Modern Wisdom - #579 - Peter Diamandis - The Mindset Secrets Of Elite Performers

Episode Date: January 21, 2023

Peter Diamandis is an engineer, physician, founder of the X Prize Foundation and cofounder of Singularity University. If you got rid of Elon Musk's money, or Steve Jobs' factories, they would likely still end up in a successful place because of their mindset. Peter has incubated some of the fastest growing and most innovative CEOs, businesses and performers and developed a number of rules around how to optimise your mental state. Expect to learn the practises that Peter teaches his students to maximise their mindset's effectiveness, the most important principles of developing a big vision for life, how to overcome negativity and limiting beliefs, whether Peter believes humans are going to be able to live to 120 soon, what's happening with space tourism and much more... Sponsors: Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with your first box at https://www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Get 10% discount on your first month from BetterHelp at https://betterhelp.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 20% discount on House Of Macadamias’ nuts at https://houseofmacadamias.com/modernwisdom (use code MW20) Extra Stuff: Check out Peter's website - https://www.diamandis.com/ Follow Peter on Twitter - https://twitter.com/PeterDiamandis  Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello friends, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Peter Diamandis, he's an engineer, physician, founder of the Ex-Prize Foundation and co-founder of Singularity University. If you got rid of Elon Musk's money, or Steve Jobs' factories, they would likely still end up in a successful place because of their mindset. Peter has incubated some of the fastest growing and most innovative CEOs, businesses and performers, and developed a number of rules around how to optimize your mental state as well.

Expect to learn the practices that Peter teaches his students to maximise their mindset effectiveness, the most important principles of developing a big vision for life, how to overcome negativity and limiting beliefs, whether Peter believes humans are going to be able to live up to 120 years old soon, what's happening with space tourism, and much more. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Peter Diamandis. We were talking just before, I asked all of the guests to count to 5 so that I can sound check the recording to make sure that everything's working okay. And you counted down from five. Am I right in thinking that there was a period in the past and it may still be the same now

where they missed the word five in a countdown because five sounded too much like fire when it was missiles, so they would go seven, six, four, three, two, one, fire. You know, I think that's a great myth to start. Is it bullshit? Am I talking out of my ass? I think if people knew they to expect a 5 after a 6 they'd hear a 5 and not a fire. And then probably waiting for launch versus fire. Anyway, yeah, but I am a space cadet and counting down to zero to ignition is a lot more

fun than counting up because you count up, it's forever. You get to infinity eventually. Yeah, well, that's the interesting thing when you think about, is it Bill Ackman? He's that guy that does loads of short selling, right? Yes. Yeah. The reverse is, if you're a short seller, you have a limited amount of money that you can make. If you're going long, then the sky is the limit depending on what the

company is. And the bottom is the limit too. That's also true. You do have the limited amount of money that you could lose. Okay, so you have a very eclectic history when it comes to the things that you've done. It's a nice way to put it, sure. Yes, yeah. Meandering would be another way, perhaps. How would you describe your background? Someone says, so tell me your story. How did you get to the point that you're at? What's the elevator pitch? The elevator pitch, both parents born in Greece on the island of Lesvos, came here.

I was born in New York, expected to become a physician. I was born in the 60s and two things happened in the 60s. Number one was the Apollo program and the Apollo program showed us what was possible today. And then there was that scientific documentary called Star Trek that showed us where the, you know, where humanity was going. And between Apollo and Star Trek, I got the space bug very, very hard. And my parents wanted me to become a doctor. And I said, yes, mom, yes, dad, I'm going to be an astronaut. And I ended up pursuing both. So went to MIT, really studying molecular genetics pre-med. But a nights and weekends, in the afternoon, I was doing aerospace

engineering, went to Harvard from medical school, promised to complete medical school, you know, got my diploma, sent to my mom, my dad. I went back to MIT, did aerospace engineering, and throughout all of that, I was an entrepreneur, and I realized for me that I loved starting stuff. I loved creating companies. I thought I think of companies as the means by which you can impact the world. Entrepreneurship, entrepreneurs are individuals that find big juicy problems and solve them. And my first group ever was a college nonprofit called SEDS due to this exploration development of space. It grew into an international organization met Jeff Bezos through that.

He was the president of the Princeton chapter and then started a space university, international space university, and then went on to start a company called ZeroG that does weightless parabolic flights and then the first ex-price for private space flight. And so I was a space cadet for the first 20 years, really pursuing a space at a rocket company, a satellite company.

