up, and they're not allowed to have a sort of free and honest and open debate around it, because academia and medical industry is systemically woke. So any questioning of any of this is seen as transphobic.

So it is sil silence and shut down in any academics that research it, even if they're taking a balanced look and being sympathetic to transgender people, they get denounced and their books are banned and they get thrown out of their universities. So there isn't the data and there isn't the debate and the academic research that is really needed to judge what's best. And this bill sort of adds to that by outlawing any treatment other than gender reassignment surgery. Yeah. So what's being implied there is that nobody that could suffer with gender dysphoria

would want to not continue with their gender dysphoria. Like if you were to try and reverse that, or if someone was to try and stress test your ideas around your own gender identity, that is also now put underneath trying to turn gay people straight again. Yeah, exactly. It's class is the same kind of thing, which is ridiculous and not based on any data. There is really a huge problem with the conversion therapy in the UK. We don't have a huge amount of people administer know, people administering electric shocks to gay people to try and make them straight.

It's something that happened in the 60s and isn't happening now. I couldn't believe that that was even, like, still a thing, even slightly still a thing. I mean, when I first saw this and I didn't realize the externalities to people that are suffering with gender dysphoria for their gender identity,

I thought, what the, what is this? It is this Alan Turing back from the dead to become medically castrated again. It feels so medieval. Yeah, well, Alan Turing is a famous victim of conversion therapy. So yeah, chemical castration. I think he chose chemical castration because the option was going to jail for being gay. And obviously, if you're going to have a punishment, jail is not where you want to say gay people. They're going to have a great time in there. Didn't you end up...

What was it that you said about some of the conversion therapy things were just putting loads of boys in a room with priests for a couple of weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the pray the gay way comes. One of my mates went to good center one and it's ridiculous. I mean, like, you know, like, maybe take like 200 gay teenage boys and put them at camp together overseen by priests. There's not going to be less anal sex going on in that camp, you know what I mean? So, yeah, great stupid. That's the worst conversion therapy of all time. Everyone's just come back really, really skilled.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking yeah. Yeah, maybe they have, maybe it's like we had died catches you smoking a cigarette and it makes you smoke the whole pack. Like, you could come out in the camp but our souls like a car crash. So that's how it works. Fuck, have you heard of black fishing? Do you know what this is?

No. Okay, so Jesse Nelson, former little mix singer, addresses music video controversy. Yeah, I did see this. So she's, she's been accused of, um, and this has happened to a few people in public. It's happened to Louis, the Orwell and the comedian. So they get accused of appropriating black culture

to try and be cooler. Yes, which really, I mean, it is cooler. Black culture is a fabric, like white people, white people culture isn't exactly the coolest thing on the planet. And I don't think that any black person would say that it is either. Stick to your own cool culture.

Form a little mixing of Jesse Nelson said she never intended to cause a fence after being accused of black fishing in her debut solo track. The singer 30 was criticized by some people in social media for her appearance in the video for boys. Nelson was accused of black fishing, a practice of non, of a non-black person trying to appear black, but has denied using fake tan.

Do you remember? I can't believe that they're like, we'll get the Jewelux Color Chart out, Jesse. Have you gone below an eight here? Because that nine, that is not to be used by you at all. Also, Nicki Minaj has got, like, based over the last couple of months, hasn't she? I haven't seen anything by Nicki Minaj, but I do know that like, if you go to the, like, the

whitest cities, like Glasgow, Newcastle as well, you know, we're from, you go there, people are, people really put on the time and they go to town and so on, and you know, Glasgow, man, you think you're, like, everybody's like, oompa, oompa color, it's insane. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think that another problem isn't just the way that because she didn't have dreads, it wasn't like, how would you say, archetypal, ancient sort of the commonly held desires of black people and the way that their grandparents would have dressed. It's like wearing a pair of Air Force ones and baggy tracksuit bottoms.

