Modern Wisdom - #510 - Zack Telander - Men Are Taking More Viagra Than Ever

Episode Date: August 8, 2022

Zack Telander is a weightlifter, coach & YouTuber. More serious problems are afoot. The number of men using viagra is at al time highs, BatGirl has been cancelled, Beyonce has become an ableist abuser, a basketball star gets jailed in Russia and TikTokers are wearing blasphemous bikinis. Obviously, me and Zack must fix all of this. Expect to learn how long you can flog a dead franchise before it stops making money, how men can think themselves into performance anxiety, whether a Russian arms dealer is worth a WNBA player, how many times Demi Lovato can announce a change of pronouns, whether Addison Rae would wear an Adidas Burqa and much more... Sponsors: Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 4.0 at https://www.manscaped.com/ (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 15% discount on Craftd London’s jewellery at https://bit.ly/cdwisdom (use code MW15) Get 30% discount on your at-home testosterone test at https://trylgc.com/modernwisdom (use code: MODERN30) Extra Stuff: Subscribe to Zack's YouTube Channel -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC94_fvLx7abZgs9LIkM7jxw  Get Zack's Program for $1 - https://www.patreon.com/zacktelander Follow Zack on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/coach_zt Check out Zack's WeFunder - https://wefunder.com/the.weight.movie.llc  Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello everybody, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Zack Talander. He's a weightlifter, coach and a YouTuber. More serious problems are a foot. The number of men using Viagra is at all time highs. Batgirl has been cancelled. Beyoncé has become an ableist abuser, a basketball star gets jailed in Russia, and TikTokers are wearing blasphemous bikinis.

Obviously, me and Zack must fix all of this. Expect to learn how long you can flog a dead franchise for before it stops making money, how men can think themselves into performance anxiety in the bedroom, whether a Russian arms dealer is worth a WNBA player, how many times Demi Lovato can announce a change of pronouns, whether Addison Ray would wear an added Asperger,

and much more. Don't forget, you might be listening, but you might not be subscribed, and you're my least favorite kind of person. If you're doing that, come on, go to your little podcast app, open it up, press the subscribe button, the little plus in the top corner and apple podcasts or a follow on Spotify. It supports the show, it makes sure that you never miss an episode when they go up, and it makes me very happy. I thank you. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome... Zack Telander. Zach Talanda, welcome to the show.

We're here. We're both here again. And every time I want your show, I'm closer to you. So for the people who aren't aware, we live together and you are sat on the other side of that wall. I don't have an in-person recording setup, so we're doing it this way, which is virtually, but also kind of in-person and we can kind of hear each other through the doors. Yeah, that's the most concerning part as I can hear you through the door.

It's wise. It's wise. But it's all good. It's all good, baby. Double Chris, how are you doing? You good? I'm good, man. I'm good.

Had a good week so far, good content. I don't know, man, so much has happened since I was last on the show, but it's hard to know exactly what has happened because you and I live together. So I'm talking about it all the time. Yeah, I can't really update you, but yeah, still doing the same thing

you're doing the same thing even better better and brighter bigger bigger guests and also being on Joe Rogan too Those wild wild experience. Yeah, man Absolutely wild It's been strange. I mean it's the number one podcast in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and England, or the UK at the moment. It's the number one podcast episode in all of those places, which is, it's just a terrifying way.

No way. Yeah. Wow. That's because I shared it. You think? Yeah. I got you the most shared tag on Spotify. Good, I'm glad.

I'm glad to have you. You're welcome. Other things that have been happening in countries outside of ours, WNBA star Brittany Griner sentenced to nine years in Russian prison. So I saw that. I didn't really dive deep into that. But does that mean that she still can't get extradited or traded for? So this is the most recent update.

This is from Daily Wire. WNBA star Brittany Griner was sentenced to nine years in a Russian prison on Thursday. Russian prosecutors had argued that Griner who was convicted of sneaking marijuana, vaping materials into the country should serve nine and a half years in prison. So she saved half a year, I guess.

The request came during closing arguments in a court outside Moscow, nearly six months after the six foot nine inch WNBA star was nabbed in their port with contraband. The US has been trying to negotiate her release, reportedly considering offering a notorious Russian arms dealer imprisoned here as a trade.

So I'm not sure if that guy is maybe going to be swapped out for her or something, but it's a difficult situation. I mean, do you want to let a notorious Russian arms dealer go? No. Do you want a WNBA star that had a vape cartridge on her get jailed for nine years in a Russian goo like? Also, no. Kind of hard to thread the needle.

I never meant to hurt anybody and I never meant to put in jeopardy the Russian population. I never meant to break any laws here, Griner said, prior to the delivery of the verdict in Kim Key City Courthouse, I made an honest mistake and I hope that you're ruling, that in your ruling it doesn't end my life here. I know everybody keeps talking about political porn

and politics, but I hope that is far from this courtroom. Blah blah blah, she said that she only brought them to Russia by mistake. Only used kind of, this is it. Granted, who plays for the WNBA's Phoenix Mercury had flown to Russia to finish a season for UMMC Ekaterinburg when she was arrested, team compete. So she was over there playing, dude. Can you imagine accidentally having not even on purpose thinking, oh, I can fly a vape

cartridge in and then getting nine years in Russia. She's been there for six months already. She's already detained nine years in prison. Yeah, so I think a lot of the WMBA stars, the best of the WMBA, they go to other countries to make more money. I think they pay athletes for women's basketball, and particularly a lot more. So a lot of women do this. This is a very common practice. But this is also not just Russia

that has rules like this, a lot of Middle Eastern countries. Doesn't Bali have like crazy drug rules as well? Like Thailand is death if you're caught with the wrong drug. I think they still have the death sentence for people that are caught with the wrong drug. James was telling me about some guy who had some marijuana and I think it was in Singapore. And I'm not entirely sure what country it was. I know it was Southeast Asia and he had whipping. They whipped him.

No, or like fucking what? A certain amount of lashes, yes. What is this? Are we on a pirate ship? Is this the 1700s? What's going on? Dude, and then he was telling me another story about how, well, he had a bunch of stories about this because he's covered it a lot,

but there was a guy who, he was a football coach, so soccer coach, and he was taking his buddy to the airport, okay? And I think it was Dubai or something. And his buddy messaged him on WhatsApp saying, Hey, by the way, I have a CBD pen that I left in your car. And the authorities were able to hack that message and arrested him like they stopped his car, took him out of there, found the CBD or whatever. And I think he's rotting in jail. What is that? I think this one is a Middle Eastern country.

Right, okay. But again, I'm not entirely sure what the, he said it was like a football coach or something like that. Dubai and the United States Emirates is somewhere you do not want to get caught with drugs. So I remember reading the story a few years ago about a guy that had a trace amount of marijuana on the bottom of his shoe.

