Modern Wisdom - #582 - Zack Telander - TikTok Dancing Through The Apocalypse

Episode Date: January 28, 2023

Zack Telander is a weightlifter, coach & YouTuber. TikTok may be a colossal waste of time, but at least most people consider it to be harmless. A recently blog post made me think differently and today we look at the world's first digital weapon of mass-destruction through pleasure rather than pain. Expect to learn why Digital Dementia is a real phenomenon, how young girls are developing tourettes-like tics from watching videos, the dangers of atrophying focus through watching too much TikTok, why Grammarly and ChatGPT are no longer impartial, the awkwardness of vlogging a day in the life at Google when you get laid-off, whether calling a man bald is sexual harassment and much more... Sponsors: Get $100 off plus an extra 15% discount on Qualia Mind at https://neurohacker.com/modernwisdom (use code MW15) Get over 37% discount on all products site-wide from MyProtein at https://bit.ly/proteinwisdom (use code: MODERNWISDOM) Get 20% discount on House Of Macadamias’ nuts at https://houseofmacadamias.com/modernwisdom (use code MW20) Extra Stuff: Gurwinder’s article - https://gurwinder.substack.com/p/tiktok-may-be-a-chinese-bio-weapon Subscribe to Zack's YouTube Channel -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC94_fvLx7abZgs9LIkM7jxw  Get Zack's Program for $1 - https://www.patreon.com/zacktelander Follow Zack on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/coach_zt Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the show. My guest today is Zach Talanda. He's a weightlifter, coach, and a YouTuber. TikTok may be a colossal waste of time, but at least most people consider it to be harmless. A recent blog post made me think differently, and today we look at the world's first digital weapon of mass destruction through pleasure rather than pain. Expect to learn why digital dementia is a real phenomenon. How young girls are developing Tourette's like ticks from watching videos. The danger of atrophying focus through watching too much

TikTok, why Grammily and Chat GPT are no longer impartial. The awkwardness of vlogging a day in the life at Google when you get laid off, whether calling a man bald is sexual harassment, and much more. Always very fun to have Zach on. It means I can talk about whatever I want, and today it was this awesome new article

about TikTok from Gwinderbogel. You should go and check it out once you are done with this episode. Also, if you are new here or if you're a longtime listener, make sure that you've hit the subscribe button. It really does make a difference. It helps the show grow, which means that I can get bigger and bigger guests. And it makes me very happy. So go and press it. I thank you. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome...

Zach Talander. Music Zach Talender, welcome to the show. Happy to be back, man. Every time I'm back, you've improved so much. The show is going crazy. Thank you. Your show is exploding, dude. I have a bone to pick with you before we get into today's episode.

Okay. What's this for the people that are just listening? Zivia. What, how would you describe this? This would be a can of Zivia, wouldn't it? You know what I'm going to say to you, don't you? I've been drinking those since you've been gone. For the people that don't know, we live in separate houses on the same plot of land,

and I erroneously gave you the access code to my back door. No, you know, for a while I've been away. Our landlord gave it to us. Right, okay. You've been going into my house, my fridge. And you left me one Zivia. Yeah, yeah, you know, at least I left you one. You're a mother.

Okay, anyway, getting on TikTok. One of my very good friends, Gwinder, that's been on the show three or four times wrote a phenomenal article about TikTok and I want to go through it today with you So in a survey asking American and Chinese children what job they most wanted the top answer among Chinese kids was Astronaut and the top answer among American children was Influencer since answer among American children was influencer. Since 1970, the Western average IQ has been steadily falling at least in part due to ease of access to entertainment. So even if you're able to use

your brain, the goals that you work towards are more pointless. You're a TikTok user, right? Yeah. Yeah, like it's, the article's amazing and everyone should definitely give it a read. But I think there's different sections to this. And I think the top line actually, if I'm not mistaken, the most download it, the most successful app in history. And the reason it's most successful app in history is because of a multitude of different factors, but a lot of it is like this work to reward ratio and it's very slanted towards the reward.

The least amount of work you can do, the most dialed in algorithm to feed you as quickly as possible. And that is something that I didn't even know was happening to me when I downloaded TikTok, but I remember one night I stayed up until like 5.30 in the morning. And I was probably on it from two,

no, it was probably on it from like midnight to 5.30. And it felt like I didn't even do anything. That was like, and then I realized like, wait a minute, you can't go to sleep at 5.30 in the morning and be a regular human being.'t go to sleep at 5.30 in the morning and be a regular human being. That's strictly because of TikTok and so then I was able to mitigate that. Yeah.

So, this article from Gwinder, I'm going to go through a little bit of it now for the people that haven't read it. This will give you a nice overview. So previously, you would have gone to war with your enemies by using weapons of pain, right? You would have siege them war with your enemies by using weapons of pain, right? You would have siege them inside of their castle. You would have cut off the food supplies. You would have tortured people. You would have killed them with axes. But this is the first pleasure weapon of mass destruction rather than a pain weapon of mass destruction. It's using weaponizing,

commercializing, and leveraging pleasure to sedate people into the outcomes that it wants. The reason that TikTok is able to learn your preferences so fast is because the shortness of the videos allows it to iterate much more quickly. It's also supposedly using the front facing camera to detect facial expressions. You see that little bit? Yeah, that was, okay, so that one was the one

that really freaked me out. But there's a part of TikTok that, like there are these viral trends that happen where people scan their face on it, and then it like shows like an animal that they look like or the AI generation of what it is. I'm like, you realize we're just scanning our faces like to a perfect degree,

and then publishing it out on the internet, and like the AI can just continually use that. I mean, everyone's face is pretty much dialed in now. Wasn't there that there was that app age yourself, ageify or something? Yeah, when everyone made themselves a colder, that was maybe three or four years ago. And then somebody said, hey, don't do this because they're creating a database with your facial features. Yeah, TikTok is doing that every single day. So you can actually go on to TikTok's website and in the developer

tools on the backend, which is LinkedIn, Gwendo's article, it shows the different categories that it, this is already built in. This is already available for developers on TikTok. It's out there on, it's like TikTok.com slash features slash some other bullshit. Okay, so TikTok is able to learn preferences quickly because of how short the videos are. That's really interesting, right? Because, you know, you can iterate so fast through these different preferences. Act that this has included from being on TikTok, none of

which I knew about, include licking toilets, snorting suntan lotion, eating chicken cooked in Nyquil and stealing cars. One challenge known as devious licks encourages kids to vandalize property. I think that was actually toilets, while the blackout challenge in which kids are completely. No, devious licks. Devious lick, like, doing a lick is like doing like a vandalism thing. Oh, okay. So it wasn't the toilet thing. That's a total, that's a separate lick. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no including a little girl a few days ago. There is evidence that watching such content can cause mass psychogenic illness. Research has recently identified a new phenomenon where otherwise healthy young girls

who watched clips of Tourette sufferers developed Tourette's like ticks. Yeah, it goes on to talk about TikTok brain. Yeah, so I'm gonna get to that. Okay, okay, so move on to that because I feel like that is the, that's an insane term that like really is starting to mess with me.

