Modern Wisdom - #480 - Zack Telander - Men Aren't Having Enough Sex

Episode Date: May 30, 2022

Zack Telander is a weightlifter, coach & YouTuber. Serious problems are afoot. The number of men reporting no sex in the last year has tripled since 2010, MonkeyPox is running rampant and Amber Heard is able to get into the bottom of a squat on an unstable surface but hasn't tried to take up the sport of olympic weightlifting. Expect to learn why men's and women's beauty standards are diverging in 2022, what a 200kg Greek man can teach us about training for the difficult, whether we can find patient zero for monkeypox, why men can't get laid, my experience not being kidnapped in Guatemala, why Jonny Depp wears cooler sunglasses than you and much more... Sponsors: Join the Modern Wisdom Community to connect with me & other listeners - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Get 2 weeks Free Access to the State App at https://bitly.com/statewisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 15% discount on Upgraded Formulas Test Kit at https://upgradedformulas.com/ (use code: MW15) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D and Free Shipping from Athletic Greens at https://athleticgreens.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Subscribe to Zack's YouTube Channel -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC94_fvLx7abZgs9LIkM7jxw  Get Zack's Program for $1 - https://www.patreon.com/zacktelander Follow Zack on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/coach_zt Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello friends, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Zack Talander. He's a weightlifter, coach, and a YouTuber. Serious problems are a foot. The number of men reporting no sex in the last year has tripled since 2010. Monkeypox is running rampant. An amber herd is able to get into the bottom of a squat on an unstable surface, but hasn't tried to take up the sport of Olympic weightlifting yet.

Thankfully, Zack is here to chill his wares, try and acquire amber as a coaching client and also work out what's going on. Expect to learn why men's and women's beauty standards are diverging in 2022, what a 200 kilo Greek man can teach us about training for the difficult, whether we can find patient zero from onkypox, why men can't get laid, my experience not being kidnapped in Guatemala, why Johnny Depp wears cooler sunglasses than you, and much more. I always enjoy having Zach on the show. The same as Johnny and you, Seth, it's great having high intensity conversations about stuff that

really matters, but sometimes I just want to gossip, you know, you're going about your day, you're busy doing whatever you're doing. You just want a nice voice, a nice familiar voice in the background talking about monkey pox or amber herd, powing on a bed. This is where we are today. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Black Talender. I'm back. How many times is this? 5, 6, maybe? I don't know. Not enough. I'm the guy. I'm not enough.

That's how many. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough.

I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I six, maybe? I don't know. Not enough.

Yes, I'm the guy. Not enough. That's how many. That's right. How you feel after a... How you feel after your weekend gig playing champagne supernova to a massive crowd of 18 adults and five children? You know, I feel like a celebrity, you know, just walking into a party, picking up an instrument

and singing in an absolute classic. That's by the way, like, I said that that night, like, that is gotta be a staple if you're trying to just have a sing along song. Really, any always his song we've determined. The champagne supernova in the UK, if you to ask it in the UK, it would be a bit cheesy because everybody already thinks that to put Wonderwall or don't look back in anger or champagne supernova, it's so obvious, but I said it in America and everyone was like, yes, amazing idea.

I'm thinking, well, the first thing that came to mind. Wonderwall? Wonderwall is, it's like that here. Okay, so that is a corny one to choose. If you got to pick up a guitar and you start playing Wonder wall, you're going to get shit for it, 100%. Because it's just like, you know, you know the meme where the conversation ends and you go,

anyway, here's Wonder wall. You know? No. Yes. So it is a widely known thing. Just like, don't's Wonderwall. You know? No. Yes. So it is a widely known thing. Just like, don't play Wonderwall. But champagne, supernova, that's not off limits. You crushed it, man.

It was good. Yeah, we had a great Saturday. I went to lift ATX, this new indoor outdoor gym. That was fantastic. It's a bit hot. It's very hot. Austin, generally, I went away to Guatemala, right? So I'm in Guatemala getting the visa thing.

And then I come back and something's happened. Someone's flicked a switch. In Austin, in this place, it's disgusting now. I need to power up. Everyone's like, oh, just wait until summer arrives. I don't want to wait until summer arrives. This is already far too much for me. Yeah, it's at a certain point,

it's either like you go from AC unit to AC unit, or AC unit to pool, you know, to shower like to AC unit. Yeah, to shower. You don't want it. You're not just like doing outdoor activities and not having like air conditioning near you. Well, for sure, like everyone in England knows most people in cold places understand that

you want to dress appropriately and spend as little time in the cold as possible, moving from a heated car to a heated house to a heated office to a gym or whatever. But the reverse just is so bizarre. It's like, oh, you don't want to go outside, it's too hot. It's never been a problem. I've always wanted it to be more hot.

But yeah, so did Lift ATX, that was cool. Went to see everything everywhere all at once with Sky, because it's to do with Asian stuff, so Sky was in love with it. And for the people that haven't seen it, it's pretty cool. I don't think it's the best film ever made, which tons of people have given it that accolade. Yeah, pretty good. The one assessment you said was like it wasn't like deeply sci-fi enough. I just thought it was going to be more like tenet or interstellar or something that was going to blow my face off. And it was funny and quirky and it had charisma and stuff, but that for me that detracted

away from the serious whatever philosophical undertone of it. And then I asked a bunch of the guys, everyone had a different idea about what it meant, and no one agreed with anyone else about what the under, like the subtext of the plot was. And then we went to our boy chases, birthday, you played Wonder Walt, and then I went to a new nightclub.

So this weekend was pretty, pretty fun, man. I got a lot in. Yeah. Yeah, that's just gonna be the typical weekend for someone who's now a visa holder in the States. Yes, sir. That's a big deal. You can't just, you can't just glance over that. That's a big deal, man. That's your here now. Can come and go. You can fly in and out, right? Yeah. There you go. Literally. Yeah. I mean, that was getting the O1 is such a, um, it was such a journey, like 700 pages to get that portfolio submitted and you need

Signatories and you need offers of work and you need a sponsor here in the US and all of these It's so weird. It literally would have been easier for me to fly to Mexico and walk over the border I'm pretty sure that that would have been a simple just being illegal. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been an easier solution It's done man. Yeah probably I, that would have been an easier solution. It's done, man. Yeah, probably. I mean, I know. I was watching that Kariakos Grizzly video that you did, where he talks about training for the difficult. What, what, what is that? Well, I think, first off, Kriakos Grizzly is, he is, he's an enigma. He is very, very strong, but he does these unusual movements

that are not very functional, I guess would be the definition. He does like, zircher shrugs. So he'll like, literally stand with weights in his elbows, like a barbell in his elbow, with a scene amount of weight, and he'll just like shrug it up and down two inches. Okay, and then he'll put it down and start screaming.

He's also a very, very large individual. Like part of his training is just like getting on the scale and it says like 195 kilos body weight. And it's like, you know, it's like a thing that he's passionate about is how heavy he is. He's in, and what's interesting is is what happens with a lot of the fitness industry around YouTube. And I can I can list off examples, but these guys, they're kind of, you know,

enigmatic, like I said, but then they kind of get meamed. And maybe someone thinks they're stupid or foolish at first, but then they just keep going long enough to where it's yes, it is this under said joke, right? It's like, Kiriako, Scrisley, like, we all know what's going on. But at the same time, the joke has been going on so long that like, you're an asshole if you don't go along

with the joke. And I absolutely love it. Like, I can't get enough of this guy. So what he says is two things. He says you have to live it. And then the other one is training. Someone says why do you train so hard? He goes for the difficult.

