Modern Wisdom - #564 - Andrew Schulz - Surviving The Cancellation Apocalypse

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

Andrew Schulz is an actor, comedian and a podcaster. The world seems to be losing its mind. No one is sure what the rules for acceptable conduct are any more. From virtue signalling to moral grandstanding, the incentives to take down others are stronger than ever. So why are some people immune to these laws of cancellation and is it a solution that the rest of us can steal for ourselves? Expect to learn whether Elon Musk is a hero or a villain, whether True Geordie's cancellation was appropriate, why Schulz thinks that a marriage with a prenup is not a real marriage, how come people don't sleep with their sisters, why the word "uncircumcised" is totally pointless, why the body positivity movement might just be girls reducing their competition from the dating market, what Schulz learned from Mr Beast and much more... Sponsors: Get the Whoop 4.0 for free and get your first month for free at http://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D and Free Shipping from Athletic Greens at https://athleticgreens.com/wisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Subscribe to Andrew's Podcast - https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialFlagrant Check out Andrew's website - https://theandrewschulz.com/  Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the show. My guest today is Andrew Schultz. He's an actor, comedian, and a podcaster. The world seems to be losing its mind. No one is sure what the rules for acceptable conduct are anymore, from virtue signaling to moral grandstanding, the incentives to take down others are stronger than ever. So why are some people immune to these laws of cancellation, and is it a solution that the rest of us can steal for ourselves? Expect to learn whether Elon Musk is a hero or a villain, whether true Jordie's cancellation was appropriate, why Schultz thinks that a marriage with a prenup is not a real marriage,

how come people don't sleep with their sisters? Why the word uncircumcised is totally pointless, why the body positivity movement might just be girls reducing their competition from the dating market. What shorts learned from Mr. Beast? And much more. This was very fun. The 36 hours that I got to spend in New York

with video guide Dean flying over from the UK was pretty hilarious. And liver king was in shortsist studio 30 minutes before I got there. So I had to for breeze the couch before I was prepared to sit down. But I very much appreciate Andrew. I like the fact that he's able to move from interesting intellectual insight across into ridiculous silliness pretty seamlessly. And yeah, I very much hope that you enjoy today. Also don't forget that you might be listening, but not subscribed, and that means that you're

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But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Andrew Schultz. I'm gonna show you. What's up, man? I just missed you in the UK when you were over there. What do you make of it? I liked it. I actually had a good time over there. It was cool. We got to do some cool interviews and and actually got to hang out in London. I haven't really hung out in London before.

I didn't do the whole pub thing. I like the pub thing. Do you not think you have any clothing over here? It's different. It's different. Pub for pubs sake is not. We need another excuse. I think that's why we have sports almost every night of the week.

So it's like we can go to the bar to watch a sport. Not just for a hang. Yeah, like just going to drink feels wrong here. You know what I mean? I'm going to the bar to drink, like just that. Yeah. To meet anybody, maybe. England.

But mostly drink. Yeah. Doesn't that feel? I don't know, man. It's part and parcel of the British culture, right? This is one of the problems they have with shutting down of pubs that they're saying it's disconnecting people from each other. Yeah.

And people are becoming more isolated. Yeah. So you spent a bit of time with True Jodie, Brian. Love Brian. Free Brian. Well, dude, I want to talk about that because I think he's converting to Islam. Did you know that? Did you get it?

This is breaking news. Brian is actually converting Davidson is now Jewish yep and Brian true Jodie's converted to Brian is converting to Islam. Yeah, he had to give up the foreskin. Did you know that no, he's getting price to pay. I imagine he's got a massive. I don't know how heavy, buddy. You know, I'm in the bright.

Do you think Brian's got a big big foreskin? Yeah, there's no all four. Yeah, it's just 90% foreskin. It's like a soft like a sock with a big big full skin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no all four skin. Yeah, it's just 90% full skin. It's like a soft, it's like a sock with a tennis ball in it. Shout out to Brian, man. Yeah, so I thought it was very interesting because you guys do these sort of intros to the beginning of your pods where it's like a a ran like a bit for maybe a minute or two minutes.

And you guys have said some during those that I can't believe gets put on the internet. What was interesting about watching Brian is he said something that could have been a bit taken straight out of one of your intros, right? And he got smashed for it. Jim Shark dropped him, Poke Stars dropped him, got banned for a while on Twitch. Is there like a special button that people need to be able to press that lights up and says, I'm doing a comedy bit because he's not a comedian, but he dips in and out of comedy.

Yeah. And because of that, it's like he gets judged by the same criteria that a normal creator does, but tries to do the stuff that comedians do. Do you know what I mean? It's like people that cross both thresholds, they're kind of, they're in a bit of a tough bind, because they're going to be looked at,

and it's like, well, that wasn't a joke. That was actually is true fucking whatever coming out. Yeah, it almost benefits every podcaster to do standup once so that you can say you're a comedian. So you've got the comedian cards? Yeah, just do it one time and then say you're a comedian and then just say more or less whatever you want. Because like comics were like,

how do I say it Because comics were like, how do I say it? It's like, if you see somebody dressed in like a provocative manner, right? And they're your school teacher, you're like, what the fuck? But if you saw like a stripper dressed in that way, you'd be like, oh, she's really conservative when she's not stripping, right?

So I think that's what it's like being a comedian where it's like, you expect me to say even crazier shit. So if I made the joke that he made, nobody will give a fuck. But I think with Brian, I think you expect him to be very serious. Like he's serious about a lot of shit, even though he's fucking hilarious. Like he was hilarious on our part.

I don't know if you saw it, all right. Yeah, dude. But that motherfucker's funny. So yeah, it's a shame, man. It's a shame. Yeah, I'm wonder how do you create that kind of protection? I always, you know, my thing is I'm gonna ride for the jokes. My loyalty is to the jokes.

I know he was making a joke. There was clear misdirect. He was playing off of stereotypes that we all know exists. And yeah, I thought it was funny. I don't know if he has like a hatred in his heart for Muslims. I think he has a hatred his heart for Andrew Tate. Do you know what I'm saying? But like if Andrew Tate converts a Judaism,

then he would have a joke news about Jews, right? Yeah, exactly. Like he'd open it with like my dark twisted fantasy or whatever, like he would have something bustin' balls. So it's not about the religion. It's just about punishing this guy that he doesn't like. Yeah, yeah, that's what I would say. So yeah, I defend him, but I also understand these brands,

they're looking out for themselves, right? They don't really care about him, they care about his audience, and then once he becomes too radioactive for them to make money, why they're gonna keep giving him money. Now, he's gotta remember that next time he does business with a brand, because if they come back later and he continues to have the biggest show and blows the fuck up, and let's say he becomes, you know, the rogue, I guess maybe he's already the rogan of

the UK, but let's say he is the biggest fucking platform, then Jim Shark could come back and be like, hey, we'd really like sponsorship and you go fuck yourself. You left me when I was in a dark time. So now I'm not going to continue to promote your brand. So that's what I would do with him. I would just keep on getting bigger and then remind everyone of those companies, ain't shit. Well, that was the interesting insight I learned from you that a lot of people believe there is this grand conspiracy.

Everybody is unified together in this way to try and take people down. What you said, it's individuals, it's individual actions. This guy's got a new house that he basically can't afford the mortgage on and a kid that's going to a new private school and blah, blah, blah, blah, and the wife expects a new car every so often. And he goes, I'm going to lose my fucking job. The incentives are aligned for individuals to act in a way which makes it look like a coordinated

conspiracy from the outside. But that's not to say that they're aren't fucking like overlords out there that are trying to coordinate certain things. I'm sure there are. But I do think that the simplest solution is individual people terrified about losing their job, looking after themselves. 100%.

Even those situations where we think they're overlords, a lot of times is the people under them doing what they think the overlords would like. Like I remember I used to go, there was like a few like Fox News shows that were like funny. Like they were actually funny shows, right? And they would have comedians on, you can kind of say whatever. And I remember going there, and I remember like times like, like my material would like

skew a little bit more conservative. I remember reflecting on going like, wait a minute, am I just trying to say the thing that would win in this environment? And I had to check myself. And in that moment, I was like, oh, wow, if I was an employee of this company, of course, I'm gonna do the things that I think my boss likes.

I'm gonna behave in a way that... You're being influenced just skewed a tiny little bit. We're humans. We like to be rewarded, bro. Is this such a thing as a joke that goes too far? Yeah, to everybody. Everybody's got a limit.

But is this such a thing like objectively as a joke that's too much? Could you write a joke that would be so much that it shouldn't be allowed on the internet or it shouldn't be allowed to be published? Is it funny? Yes. No, then there's not. If it's funny, if everybody's laughing, then no. Like, you're laughing. Like, I mean, that's the thing I learned in my career is basically like, in order for me to get away with the most fucked up jokes that I want to make, I mean, that's the thing I learned in my career is basically like, in order for me to get away with the most fucked up jokes that I wanna make, I gotta do it right to the people I'm talking about. So if I'm doing a joke, I don't wanna do any black jokes

with no black people in the room. I want there to be black people in the room and I wanna be doing the joke to them. Cause if they're laughing, you can't be offended on their behalf. And it's usually white people offended on behalf of not white people, right? But if you see the black people laughing, now you got to shut up with your offense, right?

So I kind of realized that and I'm very fortunate I got this, you know, very diverse audience. So I can talk about all these different things to those people. And it's not just a bunch of white people in the room making fun of minorities. Which feels weird even if the jokes are funny. Yes. Like there could be a hilarious joke about Asians, but if there's no Asians there, it's like, hey, what's going on, bro?

That'd feel weird. Talking about your friend behind his back while he's not that. I don't even like talking about black shit on the podcast without Alex. So Alex, one of my co-hosts on Flagrant, like when he's there, it's way more comfortable talking about black shit, right? Because there's a black dude that could talk about it.

He's the window into the black world. Yeah, yeah. He could be like, okay, this is not I can see why people upset or if he's laughing, you know, that it's silly, it's still kind of fun. Yeah. It just makes it better. Yeah, I know what you mean.

I know what you mean. Or even gay stuff, like without Mark, I don't want to talk about gay shit. Do you know what I mean? Like, he doesn't know he's gay, but he is. You know? So that's why Mark is there. So we have some gay representation, you know what I mean?

Just sitting in the middle of two guys, the way he likes it. Is it the, you know what I mean? Listen, you don't get monkey pox one at a time guys. You know, that's a group activity. Shout out to the gays. Right. With, was it?

Was that a thing in England monkeypox? I Didn't come over here No, no, no, probably didn't know no England. No, that just wait. Oh, you guys in England are soft Stepping up Stepping up New York Gays and the hardest gays in the planet like we have New York Gays They're okay They're gay. They're gay. They're gay the way I would be gay. How?

Dick all the time, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, like, like, everybody was shocked that this monkey box thing was like a problem. I don't know if you heard about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, cause what's the guy's name? Fauci?

Fauci basically came up and he was like, you know, the way it's getting transferred or whatever. What did he say exactly? It's like, fuck, I don't know how he said he was getting transferred through but sex. Yeah, but a specific type. It was gay orgies. Ah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, stop your orgies or do more and get immunity. I don't care what I'm trying to say is like the places in the world that have gay populations that weren't getting monkey sex. I don't think that you're taking advantage of being gay.

That's the only thing that's happened. You just haven't one on one sex be straight. The canary in your coal mine is have you got monkey pox on that. Canary to coal mine sounds like some gay shit, bro. That's what I just said. As I mean, as a good pun. When it comes to, when it comes to the brain thing, to just like, think about that,

yeah, yeah. Do you have stricter rules as your platform grows, or is it just the fact that you're under more scrutiny? I think you just gotta be funnier. The rule would be be funnier. And when you're taking those shots, make sure that they... But what about outside of that? What about if it's just someone generally,

not necessarily a comedian, not trying to make a funny joke online. As your platform grows and there's more people, watch your stuff. Do you need to be more careful about the things that you're saying, especially in a way? Depending on which, for example, I don't tweet anymore. Like I get all these, like my drafts are crazy.

Like one day I'm gonna release the release, oh man, one day, I don't even delete it. I don't even let it out there. I just type it in so I know the thought is there and then that shit goes right to the drafts. If somebody hacks my Twitter, it's all over. One day someone at Twitter is gonna press the wrong button and unleash all of your drafts.

I gotta be on Elon's good side. I gotta stop talking shit about Elon bro because he could release all my drafts. What do you think, Elon, hero or villain? The internet's pretty split halfway at the moment. It's just the idea that like he could release on my draft. What do you think, Elon, hero or villain? That's pretty split halfway at the moment. Just the idea that he could figure out spaceships and not Twitter. Twitter isn't a hard thing.

Have you ever met someone in tech? They're not the best socializing human beings. Do you know what I mean? The fact that they could figure out socializing. Have you seen them talk to each other? Zuckerberg has to be reminded to blink right like his eyes dry out He's I like MMA. I like surfing blink. Okay. There you go, right? It's like so So it's like there's there's these aren't the people that are good at socializing and they figured out apps around socializing

Elon can figure out how to just write something and post it. It's not that difficult So if I have no question, he's gonna figure out, it's gonna be better. They'll have a billion users, they'll find out a way to monetize it, it'll be easy. But is he doing it for the right reasons in your opinion? Yeah, because that's the question, right? I don't know, but in my opinion, yeah.

I think I would agree. Like it seems. What's the right reasons? I might have a different right reason than you. For me, it would be to open. Is he cares about free speech? It would be to open up communication online. Yes. That's my opinion.

I think that's part of it, but I think that there's other parts. What are the parts? I think if you're a billionaire, you need in some sort of like news apparatus to protect yourself. Like there's a reason why Microsoft Bill Gates got MSNBC. The MS is Microsoft NBC, right? Amazon got the Washington Post. It's like, once you get enough money

where people should kill you, because you have that much money, you need a newspaper or something to be like, yo, don't kill that guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what all the articles are. It's like, you know, if Amazon gives $100 million to this,

and it's just like, yo, don't kill me. Is there not a difference between something that's editorial and something that's just a platform though? Like, Bezos can influence what goes out on the Washington Post a lot more easily than Elon can tell people what to tweet. Yeah, but Elon can also tweet whatever the fuck he wants and he can also- Never get removed.

Not only can it never get removed, but he can also remove shit that's set about him that's fake. Right, he could be like, that's fake news. He can't do that from the Washington Post. But they did that fact check thing, didn't they, about I'm not saying I should do this, but he can, there's power. Yes.

And all news is on Twitter right now. That's what Twitter is. It's really a news feed, right? So the Washington Post, nobody goes to the Washington Post to read an article. They see the article pop up on Twitter, and then they go to it. So if they're posting fake news about Elon,

he could be like, yeah, that's fake news. Adios, see you later. They did that thing about, was it pensioners' benefit checks, and it got fact checked by saying that the reason that pensioners in the US are now getting so much more money is because of inflation, and everything is adjusted for inflation. So the increase was massive,

but the increase was based on the fact that inflation is massive. Polaris. And it was a, whatever it's called, a little window below. To the fact, I checked it. Yeah, and put it on the tweet. And it was like, this is why this, and it was within like two days of Elon Biden, it was fucking hilarious.

