Modern Wisdom - #513 - 450k Q&A - Joe Rogan, NoFap & Andrew Tate vs Jordan Peterson

Episode Date: August 15, 2022

I hit 450k Subscribers on YouTube!! To celebrate, I asked for questions and got nearly 1000 this time, so here's another 90 minutes of me trying to answer as many as possible. As usual there's some very cool questions in here about my experience on Joe Rogan's podcast, dating advice for young people and my thoughts on masculinity. Expect to learn whether I think Jordan Peterson should debate Andrew Tate, how to become a better speaker, whether I would rather fight Joe Rogan or Mike Tyson in an MMA match, if TikTok is a harbinger of the apocalypse, whether I'm worried about too much fame, my favourite supplements to stay sharp, how to make friends when you're growing as a person, how to succeed in dating without using apps and much more... Sponsors: Get $100 off plus an extra 15% discount on Qualia Mind at https://bit.ly/mindwisdom (use code MW15) Get £150 discount on Eight Sleep products at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get the Whoop 4.0 for free and get your first month for free at http://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours at https://www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get over 37% discount on all products site-wide from MyProtein at https://bit.ly/proteinwisdom (use code: MODERNWISDOM) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D and Free Shipping from Athletic Greens at https://athleticgreens.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello friends, welcome back to this show. My guest today is me. I hit 450,000 subscribers on YouTube and to celebrate I asked for questions and got nearly a thousand this time, so here's another 90 minutes of me trying to answer as many as possible. As usual, there's some very cool questions in here about my experience on Joe Rogan's podcast, dating advice for young people and my thoughts on masculinity. Expect to learn whether I think Jordan Peterson should debate Andrew Tate, how to become a

better speaker, whether I would rather fight Joe Rogan or Mike Tyson in an MMA match, if TikTok is a harbinger of the apocalypse, whether I'm worried about too much fame, my favorite supplements to stay sharp, how to make friends when you're growing as a person, how to succeed in dating without using apps, and much more. It goes without saying 450,000 is ridiculous. We've set the target of 400k by the end of this year, and God knows where we're going to end up. Maybe 550, maybe 600, maybe even more. Thank you to everyone that supports the show. I love you all to bits. This is also the final 50k of Q&As after 500 I'm gonna do them every 100 because it's like a monthly thing at the moment and I want to keep them

special and also give you guys opportunity to come up with cool questions in between. So this one then 500 and then it'll be 678 so on and so forth after that. Also if you're new here don't forget that you probably haven't subscribed, and that means you're going to miss episodes. I have three of the biggest guests I've ever had on the show coming up before the end of this year, and you don't want to miss it. Also, it makes me very happy, and it is the best way to support the show. So if you want to say, well done for hitting 450k, please just press subscribe on Apple

Podcasts or Spotify or wherever else you're listening. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome me. What's happening people, welcome back to the show. It is a 450,000 subscriber Q&A episode. I know it's not been long since the 400,000 episode, but it's been a good run this year, okay? And after 500, it's going to be every 100,000 subs that we do, Q&A's. So this is the last little one that we're going to do. As usual, ask for questions on Instagram and YouTube and locals and Twitter. And it took Assistant Ben an entire day to put them

into a document. So if yours doesn't get answered today, I am sorry, tried to condense them down so that lots of questions about Rogan or Andrew Tate or whatever have been pushed into individual ones. And if yours doesn't get answered then next time 500 isn't too far away. Let's get into it. Nubegato. Fucking what a username. Thoughts on nofap. I don't know man.

Nofap to me seems like it makes sense for people that are pathological fappers. If you've got your hand on your penis for many hours a day I don't know man, like no fat to me seems like it makes sense for people that are pathological fappers if you've got your hand on your penis for many hours a day or you're scrolling through porn hub a lot then simply by stopping doing that you're going to free up perhaps two hours maybe more and that's going to give you a lot of productivity benefit. However, I don't think that the levitating off the ground and women being able to smell your pheromones and test us run through the roof, I'm a little bit more cautious around that, so I don't have a particular aversion to know fat, but I'm also not a fanboy. Johnny Q.C.E.

You sent an article to Chris Kavanaugh about audience capture and other phenomena. Do you feel that any of these are applicable to yourself or are there any that you guard against? Yes, I think that any creator, Chris and myself included would agree that audience capture is a big deal that you need to be careful of, the people that don't understand. When you are a creator and you start making stuff on the internet, you find that certain pieces of content end up resonating more with the audience, and that can create a feedback mechanism where you stop creating what you want to create and instead create what the audience wants to see. So this is like the sold out grifter, chill, like red meat for the whatever mob thing that people get

accused of. And the problem is that once you start to go down that path, it's basically impossible to turn back around. I think that it's permanently a dynamic that I need to be conscious of, and I try as best as I can. It's difficult because people can resonate with an episode because it's genuinely amazing and interesting and adds value, or they can resonate with an episode because it's read me, clickbait, lowest common denominator, limbic hijack bullshit. Working out which ones which is kind of difficult. However, being friends with someone like Chris and a bunch of other people helps to keep me in check because they're not going to take my excuse

about why I did X, Y, or Z. And just you have a felt sense, you have an understanding like, look, am I doing this because I genuinely care about what this person has to say? And I think that they're interesting and I'm curious about them. Or is it because I know that it's going to get clicks and I don't care about them or it's against my morals, like playing that balance is what's important. Alexander Rosenfeld, what do you invest in?

Crypto real estate stocks or something else? So almost all of my spare net worth is in real estate. I've got a bunch of properties in the UK, massive fan of buy-tollets and that's been something I learned from the business partners I had when I was in Club promo. That was their process for building up cash and then putting it into something which hedges against inflation, which actively earns, which can be capital gains over time. But I'm not super optimized when it comes to the way that my money is moved around.

Real estate to me is something that's good, but that stocks and stuff, I've put some money into the S&P crypto, I've got maybe five grand, I had five grand in there, which is probably like one grand now. But yeah, real estate for me is where I like to put my money. I understand it.

It's safe as far as I can see. And yeah, the fact that you have a capital gains generating asset that actually creates revenue in the interim as well is pretty cool. Fuck me. Tats. K. Tats. Gavikki.

What was it like being on JRE after looking up to him for so long and having listened to so many episodes of his? I found the episode fantastic, by the way, so congratulations and well done. Thank you. It was a little bit surreal being on it, but nowhere near as surreal as I thought it probably would have been. The whole experience was dope.

We mean, we mean it would be texting a good bit since I got off and I look forward to seeing what happens in the future with him. He's a dope guy. He is an unbelievably competent podcaster as well. You think it's someone that knows what they're doing. You think, I've done 500 episodes of this. I've got myself to a position where I genuinely understand the art form.

And then you step into the arena with somebody like him and you go, oh, holy fuck, there's levels to this. Is ability to be very casual and meandering with the conversation while still keeping it moving? Is use of silences, fantastic. His ability to ask questions and push when he needs to, to sit back. He's able to prompt responses with statements rather than questions, which is unbelievably cool.

The guys boss and I'm happy that I'm connected with him. I'm happy that we're texting and I'm really, really happy that he was super enthusiastic about meeting me and hearing lessons and stuff that I've created. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's been a good few weeks. Lewis, Lex Friedman is already booked, I hope. So I mean, Lexa Buddies, but he is also trying to create a robot army or whatever it is that he does. So podcasting isn't the number one priority that he's got. And given that, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. That being said, the rest of this year has some, I've got three bookings that are just outrageous for the remainder of 2022. What can I say about them? I can say that one will be in Austin,

one will be in New York and one will be in Las Vegas. Those are the three that we've got. They're not dates and timed in yet, so I can't quite release it, but they're beyond huge. And the one in the final one in Vegas is just insane. So yeah, hold on for that one. And Lex, hopefully at some point. Communist cat, is it correct that you're in the Austin TX area? Yes, it is.