And that was the first 20 years of my entrepreneurial life. I then read a book by Ray Kurzweil called The Singularity is Near, and damn if it didn't make a right hand turn in my life. So, Ray's a dear friend, he's a mentor, he's a collaborator, we started companies together, and Ray wrote this book and talked about how exponential technologies, computation, sensors, networks, AI, robotics, 3D printing, AR, VR, blockchain, and nanotechnology, how all of these technologies are going to literally transform everything. And it really just massively turned me on

as to the future, and I made a shift from space to really how do you use these exponential technologies to take on the world's biggest problems. X-Prize went from a single prize for private spaceflight to a prize on solving the world's biggest problems. Ray and I co-founded Singularity University that was really how do you, you you know teaching entrepreneurs and leaders how to impact billion person problems and That was my next you know 10 15 years and then the last decade I'm still continuing those things. I'm not as involved in space

I'll go back to space But only when I've got a few hundred million dollars in my pocket that I can really invest in this Because space is not a poor man's game. But the last decade has been really focused on longevity, on health span. How do you add 10, 20, 30 healthy years on your life? So very briefly, I've started about six or seven health and biotech companies have a half a billion dollar venture fund that's involved investing in two thirds in biotech and longevity, one third in exponential tech, written a number of books. And that in four minutes or less is a very quick summary.

What do all of those projects have in common? My passions. I am driven. I am a passion driven individual. I do not do anything unless it's what wakes me up at, you know, 530 in the morning. So my passion of, it's grand challenges. It's like there is no problem we cannot solve, right? We can open the space frontier.

The space frontier is the ultimate destiny of humanity. Whatever we evolved to a thousand years from now, we're going to look back at this moment in time when the human race moved off the planet reversibly. Exponential technology is solving billion-person problems. I believe there is no problem we cannot solve. I really fundamentally believe that. We have the ability to uplift every man, woman, and child on the planet. And that we will. Technology is the force that takes whatever was scarce and makes it abundant. We can talk plenty of examples there. And then the biggest challenge is in the biggest benefit, there is no greater benefit than

given someone decades of healthy lifespan. There was a study done at Harvard, London School of Business and Oxford that said, if you add one healthy year to the global population, it's worth $38 trillion dollars the global economy. It's worth $38 trillion that global economy. It's massive. So that stuff is all driven by what I teach something called finding your massive transformative purpose, your MTP. And I teach it to all the CEOs. I mentor, I run an abundance 360 program, which is a year-round program for 360 entrepreneurs, CEOs, and about 2500 entrepreneurs

online. Anyway, finding your MTP that wakes you up and keeps you going, because all this stuff is hard. It's really hard. And unless it's driven by an emotional energy that's your calling in life, you're going to give up before you get there. That needs to be a reason for you to put it with it being hard. It's going to be difficult. Things are going to get to get in the way. And purpose, meaning a sense of existential connection between you and what you're doing is a significantly better motivator than a jokka-willing motivational

video or some loud rock music or enough caffeine or just grit and determination or whatever it is that you end up relying on. I love the idea of using, are you fired up when you wake up in the morning as the proxy for are you doing something that you care about because it's the easiest heuristic. When you wake up on a morning are you excited about the day that you have in front of you? Or even if the day is going to start, even if it's back-to-back meetings and whatever else, is it still cool?

Is it still fun? What you're doing? Do you feel like you're connected to it? 100%. And it's, I think, if you don't have that in your life, your job is to find it. don't have that in your life. Your job is to find it. Right? That's ultimately what every person can have. And I think the technologies that are coming online today are able to help you because they can augment you. You may not have had the education in school

to pursue the dream that you want, but you can use eventually an AI co-pilot to enable you to do that. We're gonna move towards a world in which the stuff that is dull, dangerous, or dirty that people don't wanna do will be done by robots and by AI algorithms and so forth. But those who truly want to be creatives, want to be entrepreneurs, want to have a dream. What did you want to do as a kid before the world told you you couldn't do it?

I mean, that's truly magical. Chris, you and I are lucky. We are doing what we love. A lot of parts of the world, they don't have that luxury. They're doing what's possible to put food on their table or get insurance for their family. And we're going to be transforming that. That's part of the process of uplifting humanity. So you're hoping that through technology you can liberate people from doing things that they have to do to allowing them to do things that they want to do? Yeah, and so one of the concepts I wrote my first book with Stephen Kotler in 2012 called Bundit. Good friend, good reading really cool guy.

Yeah, he's brilliant. The book is called Abundance, The Future is Better Than You Think. I had written about me when I was running the X Prize Foundation and you get a wired and a GQ article. I remember thinking, this guy writes really well. I love his writing. I called him up and I said, well, you give me writing lessons. I took writing lessons from Stephen and then I said, I really want to do a book one these days.

So I called him up. I was at singularity universities in our second year. And the idea of abundance, that there's nothing truly scarce in the world. What do I mean by that? People talk about water wars and water scarcity. But the reality is, there's water everywhere. We live on a water planet, right?

We're a blue green planet. Two-thirds of our surface is covered by water. The challenge is 97.5% is salt. 2% is isomy, fight over a half a percent of the fresh water on the planet. But water's there. It's just not in the usable form. And technology, we're getting ready to launch a $100 million energy-efficient desalination prize.