Okay. Which is. Okay. It's amazing. It's amazing. If you can think of like a Greek accent, someone going like for the difficult, you know, it's not like grammatically correct,

but yes, it's for the difficult. And I perceive it as, you know, just giving yourself adversity, so you can create a better version of yourself. But what I did was I kind of deconstructed that and tried to make a video that I could help people with. And there is this really good example that I used of Jack White, who's like, if I look up to anyone in music, it's Jack White.

And one of the things he said in this documentary, it's a great documentary, it's called Under These Great Northern Lights, and it's him and Meg White and the White Stripes and they're going through Canada and they just go through like really random places and play live gigs. But one of the things he says is like convenience is the enemy of creativity. And if you are given all of these opportunities, it's less likely, or if things are made easier for you,

it's less likely that you're going to make something that you're going to see as worthwhile. And one of the things that he says is like, for instance, book four days in the studio and make yourself make an entire LP, which is a full length album. And a couple of, you know, one of the things he says is like, if I go up on stage and I just kind of play what we usually play, and I don't show that effort, people know whether they, whether they say that they know it, there's something inherent where they can tell that you're just kind of just going through the motions. So what I try to do is make things difficult, you know, I love for the

difficult. And so he's like, I play these 15-year-old piece of shit guitars that go out of tune, the string snap, I play them because it's an added challenge. I put my picks on the amp behind me rather than on the microphone stand. So if I drop a pick, I have to during the song find a point where I could sprint back and get a pick. I make the piano a distance away from me. So when I switch from the guitar to the piano, I have to sprint over there. I have to time it up just right. And if I don't, I'll miss it. And he's like, I add all of these challenges in so that I can create something beautiful for people to watch. And I like in that too for the difficult.

I try to take something that's meme worthy and see what we can learn from it. I usually do that sort of thing with my videos. Another example of this is actually, I think it was David Goggins on Rogan. And he, I believe he said he's like, I'm going to go back to work Joe. Like, my hands are getting too soft. And he said he wanted to do like smoke jumping, which is like forest fire fighter, or something like that.

I can't remember the exact, and if he actually ended up doing it, he's like, you know, my life has gotten too easy for myself. He's like, I gotta make it hard. And so like, I always think about those things. It's like, am I making life too easy for myself. He's like, I've got to make it hard. And so, I always think about those things. It's like, am I making life too easy for myself? Are you out there making life too easy for yourself? What can you do to make it so it's more difficult, but still able to move forward?

Goggins hasn't done any media in three years. I found this out last week. He hasn't done any new media in three years. He's done a little bit for his own channel. He hasn't, you know, someone like him breaks onto the scene, and you would expect to see him on Rogan once a year, and he would be doing rounds sort of constantly. And he hasn't done anything for three years, which is pretty wild. So maybe he has been training for the difficult, maybe he has been doing whatever it is knowing that guy he has to be he has to be Have you read his book? I've only I never read it when it first came out, but I'm now I'm listening to it now. Dude, it's so good

And this guy had such a fucked up childhood. It was ruthless. His dad was a pimped that ran a roller skate rink and they used to Make the kids sleep in the office because they would be caching up and, oh, dude, it was terrible, absolutely awful. And then his mum was about to marry this guy and this guy dies and he was finally going to have a family and then he doesn't and then just an endless number of catastrophes that happen. And then there's all of that stuff about him cleaning out cockroaches. It's a super inspiring story. I get that he's not everyone's cup of tea because of the way that he communicates, but he's fantastic, man.

I'm really looking forward. I think he's going to be doing more stuff this year. I think he's going to be back on it this year. And if that's the case, it's like, there aren't many other people that do what he does. Even Jocco, who's kind of close to him in terms of his rhetoric, he's not the same. Like Jocco does a Jocco thing and Goggins does a Goggins thing. So I'm glad that he's maybe coming back.

What are your thoughts on poking your head out every once in a while when you're at that level? Maybe David Goggins isn't quite at that level, but what are your thoughts on the lesses more approach to maybe social media to whatever that may be? Well, Robert Green talks about the fact that a little bit of aloofness creates a sense of mystique and Sort of attraction around who you are because if people always know that they can get a whole debut as much as they want I don't know. It doesn't seem as special anymore. It seems to me that it's probably just

like any other normal distribution, right? That if you're gonna post very, very consistently online and put out tons and tons of content, you have to be an outlier in terms of the quality. So James Smith's a good example of this, right? He has, I wouldn't like to guess the last time that he went 24 hours without his story being up, and it's always tons and tons of stories,

and they're always face to camera, and they're always, there's always something happening, right? But he's an outlier because he's interesting. Like he's a funny guy that has great delivery online. So he can get away with that. Now, I think it would probably be a bit of a waste if you had James' skill and decided to only do it every three years,

do a little batch of runs. There's definitely something exciting about only getting like a limited run of access to someone's ideas. And something tells me that maybe with Goggins, he's probably the sort of guy that's going to have enough stories and enough amazing insights to maybe do that, to do like a condensed run every three years,

and then go away and then prove himself for the difficult, and to then come back and be like, look, here's what I learned, having done the difficult, here are some more things for you to learn about. But if it was just consistent, I don't know whether that would work quite so well. You know, I mean, there was that period when Jordan Peterson came back after he'd had, you know, basically two years off from his recovery and all of that stuff.

People were excited because they hadn't seen him for ages. And yeah, absence can sort of make the heart grow fond of maybe like that. What do you think? Well, I like to think about tool, one of my favorite bands, Maynard Keenan being the lead singer, even when they perform, he's in the back. It's like the only lead singer I've ever seen that goes to the back of the stage. Behind the drama?

No, it's like kind of to the left or right of the drummer. But in line with it? Yeah. it's like kind of to the left or right of the drummer. But in line with it? Yeah. And sometimes actually behind the drummer. So like Danny Carey, I believe I can't quite remember because I saw them live is probably one of my top three favorite shows I've ever been to.

And Danny Carey's more center stage. And he has two boxes that he goes to that are to the left and to the right of Danny Carey. And maybe even slightly behind him So you can already get that mystique from him You know, and he was also saying like as far as sound goes. It's easier for me To to sing and it makes more sense just because I'm a singer. It doesn't mean that I should have my back to my band but

You know he's a type of guy. Like that band, to me, is so massive. But yet they have like almost zero pop culture. What's the word? Like exposure. Yeah, they're relevance, right? They're just not relevant in pop culture. And yet they can sell out arena after arena after arena after taking a massive break from album to album. And he goes and he takes this money from this tour and he fucks off to Arizona to his winery and he just all he focuses on is is making good wine. And now he's gotten into like this industry of trying to sell his wines to other restaurants

in Arizona. He's trying to build like this hub. That's what he's passionate about. And I think I just find it so interesting. When your art is that good, that no matter what you do, if you start a tour, people will go crazy for you. And I almost revere that because I'm in the position of the opposite. And I believe you're probably the same, right? Where it's like, if we don't, if we don't show poker heads, yeah, we don't feed the beast.