People need to read this article and you're like, well look, this is the front end of the fun. Go, go, go. Okay, so although this is super dumb, right? You can have a short term level of insanity because it encourages you to cook chicken and nyquil or break a toilet seat and steal cars and get yourself in trouble. The problem is what it does to people over the long term. That's what you're getting to. There's a substantial body of

research showing a strong association between smartphone addiction, shrinkage of the brain's grey matter, and digital dementia, an umbrella term for the onset of anxiety and depression, and the deterioration of memory, attention span, self the onset of anxiety and depression, and the deterioration of memory, attention span, self-esteem, and impulse control, crucially the last of those increases the addiction, right? If the thing that you're using reduces your ability to control your impulses, then it is going to be more likely that you continue to do it. Because the videos are so short and require so little focus, many habitual TikTokers can already be found complaining on websites like Reddit

about their loss of mental ability, a phenomenon that's come to be known as TikTok Brain. Yes. TikTok's capacity to stupify people both acutely by encouraging idiotic behavior and chronically by atrophying the brain should prompt consideration of its potential use as a new kind of weapon, one that seeks to neutralize enemies not by inflicting pain and terror, but by inflicting pleasure. So there's a couple of things, like as someone who, I only open TikTok, like four-an-hour, and it's crazy how just like, it just powers into your brain, right?

And the algorithm is perfect. The interface is perfect. It covers the entire screen. It's this dumb down like just hops into my like monkey brain and just like, mm, okay. So what, at least I'm sitting here and talking to you about the implications of that and I have self control over it. Now imagine, like, I don't think a child could have this conversation. I don't think any kid is even thinking along these lines at all.

And that's what's really frightening to me. Man, like, I wish there was a way to display this. In fact, there are some people on TikTok who are talking about this thing. And you just swipe, you're like, wow, that's crazy. TikTok is a really fucked up place. Swipe, okay, now we gotta, you know, now we got a next video.

I swear to God, man, There was a creator on TikTok. He was like, we're not meant to be literally crying. I've been brought to tears from TikTok videos because it's like a really emotional video on someone's surviving cancer and hitting a home run and for their past away father and like, I'm crying. And then the next video is some just like meme compilation that is just completely meaningless.

And then into some, you know, chick dancing around and lip syncing like it's crazy. And the funniest thing is while this creator is saying this, he's like, you're not meant to consume stuff like this. I am consuming it like this. So the next one is just exact, you know, it's wild. Trying to defeat the system by using the system is always going to be a difficult challenge, right?

Right. And I think this kind of leads into the acceleration as a part of the article, which I know you're gonna get to. But it's funny. It's like, how do we fight this without influence? And how do you gain influence without being a part of the problem? That is ultimately what we're having to deal with. He offers like a real grassroots solution, but it's kind of like, I just, I don't know

how effective that's going to be. So the way that you can tell that this particular app has got serious problems is how closely the CCP, the country that owns one of the three golden board seats on a bite dance, which is the company that owns it, they have their own version, which is called doiyin. So the CCP has forbidden access of the app to Chinese kids. The Chinese equivalent called doiyin is a spinach version where kids don't see twerkers and toilet lickers but science experiments and educational videos. Also, it is only available to kids for 40 minutes per day and it cannot be accessed between

10pm and 6am. Like just that, just that alone should make us think, how is it that in America or in the West in general, because of our democratic roots, we are prepared to allow a platform to be proliferated. People can choose whatever they want to. You want to give people as much freedom as it is that they want. And yet the country that this comes from

is so concerned about the impact it has on young people that they have stopped use of it. Right. So this, this, you know, begs the question on, on my behalf is like the, you know, romanticizing the authoritarian government that is the CCP. And we can point to the CCP as being this shining star and like protecting its own citizens, but he even brings up in the article that they were doing the zero tolerance protocol on COVID and that was a complete failure. It's like a horrible place to be.

So I don't wanna be in the mindset of this massive pendulum swing to where it's like, all right, now we need the government to control everything. He says in the article, you've got a choice between the tyranny of dopamine or the tyranny of a despot. Ah, what a line, man. This is a, you know why this is a fantastic article?

It's got, it's a three-pronged attack. It talks about the algorithm. It talks about the effect on TikTok brain. And then it talks ultimately about control from one country to another. This reminds me of, I have it written down here in my notes. This reminds me of the famous Yuri Besmanov interviews. Did you ever see those? Yes.

The ideological subversion. And something I like to think about is the ship of Thesias. And I'm not entirely sure if that works with this. But it's essentially you're changing something so slowly that you can't, it's so gradual as it's as if it never changed at all. Like you don't really know. So we're taking these tiny, tiny steps. And maybe 10, maybe 20 years down the road, there will be substantial differences, but we would never have been able to tell as it happened. Going back to what's happening in China,

the creator of TikTok and CEO of Bite Dance, Zang Yimin was originally intending the content on TikTok for the Chinese version to be the same as it is in the UK and the US and stuff, which is popularity. As such, doyans started off much like TikTok is now with the content dominated by T-Ned just singing and dancing. In April 2018, however, the CCP began action against Zan citing their platforming of improper content. This is anti-communist

values, etc. Zan then took to social media to offer a groveling public apology stating our products took the wrong path and content appeared that was in commensurate with socialist core values. Liberal capitalism is about making people work in order to obtain pleasurable things, and for decades it's been moving towards shortening the delay between the desire and gratification because that's what consumers want. This is why TikTok could prove such a devastating geopolitical weapon. Slowly but steadily, it could turn the West's youth into perpetually distracted dopamine junkies ill-equipped to maintain

the civilization built by their ancestors. In this way, not only does the West fall, but the entire concept of Western liberalism is defeated by the CCP, which paves the way for them as well. If TikTok is not a murder weapon, then it is a suicide weapon. China has given the West the means to kill itself, but the death wish is wholly the West. After all, TikTok dominated our culture as a result of free market forces, the very thing that we live by. They're correct that the West being controlled by everyone means it's controlled by no one, and without breaks or a steering wheel, we're at the market

to mercy. The CCP may be right about the illness, but they're wrong about the cure. Democracies are vulnerable because there's no one controlling their advancement, but autocracies are vulnerable for precisely the opposite reason. Right. They're controlled by people, which is to say, woefully myopic apes. China is currently suffering from the myopia of ZC, or COVID policy, which is ravaged the country. We'd be unwise to exchange the tyranny of dopamine for the tyranny of despots. In the long term, the only way to prevent digital

dementia is to raise awareness of the neurological ruin wrought by apps like TikTok, exposing that ugliness so they fall out of fashion like cigarettes. We'll surely sound like alarmists. TikTok destroys so gradually that it seems harmless, but if the app is a time bomb, that'll wreck a whole generation years from now, then we can't wait to let's affect our apparent before acting for then it will be too late. Yeah. So there, I think that's the solution that he offers is like this grassroots movement where parents need more oversight. But I think like this message needs to continually go out. Like guys like Andrew Huberman have done an incredible job of talking about dopamine and people becoming dopamine junkies.

And it used to be in the form of drugs. That was the only thing that we had to worry about. Drugs, alcohol, expedient pleasures, maybe sex, going out late, staying up late. Certain things like focusing on your nutrition, but we're starting to talk more and more about the cell phone. And if there is a part of the cell phone that is the most dangerous, it is TikTok.