We did an atmospheric water extraction prize to pull water out of the atmosphere. There are technologies that can make water abundant everywhere. Energy, we used to kill whales on the ocean to get whale oil, to light our nights to read. Then we ravaged mountain sides for coal. Then we drilled kilometers into the ocean for oil and natural gas. But the earth is covered in 8,000 times more energy from the sun than we consume as a species. The energy is there just not in a usable form. And so we see this over and over and over again. And the idea is technology takes what's scarce and turns it into abundance over and over again, right? Abundant access information on Google, abundant communication

on our cellular networks. And so I don't think there's anything truly scarce. And part of my mission is to help people see that abundance mindset. Michael Malice is a cultural commentator, podcaster, writer. He's just released a book called The White Pill. And I sat down with him to talk about that this week. He is railing at the moment against a culture of cynicism

as he calls it, people that tell you that this isn't going to get better, it can't get better, things have always been this way, the bad people are always going to win. Now, he's done it in a slightly different way. He describes in gruesome detail for 300 pages, all of the worst crimes of Soviet era Russia, of the Ukraine, what happened in Romania, famine, prisons, gulags, abuse, nepotism, everything. And then he rounds out the book by saying, and look what happened, the bad people didn't win in the end, the Berlin Wall fell essentially overnight. And he continues to load up many, many more examples like that. And yet, there is still a pervasive culture of cynicism, I think.

There is. I have some, I have a, I know who does it. What do you mean? Who causes that? It's the news media. It's, it's, what I call the crisis news network, you know, CNN or I don't know, good acronym for Fox. So the reality is our brains evolved to look for bad news, right?

Because 100,000 years ago a squiggle on the ground was in a stick. It was a snake or a rustling leaves wasn't, you know, the wind. It was a, you know, a lion. You were dead if you missed that. So we evolved an ancient piece of our temporal lobe of our brain called the amygdala, which is the first place of all of our sensory input, eyes, ears, touch, and so forth go,

and your amygdala puts you in red alert if it senses any potential danger. And because of that, we pay 10 times more attention to negative news and positive news. And because what's, we pay 10 times more attention to negative news and positive news. And because what's the news media's business, it's to deliver their advertisers to our eyeballs. And so we pay 10 times more attention to negative news and positive news. And so that's what they feed us. Constantly, we see every murder in our living room over and over and over and over again, every

cook at politician, every problem on the planet. And I'm not saying it isn't true. I'm saying it is disproportionately tend to one negative. There's so many amazing things going on in the world that we never hear about, never see. And so I, you could not pay me enough money to watch the news. It's strange when you look at social media and it seems like a state reinforcement, a mainstream media reinforcement army that is packed with gullible volunteers, people who choose to self-generate their own cynical stories and put them out there. Now the first mover may have been originally that mainstream media was that I have an amazing study that I think you'll love.

So the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, 2012 Boston Marathon. There was a study done that compared two cohorts of people. The first cohort were runners who were in the actual race, and the second cohort were people who had consumed six or more hours of news media about the race. The people that consumed the six or more hours of news media showed greater signs of PTSD and emotional trauma than the ones who were literally there and actually involved. Yeah, I mean, so listen, if you're listening to this, consider buying back 10, 20 hours of your week by shutting off the TV, don't read the newspaper. Set a few Google alerts for the things that are important to you.

If something's really going on in the world you need to know about, believe me, your friends will tell you, take back control. Do not let some editor and some use room who's showing you every murder over and over again with this dystopian mindset. Roon your day. So one of the things I teach, right? And I'm really passionate about this, is your mindset is everything, right? So I teach this at a button of 360. I have programs going on right now for free to help coach people on mindsets. If I said to you, what was the most important thing in making Steve Jobs and Elon Musk and you know, Mahatma Gandhi, whoever your leader that you think is amazing? What made them successful? Was it the money they had, the technology they had, the network they had, or was it their

mindset? What was the most important thing? I think most people would agree it's their mindset. You take away everything, but you retain their mindset. They would regain some level of their success. If your mindset is the most important thing you have, what mindset do you have? Where did you get it from? What mindset do you want?

And how are you going to shape it? Most of us get a mindset that we inherit from our parents, that we inherit from the people we hang out with, but we don't take the time to shape our active mindset. And I think this is a real challenge. You know, so what I teach is I focus in on five mindsets, an abundance mindset, which shifts everything. If you see abundance everywhere versus scarcity,

you're much more likely to be partnering with people and giving away and getting return, an exponential mindset, understanding how fast exponential tech is moving and understanding that we can transform an entire industry, not in 20 years or 10 years, but in five years. I focus on a longevity mindset that we're going to be able to add 10, 20, 30 healthy years in our lives. And during that time, science is doing more to extend our life beyond that.