We are disappearing. And so it's almost like, yeah, the grass is always greener, but I do respect it. I think it's very, very interesting to talk about. I also think, especially with Maynard Keenan and Tool, and who's the other one, perfect circle, right? That's the other one. Yeah, and pusifer, but yeah, perfect circle, yeah.

Those guys are people that have done the work and got themselves to the very top. Something tells me that when he was first starting out that he wouldn't have been able to be quite so aloof, they were probably playing more shows, releasing more records, being more available for doing press and for doing stuff like that. This is a conversation I had yesterday in the pool party of the W Hotel, not the place that I thought was going to have a great philosophical conversation, but I ended up having a great one with Joshua. We were talking about the fact that a lot of the time people look to those that are successful

and have made it, ask them what their advice is or what the ways that they operate are now, and then try and map that to someone who's not at the same stage of the journey. So it's like, look, Maynard Keenan probably nailed shows. He had to learn how to tour, to perform live, to deal with on-stage nerves, everything, right? The logistics, the sound, the quality,

all of the things that you need to do. You only really get that from iterating on your craft, from doing things over and over and over again. But if you were to ask him now, or if you were to try and model his behavior now, you'd go, oh, there's this sort of a loop thing that's going on, it's like, bro, no one knows who you are. That Maynard Keenan can do that

because he's Maynard fucking Keenan. Right. You don't get to do that, is starting out band member that nobody has a clue what you do. I've seen the same thing. If you want to learn how to do something like so, for instance, in the sport that I'm involved in, Olympic style weightlifting, people look at the elite and they base their training off of what they perceive the elite are doing now. Right. and they base their training off of what they perceive the elite are doing now. Right? They may not even have an understanding of exactly what the elite was doing. They might have a few clips of what they're doing and say, oh, they do

this. I want to do that as well. Two of my most successful videos in YouTube history for me, both over 3 million views, are exactly about this thing. Is modeling your movements, your behaviors out of the top is actually one of the worst practices you can do rather than trying to model your behaviors over someone that might be slightly more successful than you, because that's much more attainable and that's much more realistic of a direction for you to go

And then you just keep on taking those small leaps and you make realizations about your process and how you would get better over time Rather than looking at Dimitri Klokov or Lu Zhaojun both of like the most famous waitlifters on YouTube and on Instagram and saying oh they do this I want to do that. Well, it's like you didn't see what they did before. Yeah, do what they did. Decades before. Do what they did when they were at your stage, not when they're at that stage. Exactly. I mean, that's that same. I can't remember the example. I think it was Warren Buffett where he talks about how, I think it's 60% of Berkshire Hathaway's wealth has come from 10 trades in his life. 10 trades, bro, to make more than half of the gains from Berkshire Hathaway.

I mean, one of them is Coca-Cola, and there was this wild story where he worked out the proportion of real estate inside of people's stomachs that Coca-Cola needed to take up in order to be able to get itself to the place that they wanted it to be. So, you know, he really, really, really, really searches this thing and he takes forever to make a decision and blah, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, well, yeah, that's really, really great, but I also seem to remember that he did a ton of businesses when he was in his teenagers. He was selling newspapers and cleaning cars and doing loads of stuff and he got, okay, that's what he did when he started out.

What are you doing when you're starting out? And I really think there's something there about mapping the journey, not mapping the successful strategies of people once they've reached that end destination or that, that sort of pinnacle thing. Speaking of which, monkey pox. You worried about monkey pox?

I haven't, I've only seen just like memes. Monkey pox, monkey pox. Monkey pox. Monkey pox. So monkey pox outbreak is primarily spreading through sex, world health officials say. European nations have confirmed dozens of cases in what's been the largest outbreak of monkeypox ever

on the continent according to the German military. I don't know why they're involved in this. The US has confirmed at least two cases and Canada has confirmed at least five. So it's the Belgium has introduced a mandatory 21-day quarantine for monkeypox. So if you get monkeypox and COVID, you're fucked. The most recent surging cases appears to have been spread among men who have had sex with other men.

So the first place that this came out of was a sauna in Madrid. So it's obviously, I don't know, a bunch of guys, maybe having a bit of fun in the sauna, and then one of them is, I mean, I wanna know, this is always the question. Like, who was the person that ate the pangolin or whatever, or the one that escaped from the lab or some shit that got? What is it, zero? Yeah, patient zero. Patient zero.

Yeah, I wanna know who, I wanna know how monkey pox come, because it's not interesting. Are you sure, are you sure you wanna know? Yeah, I can't. Are you sure? I can't, I don't wanna see it graphically, definitely not. But I do, I'm pretty, pretty intrigued. But yeah, so vaccines are available.

But it's just fascinating that you're talking about how many cases there are in Europe. And then there's this, it's actually transmitted, a new sexually transmitted infection. While the virus itself is not a sexually transmitted infection, which generally spread through semen and vaginal fluids, the most recent surging cases appears to have been spread amongst men who have had sex with other men,

emphasizing that anyone can contract monkeypox. Many diseases can be spread through sexual contact, you can get a cough or a cold through sexual contact, but it doesn't mean it's a sexually transmitted disease. Okay, so that's interesting. So it's not actually an STI, but it's just, it's just one of the ways that you can, that you can contract it. But yet now this is the new, this is a new, current thing that everybody needs to be concerned about.

Okay. Well, clarify that for me because maybe I'm just an idiot and didn't understand that. Can you get it for if you are not sexually active with other men or sexually active at all? Can you get monkey pox? Yes. Okay. All right.

So it's a chicken pox, it's now a virus. Is there a potential for a cure? Are we looking at it now? Is it a vaccine. Is there a potential for a cure? Are we looking at it now? Are we going to have a vaccine? Are we going to have a vaccine? There's a vaccine that already exists for it. Moncapox is a disease caused by a virus in the same family. It's smallpox, but not as severe.

Moncapox can kill as many as one in 10. The vaccine used to prevent smallpox appears to have an 85% effectivity rate regarding against monkeypox in observational data and research in Africa, World Health officials say. The vaccines aren't widely available, so it's important to reserve them for populations that are most at risk.

What does that mean? What does most at risk mean? Like the people that are just like the biggest players, like the ones that are able to slay. Like, hey, hey, who's the charred in this city? Come over here, we got to inoculate you. Like you do? Yeah, I got ahead to the CVS, man, get myself a vaccine real quick, because I've been getting a lot of action. Your boy, fucks, that's why. Yeah, it's your boy, fucks. I don't think that it's going

to be an uncontrolled spread in the same way that we've tolerated the COVID-19 epidemic, but there is a possibility that this has gotten into the community. If in fact, it's more pervasive than we're measuring right now, that becomes hard to snuff out. And they were concerned that this summer, because of all of the different festivals and stuff that we're going on, that people were just going to be spraying the monkey pox everywhere. Yeah, they're just going to be gooing everywhere. Spreading that pox. Hahaha.

Did you get chicken pox? Yeah, yeah, I've had it. Did you? So, yeah, so I had it. So there's something about the dormant, what's, I don't know what the virus is actually called, but it's like, it stays dormant in you. And then it can, like, it can wake up, I guess.

Is that not what shingles is? Is that not what happens? Yeah, but I thought that shingles was adult chicken pox. So if you hadn't had it as a kid and you don't have immunity, ooh, I'm pretty sure that that's what it is. It's kind of dangerous to not have had chicken pox as a kid.