It's hardly what I see as the crux of black culture. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. There's no do-rag, you know, there's no, you know, feathers or anything. Oh, he was another one actually. Nelson said she was fortunate to easily tan when in the sun and told men up so she didn't live. I can't believe that you need to go and do an Instagram live with Nicky Menage to try and rehabilitate your public image. Told Menage that was it did. Yeah, pretty much.

Somebody had previously commented on her propensity to tan. Okay, so she's gotten alibi to how easily she tans. She said that her hair is naturally curly after complaints that she had changed her style in the music video. She added, I genuinely didn't think I was doing anything wrong because I've got naturally curly hair. I'm looking at a photo of her and she's ginger and I've never seen a black ginger person. So I mean, if you want justification, did she... I don't understand why people when they get called out by stuff like this, why you know, why

should come out and be like, oh, I tan really easily and I've got natural curly hair. Just come out and say like, mind your own fucking business, like, you know, obviously women always change their hair. They want, you know, if they've got straight hair, they want curly hair, they've got curly hair, they want straight hair. It doesn't mean that they're calling for, you know, the fourth Reich to rise in the domine with Aryan nations like it's ridiculous. You're allowed to put on a makeup and change your hair if you want. I don't know. The whole idea we're on now, people are staying in the lane. Actors playing the appropriate role for whatever the gender, sexuality, orientation, background, disability.

Yeah, correct. Yeah, which I mean, I don't know. Where do you stand on that? Well, I think the actors, they're acting. And I think if you narrow the field down, if you say that only transgender people can play transgender roles. Number one, you're narrowing the field potential talent down to an incredibly narrow field. And also, you're making it less likely that those stories will get told. So, you know, there's two ways that it's negative

for the film and for transgender people. Also, you've had some pretty good actors come out of Scotland, and if they're only permitted to play Scottish people, they're fairly limited. I mean, no one was looking at Killian Murphy when he did Peaky Blinders and saying, excuse me, Killian, can we actually check if you weren't born in Ireland and were from the town

of Solihul or whatever instead. But that's no one's fact checking him. So yeah, it's very much particular protected groups that have the problem. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, absolutely. And anything like that, you know, where particular groups are sort of deified and placed higher

than other groups on this sort of oppression pyramid. So nobody, like, you know, a black person wouldn't get in trouble for straightening their hair. And a transgender person would get in trouble for playing a, whatever, like, a, a, a, a lot of women, like, if they're, if they're a transgender person, they'd be celebrated for it. So what, what that's doing is, uh, placing a seed of, um, a seed of dissatisfaction in everybody's mind that why are these people getting treated?

Why do they get special treatment? Which obviously isn't good for social cohesion and the rights of everybody in the long run? I saw you have a debate about censorship and comedy which descended into the history of woman's football. What happened there? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're Kate Smartwood. Do you know Kate Smartwood?

No, she's got very standy outy neck veins. I noticed that, that you managed to cause some serious neck vascularity to happen during the debate. That was the main thing I took away from it. Yeah, yeah, it was hilarious. Basically she, so it was on Sunday, it was on G.B. News and we're debating freedom of speech and comedy. And she came up with all these bizarre claims.

Like she says, she hears racist jokes. Every month she hears racist jokes told by other comedians, it gigs she's doing. And like, I don't hears racist jokes told by other comedians that gigs she's doing. And like, I don't hear racist jokes. I, you know, I gig most nights and, you know, I do working men's clubs and all the rest of it. You know, I do shows in London, I do anything, I do anything in book for butlins, whatever. I don't hear any racist jokes.

And I'm considered to be a, you know, far-right Nazi racist homophobic transphobic all the rest of it so I'd think that I'd be put on bills with the racist comedians if they were any. I never hear any and I know why I don't hear any because if you told a racist joke on stage at a comedy club people wouldn't like it because it's 2021 and we're performing in front of you know every time we perform we're performing in front of a group of people who are just, you know, members of the public. So if you say anything that's socially unacceptable, they won't accept it because that's how socially unacceptable works. But yes, Kate said she's, you know, and she's doing all these like

woke, they'll look like she does. Oh, she's a comedian. She's a comedian, although I look. I could have sworn that she was some sort of, I don't know, journalist, editor, lady. I didn't know that she was a comedian. Well, I haven't actually gig with her in a comedy club since, like we did the Jersey Comedy Festival in like 2012 or something. So yeah, it's been like eight or nine years since

I've actually performed with her. And so maybe she's not really a comedian. I looked on our gigs list online and there's no gigs booked in. So I don't know where she's performing that other people are doing racist jokes, but I think she might have been lying. And yeah, she said, yeah, the women's football thing. Because people, she was saying it was right that Roy Chubby Brown should have been cancelled and people were right to right and left or something. So Roy Chubby Brown is due to performing Sheffield.