On the bottom of his shoe, so he'd stood in maybe some marijuana. Maybe it was his, maybe it wasn't. He was jailed for that. I've got another news story here, which is from April 2021. American facing years into by prison after cannabis traces found in urine. A man who legally enjoyed some cannabis in his home of Las Vegas is now facing three years in prison in the night. Our Emirates have to be in court with traces of it in his urine. Peter Clark

flew to Dubai on February 24th on a business trip looking for a recording studio of the retired game designer, then went to hospital following a pancreatitis attack. He was reported to authorities when doctors found her sheesh traces in his urine, which is considered possession in the UAE. Oh my god. Oh my God. Oh my God. That is insane. That is insane.

That's crazy, dude. Medic, medic. They were probably forced to do that, right? It wasn't like, like it's part of their job. I'm sure. I think they'll probably get a blight. They would be obliged if they see it to report it. Yes.

I don't think they're probably going out of their way, but they'll have said, what is it that I'm going to do? Blah, blah, blah. We found some weed. We need to report this to the authorities. And if we don't, we'll get in trouble. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But yeah, that Brittany Griner thing is,

I mean, Rogan posted about it earlier on today saying that there's people that are still in jail now in the US for drugs in states, for drugs that are now legal in those states. That's wild. And what's the, what is, I can't believe I can't think of it. After a law is, like once the law has changed, you can't get charged for it or something like that.

It was, I can't think of the term, but if they change the law after you've broken it, you can't go to jail for it. And I think vice versa works as well. Oh, interesting. I don't know what the term is, but... Well, there's that... I don't think it's double jeopardy or whatever it is where you can't be...

You try. Try, it's a place. Yeah, yeah, so that's definitely... But dude, I mean, I just... I feel so bad for this Britney Griner girl. Like, can you imagine being an athlete, peak of your sport, randomly got something in your suitcase, nine years in a Russian prison.

I wonder if it plays out. What are the odds that she is never traded for to come back to the United States and it has to live out these nine years? What if she learns Russian, has to join a gang to survive and shit? That'd be so cool. And then once she's let go, she's like... Russian has to join a gang to survive and shit. That'd be so cool. And then once she's let go, she's like, like, kind of never the same and wants to stay in Russia, you know?

Russian double agent with her like new family. She gets like a new lease on life. Well, I'm glad that you're being very hopeful about this. I wonder whether she feels the same. But yeah, dude. You gotta lean into it at that point. I fucking wild. That's one of the things. I wonder whether she feels the same, but yeah, dude. You gotta lean into it at that point. I think. It's fucking wild.

That's one of the things. For all of those problems with the Western stuff, look at some of the drug laws in different countries. Look at some of the drug laws in the Middle East, in the Far East, in Russia. Nine years for a vape cartridge. I just, yeah, it's very, very, very strange, but yeah, I guess we'll wait and see. And also, the other thing is, let's say that the best possible outcome here is that the

US loses a arms dealer. We get an arms dealer back out into the world. That's the best possible scenario. And then we get a WNBA starback. Whoa. Well, also, something else that I wanted to talk to you about is why young men are turning to Viagra. I was really struggling to get it up. More men in their 20s and 30s are taking

little blue pills for a variety of sexual ills from rectile dysfunction to anxiety about their performance in the bedroom. Ben Bryant speaks to users, doctors, and relationship counselors about a very curious phenomenon. This is on the independent. And we spoke about this last time, one of the previous episodes that you've been on. We were talking about girls having anxiety around not being able to orgasm during sex and like performance anxiety during. Guys equivalent of that is not getting it up. And yeah, and also how many commercials do we have now where you can just get Viagra

sent to you? Right. You, you, you kind of do you, I don't know if anyone's done these before. I've had sponsorships like keeps where you get it put in touch with the doctor. The doctor fills out a prescription and you get it sent to your house. And that can happen within a half hour. Well, remember that you can get over the counter Viagra. You don't need to have the consultation with the doctor,

and this is actually one of the things that comes out of this news story. Yeah, you can just buy them over the counter. I mean, Bluetooth, right? Bluetooth is Viagra chewing gum, I think. They actually asked to sponsor the podcast, and I was not quite right, I don't think. But he was saying, after a breakup

from a five year relationship, James was nervous about dating again. He was 27 healthy and had a good sex life, but when it came to sleeping with new people, he was experiencing performance anxiety. I was really struggling to get it up. I get to this point where I was having sex with lots of people with like a 75% error rate.

James assumed that the problem was just nerves. He didn't seek advice from his GP. Instead, he started self-medicating with still dinner fill, better known as Viagra, it worked instantly. When you take it, you can actually focus on enjoying sex and being in the moment as opposed to going, oh my God, my dick is failing. No, no, don't stop, keep going.

This is, that is exactly what your mind says. For the girls that are listening, the fear that you have as a guy, as you notice that that's slowly creeping in, is just this downward spiral of, and as you focus on it, that is exactly the first thing that's going to cause it to go away. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie, Christopher, it has happened to me, for sure. I have been in that situation, usually when I'm been drinking a little bit. And sometimes, in the past, I have said,

this is just not gonna happen, and it's actually much more of a relief than to just say that, just it's not gonna happen. Not tonight. Not tonight, darling, I'm afraid. Yeah, well, I mean, it's very difficult for girls to not feel like they've done something wrong. It's like that whole scenario is just a,

it's just a litany of embarrassment and men feeling pretty ashamed of themselves, right? Like it's the one thing that you're supposed to always be able to do. There's an expectation, I think, by society that men should be hot to trot all the time, that they should always be ready for sex and wanting sex. And, you know, this same is not expected of women. Now, there's other things that are expected of women, which, you know, like, to be able

to orgasm during sex and to be casual and all this sort of stuff. But it's pretty uncomfortable. There was a period while I was in uni, and if looking back now is so obvious, I'd had too much to drink. I hadn't been able to get it up when I was drunk, then I had a fear that that was going to creep in when I was sober, and over time it did. So I'd managed to think myself into performance anxiety physiologically, absolutely fine, training in the gym, gaining loads of weight, health, relatively healthy, as healthy as a 21-year-old club promoter can be. And what I did, how I fixed it, was I started to taper down a dose of Viagra during normal sex.

So I would start with a half and then less and then less. And over time, you realize, I'm like, licking the outer coating of this. This is evidently not doing anything, and you go, I'm kind of back. But it was all about performance anxiety and it's brutal, man. My theory, a lot of it has to do with masturbation and the prevalence of it and young men. I think, like, it's something that definitely cannot be ignored, right? Like, you find a way to self-stimulate.

I think Hubertman talked about this on your podcast. You recently made a post about it. And I think that that's gotta be undeniable, right? The getting used to watching other people for a rousal, being in the comfort of your own home, having your set up, you know, you playlists and you suggested videos on that stuff. Getting the right video, you know, all of that, that factors into somebody being like,

well, you know, I might not have that when I'm with a girl. There's different situations that can happen. I'm not used to this person. What I have found is whatever that anxiety is, it dissipates the more comfortable you get with that woman. I would agree. More and more, right?