Yes. No, I think it either won. So it's pretty much dormant for the rest of your life. Certain circumstances can make it wake up and then you get shingles. But I don't know, dude, monkey pox, I mean, sorry, it sounds funny. Well, it sounds like it's weird.

Because like chicken pox, we've just accepted that is that's just the name of it monkey pox. I would like to ridiculous name. I'm day you put an animal in front of the wood. Yeah, exactly it's a new one Johnny Depp trial man if you've been watching any of this. Mainly again, this is so pathetic because I feel like all of my answers if you heard about you heard about this? It's like, oh, either I heard of it through a meme or I saw a 25 second clip, to maybe a three minute clip on Instagram or TikTok. Maybe I am just one of the heard.

You do know that that's how pun intended. That is how most people get their news. Now, in fact, that probably makes you better informed than most people. Okay, well, you know, I like to consider myself, you know, above. Yeah, so, so, oh, yeah, what I've seen is actually, I somewhat loosely followed the herd depth controversy for a while. I know I heard like some horror stories earlier on and then as far as the trial goes,

I've again, it's just seen clips like the clip of Amber herd supposedly snorring cocaine during which is, you know, maybe she's doing that or maybe not, the fact that she took a shit in her own bed, but it was on Johnny's side. Little teach him. Yeah. Little teach you. Chris, the Leon had a had a had a great bed on that. Chris, the Leon is like, Hey, don't shit in your bed, your own bed. But what do you think? Like, I just want to know like what position she was in. Like was she was she squatting over the bed? Like feet were on the floor or was she on the bed squat? You've got to be she was holding onto the backboard. You've got to be on that you've got to be on the bed in full squat.

That's the only way to do it. Okay, so so what so she's an experienced third world squatter. Because that's not an easy task if you've never shit. She's got good mobility. Maybe she should consider transitioning to the sport of Olympic weightlifting if she can get herself all the way down to the bottom of a squat yet Honestly her mobility is good enough now to work with her. I'll I will DM I can start working with her I know that you've got I know that you've got Some bigger fish to fry at the moment, but once you've completed this court case, have you ever considered entering into the sport of Olympic weightlifting?

Ms. Herd, this could be your journey back into, because I'm not sure if you're aware, there is 4.5 million signatures on change.org to get Amber Herd replaced in Aquaman 2. Really? Dude, nearly 5. 4.5? Nearly 5 million people.

I think if it breaks, it's already one of the top petitions changes ever, right? And I don't know what the title is. In fact, like, I'm going to work this out. What is the most petitioned? Change.org You know miss heard look I just realized that in order to have Oh, fuck it was just sorry. Sorry. It's justice for George Floyd perhaps unsurprisingly 19 but that was 19 million people dude one quarter of the number of people that wanted justice for George Floyd one amber

Herds be removed from Aquaman 2. Oh my God. Come on, world. Yeah, uh, misheard. I realized that in order to shit in your own bed, uh, you would have to have the mobility to, you know, stand on a relatively unstable platform, mind you, and squat in what we would consider a deep squat position, something that's very optimal for the sport of Olympic weightlifting, in order to defecate on your own bed. So given that information,

you have the prerequisite to be a very fine athlete. How would you mind coaching from me? We'll take you to the top of the sport. It's heard if you are listening. If you are listening, we got it. But dude, here's another thing as well. Yeah, this has happened before that people want, because it takes so long to film a movie and then to edit a movie and then to publicize a movie,

it's like, do you realize how much work it would be to replace Amber Heard, shot for shot in a movie that's already been filmed? What do you wanna do? They did that with Crystal Lea. Well, yeah, but he wasn't one of the central characters, or was he? True, yeah, that's true.

I guess I didn't care enough about Aquaman, like, I can't bring him up Crystal Lea.. This is a Kristalia one. This is a great bit You got someone's like hey man. I watched Aquaman and and my response is What plane did you take? Because you only watch Aquaman on the plane and that's actually how I feel about it It's like I don't really care about it that much. I had no idea that Amber heard was in it. Yeah. Because because to me it's it's you know that there's a bit in the there's a bit in the trial where Johnny Depp suggests that the only reason the Amber heard got the role was because of him. So the the prosecution, the other attorney is saying to him, you didn't want Amber heard

to do any movies did you? You didn't want her to go out and have meetings, did you? And Johnny's like, no, didn't say that's all. I mean, how do you think she got the role for Aquaman? Of course I'm supporting her. And you're like, fuck, so he's suggesting basically that the only way she got it was through that. And yeah, dude, it's this whole thing is wild. You think about the fact that they're both

constantly recording each other. Think about that. That there's always recordings of each of them talking about stuff. Can we please bring up evidence number three, two, two, one, seven? You know, okay, where's this come from? Oh, it's one of them recording the other one,

like some secret agent shit. Oh, wait, audio recording? Yes. Throughout the whole trial. So they knew this was coming. I don't know why they were recording each other. That's my question. What is it? No, look, look, this is it. It's, you know, when you get into some sort of a toxic relationship, it's more important to show burden of proof of the other person's wrong doings later on. You know, it really, I mean, if you get into a supposed to be office face all the time,

I don't know whether he's got that. I don't know what they were doing it for. Maybe it was in case there's a court case, but there's recordings from 2015 and shit. Yeah, I mean, when I don't do it, people change when they get into really, really bad relationships. They do. They do things that they can't even write. I mean, I've been in bad relationships and I've done things where I'm like, that is not who I am. Like, you know, raised my voice. Like something like recording someone else to then garner some sort of advantage on them later on. That's absolutely possible, especially from someone who's not the manipulated one.

It's like, oh, well, this is the standard that we've set for this relationship. Yes. You know, it's like, I can go sneak and look on your phone because that's just what we do now. I can yell as loud as I can at you because we've done it once. We've done it a couple times. We can all do these things. I really think think that's the mark of the worst possible relationship is saving issues so that later on you can use them as ammo. Agreed. Yeah, I mean, you're also seeing now what happens behind the doors of people that Johnny

Depp seems to have come out of this. He's super charming. He seems like a really sweet guy. Amber heard seems super manipulative, but you can't say that it's a healthy relationship from either side. This isn't a very nice relationship or a good relationship to be in,

but you're right. What happens when someone does something, when there's a first mover and you begin to think, oh, well, this is the tone of the relationship that's been set now. Okay, so she did this, so I'm gonna do that. And then I'm gonna keep this one in my back pocket in case she brings up a different thing and then we can start.

That tit for tat game, I did a video about Sam Harris, ages ago about how I thought that this was a big deal that you have this sort of ever increasing intensity spiral of tit for tat and words for words for words for words. And that's how relationships end up, like tons of relationships I've been in end up like that but it's just what happens when you see people who are super super highly strong. Johnny it sounds like was on a good bit of drugs and all sorts of different other addictions and shit that he had to and he was falling asleep by the side of the bed

and doing all sorts of things. He go, well, when you layer all of this together with some ego and a $300 million net worth, what do you expect? That's gonna hit the fan. Yeah, all the bed. Yes, nailed it. Also, Kate Moss is giving evidence this week.

And Amber heard apparently was dating Elon Musk at one point, and then there was another time that James Franco came round to the house. It's just a litany of, I don't know, weird, famous people that are getting drawn in. So, what do we, what do we think? Why do we get Pamela Randerson in? Pamela, what do you think about this?