And he's cancelled by Sheffield Council because they said he doesn't reflect the values of Sheffield Council. And it's like, yeah, he's not supposed to reflect the values of Sheffield, but he's not the mayor, he's a fucking comedian. And like, I don't wanna go and see some like, our council value show. That's in shit, that's so boring. I don't want, like, man, I used to work in local government and they're also wasteful and boring and shit. We should just do away with them.

Just get like, you know, a small council that like collects the bins and keeps the roads and good neck. But yes, they cancel, right, shall be proud. And she was saying it's right, they cancelled them. And I was just saying, I just don't think, if you don't want to go see a comedian, if you don't think a comedian is good or funny, just don't go and see them. I did a show, one of my favourite clubs in London and somebody wrote a letter into the club,

or wrote an email into the club saying, I came to see Leo Kershaw in July, your venue, and it was horrifically offensive and horrible. And I came back to see it again in November and it was still horrifically offensive and horrible. Please cancel him from your club. I said, instead of cancelhorrible, please cancel him from your club. Instead of canceling me, why don't you stop coming to the show? You know what I mean?

Like, it's absolutely ridiculous. I don't even think they were at the show because they said I was like home-of-home with all the rest of it. I didn't say anything. The club fell never-thin' because you've got to these days to cover yourself. And they reviewed the footage and realized

I hadn't said anything and the stuff that they're always- What do you mean that they need to film everything to cover yourself. And they reviewed the footage and realised that I hadn't said anything and the stuff that you said were always... What do you mean that they need to film everything to cover yourselves? What's that? So if somebody says, oh, you know, this person said some misogynist, they need to be able to review the footage and see... No way. And that's happening that's common practice in the UK. Yeah, yeah, it seems to be now.

I record everything, every show that I do, I record the audio, so, you know so if anybody complains that I've got that as a back- No fucking way. In the first episode. That's what people wonder why comedians become incredibly bland and comedians are self-sensoring so much, you know?

That's wild. So how did it get onto women's football? What's that got to do with it? Oh, yes, a women's football. I can't really remember. I just said, like women's football is like women's football is shit and yeah, I can't even remember. Oh yeah, no, that's right, I said what comedy? What comedy is like women's football? It gets written about a lot in the garden,

but it's shit. And that wound came up, so I hammered it home some more, saying I was going to get back to the body. She had an idea around, was it World War II? So she said, the reason Women's Football isn't popular, isn't because it's shit. The reason Women's Football isn't popular, is because she genuinely said this with a straight face, is because it became

incredibly popular during World War II when all the men were you know a war getting themselves blown up because the patriarchy favors men and she said when the men came back from the war the authorities suppressed women's football and we're now eating the progeny of that that women's football. And we're now eating the progeny of that. The women's football was lambasted in the 40s and 50s and 60s, which has caused us today to have an aversion to watching women play football. But I'm more than happy to watch women's sport if they're good at it. But I watched a game.

Yeah, I watched more of the fit. I'll watch it if they're fit at it. But I watched the game. Yeah, I wish more of the fit. I'll watch it if they're fit like the volleyball in the Olympics. Correct. But dude, It's better than most sport. I mean, football is better than most sport.

It's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. I mean, it's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. I mean, it's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. It's better than most sport.

I mean, it's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. I mean, it's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. It's better than most sport. Cricket, the 100, which was a competition this year, they did a special 100 ball game. And the way that they did it was they had the ladies game from the same teams and then the men's game straight after each other.