And I think Chris, it would be hard to do your technique of less and less of a dose with a new woman each time. Because of the public. I'm not sure if that's what you were doing, but I feel like that would be harder to do when you have a new woman, new stimulus every single time, and the new pressure comes in. If you're with someone and you've been with them before, I think it's only natural that that sort of anxiety goes away. And that's the beauty of actually having a long-term relationship.

I agree. That is one of the most underrated aspects of it, is that the romantic side of things will undoubtedly get better. And if it doesn't, then I think that's a big point of error the right-of-aspects of it is that the romantic side of things will undoubtedly get better. And if it doesn't, then I think that's a big point of error in your relationship and it might say something else about the relationship. I always thought, for a long time, that people that said sex in a relationship is always going to be better than one night stands, just as like a young, stupid guy, always thought

that that was just not accurate wisdom. And I've come to believe that it's the complete opposite. That guys often need to settle into who they're having sex with, the girls need to learn what it is that they like to do, and you become more comfortable with each other, and the intimacy, and all of that actually ends up enhancing the way that you have sex. Looking at some of the stats from that article,

it says more than 60% of UK Viagra users are between 25 and 54 years old. So one of the things that you would think is, well, younger people should have better testosterone levels which should mean that their sex drives higher. But I guess the other thing is that people over the age of 54 years old are not having as much sex. So you have two parameters going on, right?

Like one group of people is physiologically more predisposed to being able to get it up, but needs to get it up more. The other group is less so, but also needs sex less or is having sex less. So I think there's that little balance there. It says, according to one 2018 study around half of British men in their 30s, report difficulties getting or maintaining an erection. And this is only going to get worse, I think, with Gen Z, because the most socially anxious generation that we've ever had, highest rates of introversion, social anxiety disorders and stuff like that,

getting naked with somebody is, you know, that's gonna push a lot of people's buttons. If they're uncomfortable going out of the house or going into nightclubs or loud noises, clapping, getting naked with somebody's gonna be a little bit too far. I think that the test-ostroen and the biological factors are the least important when it comes to getting it up.

For sure. You know, in both our cases, it had nothing to do with that. It was purely anxiety. It was purely in the head. So, so I think, I don't know, I think that the availability of Viagra, for sure has gone up, 100%.

Like it, the fact that I could right now, over the course of this podcast, order Viagra, in half hour and have it delivered to my door within days, that was just something that never occurred. And now it's out and it's like, well, you might as well, if you're going to get some drinks on, it takes away the anxiety. We don't really know the negative side effects. I mean, they list them, but a long time of using Viagra over time, like we don't know exactly what that is, but it's definitely an option that men have now.

There's a bit here. The possible side effects include a reduction in efficacy over time, as well as more serious outcomes. Long-term use of Viagra can potentially increase the risk of physiological dependency, and there's also been associated with various problems affecting the bearing, the hearing and visual systems and the vision. So, I mean, it's a... But it's like any drug though, if you... any drug, it's suggested to taper off of it and to come back into it. And, you know, it's the same thing with caffeine, the efficacy of caffeine, what the side effects of that are.

You went off of caffeine for how many days? 500 days, yeah. 500 days off of caffeine for how many days? 500 days, yeah. 500 days off of caffeine, right? And a lot of people can cycle these drugs that they just don't. And that's another thing too. I mean, I think that the caffeine industry is like one of the craziest industries around

caffeine and nicotine industries. You know, people are slinging a psychoactive drug that is proven to be very effective, but they're not doing it really in a responsible way. I think if you look at what some of these people order, I mean, I know women who are like 115 pounds getting 300 milligrams of caffeine in their Starbucks. You know, like a very, what's the large one, the venti? Yeah.

A venti cold brew, right? That's got to have around 300 milligrams of caffeine. And to do that and have that be part of your morning like thing, it's pretty freaking intense. When she say rather than like one little eight ounce cup, you know, one little eight ounce cup of coffee to start your day and then maybe another one later on. Now people have like monster glasses of caffeine,

filled with caffeine. Yeah, I mean, there's a whole Mozie quote where he talks about how if you need to use a substance as a, if you can't function without them, they've stopped conferring a benefit. Be able to stop them and only use them when you really know you can crush on off on off is typically good enough for most. But if you can't function without them, they've stopped conferring a benefit, be able to stop them and only use them when you really know you can crush on off, on off is typically good enough for most. But if you can't function without them,

they've stopped conferring a benefit is so on the money. That's exactly how I felt with caffeine. Like, look, this isn't a performance enhancer, it's a crutch. It's the only thing that's actually keeping me going here. But another element to, I guess, add into the Viagra conversation is what it means or how girls interpreted. So this guy mentioned that he wasn't telling his partner, Wendy 37 says that she would be unhappy to discover that her boyfriend was secretly taking Viagra because I would feel like, oh, am I not good enough? But then I get more, but then I get that erectile dysfunction is more common as guys get older.

So it's kind of brutal. It's like, it's not about you. It is not a you thing. It is almost exclusively inside of my head. And yet, women are all that they're going to be able to see is all of this self-image concerns and the anxiety and the performance anxiety. And I'm not good enough.

It's like a really, really bad situation. Yeah, and it's difficult. I was just kind of having a retort to what you were saying in my head, and then I just flipped it a little bit, but it is a difficult conversation, or at least a difficult position to say, no, it really isn't you. I don't know how to prove that to you, but it's really not you. It's just overall anxiety. It's hard because you don't face this anxiety.

But again, the only thing you can hope for is communication with your partner. Like just open communication. Like look, this is what I've dealt with. This is, you know, whatever. As long as you are having sex and you're trying to get better and you're pleasing your partner and your partner's pleasing you, there are no real issues, right? There are things that you can work on together as long as you're open about whatever that thing is, I think. But it is still a difficult, you know, hill to get on top, to get over, to, uh, to then try and convince them or try to explain to them what this anxiety really is.

Yeah. And I don't think it's not comparable to women and orgasms because they don't have to necessarily explain why they didn't have to necessarily explain why they didn't have an orgasm. They could, it might improve their sex lives, but it's not the same thing, right? Because they can still... They can still... Right, women can either fake it or guys just don't,

I mean, there are guys that will ask, like, did you come after you finished having sex? But, and I guess that that's probably a pretty awkward, especially if you're a girl that maybe has performance anxiety in bed, that's probably a pretty awkward, especially if you're a girl that maybe has performance anxiety in bed, that would probably suck to here. But it's, I mean, at least you've been able to have sex. I would say, yeah, being pushed about orgasming during sex

is uncomfortable, but it doesn't get into the same league. Really is not being able to get it up. TikTok star Addison Ray deletes blasphemous, holy trinity bikini photo after backlash. Did you see this? Yep, side. Okay, so TikTok star Addison Ray on Tuesday was hit with backlash for posting a blasphemous bikini that was holy trinity themed. The father on her right breast, son on her left breast, and holy spirit on her bottom. Ray reportedly won Added ass collaboration swimsuit, praying holy trinity bikini in white price $100.