We'll get you in as an expert witness for this particular cake. People that I didn't think would have anything to do with it, but apparently they do. Yeah, well, you know, like it's just the, I love the take that I see it's on so many comments. It's like Hollywood is not real. These people are ego-tistical narcissists. And no one really cares what they do.

It's almost like we watch to see the demise of it. But there's always someone who's like, why do we give a shit about the Hollywood elites? They're not real. They're the scariest people on earth because they're like, they're just represented. They're just, everything they do is character of something. Yeah. Well, I think I would probably say that what I've seen at least of Johnny Depp, either Johnny is one of the finest actors that's ever graced the planet, or that's really the way that he is.

You seem very consistent throughout the trial, like you super calm, you're super chill. But with Amber Hird, you do see that real discordance between maybe the person she thinks she's supposed to be, the person that she's playing. All of that was really uncomfortable. And yeah, I don't know. There's this whole group of people at the moment. Who's Michigan Kelly seen at the moment? Who's that chick? Thingy Fox, Megan Fox. Jennifer Fox. Megan Fox. Megan Fox. Jennifer. Megan Fox. Jennifer Fox. So like they Megan Fox, Jennifer Fox. So like they were in the news the other week because they were doing blood rituals, like swapping blood.

Yes, yes. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that Johnny Depp said that they'd done something similar early on in the relationship. And then dude, it wouldn't surprise me. If I could put money down right now, Jared Leto is going to have something come out about him within the next five to 10 years. Oh, yeah. I mean, it already has become that for sure. The way I was made aware of it was

Phillyon. Yeah, I saw the same video. Yeah, so that's where I was made aware of it. He is wildly creepy when they compile all of these interviews and these weird things he said. And yeah, I would not be surprised either. That's a great call. That's, I would give you, you know, big odds. Big odds. Just to that.

Yeah, I, yeah. I don't know, man. There is something about this that just makes me think. But then you also think about the fact that the, uh, who is Epstein's Enabler, who is the chick that he did that with, uh, Jolaine Maxwell. Jolaine Maxwell case, not publicized at all, no, uh, daily trial, no video, none of that. Johnny Depp and Amber heard it literally is just like someone waving the big red flag like look at this, look at this, don't look over here, don't look over here, not a lot to look over here. That stuff pisses me off so much, man. It really, really does

like they're just the silencing of things that can damage and hurt people that aren't in Hollywood, but are in majorly powerful positions, not just in the US, but worldwide, being the economy that we are, the powerhouse economy. It's, that stuff is ridiculous. And when you start going down that rabbit hole, it's just only frustration from there on out. Do you know what's really frustrating as well is how quickly the internet seems to pivot from hashtag me to to hashtag men to? That now, I understand that men to is a response to the me to being

over like potentially overblown in some people's eyes and that the amber herd Johnny Depp trial is look men can be the victims of DV as well, They can be the people that are being socially manipulated, psychologically manipulated. They can be hurt. You need the others finger chopped off when she threw a vodka bottle at him. But it doesn't add in what people haven't realized is, look, that particular style of thinking, believe all women, was maybe a little bit too low resolution, right, as has been shown in this case in front of us. Doing the opposite doesn't suggest that it's any better. That's just as low resolution thinking.

But see, is this not just how everything in the world works? You can't just go, absolutely, this is the team. Absolutely this is the team. And just let the pendulum swing back and forth. I have no need to call it like. I have no need to call it like. Yeah, like foam finger holding. That's what I call it.

The people that go to the game, they just go, woo, that's my team. The liberals, the Democrats, or the Republicans conservatives. Like that's my team. I root for them no matter what. Yeah, and the pendulum swinging is just nauseating. You know, I saw this movie Men yesterday. Was it any good?

I don't know. It was by Alex Garland who made X Machina and Annihilation, two of like movies that I really like. It was pretty good, it was, you know, thrilling, but the story behind it or what it was mentioning was, you know, the faults of men that aren't being taken by men, you know, so it's more along the lines with the me too movement.

It's like there are characters in it that treat the main character like every, you know, patriarchal trope, the nice guy, you know, the nice guy trope. There's like the gas lighter, there's like the sexual worshiper, and it's very obvious in that way. And the funniest thing is I'm watching this, and from my perspective, I could see seven different characters of females because I've been in situations where the opposite has happened to me. Right. So it does not, it's not, oh, believe all men, believe all women.

It's like believe some men, believe some women, but you know, like, or don't believe any of them until they prove themselves or how about this? Things are not storyline. Things will always remain gray. The best stories are actually the best movies are the ones that are like, this must be the good character, right? This must be the good guy.

This must be the bad guy. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, the bad guy, I can't understand why he did that. Oh, the good guy, like, why is he doing that shitty thing? You know, it's like, those are the best. The ones where you question the characters and in doing so, you question yourself. And I've always found that sort of thing fascinating

but it's infuriating. Like you said, to just see the pendulum go from one side to the other, I see it on every social media platform. But it's easier, right? It's easier to have low resolution thinking. All that you need to do is go, well, here is a one-size-fits-all answer. You see this in the Red Pill community as well.

They've got their answers for what it is that women are after. They go, well, I don't know, man, like that doesn't fit with my experience of women in the real world. And maybe I just happened to have managed to live 34 years and have a really unrepresented experience. Or maybe I just happened to have managed to live 34 years and have a really unrepresented experience. Or maybe there's something about me that's selecting for a different type of people that I speak with.

But I've met a million people stood on the front door of nightclubs. That's a pretty big sample size. Met a lot of women, right? Working in nightlife. And they would be the ones that would be thrown under the buses, oh well, they're the most club ratty, hoey, low moral girls that you're going to find. Well, it didn't seem that way to me.

So what do you, but no, no, no, no, it's significantly easier to just have a one-size-fits-all answer because you never ever have to question your assumptions again. Yeah, and the boys versus girls, girls versus boys on TikTok, Instagram, you know, anything is just incessant. It is non-stop. It is, you know, it's always a one-size-fits-all thing. And what's problematic is if you do it, if you disguise these things, these binary understandings of left, right, whatever. If you disguise it with memes and with clever, funny, and timing, it's all about timing, doing it first,

and being funny, or it's all about being contrarian. If you disguise all of those things, and someone calls you out and says, hey, man, what about this gray area? You go, oh, it was just a joke, dude. Take it easy. You know, are you really gonna say that all men aren't bad at a time like this?

It's like, well, why can't I? You know, or vice versa. Not all women are bad at a time, you know, when something comes up. So I always think that that happens, and it's just so prevalent in social media, it's like you really gotta cut through all of that. Well, you gotta think,

certainty and black and white thinking and a pithy, well-rounded, snappy tagline, sounds a lot like wisdom and insight and understanding. Like that's a good proxy for those things. It's not those things, but it sounds like what someone that actually knew what they were talking about would say. And I think that that's one of the reasons that it catches fire online because a platform like Twitter or TikTok specifically isn't built to have longer-form discussions.