I love that. Did you see the new shit that just came out today, that the FBI, that X counsel to the FBI, who was working for Twitter got hold of the Twitter files before they went to Matt Tebe and the other lady that was part of the Twitter release. And he, it seems allegedly, has scrubbed the links between the FBI and the Hunt and Biden laptop thing.

And he's now been fired by Elon. You never stopped working for the FBI. You think? Once you're in you're in. Yeah. I mean, you're more effective being a retired FBI guy. I don't trust retired CIA. I don't trust retired FBI. You think they're going to let you retire with all that information? You know what I mean? It's like, no, that's a lifetime job, man. If they give you information that could shut the whole thing down, you're in for life, and you better know you're in for life.

It's not like you do your 20 years and you write your tell all book. We don't got that many tell all books, right? We got the confessions of an economic hitman. He just said the shit that we all know. He didn't really say anything, and also he's a scumbag for that. Don't like do it, profit off of doing it,

and then write a book about how bad it is, and then profit off of that. That's the living King arc. That's what's coming next to the living King arc. Which is what? That you go through the villain, and then I am now the hero that is coming clean for what it is. About being honest, the people I am. Yeah. And then one of my friends is adamant that his end goal is to become a WWE star. I think Alex Astam, and he was like, we are like, do you do wrestling? He's like, I'm 45 and then he goes, no, no, like WWE. So he actually thought that he might like, like be a wrestler. Yes.

Like do some mmation. Yeah. He was like, no, but I don't know if he's going to do the WWE, maybe, but yeah, go do it. And if that was the whole goal, then that would be very deceptive. Yes. I don't think that is. I think that he genuinely found something that was very helpful to him and his family, and he shared it and monetized it. And anytime you monetize anything, I'm going to be skeptical.

Anytime there's money associated, I told him, if you were an accountant and you did this shit, nobody would question it. No one would care. Because you're not making any money off it. The second you make money off something, there's always a little bit of a... The incentives aren't gonna be quite as pure. Right?

Yeah, man, I mean, this is why Heuberman is such a fucking interesting example. He's like, what do you suggest that I take for my Fidoji regressor, so whatever fucking supplement it is? And he just goes, well, I'm not involved with any of these companies, but this is what I think. And it gives you so much faith that what he's saying is genuinely what he believes because

he has no incentive to say otherwise. Like all that guy sells, I think is maybe like ad free access and t-shirts. I think he's going to do some supplements or he already has some supplements. Eventually, he should do. We should look that up. He might even have some now. Well, but he should because we trust him, right? Correct. Yeah, but that's what we trust him, right? Correct.

Yeah, but that's what latent leverage is, right? That's what, so imagine that you continue to give and give and give and give to. Oh, and then it's time to, yeah. To your audience, and then when they do, they don't feel aggrieved about buying shit from you. 100%. I think that probably worked for me with the special,

like I'd give away so many fucking hours of standup comedy that when I was finally like, yo, I really believe in this thing. This thing costs me a lot of money. Can you guys support me? I think there was a lot of people just DM me. They're like, yeah, we'd be more than happy to. Thank you.

And that was really cool. Because when you start giving away shit for free, so much you expected to be free in your head. Even though it's not free for you to work out. I put 15 years into this. So I was like, but yeah, that was a cool response. A latent leverage. Latin leverage.

Yeah, you just accumulate, well, I mean, it's Gary Vee's, like job, job, job, right hook, philosophy, if you're listening. It's also like dating, it's like dinner, dinner, dinner. There it is. Speaking of dating. Monkey pox. You know, it depends, yeah, that's equal opportunities.

The manusphere, give me your thoughts on the manusphere. Yeah, what about the manusphere is minus fear. Give me your thoughts on the minus fear. Yeah, what about the man? Manus fear has always existed. It just got less funny. That's my issue with it. It's like be funny. Be funny about whatever it is. Like my favorite community,

greatest community of all time hands down is Patrice O'Neill. Like Patrice O'Neill is early minus fear. Like I don't know if you watch any of his stuff. Like I'm early minus fear. Like my stuff, I've got jokes that are like perfectly aligned with Manosphere shit, but they're jokes. It's funny. What was so great about tape was he was funny like Mark was telling us was one thing. I didn't even see this one. He's like I'll never let a girl drive my car He goes they're like why he goes if you ever throw something at your girl. She called it

at your girl and she caught it. But that's just a hilarious, that joke could go on stage. Like you could take, he's got lines you could take and go on stage and that's why I was so effective. It's like, it tapped into almost like Borsch belt comedy. Remember, have you heard of like the most old back in the day, like the take my wife, please, these one liners, right?

These one liners were all incredibly offensive, but they tap into feelings that we have. And our feelings are not the things we execute. You get cut off, you wanna be like, I wanna fucking kill that person, but you don't really kill them. It's a momentary feeling. So you have frustration with your wife

that take my wife, please, everybody in the audience, every husband who's dealt with their wife, bitch, and about something, you know, I relate to that moment, I relate to that feeling, because comedy's about feelings, not about truth. It's not about what should be true. It's about a feeling that is real that you've had. So I think what happens with these jokes

is they tap into moments of what it is like to be a guy in this day and age. And then not funny people got into it, and ruined it like everything, and then started taking every single line Seriously, and then when you start to take everything of line seriously, you just seem like your hate women your angry at women You're bitter. That's not I don't think anybody really at the end of the day wants to resonate with that The fundamental way that it's positioned is that men and women are enemies or adversaries

Yeah, they're trying to extract something from you. Yeah, It's kind of dangerous to think about like that. I don't know. It doesn't seem like a particularly healthy way to create a foundation to build stuff up from that. And the problem is that I also understand, right? Like I was a guy in my 20s who didn't understand the world and himself and fucking everything. So you go to the internet. It was just fortunate for me that I landed on like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris and whatever as opposed to some other channel because you're looking for answers and this person comes across, here's another dynamic that I always notice, certainty with the way that people speak. Maybe this is just like inbuilt fucking unconfidence in knowing things. But for me, I've always got like caveats and a little bit of just,

I'm not so sure, but I feel like this is the right way. When people come out of somewhere and say, this is the way that things are, here's a meme or a cool word or like a brand that makes it seem like a fucking legitimate academic topic. This is a thing and this is the way that it is. It seduces people. It's one of the reasons that so many political commentators online, like Ben Shapiro is a perfect example of this. You know, whether you agree with the guy or not, he's fucking certain about all of it. And you go, well, wow, like that sounds compelling.

And if he gives you the weapons for your feelings, that's why I look at Venice, right? It's like you're conservative, you don't know why, and then he's gonna give you the best arguments as to why. Right? You think abortion should be banned, then it's gonna tell you why it should be banned, and he will do it amazingly succinct, perfect data.

He just gives you the weapons for when you get into an argument at a bar. That's very interesting. And I think there's a lot of people who tend to do that, but for me, they're not the most interesting. The funny people are interesting to me regardless of what they feel. And I separate that.

Like my loyalty is to funny. So like, a guy like Dr. Umar Johnson, which might have like many beliefs that I disagree with, is also the funniest communicator on the internet. So no matter what he says, I'm watching it. It is gonna be hilarious. Just thinking of things. I can't even say out loud because they're so crazy.

But when he does, they're fucking hilarious. So that's the power comedy. It's like you really want to communicate some shit. Whether you believe it or not, comedy is the vessel. And when these people don't have any comedy and they're being like really serious and trying to execute these points and we got to fucking save the world,

it's like, shit, that fuck off. So I'm not sure that you always need comedy. For instance, Hibiman is a good example. Doesn't use comedy in awful lot. Communicates points, they make a great impact. But I do think that you need to have a level of humility, collaboration as well as opposed this very adversarial sort of zero-some type scenario. Another one of the influences here as well, I went to Miami for the first time ever two and a half, three weeks ago.

And a lot of what I was seeing online in men's advice made a lot more sense after I'd been to Miami. Miami unlocked the back of my brain in terms of going, oh, this. Like what were you saying? So for instance, your wealth is your primary source of value to the world, who you are, the person that you're with,

the table that you're on, the size of the bottle, the girls that are on your arm. What it is that the girls, how they were dressed, that girls out in party dresses, maxi party dresses at 12 midday, going for coffee, in heels, like where the fuck are you going? What is this? And that to me made a lot of sense because it seems like a good chunk of Miami culture, very transactional, very transient, very resource-based, has informed a lot of men's advice on the internet. And because of that, the reverse engineering, Miami is how all women are. Right, right.

No, it's fucking not. I've met half a million women in my life stood on the front door of nightclubs. No, it's fucking not. Most women, on average, are caring and kind and want a fucking guy that they can get into a relationship with that cares about them. Yeah. Some of them fuck up and some of them are outright mean and nasty and all the rest of it. But so are guys.

Yeah. Like, I just, my personal experience, which is fucking vast, does not suggest that girls are like the ruthless gold diggers that everybody says. However, I agree. Think about about your guy in the internet. You're a guy in the internet who doesn't have much experience with women. So what you do is you start consuming content from people who seem like they do. And maybe they're consuming content that feeds your fears. Precisely. But what are the sort of stories that is sufficiently newsworthy to break through onto the internet? They're the most egregious transgressions of this particular. It's the

girl that got into a relationship with some Canadian guy and took all of his money and now he lives on the street and he can't ever see his kids and his dog hates him. While he was sleeping, went out and fucked a guy in a gas station, came back like, yeah, that's a real story of a real toll. Like, yeah, all of that. Those are the stories that break through. So if you don't have real world experience that can disprove that, quite rightly, you're vehemently going to think, these bitches are out here trying to fucking get us.

I need to be horribly uncertain whenever I'm around a woman. Like, I don't blame the guys for thinking it to be honest with you. I think that like there's a lot of frustration when you're not in control of your sexual destiny. And there's two ways to handle that frustration. There's one is go inward, the others go outward, right? I'm frustrated.

It's like, well, what can I do to alleviate that frustration? Can I get better at chat? Can I learn what these girls are interested in and how to make them feel comfortable, right? Or do I justify that frustration? I'm going outward, which is all women or gold diggers. They don't like me because I'm fucking short or they don't like me because I'm skinny

or they don't like me because I'm poor or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think a lot of times my issue with the manosphere is it presented as if the frustration is is is handled inward but make yourself a high value man, whatever that would you do not need to be to get laid. I mean, the guys that got laid the most when I was younger were not high value. They're just good at chat. Is that not value? It is value, but not in the goal digging sense.

Like if we're looking at all women as goal diggers and they're these guys that are broke, but they can talk them up. Now they must not be goal diggers, right? Now these girls on some level just want to be made to feel comfortable, want to be listened to, want to be entertained, want to laugh, right? But it's much easier, I think, to go,

all they care about is money when you're not that good at talking, when you're not that charming, when you're not that interesting, and when you're not that interested, like I think the best advice I ever got about women was just get them to the point where you can listen What I mean Once someone feels comfortable talking to you especially a woman like that's a level of Comfort and confidence that is gonna separate you from every other person of that bar like once they're sharing their feelings

They're talking about their opinions, etc. It's like that's you're you're in It's it. It's yours to lose at that point So it's like I think all the times guys go in it's like I have to demonstrate value I have to show you how cool I am. Oh look at my car. I'm gonna drop my keys on the table There's a fucking Lamborghini thing. I hope she sees that no Simple is that ah works sucked man. Yeah, what do you do? Oh, yeah, you do okay. Yeah, is that difficult? It is kind of difficult Yeah, it does kind of seem kind of annoying to do not does Yeah, is that difficult? Oh, it is kind of difficult. I Yeah, that's kind of seem kind of annoying to do not I said yeah, it is kind of it is kind of Just talking away to the races. Well, you're a guy who's completed that now, you know is a

Rehabilitated ex-party boy who's now well being marries the best why? Not horrible No, it's horrible, I'm gonna be honest with you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, felt safe and loved and vulnerable. Like my friends, I wanna hear that fucking shit, right? They wanna hear the annoying thing that my wife did to me that made me look like a fucking idiot then we all laugh at me. Or we laugh at my wife, whatever it is. That's just way more entertaining.

So there's things we share. But just to not be involved, I think, in the rat race is great. At my age, I'm 39, that's the other thing. I had a great time party. I'm glad I got rid of my system. I don't have the FOMO that a lot of guys do. A lot of guys get hitch young

and then they have to deal with their whole life. What would it be like to have three some or something like that? What would it be like to go to Miami and see if you get really in? You got to take the boxes off, man. Exactly. And I'm glad I did that. There's, at this point, there's nothing that I'm like, I wish that I did that before I got married.

So I just get to focus on developing this relationship. One of my boys was big into pick-up artistry about 10 years ago. And I remember him speaking to me and he was saying, it's like, dude, you're really fucking committed to this pickup shit. Like, you really, really are. Like, where's it coming from?

He says, yeah, my future wife better be thankful for this. I'm like, you're gonna have to explain why your future wife should be thankful that you're running through half of this city at the age of 23. Got it out the system. And he said, I don't want to walk down the street with my wife and my two kids and my dog looking at a Brazilian check and think, I wonder what it's like to fuck a Brazilian check. I want to have closed every different loop, every different desire, all the different quirks, even the monkey pox. I wonder if got it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was what he wanted.

And I do think that there's an element. Did he live up to it? I have no idea. Maybe monkey poxed or not. Jordan, if you're listening, tell me if you're monkey poxed. He fucking, he definitely put the time in. I'm not sure how his future wife will feel about it. But there is a part of that.

Close all of those. 100%. Yes, yes, yes. I think that that's, I think that's healthy. As long as you're not justifying it to yourself of that. Go to close all the loops. 100%. Yes. Yeah. I think that that's, I think that's healthy. As long as you're not justifying it to yourself like that, you know, I think my one issue with the pickup art is self because my dad literally sent me that book. I remember being college when I came out the game. He sent me the book. He goes, Hey, there was, this was written in the New York Times. And I don't know what that says about like how my dad thought

I was with women, but he was like, you should read this. You might need me. You might need me. So the only way I'm gonna get some grandchildren is if you read this fucking fucking Jesus. Here I am 17 years later, no. But yeah, he said, and I thought it was fascinating. I thought it was like really cool that guys even tried to like scientifically break down

what it was that created that kind of chemistry. My one issue with it always was like using the same lines, I thought was corny. And the fight outside between two midgets. So exactly, yeah, like or whatever the fucking, there was a bunch of them and I was just like, like how embarrassing would that be if you use a line that somebody else at the bar also used on the girl?

You're like, oh, just just awful, right? And then the other thing I didn't like, I didn't like dropping a girl's confidence So that she would like me because it is so Negging yeah, I like teasing I think teasing is good. I don't think it's good to do so you can drop their confidence So that you you will be above them like my feeling is like if you hang out with me long enough I think I'm the shit so if you hang out with me long enough, I think I'm the shit. So if you hang out with me long enough, it doesn't matter where you think I am initially, I'm coming up.