So you could go and watch. And I watched one innings have eight dropped catches. But I can go and see an under 11's game and not see eight dropped catches. But I can go and see an under 11's game and not see eight dropped catches. And look, I'm all for supporting women's sport. If you can't fucking catch the ball, this is no, this is no longer a sport. Think of the number of dents and the car park. But oh, oh, the halftime sandwiches. She's done amazing spread. Well, that's only because you have a high proportion of female cricket, as I think that a lesbian.

So you've got like two, two really good people in the kit. I mean, I remember, I remember when I was, when it would be one of the lads that didn't have a partner and it was his turn to make the lunches when we used to play cricket. And it would be him and whoever his housemates were and it would be the worst spread. It's quite a good way to do it because he'd never be asked back to do it. You would only ask the people that had female partners. So yeah, actually that's, that's one way to look at it. But yeah, man, I'm fucking, I'm all for supporting women's sport.

If they're good at the sport, you can't, you can't force it down people's throats. Yeah, that's the thing now. Like, I mean, sport is pretty much a meritocracy. You know, if something's popular, if somebody wants to watch it, it's not like any promoter's gonna be like, oh no, I'm not gonna promote this

because it goes against my sexist beliefs. They wanna make money. want to make money. They want to make money. So they'll put on women's football if it's going to shift tickets. But like, does Kate, does Kate's worth weight, have a season ticket for women's football? She doesn't. Swansea Town, WFC or whatever, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people talk it, but they talk, talk.

He's a fucking good example. Think about the UFC. The UFC regularly has female fights as the title fight of the night. Final fight of the night. Like, and those are unbelievably talented athletes. And I'll happily watch two women smash seven shades of shit out of each other, just as happily as I will, man.

Like, and I don't care. They're faster than knockouts are a little bit less powerful, but they're still like, dope to watch. Down, yeah, yeah. Down, but eight drop catches. That if all that the girls did was circle each other in the ring and like, do that thing, I wouldn't want to watch it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, fuck, man. He hit drop catches, that is mad. Disgusting. Did you see the hubbub around this university Yeah, yeah, yeah, he dropped catches that is mad disgusting. Um, did you see the, um, the hubbub around this university of Pennsylvania, trans swimmer? You seen this one? Okay.

So, um, because this is this trans athletes, that's an area where it does kind of, um, you know, a lot of the arguments to break down. You got like Laurel Hubbard who, you know, transition when she was in her 30s, compete as a male athlete previously. So it's like, that's not fair, you know what I mean? That is not fair. No, I mean, this was followin' Fox and UFC, you know, like the women that fought her said,

you know, I've never experienced strength like that. And obviously, because that's like a man who was like, you know, totally hulked out and stuff. So you got like, you know, going through male puberty conveys certain advantages to transgender athletes. You get like bigger skeleton, stronger bone structure, greater muscle mass.

It's easier to... Being on a course of testosterone, a high course of testosterone compared with your gender for 35 years and then decided to pivot out. So yeah, it's impossible to stero for 30 years and then like, you know Cycled off and said right, I'm not gonna compete It's impossible to beat a despondent female rival say swimming against trans leotomus is intimidating and discouraging After teammates spoke out and said everyone knows it's wrong. She beat her next closest opponent by a full 38 seconds.

And one pretty much everything, basically. She broke two national records when she competed. She'd competed up until 2019 and then had a little break and come back. There's something, I don't know how you feel about this man. There's something that feels particularly, I really don't know where I stand on the trans women

in sports discussion, because you do want people to be able to compete in their chosen pursuit and if they're good and so on, but then also you know that there's this unfair advantage, but then making a trans women only division also doesn't really feel like a particularly good outcome, making them continue to compete with men also doesn't feel like a particularly good outcome. I kind of struggle to see a good way to put this.