It's built to optimize for pithiness, right? It's built to be optimized for shortness. So what you end up with is not necessarily the argument, which is the most right, it's the one that is the most believable or sounds the most right. And that gets filtered through all sorts of things. People use fluency as a proxy for truthfulness. So that's why the people that have great delivery presidents that have amazing to eye, did not have sexual relations with that one. Like Bill Clinton got away

with all sorts because he had fucking great delivery. So okay, how do you sort of pull these things apart? And yet you have an entire internet of people that are able to have way too much spare time, but people still get seduced by the same things. Do you feel like the internet has evolved into this thing where it's all about relatable? It's all about, oh, my face when, my face when this happens, or I feel like almost all of TikTok is relating a life experience to other people. And maybe that's how things have always been, but it's meme and meta culture has literally taken almost every single aspect of the internet at this point.

You're the expert on TikTok, man. That is one of the things I'm so glad that I didn't, I haven't developed that compulsion. You know, of all of the other, the dictionaries online that I've got, I'm so glad the TikTok wasn't one of them. I'm slowing down, for sure. I'm definitely slowing down.

It was definitely really intriguing at first, but I always observe it through a critical lens. Like I'm always criticizing whatever the idea is, but the girls versus boys, boys versus girls think. There's problems on either side of that debate. And what I'm able to do when I look at TikTok is observe the comments, see where I disagree, decide what I, you know, rather than a lot of people, it's just confirmation bias, right? It's just, oh, I believe that thing, they did a really funny video that was quirky and timed up really nicely with my life.

Let me just repost it to my Instagram story really quickly. Okay, that, I believe that things like that can eventually do more harm than good. And that's not why I use TikTok. I just use it to just observe and see what's going on on the internet. There are some really funny, just stupid, comedy viral videos still.

So I'm always down to watch stuff like that, but it is a good platform for observation. Twitter, on the other hand, is something that I don't think I could ever get into. Interesting. I don't even know if I really tried. Yeah, I quite like Twitter. Speaking of which I got sent this thread by Rob Henderson earlier on, which is really interesting, could the matching imbalance on Tinder and other dating apps be a factor in the rise of the

in-sell movement and young men reporting low sexual activity? So there's a graph here that says the young men, a share of men and women between the ages of 18 and 30 reporting no sex in the past year. And that has gone up from 10% to 30% for men since around about 2010 to 2020 to now. So over the last decade, the number of men reporting no sex in the last year has tripled. And the line on the graph has got where Tinder is introduced and it is exactly when men

wear that inflection for men beginning to go from the 10% to the 28%. Women also actually stay flat for a little while but have increased, which is also very interesting. Wealth in which is also very interesting. Wealth in Tinder is not distributed equally. Attractive guys have more wealth in the Tinder economy. They get more likes than unattractive guys. That's the bottom 80% of men, bottom 20% of women, top 80% of women, top 20% of men think, which a lot of people are familiar with.

There's a thing called a guinea coefficient or a guinea coefficient, which works out how much inefficiency there is within a system. So it's used to look at economies within countries. And the lower that the number is the more equality there is within wealth distribution. So if modern dating apps were a country, it would be one of the most unequal in the world. The Tinder economy has a higher genie coefficient than 95.1% of the countries in the world. It's just below South Africa. It's above Venezuela and just below South Africa. That's where it sits. According to open source data, a man of average attractiveness can only be expected to be liked by slightly less than 1% of females, 0.87% on Tinder, this equates to one like

for every 115 females, and men in the bottom 10% see just one match per week at most. Ultimately most women only swipe on a handful of men per day while men are more freewheeling with their swipes. So yeah, men, females pass on 95% and like on five and men are basically 50, 50 left and right. It's just, so we, we, we had talked about Tinder before and one thing that I think is actually really interesting was before Tinder, there were websites like e-harmony. You remember that? And the way that we looked at it,

the guys in my friend group, the people my age, we looked at it as like, oh, what a weird fucking idea. Online dating, super weird, you're weird. Like it was just kind of like, what the hell? And then here's Tinder, this fun little swiping thing. It's kind of about hookups, it's everyone, it's a meme, right? It's a, it's a, it's like a meta commentary.

It's just like, this is hilarious. We're, we're swiping, it's hilarious, we match. Oh, what's up? Like, and then almost immediately after that, online dating becomes something serious. It becomes something like, well, I haven't gotten any dates. Let me go online. There was really,

there's really not much resisting to whether it's cool or not. You can resist whether you wanna do it or whether it's legit or not, or if the masses are doing it. But if someone says, hey, I'm on hinge, or I'm on Tinder, they're not gonna get made fun of,

because it's just the masses are doing that. Whereas eHarmony and match.com, like if you had done that at the time where they were very prevalent for, I think older generations, it was definitely seen as a weird thing. That's the same thing. That way.

But anything though, right? There's adoption. Adoption curves have absolutely. But it wasn't like e-harming. It wasn't like we all jumped on e-harmony. We all jumped on the hook up app. That required zero effort that made this. The location services was, I think, the thing.

You are in the same location as that person. Here's a picture of them. Do what you want with it, rather than this kind of weird, almost like my spacey type of AOL vibe to it, which you would get from eHarmony and mash.com. Yeah. Maybe on the tender thing, you get this more, you get this handheld, you know, location services, this app on your device that you use or experience.

Less boomery. Well, why do you think it would be that the introduction of Tinder would increase the number of men reporting no sex? You think it's just women, do you think that what this guy's implying in the thread is because of this high inequality that women are sort of whiskedfully chasing after the eight out of tens and above for guys and they're not giving any attention to the dudes at the bottom, because you would have presumed maybe if you hadn't been able to work out what was actually gonna go on, everyone's talking to everyone more, that should facilitate more casual

sex for everybody overall, but what it seems has happened is the gains have been sort of accrued to the very few superchads at the top. And then there's this big sexless, underclassive men that is now 30% of men reporting no sex within the last year. Yeah, I mean, more matches for the female would mean, you know, why would you take the male that you're less attracted to? Right, like, why would you take the male that you're less attracted to?

Why would you take the opportunity? If you know you can match with more and more and more and more people, you're going to leave out a very large chunk of other people where men apparently do not have that option. So yeah, I mean, they're just chasing after the potential match that they know is more likely going to happen. Maybe if those two people meet, like, this is also another thing. Women are, and men are now looking at their potential mate through the lens of looks. Whereas before, you might not think someone is attractive until there's some

sort of action that makes them attractive. whether that's someone in your class or You know someone you go to the gym with or whatever That interaction is what makes them attractive and then you're looking at someone who if you saw their Tinder profile or if you saw their hinge profile you would not have swiped So maybe that's occurring less You know potential mates, like you just had on a guest who said that the worst quality to look for for a long term relationship is looks. Conventional attractiveness. Yeah. And that is exactly what people are looking at when they get these apps. Well, I think that this probably explains a big chunk of why relationships

are now increasingly short, and this is something that people don't necessarily see. So it's easy to say there is now a global sexual marketplace. Anybody with an Instagram account or a Tinder account can basically be in the entire world's sexual marketplace, right? They can be dating somebody in Guatemala or Bali or Germany or wherever they want. And therefore, that means that people are made switching more easily because the friction of doing that is lower and because the number of competitors for whoever your mate is is significantly higher now.

And that women will lily pad from one guy to one guy, from one chad to one chad to the next one. Now the thing that Seth Stevens-Devidoet said that was really interesting is that the algorithms can predict what you're going to click on unbelievably well. They will be able to predict with like insane accuracy whether you'll swipe left or right on someone and the algorithms can do basically nothing to work out whether or not you'll have long-term happiness and whether relationship will last long term. So for the people that didn't see the episode, the things that are most often used as cues for whether or not some on will swipe right or left are things like height, conventional attractiveness, wealth level, and job. Those are some of the most common things that are used.