So I don't have to hurt your feelings in order to get- My confidence doesn't need to stand on the shoulders of yours. Yeah. Exactly, I want you at your most confident. I want you at your most, because if you're not eventually you're gonna be confident, two things, either I have to keep you with a lack of confidence in order for you to like me,

or that confidence is going to go back to where it normally should. It's going to reach home you'll stasis for you. And then you're going to be like, oh, I don't like this motherfucker. Well, the fuck am I with this guy for? Exactly. Well, that's fundamentally one of the problems with people who get into relationships where their mate value isn't matched. So I've spent all this you're learning about this evolutionary psychology stuff right? This term is what you're talking about. Yeah. So benefit affording. So I've spent all this year learning about this evolutionary psychology stuff right? So this term is what you're talking about. So benefit affording. So I studied it. You're saying it more. Benefit affording, you both help and you grow, cost-inflicting, you bring the other person down. So one of the ways that you can ensure

that your mate won't leave you is to make them feel worse about themselves. If you've got a disparity in the mate value, one person seems to be pulling away, then the other maybe they're getting more confident or better looking or they've got a disparity in the mate value, one person seems to be pulling away, then the other maybe they're getting more confident or better looking, or they've got more attention or social status or whatever it is, one starts to pull away, you can either raise yourself up to match to that benefit of forwarding, or you can drag them back down so that they're closer to you.

And a lot of the pick-up artist stuff was like that. And another thing, another problem was that people are the girls that you would using this on, weren't falling for you. They were falling for the persona. Yeah. And I think for the persona. Yeah. Yeah. And I think a lot of guys that did pick up, look at them now, Neil Strauss, took a max,

both good examples. Both of them in like these fucking like awakened, like psychedelic warriors tweeting about like enacting your fucking truest self-forward and shit. Neil pulled the confessions of a hit man. I think he put out a book about the importance of relationships. Yeah. I think so. Yeah a book about the importance of relationships. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Like that's kind of crazy. But it's because I think that you realize after a while of the sort of super transactional

stuff. Yeah, it's empty. Yeah, you come back on the other side and now Tucker's got this ranch in Austin and like four kids and 30 cheap and all this other shit. Like, that's his thing. Yeah. And maybe it took them that to get there. Like sometimes you need to go through that part of your life to realize you don't need it. It's vapid and empty. Yeah, you gotta close those leaps. And it's fun.

It is fun. Dating is fun. But the heartbreak isn't fun. The heartbreak isn't fun, of course. But like meeting a new person, like going through those butterflies, like is it gonna go down? Is it not?

Like these things are exciting, for sure. But I don't think they're close, not even close to as fruitful as like developing an actual relationship with somebody. And that is, when I say that like, I mean like a real relationship, like you are building something together. Not just someone watching Netflix with.

Exactly. Like, if you have a prenup, you don't have a relationship. You have a prenup, you don't have a relationship. You have a prenup? No. You have a girlfriend. If you have a prenup. You have a girlfriend. You're not building something.

You have an escape hatch. You have a girlfriend that you created a loop that you could get out of to call her your wife for her. But it's your girlfriend because you could break up whenever you want and everything's okay. A real relationship, the way that marriage was designed is we are in this shit and we got to fight through this and we got to work on this and develop this fucking love. And I think you do that without what is it called? The parachute. Now, I've been married a year. I could come back in five years, like I was a fucking idiot, Chris, what the hell was I talking about, you know?

Why would I do that? You know what I mean, I'm broke, who knows? But for me, I like that more, I think it's cooler. Yeah, I think that that's more exciting. Talking about heartbreak, not often that Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson agree. But both of them I've seen have got the same take where they think that heartbreak is worse

for guys than it is for girls. And Tate had this really fucking interesting video where he explained that because of the inbuilt possessiveness that men have, the thought of their ex partner now being with a new partner is so painful that to them, it's going to be more painful than it would be for a woman who might be emotionally distressed by it.

And the other part of it was that women, a heartbroken woman is someone that deserves sympathy and respect. A heartbroken guy is like, come on man, man up. Now, I'm not sure how much I agree with both of those, but to fucking interesting take. It's a very interesting take to think about

the possessiveness that guys have over even directs is even X's that they don't want anymore. I don't know whether you've ever had this where you've had an X girlfriend that you've let go by the buy and then there's still something about them. Like you see, they've moved on and you've moved on. You already moved on and yet there's still a little like twinge. You're like, I had an X that I broke up with, I broke up with. And then we were still like friends

and then she had told me she slept with someone else and I was like, disgusted. I was like, what? And I knew I was wrong to be disgusted. I was like, why the fuck? Like shouldn't there be more time? All these kind of things, 100% but for me, heartbreak was never about them being with someone else.

Yeah, the heartbreak was always just like the sadness of not having that person that you are loving and is loving you. I never would jump to, oh, she's gonna be with someone else now. So that's to me, that's new information. I'm not even thinking about the next person because I'm thinking about this moment right now where, yeah, I don't know, I think that that's weird.

That's like, that means the only reason you loved your wife is because she's not fucking other weird. That's like, that means the only reason you loved your wife is because she's not fucking other guys. That's a weird reason to love that person. I'm not sure that'd be the reason that you love them, but it might be the reason why heartbreak hurts so much on the other side of it. I don't think it's a reason that you stay together,

but I mean, it would hurt if she sleep when someone else I 100%, but I wouldn't go there until they did, and I wouldn't be heartbroken off of the hypothetical I would be sad because now this person I really love is no longer in my life. That's me personally. I don't know how do you think? Have you been heartbroken before? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and what was it? Was the heartbreak about that person being with other guys? No, no, it wasn't but there was there was some juvenile Possessiveness that came through, like after the fact, like ex-girlfriends and even girls that I was just seeing for a while.

And you're like, why the fuck is this sort of, this fear and resentment and bitterness around them moving on when I didn't want to be with them no more? Yeah, but you don't want them to stop wanting you. Yes. But that's super juvenile. That's very, very immature. I don't even know if it's, yeah, I think it's just insecure. I don't even know if it's juvenile.

I just think it's insecurity. And that's our insecurities. Like we still want to be loved. And if you fucking this other guy, what you, you stop loving me. Yep, yep, that's crazy. Like I still want that love so I could move on with ease. The greatest gift you can give a woman

in a breakup is hating you. Because it's easier. For her. Yes. But we all try to do this soft landing ship. We're like, oh, let's be friends with her because we're selfish. Right? It's like, I don't want to be the one inducing this pain in you. So we'll do this very easy calm break that's way more painful for them because they're not really broken up.

I mean, we got a reason to hate you. And we're still getting all the love that we want, because we don't want that love to stop immediately. So yeah, but the greatest gift you can give, hatred. I heard that people who are scared of breaking up with the partner because they're worried about how it's going to make them feel mostly guys to girls, that that's not a sign of empathy, it's a sign of narcissism.

100%. You think that you are so important that this girl who would live her entire life up until the moment that she met you, she won't be able to get old. Can no longer exist after you decide to drop the bomb. I thought one ex was gonna kill herself. How are we gonna set? I'm like, how could she live without me?

You know what I mean? I called her mom. I was like, you better check on her. Like, I'm not in her life. You know what I'm saying? That's ludicrous, isn't it? Meanwhile, she's fine. Exactly, but, yeah.

Sad, but fine. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Tate, Tate versus Jake Paul. Yeah. What do you think happens? I don't know, are they actually gonna fight? They had a face off. I think if they don't, it is even for somebody

that has as many resources as both of those guys do, they're dropping the bag big time if they don't do it. Surely, I mean, there's going to be, name me a bigger fight that could happen that would draw more normal public attention than Jake Paul fighting Andrew tight. Bigger fight, uh, Jake Paul versus Canelo Alvarez. Mm-hmm. That'll be bigger. I think in order for the fight to be big, Jake needs to be the heel. That's the fucking interesting question. Yeah. That's the interesting question. Yeah. What sort of fucking world have we got ourselves into? Where Jake pulls the hero in a fucking face down. Like only if you find like a guy from the depth of like the fucking ninth circle

and drag him out and he has Andrew Tate as the fucking bad guy. Yeah. It's crazy. Like are we supporting fucking Jake Paul? And I don't know if he will. I mean, I'm just, I just know for me, like I think actually this could be an absolutely amazing fight. And Jake might have gotten too good for this to be as successful, but Jake Paul versus Nate DS to me was always the ultimate one.

And I think Jake has actually gotten too much respect for that to be as interesting. Like I think most people go into that fight going, oh I think Jake will beat up Nate DS. Really? Before there was like, there's no chance, but we also said that about Anderson Silva. We said that about Tyrone, we said about all these people.

We're gonna have to accept that Jake is a really fucking good boxer. So, but I think the best fight is Jake against a qualified MMA guy that people love and Jake is the heel and he's doing what he does best, which is troll and tag and eyes. I mean, he did we not see McGregor versus Mayweather as an absolute super fight. That's two heels. Yeah, and it was really interesting that like Mayweather almost became a face and he didn't know what to do. Yeah, but would you not love to see

what happens when like an immovable object meets an unstoppable force at the press conference? I'm very pro, take, take poll, massively fuck. They can make money off of it, I want them to make money. I just don't know why Tate would do it, but again, I don't have an idea of his finances. Like, if you told me, if you told me Tate is worth $200 million, I was like, no, there's no reason to do this at all.

Like to risk permanent damage. He's, he's already said he has like some cornea issues or eye issues. Like this isn't going to be fucking good for you. I think he's maybe 34, 35, something like that. It's, it's not. If you have a hundred million, you couldn't get me to do shit with a hundred million. Hundred million, bro. Just in bed. I'm not fighting. For 100 million, no. Like I don't know why you would do that.

Because now what are you doing it for? You're doing it to prove something to the public. I guess you went back and forth with him. But Jake is a legit fucking boxer man. Like this guy's dedicated his life to it and he was young, young, er, when he got into it. He's not when he's like 40 year old guys that does the celebrity boxing. The kid was in his early 20s

and then dedicated every fucking seconds every day to it. So yeah, I don't know if I'm tate if I would do that. I wouldn't do that if I'm tate. Because you got the money, why risk it? And then I suppose one of the risks for this is every single time that Jake Paul steps into the ring with somebody, he can only win. If he gets beaten, he goes, look, it was fucking Anderson Silva, Tyrum Woodley,

it was whoever. They are disillustrious, it's Canelo Alvarez. It's fucking Andrew Tate, right? You know, four-time kickboxing world champion. Every single person that steps in must have like, our splitting nerves about if this guy fucking knocks me out. I'm an embarrassment.

Correct. How can you be the top jake? It's not very top j to lose to Jake Paul. Maybe it doesn't happen. You've made me think that it doesn't happen. I would never do it if I'm entertained because the reality is Jake Paul is probably going to beat you. And that's not saying that you're not an incredible fighter.

Clearly he's a fucking kickboxing world champion. Like one of the best kickboxers of his time, there's no doubt, right? We know that for a fact. You probably having kickboxers of his time, there's no doubt, right? We know that for a fact. You probably haven't kickboxed in years. If you've done any training at all, you know that the instincts, not just the muscles atrophy, the instincts do, the timing, thus like you take a year off the timing's not there. This guy, Jake, has been in the fucking ring. Now granted, he's big. I mean, how tall is Andrew? Six, two probably. Oh, I thought he was taller. Okay. So they're about the same, they're about the same height. Yeah, I wouldn't do it if I'm Andrew, especially if you got a hundred

mill in the bank. That's, there's no way. Yeah. What legacy counts for a lot, man? But then press some 14 year olds on the internet. Yeah, I was, I was adamant. It was going to have all right. So who does Jake fight next? Do you think? Nadeus. Nadeus. That's the one that you would make. If you were think? Nates. Nates is. That's the one that you would make. If you were the fucking Kingmaker. Nates is. Because you wanna rile up the MMA crowd.

You want everybody in MMA. MMA is bigger than boxing, right? Now, so it's like you want everybody in MMA to be rooting for the MMA guy. Because you have to tap into like a stream that's bigger than you. If you really wanna make things big, it can't be just you're following, my following.

We have to discuss an issue that all these other people also feel and ideally, they don't even know the fuck we are, but they tap into our conversation. So you want tribalism, you want in group out group, you want them and us. Bear minimum tribal curiosity. So like when we put out, I imagine you're gonna put out clips from this podcast.

Every one of those clips is gonna tap into an issue. Not you, not me, maybe there are a couple clips of a shulks about this, but it will be about a topic that's bigger than the both of us. And ideally people who don't even know the fuck we are find us, they find you, they go, I like the way this guy talks and interviews, maybe I'll listen to his other stuff.

But we're tapping into something bigger, right? Like so what's the umbrella? That's what I'm looking at when I look at a fight with them. I'm like, okay, what's the umbrella? The MMA crowd is desperately trying to prove that they're as qualified strikers as boxers. The boxers are desperately trying to prove that boxing is a much better martial arts,

is a much better form of defense, and you have those two groups using Jake and whoever he's fighting as proxies. Yes. Dude, I mean, it's like the war in Ukraine, right? It's like Afghanistan. You don't really want the fight. The fight ain't about the Taliban versus whatever.

It's about United States for a trussia. That's what I want the boxing match to be. So that and I want, you know, the whoever's boxing to make the most fucking money possible. It's a horrible way to make a living. So I hope Jake makes fucking tens of millions of dollars and then retires. He was talking about he's already getting some, was it speech, slurring, or maybe something was up with his thoughts. That's what he was saying. Bro, can you, I mean, what time, how old is he now? Like 26? Maybe not even dude. Okay, so let's say that Jake Paul's 26, 25 26, and he's been

doing this full time five years, four years, something like that. That's quick. And then the space of that long is seeing Miro degeneration, his speech is changing, something up with his eye, da da da da da da. Fucking wild. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, the kid is committed. He's a kid.

Because you're putting not only your health, but literally your lifespan on the line as well. Like, Jake has 100% lost maybe months, maybe years, from the amount of time he's going to be alive because he wants to pursue this purpose sport at the moment. Yeah. Fucking insane. That's who you're dealing with.

So think about that. Someone that's prepared to kill themselves sooner. Yeah. You're dealing with that level, commit, are you that committed? You got a hundred million in the bank, You got private jets. You're the top G You got all these girls. You got Bugatti's you got everything You're doing with the kid who's willing to give it all away. You have it all He's trying to get to top G if he has it. I don't know how much money is I'm assuming he has that much money

I'm never taking that you got to be crazy I mean, I give him a lot of respect for doing it because if he honors martial arts that much or something whatever fucking bullshit, but no fucking way No, fat point that kids hungry. Do you know why people don't fuck their sisters? Yeah, yeah, yeah, why? Um Too much fun You know it's like a fit ugly ugly sisters fits perfect, you know, it's like this Lego You know what I mean so I learned about this, I gotta fucking, I gotta tell you,

I gotta fucking, I gotta tell you about this shit, so I learned this shit, I gotta tell you about it, right? So there's something called the Western Mark effect. Okay. What it seems like happens, let's say that me and you are a brother and sister. Yeah. I can't tell that you're my genetic relative, right?

There's no, like fucking little code on your face. No smell anything. You would be able to notice an affinity, but you're not disgusted, sexually disgusted because of that. The reason is because of this thing called the Western Market Fact. So what happens is infants that are raised together for a good amount of time throughout their infancy,

usually between the age of one to two until puberty age. What they do is they look at their parents and the family around them and they see, who is mum giving attention to? Who am I being raised with? Who's she breastfeeding? If you're the older sibling, you look at,

did that baby come out of mum and around the time of labor, was she holding this baby that then became my brother or sister? And that's called the Westermark window, right? So you have this period of time and what you get is this sexual disgust imprinting. So that's called the Westermark window, right? So you have this period of time and what you get is this sexual disgust in printing. So that's why you don't have sex.

Not because of some inbuilt fucking innate, I know that you're my brother or sister, it's because of this window. Now the interesting thing happens when brother and sister are split apart at birth. They'll fuck? Not necessarily, but, well, I mean, in the same amount of hit rate that two random people

on the street would do, but they don't have sexual disgust because they haven't lived together for that time. Same thing goes for the father that leaves the daughter's life and then comes back in later in life and you think maybe already daddy issues. But also, there's something about this person. It seems like humans have a predisposition, they have an affinity toward people that resemble them a little bit. You'll actually see them if you look at couples walking down the street and you go like, you kind of look alike a little bit. And there is an affinity for that.

So what you end up with is this very dangerous situation where two, a brother and sister that have been taken apart, can then come back together and they don't have that sexual disgust. In Indonesia, there was a period where families would adopt the daughter of another family when she was a newborn and betroth her to their son, raise them together. But what they didn't realize was that they were putting them through this western mark window

and it meant that even though they weren't genetically related, they had sexual disgust. They were disgusted. Yeah, how interesting, so. Fuck. So interesting is that? Fuck. So what would happen? Would they have sex with one another?

With difficulty. I mean, like, brothers and sisters have done it before, but it's fucking hard. Like, it's very, very ingrained to do that. We should give them some credit, like, for getting past it. Yeah, like a lot of Niagara and a fucking good panel. No, but we tease all these like,

southerners, they're like, oh, it's all inses, blah, blah, blah, these like, brother fuckers, whatever like that. But like, I guess what you're trying to say is like, we should honor them for their ability to break through the Westmark barrier, right? Is that what you're pointing at? That's not my point.

Do you bring this up to justify incest? I want more incest. I'll justify it like more incest. Give them a medal. Like, like, you couldn't fuck your sister, you pussy, you know what I mean? Let me fuck it. Like, that That guy did. Well I know that you don't have a sister. Yeah and I'm an only child. So they know you know of you could have smashed out your sister in leads or something like that. You think could have been up in leads. Oh fuck separated at birth.

Jack Curley had a big jawline and fucking stupid accent. Dude imagine adopted people got to worry about all the time. Do you not remember that sperm donor guy? There was that documentary on Netflix, that dude, that it turned out he was the fertility doctor and he was using his own sperm. This is in Brazil, or something? No, it's in the US.

Oh, really? It's on Netflix, no, it's fucking brilliant. In the US. And this guy. Oh yeah, he like, oh, that's right. Like 40, yeah, like fucking everybody. And they were all thinking, apparently one of the like oh, that's right. The whole thing like fucking everybody and they were all thinking Yeah apparently one of the women said exactly that which was waiting for the list of names to come through and praying that it wasn't an ex boyfriend

Oh But remember about that like she can we also point this out like a lot of them wouldn't have gotten like doctor genetics Now I'm not saying they should be grateful right mmm, but like, they're probably objectively smarter because of the fatility doctor. Yeah, like, I mean, is that not MD? I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe they got psychopartial. It's bad. It's bad what he did. Yeah, but all those kids are smarter. Imagine they're dumb dads, do it in a minute, fix and plumbin' all day and shit like that, comin' home to this smart ass fuckin' kid, right? Don't, Jim Shark, don't cancel me. But like, think about it, like, they're smarter because of it.

They were able to figure it out because of that fuckin' doctor, Jean. One of those kids got to the bottom of it. And that's the father's fault. Because of the gift that the father gave them. Yeah, come back. So they did a study where they got guys to imagine tongue kissing their sister, right? You pulled the face. So what they were doing was they were videoing the facial expressions of these guys. I was doing this because my sister was also a big nose

So I was like just getting out of the way it hits the mic sometimes. I noticed you and they, they were tracking the facial expressions and they can categorize them. They could say, this is disgusting, this is happiness, this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they found that right on cue, some of the guys were like, oh, and some of the dudes were so far back that the camera went out with focus. However, the guys that didn't have sisters

showed a disproportionate amount of like smiles curling at the edge of the mouth because it's like, there's no sexual, there's no like incest aversion, there's no sexual disgust for them. Why do you think we're so into like the step sisters and that kind of shit? Fucking fascinating question, I don't know why.

Like incest porn and step-mom porn. That's popping right now, isn't it? The incest porn? Yeah, and the step-mom porn. Well, I think the milth thing that's pandemic related, like we're all in the house together and it's like the only person you're seeing and the stepmom porn. Well, I think this, the milth thing. Do you think that's pandemic related? Like, we're all in the house together and it's like the only person you're seeing is your stepmom.

Maybe. There's definitely something to do with the milth thing, which is like, an older, more powerful woman that can say what she wants. I think that's attractive. I think that's one of the reasons that guys go toward the milth thing. I mean, why do you, why are people fucking?

But that's what guys are turned on by now. Some guys are. Some guys are turned on by like fucking cook porn and all sorts of stuff. Yeah, what do you think about that? That cook thing is so odd. I really can't. Oh yeah, we were talking about that. I really can't come up with a good example or a good explanation for it. I've got a guy coming on next year who's one of the premier researchers into cooking. So I'm going to ask him and I'll find out like what it is that he's the premier. One of them, there's not many.

Imagine being like the worst. Like, yeah, I'm one of the worst researchers in Coug Port. Like, listen, I watch my wife get fucked a lot. Like, I've been doing what it's up, man. Yeah, I just can't figure out why I love it so much. Like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the premier researcher, has he tried it? Is that like some Keynesy shit?

We're like, you do not even know this for me. Oh, he's doing it for himself. I have no idea. I don't know man, but. What we're saying out there is that you're trying to control a non-controllable situation, right? Like, you're getting cheated on a lot. So you're like, okay, I'm just gonna allow this

as if you're in charge. But being in the room and watching it as a way to like almost desensitize yourself, yeah, I don't know. Dude, I have a friend who was trying non-monogamy for the first time and his wife was upstairs banging her boyfriend while he was downstairs dry wretching on all fours on the bathroom counter. And his dry wretching, what is that throwing up?

Oh, like, had nothing to bring up, but just felt like- But she was also up there like, whoah! Yeah. Like, isn't nothing to bring up, but just felt like she was also up there like Isn't that interesting that like she was on all fours also dry-wrenching in in unison together. It's like we're still together He said he just is fun mate And yeah, he was like it was at the time he's now realized different at the time he was like, oh, it was at the time he's now realized different. At the time he was like, dude, I think I was just working through my trauma. You know, like I was just letting go of the ego.

I was allowing it to evaporate. Yeah. I'm like, maybe that's just something that you shouldn't be doing. Maybe just, maybe- That's such an excuse for everything that we do that's fucked up, because I was working through my trauma. You know, like, no, no, no, you just something's off right there in my dude. Also, we have too many names for things. We got to stop naming weird shit because it normalizes it.

But like, like, like, non-monogamy. It's like, no, no, no. Cuck, it just, describe it. And then you're going to feel embarrassed and then you won't do it. Don't, write a name. Uncircumcised. Oh, yeah. I've told you about that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you saw that on PPD. Damn fucking right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck is going on? I blew my, blew my mind. Explain uncircumcised.

Yeah, it's just a stupid word. There's just no point for the word. Yeah, it's just, it's circumcised and dick. That's what I was saying. Yeah, we don't call things un-gay, you know what I mean? But this is, the joke that I was trying to make, it was obviously with all the Kanye stuff and the Jews being controlled the media.

So in my mind, I'm like, all right, what's the funniest way where I can make the argument that Jews do control the media? And then I thought about the Dix and I was like, yeah, I'm circumcised. Well, I have a Jewish dick, I'm not Jewish, but my dick is Jewish. And that seems pretty good control.

I was in the car with a friend a couple of weeks ago, and his girlfriend was sitting next to me. We were talking about this exact thing. And she went, honey, close your ears for a second. I have seen a lot of dick in my life. I have never seen one that's got a foreskin. I was like, wow, if you're in the UK, you would have struggled to see one

that didn't have a foreskin. In fact, if you're Brian, you have too much. Like you've got way more than you need. Fucking 90% force kit. You could use it as a burka. Like, what is that going over there? He's gonna do, he's gonna, when he becomes Muslim,

he's gonna get circumcised. Step into it like a sleeping bag. That's for his new pride, bro. That's for his new pride. Oh, pride. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a, no, it's a fascinating term that's just, yeah, getting, yeah, it's such a weird thing.

Why is it that so many Americans are so conscious? That are conscious. A circumcised. Why, what is Kanye's answer? No. No, I think it became like a health thing at one point. Like people thought it was healthier.

I've looked it up a little bit, but it is an odd tradition, right? And what's so interesting about it is the way that women perceive it. Like women in America are, I wanna say repulse, but they're not into the whole thing. In tact, yeah, yeah.

And it is just, it is a fascinating thing that like you could create perception and create a version to something that is natural. Like the way it's supposed to look, you know, even now. Like I'm like mine looks better. Yeah, well that was Bill Mars take. Bill Mars said that it's so ugly. And I'm like well that's kind of the same as saying like someone that hasn't chopped an arm off. it's so ugly. And I'm like, well, that's kind of the same as saying,

like someone that hasn't chopped an arm off, is more ugly. But it's so fucking, you're so right about it being like a cultural conditioning thing. This is what you're used to or what you think and there's some sort of like predisposition around it. But authentic things does make them better. You're taking away.

So here's the, Oh, we do that all the time, right? We take away fat. You look better, you know, we, we add jawline. We do these other things. I'll get into the fucking meat and potatoes of it. You have a gossamer thin amount of fucking tissue on the fucking corona of the penis, right? That's protected by the foreskin or the bell end, as we call it, you get like, the fucking brilliant insult, calling or the bell end, as we call it, in the UK, like, the bell end, fucking brilliant insult. Calling someone a bell end is so satisfying. I dig it.

You get, like, caratonized balance over time. Like, the head of the penis becomes like fucking, so you've got, I can only imagine that Jewish women have got to like fucking, oh, in order to- It loses sensitivity. Absent 100% loses sensitivity. There is a huge movement online that says

male circumcision is gentle mutilation for boys because it down regulates the amount of pleasure sensitivity. Absolutely. 100% lose your sensitivity. There is a huge movement online that says male circumcision is gentle mutilation for boys because it down regulates the amount of pleasure that they can get. But isn't that good because maybe our women come more because of it? Because you can last longer. Yeah. Interesting. I'd love to see someone do a study on this, please. We got to do a study. That's actually really good. How many pumps can the... How many pumps? Because you guys are so sensitive, your bus one-huh. And we're out here just, you know, smashing hips. Just smashing hips, dude. We really might be. That's a great fucking point. Shout out to Jews. The Jews knew that what it's the most feminist thing that they've

done. The Jews knew. The Jews knew that women need orgasm. We need to desensitize these dicks. They just had them out there in the desert, just dragging along the fucking sand and shit. And eventually it got to the point where they're just making their women come non-fucking stop. This is brilliant. This is true. It's like someone's chopped the end of a baseball bat

and it's fucking just dangling down there. That's it. It's rock hard piece of, yeah. But think about it. If it's helping the women out and help, what is the most embarrassing thing as a guy? It's coming to you quick. Not in Sioux's in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they should have chopped more of mine off because I stay coming to her. Let's talk. I think I only got like a half truck. Can I take a bit more off the top please? Yeah, take it off my boy. That is so true.

Short back inside please. Yeah. So is it super sensitive for you? Well, I don't know, I haven't got nothing to compare it to. Yeah. It's like, fuck, it's a dick. Yeah. So I think like, yeah. Like when it comes out, is it like cold?

Like, not usually temperature checked. I'll check next time. But like when you park it back, does it feel wind? Oh yeah, if it was breezy, absolutely. Oh really? Oh, I don't feel it. What's yours? Like the fucking bottom of your foot? Exactly.

Like the crack, like fucking skin on the back of your heel. Yes. Right. Yeah. It's bird Christchers heel You have to put one of those compete things on that girls that wear heels too much and get like fucking blisters Like if it ever gets like fucking rubbing on the zip No, no, you can't go. Oh, actually, we have underwear in America Yeah, but I was gonna say if you go without the underwear and you catch it on the back of a fucking zip or something You probably wouldn't even notice you would even notice. No, no, no

It's still kind of sensitive, but it's not as sensitive as you guys for sure. Cool, yeah. Let's go back and we can compete later on. Yeah, yeah, we'll see what's more, yeah, we'll just flick it. That'd be good. I just see who reacts. I'm wondering, is my even that sensitive?

That's an interesting one. That's also another thing. Like if you don't get hard, don't feel bad about it. Blame the Jews. Oh, because you desensitize me. Exactly like this part of a Jewish conspiracy to give me erectile dysfunction. Kanye, Kanye, talk to us.

You've missed one. We call it whiskey dick. It's not whiskey dick. It's yarmacodic. Jew dick. Yeah. Yeah. That is good. That is good. See how comedy works, guys? This is good.

That is good. See how comedy works, guys? This is fun. Now, if I wasn't a comedian, this is just two guys committing a hate crime on a podcast. So, I've got the light. I've got the light above us. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Thank you. I'm fucking, here's another one. So, one of my friends, his wife's sister is six foot two without heels, very tall. Wife's sister. Wife's sister is very tall. Okay, true Jordy's sister is two fat heels. Okay, go on, go on.

She was walking through a supermarket and she was lamenting the fact that she can't find a partner that is taller than her. Like women on average want to date someone, at least that's not shorter. Yeah. And she's struggling and they're walking around the supermarket and they see this guy who's like six foot seven

of the fast side, apparently really good luck and dude. And she sees him on the edge of the aisle. And she's like, wow, sort of nudges the sister and says, I might go and speak to him. And then they see him push the trolley along as they follow him around the aisle like stalkers. And they seem go up to a five foot three girl who pops something in the cart and like gives him a kiss

on the cheek and keeps on going. And she's like, this short fucking bitch, she's like this short fucking bit she could have had five five five she could have had five six she could have had five she could have had five four and it would have been fine me meanwhile fucking six foot two can't find any partners out then she's taking him up yeah is it the case that girls that earn 30 grand a year shouldn't be going for millionaires for precisely the same reason. This tall girl problem, they're capturing, if you're a fucking PhD that earns half a million years of woman, like you can eat.