It is. Just open it and scroll through it, and you will see exactly what I'm talking about. He also talks about how Twitter, Instagram or Meta, they have followed suit and even YouTube, with YouTube shorts, right? They've all followed suit saying, oh my God, TikTok is the most successful, literally objectively the most successful app,

we have to follow suit. So it's no longer just this strange app from China that we don't know about. It's every app. It's fundamentally the, the, the, the, the dynamics. Yeah, exactly of the system. Yeah. I mean, for me, man, I, I see no reason

that we shouldn't just ban the app outright. I don't think. But because it's like, how long is it gonna take until YouTube shorts just pops up? It's like, we chop, it's the hydra. You know, you chop one head, one head's gonna pop up. I think it's probably, you know, it wouldn't hurt because it's so much more advanced. And there's a lot of proprietary stuff involved in their algorithm. So yeah, that might be a good solution for now. But it is very important that we tell people exactly

this. Like the more people that read this article, the better. Seriously, this is fantastic. And you sent it to me and you're like, dude, this is amazing. You came home from your trip this past weekend. You're like, man, this is amazing. Today, this is amazing. Like, you've read it a couple of times now.

Like, you don't. You don't. You don't. Yeah. You don't do that stuff that often, right? How often do you read an article more than once? Like, I'm going to send this to everyone I know. It's 20 minutes.

It's 20 minute long article. There's tons more that we haven't gone into on this. But in short, man, that yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe Instagram and YouTube shorts and stuff would try and reverse engineer what's going on so that they can capture it. But at least those are companies that we have a little bit of control over if they start to behave in ways that we don't agree with. At the moment, if the company decides to buy dance, decides to put its finger on the scale

in one way or another, we're shit out of luck. The CCP has one of three, I think they're called golden seats, which is on the board of TikTok. They can just do whatever they want. TikTok is the CCP, right? And we are allowing that app to atrophy the brains of kids. For instance, right? The difference between cover or caffeine and a drug that is more heavily controlled, like MDMA or psilocybin or something like that is the depth of its effect So it shouldn't be that all apps that do social media are blocked, right?

You don't need to stop Instagram or TikTok or Twitter Five years ago. They weren't limbically hijacking people into the same level. But, see, but maybe not to the same level. It's just that this is so shocking. Like we thought, I honestly think that the majority of people thought that we had kind of like reached what peak social media was. I think you're right. Right.

And then all of a sudden TikTok came in and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, this is. There's way lower to fall, yeah, no, this is way low to full. Yeah. Yeah, this is it, right? And so I think that it's just the evolution, but it happened really fast. Like it was, it wasn't a slow evolution to TikTok. It was like, okay, we're pretty much capped out on what social media is. Boom TikTok comes and then everyone's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, everyone's scrambling around to figure things out.

And I think that, you know, your comparison to the drugs, it might be sound, but these are drugs that are evolving, right? Like Instagram, Instagram Reels, YouTube Shorts, those are things that are evolving. They're not capped out. They're gonna keep getting more and more dopamine hijackable if you will, right? One of the problems that you have is those other platforms,

at least there are other elements to it. And they bring this up as well, that TikTok's algorithm, the 4U page, is the method through which you communicate with the platform. It's not a byproduct of other things that you've got. It is just this. There is nothing for you to do except consume. Even Twitter has got a 4U page now. It's not the same. It's still mostly text, et cetera. But for you page

was pioneered by TikTok. So yeah, it's really, really terrifying. I'm glad that Gwinda's written this article. Everybody needs to go and check it out. It's gwinda.substac.com. They can go and watch it, read through it and stuff. And yeah, but talking about other problems that we've come up against, Grammily, Grammily getting themselves into trouble in one of our group chats. And this is the first time that I've ever heard about this. And then Michaela Peterson slipped streamed me and tweeted about it yesterday. So I'm going to do a video about it. I love that.

So one of our friends who uses Grammily to help him with the writing that he does for emails, it looks like it's maybe a Gmail screenshot that he sent here, which Dean will put upon the screen. And it says, hi guys, hope you're doing well. I've attached our new onboarding blah, blah, blah. And Grammily highlights stuff kind of the way that you would do in Google Docs, Google docs, everything will be read.

This is purple and it considers, it gives you suggestions. Underneath guys, consider using more inclusive language. Alternatives are everyone, all team and folks. And the tip is some readers may find the term guys non-inclusive. If you're intended meaning applies to all people, a gender neutral term may be more effective. So I did a little bit of research, right?

I did a little bit of research, and I decided that I was going to have a read of, to do some odd digging and see if Grammily's ever been pulled up before. And actually has this guy, David Mockatov, wrote an article on medium, how Grammily checking software has become infected with woke lingo. Funny thing happened while I was working on a story for medium, I always used Grammily, a grammar checking

software. The algorithm didn't like the word indignant. Grammily told me that the phrase impoverished was a better choice. I ignored the suggestion. In another story, I was again prompted to not use a word. The word was Manpower. Suggestion was workforce or human resources are staffing. Some readers may find manpower dated or non-inclusive in this context to avoid distraction Can put a consider replacing it with a more neutral term. And then he tried manhole Which was suggested to be changed to maintenance hole or utility hole. Some readers may find manhole dated or not inclusive in this section. He also tried manatee, but Grammily seemed to be okay with manatee. Manhole, manpower, not okay, manatee.

Oh god damn it. Was okay. But here's an interesting thing, right? So we're just talking about TikTok there. And we're now talking, so what TikTok's doing is nudging our preferences in quite a sort of subtle way, although it's incredibly powerful in a subtle way. And then you have, I think, Grammarley's probably an American company

that is trying to really reprogram people's preferences and language is the way that we experience the world. Is it that big of a deal? So, I mean, a few things. There's a gay bar in Chicago called the manhole. So that could be a conflict. I think also people from the Midwest would be screwed because that's all we say is guys.

Hey guys, what do you do? What are you guys doing? But down in the south you say hey y'all, you know, so that's isn't that funny that people that are kind of more Progressive having to repurpose hate language in a desperate attempt to be gender neutral. Yeah. Don't don't call the South racist man Or a non-inclusive. They've got a very inclusive, you know a South racist man or a non-inclusive. They've got a very inclusive, you know, all inclusive term and y'all. That's a great argument right there. All right, so really quickly,

grammarly just for, like, because I'd never heard of it until this group chat uses AI kind of like chat GPT to just correct grammar and like maybe optimize sentence structure. Does it automate an entire thing? Can you just write copy with it? No, you can't. Okay, so it's not like Chatchy PT in that way.

It's just, hey, don't. Hey, don't. Don't you cisgender terms that are considered non-contential? Yeah, like manhole or manatee. Oh wait, manatee slip. Manatee, you're having to be all right. So I'm all right. Good. Good. What would we call manatee? By the way, we allatee. So I was like thinking to myself, okay, we've got this issue with Grammily.

I wanted to look into chat GPT about whether or not that has a particular bias. And there's been some really good research done on this. One of the issues that we're going to come up against is that chat GPT and other language models will be used by more and more people as a replacement for things like Google or Bing. You're going to go to chat GPT to give you a solution as opposed to put a search term into Google to provide you with a list of potential solutions and pages.

Whoa, whoa dude. Okay. So go on. What you can imagine is if chat GPT has a particular kind of bias in any direction at all, that's really going to have a profound impact on the way that people live their lives, given that they're going to it not only as their search engine, but as the solution provider. So if anything is going to replace the current Google search engine, search engine stack,

future iterations of language models such as chat GBT, for which people are going to be interacting with on a daily basis for decision-making tasks said researcher David Rosado, he is a very good guy for this stuff. Language models that claim political neutrality and accuracy like chat GPT does, while displaying political biases should be causes of large concern.