What about if we put them in the Paralympics and then instead of women getting beaten by 38 seconds, it was somebody with down syndrome getting beaten by like four hours and 12 minutes. Would that be a good solution? No, no, we can't do that either. That's good suggestion, but I'm not convinced that that's going to work. But there's something that feels particularly egregious about it being college athletes or like kids, because you know

that at that stage, there's more branches of life open to them, right? There's more paths that they could go down to sponsorships, scholarships, paths to go to university and move into professional sport and stuff like that. I don't know, there's something about that. Do you get that sense as well that there's just something like extra unfair about trans athletes in college that are taking spaces from other athletes? I don't know.

Yeah, I mean, like the whole thing about athletes is I feel like they've got an unfair advantage through some trick of biology anyway. So I'm kind of, you know, and also I'm not a feminist, I'm delighted to see women upset that they're being beaten by a biological male. So yeah, I mean I can't really see, I can't really see the downside. It's, you know, and you look at the women weight lifters that Laurel Hover was competing against. They weren't like, daint a little, like, maidens, they're like, they look like, you know, big ol' lumps as well. I mean, obviously, if I was a woman or a, a genuinely, quite enjoy watching

feminists and transgender rights activists tear each other apart on things like that. I don't know what's going to happen as you continue rolling forward with the intersecting ideologies of whoever's got the most grievance, but it feels like it's got to be a snake that eats it to an entail at some point, do you not think? Yeah, it's already, it's already so convoluted and so it's so communist in the way that ideology works that if J.K. Rowling pulls back the current to reveal the lie that you've got,

so I, if I said I'm a woman like according to all these like woke ideologists the trans rights ideologists I'm now a woman and it's like well obviously not I'm just a lot of people. There's a fundamental difference between you and Blauite. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I don't know man I don't know I don't know how that ends up how this sort of situation ends up finishing itself because it's going to fragment itself and continue to fracture into so many different groups and subgroups that what's left? Yeah, and we're already seeing it happen with the LGBTQ community. So you know, got the

LGBTQ alliance because a lot of lesbian and gay people feel that they're being Erased by and you know quite quite rightly because if somebody if a child or you know a young person teenager whatever presents with gender dysphoria quite often that's because they've got like their same sex attracted and You know, they're being sort of coached that that's because they're born in the wrong body rather than they're homosexual and then they're putting the pathway to you know this conveyor belt to transitioning and you can see you know a lot of lesbians are quite manly quite butch and a lot of gay guys are quite effeminate. So they'd be the ones being put on the path to transitioning now. And this is actually state policy in Iran,

which has got the highest level of transitioning in the world, but basically being gay in Iran is illegal. So you've got the choice between, you can either be gay and go to jail or be killed or you can transition to being a woman and then it's fine. You know, so you've got like, you know, the sort of, the state is transitioning thousands of people in Iran. And what we're seeing now is people wanting to detransition and reconcile with their biological gender. But it's difficult. Once you've been on the puberty blockers and the hormones and the surgery, it's very difficult to untangle that and rework yourself. So I think we're storing up problems. This is going to be the delinid of our era. Ten years time, there's going to be so many people who are like, you know, a confused 13-year-old

and were sort of brought into this pathway to transitioning and are going to be absolutely distraught and wanting to de-transition. And obviously it's not, you know, I'm not saying everybody is going to be like that. For a lot of people it is the right thing to do, but they're scooping up everybody and applying the same treatment to everybody. That's what Andrew Doyle talked about. The fact that he thinks a lot of gender reassignment for children is rehabilitated concern about homosexuality. It's being it's rehabilitated homophobia looked at through a different lens that parents don't want I can't remember who it was he quotes this guy who said um

He knew that his little boy was always a girl when he said that he was attracted to guys And he's just so glad that his son isn't mincing about talking to boys anymore And you're like exactly exactly pure homophobia. Is no one fucking seeing this? Yeah, yeah. That's basically Iran's state policy. That's the guy's basically channeling the Ayatollah community right there. Fucking hell, man. I don't know. I don't know.

There was a Denver elementary school that put a sign outside advertising families of puller of color playground nights. So they'd essentially created a racially segregated playtime for equity. But they did this a lot. Saints breached it as well. They had they had safe spaces for ethnic employees, which the thing with any sort of separation by race is separating people by race. Whether you say you're doing it for an altruist or a positive reason, doesn't matter because you're separating by race. And then it gives sort of ammunition or valid dates. Anybody who wants to separate people by race for nefarious reasons, for racist reasons.