These have zero, basically zero correlation with whether or not a relationship is happy long term. Those things were psychological stability, conscientiousness, a growth mindset, a bunch of other things. None of which can be displayed on a Tinder profile. I can't tell whether you've got a growth mindset or whether you're somebody that's psychologically stable. Yeah, precisely. In fact, you might be able to try and signal precisely that through your looks and then have the complete opposite. You can put window dressing up as much as you want. So my point being that what people are doing now is optimizing for the wrong parameters.

People are optimizing for things which are completely arbitrary when it comes to long-term relationship happiness. For girls, things like height, I think it's something like 80% of women on hinge have their height limit set to 6 foot or above for men. That's less than 10%, I want to say, less than 10 or 15% of men in the United States are above six foot and yet that and height has zero predictive ability when it comes to looking at long term relationship happiness. Imagine you saying to me, dude, I only date girls who are a size four and a half shoe. I'll be like, why?

Why? I know that this has no bearing on whether or not you're going to be happy in this relationship, but you just pick this arbitrary thing because it's become captured by the culture that girls that are size four and a half feet. Do you know what? I have a great, I almost have a reasoning for that having, and this is anecdotal, but I feel as though girls hold more of an animus towards these dating apps. So they say, look, if I'm gonna get on hinge, I'm gonna get the best of the best. And if it doesn't work, no problems

for me, I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit if I get one match, if I get 10 matches, I don't care. I'm on this thing to not get fucked over, but if I'm gonna get someone, they better be tall, they better be good looking, they better be this, this, and this, where maybe it's not the same approach for men, right? I can honestly say that I've heard many, many women just say like, it's almost like the dating app owes them for being on.

Because they resent the fact that they maybe have a million. They resent the idea that they're there, yes. That's interesting. That's absolutely, that has to be it, right? I mean, then men are on there because it's like, well, fuck, I haven't gotten laid. I'm not sure that it has to be. I think that would be really interesting.

Or I really want to leave. I want to mate or something like that. And I really hope this works. You know, I don't think, I think it's less likely that a male is going to be on there and be resentful for it. I don't know, man. You know, the guys seem to be very resentful of online dating as well now.

Well, they don't like it, but I think their approach to it is less of, well, if I don't get the best looking girl, I don't give a shit. Oh, yeah. Well, that's inevitable because the fact that guys are the protagonists and girls are the gatekeepers, right? That's always the way that it's going to be. You know, I mean, hinges designed, hinges designed the whole novelty around hinges

that it flips that imbalance on its head because typically it's the guy that messages first and on a hinge it has to be the other way around. I think. No, that's bumble, that's bumble. So bumble is, bumble, yes, bumble, but you know, it starts the one I meant. Right. Yeah. Where you go, well, the power dynamics being shifted because for precisely this reason, because to avoid girls from having too many incoming messages from guys that they're

whatever, like, erroneously accidentally swiped right on a, or some shit. But yeah, man, it's, um, it's really interesting. I just don't feel very positive, I think, about the world of online dating at the moment. I just don't see it getting any better. You know, I even had Logan Yuri. I had Hinge's director of relationship science on, so she's a lady that's in charge of looking at how the apps facilitate relationships long-term. And she had some great that's in charge of looking at how the apps facilitate relationships long-term. And she had some great points to put across. She's very keen into intentional dating, being deliberate with what am I looking for? Why is it so on and so forth. But

the apps simply can't get around the fact that people tend to optimize for the wrong parameters now. They tend to optimize for stuff that doesn't have any predictive power. And how would you create an app that was able to gauge someone's growth mindset or the psychological stability? So did you see the Black Mirror episode? No. Okay, so this is fantastic. Basically, it's two people that go to this camp thing or whatever it is.

And what happens is the algorithm or the machine pairs you up with someone. And then based off of your date, they determine how long you are to spend with that person. And sometimes it says, you will be with this person for the next six months. You will be with this person for the next six years. You will be with this person for the next 12 hours. And at the end of it, you absolutely must change partners. And I'm spoiling it. So I don't care. It's been out for like seven years. Yes. And what happens is this guy ends up falling in love. And then they say, you are only to be together for like the next four months or something like that. I can't.

I don't know the exact thing. If you break the rules, you are not allowed to break the rules. It's kind of like the sci-fi feeling to it. What happens is they have to break up. He says, fuck the rules. Fuck all this. We're going to escape together. He grabs her and they make this big run away from the camp or whatever.

They climb this big wall And then everything just dematerializes around them and what they realize is or what you realize at the end is that they were just a couple of AIs that were running through a machine to see if two couples in real life not in this AI world that they created were meant to be together they they went over all of the things that the intangibles that can't be done in an app. So this would be something that you would have to do. You'd have to create a very scalable AI version of other people and be able to match them and put them through the real test, the longing for one another when they can't be together.

Like put them through the real test. And if they, and if it ends up working out in that little AI world, you'll say this person is a 97.1% match, so on and so forth. That would be the only way to do that. Simulated Tinder. It would be, yeah, but the problem is that you, you know, you have the, these AI,

they live these conscious lives only to fulfill our needs to find the right mate. But I mean, you're right. We, as of right now, we can only look at these simple ass metrics that really aren't that important. It's usually just what they look like. Like you said, their height, physical attractiveness. What they can write in a bio. And what they can write in a bio,

is it clever enough to make me giggle? Can they break the ice right when they message me? All shit that doesn't matter, two years into a relationship, and you gotta figure out who's gonna take care of certain things around the house and all these things. None of that shit matters. Yeah, or it's a pandemic.

It's a pandemic. And you need to work out how you two are going to deal with being apart from each other or living in a house together with each other, like going back and looking at someone's Tinder profile and comparing that with the experience. Yeah, precisely. Oh my god. Yeah, and it is so bizarre when you think about it, you're like, it's all window dressing. And none of these things that you're looking at in the window are actually things that matter for long-term happiness. Conventional attractiveness has zero predictive power

for long-term relationship success. Like what the fuck? What the fuck? It doesn't matter how loudly you say that. It doesn't matter how loudly or how many times you say that. I'm pretty sure it's been said many times before, and it's only getting more and more important. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

And also, on both sides of the fence here, it's increasingly, for all that the body positivity movement and that sports illustrated covers come out, and this is what fitness looks like from self.com and the future of healthiness or whatever it was on cosmopolitan. For all of that, I don't really see anybody on the apps actually changing their personal preferences. It's like, okay, so you're happy to share this front cover on your Twitter account and yet you're still

swiping left and right on exactly the same people when it comes to your own personal preferences. Be careful what you say Chris because you're spitting facts and it is very funny. It's like, oh, you really are accepting of all body types, but when it comes to dating apps, all the sudden, you don't want any pardon that. But yeah, I mean, look, this is really funny because I just saw this today. It's Tim Dylan, basically, he's saying, it doesn't matter the organization. They don't, when they grow to have enough power

and enough eyes on them, they can never care about you as an individual. And, you know, those people that are putting out, you know, this is beautiful and all these virtue signaling things is like, if you are truly about that cause, give all your money to charity. If you are truly or or show, you know, you, they just utilize it purely as something that would drive clicks. That will, you know, Jordan Peterson did more for that Sports Illustrated magazine

than anyone else could have. Yeah. They, dude, the CEO or the editor-in-chief for Sports Illustrated should go and thank Jordan Peterson. They probably haven't had that many clicks in ages. For fuck's sake, I clicked on it. I was like, whoa, oh shit. The swimsuit edition is out. Let's see, I clicked on it. I was like, whoa, oh shit. The swimsuit edition

is out. Let's see what's going on here. I want to see who the woman is that he thinks is not attractive. Of course, I'm going to do that, you know. It is, so it is, you're still right, man. Like, they must be split testing what gets the most clicks for this. The fashion companies that are using plus size models, you'll notice that they never use skinny fat guys. So they'll have normal dudes. Oh my God, did you see this the other day? So it was so funny.