I remember that there was a get together some time ago. It would be cool to do that on somewhat of a regular basis. Maybe one to quarter or every month or two, or maybe virtual in a Zoom type called. This is from the locals community, modernwisdom.locals.com. And yes, we did do a meetup and it was very, very fun and I did it with Rob Henderson, my good friend, and we just had a blast and maybe between 1500

people turned up, it was a lot of people, a hell of a lot of people, and everyone was super interesting and super smart. I would be well up for doing that again. So yeah, keep your eyes peeled, I guess, if you're in the Austin area. Also back in the UK in September for a couple of weddings and a couple of other recordings that I've got. So I might try and do something in the UK, but it's probably going to be too tight. So UK might have to be next year. Claire McCleod, what resources did you use or training? Did you undertake to develop your speaking and conversation skills for your show? So I think I might have mentioned this before, but a big part of it was simply just putting the reps in with the show itself. So, you know, 500 and whatever

it is, 10, 20 episodes within the space of four years, do anything 500 times and you're probably going to get pretty good at it. I also started working with a speech therapist, a guy called Miles Usher, if you Google Speak Well, I think his company might be SpeakWell.org or SpeakWell.co.uk. He's fantastic. I have had some comedy coaching. I've had a bunch of comedy coaching, actually, and I'm considering going to start doing some improv stuff as well. You have to remember that people like Rogan, right? They've greased the groove and sharpened their tools of communication and presence and yes and style communication. They've done all of that on stage thousands of times before they even started doing podcasting. The difference is if you haven't got that stage-type background

where you've had classical training or professional training or whatever, the only way that you can do that with podcasting is to practice in public. And that means that all of your errors are there for people to observe and scrutinize and laugh at over time. But one of the beautiful things is that it means it's tracked that progression, you know, you can see episode 150, 100, 150, 200, 250, and you can see how that skill set develops over time, which is cool, because you don't, you know, moving from one movie to the next,

it's not sufficiently frequent to be able to see the iterations. But yeah, those are the main things, and it's also been very intentional about it as well. Like I've genuinely tried to become better at speaking and conversation and getting comfortable with silence and all of that stuff. Syrus, is your accent considered to be Jordy? Do you think it'll become more Texan now that you live in

Austin? I would say that it's a twang of northern people that really, really know the northeast of England as accents go will detect a bit of tea-side in there, rather than Jordy. I don't think that most people would. People in the UK would probably detect that I was from somewhere up north, but they wouldn't really be able to say where. I definitely don't think that it's going to become more Texan. I have started picking up some Texan slang, but it's more American slang, just because it was words

I would have to say twice. So I can't say, drop me off just outside of those bins there because there's bins outside of the house I live in in Austin that trash cans, right? Or like outside of those like outside of the trash. Or talking about dollars, using dollars instead instead of talking about pounds. Like just little things, it's terminology that I've had to change. But in terms of accent, I can't see me picking that up. Silent Seeker.

To become the current podcast king, you need to fight either Joe Rogan or Mike Tyson in and no rules about. Who would you choose and why? Do you have any martial arts training? Or would you be eyes closed, wind milling in? Um, fuck that's a good question. So I watched Joe have his knee, he had a bump on his knee like a, um, bruise. The first thing that happened when I arrived at the studio was he came in, Chuck Mahan said hi, and

then his nurse that's on sight at all times, poked a hole in his knee and I watched him squeeze like, bruise fluid out of his knee for 10 minutes. I really don't want to be anywhere near an angry version of that guy. I think Mike Tyson, didn't Mike Tyson say that he was on the verge of death recently? There was headlines talking about how Mike Tyson was adamant, he was nearly going to die. I still think Mike Tyson's gonna be an angry, angry guy,

but if I can somehow incapacitate the arms, I reckon I've got him at the legs. So I'm going to take Mike and strategy just run at him very, very fast. Hope that he gets tired. He smokes a lot of weed, try and catch him on a Sunday or something when he's blazed out of his mind. I don't know. Ahead of the zeitgeist, do you think you've been disadvantaged by your looks? That's a good question.

I was lamenting the difficulty of somebody that comes from a modeling or reality TV background for being taken seriously in the world of whatever you want to call this, like sense-making or talking on the internet, right? That it can cause people to have presumptions about what it is that you're going to talk about or about the quality of your insights, because you have a particular look or whatever. I've kind of come to realize that that's just a difficult needle to thread to be able to say, yeah, like the fact that you come from modeling background actually makes everything more difficult. Like, maybe it does, but it's very difficult to say that a person who came from an ugly background

would not be more disadvantaged than someone that came in. Like just because many professors might not have super cool drip doesn't mean that they've got a better advantage than people that come from other backgrounds. So no, I think overall no. The Halo effect is real, you know, people that are whatever like classically good looking or something have better outcomes throughout their lives. It's supposedly, and I don't know, stuff seems to go well for a lot of my friends

that are good looking. So maybe that's it, maybe it's, maybe all of the intellectual virtue, integrity, building, wisdom, stuff, his whole shit, and maybe everyone's just being judged and they're looks for the rest of time. Madeline Kylie, what are the main insights you've gained from Joe Rogan experience? What's so many, like, I reflected a lot about this in the week after I recorded with Joe,

a lot of the stuff to do with his ability and I've tried to bring the elements of that that I think I'm lacking across into the show. So I'm trying to be more casual, more conversational. In terms of actual insights from the conversation, the main one that I took away, which I put in the three-minute Monday newsletter, and if you're not subscribed, you can go and sign up right now. It's ChrisWillX.com slash books,

free reading list with 100 books that you should read before you die and it signs you up to my mailing list and a lot of the things that I spoke about on Rogan, I've written in that newsletter over the last two years. They've been concepts that I've come up with or stolen from elsewhere or pieced together and the one that I came up with there is just because something is difficult to attain doesn't mean that it's valuable. So Rogan was talking about the fact that a lot of people would hold up in high acclaim, the watch that you're wearing, or the car that you're driving, or the girl that you're with, and people get confused and believe that that is something which is worthwhile, simply because it's difficult to attain. But then you attain it and you realize, hang in a second, this isn't actually worthwhile. It's just hard. And the challenge of getting it is used as a proxy

for the value of it. And I was like, holy fuck, I got there before he finished saying it. And I was like, this is amazing. So that was the best insight. That was like three and a half hours sat down with him. that one insight was worth it, 100%. Be couch 37. How do you retain all of the knowledge and insights that are introduced to you on your show? I don't. There's this concept from Tim Ferris called, look at me, using a concept from Tim

to explain how concepts don't stick in my mind. There's an idea from Tim Ferris called The Good Shit Sticks and that is the best solution that I've found. If you're someone that consumes a lot of content on the internet and you don't have the type of demeanor that has a perfect external brain, personal knowledge management system thing like Tiago Forte or Ali Abdahl, if you don't have that, just allow The Good Shit, the stuff that resonates with you, existential to stick about, because it will.

The insights like that one from Rogan about worthwhile and valuable, I can't not remember it. I couldn't forget it even if I wanted to. And I think a lot of the time we see something that doesn't resonate with us and we presume that because it's interesting or cool, maybe or said by somebody that we think is respectable or has a good insight about life, that we should remember it because, I don't know, maybe we'll need it in future. And maybe that's true, but for the most part, I think we consume more information, we consume too much, not too little. And given that, the

gold and rule is about filtering, not seeking. So it's about getting signal from the noise as opposed to getting more noise. And for me, the best solution that I've found, and maybe this is a cope, right? Maybe it's a cope that I don't have a structured personal knowledge management system, but just allowing the stuff that really resonates with me to stick about and everything else just falls away. So the reason that the ideas that I got to talk about specifically on Rogan, but also on the show, the reason that I know them so well is because I genuinely care about them.

There's not much that's in my mind, that's something that's there simply as a story that I can bring up. It's because it was something that was super meaningful to me and I thought, fuck, like I need to keep a hold of that. That's the best solution that I've found. Just allow the stuff that you care about to rise to the top. Maybe do a little bit of studying. Revisited every so often, certainly the newslight for me is a hugely important way, because I have

to teach it kind of, I teach it to myself. I guess I'm only writing to me that just happens to be like 40,000 people on a mailing list that are listening to it too. Having an outlet is great. The Feynman technique of teaching in order to be able to remember yourself, but just allow the good shit to stick. I think that works. Delia Burgess, how long did you grind away at Modern Wisdom before you felt like it really gained traction? So I think we did more plays in a single day on YouTube, one, like many of the days, so far in 2022, than in the entire first two years, maybe even the first three years of the entire channel.