There was a, was it a 12 days, 12 weeks of slave workout that was released. Was that last year? Was that by Saint Spreese as well? And it was something like being a slave was hard and so is this workout? Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. That wasn't Saint Spreese. That was a personal trainer. Was it? Then had an internet pile on. It was just kind of unfair because I think it was black. And he had this pile on. He just thought it through. It is poor marketing, he's thinking with his muscles.

But if he could think things through, he wouldn't be a personal trainer. Getting paid like £12 an hour to help housewives do setups. Obviously it's not going to be the brain of Britain. Ah, I don't know. These are the whole racially segregated thing is kind of a little bit of a weird one. Because I think one argument that I saw to do with Denver, I don't know much about Denver,

apparently not a lot of black people. So you're finding a way for people to be able to create a community, but it feels like anything that's bureaucratically forced, top down, anything that's dictatorial and not just, look, if you want to hang together in the school yard or after school or when you collect people,

like who the fuck's the elementary school to say that this is the way that we should exist in the world? And it's terrible. It's drawing attention to racial differences rather than sort of, you know, because I was always brought up, you know, school taught us that, you know, race is only skin deep. And obviously it's not there's cultural differences and all the rest of it. But we're taught to sort of be friends with each other. We're in Scotland so it didn't make any difference. There weren't any black people.

But yeah, certainly, you know, I've got black friends who say, you know, things are regressing, things are getting worse. Because it used to be that everybody would just hang it together and now we're having this sort of top down enforced separation of people. And you would say, Saintsbury's, companies are exploiting it and exploiting the division. Saintsbury's a terrible tweet that was, they basically said, you know, anybody is welcome to shop in Saintsbury's, no matter what they're race. And if you don't like it, go and shop somewhere else. And it's like, it's fine to say, you know, everybody's welcome to shop in Saints Breeze, no matter what they're race. And if you don't like it, go and shop somewhere else. And it's like, it's fine to say,

everybody's welcome to shop in Saints Breeze regardless of their race. I mean, I assume that was the case anyway. I wouldn't assume Saints Breeze was racist, even though they're owned by the Katari Royals, which they run an extremely racist country with a genuinely objectively racist regime that actually uses slaves.

The slavery, you know,'s mad that for all the people bang on about slavery. The only bang on about transatlantic slavery that finished 400 years ago was ended by the British. Nobody bangs on about the fact that there's more slaves now in the world than there was 400 years ago at the peak of transatlantic slavery. No way.

Yeah, yeah, in China, so you got companies like Nike and Apple using the Weakermislam slaves. So they contract to the Chinese government. The Chinese government has around about a million Weakermislaves held in work camps, so basically slave labor. Basically concentration camps, but slave labor and they have to work for the Chinese government. So, Nike's get made there. And Nike's that are then sold by Colin Kaepernick as, you know, this is, we're standing up for minorities. It's the most fucked up world.

It's great being a comedian now, because there's so much stuff to talk about. In the 90s, all I could talk about whose airline food, but now there's all this like, you know, genuinely horrific, you know, fascistic stuff going on. And Sainsbury. Yeah. Sainsbury said, you know, so, you know, anybody's welcome to shop in Sainsbury's regardless of their color. And if you don't like it, shop somewhere else. It's like, well, what are the races supermarkets then? If you're saying, you know,

it's saying the races are non-races and anti-races supermarkets. Yeah, you're saying wait was this racist? Like, you know, it's ridiculous. Obviously none of the supermarkets are racist because it's 2021. Fuck. Yeah, there's something that feels quite uncomfortable about a company that is weaponizing

social justice, ongoing social justice campaigns in order to monetize, especially when you think, okay, and the underpinnings of this are total bollocks. You know, if you were using it, if the byproduct of you standing for a cause, which is genuinely just of you standing for a cause which is genuinely just was that maybe you gain some brand equity, whatever, like that's happened since the beginning of time. But if you're creating a fake problem or talking about a non-existent issue in order to then try and commercialize it, that just feels, it's the stupidity that annoys me the most. Yeah, not absolutely, absolutely. And the cynicism and it's always these companies that are sort of pretending to be, you know, it's super woke and doing it for the right reason.