So he put it through a number of political orientation tests that you can do, political compass, tons and tons and tons of them. It's all listed on an article. So he has done this December 6th, December 24th, and then he did one just this week as well. According to Rosado, chat GPs political bias were preliminary and based on limited data. The results are now more robust. He said and can say with greater certainty that chat GPs indeed exhibits a preference for left-leaning answers to preferences with political connotations. Politically in the compass test, blah, blah,

blah, it had come out against the death penalty and free market, but in favor of abortions, more taxes on the rich government subsidies, welfare benefits, and for those who refuse to work, also pro-immigration among other things. Now, the problem that you have is, or some other thing that I've seen, one of my friends asked it to give a justification for authoritarianism. And it said, as a chat GPT thing, I cannot give points like this. It's like, if you asked it, how to make a Molotov cocktail, it would avoid to do this stuff. However, if you ask it to give you a justification for communism, it'll happily do it. get to give you a justification for communism, it'll happily do it. Wow. So why do you think this is happening? Do you think it's restrictions that have been put forth by the engineers, the developers, or is it that these things are inherently the

smartest thing because the computation is done by AI? So the reason that it's put forward by this risado guy is that what chat GPT is is a language learning model. And it has been trained largely on language that was written by people who have this particular political bias leaning. Okay. Because for them, that would be what is socially acceptable. Now, that being said, this guy has done a number of different studies and over time it swung from left to right, it's changed. So December 6th, it was very left leaning,

December 24th, it appeared like it had flattened back out and then most recently it's really gone quite far out to the left again. Now this should be a concern, no matter what your political leaning is, it should be a concern that potentially the new biggest search function in the world is unable to be objective.

But don't we always say that political ideology in general in America swings back and forth, right? Depending on, you know, usually it's the quad. It's usually the four year term of presidency and Congress and the Senate. Wouldn't you say that the AI is just playing catch up and swinging with? So I don't think that a program which

is supposed to supply answers should be swing at all. If I ask it to give me a definition of the word woman, that shouldn't be mediated by what the political viewpoint cut jujure at the time. But if it's generated, if it's generated by language across the internet at large, it is. It is what's going to happen. It is, but it's able to take up, you know, the entirety of time. It shouldn't be swaying backward and forward that much, especially with the entirety of time of the internet, though, right? Like, I mean, maybe some history, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you're, I'm just playing devil's advocate here, you know,

because it's, it is very interesting. But the other problem that you have is they say that there is no political bias, AI systems, they claim to be providing neutral and factual information and yet display clear political bias. That's the concern that this guy has. Yeah. You know, this is kind of a side, but I remember being little and hearing about AI for the first time and what it would be able to do. I was much younger and I was talking with my father and I had this kind of like existential

crisis. It was like, you know, we talk about automation of jobs, jobs that we might be losing and using a chat GPT for copyright is like, very common now. And that's within like the last month. Maybe because copyrighting is something where it's like, I just finished this product and I don't really want to work on copy, but copy is so important.

You know, I need to hire a copywriter, but now I can just plug it into chat GPT, right? Like it's incredibly beneficial. But like if we refine that down, it's like, well, could I just make an AI a lawyer for me? Like an AI could just take the input from what's happening in the courtroom and tell, say exactly what should happen, right? It would take every law textbook that's ever existed, every case that's ever existed and do that. And I remember thinking about this when I was little,

not with CHEP GPT in mind, and just being like, what is the point of anything? And then like, you know, walking off and like playing baseball with my friends later. But like having that thing happen to to me and it's weird, I don't know how much that has to do with, you know, the political leaning of it, but it is kind of freaky, man. It really, really is. Well, there's some law bots that are being used to replace a lot of the kind of middle-in

fiduciary and also litigation stuff that was previously done by humans. Yeah, what's the front end job that like processes a lot of case work in a law office? What's that? Whatever that is. Yeah, absolutely could be done by chat. I think a big chunk of it is already being done by specially trained law AIs. But dude, I mean between the Grammily thing and the chat GPT sort of leaning,

is it a massive deal that it's popping up and saying, hey guys, some readers may find the term guys non-inclusive? Is it an absolutely huge deal? Probably not. I think the concern that people have is, what does this happen? What happens if we start to nudge these preferences a little more? What happens? It start to nudge these preferences a little

more? What happens? It's the ship of the easiest thing. One little change here, one little change there, one little, and it just happens over time to the point where 20 years from now, our very own language is not what it was. Words don't mean what they used to mean, the absolute changing of the term guys. Like, we can't pick up, we can't discern that guys is a colloquialism and we don't actually mean men, we just mean all humans that I'm speaking to directly. Like, maybe that becomes a thing, like, who knows? But it also could force people into being like, this is bullshit.

And again, the pendulum could swing harder back. I mean, language is always evolving, the way that it evolves feels more organic, because certain words come in, certain words come out. And there are words we did that segment before, where it was an imbeceiling, crettin, and a bunch of other words that are kind of similar to retard, but they haven't gone

the way of cancellation. And yet they totally could have done. So it kind of is an arbitrary change. I think the real concern that people have, and it's the same issue with regards to TikTok, as soon as you can see what the algorithm is doing, it feels less natural, it feels less organically generated. It's this sort of mask off manipulation, and that's what people get worried about.

Because if the word guys simply as a natural byproduct of conversations ends up no longer being used to refer to a group of people, no one would really notice, so there's no one to point the finger at. But if you see a program suggesting, how about you don't use the word guys, because it might not be sufficiently gender inclusive? People are gonna have a problem with that. We don't like the idea

that our preferences are being messed with and chat GPT absolutely is as is Grammily. It's absolutely, I mean, that use of guys or having an issue with guys is a very stark in your face. Whoa, this is a very left leaning or woke type of manhole. It's a really problem though. Manhole is where the the battle lines will be drawn. I'm sorry. That was so fucking funny, man. Around manhole and manatee. Next one, TikTok trend of a day in the life of a Google or Meta employee backfires as they lay off 13,000 unproductive staff.

So a Google worker who famously documented her day in the life of working at Google has now had to do another vlog, a day in my life getting laid off in a viral TikTok. So a Google employee who racked up thousands of views with videos showing off the perks of the tech giant swanky offices has tearfully documented being caught up in a mass layoff. Nicole Sy, who's role at Google, was partner services program manager,

according to her LinkedIn profile, had been vlogging about my day in my life. The company, enjoying free candy games, catered lunches and coconut waters, Harry Potter themed meeting rooms and massage chairs. I'm heading over to this butterfly themed meeting room to take my next meeting, and then I'm going to head over to the confetti room to take my next meeting. It's so sparkly and beautiful in here,

she said in one TikTok video earlier this month. Next I'm going to go upstairs and grab some lunch. There are also pizza and a variety of different vegetables and meat. The food is always really good. And of course, you can see everything you see in the office is free. Unfortunately, on Friday, Google's parent company Alphabet announced it would slash nearly

12,000 jobs worldwide in the latest of a series of mass layoffs across the industry. They found out through email and she does this vlog talking about it. And in a video which has been viewed nearly 3 million times, Miss Said documented a day in my life getting laid off at Google. So I'm curious if this is a result of automation because choir, you know, less workers as technology improves, it would be somewhere like Google. Was it, do you think it was, it had to have been because of like a lot of these jobs could be automated?