One of my guys, one of my guy mates tweeted this from the UK about how it was different types of underwear. One was for men and one was for women, and the women was women of all sizes, and the dudes were shredded out of existence, and it was just like a comparison of the women's underwear and the guys' underwear, and all of the guys were absolutely ripped. Bro, that kind of sucks, dude.

That kind of sucks. Like, look, I guess, maybe sucks dude that kind of sucks like look I guess maybe it's not masculine of me, but to have that be the standard from in and to not be like hey It's accepting it's acceptable for a man to do that because hey look like Someone you know said this the other day and and it was a woman. She said like you know I sometimes misinterpret This we can give as much shit as we want to men because they're meant, you know, it's like we misinterpret it. It's like they should be able to handle that. You know, we have looked at a society where,

you know, we look at through the lens of the quote unquote patriarchy. And so we, dude, I've just put it in the chat. Have a look at this thing. So I have a look at the difference between it's Maya and the women's lingerie and the cards lingerie. Wait, this is the exact same. Is this the same page or did they cut it? No, this is the same page. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha You know what what is that fucking say man? What does it say to to men? It's like oh yeah like you guys don't need to be Baby that all ever you don't need compliments you you know oh your feelings are hurt

Well, you're a man can you tell for the people that are just listening can you describe the image all right so look For the people that are just listening, can you describe the image? All right, so look. So look, we have the women of all sizes on top. We have women of all ages for sure on top. You know, we have an older lady on the right, a couple older ladies in the middle. And ethnicities, definitely. All ethnicities, men, shredded, shredded, shredded chicken,

absolutely, dickkin peeled. Okay, well, it looks like we have a couple different races here and then shredded. Well, no, it's not a couple of different races. There's only one like slightly caramel guy, but that's the same dude twice. Oh, that's the same dude. That's the same dude twice. Great. How about in the middle is ready to step on stage.

He's peeled out of his mind. Yeah. This is not, uh, yeah, the acceptable. But this is interesting. They have, um, this is different brands. So are they pulling from? Are these like Meyer, uh, models or what's the deal here? I'm not sure. Sometimes, sometimes, uh, e-commerce sites will have their, they'll get products from a bunch of different brands, then they'll shoot it in their style, right? Like ASOS does this. ASOS has ASOS models, even though they might have night clothes. So it doesn't really matter that it's different brands. This is fucked up, man. How fucking wild is that?

It's so blatant. But anyways, to finish what I was saying is this idea that this woman had brought this to my attention, she's like, I do tend to just not really give as much of a shit about men's feelings because it's always worried about women's feelings and a lot of times we can brush it off. And that is a mistake that I've made and I try not to make anymore. And it's the same thing here. It's like, well, we have to absolutely worry about body dysmorphia in men.

Because the moment that men begin to think that their bodies aren't as acceptable as they could or should be, they can develop problems that, they usher out into real life. And we've seen this in bodybuilding in my world, in fitness, like the people that are constantly commenting on another dude's body, like they do have problems

within their own worlds. This isn't just men towards women. It could be women towards women or men towards other men. And it happens a lot of men towards other men. But dude, think about what we said on the last one, which is slut-shaming, the amount of slut-shaming that goes from women to women, the amount of people who are anti-abortion or pro-life,

by and large, it's women, the vast majority of comments that are done about other women's appearances done from women to women. And yeah, like this is where the whole battle of the genders thing. Yeah, you can't just be this thing where it's like men versus women or women versus women. Men versus women versus men. It really is problematic. And it's so fucking weird. It's like I had this realization on TikTok because it's like the Gen. It's like I had this realization on tiktok

because it's like the Gen Z kids, the kiddos out there. Like you're noticing a lot of women who are just like they're playing on it. They're not actually serious but they always vocalize it's like having a crush on a woman now. Like women are much more vocal about being sexually interested in other women because of their disdain for men in general because we have the men versus girls girls versus yeah, men versus girls girls, whatever, you know that that war going on between the two of them, it's just so apparent. And the same could be said on the opposite side like the the idea of, oh, she's for the streets. You know what I mean? What's up, man?

It's like if a woman does something that's slutty, she's for the streets. Pick your head up, King, like focus on yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like the meme language that kind of surrounds it. And they both have their flaws, you know, but it's always, it's, for me, the only reason I'm bringing it up is because like,

I don't see that changing. And I think you told me this before, you like, that's where you have your Issue Zach is that you call to action a culture shift, which is just like an almost impossible task. Yes. I do that a lot on my videos. I go, I wish as a culture we could do this thing better, or pointing out this flaw

in some sort of fitness charlatan, and I'm wishing that we could do this thing better. And for some reason, I forget what your point was or who brought it to your attention, but it's like calling to action this massive culture of shift is not always the answer, where it's not even remotely the answer, or it'll never work. I just don't think that it's realistic because you don't have like a God's eye coordination for this. You know, what you would need to do would be able to sit

everybody down and say, look, here are some interesting insights, guys and girls about where you think your repression or your vulnerability or your difficulties come from. And a lot of them are calls that are coming from inside of your own fucking house, right? Women who will, for the most part, presume that I would guess if you were to do a survey of women, they would think that slut-shaming, anti-abortion rhetoric and body-shaming mostly comes from men.

It doesn't. It comes from women. And guys, like most of the guys that are having the piss taken out of them about the way that they look or about how strong they are, about how nudely their arms are and stuff, that it's not girls that are saying that. It's your bros, it's your bro friends or the people that aren't even your friends, right?

Like that's where the vast majority of attention, but this gender war thing that we've got that's going on at the moment, it gets clicks, right? Because it creates an easy in-group and out-group. You know, maybe after race, it's the most prevalent and most obvious in-group and out-group that there is. Yeah, and then, you know, you would assume that is part of like the, you know, the non-binary discussion as well. You can create in-group out-group easily there. Well, there's a million different in-groups and out-groups if you do that.

Look, Z, let's bring this one home, man. People want to keep up to date with the shit that you're doing. Where should they go? Please go to my YouTube channel. I discuss things all things fitness, a little bit of a, you know, a focus on the Olympic style weightlifting, but I try to focus on general fitness. focus on Olympic style weightlifting, but I try to focus on general fitness. My Instagram, coach, underscore ZT, if you want programming, I have general programming, I've squat programming

for what you wanna do in the gym, go to patreon.com slash Zach Tellender. And I think that's it. That's all. That's it, man. Relax for the cameras