But obviously it's an advertising campaign. They've run it through focus groups and they've had boards look at it and stuff. And you know, process it and be like, this is the thing that's going to sell us more ice cream. Like Ben and Jerry's process it and be like this is the thing that's going to sell a small ice cream like Ben and Jerry's Ben and Jerry's you're constantly tweeting, tweeting stuff, tweeting, tweeting abuse of the government for the treatment of refugees then you go to you know Ben and Jerry's like we need to let all the refugees into the country then you go down to Ben and Jerry's they lock the doors at night so how come you're allowed to enforce that border like why is the border around Ben and Jerry's allowed to be enforced?

They're all full of nonsense. And also by saying that Ben and Jerry's supported all the rioting and the looting in Black Lives Matter, so you should go and steal Ben and Jerry's. I saw, because I've been out here for a little while, so I missed all of the run-up to Christmas, including the adverts. Wasn't there a kickoff about John Lewis as well? Wasn't there a fake scandal around the fact that it was a black family in the John Lewis campaign, which I just thought looked like a nice, it was an average advert, but just a nice

family? I would be amazed if there was anything other than a black family in an advert, you know, for another probably about 18 months, and there certainly no white couples. All the couples have to be interracial. Yeah. What do you think that's about? Why do you think that's happening? Because of black lives matter. Obviously, all, you know, the same thing happened in comedy. If you look at TV comedy, it's all, because most comedians are middle-aged, white men, bald white men, because it's mostly men that when they do it, the UK's mostly

got white people in it, and it takes a while to become good at comedy. So by the time you get good, you're like, you know, 45 or whatever. So most comedians that are good enough to watch are, you know, middle-aged white men. But if you look at TV comedy, it's all, you know, fat, black women and 22-year-olds. Well, what do you say to people that say, well, they haven't had their time in the limelight? This is an opportunity for previously marginalized groups to finally get some time on stage. Yeah, no, I think it's great. I mean, as somebody who's got a YouTube channel,

I think it's brilliant that TV is, writing itself into a relevance. So you can either go and watch a shocking set on live at Apollo by a non-binary 22-year-old ethnically mysterious person, or you can watch me, you know what I mean? So it's great. Long may the BBC continue to destroy itself is what I see. Yes, so should someone step into a meritocracy in your idea in your view? Is there a point at which there needs to be, I don't know, like affirmative action to

do with representation or should it just be a complete free market? Um, I think seriously, there needed to be some sort of improvement representation. Um, I still don't think we've got fair representation. Maybe in terms of ethnicity, but not in terms of class. Because people, if we've got a lack of Asian comedians or black comedians, that can be because there aren't enough black comedians to start off. So they don't, you know, if you're a black kid, you're not going to look at, you might not look at Bill Econnelly and be like, oh yeah, I'm going to be like him, you look

at Lenny Henry or Chris Rock, because they're black, you know what I mean? So you're going to feel that affinity. So by putting people in those places, you're giving role models to the next generation. So yeah, I think it is positive. I think what it follows down though is, you know, there's loads of good black comedians, loads of good female comedians. They don't pick, when it comes down to tokenism, when they're picking people according to their demographics. Like, Nico Yearwood, the guy who do three speech podcasts with, man, that guy is just an absolute killer. He's so funny.

He's so funny. He's got so much charm and charisma and and wet like he's great off the cuff his materials great he could man that guy could be could be huge but he's not getting the breaks on TV and it's not just because he's lazy because he is lazy but like they'd look at him and they're like, nah, he's about 40. I don't think he's not right for us. We want a 22 year old. A 22 year old's gonna come out and do like some absolute dog shit material

about how, you know, basically, young people aren't funny because not enough bad stuff has happened to them. But yeah, Nico's really funny and he's not getting the breaks. Same with the female comedians that don't get a break because they're not good looking enough or too good looking or whatever it is. When the sort of powers that be are placing people based on their demographics is tokenism and it doesn't work. But it's never based on class demographics. This is what Rogan said. Who would have thought that an episode with Snoop Dogg

would have had some secret wisdom in it, but it did. And he said one of the reasons that the powers that be get people to focus on race is that it stops us from focusing on class. Yeah, yeah. And I think we know that in the UK class is a far bigger differentiator than race. Obviously, like if you've talked to,

I know some ethnic people are incredibly posh like Calvin Robinson, for example. And I don't think he gets a lot of discrimination based on his race, but somebody who's got the same ethnicity, but his working class is gonna be treated a different way, and if you're dressed a different way, and all the rest of it, I've certainly experienced classes. Even though the thing that pisses me off, in London, I get like, I got knocked back for a job of Coots Bank, this way back in the day, and I could sort of tell, everybody else in the interview, thing was like way back in the day. I could tell, everybody else in the interview

was super posh and stuff. I could tell, man in Scotland I'm posh. Don't be, don't be discreet, you think I'm Scottish, I'm not posh. But the posh is person in Scotland is the poorest person in England. Yeah, I'm the posh is person in Scotland, you motherfuckers. They're all here banks owned by the Royal Bank of Scotland. So, like... Give me my fucking juice. Give me my nation's desire, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Fuck.

What have you got coming up next? What's next on the plate for you? So, yeah, hopefully I'm gonna get over Omicron soon. Have you had to rearrange your tonnidates? Yeah, just cancelled, I was supposed to headlight for the free speech union gig last night. I was supposed to be up in Blackpool and Liverpool in Burskouth or whatever it's called this weekend but I've had to cancel those. So yeah, I'm just taking the opportunity to write stuff from a YouTube channel so I'll be doing a new video. I'm going to do a video next about woke sports people.

So you've got the sports personality of the year competition coming up in the 19th. So I'm gonna do it. All these people are like, man, Marcus Rashford, you know, he's all the other government needs to, you know, government needs to provide free school meals to all the children and stuff. Then he's dodging his taxes, he's paying himself with a loan.

So you know, you don't need to pay tax or a loan, but he can just not pay the loan back. So, you know, if he pays his taxes, the government, if it all these people, all these woke people, woke people are always like, the government needs to do this. It's like, man, you can give the government more money if you want. I don't want to give the government any more money, but you can, as you think it's so important, then the government can afford to give it, you know, all the kids can get a free-school meal and a fabbers you, or whatever, else they want. Like, you know what I mean? It's ridiculous. Gary Lenaker. Gary Lenaker is always

like swanning around Twitter, being all like, you know, criticizing mean? It's ridiculous. Gary Lenaker. Gary Lenaker is always like swanning around Twitter, being all like, you know, criticized in Lawrence Fox and whatever, for being terrible people. It's like Gary Lenaker makes his money from the BBC, which is basically taxpayer's money. And then he decides he doesn't have enough money from all the hundreds of thousands pounds he gets each year from the BBC.

So he sells crisps, he markets crisps to abuse children who are at risk of diabetes. So he's basically deliberately killing children for money. He's basically like, good day, he's son. Gary Leneker was an absolute, you know what I mean? For these people to then try and take the moral high ground. It's like, how about you stop killing children, Gary? It's like, he'd be selling cigarettes at a playground out of the back of a van if there is choice. But instead, you know, he's

selling Walker's Christmas instead. Walk personality of the year then, so that's done. Where can people go if they want to check out their YouTube channel? Yes, I've got YouTube channel just Leo Kierz. That's who you find it. Or my Instagram's Scottish comedian, all one way. No way. You've got Scottish comedian on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. I can believe it's available either. Fuck you Daniel Sluss. Fuck you. Yeah.

Man, it's been really good to speak today. I hope that you get over your own micron and you have a good Christmas. And I will catch you in the new year. Cheers, man. You talking to you?