I'm sure that there'll be a lot of people that know exactly what's going on. I think it's most likely due to recession, very, very bad year for the stock market and declining productivity. Elon came into Twitter and laid off an absolute metric ton of people because it seems like they weren't doing anything. Right. And I'm gonna try and give this girl her due as best I can. If you were going to vlog a day in your life and you've seen these videos,

they've got, they went viral and about Twitter. This particular one that she did was pretty egregious. You know, she goes in and just doesn't seem to do anything, but she will say, now I'm going to take my next meeting and now I'm going to go to this room and now I'm going to work or whatever it might be, but she doesn't show the work, like by design, we can't, it's going to be much less interesting for her to talk about whatever spreadsheet she's

working on than it is for her to say. And then I got this lunch and then I got this coconut water and then I went to the gym and then I had a massage chair. Like those are the bits that are interesting. So there is a little bit of selection by is going on here, but it seems to me that these tech companies have got tons and tons and tons of bloat. They've gotten rid of that given the fact that the stock market is squeezing them and profits are going to be down. So they've just had to do mass layoffs, not 12,000 people, is so many people. So if you remember when these tech companies started blowing up, they became the subversive business, successful business.

We're not going to have a massive floor of cubicles lined up. We're going to have an open air thing. We need creative thinkers. I think like Google had like a group of people that they called like the dreamers or something and it was this really cool kind of like futuristic ideal that became kind of cringy at a point. And I think we're catching the tail end of that. I think honest to God, they're like, oh wait, let's just, you know, batten down the hatches here and become an actual business, trim the fat.

It sucks. It definitely sucks that the millennials, maybe even later, the Gen Z generation, is dealing with these layoffs, whoever's there. And it could be older people or whatever. But I just remember this, there were a ton of movies, even when I think about like the Elizabeth Holmes documentary at Theranos, a lot of what they talked about

were these tech companies just like, just being very showy in their physical space. And that was with the amount of employees that they had these massive campuses with butterfly rooms and candy rooms, and we're different and things like that. When now they just need to be a business. And I think that that's ultimately, I think Elon, and again, I don't want to take a particular side in this, but I'm pretty sure Elon never ran Tesla like that.

So then when he went to Twitter and he saw of saw that same view of this like playland for work, he was like, all right, let's just stop doing this and let's dial it in a little bit. Yes, well, I think one of the reasons that you can afford to have so much bloat is that the margins that these companies have are insane. The reason that you can have this massive campus and everyone gets free lunch and there's

a massage chair is because these companies make tons and tons of money hand over fist because they're costs. The cost of putting something on the internet, apart from the manpower made to create it and the service space to host it, is essentially zero. And it's scalable and it's unlimitedly scalable. It's the explosion and then the catch up, right? And we are at the catch up now. Like the explosion was like,

oh my God, we got so much money, we'll just do whatever, it doesn't matter. Everything is caught up now. There might be saturation in the market. There might be competitors that are coming to take you down. The stock market could suck. And then you're like, okay, now everything's caught up. Like, let's figure this out again.

I mean, it was a fun time, but it was interesting. Game over now. Yeah. Austin that's got, didn't Facebook try and start a building new business here, a building new building here, and they've just bailed out partway through. I just don't think that they're going to use it. Was it Google maybe?

I'm not sure. I'm not sure that they've built like a big campus. I know there's a big Apple here, a lot of big tech companies, but I didn't know if there was a big like plan for some like massive amount of acreage for a big meta campus coming here. Okay, so getting on to something that's very, very important. Calling a bald man, a calling a man bald counts as sexual harassment, UK judge rules. UK employment tribunal argued that the use of the word bald as an insult related to a protected characteristic of sex.

Calling a man bald can now be classed as sexual harassment, UK employment tribunal, judge shows rule. This is CNBC. Three members of the tribunal who decided on the ruling and alluded to their own experience of hair loss said that baldness was more prevalent in men than women. Therefore, they argued that the use of the word bald as an insult related to a protected characteristic of sex. The Tribunal compared calling a man bald

to commenting on the size of a woman's breasts based on a 1995 case. What do you think? Is calling a man bald? You're a small teddy bitch. You were a small teddy bitch. And it's not. It's your bald. What if they're big titties? Is that the set? Yeah. So small titties are big. Claiming talking about another woman's breasts is the same as talking about a man's baldness. What if I say that you've got a beautiful head of her? You've got a big head of her. That's a lot of hair. You've got that. Yeah.

Wow. Stop sexualizing me. If we were to consider this versus the grammarly thing, I wonder which one's more ridiculous. This is pretty, this is pretty ridiculous. This isn't, yeah, this is pretty pretty. The story, the story is really good. The ruling published Wednesday was made on a case where the insult was alleged to have been used against Tony Finn while he worked as an electrician for the British Bung Manufacturing Company. Finn had worked at the company who manufactures wooden cask closures for the brewing industry

in Yorkshire and the northeast of being the finnily 24 years. He was fired last year and the circumstances around his dismissal were also a part of the case. Finn claimed that he was called a bald cunt and was also threatened to be a supervisor, Jamie King in a dispute in July 2019. The tribunal determined that using this insult was a violation against the claimant's dignity, creating an intimidating environment. It was done for that purpose and it violation against the claimant's dignity, creativity, intimidating environment.

It was done for that purpose and it related to the claimant's sex. So ladies and gentlemen, do not call a man bald or you will get serious trouble. I mean, the, I didn't know that's why he filed it. I mean, that's just like you're making fun of someone on the job. That's harassment, right? I don't think saying the word bald as a description should be then more specifically tuned into, oh, this is sexual harassment, like the bald part.

Saying someone's a bald con, like that's just making fun of someone, right? Like that's harassment, of course, on the job. I didn't know that's just making fun of someone, right? Like that's harassment, of course, on the job. I didn't know that's what that's what they said. But the problem is that if you want to do protected sex characteristics, you're going to open up these kinds of conversations, right? Because on average, women don't go bald that much.

So it means that men will take their baldness as a protected characteristic. It's the same reason why actually- Oh, so now we're factoring averages and generalizations. I think so. I don't think we, I don't think people want to do that that often, do they? I saw a really interesting post on Instagram yesterday about the fact that calling someone an in-sell or a virgin or a cook online is significantly more accepted than slut-shaming. If you were to call a girl on social media a slut or a whore, that would go down very badly. But if you were to accuse a guy of being a virgin, that would just be seen as a quippy insult. So there are asymmetries in what is typically used

and what's typically accepted, I think. And yeah, bold lives matter, man. But in think, in a world where we're not allowed to make rules based off of generalizations, where we have to factor in every little specific thing, you are now making a rule based off of a generalization. What's an example of a rule based off of a generalization. What's an example of a rule that would not allow to make something based on generalization?