And it's worth investing in your health today to be able to get ready for those extensions. And then a moonshot mindset where you really give yourself permission to go 10 times bigger where everyone else is going 10 percent. And finally, a curiosity mindset, which feeds all of these things. So I think your mindset, I guard my mindset. I guard it by what I watch, what I read, who I hang out with. And I think it's one of the most important things for entrepreneurs today. When it comes to applying this, to actually doing something in terms of practices, it's

all well and good talking about mindset. You know, just see the abundance in your life. Stop watching the media. These are ingrained habits. Not only are these ingrained habits, they're ingrained habits that are largely invisible to us. I know if there's a cookie there, I can observe my hand go toward it and the cookie go toward my mouth and eat it and then feel ashamed about myself, right? Whereas when it comes to mindset, it's so much more ephemeral and wishy-washy and invisible to us. It doesn't galvanize us in the same sort of a way. Someone listens, they say, abundance mindset sounds fantastic.

I want to step up. I want to make a change. What are the steps that make the biggest difference? Yeah. So, here's an interesting way to think about it. Unless you've been living under a rock, you've been seeing the rise of GPT-3 and chat GPT and all of these neural net AI systems. And so it turns out that our brain is a neural net, right? And the same way that you train an AI, an AI neural net, you show it in a very famous

example. As Google did, you show it cat video after cat video after cat video and it begins to recognize what a cat is. And it's showing in a neural net data sets and those data sets train the neural net. And our brain is a neural net. So if you are watching, I'll use my favorite example again, if you're watching the crisis news network over and over and over again, your brain is going to be wired in a sense of PTSD. It's going to be wired of all of this to expect negativeism. You're gonna see something and it'll scare you.

Even though it may not be scary, right? You hear the rustle in the leaves and it's the wind, but you think it's someone with a sniper rifle. And so it's training your neural net by what you read, what you watch and who you hang out with, right? It's all the data you're letting in. It's how do you train yourself?

And depending on how your neural net is trained, again, the podcast you listen to, like we are here, and it's when you have an opportunity, a conversation, you can color it negative or positive. And that is a default mechanism based upon your mindsets. So I actually have a 30-day mindset bootcamp that's free. You can Google 30-day mindset bootcamp or go to dmandis.com. You can find it there. And it's step by step by step. My job when I'm teaching this is to give you undeniable overwhelming evidence of the extraordinary world and how it's getting better and better and better on every single level

to counter the dystopian news. And then to recommend to you, read books, listen to podcasts, take in information that is going to shape your mind. So when I was starting the international spacial university, I'll never forget my co-founder Todd Hawley were in the same room at a desk opposite each other. And as a joke, he put up Murphy's Law behind him.

And so facing my desk and Murphy's Law is if anything can go wrong at will. And I'm like, I hate that. I kept on just like just take it down, and he wouldn't just to bug me. And so I had a whiteboard, I hate that. I kept on just like just take it down and he wouldn't just to bug me. And so I had a whiteboard, I put on it, if anything can go wrong, fix it to hell with Murphy, right? And that's a flip of that mindset. And then I ended up creating 32 different Peter's laws in that, you know, when giving a choice, take both, start the top and work your way up. But

it's about shifting the way you think. It's a judo move, so to speak. Reagan, when he came into power and he was told that the Soviet era is going to continue, this is the way that the world is now. You're going to have this permanent sort of armament war ever escalating nuclear threat. This is the way we need to learn to work around this. And he said, I have another idea. Some may call my plan simple or even simplistic. We win, they lose. That was his plan.

And that's the same as writing on the boards. I think. Yeah, good. Good on him. So what you've mentioned here is that you can provide people with relatively undeniable proof about the reduction in climate associated deaths, the increase in child mortality, the increase in what? The decrease in child mortality. Yes, sorry.

Et cetera, et cetera. Yes. Somebody that has imbibed a sufficiently cynical mindset will be able to say, well, yeah, that's for them. That's for out there. That's for everybody else. Me, life doesn't seem to work out that way. I have a x, y, z, reason,

y, that is not the case. What about someone who has fortified themselves inside of a helpless victim mindset or scarcity inside themselves? I think ultimately anybody can can will themselves to death and can will themselves into that mindset if they so choose. I think you have to get up and go to where it's better, meaning hang out with people who see the world differently than you. The old adage, you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with.

If you're overweight, hang out with skinny people. If you're at a shape, hang out with people who are in shape and good shape. Right. If you think the world is going to hell in the hand basket, if you can, find people who think the world is amazing and that it's the most extraordinary time ever to be alive and get into those conversations. Now, you have to be motivated to do that. And something is to kick you in the pants.

And maybe you'll be hitting rock bottom, maybe you'll be your husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, your parents, whatever the case might be. But it is possible. And I mean, I wrote abundance for that purpose and, you know, it's the story behind abundance where we look at going from scarcity to abundance in every area, food, water, and G-Healthcare education learning. The story has gotten incredibly stronger in the last 11 years on every level.

You know, the only place it's been a challenge has been in the environment and even then there is a extraordinary tsunami of technologies coming to support that change in that repair. When it comes to your current pet obsession of longevity and health, yes. I think we both agree that human life has kind of already been a little overclocked, that we are living to ages now that are pretty much unprecedented. Our bodies largely don't know what to do. When they get to these sorts of ages that we weren't designed to live to 1890, you know, having centered genarians, having people that live over a hundred You know, having centered genarians, having people that live over a hundred is insane. It's absolutely insane.

So given that, what hope have we got that we can continue to extend something which has already been overclocked? So, great question. I'll give you a couple of thoughts there. And you're right. Our bodies were never really designed to live past age 30. I'll use that number. You know, 100,000 years ago, early hominids would begin puberty at age 12, 13. And by the time you were 13 or 14, you were pregnant. But time you were 26, 27, 28, you were a grandparent.

And before food was abundant everywhere, before McDonald's and whole foods existed. The last thing you wanted to do if you wanted to perpetuate the species was to take food out of the mouths of your grandchildren. And so you die. And there was never any selective pressure after reproduction to keep us alive longer. So, very true. Our average human lifespan was late 20s and then 100 years ago was late 30s

into 40 and then is grown now to call it a- So, where it was 100 years ago, it was 30 into 40s? It was late 30s into early 40s, yes. Have you got any idea what happens if you take deaths under five out of that equation? It goes up. Yeah. There's no question.

It was the average lifespan. But what increased it substantially was better sanitation, antibiotics, better calories, and all of that. So that's the first point in terms of the second point is there are species on this planet of boheid whales that live 200 years, greenland sharks that live for 500 years. And I remember when I was a medical school, I asked the question, if they could live that long, why can't we? And I said, it's either a hardware problem or a software problem.

And I am clear that it's this decade that we're going to understand the root cause of that. So, just because we were never engineered to live past our reproductive age, does not mean that the systems could not be engineered to do that. And so the work that I'm doing right now, that I'm funding through my fund, that we are working on through X Prize and through some of my companies and supporting some of the top thinkers, like George Church and David Sinclair is really around the notion of how do we get consistently to 100 to 120? And then can we in fact actually get further? Can we get to 150 years old? And so I don't think the answer is impossible.

I think we're going to get there. I think AI is going to enable us to understand the 3.2 billion letters and what is going on there. I think quantum technologies that are coming online and in this decade is going to be the big push. It's going to help us understand what's going on, the model, the human life form in great detail. The other thing to note that super interesting is, we have 3.2 billion letters from our mother and from our father. And that genome is set when you're born.

And it's the same exact genome when you're 20, when you're 40, when you're 40, when you're 80, when you're 100. So, if you've got the same instruction set, why do you look different? Well, it's not your genome. It's what genes are on and what genes are off. It's your epigenome. It's the control of that symphony of genes.

And as we grow older, we accumulate some amount of DNA damage, true. But what goes awry is the silencing of genes and the wrong genes are on, the wrong genes are off. And so, the work that's exciting right now is in epigenetic reprogramming. Can we set back the clock? And so in animal models and in human cellular models, we've been able to do that. So I for one, I'm doing everything I can to remain in the best possible shape and backing the research to move that forward, because I think we can add healthy decades on to our life. And those healthy decades will bias additional decades

of breakthrough in science and technology to add more decades into our life. That concept is called longevity escape velocity and we'll see. I think up until this decade, for every generation that you were born, you gained about an extra eight years on average. I think, yeah, the number has been a quarter of a year

per year. We've seen some setbacks in the COVID years, these last two years. And I'll be interesting to see post COVID, do we retain, do we return to that situation? Let's say that we didn't inject any new gene editing, crisper, you know, how would you say like power law advances. What do you think is the, I'm using the word very loosely, not real, or real limit. Yeah. So listen, we have, we know from history that the very rare,

oldest lived individuals are 120, 121, 122, 123, I think is the longest, accurately documented living individual. Then we have super centenarians who are, get to 105 years old. Now, the difference between normal individuals and super centenarians is the difference between health span and lifespan.

So you can be alive at 100 brainless in a wheelchair drooling, or you can be alive at 100 playing golf, having going to work every day, having being a sharp, contributing individual, and that's health span versus lifespan. And in super centenarians, normal individuals will have a health

span till 65 and then a slow decrease from 65 to 80 and then die. Super centenarian, you know, say, 15 years of ailments, aches, pains, in and out of the hospital, not feeling well, not enjoying life, forced into retirement. Super centenarians may have 95 years of great health, and then they fall off a cliff of two years of illness and then die. So the goal is extend health span as long as possible. And you know, that's great. And I think that is possible with exercise, with sleep, with diet, with mindset, with not dying from something stupid. So I'll give you a few examples there, because I think they're important. I'm diet. I'm in the middle right now every year with my abundance 360

group. I do a 22 day no sugar challenge. And so we're on a WhatsApp group is 150 of us right now on this. And we share what we're eating and doing. And for 22 days, you it's no carbs, no sugar, no high glycemic. and it's night and day going through a group along with that. But it turns out in diet, if there's one thing you want to do, it's eliminate high glycemic index foods and in particular sugar. Sugar is a poison for the body.

It's a neuro toxin, it's a cardiovascular toxin, and it's just, we never evolved, right? Sugar cane was not part of our diet a thousand or a hundred thousand years ago. And so it's an inflammatory. So that's diet and it's simplest. You know, I have a Mediterranean diet. I do get enough protein to try and keep up muscle.

Second thing exercise, I think muscle mass is one of the most important elements in the body. It has the highest correlation to longevity. So I will try and get my 7,000, minimum, 10,000 target steps in a day and then try and get in two, three workouts a week. Sleep, I'm clear eight hours of sleep is my target every day. I used to be proud of getting five hours when I was in medical school. Now I'm proud of when I hit eight hours on my ororing. That's eight hours tracked, so probably closer to eight and a half, nine hours in bed, is that right? It is. I'm typically in bed at nine and 30 and up at 5.36 the latest.

I know. So what do your sleep efficiency must be very high if that's the case? It is. It is. I do get, I fall asleep very easily. I'm lucky in that regard. So, but, you know, there's a whole bunch of hacks on sleep. I use an eye mask that I love. I'm meant to eye mask. I have a cooling blanket.

I set the temperature outside at 65 degrees. I don't eat within the last couple of hours of going to sleep. And there's all basic stuff. There's a great book called Why Why We Sleep, which is amazing. And then, not dying from something stupid is very important. It's jokingly about it, but very few of us know it's actually going on inside our body. Like if I said to you, do you know that there's nothing going on inside your body that you need to know, that you don't know about, that you're concerned about? You say, I feel fine. But here's the fact, the body is incredibly good at hiding problems.

Like, you don't go to the doctor with pains and aches and so forth until it's a stage 3 or stage 4 cancer. If you have Parkinson's, the tremors don't show up until 70% of the neurons are gone. And so I built a company called Fountain Life. It's operational in four centers right now and we're growing to 20 centers around the world. And we do, in fact, I'm going tonight, or tomorrow I'm going to Naples, Florida, where our lead center is for my annual upload. And so I'll go there. It's about five hours.

It's a full body MRI. Head to toe, a brain imaging, brain blood flow. I do a coronary CT using an AI overlay looking for soft plaque. Not calcified plaque, soft plaque is what can kill you. A dexascane genomics, a grail cancer test. Anyway, it's 150 gigabytes of data. And after that scan, I'm clear about what's going on in every nook and cranny in my body. And I've been doing this now for eight years, and I have a baseline and I'm looking for any variation.

And someday, something's gonna happen, it's gonna show up. But I will have caught it at stage zero or stage one when it's the best chance of doing something about it. How frequently are you doing this? Once a year, and then the Fountain Life program, it's just FountainLife.com, is a once a year upload then a quarterly follow-up blood test. And it's really, it's the fiduciary for your health.

And then part of fountain life is the most advanced diagnostics. And in their half, it's the most advanced therapeutic. So we are looking around the world for any breakthroughs, any new science, any new technologies that extend the health span of the individual. We make that available to fountain life centers. So I like to say, listen, you know more about what's going on inside your car than you do your body.

And so if you can afford it, it's not cheap. It's 20K a year. But you get a concierge doctor along with it. One thing we did do last year to make it more available is we launched a Fountain Health Insurance. And Fountain Health is companies of 50 employees or more. For the same price you're paying for your current health insurance for your employees, Fountain Health gives all the testing for free.

Our mission is to find the disease in the beginning where it's cheap to handle versus at the end where it's expensive. I've heard you say it's not healthcare, it's sickness care. It is, it's ridiculous, right? So like, I hate the fact that health insurance pays you after you're sick, life insurance pays you an extra kid after you're dead, right? Fire insurance pays you after you're sick. Life insurance pays you an extra kid after you're dead, right?

Fire insurance pays you after your house burned down. It's perverse. Yeah. Speaking of some, how do you say, progressive treatments. I'm going to Columbia in a month's time to get some stem cell treatments over there. What have been your experiences so far? I haven't done the country of Columbia?

Yes, correct. Okay, the versus Columbia University. Yeah, it's, it, it, of Columbia University. Ah, yeah. I'm going down to Medellin. What should I expect? What have your experience been with it? So let's talk about stem cells a second. And unfortunately stem cell treatments, exogenous stem cells stem cells from a newborn placental or cord blood stem cells are not legally administriable in the United States. They have not been approved by the FDA. So I'm going to mediate in here. Right. And so we send people to typically a facility in Costa Rica. They're in Colombia. They're in Mexico. They're in Panama. And so listen, our bodies when we're born have stem cells in every tissue.

And those stem cells are the regenerative and imperative engines of those tissues, right? So stem cells in your skin are replenishing skin stem cells in your muscle, in your brain, in your kidney, in your liver, in your fat is replenishing those organs and tissues. And the problem is, again, because we were never evolved to live past age 30, as we grow older, the stem cell populations reduced by 100 fold or a thousand fold. And the question is, can you supplement them? Can you rejuvenate and regenerate the stem cell populations? And so, I have, believe it or not, my first stem cell treatments coming up this spring.

I've been doing exosomes, which are the information packets that stem cells put out. But the other thing I'm doing is I'm extracting my own stem cells, fat stem cells and bone marrow stem cells and storing them for future infusion. So I have thousands of friends who have gone through this and I think people have everything from I didn't notice anything to it was amazing. I'm renewed and rejuvenated. So it's something which is not consistent for everybody. I think stem cells typically traffic to areas where there's damage and you need repair, whether it's joints or muscles.

I think we're going to discover a lot about stem cells, but there are one of the 100 to 1000 X reduction in stem cells is one of the hallmarks of aging, and I think it is possible to rejuvenate that. When it comes to your suite of tools that you're using in order to extend longevity, diet, sleep, exercise. Don't do anything stupid mindset.

Yeah. Why are you not bringing up sunlight or heat or cold exposure? Why does that not factor in as primary for you? It does. So I do a cold shower every morning. I do a hot shower first and then I'll turn on the freezing and I'll glass as long as I can. I just don't have a cold plant set the freezing and I'll glass as long as I can. I just don't have a cold plunge set up, but I love it.

And so on as a great, they're an important part. I just need to pull it in to my current living environment, which I have not done yet. But where I can do it, I definitely do that. There's a whole bunch of different supplements and meds that I do take. I don't want to be, you know, practice medicine. I can say what I do, right? I take about a gram of metformin every day, right, which reduces blood glucose levels. I supplement my testosterone to bring it up to optimal levels.

I'm taking 6 grams, my milligrams of rapamycin right now, and then a whole slew of supplements. And again, I think on my DMandis.com, there's all of my longevity protocols, everything I'm doing accessible there. What it comes to your use of supplementation in terms of TRT, I have read and heard a number of concerns around higher testosterone levels being associated with lower longevity. Is that a concern for you that therapeutic levels of TRT are potentially lowering lifespan? I haven't, I have not seen that, that science, and I'm not, I'm basically supplementing to get to normal rates, I'm not looking to get to super normal rates. And there's, you know, it's interesting, the level of complexity of the human body and our biochemistry and our

cellular chemistry is extraordinary. And one of the things that is coming is finally the amount of data science that can look at everything. Look at all, so we have this 150 gigabytes of data that we get about all of our members that go through a bunch of 360, we know what they're taking, we know what their complaints are, we know everything. And what will fall out of all that data is correlations.

Like for this genetic situation, for these supplements, and it's still the early days, but the decade ahead is going to be amazing. That's the longevity escape velocity that you're talking about. Stick about keep your health as good as it can be because at some point in the future we're going to be able to add more than a year for every year that you stay alive. One of the things that I was interested looking at your approach to diet, which is quite plant heavy, which is quite Mediterranean, how do you square the circle of the paleo and carnivore community being so popular and having so many people that extoll it as a virtue with your view of leaning heavily on plants and have actually a quite heavy reduction in

red meat. So I eat as much fish as I can. I eat as many eggs as I can. So I do believe in a high protein intake, but also a high plant intake. I stay away from red meats. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy some bacon once in a while or some pork once in a while. There's an old Greek saying, my dad used to say, upon methenonodistan, which is everything in moderation. So I lean heavily, I attack vegetables, right, and put on olive oil and everything that I can possibly put olive oil on.

Like a good Greek, man. Yeah, good Greek, yes. And I will, if I have any choice, I'll be eating salmon wherever I can and three or four eggs in a day. So, you know, and then the reality is all diets are not made for everybody. Your ethnic background does affect what diets write for you. And I think the other thing that we're discovering right now is your microbiome is placed such a huge role in everything.

Again, it's every time we learn about something in the microbiome, like, oh my God, where did that come from? That's crazy. And it's, we're collecting data. I'm doing what, in summary, I think gives me the best shot at, I feel like I'm in better shape and have more energy and more, you know, desire to, you know, to go out there and make my Dent universe

than I ever had. And that's great. And my goal is, I'm 61. Can I keep it going for the next 30 years? Intercept of 30 years of technology change, and I'll be blown away if that we're not adding another 30 years during that time. I know that your user of athletic grains,

I have been for a very long time as well, is that you're going to lean over and pull out. There it is, there it is, travel packs. So one of the things that I had read, again, this is coming out of the paleo-conn of our community, is a concern of overconsumption of leafy greens, which is what my favorite vegetable, if I could dial it in all the time, would be spinach. Yeah, I'm green. It's just great. But oxalates, is that what I mean? Yeah.

And athletic greens and stuff, which is hyper condensed, very potent delivery of this sort of stuff. How concerned should I be about oxalates? Can I tell all of my friends that have prodded me about it that they need to go away? If I had any true knowledge, I would give it to you, but I don't. So best to not say anything. I'll look into it, but I love the product and it sort of gets me through my early morning fasting. The bottom line is, and I think that you use this as a good heuristic, how do you feel? You feel better.

And I've just had this morning, my first full blood panel done by Marik Health, which meant that I had to stay off anything that's got biotin, because that can sometimes skew the results. I didn't even know what biotin was, but I haven't used athletic greens for probably, in fact, I didn't use it because I was at home and I run out in the UK, I haven't musn't have used it for two weeks. I don't feel as good.

My digestion doesn't feel as good. I can tell that there's something just not quite right and then I had to do the thing today and as soon as I've got it out of the way, I can back on that. And it's the same as you eat some awful fast food, and motorway services. How do you feel after you've eaten it?

You probably know, as you know. Yeah, and you regret you ate it. Yeah, one of the things that's going on, it's one of the benefits of intermittent fasting and having something light and energy, dense and vibrant, is if it doesn't pull all of the blood out of your brain into your digestive tract, you know, so you feel slow and sluggish. One of the benefits, I remember the first time I ever started doing intermittent fasting

and wouldn't eat until like one o'clock, I was like bouncing off the walls with energy. I was like, that's crazy. Why do I have so much energy? And it's because my blood is not drawn to my digestive track if you have a heavy breakfast. And also your system is thinking, you need to be focused here. We might need to look around for an antelope

or we need to be on the lookout for a good bush. Absolutely. Yeah. It is very interesting, man. I've very much been enjoying taking a more, I'm such a bro, right? So my inception into the health and fitness world was playing a sport as a kid at a pretty high level until about the age of 18. And then as soon as I got to university, all that I wanted to do was look jacked. So for, and this was the advent,

the absolute cusp of the if it fits your macros movement, which is you can get shredded eating haribo and cheesecake as long as it hits the macronutrient profile that you need to. Micros, that's kind of lame, no one cares, that's the pussies. You don't need to care about sunlight, you don't need to care about, it was just the most transactional approach to health, right?

There's an optimized, you know, my aesthetic physique was, and that says a lot that you can look absolutely fantastic on the outside. Also, I mean, I was 20, whatever, in my 20s, which means you can probably do pretty much anything in your slogan. But now, you know, I'm 34, and I'm genuinely taking more care about this. I'm thinking like, how many steps am I getting in per day? Am I going for a little walk to reduce insulin sensitivity after each meal? How much sunlight am I getting exposed to? How much time am I spending in nature? Am I getting enough heat? Am I getting enough cold? What's my water content like? Not only is how much am I drinking but what is the quality of the

water that I'm getting like? We've got a reverse osmosis filter that's just arrived in the living room which I'm excited to start using. Bing, Bing, Bing, all the way down. Is that reverse as mostly to water as well? It is. What do you use? Do you use an aquatrue or something else? It's a system we put into the house, so.

Oh, you've plugged it right in. Well, yeah, yeah, that would be absolutely fantastic. My point being, I think mostly my age, the age that I was at, moved along with most of the developments. It feels to me like people have started talking about the things that I've started doing at the time when I needed to start doing them. Now that might just be as a byproduct that you start searching for those sorts of things. But certainly this pushed towards sunlight, heat, cold, a more holistic view of health,

you know, that is, you need to look good, but you need to actually operate well too. If you're crumbling on the inside but shining on the outside, it's not very useful. Yeah, for sure. And remember, this is the most extraordinary time ever to be alive. Only a time more exciting than now is tomorrow. And it's like you want to be look good, you know, think clearly, move well, be able to enjoy the life ahead. And one of my friends says you want a future that's bigger than your past. If you've got that, then you're going to live into that extraordinary future. If there was a bunch of headlines of things that you wish you could tell people to stop

taking or stop doing in service of their longevity, what are the biggest waste that don't move the needle that you wish people wouldn't focus on? I start with one, don't waste your time watching the news. Become selective on what you let into your mind. This is an extraordinary time. So guard what shapes your neural net the best. On the food side, it's get rid of sodas, fruit juices are insane, but it's sugary substances and carbs.

Can you reduce your glucose intake? I think I'm gonna done issue with diet drinks? You know, the phosphoric acid in diet drinks, so I just don't do so. Listen, I may do it at a Coke Zero once a year, but it's not like, you know, it really is about, it's not any one thing, but it's make a few small, don't try and do everything, make a few small changes in your life in these areas. I think sleep is one of the biggest changes people can make that changes everything because it fuels you. So it's nothing, there's no other stop doing that I would list.

Peter, do you mind this, ladies and gentlemen, if people want to keep up to date with the stuff that you do, where should they go? Yeah, sure. So my podcast is called Moonshots and Mindsets. And it's really a deep focus on all of these areas. I'm on Twitter and Instagram at PeterDiamandus. And then deamandus.com is all of my blogs and all of the tools and all the products that I provide folks. So listen, I'm on a mission to inspiring guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful, abundant

and compelling future. And that's what I love doing. And Chris, thank you very much for having me on the show today. Offends, get offends