You can eat a broker, dude. Precisely. So should it be the case that it's like you should have a height limit so that it makes it farer for the dating world, what do you think? That is kind of interesting. Women are allowed to have standards. Yeah.

We're not really allowed to have that. Also, it seems like there's more scrutiny when we want standards, but women really allowed to have that. How so? It seems like there's more scrutiny when we want standards, but women are allowed to have standards. Like they can date someone who, they can say, I don't want to date someone who makes less money than me, and I do want to date someone who is taller than me,

and I want to date, can all these specific things, and that's okay, and when we do that, we are objectifying them in some way. I think that that's unfair. That's probably unfair. But if they're tapping into their biological impulses, I guess that's okay. I guess the question is, when can we stop tapping

into our biological impulses? Well, the equivalent for men is that mandate younger. That is true. So this is one thing that the man is to you. But that has to do with like, fertility, youth, et cetera. But specifically, right? Well, youth is... Optimizing fertility. Yeah, but what. But specifically, right? Like, well, youth is a...

Optimizing fertility. Yeah, but what is resources and status for? That's protection of your baby. That's why women tend to date up and across. Yeah, that means... Dominance and height in the men. So, like, this is one of the things that never really gets discussed

in the world of online men's advice for dating. They'll always point at women and say, your hypergamy is fucking disgusting. Why is it that you want the millionaire? You don't realize that you're a five out of 10 and actually you're trying to get like these guys that is 0.1% of the entire population. And you go, okay, has any guy ever been told

that they should date older? Because you're saying women, your inbuilt predisposition is wrong. Maybe that's up for debate. But if you're going to make that case, you have to say to men, your preference for younger women is also wrong. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, I think that makes... And it's not like we have a preference for younger women always. You just have a preference for younger women as you get older because that's where the fertility, what would you say? Like, it ranges. Window fertility. Unless you're in Leonardo DiCaprio. Exactly.

Well, he's not even trying to get him pregnant. Just bouncing off the fucking limit of 25. Yeah, yeah. Fucking 25th birthday and there's like a fucking scheduled email. There's a scheduled email on a birthday as soon as you get to the real time. It is, like, I mean, she's excited. If you'll go for number eight,

and it's your 25th birthday, and you know that it's happened seven times before. You're like, I saw this coming. Yeah, I don't know. I think if a woman wants to have kids and she doesn't prioritize a man's wealth in some way when she's picking them, she doesn't care enough about her kids.

Because resources will give the kids a better life? Not only better life, like security while she's unable to work, like bare minimum. Like if you have a job that's gonna give you fucking nine months of whatever it's called, maternity leave, et cetera, like security while she's unable to work. Like bare minimum. Like if you have a job that's gonna give you fucking nine months of whatever it's called, maternity leave, et cetera, okay,

then you can have a little bit more security. But I don't think there's anything wrong with a woman going, okay, I need some protection. What if I want to raise these kids? What if I want to give these kids the best possible? I don't think there's anything wrong. I wouldn't call it gold digging. It's gold digging if you want a rich guy

and don't want kids. Then you're a gold digging. It's gold digging if you want a rich guy and don't want kids. Then you're a gold digging bitch. If you want 20 kids, get a rich motherfucker that can afford them. That's beautiful. The only thing that makes you a gold digger is not wanting kids. Because once you have kids, ideally, your focus should be on them. It's not even the things that you're gonna get. Your focus should leave you. I don't have kids yet, but I want kids, like my wife and I are trying to have kids. And I'm excited for this part of my life where it's not only about me or my wife anymore. It's about something else. I'm excited to live for something else. That's great. But yeah, I don't think you're a golden woman if you have kids at all. The problem that you have

is most women want to date someone that earns the same or more than them. I don't think anyone who wants to date the same. They want to date more, earns the same or more than them. I don't think any woman wants to date the same. They want to date more, right? At the very least, it would be different. They'll accept the same. Yes, but they would want more. The issue is that women are out earning men, two to one women, completing four year US college degrees, women between 21 and 29 earn 1111 pounds more than men do.

So you have an ever increasing group of women that are high performing. But that's date, by the way. Uh huh. Not just fuck. Fuck is totally different. But you're going to have to get past fucking order to get to date for the most part. That's if a dude wants to,

here's the thing where I think all these things are true, but I think the argument starts to fall apart a bit of it because the dudes that are incredibly frustrated by women aren't trying to date and have a girlfriend. They're trying to get some pussy Correct. So and girls will give you some pussy even if you don't have a good job and all this other stuff Please believe I got way I got plenty of pussy before I did anything right now I know there's dudes right now there and I was joking around this on the podcast But like if you ever want to be complimented by a dude just tell him you got pussy before you were famous

And they're gonna tell you everything about you while you got pussy. Oh, your hands over your jaw, you're in good shape, all this other shit. Not your personality at all. They become the biggest objectifier of you because they're trying to tell themselves why they don't get pussy, right? But 100% you can't, girls are willing to sleep with dudes that are making them feel comfortable, safe, and also laugh and, and have a good time. Obviously, lifestyle helps.

There's tons of dudes getting pussy because they got yachts and all this other shit. But you do not need that. I promise you, you do not need that at all to get laid. That is the biggest lie ever. At all. At all. It's easier, but you do not need it. I was living with my parents for years,

bringing girls into their apartment. My mom drinking a fucking 40, of course, light. Oh, I mean, it's crazy. I don't know why she would drink that Scottish woman, Shows this guy's woman. And then just saying hello and like being an adult, late 20s, living with my parents. Crushing.

They don't care. So do you think there's always talk on the internet about life? Be fun. That's what they care about. There are so few guys that are fun. That is the rarest thing in the world, a guy who's genuinely fun. Well, think about one of the things that the current dating advice would make people do make them take their lives very seriously, who would make them take dating incredibly seriously, the interactions. Every interaction you're thinking, this person tried to take advantage of me? Do I need to set the tone here? Do I need to just have some fucking fun?

Laugh, be silly. They will also be silly. You'll have a great fucking time. She might have these requirements and eventually go, you know what, this person isn't taking his life, I don't wanna say seriously, but this person isn't at a place in their life where I can move forward with this.

But please believe, you would go to a city like New York City where there's so many women just moving here. They actually are looking to hook forward with this. But please believe, you would go to a city like New York City where there's so many women just moving here. They actually are looking to hook up with God. They're like, I wanna hook up with my first guy in New York. Oh, I've never hooked up with a Puerto Rican guy. This is gonna be really fun. They're gonna be objectifying you. They God, I've never hooked up with a bartender from it.

Boom, done. It is like, the biggest myth ever is that these girls do not want to fuck guys. They do. And they don't even fuck what your value is. What is your value that night? Are you the funny guy at the bar that night? You're the highest value man.

Simple as that. I think that you have to almost lie to yourself a little bit more. You have to, you should lie to yourself. Be like, every girl in here is starved for dick. And unfortunately, I only have one. But that's the mentality that you should enter the room with. I really do believe that.

I think that would help you. Not the mentality that every woman in here is trying to take my gold. Yeah. What a horrible way to live. What do you think about the body positivity movement? What about it? So I saw Bill Burbot from his show at Red Rocks.

And he had this really fucking fascinating insight. So I've learned about this thing called intersexual competition, right? Intersexual competition. So women competing with women for men, and then competing with men for women. The current world, both popular media and also the men's online dating space

is saying that men and women are each other's adversaries, right? Their loss is your gain and vice versa. But it seems like most competition happens in truss sexually, not intersexuality. I'm fucking burned, nailed it in this piece. What he was saying was, how have we got ourselves to the stage where normal, average,

can't remember you fucking name-looking women have convinced all of their bigger friends that they don't need to lose weight? The reason for that is that it makes you the hot one in your group of friends. You reduce your unintersectional competition by encouraging body positivity. It's like, fucking keep on eating you fat bitch, lose a toe.

Like, so, it made me see body positivity through an entirely new fucking lens. There's no woman that's proud to be fat. That is a myth. This is not true. The even the skinniest women don't think they're skinny enough. Like if you actually believe that these fat girls on the internet that are saying how proud they are of their body

are actually proud, you just don't know any women at all. Women are constantly scrutinized for their weight. Doesn't matter how, even though it's fit girl, like the most fit athletic girl is upset she's not skinny like a model. And that skinny girl that's a model is upset she's not fit like the athletic girl.

Everybody is, they're constantly worried about their bodies. Like this idea that there's these like fat confidence chicks, no, maybe if you've been fat your whole life, you've like learned how to accept it and you have another confidence that like these skinny girls don't have because they're trying to live up to these unrealistic expectations. But I truly do not believe every fat girl you see walking down the street is like proud to be fat while they're fee five foe fun and all over a mall, right?

Like there's their in their embarrassed about that. And they want to do something to fix it, right? You don't want to come on, bro. want to do something to fix it right you don't want to come on bro listen do you want to do that you walk into the Apple store the iPads are fucking shaking and shit like that that's not it that's a problem right that is a problem you're trying to get a brand new iPad the guy is telling you about it it's popping out the charger you're like the fuck is going on here oh my god is there a beanstalk in this right I think there's a beanstalk in this apple store. Is that, do you think the beanstalk to the genius bar?

Like, how do I do, you know, I don't think there's any girl that's actually confident about that. And I think they're trying to mask that confidence. We were talking about earlier. You told me about that, that interesting point. Yeah, we just talked about now. That's the thing I forgot about.

What is that? Well, I think that there's a couple of things going on. You're like, you can and should be happy with where you're at, but also want more. I think the problem comes when you try and tell other people that this is the way that they should be. So that's the inner citadel. The inner citadel is, I damage my leg, I try to fix it.

If I can't, then I chop it off, and I announce that the desire for legs is misguided and must be subdued by everybody. So how many people that are a part of the body positivity movement are there because they struggle to lose weight and then announce that the entire world's view of weight and health's link is completely misguided and that's wrong. You can be, you know, you're saying here, embrace the person that you are as the shorter guy that maybe doesn't have as much money

and maybe doesn't have the right job. But like, what can you do, right? So the same thing goes for this. You can be perfectly happy in the position that you are without telling everybody else that they need to adhere to your biases. Yeah, you have to accept things you can't change. I think the thing with weight is we perceive it

as something that can be changed quite easily, especially if you have good metabolism. Like, if you're skinny without doing nothing, you're like, oh, you must be fat because you're overeating and lazy. But the reality is, is there different metabolism, right? Like some people just are fatter. It's harder for them to lose weight.

They got to try way harder and they got to sacrifice way more. Now, my question is like, how much you want to sacrifice? We were talking about this earlier. Like, I would rather be fat than David Goggins any day of the week. That seems like the worst life ever. Like the guy got no fucking toenails, like he's saying his knees are completely devoid of any cartilage, like it's a con, like he got a whole team just to get up and run every single fucking day. And it's like, that sounds awful. Like I'd rather be plump and enjoying meals with my friends and like,

just embracing dessert, I love dessert. I wonder whether it's an issue with theory of mind. I wonder whether it's because you can't imagine what it would be like. Let's say, I don't think that this is necessarily the case, but let's say that Goggins takes as much pleasure from running 30 miles a day and doing 500 push-ups as you do from going out with your friends.

Let's just say that that's the case. Let's say that there is a person for whom they can be as happy and confident at the size that they are as the person that is in whatever the shape is. That's not to say that there isn't. On average, I don't think that that's the case for most people. I think that most people end up being happy with a varied life that gives them a good bit of freedom and has a little bit of discipline. Yeah, I agree with you completely.

And again, that was just me personally based on what I value, right? So the one tricky thing with body positivity is the assumption that these things are healthy. And I think nobody's saying don't love your body. What they're saying is don't mislead people into thinking that that's health, right? Like it is not healthy. Like doctors say that this is not healthy.

And I think that's the only pushback. If you're like, yo, I'm fat and I'm not healthy, but I like to live like this. I don't think anybody's gonna be angry at you. Why do I give a fuck that you're fat? But what if they say, I'm fat and I'm confident like this? Great, your life, do what the fuck you want. You not hurting me.

I'm fat and this is healthy. Now you're misleading people. Now there's other people are like, okay, I could potentially be fat and I don't have to worry about my body at all and you can, I guess, do that, but it is misleading. It's not true. There was a university in Canada

that recently took all of the nutritional information off of the meal plans that students had because then seeing the calories on the back was too triggering. Was too triggering. Too triggering. Wow. Wow. Wow. Why would that be triggering if they're fine with how they look?

Well, I don't think that they are. I just think that calories were seen as part of a, probably patriarchal superstructure that is trying to keep people in their place based on an arbitrary sense of calories and calories out, which is... I'm beyond that you wrote. I don't really believe in calories, dude. Don't believe in calories. Okay. This is interesting. Let's let's dig in. Like, I don't think liquid shit is calories. I challenge you to drink a bunch of Dunkin' Donuts shakes and tell me otherwise.

Depends how liquidy it is. But like, for example, I know this sounds crazy, but like, yeah, I don't think there's any calories. What if you drink a bunch of cream? Is that not liquidy enough? Let me tell you something, bro. You shouldn't be drinking cream. That's absolutely disgusting. But like, catch up, don't got no calories.

You know what I mean? Like, it's liquid, right? You know what I'm saying? Like a Coca-Cola, our calories I got out of here. Like, if you just, you know what I mean? Like, I just don't believe it. I don't believe it. I don't think liquid shit really got calories.

I think once you make a liquid, then calories go somewhere else, bro. I'm the peanut on it. I'm the peanut on it. Bread has calories. I try to stay off that bread. That bread is dangerous. So by your logic, the most solid of food is, the. Bread has calories. I try to stay off that bread. That bread is dangerous. So by your logic, the most solid of food is,

the more calories it has. Like sofa, cheese. Mad calories. Cheese, crazy calories. Cheese, it depends. Is it grilled? You know what I mean? If it's melted.

If you get it while it's melted, that's no calories. But if that's just such a coagulated a little bit, now some caloric, you know, it is going up. I'm just telling like mayonnaise ain't got no calories, bro. Like there's certain things when you liquefy, I don't believe it. You can't tell me right now, Fanta got calories.

You can't tell me. I drink a Fanta, I'm full. Heubin, man. I never drink a Fanta and I'm full. Andrew, I need to speak to you. We have someone that is not Dr. Heuban's on the phone. You tell me right now. You tell me right now.

How many calories is in a phanta? 180 or some shit like that? Probably like 200. 200 calories. Yeah. Okay. You drink a phanta and eat a snickers. Which one makes you more full? The snickers.

Cause calories ain't real. Cause calories ain't real. Because calories ain't real. Now, I don't think they're not real in its entirety, but I think the system that we're using is fucked up, bro. I don't think it's legit. Let's say, let's say for argument's sake that you're wrong. Let's just imagine in another world that you might be wrong. I'm down to the hypothetical.

You can drink way more fancy than you can eat Snickers. I believe that. Which would mean that. Now you're I believe that. Which would mean that- Not at all my level. Which would. Now you're rockin' with me. But no, but it means that you can fit it in your body. It doesn't mean that it's not going to impact your world.

No, because calorie is a unit of measurement for how much energy it takes to digest something. I think it takes more to digest the Snickers or loaf of bread than a fuckin' liquid. I pee that out. You, hey, hey, buddy, hey, buddy. Don't even digest it. How about that?

In out. Don't even digest it. I'm asking for you to digest it. I don't want no energy from this. The most ideal way to drink some shit is get that flavor and then pee it out with the bubbles. I'm cool with the bubbles. Still carbonated. Yes, still carbonated.

I don't want that as cow is. I just with the bubbles. I'm cool with the bubbles. Still carbonated. Yes, still carbonated. I don't want that as calories. I just want the flavor. I, you cannot convince me right now that 200 calories of bread is the same as 200 calories of Coca-Cola. I know for a fact it's not. Okay, there will be. And nobody will, nobody will do whatever.

If you get diabetes in three years time, everyone's gonna know where it came from. Let me ask you this, right? If calories are the same no matter what, why is it that Appkins works or keto works? Because it is significantly easier to feel full from protein and fat than it is from carbs. Cubs cause you to eat more.

Carbs cause you to eat more? Correct. I get fuller way quicker with carbs immediately. That's my point. So when you get, no, sorry. It is, you will feel more satiated from protein than you will do from. Over a long period of time,

but the immediate fullness comes from carbs. True, but you also have. You're starting to get on my side. Fuck it. You're starting to get on my, I'm just saying liquid. There are dieticians, like committing what's that fucking thing, seppuku, now in the fucking comments.

Horror, yeah, that thing, whatever it is. Yeah, anime, yeah, that, they're doing that. Where they kill themselves. Yeah, that's it, that's what they're doing. They're soft. Mr. Beast. What'd you learn from Mr. Beast? Because I'm kind of, but I'm kind of like,

amazed by him because I can't work out whether it's Work rate or creativity or like openness to trying new things or attention to detail And then I watched a vlog the other day that says he basically lives in The factory that he bought that has all of his different studios in so he's obviously super committed super committed What do you learn from Mr. Beast? How to run a brothel. A lot of people don't know that about him, but. Okay, that's a side hustle.

You move into sluts. Loves, like, you know how he's like big on the hamburgers? That's not the only meat that he's slinging, bro. This guy sells bodies, man, like men and women, just jiggleos and hookers. Like in order to- Oh, he's an equal opportunity employee. He's very equal, 100% everybody's allowed,

but love selling sex, big into it. Okay. Yeah, so that's how we got to- Imagine the production quality of Mr. Beast's only funds. Oh, you got to see them person, bro. We'll go to North Carolina. Fucking six K, 3D VR. Dude.

Yeah, watch VR porn. Say again. If you ever watch VR porn. No. Because I've had sex before. Yeah, well, like I advise, I advise doing it once just so that you can see the future fucking demise of this civilization.

Why is that good? Well, it's like this, it's like there. Yeah. It's like fucking, like right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like pretty terrifying. Yeah, or yeah, I don't know. I'm not a big porn guy, but to be honest, Mr. Beast is the motherfucking goat.

And like the way that he's, I mean, just everything. And he's also very gracious with information. Like he shares nonstop. Like he can ask him for assistance on things. And he's like, yeah, do this, do that. Blah, blah, blah. And he's just, he's just great.

His whole team is great. I mean, Tark is great. Like all those guys are fucking awesome. They analyze the hell out of what makes videos work for attention on YouTube. And then they create those things. And it's just, yeah, he's fucking, I can't say enough great things about outside of the hookers thing that he loves.

Yeah, slinging dick. So, yeah, it seems to me like, it would big dick, dude. How much for skin? Bro, you know, he doesn't like for skin, that's another thing. Okay. He doesn't, he like, what he'll do is he'll bread them and make like calamari out of them. So, like, he has this cool restaurant,

that's the new restaurant that he's made where he has breaded for skins, and then he sells them his calamari. Beast skin. Yeah, beast skin. Beast skin. Yeah, it's crazy that you know that. How do you know that?

I got, so the trademark issue online. But outside of that, like selling parts of Dick, like Baby Dick at that, he's a great guy. How many calories are in Baby Dick? Honestly, dude. Oh, man. I don't believe in Baby Dick calories either, to be honest, to be completely honest with you, dude. I don't believe in baby that calories either, to be honest, to be completely honest with you, dude.

I don't believe in it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'll have to ask. Yeah.

You could imagine a world in which Mr. Beast using like analytics and this sort of reverse engineering. What do we know that works? And I spent 10 grand on a thumbnail and I do this stuff to end up with quite a formulaic and like, stodgy feeling production. But it doesn't. It still feels. It's not changing. But it still feels like creative and open and fluid and stuff like that.

That seems pretty like almost impossible to do. It seems like the balance that is very difficult to strike. Of course. There's a bunch of YouTubers that can make the formulaic, like, this is my process, and this is how it will work, and I'll rinse and repeat. But then to do that, which you know works, and then keep it fresh, that's all.

Success is seductive. It's very hard to move away from success. And guaranteed success is a thing that you've already been doing very well. So him doing a new type of video, or a new genre, a new platform actually creates longevity, right? Like, but at the same time, it's dangerous.

You know, it's a dangerous thing to do. He could flop. And when he flops, it's big. Think about like Hollywood won't even make a new movie. We're on Mission Impossible Nine. Like that's, you know what I'm saying? Like there's no new movies because they're worried about the amount of money that they're spending

not being returned to them. And so that's why like, yeah, I got a lot of respect for Jimmy and the boys, man. A good example of that with your stuff. You decide to do a new style of comedy online, which is like direct to camera. You start to see some success with that. Is it difficult for you to then say, I need to kind of let this go. You have proof,

you have theft, palm of your fucking hand on YouTube studio, on the analytics proof, shows are selling out better, everything's going better, and now I'm, what, I'm gonna let that go. I'm gonna stop doing the thing that I just found that works to do another new thing which I don't know works yeah that's fucking exciting also like the time didn't call for it like I'll bring that back and when I say I'll we'll bring that back like because all the guys work on it you know it was those those those fucking rants were, were amazing. I mean, yeah, that was just an awesome time, you know,

Mark and I started writing them, then we brought in a guy named Robbie Slovik, who works for John Stewart now, but he's so fucking brilliant. We would write these like literal essays and then turn them into jokes. And it was, it took so much fucking time. It was unbelievable the amount of time they took to make those. Miles would make these images and it was great. But the time needed it, like culturally we needed that. I remember I got sent a Bill Mar video about,

he did a rant about the, why it's not racist to call it the Chinese virus. And then he gave all these exam, West Niles from West Nile Long Island. And this is from this. And this is just what we do. And he, and I got sent that same video by my wife's stepfather by my brother,

by my youngest employee. It was like multiple generations of people were sending me the same thing and I was like, ooh There's a lack of a voice for honesty right now and people are craving it And if we can just get the thing right and be truthful Then it will have eyeballs and then what we inserted to it were jokes that you've never seen Like a level of harshness with the jokes that you just have never seen with topical stuff. Like, there no network would be okay with those jokes.

But the point was also something that was sliced so thin you've never seen that. So it was like this combination of like, an intellectual take, there was empathetic to potentially what both sides were feeling about an issue. And what we believe to be was like, the truest version of that issue with the harshest jokes you've ever seen. And it was great because we're at this time where like nobody believed anything.

And I think now we're so disensitized from like being told one thing and then it end up being fake for like three years in a row. I think people have just checked out. So right now is not the time to do that. But eventually like, you know, who knows, you know, presidential race comes up, we might get back into it. You never know. But right now everybody just wants to disassociate.

Even the drugs people are using. It's like ketamine's popular right now. It's not cocaine. Cocaine is like, I'm in, what are we doing? Ketamine is like, I'm an observer. Everything is disassociation. So when people want to move themselves, you don't want to go all in on what the issue is

and the right thing about it. In my opinion, that's very interesting to take the whatever the cultural milieu and then go reverse engineer your type of content. I wonder because it wasn't longer ago, it was only three and a half years ago, where you weren't selling out every show. Yeah, where you were known, but not the sort of size of platform that you have now. And I'm fascinated by people who are kind of

on a trajectory from not super famous to getting pretty fucking famous. What have you learned about, what's changed? Like what about the perils of fame or the challenges that you've- Famous? I'm not saying I'm famous, but having some level of like fame is-

No, variety. Yeah, it is, what I love about it is people trust your kindness. And I'm genuinely like a kind person. Like I can be nice to somebody and they don't think I want something from them. Because I'm probably the more famous person in that interaction. So when I walk in a restaurant

and I'm nice to like the host or the waiter, they're going holy shit, this guy that I watch all his comedy, he's like really like a nice guy. As opposed to because he wants a free coach. They want to take him all the way into the night. They want a better seat. Like I'm not using kindness as a weapon or tool to extract anything from you. I'm just giving you kindness. So it's allowed me to be like the person

who I always want to be. I grew up in New York, which is like, we don't trust kindness. Like if you were nice to me and I don't know you, I think you want something from me. Cause that's how people do it in New York, right? They come up to, hey man, how's your day? Do you have a little moment for the climate?

And it's like, oh, you would, you use niceness to get money out of me. So it's great for a guy like me. I didn't grow up in a small town where everybody's nice to one another. I grew up in a town where kindness is specifically used as a tool to manipulate and remove money.

That is the goal of kindness in New York. That's why in New York, we were like roasty with one another because that's how I know that you're safe. You know what I'm saying? Why would it be the case that someone who didn't roast back wouldn't be safe? Because they would be overplaying the nice hand in an attempt to try and get-

We're not even roast back, like if the first thing you do is you make fun of an environment, you do something like that. You walk into my store or something like that, and you're like, you know, I don't know, I'm trying to think, like you walk into your store

and it's like, you know, someone just robbed this place or whatever, some fucking joke, you're insulting the store. Now the guy on some level is going, okay, he's insulting me, that's bad, but at the same time, he's not trying to manipulate me. That's also good. I can trust this guy's intentions potentially.

That might not be the best example, but one of the coolest things about having fame is just being able to be nice to people and then like appreciating also And this is a Nor Mcdonald line, but I grew this completely. It's like you get the best version of people like People come up to you with a smile. They come up to you happy. They come up to you excited like you're getting like this Awesome treatment from people you're most people walk around the streets, they're upset, they're stressed about something, they gotta go somewhere, they're in a rush,

they got no time for anybody, they're bumping into. Most of the interactions I get to have is people going, hey, I love what you do. You're really proud of this thing, I love what you do. And my specific type of like, I hate using these types of words, but like notoriety, is like they know me for being myself. I'm not playing Superman. Gladiator, some shit. Yeah but like notoriety is like they know me for being myself. I'm not playing

Superman gladiator of some shit. Yeah, like where you really like Superman, you know like me You like the character I'm crazy like now. This is me. These are the things I think the things I feel so you appreciate That is so fulfilling so it is it is awesome and I'm not at that level I guess where it ruins your life But I also think that's a choice like I'm not gonna name names, but like, I have people I see roam around with like fucking hundred security guards and shit, and all of a sudden I'm just like, I've been with people who have security guards

and nobody recognizes them, they just recognize me. I think you're overplaying the situation. Now, I don't want to jinx myself, so it comes up a rosemary or something, but... Have you considered what happens if you overshoot, fam? What does overshoot mean? So there's an article called 13 Reasons Not To Get Famous by Tim Ferris.

He wrote it, probably about six or seven years ago, and it's one of the fucking best things that I've ever read. Most people in the world are below the level of fame that they would like to get to. Even you, maybe. Even you would like as someone that's got a pretty big platform to continue to accumulate more notoriety andiety. I never think about fame. Ah, not for its own sake, but it comes as a byproduct of doing more things.

Success. Right, yes. Great. It would be unlikely for you to say, I'm prepared to stop doing what I'm doing because I now have too much fame. That might be a better way to frame it. Like, you would stop doing the podcast because if you accumulate one more subscriber, that would be one too many that may know you.

That the byproduct of what you're doing would cause you discomfort with fame. So my point being that almost everybody in the world has less fame or notoriety than they would be comfortable with having. You don't know that threshold until you pass it. And you can't stop it. You can't stop it once it happens. And Tim Ferriss is one of these guys

who blasted through this ceiling. And he uses these 13 reasons. And this guy camps up outside of the house that he's living in, maybe in Austin, a long time ago now, and lives outside on his front lawn for like two weeks, because he's adamant that Tim is sending him secret messages in his podcast saying he wants to be in a relationship with him. And Tim has to check into every hotel that he goes on holiday with under a pseudonym, under a fake name,

because people find out they call all of the hotels in the area, not able to upload family photos when he's been going away, and all sorts of stuff. He never puts photos of his friends and the people that he's with and all this sort of shit. Like, he never does any of that. And he says, these are some of the prices that you pay in order to get the level of fame, I think he had maybe like a 700 million to one billion person audience, like the number of, not obviously individual people, but the number of exposures. And he was like, million to one odds happen eight times a day in

New York. If you have an audience of, let's say, 100 million people, let's say there's a hundred million people that know you are and know what you do. 1% of the world's psychopaths of that 1% let's say that 1% of them have sufficient motivation to come and do something and like 1% of them have got fucking, you're like, you're still left with a pretty significant cohort of people that when you broaden out the amount of people that know you, I was on it Jim in Austin.

And some dude came in with this sort of, scraggly, shuffly looking guy out of his car with this hand-written fucking ring binder thing. Put it down, said, I need to speak to Orbrae Marcus, owner of on it, so you have on it. They were like, he didn't, like he didn't work, he'd, no, he'd just sell the company to you

and leave it like six months ago, but like he's not here, it doesn't live and work in here. It's not working in here. Yeah. And he's like, okay, I'll wait in the car. And they were like, no, you don't understand. Like, he's not here, he's not coming here.

He's like, I need to speak to Aubrey, I need to give him this. My point being that when you start, Aubrey's audience is like, you know, comparable with the size of mine. Yeah, yeah, the, the, the, first of all, I couldn't pick Tim Ferris out of a lineup to save my wife's life.

I have no fucking clue what that guy looks like. I don't think that he has an issue walking around at all. I can't believe that at all. That's not to say that people don't know him, but I just know fucking clue what he looks like. I know who he is, the five hour work week guy or whatever, you know. One of those, just when it checked that,

one of the reasons for that is he's significantly backed off his public persona over the last decade. Gotcha. He added a show on Discovery or something. Yeah, I bought his book too. I got the perfect example of what you said though, you want everybody to know your name and nobody to know your face if you want to maximize your... Yeah, I mean, it depends, but then you don't get that amazing treatment.

Precisely correct. And then they can't trust the kindness that you give them and that kind of stuff. So, I think with Tim Ferris, the problem is you have to figure out like what lane you're in. If you're in self-help, you're going to attract the people that need the most help. A guy willing to camp out on your fucking lawn needs a lot of help. So I'm not surprised that the self-help people get the weirdest, craziest fucking followers that do all the weird, crazy shit. I'm a comedian. I like making sane people laugh. That is the fun thing for me, right?

And I like poking fun at absolutely everybody. I'm not saying I don't say I'm some fucking important guy. I don't even go say comedy's important. I say treat us with the least level of respect. The lesser respect you have for us, the better. There's so many comics who out there like, we're the modern day philosophers. I'm sure I've said this on some fucking podcast, then I'm a modern day and I regret ever saying it. I regret ever giving any kind of importance to comedy, because then you can't say anything. You can't say we're the modern day philosophers. We're the ones putting the truth out there in the world. We're the ones changing the world. We're the ones holding the mirror up to the fucking powerful people. And then on the same level go, why are they canceling us for what we say?

You said you're important. You said you're changing the world. Well, if I was someone in power, I'd sure as one of silenced those mother fuckers that are saying the real shit. If you're that important, say we're not important at all. And we could say what the fuck we want. I value saying what the fuck I want. So treat me like a clown. I don't give a fuck.

I wonder if that's part of the problem that Brian had, which is he's been, he's done serious stuff. He's done serious stuff. Or, and then when you want to get out of jail free card, I was just making a joke. Like, it's very difficult to do that. Yeah, man. I'd be very interested to try to.

Yeah, with Ferris, I don't know. Don't get me wrong, it gets a level. Like I see what certain like one to my friends have to go through that is like very fucking difficult. And it's not only difficult in regards like how your life is because like listen, I, you know, my wife will get fucking insulted and that kind of stuff on the line. And like when you, when you have a wife and you have children,

you're subjecting your family, they shit too. You know, I was talking to Patrick Beddave on the podcast and I was like, would you run for governor? He's like, no, I wouldn't subject my family just for governor. He was for president and for Mike being worth it. But for governor now. He's making a value judgment between what's the price

that I pay versus what's the return that I get. 100%. Yeah, it'll be interesting, man. I mean, one of the problems that you definitely do have is you've got friends for whom you were, I think about to say it, that it affects the people around them. Like if you want to go out for dinner with Joe, it's like, we need to pre-vette the place that we're going.

He needs to have this guys. It needs to be a closed-up room because it's just gonna be, being being throughout the entire night. So how do you maintain your normalcy in that? I'm like, I'm so lucky. Everything I do is collaborative. And it's one of the things I realize in life.

I love, I love doing things with the people that I cherish. I love spending time to camaraderie. It's all about everything that I do. I know when I'm up on stage, I'm just beating me by myself, right? But if you even notice how I do stand up, I'm like curious about the people there as well. Like I'm interactive with them,

even with the jokes that I've like pre-written and these pieces, I'm still like, there's this conversation because I like being with people and I like creating with people, right? Those are the things I like. I don't want it just to be me. I like having this group and we solve these problems together for me.

That is the most awesome thing. Like I even look at the movies that I love. Like Ocean's Eleven is just like to me the best movie because it's 11 misfits that come together to solve this impossible problem, right? Like this is a metaphor for our lives. So one of the things I like about that is that I'm coming up like Dove, who is my manager, producer partner, I, my first friend in college.

Jamil, who met out there, is my best friend, some 13 years old, right? Like I cost my first friend in comedy. Like all these people that are part of the team and Mark and Miles went to college together. Like all these people are part of the team and the part of these people that we enjoy hanging out and working together because that is the most fun for me. And it also maintains a level of normalcy. If you're isolated, you're by yourself.

You're the only one doing this. The bigger this thing gets, who's your boy who's just making funny? Who's your boy that's just going to keep you humble? Who's your boy that's going to let you know what Who's your boy that's gonna let you know what you're doing is absolutely great and you can trust that. Is there something special about you being a member of the team or an inside person that's a part of the project as opposed to it just being a friend

that you have that's been with you the whole time? Well, I also have those guys. You know, I also have. Is there something extra that you get from the guys that you work with? I like getting money with my boys. I'm be honest with you. That makes me happy. Like, that's cool. And on the come up together. Yeah like getting money with my boys. I'm be honest with you, that makes me happy.

Like, on the come up together. Yeah, like, because these are things we talked about. Like I remember when Jamil was working over at TripAdvisor, I was like, one day we're gonna do the ads together for the pot and then for live them out like I'm dude When me and Dover and college we almost did a radio show together. How crazy is this now he is Managing basically radio a fucking radio you know, like all these things we planned yeah, and then we're executing that to me It's fun like seeing your friends buy some expensive shit from the money you guys made together, seeing your friends like treat their fucking wives, right?

You buy something? He's got a very, very, very fast BMW back in the UK. In that fire? Fucking unreal man. Isn't that cool? One of the fucking coolest things that's happened since doing the show is the ability to like liberate good other people that have come along with me.

Like the first year that we did this show, he made 50 pounds, probably in ad sense. We've split YouTube down the middle since we very, very first started. He worked for worse than free, whatever worse than free is, for like two and a half years, and then fucking by year four he's got pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, pwaa, I'm like, that's fucking go. That's, I mean to me, that's just the most beautiful thing. Let me give you the other one. Let me give you the second thing that for me. So that's one of them.

For a long time when you're doing a show, especially mine, where the come-up's been like pretty gradual, like took a long time to get to anything and now it's really taking off, you're like slipstreaming the clout of everybody else, right? I'm holding on to the coattails of Douglas Murray on Jordan Piedeson, you know, fucking whoever, right? Yeah.

And then after a little bit of time, you get sufficient momentum that you realize that you can be that springboard for other people. Yeah, you got a clap. And you're like, oh, holy fuck, I get to go and find some underground hero that is way more brilliant than the amount of people that know about them, and then give them a platform,

and they fucking away they go. Luis Perry wrote this amazing book called The Case Against the Sexual Revolution. I release an episode and so does Tringenometry and it goes to number one on Amazon. Like because she's brilliant. And we happen to have the platform that was able to display her brilliance.

Absolutely. And it's just rinse and repeat. Now that's fucking cool. Oh, it's awesome. I fucking love doing that. Especially if you really admire those people, you really love them or they deserve a fair shot. It's great using your platform in that way.

A hundred percent, I agree with you. And that's what I admire so much about Joe, to be honest. It's like, yeah, Joe's this shit, man. He's literally, he is, is cool. Even if you're a fan, as cool as you think he is, you don't really understand what he did. Because like, when he puts a guy like me on his podcast, that could bomb.

You know how many comics he'll put on? And I'm sure the episodes don't do as well, but he's doing it because those people are hilarious and he feels that people should see them. Most people when they get power, they don't like to give it away. Like, George is on some like, I mean, that Joe's on some like George Washington's shit.

Like, it's crazy to be president and be like, I got to stop this. You know what I mean? Like I got to give power back to the people. That's a weird thing to fucking do. Marcus Arraileus, philosopher king shit. Low key. Low key. So it's like, yeah, it's just a benevolent, a benevolent king is the rarest one.

And we got it, and we got to appreciate it while's it's here because it's not always gonna be here Because usually what the thing inside people that makes them want to get power is the thing that will make them not want to relinquish any of it Correct. Yeah, I mean you're totally right. I never even thought of it But there could be another world in which the biggest podcaster in the world also happened to be a total cunt Like will be the case Most likely at some point after Joe retires forever. Yeah. Like this is the anomaly.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I honestly, it's so and that's so that's kind of like everybody has your north stars like my father's my north star in like most situations like I'm just like what would he do? Like how would he treat the people around him? How would he empower them? How would he do? Like, how would he treat the people around him? How would he empower them? How would he do that shit?

And I look at other people that also do that. And I'm like, you know, he's a great example, especially in the entertainment business about how you could put people on. And how you could put people on it, and that doesn't hurt you. That just makes you that much better. Like, Loki, I look at Drake like that too.

Like Drake gave so many people features and then made them famous because of those features. That didn't make Drake any less, but what it did do is made every one of those artists so grateful of Drake. So now Anytime Drake needs anything there there anybody says anything about Drake. They're like now fuck you. That guy made me a millionaire. That guy my mom a house. Yeah, like he didn't have to, simply because he loved my art. How he's done his career, how Joe's done. It's also no fucking, yeah, it's not surprising at all

that you look at the people that are at the top of their careers or like their top of their industries and they're operating in a kind of similar way, which is, who like, I'm just saying Drake and, and really, like, yes. Pointing out these people who are far less famous and successful than them, and then giving them the platform to be successful. Drake will go on your song.

He's not even saying, be on my shit. He's going, I'm going on your shit. You know what I mean? Like, that's crazy. Like, I asked Joe, I was like, you know, will you be the first guest on a pod? He's like, absolutely. Yeah.

And you never want to ask somebody, you know, is that busy. But it was one of those things where it's like, we also want to kind of honor him a little bit. You know what I mean? It's like, I think it's- Like, right. Like, yeah, man, you're so instrumental in even making this. So that's the thing. I think that's why I also, there's so many people

that will defend Joe no matter what anybody says about him. This was the interesting thing that I realized around a bunch of the different controversies that happened over the last year with him. What happens usually when the press brings up a particular news story as they say, this is the tip of the iceberg that shows this particular person is the homophobic racist, transphobic, misogynistic piece of shit that we've always said that they were. Now, the problem with Joe for the press was even a casual fan has listened to like 200 to 500 hours.

And there's people that have listened to multiple thousands of hours. And they go, you're telling us that this is the tip of the iceberg. I've seen the whole iceberg. I know that there's nothing down there. Exactly. So for you to besmirch and like smear this person's name by claiming you know something I don't, I don't think you do. Yeah. for you to besmirch and like smear this person's name by claiming you know something I don't,

I don't think you do. Yeah, yeah. That's what was so, I think what is so good, it's such a good protectionist strategy, and it's not a strategy, but it's just a byproduct of talking for hundreds and hundreds of hours every single year. Like look, if I fucking genuinely didn't like black people,

it would be out there by now. People would know. How fucking good of an actor do you think I am? Yeah. To be able to hold this non-racist persona for like fucking thousands and thousands of hours. Yeah. And the craziest thing is he's vegan.

That's the thing a lot of people don't know. Like that elk shit is a lie. Beyond elk. It's beyond elk. He's a very strict vegan. Like strict vegan and can't use a crossbow for shit. I was like, you know, show me how to do that bow and arrow shit. Tiny full skin.

Dude, can't crossbow. Those are the things you got to attack him for. Those are the, every one of those is CGI. The crossbow shit, CGI. Like, he uses, he takes a scooter to work, like a razor scooter to work. He's just doing like every single day when you that's I don't know why they don't attack him for that. They always come for these old videos and that kind of stuff. But you got a vegan on a razor

scooter that can't even use a cross-brow. You know, like that's the thing that you should probably write a New York Times article about, you know, isn't that crazy? Like when you go, you know how you've done the pod and he's just like, you know, mashing down beyond burgers like he's like, this is soy. Like, you know how you've done the pod and he's just like, you know, mashing down beyond burgers like, he's like, this is soy. Like, you know how he tries to rub soy on your tits right before every pod? Like, that's, that's my favorite part of the world. You've got to wipe it off the microphone before you get. Yeah.

Yeah. Fucking dude, I, uh, now he's a fucking man, dude. I think it's very scary what happens if, if and when he, like, bows out and somebody else comes through. Same thing happened in LA. Like like look at the LA comedy scene. When he was at the helm of LA comedy scene, everybody was helping each other out. It was this like beautiful camaraderie that was happening. What's it like now?

Well, one, you know, not as many people going out to the shows. And that's reasonable because you have the most famous person on the planet that's gonna go to the comedy clubs every single week. So naturally, you're gonna have people come out there. But, but yeah, just, uh, it doesn't feel like there's that same energy, that same excitement, that same camaraderie that was there. And I think naturally things can get a little bit more competitive. People are organizing who's the next king, who's the next person?

What's the deal? There's a power vacuum. So there's a power grab happening. Of course. And, uh, but yeah, man, it's like, yeah, that potentially can happen. You've got to hope that a guy like that has instilled enough values in people that even if they are these kind of psychopaths,

they see that the way to success is through altruism, kindness, support. And you've left behind this tradition almost. Yeah. So even though they're using it, they're doing those things for the wrong reason, like it's like even though they just being a Christian so they could get to heaven,

at least they're being a Christian. Pascal's wager again. Yes, exactly. Yes, you got it right. Pavel loves wager. Pavel loves wager, I was talking about. All right, so think about for me, we're talking about this sort of change of

status and noteworthy for you and You mentioned earlier on that you and your new wife are now starting to try for kids. Yep, right? comedians are used to being Graphors, right? You do all of these shows and you've got this podcast and you do this stuff online and all the rest of it Are you is there a tension between the amount of work that you want to do and how much you're used to doing? Mm-hmm. And the fact that that's got you a particular level of success. Mm-hmm.

And the fact that moving forward, you're not going to be able to serve yourself in the same sort of selfish way anymore. You're now going to have to let go of some of the strategies that got you to where you are if you want to become the husband and father and family builder that you want to be. 100%. Yeah, you have to. That's why for me, it's like, I want to learn how to be like a business man. Like, I'm good at making money, but that's not because I'm ever chasing money. It says

I'm chasing greatness. And I'm good at recognizing talent. Like the guys that fucking work with me, all those guys are guy, they have superstars. And it's like, but I want to learn how to run a business so that I can create free time. Because right now I'm the bottleneck for all my time. Right. So it's like, but what if I learned how to do it like a real business man would do it or brought in somebody, you know, that could teach me how to run it so I can create more pockets of time for myself because to me, yeah, that will be the most important thing,

you know, obviously starting a family. And wanting to make time, spend time with them specifically and like, honestly, go through those life changes and see how that's reflected in the work as well. I'm excited for that. I'm done talking about the same shit I've already said. Not doing dad jokes.

Yeah, I can't wait for dad jokes. I can't wait to talk about family. Because the people who listen to me are also going through that. They're also having families, right? They're also married. They're also experiencing these things. I like evolving with them.

I don't want to be like a clothing brand that's still trying to sell shit to 16 year olds and you're 55. Like fuck that. I want to grow with them. And I want those 16 year olds that listen to go like, oh shit, that's what's going to be like. It comes along for the ride.

I listen to fucking Chris Rock when he was probably in his, I mean, I don't know how old he is, but like I know I was a teen and I'm listening to this older guy talk about relationships and that kind of stuff that I wasn't exactly relating to but I recognize how funny he was. So I think that's there, but yeah man, to me that's, that is the greatest honor, you know,

like building that family and trying to instill some cool values in a kid. I have a friend who has made a good bit of money throughout his 20s off the back of really, really great products and courses that he released online. He's got this new girlfriend and he's all fucking smitten with her and they've been together maybe a year or so now. We went out for dinner not long ago. We were just chatting about where he's at.

And the journey he's got to to get himself to the level of success he's at now. And he was like, you know what it is, man? I realized that most of my twenties were spending setting me up to be the dad that I want to be for my future kids. That's cool. I was like, that's fucking dope.

Yeah. So fucking cool. And you realize that, you know, the strife and the challenges and the overcoming this and the learning and all of that, you know, it's nice to give it away to people and they resonate with you and you're like, that's fucking brilliant. But imagine if I synthesized it down and focused it on like fucking three tiny little humans that had my genetics. 100%.

That's fucking cool. That's awesome. Yeah, I think that's the ultimate success. Like I think that's the ultimate thing that Like, I think that's the ultimate thing that I'll be defined as, you know, for me at least. I've been very fortunate that like, I've achieved, there's like one more goal I have in standup. And then I've checked off.

You say what it is? Yeah, I just want to sell it mass and square run. How many people's that? There's different ways to do it. But I think in the center, and I have to make sure that's the best show. That's like 18,000, and then if off to the side, it's like 12,000. So it was like, it was one of these things where like, for the last tour, I was like, do we do it for the last tour?

Because we did Radio City that's just 6,000, but we did that twice. So that's 12,000. Like, alright, maybe we could have done that and check it off, but then there's also the big boy. There's 18, maybe you want to get that. So that's the last goal. That's not to say that I'm going to stop. I think I'll have plenty new goals, but of those older ones, that's the one where I'm like, okay, I still want to,

I still want to check that off. But it's funny, like success will make you value completely different things, man. Like, I don't know, I was like, I would look for inspiration in terms of, I look for inspiration in terms of, I look for inspiration in terms of the things that like, man is created, like I went out there and I was, looking at the pyramids, I look at Rome,

I look at Paris, I look at Tokyo, I was going around to all the greatest creations that, you know, man is responsible for, right? And I'm like, oh, this is really inspiring. And then I was out in like Utah and I looked at, you know what time has created? You know what I mean? Like you see a fucking canyon that was created

over a hundred million years. And one, it's like absolutely beautiful, but two of puts things in perspective, like how short a time we have here and like what we're gonna do with this time. I think that's why like bus David Goggins balls a little bit. It's like, okay, you spend your time running.

That's awesome. But like, how do I want to spend my time? Do I want to spend it creating? Yes, I love creating. Do I want to spend it developing this relationship and this partnership with my wife? Yes, I want to do that. Do I want to raise these kids and I want to experience things with these kids and through these kids and hopefully prepare them for the world, which is fucking terrifying. Like the fuck do I know about the world, you know?

I know about some stand-up comedy. I'm not gonna have the right thing to say when they're having a tough issue at school. Do I call my dad and ask the right thing to say? Is there a book I can read? You know, that's another thing. It's like, how do I want to process my time here? And I think that's what I'm thinking about. And it's very likely I'll get to like a dollar amount where I just, where I might, I don't know, I might stop everything. I might get to a dollar amount.

I'm like, okay, that's it. I'm done with everything. I'm just gonna focus on my kids and enjoy the fuck I life in my kids and travel with my wife and make sure I experience every little thing. I want to make sure she gets experience, every little thing in the world that she wants to. That's completely possible.

Or I might do that and then realize, wow, I really love creating its fulfilling and like having these conversations is like so important to me. And I'm not doing it for money because I have enough money to say, fuck you. I'm doing it just because I truly love it. Like, yeah, we'll have to cross that bridge when we get there. But I want to at the end of the day, be like, I got the most out of this fucking time. Like, if I get 100 years on this planet,

I wanna feel at the end of it. I was like, I was like, yep, I did that right. I had some fucking dessert. I ate some bread, not too much. I did enough running and exercise, stayed healthy. You know, I was a hell of a fucking husband. You know, I was, I hope to God, you know, I was a hell of a fucking husband, you know, I was I hope to God You know as if I could be half as good a dad to my kids my dad was to me that would be out of the incredible

Good son like that Yeah, that type of shit is is where I'll define Define myself and hopefully get to a point where I'm not trying to keep myself busy and distracted and more at peace with all this great stuff that's happening. You know what I mean? When it comes to the business side of stuff, it's interesting to think about what you're building here and Tom Segera as well and your mom's house is like a really fucking good example.

He's brilliant brilliant man. Yeah. It's a miniature production studio. Yeah. It's like it's a genuine production studio. And given the fact that recently you already, what was new media streaming, took back control from something that already felt like new media. So like new new media is just streaming is new.

And then there's another one from that, which is like, no, fuck you. This is mine now. This is independent creation, direct to customer, direct to consumer. What, what do you think, because obviously you've got the inside of Hollywood thing, you were back over in the UK doing some acting, I think at some point not too long ago. Yeah. So if that's the case, you're straddling both sides, right? You're seeing still the old world. Yeah. And you're also slap-bang sides, right? You're seeing still the old world. And you're also slapping in the middle of the new world. Yeah.

What's your predictions for the next five to 10 years? So for me, it's like, I like the institutions that are, I don't want to like create a new streaming platform. That's not my goal. Like, we'll use the platforms that exist already. I want to focus on creating things and whether they live on YouTube or they live on Netflix or Amazon or any of these places or movie theaters. That's awesome.

But I just want to make sure I'm doing the most of creating. We had to build out a business apparatus in order to execute the dreams because we didn't have the opportunity on these traditional channels. So I had to put out the business hat that I didn't really necessarily want to, but I had to because I want to find a way to solve problems and get what I want. But I think in the future at least for me, I really want to make a film. That's why I'm doing this acting stuff now. So I can like see what the process is, you know, and it's like, but I really want to make a film because I'm really obsessed with story. And I think story is the like the key to information. Like the truest way that we digest and hold information and heard him and said a really interesting thing. I was like, you know, tell me about story. Like what's going on with story? And he goes,

uh, he goes, here, I don't know what the fuck it is about stories, but, um, even when I quote people, I make them sound dumber. Uh, but I don't know what the fuck it is, but I'm just a doctor, right? But no, no, but he goes, when somebody's telling a story, their heart rate, no, sorry, the people who are listening, their heart rates all change at the same time. And I was like, oh, there it is. And that's like stories, stories are like music. Like the reaction is music, right? And it's like, you can capture attention,

you can convey information. Like the greatest politicians answer every question with the story, right? It was, you know, love and her hate. I'm like Bill Clinton when he answers the question, it's always, oh, you know, one time in South Carolina we are doing this and then climate change. And then, well, that was awesome.

I'll never forget that, right? So it's like, one, how do we tell a story, and really master the art of that? And two, how do we use the tools from a story to really execute the things that I feel, the guys feel, the things that we can come across? Yeah. I thought when I first started the show,

because I was part of the productivity space, at least in the very first instance. And I was pretty adamant that the way to make a good podcast was to ruthlessly index information as succinctly as possible. And what I wanted was you, Andrew Cuban, me, host, me, dissect brain, take information, give it to audience. And over time, I've realized that you're a vibe architect.

Like your job is to architect a vibe for people. And it's not about ruthlessly getting information out there. Maybe they'll take some stuff away. But there is absolutely no chance that someone isn't going to be able to remember the short girl going around the corner of the supermarket and seeing like this like fucking little bitch with the tall guy in the front. Like, what does that tell you? Oh, well, maybe you'll remember intracexual competition or some other stuff. But if you convey that through a story,

it hits so much harder and it took me so long to realize that. Because it's kind of scary. It feels almost like a lowball effort or like, I don't know, like, basic or I don't know. I just didn't have faith in stories. Yeah. And it's only been within the last, probably 18 months where I've gone, oh, we need to lean into this more.

It's biological. It's, I don't know why anybody goes away, that I've gone away through it as well. I'm like, what is the point that I'm trying to do? Even with jokes, you're like, here's premise and here's the punchline executed. It's like, how is this, how can we turn this into, you know, a story?

I mean, there was this bit in my special, I do this abortion bit. And it was basically three different bits that I turned into a story. I mean, there was this bit in my special, I do this abortion bit. And it was basically three different bits that I turned into a story. And the most fascinating thing that about it is that when I'm telling it, I believe that that happened. Like, it didn't happen like that.

These are three individual things that I thought were funny. And then I blend them to story. And I can even convince myself that this happened. Like as I'm telling it, I'm remembering being at a specific street and seeing a specific person that did not happen. If I can do that with me, imagine what a story can do with somebody else, right?

So it's like, yeah, I would love to tell. Yeah, I wanna make a film, man. I wanna make a film, yeah, I want to make a film, man. I want to make a film. Yeah, maybe we'll start with one, but then others. And I think right now it's the time for a rate at our film. And to answer your initial question, like how we're gonna straddle that, like new media and new media,

is I think that if you're gonna make anything transformative, you have to do it independently. And then once you prove the product, it's worth it for those people who are worried about losing their jobs to take that chance. It's not initially. And that's why you'll never make a rated R comedy. What's rated R? Like rated R is like, it goes PG-13, rated, it goes G's like cartoons, PG-13 is you got to be 13 and buy a ticket and then rated R is you got to be I think like 18 to buy a ticket to answer so it's adult content Okay, I think they hangovers probably rated R like the the funnier commies and

But there hasn't been a rated R comedy that was hilarious and probably two decades. It's kind of crazy Even think about maybe 15 years like if we if we literally think back like what was that hilarious movie? I saw recently think back like what was that hilarious movie I saw recently? I don't know. Like think about that. This is like, that's crazy. So and the reason is what I was telling you before, right? It's just like people are worried about losing their jobs. And it's not that pot Hollywood has necessarily this like huge liberal

slant. It's just when you're worried about getting fired, you're liberal. When you're worried about getting fired, you are accepting, right? You walk in your boss and he's like, fucking a dog. You're just like, love is love, well, you know what I mean? Like, cause what if God forbid,

you said something about that and then your boss was like, get the fuck outta here, you're fired. So everybody just leans into that direction. Now granted, it's California, people are more labeled, but it's more of like self-preservation than anything else. I genuinely feel that way.

It's like, how can I not lose my fucking job? The way you don't lose your job is if we prove that this movie can make a quarter billion dollars without you, and then everybody else out there is going, get on that. You need to get on that. Get on that fucking movie. Rory Sutherland, one of my friend's

smartest behavioral economist in the world, he said, people would much sooner fail with a safe strategy than succeed with a risky one. So it's not their business. Oh yeah, because no one is ever, what was the fucking analogy? Nobody was ever fired for using JP Morgan. Like, but people do get fired for using this brand new bank that's maybe

amazing, but maybe not. It's like you will always take the safe option. I'm not a person. Speaking of dog fucking, I saw this fucking Florida man sexually abused dog wreaked havoc at nearby church and attempted to steal a car in a wild action packed outing, police say. Around 4.30 p.mpm police received a call about a man who would allegedly cause quite a disturbance in Clearwater neighborhood. According to Witnesses, 36-year-old Chad Mason of Orlando was taking a friend's gold and doodle for a walk in an apartment complex that afternoon when he suddenly began having sex with the dog in full view of the public including at least one child. When an adult confronted him about the act of beastiality,

Mason ran off and took refuge in the local Presbyterian church. He wreaked more havoc. Witnesses said he opended an activity set. Several potted plants carving it, approximately $400 worth of damage. After he left the church, Mason reportedly ran to a nearby neighborhood where he destroyed a mailbox and attempted to steal a car. Clearwater police took him into custody. Mason bonded out of jail and is scheduled to appear in court some time later this month.

The current condition and whereabouts of the Golden Doodle have not been reported. You know it's really important. Fucking Florida man. That Florida is how we cure racism. Alaboring. Because no matter what race someone is when they do something crazy in Florida, nobody thinks it's the racist fault. They're like, oh, that's Florida.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like, if that was any other race, and they went like, Asian man or whatever, all the races that hate Asians would be like, see, that's how they act, that's how they act, right? But with Florida, we just are prejudice towards the whole state. So now we just see them all as equal.

Like anybody can be equally crazy as long as they're from Florida. It's kind of beautiful. Florida is not really a part of America, right? It's like, you've got Alaska, Hawaii, and Florida, and no one really thinks about them as being. That's actually kind of interesting what you're saying with when you mention those three places,

because they're all versions of America for people who aren't from there, except for Alaska. But like Hawaii is Asian people's version of America. And Miami specifically is Latin America's version of America. So it's not America, but it is. And Hawaii, when you're in there, you're like, it's America, kinda, but it's a little Asian about it. You're not like, yeah, this is how home is, right? There's like a little part away from

that looks like that, but it's not the whole city. And I think that's when you were talking even earlier about your experience in Miami, when you look at the, when you look at like what made Miami and the culture that defined Miami, you're talking about a lot of people that are leaving in povers places. And when you come from no money and get money, you want to show it off. Yeah. And oftentimes those places that they're coming from that are in povers, a woman's value

is her looks. So to seem the most valuable or rich, she's gonna accentuate those as much as you can. I saw my first BBL in Miami. It's like a fucking optical illusion. It's like two basketballs on an upturn baseball back. It's like pretty fucking awful. It's like a bag of cats.

Yeah, yeah. Give bag of cats like fucking sloppping around all over the place. It's not the best, but I understand like where they're coming from and why they're doing that. You went to Miami briefly. Yeah, I loved it. But didn't stay. No.

Presumably. Too happy. Too happy. Yeah. What's that mean? Couldn't write any jokes. And I don't need to be miserable or depressed to write jokes, but there was nothing for me to push back against. Like, when my version of Miami wasn't like the douchey one

that you saw, and I just saw that recently, I was there for our Basel and it was fucking miserable. Like, it was the worst aspects of Miami squeezed into one weekend. But what I was seeing, which is the things I love about Latin culture, which is like a love of family, a love of celebration and like partying. And it's like, what am I upset about here?

Like, I love when the girl with fucking purple armpit hair is complaining about some shit outside of a library. I like pushing back against that, right? In Miami, what am I pushing back against? They want to hang out with their family, love each other, dance and listen to music. Like, what is annoying about that? Nothing. I'm like, enjoy your fucking fan.

We need some family time. We need to enjoy life Regardless of we have money or we don't have money and we need to have a little party and celebration So it was it was a that was tricky, but everything else about life there was just phenomenal You're just getting vitamin D every single fucking day. It was just so yeah, they're parts of my ended I absolutely fucking love man love love But I don't know if I could live there full time to enjoy it all for this time of my life. Andrew Schultz, ladies and gentlemen,

dude, I really appreciate the fuck out of you. Thank you so much, my brother. I appreciate you, man. Where should people go? And what can they expect from you soon? What have you got coming up next? Any cool shit? Yeah, you can check out the podcast.

I got some movies coming out this year. So that would be pretty cool. If I don't get cut out of them, that'd be awesome. And then, yeah, we're gonna, the podcast flag flagrant I do really need this for Charlemagne. I got my stand up specials on YouTube right now it's called Infamous. Go check that out and then some cool shit in the future that I won't say exactly just right now but yeah keep in touch. Appreciate you man.

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