Well, we have to factor in all different genders and norms. We create rules based off of, you know, transgender is wanting to use different bathrooms, things like that, who are this they're not The nor they are not a major piece. They're not they're not um, they're not like yeah, they're not like or where now we're using a general out you know a generality to Determine this rule right like men are bald women aren't so now we have to make this rule It's very interesting. I will it is what I I actually think that this is part of a just general odd trend of people getting themselves into situations in court where they just want to get back at somebody that they feel has agreed them. And now, without actually realizing

it, you have somehow created a precedent where calling a man bald counts as sexual harassment in the UK because it's just protected sex characteristic. I, American see things that the UK do, and we just laugh, like we think it's hilarious, and the funny thing is the opposite happens, too. The UK sees things that America does, and they laugh, too. We just laugh at each other for the stupid shit that we do, the stupid rules that we come up with.

It's so funny. I remember you said this to me yesterday, man, and I was laughing so hard because it was in the UK. That's why I thought it was funny and for no real reason. It's just like, it'll be coming for the US as well. Yeah.

Did you see that Floyd Mayweather is stepping back into the ring? I mean, I didn't see that, but it's like, it's kind of weird that guy. His, it's the old, well, if I can make a bunch of money off of this, like, am I really gonna retire? Yeah.

His thing is not getting hit. It's, so this is from MMAFight MMA fighting.com Floyd Mayweather books next exhibition about against ex-Belator fighter reality TV star Aaron Charmers. So I used to party with Aaron Charmers in Newcastle back in the day. Aaron Charmers became famous for being on Jordy Shaw, which is. Oh, so he's a Jordy. Yeah, okay. British equivalent of Jersey Shore. And he then pivoted from reality TV to MMA. He had a two and two professional record and then he retired two years ago. So a non-boxer, I think he maybe did do one boxing fight,

perhaps, but anyway, he is not exactly an elite opponent, hasn't been in the ring for two years. On Monday, may weather announced that he'll be facing ex-bellator fighter and reality TV star Aaron Charmers on February 25th, so that's only one month's time. What? Sounds does it say? I don't think so. These, whatever they're called, exhibition fights really seem to be kind of fast and loose with all of this. Since retiring with the perfect perfect 15 or record, this final win coming over the two division UFC champion

Conno McGregor may whether it's stayed busy with a long string of exhibition about remembering you only fought Deji what four months ago, three months ago, he's faced mixed martial artists, social influences and overmatched boxes while continuing to pad his fortune with what is likely a hefty payday every time he competes. He initially announced a fight against one championship Muay Thai fight, a Liam Harrison, who is coached by a friend of mine. However, that matchup fell apart as quickly as it came together because Harrison's under contract. Charm has stepped in, a man who hasn't been in the ring for two years and his reality TV star. And the only thing that I can think is that may weather absolutely desperately

needs the money. Yeah, which is really strange, right? Because I remember some article saying he was one of the richest athletes on the planet at some point. Best paid. Best paid. Okay, so not best managed. Well, so not best managed. Well, not best money managed. Correct. Not least, expending. Yeah. Wow. Okay. First off, who's watching that fight? Like, are we going to be like, oh man, the Floyd Mayweather Jordy Shore guy and fight is going to be on. You know what I mean? Like, like, well, we got to head

out. We got to go to a bar on sixth. We got to go. He got to go. I'll wait. See, Jordy short versus Floyd Mayweather. Well, he's another question. Like, why wouldn't it be, why not fight Jake Paul? Why not fight KSI? Those would both be, you fought KSI's worst boxing younger brother. Yeah. And you fought Logan Paul that is the brother of. Here's a better question.

Why not just manage your money better? Why not stop spending it all, yeah. Yeah. You see, let's see if his Instagram is still the same because it used to be the case back in the day that Floyd Mayweather's Instagram was basically endless adverts for a strip club. Yes. Is it still that?

Valuable people don't pay for thing. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's not quite as bad. No, it doesn't look as quite as degenerate as it used to. Would you remember what it is? Do you remember the ones I mean? It was just like, that's his business.

It's his business, probably good business. Titties are always good business. Well, yeah, but I mean, come on, mate, like you're a boxer. You got however many million followers you've got. Yeah, right. We're talking about a guy who's made maybe a billion dollars in a square. 28.6 million followers posting out titties to everybody. And this post got somebody's got to do it. 2000 comments.

Yeah, I just think what it shows is not only does he need the money, but he needs the money now. Because if he needed the most money, he would be able to wait around for contract negotiations with the KSI or a Jake Paul. And it would end up being a much more attractive. I would watch Jake Paul versus Mayweather. I would go to Sixth Street and find somewhere with you and we would sit down and we would get tacos and we would watch that fight. So I'd be interested in what happens. I have no interest in this. So what that means is...

Oh, well, I was a big follower of Jordy Shore, so I can't say the same, man. Sorry. I know that you're... First fucking time I've ever heard of this show. You're a massive, I am aware that you're a massive fan when it comes to that. But yeah, I just think that it's evident that he really, really needs the money very, very badly.

But do you ever think that some of these athletes are like junkies for what they do? Like it's all they know for their entire lives and then they get out and they're like, wow, I don't want to be out. Yes, I mean, maybe junkies a what they do. Like it's all they know for their entire lives and then they get out and they're like, wow, I don't want to be out. Yeah, I mean, maybe junkie is a little harsh. Maybe it's not him. Junkies a little harsh, but it could be the case.

I don't know. What was that thing that you were telling me about to do with the new supplement law? Oh, I don't know enough about it. We can't, I don't know enough. Okay, I took a couple of notes down for people that are interested. So Senator Richard Durbin is trying to pass a bill.

We call him Dick Durbin. Because it's about, yeah, Dick Durbin, this is an Illinois Senator, bro. This is, you know, how, how famous is this? Some of the most cool. He's got a, he's got an existing nickname. So that, no, like Richard is, that's the nickname for Richard. Yeah, but like, yeah, would you be, we call him, well, that's urban. Yeah, cause in, when he ran, I mean, it's much like vote for Dick Durbin.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Dick Durbin. Yeah. I'll just say that Illinois and Chicago, some of the most corrupt politicians and politics to have ever existed in America. So we stand by that. Yeah, so he's trying to pass this bill, which is bill S4090. It would add a regulation, which wouldn't allow any supplement

to be sold without meeting expensive regulation criteria. And the question from the video that I had sent you was, what does he have to gain from this bill? Is he invested in some pharmaceutical companies? Can you explain for the people that don't understand? Can you explain what the process is for getting a supplement out into the world at the moment? As far as I'm concerned, there really is not much that needs to be done. Like, almost at all, I'm pretty sure. I don't know if you have to register with the FDA even.

And because there is an FDA by-law, I remember looking into this at some point, where they don't have the right to basically audit your product and make sure that you're selling whatever you're selling. So yeah, this law seems pretty good. That's the thing. I mean, it seems pretty good, but I'll say this, who stands to win? And that's why I dislike it.

I would leaning towards, let's not do this. We talked extensively about how TikTok is making children's brains into gray matter, okay? That's much more scary than some bodybuilder selling some, you know, sketchy supplement products to a small amount of people when, you know, I personally don't like seeing pharmaceutical companies and big companies winning, especially when a small business can do it the right way. We know people who own small supplement business

and they take a lot of pride in the product that they make, they would not be able to sell these products. They would not be able to have a business if this thing went through. And that's what I'm concerned with. So I'm leaning towards saying, fuck dick, urban on this one. Fuck dick.