In scrumples showing off the bikini has been since deleted. This is disrespectful to Jesus. Sad what y'all are doing for money, one comment, reportedly said, and another user adding, so messed up. This is not okay, blast for me, someone wrote. Is nobody gonna talk about this disrespecting religions and other user reacted. Bikini Blunder, it's been called,

and would she do it with Islam or Buddhism as conservative beauty guru Amanda Ensing, former White House photographer Andrea Hanks commented, any other faith, and this would be an issue, tacky. One thing that's interesting is this is an issue. This isn't something where the Christian community has just rolled over and let this sort of stuff happen. So, saying any other faith in this would be an issue, kind of is a bit dumb because it is an issue, and it isn't any other faith. Yeah, also just to interject here, the sun should be over where the, you know what I mean?

Because it goes father, son down here. And she had father and son on the left and right breast. The son should have been on the bikini bottom. And Holy Spirit up top. Yeah, but that would be weird though, right? To have a son. Very weird. Very, very, very weird. What's she famous for?

What's Addison Ray famous for? Tiktok. So she does dances and she's, she's good looking. She was in a movie, right? Yeah, and I heard it was horrible. I heard it was horrible. It was like remake of 30% on Rotten Tomatoes. Right.

Yeah, but you know, they made a ton of money on it just for the fact that she was in it. How many Gen Z kids watched it just to be like, oh my god, that's Anderson Ray, you know. But what's the company called that did it? That made the... Other calls. Oh, no, no I thought I thought that they had done it

Wasn't there another company that called like prayer or something? Uh, I'm not sure. I just I just saw Phil Phil DeFranco video on it And like if you if you look at their Instagram, they have a lot of stuff exactly like this I forget what it's called. I just watched this. But yeah, I think this company, I don't know if it was Adidas. But it should be Adidas, right? Because it's Adidas-ler. Yeah, well, you're the one that's ruining it.

But yeah, I mean, it definitely seems like the world hasn't allowed this one to slide under the radar, so to speak. I think if it had been a plus size model, if there would have been the equivalent amount of backlash, because there would have definitely been accusations of sizeism and fat phobia and slay queen and stuff like that. There's definitely upper bounds on that. Also, yeah, I mean, this is definitely typical outrage, but I gotta tell you, if it was this company that I'm thinking of and not Adidas,

I don't know what Adidas is affiliation with it. Maybe, I don't know, but I mean, I didn't really know much about Addison Ray, I do now. You know, and it's the same thing with any of this sort of backlash. It is brilliant marketing, but it's also, I don't know if that's a legitimate way to go about marketing. I think this whole brand, their whole thing is to try and create something like this, and this was their golden

ticket. Their sales are going to go up undoubtedly. Yeah, they have to. What speaking of people that have been using headlines to pump current albums and stuff like that, Demi Lovato has changed her pronoun. Oh, she's added pronouns back in. Did you see this? Yes, I did.

And I didn't know that it had that an album was coming out as well. She's got an album coming out later this month and didn't really make many headlines. It doesn't see, but she, uh, she updated her pronouns. Another day, another tiring pronoun debate. Pronouns are simple. They have been for centuries and yet people are acting like their brand new concept.

This is from the Daily Beast. It's very pro, uh, Demi. This time, the hot button topic is being discussed, not because of some horrible remarks from bigoted politicians or a terrible tweet from a certain she will not be named turf, but because singer and performer Demi Lovato announced that she is using, sorry, this is so hard to read. Performer and Demi Lovato announced they are using she-her pronouns now in addition to the they-them pronouns they already utilize. Lovato opened up about this in a recent development in a gender identity journey in an interview with the SPOUT podcast recently. I've been feeling more feminine so I have adopted she-her again said Lovato, I'm such a fluid person. Lovato came out as non-binary in May 2021, blah, blah, blah.

And then she reflected on coming out and said that she's now expanded. Wow, this is impossible to read. Lovato reflected on this coming out journey and also explained why they are now expanding their pronouns to include she, her. But if she's used... So if she did, then we can say she and her.

A parent, I don't really understand at all. That sentence doesn't make sense. Well, it probably never did. But now we can say she and her. So stop saying they, if you don't have to. I mean, you, you, you, you, it's all in to. It's all in to. It's all in to. It's all in to. It's all in to. Bio has been updated to include all the pro, all their pronouns. They, them, she, her, what is so shocking about this, gender identity, much like sexuality, can be a very fluid thing, blah, blah, blah. So I'm always, I'm friends with Blair White, like I'm happy to call people by their preferred pronouns. There has to be

an upper bound on how many times someone can cause headlines and change them. And then there's a ton of outrage misleading headlines. this is still in the Daily Beast article. Misleading headlines about how LeVardo reverted back to she, her pronouns, because people said that she'd stopped being they, them, and was exclusively going to she, her, which isn't correct. The Daily Mail has got it incorrect. And basically, people are being,

that this Daily based article is shouting at other coverage, saying that you need to do better. You need to be able to understand this big atry and the social media chatter and all this stuff. And you go, look, it's really hard. And if someone's going to continue to update their pronouns, like you have to actually even say, I understand that the world of pronouns can be a little bit difficult for people. We just have to hope that everybody's doing their best. And yet most of the people that are commenting about this are using it as a political football that they can kick around to say you're a bigot because you don't understand what to me is another level of complexity

on top of the pronoun thing. So let's think about language for a second. Pronouns themselves are to make the language simpler, easier. I don't have to say Chris every time. I can say he. I can say him. It's a placeholder. And what you're doing is making something that's simple. You're making it much more confusing, right? So even just a minor amount of confusion is kind of a big deal in the English language

because we don't know how to speak then and What's really weird is that the daily beast says they and then calls her she and then also says that it's okay to call her she and her so What is like what's going on like what what's the statement being made? So she wants to say that we can call her she now. Great. But I don't understand how that fits into what we were doing prior. I'm not under, I mean, it stays here.

I've actually adopted the pronoun she, her again. She told the host on this podcast. So for me, I'm such a fluid person that I don't find that I am. I felt like, especially last year, my energy was balanced in my masculine and feminine energy. So when I was faced with a choice of walking into a bathroom and it said, men, women and men, I didn't feel like there was a bathroom for me because I didn't necessarily

feel like a woman and I didn't feel like a man. I just felt like a human. Recently, I've been feeling more feminine. So I've adopted she, her again, she said, adding that the purpose of using they then pronouns is about feeling human at your core. Lovato went on to assure others that nobody's perfect and everybody messes up pronouns at some point, and especially when people are learning, it's all just about respect. So Demi Lovato seems completely fine with people trying their best to keep up with this stuff.

There has to be enough of bound on how many, I mean, if she decides to add in more pronouns, is there another wave of headlines that should come out about it? Should people be lambasted for not using, there's going to be more pronouns that you can use than can't use? Like, I don't know, it's a very interesting situation

to get into, because I don't think there's been a real public situation where somebody has added extra pronouns in now. And I don't understand what the rules are supposed to be around this. Well, I don't think there are rules, but I think that, again, I would agree with you in that. I don't really care if somebody wants

some sort of preferred pronouns. It's just going to be very difficult for me to unlearn years of speaking to people. If I misgender somebody, like honestly, I will feel bad and I will try to actually call them what they want, but it's much more difficult when you mix in plurals. That's where for me, that sentence that you were trying to read, that is very frustrating, right? I don't actually care that she can name herself whatever she wants. Okay, but the moment that we start mixing in plurals and shit like that, that's where I start to be like, hey, this is, this is kind of bullshit. Because then I can't formulate a sentence properly without being like, I don't know what to do. And that's ultimately what I'm not a fan of.

Originally, I think this was what Peterson was concerned about, whatever, back in 2015 or 16, that it was a way for people to enact power over others, that you can force other people to change their behavior based on a claim that you make. There's very few things that I can force you to do, right? Like, you could even walk into me if we were going down a corridor

on the same side of the corridor. I don't even, I can't even force you to move, but by using this, that does give people the opportunity to have a little bit of power. But I don't know, it seems like it's just a very, very strange situation. It's a very strange situation. Speaking of strange situations, Beyonce heated lyrics. You mentioned this to me me and I've gone and had a look. Beyonce's new album, Renée Sons has been met with overwhelmingly positive reviews, but the acclaimed singer faced backlash from activists after Friday's record breaking release for a lyric deemed ablest on the song Heat, which Britney co-wrote with Drake.

She sings spas in on that ass, spas on that ass. I tried to do what? Sorry. The word spas is a derogatory. That's the first time I've heard the lyric. I knew it was spas. Let me give you the full lyrics here. Well, it's about spastic cerebral palsy, which is an actual term, right? It's a, and is that now a term that we're not allowed to use?

Well, similar to very much British thing, I think. So but saying someone is retarded medically, so is actually not allowed even now, right? And I would, is the term spastic cerebral palsy, or whatever you say it, is that now in that same boat? That's just what I want to clarify first. People would still be referred to as whatever retarded and spastic. That's like a medical diagnosis.

The concern is when it becomes a pejorative, right? And people start using it as a slur. I think the... I don't even know that they're allowed to medically say that anymore. I'm pretty sure. About retarded. Well, they're definitely around the spastic thing because the person that brought the term up is like self-referred as that. So presumably it is at least a little bit. So, let me give you some of the lyrics. Bad, bad bitchy, make that bad bitch glitchy. Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine,

fine. Liberated living like we ain't got time. Yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, bomb bomb, kaka, spasin' on that ass, spas on that ass. Fan me girl, fan me quick girl, I need my glass. Fan me off, my wrist goes click, dimples on my hips, stretch marks on my tits, drinking my water, mind in my bizz, Monday, I'm overrated, Tuesday, on my dick. The worst thing about that apparently is the spas. Yeah, I don't have no idea.

I feel like I just blacked out and I have no idea what you just said. I have no idea what just happened. That was really, really weird. You know how you just kind of like space out while someone's talking? That's exactly what I just did to you. I apologize, but it was like I was just hearing noises come out of your mouth. And in no way did they make sense at all. And suddenly we care about the word spastic. You are not, you are not, beyond say, one of the greatest songwriters of a generation. So, oh yeah, she wouldn't know. But they've gone back and they've, she's retroactively changing the lyrics.

She's going to change the lyrics so that it says blast in instead of spas in. I remember as well in... They already did it, by the way. Oh, they updated it already. Yes, but there have been some vinyls that were pressed already. Vinyls and CDs that were pressed already. So I imagine those would actually be the resale on those. Oh, you got the spas edition of Beyoncé's new album, bro.

Yeah, dude, I'm all for, I mean, I've always thought that that word was a bit touchy because in the UK, that's a word that's been used quite a bit as a pejorative. And I remember watching Iron Man and in it Tony Stark, do you remember when he's got social anxiety, he's got anxiety and he's having anxiety attacks? When he's with a little kid, I think it's in the third one and it's snowing and the kids saying like, what's going on, where are we going? Can you help? What's happening? Are you okay?

You're breathing fast and he's trying to calm himself down and can't. Goes and sits over a fast side and says, see, you made me spaz out. He says that. Tony Stark says that. Coming out of Hollywood and that was only maybe within 10 years ago. Yeah. So I always, that stuck in my mind. That bit stuck in my mind because I always thought,

fuck an L. That's a bit of a heavy word to just be thrown around like that. So... Well, look, you know where this is going, correct? That in people will bring issues about certain things that have already been made and demand that they change them. And what's wild is that we're doing it to something that we thought we couldn't change. Given that, so given that most people stream music now,

we can actually take songs out and put them back. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a wild thing. Can't we do that with YouTube videos, right? You could do that with, you'd have to re-upload the YouTube video. Yeah, well, I think they probably re-upload it. I don't know how it works,

but it's just a very weird thing. But now this is where the conversation is ultimately gonna go is like the potential for slippery slope. And obviously the... The how far back do you need to go in order to correct content in this problem? Yeah, I mean, we're just gonna, there's gotta be very, very problematic content

that so many rappers, so many songs have used the word spats. So many things have, like, said all have like said. I remember Eminem songs. Eminem songs. I mean, it in 50 cent songs with it in. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's endless. So what are we gonna do? We're just gonna go through and pick apart all these things. This is, you know, this is the slippery slope. I mean, then we have the Monika Lewinsky thing.

What happened with that? So Monika Lewinsky, she said, while we're at it, you can change the lyrics to this song where you mentioned me, like sucking Bill Clinton's dick or something. I don't know what actually, if they'd had anything, I don't know what the lyric is. I looked at it earlier on, so it was like Monica Lewinsky on my dress, so she was used, it was like, it's someone's come on her address. Yeah. Okay. So then, so yeah, but here's the thing. It's like Monica Lewinsky. What are you doing? Why do we care about you? Type of thing. That's kind of my reaction.

Monica Lewinsky, why do we care about you? I don't know. Is she big on Twitter or something? She did a TED, she did a TEDx talk or a TED talk a couple of years ago that was pretty big. I guess she's just being at the center of America. Well, maybe that was rude of me because I personally, I'm, because I, I don't have no idea what my life was. It was before our time, I think, that whole situation and tracking the monochilowinsky. Did you see that stranger things went back and changed

something in season three because fans pointed out a plot hole? That's, dude, this is gonna be endless. Endless, how many things have we seen where they've gone back and taken episodes out? I mean, whole things, whole seasons of... Shrek. Has been altered on Hulu.

I can't off the top of my head, I can't think of, but there have been people who have had scandals and then they've gone in and taken their stuff off of streaming. That for sure has happened, for sure. Yeah, when people... Chris D'Aliah, he was taken out of a movie completely and they reshot his scenes, with obviously a much less funny person.

But that's different to going back and after it's been published and is out there retroactively. So for me, I don't think that the plot hole thing is not that big of a deal. Like if you've missed something and the fans tell you, go back and fix it, that's it. Oh, oh, oh, that's, oh, I didn't know that's why they did this,

that for stranger things. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't something problem. I don't know how to outrage. No, it was, people were outraged, but they were outraged because it was a hole in the plot, and they went back and fixed that. So that's, that's one type. I guess another one is during the production,

or before it's released, you find out something about somebody that's contributed to it, and they get removed. That's also an element. I don't have any problem with that either, but when it comes to getting rid of stuff from many, many years ago, I can absolutely see that happening. And the difference being, is it better to alter? I actually don't think it is. It's definitely not better to go back and alter something than delete it outright. I think it's better to completely remove content from the interview. If you have to give me which version of hell do you want, the version where stuff gets deleted.

For all time? Involtered. Yeah, precisely, because that's not the original vision for the piece of work. But there are both versions of hell, correct? Correct. Yeah, it's like that, that guy, the meme of that guy with his hand up and he's got to pick one of the two buttons. Yes, yeah, he's sweating. Yeah, correct. Yeah, it's like that guy, the meme of that guy with his hand up and he's got to pick one of the two buttons. Yeah, he's sweating.

Yeah, yeah. So this is something that I was just thinking through. This whole outrage culture is bad because it's becoming, it might become less viable to use outright outrage for good. I think that there's actually a bit a lot in cinema that's happened where outrage was good. I think that there's actually been a lot in cinema that's happened where outrage was good. So for instance, the Sonic the Hedgehog outrage. What was that? They released

the trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog and the, and he looked horrifying. Okay. So what they did was they fixed the way that he looked went back in and changed him completely. And everyone was like, thank you. This is a better movie now. Straight up. This is a straight up better movie. There's a lot of, there was a lot of people saying, okay, hey, we need a Deadpool movie and we need it to be rated R. It needs to be legit.

Came out, one of the most successful superhero movies at the time. And so I think that outrage, that kind of feedback is really awesome. But what you're gonna see is people are gonna be like, well, this is just outrage, you know, this is just outrage culture, fuck, and we're not gonna listen to them because this is what people do now, right?

So you get that kind of the boy who cried, boy who cried, wolf effect. And I think that's gonna suck a lot if it hasn't already happened. It's a problem that people have around overusing the accusation of racism, right? If everything is racist, then nothing's racist. And when you actually need to call out some real racists, where do you go? It's this ever-intensity-increasing situation. And if outrage occurs at every corner, every opportunity, then yeah, when some real outrage is needed, you're going to be so desensitized to it that you're

not even going to notice. Yeah, I mean, and also how many people are going to be like, oh, like, I guess, I guess I'm a fucking racist if everyone's just going to call that and then they're just going to go lean into it. They're going to lean into it. Yeah. They're gonna lean into it. That is what trolls do. That is what the alt-right is all about. You tell me what I am?

Fine, I'll fucking be that. And I'm gonna troll the shit out of you. I'm gonna be the worst version of that. Yes. That's essentially what the whole issue with the alt-right is. It's almost like the left creates it. The okay symbol is a great example of this. Okay, the okay symbol is what was it like the white power? White power looks like a W and

a P. That was something that was created on the backboards of 4chan, brought up, and then they're like, look, we fucking got this, these guys. And then the actual, you know, white nationalist parties were like, fuck it, we'll use it. Sure. If it pisses off the actual, you know, white nationalist parties were like, fuck it. We'll use it. Sure. If it pisses off the left, we'll fucking use it. Yeah. And we don't know what's real.

We don't know what a joke is. You know, pose law, have you heard of pose law? It's basically states that there is absolutely no way of knowing that something is satirical on the internet unless it is stated. Because what you can get into this endless feedback loop of people saying it was satirical, but then taking the satire and making it real and making it a part of it and kind of creating this weird cycle. And Pose Law is a product of the internet. And I think that this is sort of the stuff that we'll end up running into more and more.

How many things have been created off of 4chan that have become something? Did you see that free bleeding? Did you ever see this? No. Okay, so people on 4chan wanted to try and troll women into believing that showing period blood on your clothes was a way of standing in solidarity with people that don't have access to birth control, maybe are people in the Middle East. So they created this campaign and many, many, many women started doing what was called

free bleeding and just allowing period blood to go on the outside of their clothes because that was in solidarity with their sisters in Asia or whatever it was. I mean, the biggest one we can think of is the Bordeaux Piaot Club, right? That is something that was directly created as kind of a joke. And it ended up being a billion dollar troll. And for people who don't know what we're talking about, once you finish this episode, go over to Filion's channel on YouTube and watch Bordebe Nazi Club.

Even if you don't think that it's true, it's one of the best hours of independent filmmaking. It's so, so thorough and it's fascinating. All of the different imagery, basically, you're saying that Bordebe, your club, is a larpy sort of troll of alt-right imagery, references, stuff to do with Hylah Hitler, stuff to do with the references, stuff to do with high-level hitlers, stuff to do with the Jews,

stuff to do with Auschwitz, all sorts of stuff. And he just lays it out over and out. So you should go and check that out once we're finished. And I think this is also something interesting, especially with the Bordea Piaw Club. Are they actually racist, even though they're putting racist things in there to get something out of it, but they themselves might not be or they might be, but it's all about the troll.

Yeah. Right. The real life troll and what we need to distinguish is does trolling mobilize actual racism, which might be true, or is it just trolling for trolling sake? Like this is supposed to deal with it as well. Like, are you suggesting, or would it be the case that you should let troll racism go in order to not galvanize one side? But that's the thing, we cannot, again, this goes back to pose law.

We cannot discern what a troll is and what isn't. You could point to something and say it's satirical, but the creator of it could be like, no, this wasn't satire. He could say what he or she could say, whatever the fuck they want. It's super interesting. This is very, very complex.

And it's very important to understand this because meme culture and meta culture and this fortune, it is where we are headed if we're not there already whoever can create the most clever timely maybe contrarian opinion in a funny way that is relatable wins and By the time it's either proved incorrect or or correct, it's already too late because it's viralized. So many people just love the way that that meme is formatted

because it speaks to them. It doesn't matter. But now their opinion is like, yeah, fuck yeah. You gave me my opinion on a platter. It's the biases that people have. And this is just how it works. Like the power of memes is limitless. And there's also like a meme economy.

I don't know if you know much about this. I don't really know too much about it, but essentially it's like stock in memes. You can see which meme is going to outperform, right? Like there's, I think there is a list of current memes and like where they are ranked and certain things like that. And think about that for a second.

If you want to say something that makes a difference, you find a powerful meme and you can throw that out into the world. Oh, I tell you where I've gone. So I've just typed in meme economy online and you know the websites that come up to explain it to me. Knowyourmeam.com. Know your meme.

Yes. So he was a guy on your show, correct? No, we met him. We met him. I met him at Mallace's party a few weeks ago, the guy that owned me. Oh yeah, okay. Yeah, he was fascinating.

I met him with Sky and... So how much of that could then relate to crypto, which also could then relate to the stock market? Yeah. It's fucking crazy to think about this. Were we always as a culture, were we always doomed or headed to something like this, where everything is meta, everything is...

Well, think about it this way, we're talking about movies and stuff like that. How long has it been since there was a normal, superhero movie that didn't have to have some weird quirk on the side of the character. You know, that, I mean, we've got hero movies now that are based on the villains. That's what suicide squad was, right? Like, right. You have movies like The Boys on Amazon Prime, which everybody should go on watch because it's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. And all of those characters, that's super, super sort of fourth degree removed, fifth degree removed, meta commentary about. So it's interesting. I wonder

whether part of it is because once you've played out very easy to guess archetypes and roles, you know, if we just did another, the first Superman, from whatever, the 50s or something, if we just put that out again, we've already done that. We've already, that's been done to death. So I do think that it's kind of an inevitable progression of the art form, but when it leaks over into news, into normal culture outside of the creative world,

and the creative world, and the cultural world, and news, and politics have all become intertwined because everybody's a pocket creator now, right? Yes. Your dog does something funny, you take a photo of it, that could be the most famous dog ever. Remember the guy that did that lightsaber thing? What, that 20 years ago now probably?

On the internet, the lightsaber dude, chocolate rain, you remember him? Yes, yes. All of this stuff, man, like you get turned into memes. The fish and rice cakes dude from England, he got invited, so here's a funny one, the guy that did fish and rice cakes got invited onto first dates, which is a dating program in the UK. It's one of the biggest ones. He got invited on there, and he looks great, he's got like half-sleeved tattoo, pretty

cool, good-looking guy. And he was explaining about how he was misrepresented on there. And then I think he also did a video on the lab Bible explaining it as well. It's not nice. I mean, it's Sony gave those four lads in jeans that were British as well. They gave them a contract for noise-cancelling headphones because of like keeping the haters out. So this is meme culture, then getting fed back into advertising and. Yeah, it's back into the cultural machine. Yeah. Yeah.

Everything's clickbait, man. Speaking of movies and stuff like that, Batgirl and Scooby-Doo holiday haunt scrapped at Warner Brothers amid cost savings push. So Batgirl budgeted at around $80 million Scooby-Doo, holiday haunt, scrapped at Warner Bros. amid cost savings push. So Batgirl budgeted at around $80 million with cost rising up to nearly 90 million due to COVID. And a surprising development, Warner Bros. will no longer be releasing Batgirl, the DC film

that had already completed shooting and was expected to arrive on a HBO Max this year. The unusual move comes after a change in leadership at Warner's, when newly installed Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav, prioritising cost-cutting measures and refocusing Warner's on creating theatrical films rather than just projects for streaming, as had been a priority for former Warner-media CEO, Jason Killer, Batgirl was budgeted at around $80 million with cost rising to nearly 90 million due to COVID-19 protocols.

It's a hefty sum, but significantly lower than DC theatrical releases. Thus, the film is said to not have the spectacle the audience have come to expect from DC fair. The Batman released in March had a budget of 185 million before marketing costs. One has also decided to shell of animated feature Scoob Holiday Hunt, which had a budget in the 40 million range. So I am not a massive fan of the current trend that we're seeing, if trying to rinse every

single franchise and squeeze it as hard as possible. You know, we had she Hulk, not long ago, that came out in the cinema and it was, it didn't even make sense in the Hulk universe because the Hulk wasn't able to speak when he was Hulk, he was Hulk. He was enraged. She's able to go to work. She's like a high-powered boss bitch lawyer with a briefcase. There's a scene where she picks some guy up that she's having a one-night stand with, picks him up from the couch and walks him into bed. It's like a total reversal, like general reversal thing. But it sucked. Let me see what

she... Well, she Hulk... Rotten tomatoes. What did it get? She Hulk attorney at law that's literally literally what it's called. Is it out TV series? I might not be out. I think I'll release date 2022. Yeah, well, I've seen a lot of, oh, premieres on August 18th, so it'll be out pretty soon. So, something tells me it's going to have a brutal Rotten Tomatoes score. Outside of the content sucking, right? What makes me the most angry is the ridiculous waste of money. Okay, as somebody who is currently trying to make a feature film happen, who's trying to raise money and really passionate about a certain project, to see someone go through an entire, is it a single film or is it a series? Okay, series, sorry, $90 million, shoot it all

and then never put it out. That is so unbelievably frustrating, but it points to the fact that the best culture cannot possibly be created by the top. Not always, like the best music for this person or the best cinema for this person will likely not be created at the top for that person. At least not to the degree that we think it is. Okay, if production is just a money throw, like throw money at it, pump it out, send it out. And we have the biggest market,

we have the best streaming service, eat it up people, right? That happens at nauseam. And like to kind of circle back to the Beyonce thing, right? The another part to this was that she took a sample from Calise and Calise, right milkshake. Yes, actually kind of a good song kind of a banger. Yeah, but Before any of that happened before she didn't give credit at all, the Neptune's, which is Ferrell, they owned the song and basically tricked her out of not getting any money on,

but I think both of her first two albums, which they both produced. She signed a contract and she really did not make the money that she should have made. And what happened was Beyonce then used milkshake, which then brought that back into the fray. She used milkshake without the vocal, though, right? She just used the sample of the instrument,

which was owned by Ferrell, which was also helping to produce Beyonce's album. Exactly. Which all it pointed to was that this fucking weird world of production of creativity still exists, and it's still fucking sucks. It's still absolutely level. Yes, and we live in a world now where you and I can go on the internet and create our content

without any oversight at all. And I do believe that the fact that that's happening is awesome to put more and more stress on the people up top who fuck over the real creators in this world, or the very talented people in this world. I honestly believe that. Yeah, man, I mean, there's another element here, I think of cherished and treasured franchises

and series being ruined. What's that quote about you either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain? Yes. That's what's happening with media now. Every company, every franchise is just rinsing. You know what the most impressive thing I think is the Avengers finished? The Avengers stopped. That has to be the most successful movie franchise of the last, maybe ever, but certainly of the last few years. Maybe since Harry Potter, something like that, it'll be definitely up

there. And they just went spoiler alert for people that haven't seen it. We're going to kill the main character at the end, and then it's going to finish. And obviously they've got, you know, Loki series, they've got all sorts of split offs. So maybe Marvel isn't an amazing example because they're still rinsing the universe outside of it, but they stopped that bit. And that felt, like, do you not think that it's sad, but it's kind of satisfying, and it almost makes that series, what would you call it, that sequence of movies feel more special because you know, I love it as a full stop. Yes, no, I love it. I think Ozark did a great job of that.

I haven't seen. They're like hard- stop. It's over. We're done. Oh, oh. You know, they built the fucking story. I think from day one, they had the same story. It wasn't they were building as they were going. They weren't trying to see where you the end already. They knew the end. And I think, you know, if you look at my, debatably one of my favorite shows ever created was True Detective Season One. Never seen.

Okay, so that's Matthew McConaughey, Woody Harrelson, a couple other people, but a fantastic story. And not only that, like, very, very good cinematography and direction. And at the time, I mean, I still think it's for me top five, maybe top three, maybe the best one that I can think of off the top of my head. They ended that series. Matthew McConaughey and Woody Herylson were done. So now they have to start, they do true detective, but they start a completely new place, a new idea, a new story arc. New and investing is new cost. Yes, and it has nothing to do with that first one. I think that's okay, but in my opinion,

that was their way of being like, look, we can be legit, we can end this story, but we can keep this series alive, and hopefully, milk people for more money. When they should have literally just been like, that's it, we're done, one season, we're out. Okay, so I'll push back against that. Think about if they'd come in with the second season

and the second season was better than the first season. If they'd been able to do that, I think that you would have gone, and you know what they did, they came back, it was really good, it was different, it was my point being that a lot of what we're saying here, we're trying to rationalize like a hard and fast rule about, don't make female versions of fucking existing superheroes. But if it's good, it's good. Precisely. What we really mean is, don't be bad.

Don't be ruined shit. Don't make terrible movies and series. The same thing goes for Game of Thrones. I've just spouted on for ages about how we shouldn't be rinsing the shit out of franchises and making terrible things. And House of Dragons and beyond the wall or whatever the one that's about the North is

Both of those are coming out pretty soon and I can't wait. I'm absolutely gas for those to come out I think that Game of Thrones was particularly unsatisfying the way that it finished And I also think that this will probably be pretty cool and I like George R.R. Martin's universe So I want that so I like it. I like it difficult to please. I like they were that they were rinsed solely because They were trying to get out of there Those two guys Ben a Hoff and whatever done and Dave They were trying to get the fuck out of there They were like we're done with this. We're gonna go make a Star Wars movie. We're going over Lucas pictures That's why I that's why I think fuck him rinse them destroy him

Not only did they make a piece of shit ending to an amazing series that was actually pretty accurate to the books And even though they were allowed to finish how they kind of wanted to because the books hadn't been out yet They they were like let's get out of here and that's how it felt Maybe that's not how it was but you could even see Did you see the cast table the video of them at the casting table where they like look at the shit and they're like yes What yeah, you know like people were watching this and they were like this is not who I am this is not how I am another another one of that is the guy who plays Luke Skywalker throughout the whole series I can't think of his name it's a pathetic of me I'm sorry oh Hamill something Hamil

Hamil I think whatever he he was like in interviews I think he might have been a little boozed up or something, but he's like, this shit sucks. You know, or like, or not that, not that, but it was like he virtually had said like, this is not. Have you seen good? What we just made was not good. So there's a bunch of interviews that people can go and watch with the cast of Game of Thrones after they'd finished filming season 8, but before it had been aired.

And in all of the interviews when they're being asked, so tell us, you know, is it exciting or is it whatever? Kit Harrington's the best, because he's British and pretty much unable to keep his emotions to himself. It's just so obvious they're dying inside. They're just completely unsatisfied with it. Another person that's amazing when it comes to media interviews, have you seen Tom Holland, the guy that does Spider-Man?

Yes, and he... Have you seen how much he fucks up? Yeah, and how much he gives away, like, what else have happened? People were saying... You don't let him fucking speak anymore. They said about, was it Avengers, whatever the one where Thanos snaps his fingers? And during the press tour for that,

it was something like a, with the interviewer had said, we're scared of losing more people or something, something, something. And Tom Holland's literally responded and said, well, half of everybody dies in this episode. Oh, like. Okay, okay, this is a crazy one, ready for this.

So a star is born. I'm going in to see it with my body. I'm actually really stoked for this movie. And it's one of those movie theaters where you get food served to you. And so we go to sit down and our waitress comes out. And she's like, she's like, hey look, the ending is really sad. So I'm actually gonna try and get you guys to pay before about 20 minutes before it ends.

And we're, I literally look at her. I'm like, okay, so Bradley Cooper dies. This is what you're telling me, right? I didn't say that to her, but my jaw dropped. She walks away and I just immediately knew it. I knew what happened You all you had to say was it's sad. You just had to say that how about just don't fucking say that and now I was thinking about it How many people's movie going experience did this one lady ruin thinking that she was getting on top of her job You know what I mean like not only not only on that day, but over the course of the month.

Yes, she ruined that. So my housemate back in the UK Toby has this unbelievable ability to see what's going to happen in series. So if it's a murder mystery within half an hour, he's like, he did it. And sure enough, it's him. So I imagine that if you're really smart at being able to detect narratives, I'm completely not. So I'm always surprised at the end and oblivious to whatever's going on. I imagine it's kind of the same. If you're one of those people that's really talented at being

able to pick out who did the thing and looking for nuance and she went to the left or whatever. This is basically the same thing because there's no surprise at the end of it. I don't know whether you know about a YouTube channel called Emergency Awesome. He does analysis and breakdowns of trailers and series. And one of the best things that happened during Game of Thrones was I'd watch the episode and then I'd go and watch his half hour long breakdown that explained all of this stuff and I knew that John Snow was a Targaryen. Oh, yeah, yeah, actually I watched a ton of that and also yeah, I was just really into a wiki of ice and fire I don't know if you know what that is. It's basically the wikipedia for that series

So when I was bored I was just because I because I was, man, I was really, really obsessed with not just Game of Thrones, but a song of ice and fire. Like, I was really, really into it. So very early on, mind you, I was a sophomore in college when it started coming out. So it's like, my consumption of this was considerable. I mean, it was literally 10 years of my life or over that, where I was like into this thing and to have it end like it did was, that was the slap in the face, but sorry, I interrupted you. No, that was it, man. Just that I imagine that if you've got an unbelievable insight

when it comes to movies, it kind of would be more like. I wouldn't say I have an unbelievable insight, but with a star as born, I knew because like, the trailer had kind of alluded to Bradley Cooper being a piece of shit, right? Or or have or being this this doomed rock star. Okay. And the moment the woman comes up to me and says, hey, it's a sad ending. So I want to get out of here. I like, I don't want to like interrupt the ending or something like that. And I'm just like, oh, so he dies. Thanks. He dies. Okay. Cool. Let's get on with the movie. Thank you. Look, dude. Let's bring this one home. Your current movie project that you're looking for

funding for. Where can people go to check that out? Go to wefunder.com and then search the wait. So it's the wait LLC, we created an LLC, we created a lot of stuff to get this we fund. It's wait a W E I G H T. Yes, the wait. And right now we have over $150,000 raised and we have a lead investor. We have a lot of things in place.

The backend is completely full. We have everything we need to get this thing going, and people can not just donate, they can invest and actually have the potential to make their money back and make more money, but also be part of the production of the first weight lifting based narrative feature film. And your socials and all that stuff as well, where should people go? Yeah, Coach underscore ZT on Instagram and my name is Zach Talender on YouTube. Time to appreciate you. you