I certainly know that I did more plays this week on audio than the entire first year or first two years of audio plays. So basically forever, that's the way that any exponential curve looks, right? That every time that you start to zoom out a little bit more and move a bit further along the curve, the previous however long looks poultry because it's just flat, everything becomes flat, flat, flat, and then it's further along the curve. The previous, however long, looks poultry because it's just flat. Everything becomes flat, flat, flat, and then it's just this hockey stick. So forever, basically. Like, we've, me and Dean have worked in relative silence and darkness for three years, three and a bit years, probably until the Peterson episode. But Peterson was like episode 360 something, I think.

episode, but Peterson was like episode 360 something, I think. So we've done a hell of a lot of work up until the point at which we're no longer completely invisible, and then even looking back at the plays that Peterson got back in the day, whatever, April 2021, what we do now now makes that look tiny. So basically, if you want to do something like a podcast or a YouTube channel, don't expect immediate results, but expect huge results if you keep on sticking at it five years down the line, because most people have already given up by that point. Lewis, why don't you have more followers? All of the content I've seen of yours is of highest quality with stimulating conversation between thoughtful individuals, even after the mecha that is Joe Rogan, keep up the hard

work. Cheers. Cheers to you, Lewis. I don't know, man, like, literally what I just said, it's a very, very long game to get to any appreciable size of growth. And especially on YouTube, you have to think, even though you guys that are listening, and me, I adore long-form conversations, I can sit and listen to Lex,

go on with somebody for four hours, or Rogan do a big episode But that's not what most of the internet is after most of the internet is Board by TikToks, you know like this comment on the YouTube channel that says who's got the time to sit and listen to an hour and a half conversation well, obviously not you so It's still an unbelievably niche medium to be pushing stuff down. Think about even TV, I haven't caught up with this. TV needs to split up segments into two to three minutes

so that they can get to the next ad break within the next 10. I think that we will get there. I'm confident in the conversations, the skill set that me and Dean have built up the workflow that we've built up. Like everything's there. It's just a case now of continuing to enjoy the conversations, the skill set that me and Dean have built up the workflow that we've built up, like everything's there. It's just a case now of continuing to enjoy the ride, finding you interesting people, get better at what I need to do, network more, bring on fantastic guests, try and do new different things like the high quality productions, and bring in people that no one's ever heard of before. That's it. It's just a case of

playing the time game. The more followers will come, and it's got to the stage now where I'm pretty confident that that's going to happen. So I don't have anything to worry about. More followers are going to continue to arrive. We've passed the threshold, where I think I could even stop them from arriving. So all I've got to do is enjoy the journey.

I think not Leo Tolstoy. Thoughts on TikTok. I saw a couple of podcasts, read their policies, even your Instagram pinned video talks about that. Do you think it's manipulative and making a generation addicted? Yes, absolutely. I do not like TikTok. I do not use it. The social media guys that look after the short videos that I make post on it on my behalf. And I do not, I don't like going on there. It is perfectly designed to keep people on there. I'll never forget me and George Mack were in Dubai two years ago. And there was this girl that George was talking to in a bar and they got on to screen time or something.

And he said, oh, can you show me how much time you spend on your phone? This girl spent 12 hours a day on her phone. George went and had a look, and it was eight hours a day on TikTok. Absolutely fucking wild. Like how on earth anybody thinks that that is a good way to spend your time. And it's not just an addiction,

it's a compulsion. And this is a difference that I've learned from Andrew Huberman, that the addiction involves a payoff, the compulsion doesn't have a payoff on the other side of it. And I think that a lot of people now are just behaviorally compulsive when it comes to spending time on their phone. Like how many times, if you've ever done this, this is part of the compulsion, right? You're on a plane, you pull your phone out of your pocket, you know that you don't have signal, and yet you still cycle through a bunch of the different apps that you would do usually.

Well, you know that there's no payoff coming. That's not part of the addiction, that's part of the compulsion. So yeah, I don't like TikTok. I think that if the opportunity was there, it's 100% in that negative, just burn it to the ground. MMA wrapped up, why do men have only fans? I'm going to guess that you mean why do men pay for only fans, as opposed to why do why are

they're men on only fans selling their nudes? I think it's sad, lonely men that are being commercialized by girls that can do. Like, and part of you think, so is it on the girls to not do that? These guys are willingly paying them. It's like the virtual girlfriend experience thing, but it's a sad state of affairs, the fact that we've managed to get ourselves to that position. And for all of the talk of the patriarchy and capitalist greed, I think it's like 10% of only fans' models make 95% of the income, something like that. It's hugely skewed towards the top few. And you have to think that this is basically the reverse of a polygionist

society where you would have one man with many women because he have one woman with many men. And a lot of these men are actually going to feel, I don't know, some sense of obligation or connection with this woman. So there's a power dynamic that's been changed there, which is pretty interesting. Eddie Fresh, do you consider yourself to be part of the manosphere? I don't know what that is, to be honest. I brought it up to Joe, he laughed. I really don't know. It would all depend on who's definition of that. It is. If manosphere means people that are having interesting conversations on the internet about the roles of men and women in modern society, yes, that would be me. If it's men being assisted in understanding their place in the world and how to moderate their behavior given the new stimulus and the new environment that we have. Yes, that would also be part

of it. But like the whole red pill, black pill, in cell, migtow, fresh and fit, PUA stuff is not, that's not my vibe. Like I'm not bringing on girls to berate them and tell them that they're hypergamous and all of that stuff. But I do want there to be an interesting conversation about how men can have a firmer place to stand in the world. I think that that's a valuable conversation to have. I think that it means that women will have better men to get into relationships with. Women are the ones that are single because men are the ones that are unable to get into relationships. Like it's not good for anybody at the moment. And I do think that women are, on average, doing better than men.

That doesn't mean that women need to be brought down. That means that we need to be able to help to raise men up. And I think that a lot of the man's fear is focused on bringing women back down as opposed to helping men to focus on just look, get as better as you can. That's not to say that men don't have problems. That's not to say that there aren't asymmetries in the way that the world is designed or the particular groups have been raised up. My point is simply that men need to do as well as they can and they need to be playing a positive some game as much as possible in collaboration with women

and that communication across the board from men to women is one of the reasons why I keep on bringing on girls on the show Nina power Louise Perry Mary Harrington. I'm talking to women about men's problems in a desperate attempt to show that you can have conversations about this I think that's very important Andy Farrell five Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate need to have a conversation thoughts Do they or they talk about? If Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate need to have a conversation, thoughts, do they? What would they talk about? What would Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson talk about? Like, Andrew is blowing up on the internet at the moment.

He recently got mainstream media, they were trying to cancel him because of some stuff that came out a long time ago about Big Brother. That I'm a Jordan Peterson fan and me and Andrew have known each other out a long time ago about Big Brother. That I'm a Jordan Peterson fan and me and Andrew have known each other for a long time. That conversation doesn't excite me. There's conversations that I would be interested to see Andrew have. I would be very interested to see him talk to Logan or Jake Paul. I would be interested to see him sit down one-on-one with Hassan Abbey. Jordan Peterson doesn't excite me. Mark, speak man, how did you feel

at receiving the invite to Rogan slash how did you prepare the night before? Okay, so he DMed me on Instagram. So I'm recording the 400K Q&A in here for you guys, right? And I'm saying someone asked, when are you going on Rogan? I was like, look, he followed me on Instagram, but I don't even know if the guy knows who I am. I honestly thought that it was an accidental follow or something. Then I finished

that. I go to training and I come back and I find out that as I was saying, I don't think Joe Rogan knows who I am. I received a message from Joe saying, Hey, brother, let's record a podcast on Instagram. And I was like, holy fuck, put the phone down and honestly looked at a wall for about three minutes. Just didn't know what to say. And then message Dean, and I said half 12, message him a ton of times on Facebook Messenger. I was like, Dini, you up, Dini you up. I need to speak to you. Dini, you're like, yeah, what's wrong? What's happened? I was like, sending him the screenshot. So it kind of terrifying. The most scary thing of the whole Rogan process was the invite because that was the biggest change I think in expectation

because you go from zero to 100 on that. Everything else, the preparation, the sitting down, the going into the studio, the meeting Jamie, all that stuff. That's just once you're on the roller coaster, that's just part of you continuing down the tracks. The invite was the most terrifying part. How did you prepare the night before? I got a taxi back from Dallas at midnight, and I got into Austin at 4am, two days before.

So I was trying to fly back from Virginia Norfolk Virginia Norfolk Virginia flight cancelled Moved my flight to Newport News flight cancelled moved my flight to Richmond, Virginia drove for an hour and 45 to get there All thinking if I can just get to Austin tonight and sleep in my bed I'll get one more night sleep and then I can do Rogan the next day Got there flight from Richmond gets delayed, delayed, delayed, delayed. Finally, I actually managed to make it

and I'm thinking for fuck's sake, if I wake up in Richmond tomorrow morning with Rogan the day after that, I'm gonna feel, I'm gonna be worried, I'm gonna be concerned, I need to sleep and feel good, blah, blah. Got into Dallas at midnight and then got an Uber for four hours from Dallas to Austin, which cost 320 bucks. Which wasn't that bad, but the guy drove a Tesla,

so he had to stop twice on route. And to be fair, the dude that gave me a lift was an absolute legend. Young kid just did everything in anything that was needed to get me back, was doing pushups and lunges during the break. So he's obviously in a person development. And if I ever see him again, I'm going to buy him a beer because that was a big part of it.

Walk up the next day and then manage to move myself into a relatively OK sleep cycle, got to sleep that final night and then yeah, trained on the morning, felt great, went to Rogan's at whatever 1pm or something and then cracked on. Her C grow, her 350K pod, you mentioned not wanting to go past level of fame any change. Okay, yeah, so does this article from Tim Faris called 13 reasons not to get famous and you should go and read it once you finish listening to this because it's very, very cool. He basically talks about what happens if you blast through a ceiling of fame. I actually told Rogan about this after the podcast when we were chilling out and I don't think it's a concern for me right now.

I mean, I'm not even small, I'm like so small, I'm like nano-free. But there definitely is a such a thing as too much fame. And I wouldn't like to go past it. The problem being that how do you stop, you know, if the thing that you do that you really value and care about is continuing to grow, what do you do? Do you try and be less effective at the growth of the thing that you really care about? Because maybe in two years time you're going to be moving at such a speed that you can't stop it when you blast through some ceiling of fame that means that you can't go to public gyms anymore or whatever. It's such an interesting conversation because so few people have this problem, so few people have the problem of breaking through that. And then for the people that do,

there are basically no mental models or accepted wisdom around how to deal with it. And also, it's like a boo, it's like the, is it a disadvantage being good looking or whatever? Boo who, who's going to cry for the person that's got too much status or too much fame or too much recognition or money or something? Basically no one. But it is an interesting challenge. I mean, Andrew Tate has definitely blasted through way too much fame, liver king, too much fame. You know, when you can't go anywhere without security, to me, that seems like that's a heavy price to pay. Uh,

and you need to make sure that you have resources, like monetary resources that allow you to live a life that is still comfortable, um, and not constrained by the constraints of fame. that allow you to live a life that is still comfortable and not constrained by the constraints of fame. So for instance, if you can't go to the gym, a local commercial gym, because you're gonna be mobbed by people that want photos or to ask you questions,

you need to have had enough money come in in order to be able to build a gym at home and maybe have a personal trainer or bring your friends around or do whatever. The same thing goes for dinners. You need to be able to have a private dining home and maybe have a personal trainer or bring your friends around to do whatever. The same thing goes for dinners. Like you need to be able to have a private dining area every time that you want to go out. If that's the thing that you want to do,

it's a fascinating discussion. I really want to do a podcast with somebody about this. Right now, not a concern, but definitely something that I keep in mind. Nick, Rhombuscus, favorite clothing brands. I wear a lot of Zara, tons of Zara. That's kept me going for probably a decade now. That is the only place in America that I've managed to find that is consistent with the European styles. A lot of this stuff that

gets made for the American market, the sizing is different, the styling is different. It's kind of big and garish. And when it comes to sportswear, at the moment, I am all over the place because I'm in between sponsors. However, there will be a new sportswear sponsor coming on for Monomers very soon. And I'm gasped to start working with them. But I've got stuff from Reebok, they're fantastic. ASOS, man, ASOS Crush. ASOS Own Label for pretty much everything. I think it's called A506 or something, 406 it might be. Yeah, 406 is their sportswear brand

and they make awesome shorts and the 12 pounds or 13 pounds or something. And I got one of every single different color. I'm that guy. Jose Vargas, what are your thoughts on Bitcoin and can I have half of what you own? Jose, as I said earlier on, I may be owned 5 grand of Bitcoin and there is not going to be very much left. So you can have all of it and it probably wouldn't touch the sides of your bank account. To oh no Carter, you are so very British. How does that feel? Imperial.

Ms. Q, how old are you? I thought you were in your late 20s, but you recently said something to make me think this is off. I'm 34, but I'll take the compliment, the same week, I think that I spoke about the moisturizer thing on this, the last Q&A. I got accused again of having had Botox, which is funny. E-E-U-I-J-Y-N-J-N. What color is your Bugatti? I need to take to buy me one. Apparently, it's buying everyone one. So fuck it. Alvin Rivera, I heard your were a creepy club promoter.

Is it true? I was a club promoter and a lot of club promoters are creepy. I think one of the problems that you have as a club promoter is that your entire, the currency that you traffic in is direct messages, right? So you're messaging individual people saying, hi, mate, you out tonight, hi, darling, you out tonight, hi, mate, you out tonight. Like that is literally how you get people from not being in a venue to being in a venue. If that constitutes being a club promoter, then I was the creepiest of them all, but it also meant that we were the most successful. So, part for the course. Allu is Erky. Russell Brand, please.

Beginning to circle the outside of Russell Brand's stuff at the moment, but he's kind of gone a bit like new world order, they're coming for you. You won't believe what's happened This is just the beginning like I don't know I would be very interested to have a sit down with him and go look man like Is there any way that you can ratchet down the volume? That you're putting out online because holy shit like it's so spicy like everything is the most extreme So I don't know um he's obviously got an like a kind of an extremist personality that's somebody that went to the complete extreme of drug use the complete extreme of dedicating himself to film

did he have a sex addiction or was that only in the film get him to the Greek? I can't remember, but Interesting guy, lots of things to talk about would love to have him on the podcast, but would also definitely need to challenge him about, come on man, like let's just fucking let's bring it down a little bit, a little bit of peace, you know. LJ22. Congratulations on 450,000. Apologies for the strange format of the question, but hopefully it makes sense. Narrative one, Glaston B. 2022 was headlined by an 80-year-old

with special guests to a 72 and 53. Paul McCartney, Bruce Springsteen, and Dave Grohl, respectively. In the same week, this took place. Kate Bush was number one in the UK charts with a song that had originally been released 37 years earlier. Youth culture is suffering. And these places, headlining glassed and breathe,

slash occupying number one in the chart, should be the preserve of people who aren't drawing a pension. That was in quotes. Narrative two, quote, the content that the majority of young people will have consumed in the last 24 hours will have been created in the preceding 24 hours. Hype on novelty on a social media carousel traveling at the speed of young people will have consumed in the last 24 hours, will have been created in the preceding 24 hours. Hypo novelty on a social media carousel, traveling at the speed of light.

Content that cannot claim legitimacy and cultural stamina as it won't have the opportunity to endure and be tested. End of quote. In your opinion, from a societal perspective, should both of these things cause us concern or just the existence of both simultaneously mean that there is no issue. So, narrative one is about the fact that older people and older pieces of content, I like Lindy's stuff, is popular at the moment. Narrative two, the concern is that most of the content that everybody consumes is not Lindy.

I think that both of these things can be true without fixing the problem of the other. I don't have any issue with older musicians crushing it because young musicians are definitely crushing it. Like Beyonce's albums just come out. It was the most streamed album by a female ever in a single day. You know, lots and lots of young artists are doing absolutely fine as far as I can see, might be wrong. Totally sweet for Kate Bush to be number one in the charts with a 40 year old song. That's pretty cool. The content that the majority of people have been consumed in the last 24 hours being created in the last 24 hours isn't fixed by the fact that the stuff at the top of the tree is Lindy. Like, you can have 99% of the content

that's consumed to be not Lindy. And then the 1% to be Lindy, I like, I've proven over a long period of time, that be the stuff that's the most visible or important or highest status and then the 99% be almost everything else and it be complete dross just total limbic hijack bullshit. That both of those things up. There's no problem with the Top end stuff that is not that is that fixes. Sorry. There's no Assistance of the top end stuff that fixes the bottom end stuff not that is that fixes, sorry, there's no assistance of the top end stuff that fixes the bottom end stuff. No, basically we need to try and dial down how much content we consume.

We need to encourage people to make longer, long form or at least long life span pieces of content that hopefully everyone is actually going to enjoy over time. Most of the stuff that everybody creates, they wouldn't even want to see or even remember in two months' time. And yet, you've spent five seconds or ten seconds or fifteen seconds watching it. It's like, that by definition is mindless. So I don't think that there is no issue. I still think that there is an issue. And no amount of Kate Bush number one is going to fix the fact that almost everything everyone consumes has been made in the last day. Malcolm Larry, how many new subs, slash downloads after JRE, don't know yet. Right now, today, when I'm recording this, Mono Muslim is number two in all podcasts in America, which is fucking insane. Number two in all podcasts, it's number two

in Canada ahead of the full send podcast, the Naltvoys just had Elon Musk on their podcast. I have no idea what to think about that, but the YouTube is already doing great. That's been flying pretty much all year. Like this spikes for sure, but it's just increasing the growth trajectory. It's not, it was a big bump on audio, but video on YouTube is just a beast all of its own at the moment. So yeah, long live the growth trajectory. 51 North, 61 North, did you watch Love Island 2022? I saw tiny snippets on what it nothing outside of Twitter. I saw stuff on Twitter and then my boy, Collard, went on. So I watched a little bit of him. He seemed to get on great. We've got a call later this week, which would be cool to catch up with him. But no, I've never watched, I didn't watch my entire season

through the one that I did whatever seven years ago. I didn't watch my entire season through the one that I did whatever seven years ago. I didn't watch that back. I haven't watched any of the other seasons since then. It would have been very easy to have just done Love Island reacts stuff, especially as an ex-Islander. That would have been a way to have, I guess, kickstarted the channel. We did a what it's really like on Love Island thing, which was the first episode that ever blew up. And we could have, that would have been audience capture, right? Going back to what I said at the start, had I have just turned into love islandery wisdom, that would have been audience capture.

But I have no desire to spend. I lived it, right? I spent a month living on love island. I don't, I don't need to go back and then voluntarily watch more of it I've spent more time in that villa than almost anybody anybody that's watching it So jumping in and then deciding to watch it again is like okay Cameron 4987 how sexy is your modern wisdom episode with Rogan going to be If and when we get him confirmed, I asked him on the show

at the end of my episode and his, look man, like I'd love to bring you on the show and he said yes, if and when that happens, we will do something very special. We'll do something that looks fucking spectacular for that. Michael Jag, where are you shopping for wavy new garments in America? Dude, honestly, Zara is the only place. Like, it's the only place I've managed to find that I can shop in so far. That and ASOS, and I'm pretty sure that ASOS is a British company that just happens to fulfill in America.

Mindful Mitch, a Senegalese pirate has both your parents' captive, what's your tactic to get them back? Ring Tim Kennedy. I've got Tim Kennedy's number. Ring Tim, say, Tim, I need you to go and help me kill a Senegalese pirate. I imagine that that's the sort of thing that Tim literally lives for. Ring him, watch Chaos in Shoe. Nathan Mars was Jorogun subconsciously part of the plan when moving to America. If

it was subconscious, wouldn't have known about it. There's certainly a good ecosystem that's been built up in Austin because of him being here and Malice and Lex and Alex Jones, like he who shot up be named. And everybody else that's here, drinking bros, Aubrey Marcus, took a max, like there's a lot of creative people that the crush that live here. I don't know, I mean, he is the guy that makes this industry at the moment, he's the trend setter, I suppose, and getting that exposure is pretty perfect,

but it definitely wasn't part of a formal plan at all. Erwin, you are chi. When will you hire people to free up time for yourself? Fantastic question, you and Erwin. Sorry. I don't know. I mean, I really could do with a general manager now that just picks out all of the bits of grit from the operation and is sufficiently familiar with the way that the creative industry

works, podcasting, ads, all that stuff because it is very, very, very effortful. That being said, and this is something that I've been thinking about more and more recently, like sometimes I get not mocked. It's like friendly mocking, I suppose, but a lot of other podcasters that find out, a lot of other podcasters that find out how much work I do for the show kind of scoff a little bit because it is a bit dumb to still be the person that comes up with the thumbnail design brief for the designer, which is Dean, the person that titles the episodes, the person that writes

the show notes, the person that records the intros from the show notes, that edits the audio, that uploads the audio, all of that stuff. But that being said, one of the reasons that we've had such good growth this year has to be attributed to the fact that I'm paying a lot of care and attention to the stuff that goes out. Like, the titles perfectly match up up or at least I try and make them perfectly match up with what the episodes are about because I was the one that recorded the episode. I have to be the person that knows what's in the episode better than anybody else because I was the one that was there. I researched it, I recorded it, I've listened back to it. So part of it is, I know, inefficient. And it

would be fantastic. And it will be fantastic when I get a general manager in who can start to open up operations a little bit and make it more slick and at least alleviate some of the workload from me. But on the flip side, there's a desire for people to utilize leverage and delegation before they're actually in a place when they should do. And I think that those are the people that aren't necessarily getting the results that they want because maybe the people they've delegated to are 80% or 70% as good as they are. But what they've freed up their time to do isn't adding as much of value as if they took over the stuff that makes the biggest difference.

And the biggest difference is who's coming on the show, how well are they researched, how rested do you feel, what's the tightly in the thumbnail and look like, all of that stuff, like the stuff that makes a really big difference. So I actually quite, maybe this is a cope again as well about the fact that I just fear delegating responsibility. I don't know. But yes, if you know someone that's an unbelievable operator, a really slick operator, with years of experience of dealing with chaos and understands the podcasting in YouTube world and believably well, there will probably be a job listing for them coming up pretty soon. And on the flip side, in the meantime, I am more than happy to continue eating shit because I think that that is what's setting the show apart

amongst other things from everything else. The average savage episode on JRE really resonated with me and what I've been going through. Thank you. Thank you, man. It's been, I've had a lot of messages like that, especially the last hour and a half was exactly what I wanted to get out on that show. And I'm very, very glad to hear that a lot of the stuff that we spoke about has made people feel less alone. P. Noble 3. When Lambo, you tell me, man, I don't even have a car out here in America.

I literally don't have a car. So, the Lambo would just be for show. For show. It would just be for show. For show. Why can't I say it? For show. Whatever. I wouldn't be able to drive it.

And I don't know. Lambo would be cool, but I think just getting a driver's license and a car in America would probably be a pretty good idea. Also Americans are awful at driving. There's some of the worst drivers that I've ever seen in my life in Austin. So, Lambo might be a bad idea, like Prius, maybe better, or like a battering ram of some kind. Tommy McNeigh, have you now given up promoting in America full-time? So I'm going to do a full episode or a full video, at least, like a YouTube video on this soon.

The my position within Voodoo is slowly being dialed back, and there will be like a full exit from that, I think, pretty soon. Darren has everything on lock in the UK, and I'm super, super proud of what we've built there. And I couldn't be happier that I'm now able to do something that I really love, and he is now able to make more money doing something that he is unbelievably competent at.

And it opened up roles for some of the young lads to come through as well, and they've taken on more responsibility. Like everybody's won from this situation, but for more full details and stuff on to have got everything sign sealed and delivered, I'll probably do a video about that. And it'll be cool because there'll be some interesting lessons I think about exiting a company and letting go of a sense of connection, like existential connection between you and something you've created and that's difficult, but it's kind of beautiful, but it's kind of sad, but it's kind of awesome at the same time. It's interesting. Brett's J-M-C-C is Reading List V2 coming just bought 4,000 weeks.

You have mentioned a few times. Yes, 4,000 weeks by Oliver Birkman is a fantastic book. Everyone should go and check that out. If you haven't got a copy of the reading list, I've already told you about it once. ChrisWillX.com slash books. You should go and get it. V2 maybe, maybe toward the back end of this year, I would want to have at least 50 bucks in,

just because I think if you're gonna download something, you want it to be a big chunky boy, that you can continually refer back to. I've probably got maybe 30 that I think would be worthy of going on there. There's some that I forgot about on the first one, I guess, and maybe it's up to about 40. But yeah, I will do a V2 soon. Definitely that before the Lifehacks, I think that the reading list makes more sense than another Lifehacks thing, because a lot of the Lifehacks are kind of joke bits and they don't add quite as much value. They're funny to listen to, but I think that the reading list makes more sense than another life hacks thing because a lot of the life hacks are kind of joke bits And they don't add quite as much value

They're funny to listen to but I think that the reading list is like as far as lead magnets go and something that's free that Takes you know a month or whatever to put together, but is basically evergreen and adds shit tons of value to people's lives I think it's there's nothing better than it hook book duck when Sam Harris shits tons of value to people's lives. I think there's nothing better than it. Hook, book, duck. When Sam Harris, bro, Sam, I'm ready for you. Trigonometry boys just got him. Trigonometry lads went out to LA and recorded with him

and Bill Burr and Adam Corolla. After they'd been unrogan, after they'd recorded with Theo Vaughn, and they had someone in New York as well. Those boys are crushing at the moment. So Sam appears to be in the mixer, and I've got one degree of separation away from him, but it'll happen. It'll happen eventually. Like I've got complete faith. I'm no reason to rush it. RG's pick one, simulation or God, simulation. Conor Kendall, with so many goals I have in life,

I find myself crippled at times with anxiety, advice. Just pick one of them, man. This is the last 30 minutes of the episode on Rogan. You can be anything you want, but you can't be everything you want. Pick a thing and know that this isn't the only thing for the rest of your life. Just pick a thing and get good at that for 90 days or six months or a year and then go, okay, where am I at? Do I still want to do these other things? So if you were

to say, have all of your goals, which are the ones I'm most certain about, which is the one that I think is really, really important to me, just do that one first. And if you can't do that because it sounds like you're struggling to prioritize, just pick anything and commit to it. That's the way to begin. You have to do a thing. Doesn't matter about the thing, just a thing, and start moving forward from that. Productivity, trajectory. What nutritional supplements do you use to make to stay mentally sharp? Okay. Athletic Greens every single day, element first thing in the morning, links to all of these will be in the show notes below, there'll be discount codes and stuff like that. I work with partners that I use because it's super easy to talk about why I like them if I

use them every single day. Elements first thing in the morning, authorically, greens is every day. Qualia mind, which is a product by Neurohacka Collective, is the new topic that I use. I don't use new tropics all the time or I don't use their product all of the time, but I do use it. I've used it today. Any day where I just want a little bit more and the thing that I love about Qualia mind is that they have a caffeine-free version. So I'm recording this at 10 to 6 and I took maybe four tablets two hours ago. And I have no problem sleeping because there is zero caffeine in them. They do the caffeine version, which is like a big kick up the arse. But the fact that there's a caffeine-free version is dope. So I think those.

And then actually no fish oils, I guess, would be part of that. Vitamin D would be part of that. Those would be from my protein. Um, I think that's it. I think. Water, like water, food, dietary stuff like that. But in terms of supplements, those of them, and they'll be linked in the show notes below and they'll be discount codes if you want to go and check out any of the things I've mentioned. K. Ben Dicksten, when did you first link with Michael Males? A cold tweeted Males and he tried to clown me on Twitter two in a bit years ago. Then he thought that he was going to come on and just totally like run rings and make a fool out of this hy him bow. And we ended up

within the space of 60 minutes. We ended up becoming really close friends and then spent the next two years talking to each other and then I moved out to Austin and now we're mates and we see each other every week. So that was the first experience I had with Mr. Males. Rush and size anchor. What do you not like about Austin so far? The heat, bro. It is, I mean, this is like the most awesome thing to say, but it is 38, 39, so 100 or 102-ish,

pretty much every single day. And there's been 57 days over 37 degrees or 100 degrees, like triple figures in Fahrenheit. And it's pretty unbearable. That being said, we're in August now. I go away for a week and then I'm back in the UK for three weeks. And by the time I get back, it'll be the end of September and it'll be sweet again. So it's not a bad price to pay. Must learn more. Do you feel a paternal instinct kicking in in your mid 30s or is fatherhood still a no-no as yet?, I can't wait to be a dad. I keep on saying this.

I cannot wait to be a dad. And the difference between father, me as a father at 34 versus me at 24 or even 28 is worlds apart. I can't wait to be a father. Just need to sort my life out first. Jade Holinski, 1990. Do you ever feel like no one really gets you even though they're your best friends?

This, I think, is the fundamental asymmetry that we have with the people that are around us. You get to see your existence from a front row seat, the richness of all of the different problems that you have, the people that are around us. You get to see your existence from a front row seat, right? The richness of all of the different problems that you have, the way that you feel, the unbelievable detail that you go through stuff with, and all that you ever get to hear of anybody else is what they tell you, which is such a lower bandwidth version of what they feel, and what they tell you isn't everything of what they feel because they filter some of the stuff that they feel to what they say. So you only get to see this tiny little so-destraw view of their world while seeing yours in 1080p. So of course you're going to feel alone. Of course you're going to

feel like nobody gets you because there is always this asymmetry there. That being said, you can also be around people or being a community that just doesn't seem to understand you genuinely on a fundamental level. And there was elements of that for me in the UK, which is one of the reasons why I moved. I think that what you're dealing with is incredibly normal. I don't think that that means that it should be something you either accept or don't try and fix. But don't treat it like a personal curse, right? This is just half the course of being a complex individual that has genuine varied interests in the modern world. There are seven point, however many

billion people out there, you can find people that you will resonate with. You need to go and do the work to find them. Hey, Danny Miranda, what was unexpected about your appearance on JRE. How comfortable I felt, I think, which is a big credit to Joe and his ability to ease people in. I actually tracked my heart rate. I haven't got it up. I should have done it before now. I tracked my heart rate on my whoop throughout to see if I had any peaks to see how high it went, but I just felt super, super comfortable, eased into it, started off straight away. That was the biggest surprise. If I shit myself on this, on round two, if I go back on and just can't get my words out, then I'll know that I used

up all of the calm charm that I had on the first one. But that was the most unexpected thing for sure. Daniel. Daniel here. Hi, Daniel. I love your podcasts. I always listen to them while I go back to the gym. You've set the bar for me of what a genuine conversation looks like and listening to these

conversations makes me want to talk to people in that sort of manner. What do you recommend people to do if they're working on themselves, but they have a hard time making friends? Kind of similar, I guess, or a second part to the question that was just above, you need to think about what the sort of people that you would want to be friends with are like and where those sorts of people would hang out and go there. If you want to be friends with people that are always talking about CrossFit, you need to be in a CrossFit gym. If you want to talk to people that love comedy, you need to go to a comedy class.

If you want to yoga, improv, martial arts, whatever it is that you want to do, there is a way that you can find people that select for that, whether it be dog grooming, at some dog show somewhere, or cars, it's some sort of car car like a, what do you call it, a drive by, not a drive by what's it called, like a car rally type thing. Just there are people out there that have those interests, Reddit forums are fantastic, you know, joining the Patreon or a local's community of whatever your favorite creator is, you need to try and select for the people that are like the people that you are like. They're out there, but for the most part what you're the people that you are like, they're out there. But for the most part, what you're trying to do is probably

retrofit the people that are around you to be like the stuff that you consume on the internet or the people that you want to be like. And they're not. Like, you've gone out of your way to find an unbelievably unique creator or whatever that has some niche that you care about. Why would you think that that person's going to be around the corner or just completely, like, easily accessible? They're definitely not. So go out of your way, try and find somebody that you think or go to a place that you

know that those sorts of people are going to be in. That would be my advice. Pancake, you've spoken a lot about how you went through an introspective journey of self-discovery at the end of your 20s when introspecting, how can you be sure that you're getting a balanced and accurate view of yourself? It's difficult to tell whether you're being too harsh or not harsh enough on yourself. Very, very good challenge. So the line between giving up because you are close to burnout or injury and giving up because you are leaving some on the table and being a bitch is basically impossible. The only person that can know would be you if you were able to run that existence like five times over, right, and iterate some study. When introspecting, how can you be sure you're getting a balanced knacker review of

yourself? It's simply a case of putting some work in, going in then trying out whatever it is that you're doing, whether it be relating to other people, dealing with difficult situations, building better habits, did the work that you do end up actually making the real world you better? And if it didn't, then something is wrong. And you will be able to tell, you know if you've pushed too hard or not hard enough when the results do or don't come it's in the moment that you usually don't know. So I think keep on reflecting is a good way to look at this. Also consider what you're doing over very, very broad time horizons. The guy from early run that was saying he has so many different goals and he couldn't work out which one to focus on like over a broad enough time horizon You can pretty much do most of the stuff that you care about it within the space of five years that you can't do it so continue to reflect

Check in on how the work that you're doing is actually showing up in your day-to-day life like reality How does it make you feel and what are the sort of results that you're getting and Broadening your time horizons. J. Hulesman, do you find it more difficult to relate to the generation older than you or the one younger? I am a generation ahead of you and find your insights helpful when dealing with younger generations, one of the many reasons why you are my favourite podcaster. Well, thank you very much. many reasons why you are my favorite podcaster. Well, thank you very much. I do find it difficult actually to relate to Gen Z a little bit. There is, the audience that listens to this podcast, like brushes the top of Gen Z, but isn't super young. And I think that it kind of makes sense, a lot of the problems that we're talking about here to do with existential crisis,

It kind of makes sense. A lot of the problems that we're talking about here to do with existential crisis and like concerned about meaning and you know broad social structures and the human mind nature and all that stuff I Would not have been interested in when I was 21 years old and if that is you then bravo because you're ahead of where I was When I look on TikTok at like check-ins to see how the content's getting on, the like Canary and the Colmine difference between a short video that I'll post on my Instagram, one that goes on YouTube, bad form, bad form, not turning my notifications off. One that goes on Instagram,

one that goes on YouTube, and one that goes on TikTok, the response, the different response between each of those is so dramatic, it is insane. So people just simply will not see the same video. It'll be a completely different response, and it is so stark that it makes me feel, you know, TikTok is what I'm using as a proxy for Gen Z. I struggle to understand the motivations of those people more than any other. I struggle to understand the motivations of many comments on the internet and I think we don't know what it is that drives people to respond in the way that they do, but the people that respond on TikTok a lot of the time, I like people from a different planet as far as I can see.

So yes, older generations I find, I mean, you know, I've just sat down with Rogan for three and a half hours. And the guys like 20 years older than me. 20 years older than me. Absolutely sweet. Maybe he's an outlier, but like sitting down with my dad, fine. Watching stuff on TikTok and trying to decode what's going on with that culturally is nada, not for me. Fielding Z. Hey Chris, I have a question on my mind. Hey Chris, I have a question on my mind I've been struggling with. I've been going through a bit of a rough patch mentally with anxiety and depression. What I find myself struggling with the most is the desire to do something

I love and the desire to do something lucrative to ensure financial success. Any suggestions on how one can come to try and find the proper balance between bending to the world for profit and staying true to oneself. First off, dude, the anxiety and the depression stuff is something that a lot of people deal with. I did throw a big chunk of my 20s. You need to look at what you're doing physically first, and you need to make sure you're going to bed at the same time that you're getting enough sleep, you're getting up, you need to train, even if you've never trained before, like you have to find something that you will enjoy, a yoga class, a spinning class, some sort of

martial arts, a crossfit, or a functional fitness workout, or a training partner that can get you into the gym to do bodybuilding, make sure that you're eating right, make sure that you've got enough water in your consumption throughout the day. Like if you do those things and this still exists, then there is a discussion to be had around the existential difficulty of like, where am I going with my life. My point being that if you don't have that foundation, you are starting on a very, very rocky place. So make sure that you've got that, okay?

The balance between basically selling out and doing something that you care about. The goal is to find something that is at the intersection of what the world needs, what you're good at, and what you can be paid for, right? Like that's icky guy, or whatever it is, straight in the middle. It may be that the things that you're great at, the things that you're interested in, and the things that you can be paid for, like, sorry, the things that slightly need to the things that you're great at, and the things that you can be paid for, like, sorry, the things that slightly needs the things that you're great at, and the things that you can be paid for, that they don't intersect for you.

There may be three completely different circles, so perhaps you're going to have to make some concessions around that. I would say that once you have made a sufficient amount of cash, you can pretty much go and do whatever you want. And again, like one of the common themes we've had today is this broader time horizon. So if I don't know how old you are, but I'm going to guess that you're probably in your

20s or 30s, if you broaden that time horizon out and you decide to double down make a turn of a turn of money, and then you can ease off the gas once you've done that, or perhaps you can do something that makes you a turn of money and begin to build up a side hustle, which is what I did. That is a very good way to ensure that you keep yourself feeling existentially satisfied whilst keeping the lights on, right? Because being a starving artist is only really cool in movies. Being a starving artist in the real world is just kind of sad. And for the most part, if you get bankrupted or whatever, you're setting

yourself back. So you need to make sure that you keep the lights on first and foremost. So for me, the way that I did it was I front loaded all of my 20s with work and with accumulating capital so that it would give me more leeway to be able to do stuff that I wanted. this wasn't by design by the way like this just happens to be what happened i didn't create this beautiful perfect plan that being said the principle that i followed was if i accumulate capital and if i'm financially secure i will be able to do more things in future i didn't know what those things, I didn't know how it was going to work out or whatever, but I think that chasing financial success and wealth and wealth generating assets when you're young is a good way to go about things, but you need to make sure that the physiological stuff sorted, sleep, training, diet, social connection, water, all that stuff,

like that needs to be done. Vass, Vass 98. Congrats on the milestone, Chris. Thank you. Question, how to get into the dating scene without signing up for a dating app based on the videos I've seen of yours, I don't want to get into that mess. Okay. Yes. Very similar to the person that needs friends and doesn't know where to go. Like, what are you into? What is the type of person that you would like to date into? Where would that type of person hang out? That's, it is such a simple solution, such a simple equation, it's Mark Manson's models that I learned this from. If you're into fitness guys or girls go to places where they hang out, if you're

into people that do chess or world of warhammer or whatever it is, just go there, right? You have to remember that so few people are approaching, especially if you're a girl, I don't know if you are, but guys as well, so few people are actually making the first move at the moment. There is a massive competitive advantage available just for someone that's prepared to say, Hey, what are you into? That is, you've already selected yourself out from probably 70% of men and probably 90% of women.

If you just do that, go a place where there are people like the person that you would like to date and be the person that you would like to date and be the person that makes the move. Like, there you go. Greg Dandy, how did you get into club promoting, asking as someone who's interested myself as I go to uni next year. I'm not a party animal, but I think it would be interesting to try, especially as I'm expecting to be in great shape. By then, love the show, mate. Keep it up. Thank you, Greg. And good luck at uni and getting in. Yeah dude, I anybody that goes to university that is okay with partying and wants to have a robust social ecosystem around them, get into club promotion because you will immediately have

because you will immediately have between 100 and 400 brothers and sisters that all kind of know you, you're part of a shared vision, you'll understand about business, you'll understand about dealing with inner turmoil and politics and all sorts of stuff. It will expedite the learning of a ton of stuff that you need for your adult life whilst you're at uni in any case, it'll help you earn money. It's fantastic. Greg, wherever you're going, if it's anywhere in Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, Birmingham, that's it. If it's any of those, then there's a job with the voodoo waiting for you. If it's anywhere else, it will not be difficult, just when you get to the freshest fair, have a look around and spot the different promo companies. They'll want you to sign up to work for them before you go

to the events. Go to the events first to make sure that they're not selling you on a company that's three months old and that doesn't have a portfolio of nights that's successful. You want to work for one of the biggest companies in town because you'll get the best benefits, you'll be one of the coolest people. Your job will be easy because people will come to you because they'll need your guest list. So just do that. If you're in the cities of North that Voodoo's in, speak to the guys, say that I passed you on and you'll get sorted out.

And if not, and you're going somewhere else, just have a look at the freshest fare, see who it is that's around. Or when you start going to nights, the night that you enjoy the most, just go and say, hey, who's the promo company that runs this? Ask for one of the guys. The reps will snap you up. They need to get guys like you. So yeah, you want struggle. Smelly cat. Yes, well done, my dude. Question for you. As you were building your podcast early on, how did you find the energy to do more work for no money when hardly anyone was watching after you just worked your regular slash survival job or did you have money saved from the show slash your promotion business to where you could just do your thing

no side job. Congrats on the 450K subs man, I would love to see you skyrocket to a million in a few months. Thank you. So would I? Yeah, this is kind of back to what we were talking about earlier on that If you are looking to do something where the payoff isn't immediate and you're relying on the dopamine hit because you don't necessarily love the process of doing the thing It's you are going to have a uphill battle, right? Or an upstream swim. And for me, it wasn't, it never felt like I was swimming upstream.

I enjoyed having conversations. I got to speak to James Clear was like episode 30, Robert Green, I think, was episode in the 30s as well. So I was speaking to people, Dave Kastra, director of the CrossFit Games, episode three or four, Dan Bailey, episode five. So I was picking up people that I'd wanted to speak to for a long time, and I enjoyed it. This again, I could such trite wisdom to say, you know, just find something that you love and you'll never work your day in your life. That's fucking bullshit. At an all hands meeting, no, at an internal Apple meeting, someone asked Tim Cook about

whether or not the things that you love should actually be difficult. And Tim said, at Apple, I've learned that the things that you love in life, you will not find easy, but you will work harder at them than ever before. The difference is that the tools will feel light in your hands. And that's the kind of obsession that I think is causing people to have fantastic outcomes because not only do they get the dopamine kicks of external rewards and accolades and growth and you know money or whatever, but it's coming from a place of something that they genuinely would do in any case. Like if you can find a thing that you

would do for free and to everybody else looks like an absolute grind. That is the point of highest leverage because they're in order for them to outwork you. It is basically going to be impossible. You're going to continue to have fun while that person has fallen asleep and bang their head against a door because they're sick of doing a work. Like, that is your point of highest contribution. Rere lo, cop. How was meeting and interviewing Jocka Willink inspired you in your life? You were sat opposite the modern day version of Marcus Aurelius and Sunsu.

I would love to know how that has impacted you. Your channel is the friend I never knew I would have in this life. Love your work. You're doing great. What a beautiful message. Thank you. The biggest difference, I think, and I just, I hadn't got this before I asked him the question of do people over complicate motivation was the difference between discipline and motivation.

I'm aware that this is his thing, but it just hadn't landed until I had a big navy seal saying it five feet away from me that discipline eats motivation for breakfast. And a lot of the time now when I wake up on a morning, if I'm getting up as still my Achilles heel getting up on time. And when I don't want to wake up or I can convince myself that I'm tired or whatever, it pops into the back of my head that discipline is doing the thing that you said that you would do long after the state that you said it in has passed. Discipline eats motivation for breakfast.

Are you disciplined or are you just motivated? Because if you're only motivated, you're only going to do this thing when you feel like doing it. I'm disciplined, I'm getting up, and I'm going to go and do this thing. That's the biggest difference. And you know, sitting and hearing that from like the discipline guy, just drove it home. So yeah, my discipline has been the biggest change.

I'm significantly more disciplined with stuff now. Don't get me right, I could still observe my inefficiencies from a front row seat every day, but for the most part, it's better. Toe toe customs. Question. I'm 20 and life is pretty great. I'm terrified of me looking back at life in 50 to 60 years and finding that my life was shit for a lack of a better word. I have this constant feeling of not having lived yet

and I'm scared I never will. I just developed this sort of formal six months ago. Guess a bit like court life crisis. I just developed this sort of form of six months ago, guess a bit like a quarter life crisis. I used to be super confident, basically unstoppable. And now I am questioning every decision, every action, and constantly wondering what I'm doing with my life. But since my life is pretty nice as it is, if my subconscious, I don't know what it is,

is telling me I'm not in this rut and I just can't get out of it. Any insight would be greatly appreciated a million very soon. Okay, this is a big one. So, yes, okay, so because your life is pretty nice, you are not feeling like there is anything wrong perhaps and because there's nothing wrong, it's difficult to bounce yourself out at the bottom of it. The overthinking is something that's going to cause you rumination, shame, probably a little bit of guilt.

Like there is ostensibly nothing wrong with my life, therefore what the fuck am I complaining about? Why should I have a problem with when there is nothing actually going wrong? Dude, this is, unfortunately, I think the, it is a byproduct of being someone that wants a lot in life, right? That you are striving for more. You're someone that can see the potential brilliance that you've got in life. And true hell is when the person that you are meets the person that you could have been. That is not something that you want to have happened.

That being said, bro, you're 20. You need to give yourself a little bit of a breather. If you're thinking about these sorts of questions at 20, you are light years ahead of where I was. It took me until 27, 28 to even begin to glimpse the corner of these sorts of questions. I'd my head at my ass for almost all of my 20s. So try and relieve a little bit of pressure off yourself, right? There are so many things that you can experience and enjoy in life. And if you are vacillating and turning yourself inside out with this

ambient sense that there is something wrong all the time, all of the shit that you're supposed to enjoy when you're young is going to be tarnished because you're never going to actually feel present while it's happening. And that is not something that you should be, you should be enduring, right? You're young, there are things that you can do when you're young, that you can't do when you're older. You can spend from 50 until 70, considering the higher meaning that you can add to the world. And yes, do you need to set yourself on a trajectory early on for sure? Do you need to obsess over it when you're 20? Probably not. So I would say try and find things that get you out of your head. So embodiment practices, whether that be doing some sort of training, spending time with friends, float

tanks, meditation, martial arts, all that stuff, like something that makes you feel in your body alive, because that will help you to get used to switching off. Know that if you're asking these sorts of questions that the outcomes you get in life are going to be fantastic in any case because almost no one is asking these sorts of questions, right? You do not need to get answers right now. The goal is to have arrived at an answer in 30 years, not to have got the answer right this moment. Go for whatever you think is the closest approximation to a good direction. And over time, just continue to adapt and move the trajectory. That's all you need to do.

And you're going to be fine. I can tell. Chris Strandberg, fuck, we've been going for an hour and 20 minutes. All right, I'll do a few more. Chris Strandberg, now that you've been on Rogan, do you feel a deep sense of satisfaction and accomplishment, or has your mind already started to stress you about achieving the next thing? Yeah, I would like to say that I sat back and relaxed and, you know, patted myself on

the back a lot, but the drive is difficult to turn off. You know, I was very, very happy. I have been, I've taken time to be grateful and gratitude has just been like flowing through my veins. But I'm constantly thinking about what the next thing is. This is quote from Sam Harris, when he's talking about death in the present moment and he says that even when we think we're being present, in very subtle ways, we're always looking over the

present shoulder, we're always peering past it to see what comes next. And that's something that I try to deprogram as much as possible. I would certainly say I've been a lot more present for the success and the feeling of gratitude and fulfillment that I got from Rogan happening and going well. But very quickly, I'm focused on what's happening next, what's the next episode, who do I need to research for? Like, I did Rogan on the Monday and then did four episodes back to back, choose day through Friday, that same week. So, I don't know, I probably do need to dial the water level of work back, but then if you do that, you're no longer able to put your foot on the gas when you need to. So it's a difficult one, man.

And this is why I love having these conversations and hearing the questions from you guys, because I'm still going through this stuff. I'm working through this stuff in real time, trying to work out, okay, how tolerant should I be of rest days without eroding my ability to continue to obsess and be fantastic with stuff? How much does the obsession actually curb my enjoyment of life because I can't relax? And I can relax, but how much relaxation is to blah, blah, blah. All of these are questions that everyone's working through through and the fact that I get to talk to you guys about it and you know what I'm talking about and you understand the challenge and kind of everyone's on the journey together is just fucking so cool. Sam G, how do you become more articulate when speaking and how do you ask better questions when

having a debate such conversation, how to stay calm during confrontation? You're one of my favorite podcasters. Thank you, Sam. I'll take you look when speaking, be precise, trying to think about what it is that you're trying to say. The biggest thing is practice. Continue to get thoughts from brain to mouth as frictionlessly as possible. What is the most precise way to speak?

It's not the fewest words. It's not the most words. It's not the most fancy words that you can, it's not breath, it's just what did you mean to say and continue to refine that. This is why sit down with a friend once a week, for half an hour, record the conversation, phones are off and it can be about anything, but try and be as precise as possible, work on being precise as possible. How do you ask better questions when having a debate such conversation? That is a lot more easy than you might think. So when there is a hole in what someone puts across,

you will feel it. It's almost like putting a hand across the surface of a texture and there's like a little hole and you go, it feels like a break in the rhythm because you go, hang in a second, that's an unsubstantiated claim or that is a word that I haven't heard the definition of before or whatever. So just allow your curiosity

to lead you forward. Go, hang on, hang on. What do you mean by that? Or how's that the case? Or I'm not really too sure. Can you elaborate? Leaning into that sort of stuff, I think, helps you to ask better questions because your subconscious felt sense when it pops up, that's the point at which most other people that are listening as well are going to. And if you're in a debate, the audience will be on your side because if you felt it, it's probably that they felt it as well. How to stay calm during confrontation, that's a difficult one. Don't take it too seriously, right? It's just a game. Everyone's going to die. In any case, all of us, all of us are going to die. And in three months time, no one's going to remember the

conversation you had in any case. So just enjoy it. Like there's no pressure. John Shaw, I'm 22 years old. I have a great paying job. I love, and in my free time, I work on my own career, I'm mostly fascinated by things like philosophy, art, history, and politics. I think my interests have made it very hard for me to date. I consider myself a good-looking and confident guy and I can get a girl when I want to, but when it comes to actually dating, all the women seem to not have any common interests

or desire to learn anything about my interests, this makes it hard for me to date, especially because I live an hour away from Green Bay, the closest city, my area is very rural. What can I do to improve my dating life? You have a challenge at the moment, John, because at 22 years old, most people are not fascinated by things like philosophy, history, art, and politics. So I would

say just sit tight. I know that it sucks, and it's like the classic, like, older guy, just, you know, your young bro advice. However, I genuinely do think that you will be the perfect partner for someone when the girls grow up. Now, you could always date older if you wanted. You could look at girls that are, you know, in their late 20s. Most guys on average aren't going to want to date older. Most people that are around your age are pretty kind of shallow. A lot of people, I mean, I worked with these guys and girls, the ones that we selected were the ones that weren't, the ones that had a little bit of curiosity and intellectual gusto, and it was really

fucking hard to find them. So the fact that you have these interests is amazing. Just when it comes to dating, perhaps don't set your intellectual litmus too high. I don't have too high a set of standards in terms of what you're expecting for conversation. If you do manage to find some super freak girl at 22 that loves philosophy and history and politics, fantastic. And if not, they'll come. People develop more mature interests over time. Your problem is basically you're like the kid that hit puberty at nine years old,

but you did it intellectually instead. So yeah, I think you're just gonna have to hold on time, man. What else have we got? Okay, one, a couple more. Kevin, just a guy called Kevin. Top five interviewer, slash podcaster and existence today. Thank you. Keep up the good work. Oh, that wasn't a question. Danny Cox, are you giving yourself the massive pat on the back you deserve every day? I'm trying. I'm getting better, man. And it is helped by meaningful messages. So for everyone that sent cool messages and said wonderful things over the last few weeks.

And forever as well. I very much appreciate you. Miguel Oxamendi. What motivates you more thrill of victory or the agony of defeat? That's a good question. Used to be the agony of defeat. I used to come from a position of not wanting to lose rather than wanting to win. And now the more that I keep on winning, the more that winning motivates me because the fear of failure is further away. Now it would be interesting to see what would happen if there is some huge failure because that's going to be a big challenge, right? The fall from grace, like this is what people wait to see. But I think

when I started out, the agony of defeat and not wanting to lose was a big part, whereas now the thriller victory and the feeling of a job well done is what I'm chasing after. There are a lot of questions left. I'm sorry that I didn't get round to them, but there will be another Q&A very soon. I appreciate you all. Thank you. I love you to bits. Thank you to everyone that reached out and shared the Rogan episode, links for the stuff that I spoke about in terms of supplemental, be below, chriswolex.com, slash books for the reading list. That's it. See you at half a million.