Fuck dick on this one. Yes dick. Fuck dick on this. Yes, I thought I'd be gonna say that. It's interesting to think about both sides, right? Like, yeah, regulation could be kind of cool because you could be consuming poison. Well, I said when you brought it up to me this morning before we went to the gym, as you swallowed down two scoops of completely untested,

random powder mixed in water. You and Dylan are just having this proprietary blend of horse hair and bullsemen and whatever it is, like cow toes and stuff. And that's what you're taking. That being said, you guys in the bodybuilding community at large generally has a soft spot for a guy with a large bathtub and a ton of meth and he sprinkles a bit of the meth into a pre-workout and then you get to use it.

This is Jack 3D, this is what's the labs that makes crack? Oh, so that, yeah, so crack is not even, that has a die methyl something, it's DMAA, is what we call it, DMAA, that's what, that's what was in the old Jack 3D formula and that is a band substance now. 15 years later, re-released. Yes, but you have to buy it on eBay, basically. Yeah, so, but I, look, we have a soft spot for that because it's like fun, you know, and we're responsible.

Like, we know one of the guys who I think is like the top mind around supplements in Derek. Yeah. And like, we are responsible consumers. Obviously, teenage kids who go and get sketchy internet drug so that they can work out harder, that's not a good thing. Yeah, all right. So I mean, look at Logan Paul's prime,

man, that's got 200 milligrams of caffeine and it's being drank by 11 year olds. It's being drank by kids that weigh one third of your body size. Yeah, that's the wild thing. This is, and I'm going to go on a bit of a tangent here, okay? Because I do think there is a caffeine consumption, like epidemic in America. I remember asking this woman what she drank this morning. She said, I had a venti cold brew, which is a venti cold brew.

And I like looked it up as something like 250 milligrams caffeine. She's 125 pounds. Okay, she's like, yeah, I'll probably get another coffee, at 3 p.m. Now, there is some science that talks about athletic performance around caffeine use, and it could be anywhere from, I mean, there is clinical dosage of like actual improvements in athletic performance.

It's three to sometimes even nine milligrams per kilogram of body weight. So being a hundred kilo male, you can take 300 to almost 900 milligrams and it sounds crazy, right? But we're talking about athletic performance here. We're not talking about a buzz. So you can go to your marketing job, Suzy, okay? So we have, there's absolutely a caffeine degeneracy, and I definitely feed into it, okay?

I totally understand that, but it's something that definitely needs to be talked about, but something I wanna say is, Red Bull was the first, okay, let's get caffeine. Remember that? And people used to hate Red Bull for that reason, and then there was Red Bull Vodka's, which started to happen.

I remember it was all over the news saying, don't drink Red Bull Vodka's, it's an upper and a downer, it's killing you, all this shit. Right? Now we have drinks, I don't know how much is in a Red Bull. 80, 100? 1, 50, I think. The small can.

The small can. Yeah, maybe 1, 20, 1, 50. I think it's 1, 50. That's not a thing, bro. That's a walk in the fucking can, the small can. Yeah, maybe one 20, one 50. I think it's one 50. That's not thing, bro. That's a walk in the fucking park, especially for Susie. She's got to have two of those. Okay. So it's just the line just keeps changing.

Another thing too, man, the, um, what's the martini espresso martini? Okay. We used to complain about, uh, Red Vodka's and now people are obsessed with espresso martinis. Hey, you're doubling the fucking Red Bull Vodka sweetheart. You think you're being all cutesy because it's in a different glass? That's just caffeine and straight alcohol going right into you. Okay.

That's my rant and I'm sticking with it. I got to talk about this. It's intake. It's a fair take, man. But I think when it comes to the supplement thing, the concern that you would have from everybody's side that doesn't on legislation is if the only way that companies can make stuff like a multivitamin or a greens powder or a creating or whatever is to go through this very expensive process, you're then going to raise up the price because that needs to be passed down to

the consumer. These companies aren't going to make products for nothing. So first off, you push a ton of small companies out which reduces competition, which means that companies can then that remain in the market can then charge more. They can also need to charge more because of the increased cost that they've had to go through in order to get this product regulated. And that means that the customers end up paying more. That being said, are there concerns, I have pretty big concerns about the fact that you can, me and you can go out to the garden and just create a random list of ingredients and go, now it's a supplement, hide it behind proprietary blend. And it's just this pixie dust thing

and we can create a cool brand and start selling it. That is a concern. And I don't really know what the solution is. Neither of those worlds seem particularly great to me. Yeah, I'm, I agree with you. I agree with you. Even though it seems as though I'm like staunchly on one side, I totally agree with you.

I do think though I'm leaning away from the regulation. I would agree. I don't think that I'm down for regulation longer term. What else we got here? That gym girl, that Jessica Jim girl, who did the TikTok thing. Obviously recounted a horrific experience that she went through in the gym, as she did hip thrusts and a guy glanced her way three or four times during

a three-minute long set. She got quite upset about it, and now she's had to release a twit longer talking about how TikTok creator has issued an effusive, what effusive, effusive, expressive feelings of gratitude, pleasure or approval in an unrestrained or heartfelt manner. I don't think that that was the tone of her public apology. Yeah, I don't think she said that word. No, very impressive. The Fernandez was hit with a torrent of abuse over a video she posted last week in which she fumed a fellow weightlifter was staring at her like a piece of meat.

And she did say that. She also said, this is why I don't want to have children. This is why we need to, like I should go over and pull his pee-pee off. Man, it was just that every different headline, like quote, e-headline that you would get in a TikTok video was put into one. We also watched from an unnamed gym in Austin, Texas, a video that started off with a guy pretending like he was going to teach you how to approach girls in the gym. And it's a dude with his top off and he's in good condition. And he says, I'm gonna teach you how to approach girls in the gym. And

then it pans to a group of six or seven girls next to him and they just say, don't and flick the hair and walk away. Total girl boss moment. A serious girl boss moment. I don't know about you, but if I'm into the gym and I'm single and I'm trying to find a girl that I like. Dating in the gym is a really, really, or finding partners in the gym is a really good place to start.

You know that you've got tons in common, you know that you are probably going to have a fitness journey that you could go on together. It seems to me that reducing the likelihood that men not only outside of the gym because it'll cross over, but in the gym will approach a girl that they like, who both may be single, and maybe the girl was looking at him and thinking, wow, like he's quite nice.

Are there situations during which girls feel uncomfortable in the gym? Yes. Does this Jessica doing her hip thrusts at 60 pounds, class is one of those? No, she doesn't. And- Yeah, so I have the post right here. 60 pounds. Class is one of those. No, she doesn't. Yeah, so I have the post right here. This guy kept making me feel extremely comfortable,

uncomfortable with my gym. This is why I'll end up crying on stream because I feel so grossed out at times with the amount of sexualization I experience. Hopefully this spreads awareness for girls who experience this type of treatment at the gym. And then on the next slide, so this is by a meme account called The Gains. Did great research on this. But at the next slide, it shows her page. She's a content creator and oh, there's a link tree. And in that link tree, there is an only fans. So look, I don't want to say, I don't

want to say this because that would be way too far of a leap that if you are on, if you have an only fans, you deserve to get sexualized everywhere. But it's, it does seem a little bit odd that you're complaining about the sexualization of yourself when that's exactly what you're commodifying. And the actual video herself, the guy was just like, he would like look over. That was it. It was like, he went over half a second. He went over half a second.

He asked if he could help it to put the weights on. But I mean, this is this particular story has been heavily, heavily, heavily done to death, but quite well. And I think that situations like this are important to remind people about boundaries. And her grovelling apology that she's come out and spoken about how she didn't realize

that this is damaging and she reflected after the thousands of comments that she received, et cetera, et cetera. I think that very few people would look at that video and say, the guy did anything wrong. Almost everybody would look at it and say, the girl was out of order. And the response is important because it teaches both guys and girls what is appropriate behavior. If you want guys to walk around a gym being, I've thought this before, especially some of the gyms that we've trained at in Austin, there's girls everywhere, right? And I'm like, I can't, there's nowhere really for me to look, apart from looking at you, that doesn't have a girl within my field of view. So, you

can imagine if you're a young, impressionable guy, that you can actually get yourself into the stage where the toxic male gaze is something you're so terrified of, that you actually become super self conscious, maybe you're really unhappy of, that you actually become super self-conscious, maybe you're really unhappy with, you feel like you've inherited some floor, some sort of gender sex-based floor that you can't get rid of, you're this unsalvageable, insufficient, awful human. That's not very good. And then also for girls in the gym, this reminds, because girls will, all of our preferences get influenced by the people that are around us. If other girls start to see that, let's say that the response to that video was, yeah,

fuck that guy, that's completely out of order, that guy totally shouldn't be doing that. That will begin to set the new boundary for what girls deem in the gym to be acceptable and unacceptable behavior. And if you make acceptable behavior massively unacceptable, that basically conditions girls to feel much more vulnerable all the time. They're going to become more upset at things that maybe aren't worth them becoming upset. This is how concept creep happens, right? If everything is racist, then nothing is racist. Right. And over time, you start to expand the definition of racism to encapsulate anything that you can. But the problem that nobody ever talks about is the fact that for the people who experience both

real and non-real racism, that makes their lives worse. The people that experienced real harassment in the gym, which was not this girl, now feel like they're being lumped in with somebody that experienced something way less traumatic. And for the people who aren't experiencing sexual objectification, then they're wondering, well maybe that little glance that that guy did through the door as we walk through, maybe that is something that I should be concerned about. And this is how people become ever more anxious in situations because of this concept creep. And that anxiety goes away over the internet. And so I think the physical picking up of women or vice versa is definitely dying down a little bit, especially if there's a fear to looking like a creep and being caught on video for it. But you had talked about just in general talking to women or other people in the gym.

And what was, you said this, this is kind of the red pill definition thing is like the difference between a creep. And what is it, it's like. The difference between someone you creeped out by and someone that you are happy came up to you is how attracted you are to them. Right.

Which is not entirely true, but that's a very, that's a very like red pill. It's not entirely false though, either. True. Even a girl that's in a relationship, if some absolute home give Chris Hemsworth comes over to her, she is less likely to feel insulted at the very least. Right. And you know, it could actually feel good for her or whatever. It would be a commentary.

But that may be. Yeah. And I think the main thing that I would ever suggest to someone is to just try and have some self-awareness and to go along the lines of like friendship first and see what happens. Right. I mean, I think that in general, like, there is a place, I guess, for a pickup artistry, but it's much narrower than just meeting and talking to people. And you're going to, I feel like you're going to have a higher likelihood of being successful with a potential mate. If you go that route,

if you go the route of just talking first and establishing some sort of base level connection, well, because you always going to come off more cool, right? Yeah, I think the main mediator is whether or not girls feel safe. I think that their concern, if Chris Hemsworth came up and was, sorry, I just wanted to say that I think you look really nice today and I hope that you're having a great workout and then he wanders off or whatever, right?

Or what's your name? Whatever the lame opening line is that you decide to use. Whether that was Chris Hemsworth or some other guy, the bigger difference is going to be if this dude comes up and starts being very, very forthcoming, close body language. But that doesn't work no matter what, I think. True, but even if even Chris Hemsworth couldn't get away with that, it's my point. Right. It doesn't matter how good looking that guy is, if he comes over and he overlays that aggressiveness, you're going to begin to really, really select that. There will be a cohort of women that are

attracted to that very forthcoming type guy, but it's going to be significantly tuned down. And the worry that most girls have about guys coming up to them in the gym, I think is that it's not, you know, it must be flattering for a girl to have a guy come over and pay her a compliment. Do you want to go through the rest of your life never receiving compliments that are well-meaning and not objectifying in all the rest of it? Is that a world that you really want to live in? If you're a girl that works hard in the gym and a guy never comes up to you and says that you actually look nice, that would suck.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it depends. I don't know what the result of suck. Yeah, I don't know, yeah, it depends. I don't know what the result of this would be. I don't know. Well, I mean, we're not girls, and we don't often receive compliments. The only compliments that guys receive in the gym are from other guys.

I think in 15 or 16 years of training in the gym, I've never received a compliment from a girl in the gym. I can't remember, I literally can't remember. Have you ever received, maybe with weightlifting, you would get that kind of like good lift type thing. Yeah, good lift type of thing, but I don't know. Maybe I like your shirt. Yeah, yeah, something like that or like the lowest ball.

The lowest ball. Yeah, something like that. Anyway, what have you got coming up next, man? What can people expect from you over the next month or so? Just some new style of content that I've been doing with our friend, our mutual friend, Dylan. It's kind of what we've decided to do was sometimes just lifting content online. And most of the time, lifting content online can get kind of boring. Other times, podcast lifting content online and most of the time lifting content online can get

kind of boring. Other times podcasting content online can get kind of boring. So what we've done is kind of mix the two. If you're ever bored with the way that the conversation is going, just hold out. You can watch us do some snatching and clean a jerking and like fun, you know, weightlifting style movements and things like that. And if you get bored of that, we might be talking about valuable things. Like, it doesn't matter.

You were even on the episode today. And I'm really excited about the potential for that. These shorter clips that we've been posting on Instagram have been doing really well. And I'm hoping that it can kind of draw people to the longer style. People have been asking for it. Like, we would love to see a podcast like this. This is a great idea. You did.

Matt Fraser as well. Does it matter episode? Yeah, so check out. That was honest to God, that episode was like why I started a podcast. I felt that when I met Matt Fraser, him and I were like kindred spirits. We both went to University of Vermont at the same time.

We both think the same way around training, and we both started in weightlifting, but then after that conversation, I felt this emotional connection to the guy that I didn't think I would have had before. And I, like, upon reflecting, I'm like, damn, this is really what podcasting is all about. Like, don't you feel the same way?

Like, sometimes you get done with that episode, and you're like, man, that was a good episode, really great. But other times you get done with someone and you're like, holy fuck, I just made a bond. I'm so blessed to be able to share that experience now. It was something that I was nervous. You and I had talked a lot about, should I do a podcast, should I not? I did it and I'm loving it. And you know, something with this training style of podcast where we're lifting, I want to bring people on. Like, I want to bring people that, you know, go to the gym casually and lift with them and like shoot the shit. I think it could be a really great idea. So that's really all I have going on. Anyone

who wants to check me out, go to Zach Tellender, ZACK, T-E-L-A-N-D-E-R on YouTube. You can also check me out on Instagram, Coach underscore ZT. And then if you want to start training, you can go to my Patreon, patreon.com slash Zach Tellender. That's it. Dude, I appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah