Modern Wisdom - #616 - 800k Q&A - Diary Of A CEO, Alex Hormozi & Body Positivity

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

I hit 800k Subscribers on YouTube!! To celebrate, I asked for questions from YouTube, Twitter, Locals and Instagram, so here's another 90 minutes of me trying to answer as many as possible. As always ...there's some great questions in here about my experience on Steven Bartlett's Diary Of A Ceo, whether I think Alex Hormozi is the new Naval Ravikant and why there's no male body positivity movement. Expect to learn whether I understand females more or less after all the things I've read, my reflections after dealing with depression throughout my 20's, what my attachment style is, how to keep your ego small, if it's harder to find a good partner than in our parents' generation, if I'm grateful for growing up working class, why I'm in love with Crocs and much more... Sponsors: Get 10% discount on Marek Health’s comprehensive blood panels at https://marekhealth.com/modernwisdom (use code: MODERNWISDOM) Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 4.0 at https://manscaped.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D and more from Athletic Greens at https://athleticgreens.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Zachary and Miguel from AISHIP.CO created the ChrisBot for me. They can develop all kinds of AI solutions, check them out here - https://aiship.co/  Extra Stuff: Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the show. My guest today is me. I hit 800,000 subscribers on YouTube and to celebrate as is tradition I asked for questions from YouTube, Twitter, locals and Instagram. So here is another nearly two hours of me trying to answer as many as possible. As always, there are some great and challenging and different questions in here about my experience on Stephen Bartlett's Diary of his CEO podcast, whether I think Alex Hormosi is the new Neval Ravacant, and why there's no male body positivity movement. Expect to learn whether I understand females more or less
Starting point is 00:00:34 after all the things I've learned, my reflections after dealing with depression throughout my 20s, what my attachment style is, how to keep your ego small, if it's harder to find a good partner than in a parents generation, if I'm grateful for growing up working class, why I'm in love with crocs, and much more. Also, you will find out the part way through this. I bring a second participant into the discussion which is a language learning model trained on about half a thousand hours of me speaking and every blog post that I've
Starting point is 00:01:05 ever written. So there is an automated AI crisper answering some of the question. I'm asking crisper the questions and then dictating what the crisper says back to us. I will leave it to you to work out whether or not you think that he is an accurate representation of me. But if you like that thing, which I thought was actually really funny to see what an AI chatbot of me would say, if you like it, then I'll continue to do it for the future Q&A. So I thought it was very funny. But yeah, get ready for that. He joins in after about 10 or 15 minutes, I think. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the Wise and Very Wonderful.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Me. Hello everybody, welcome back to the show. It is an 800,000 subscriber Q&A episode and as around about 700,000 of you will be familiar with, this means that I ask for questions from Twitter and locals and YouTube community and Instagram and there were way more than I'm going to have time to get through today. But we've bundled them together and I'm going to try and get through as many as I can. Before we get into the episode, I do want to give an announcement that I am going on tour. I'm going to be doing live shows later this year. And you get to choose which cities I go to.
Starting point is 00:02:41 If you go to ChrisWilliamson.live, you can enter the city that you live in, and we're just going to use that information to help root the different locations that I'll go to to do the live event. I absolutely can't wait to put everybody into a room together. My imposter syndrome around why am I stood on stage in front of hundreds of people is going to take a little bit of work to drop off before this happens, but I really, really, really excited to do it. And you guys get to choose where I go. So go to chriswilliamson.live, put your city in,
Starting point is 00:03:14 and also you'll find out first when show dates and locations and tickets are all announced as well. Let's get into it. Jackson Peakin, my dead-end factory job pays 120 grand, but it is depressing. How would you make the leap to quit? Think about how good you are at doing a job that you hate, and now think about how good you would be if you were doing a job that you love. Really, what you're doing is you're exchanging sanity for time. That's the cost. Sometimes sanity involves lots of time, sometimes it involves lots of cognitive effort, sometimes
Starting point is 00:03:51 it involves you being depressed or unhappy. You could basically see exchanging money for sanity as well if I get a more enjoyable job which pays me less money, it nets out at the same. Because think about all of the coping mechanisms that you're probably going through in a desperate attempt to put up with this job. You might be training less, you might be going less outgoing, you might be spending more time on your phone, you might be turning to other drugs like weed or nicotine. All of those will fall away if you were to switch jobs and you would probably also be much better at what you do.
Starting point is 00:04:31 All the tingies, nine. What did you think about the response to your diary of a CEO, Instagram reel? Yes, very interesting. The Fiat 500 Instagram Club took offense at some of the things that I said on that podcast reel. Look, every single person that's ever listened to modern wisdom knows exactly my position when it comes to the dating market. Like, I am in the eyes of the manusphere so blue-pildemic cook and in the eyes of Guardian readers, so bigoted that I'm a misogynist.
Starting point is 00:05:06 If I split the difference between those two, so be it. I really loved the episode. I thought that the reel was spicedly edited together, but it did what we need to. Stephen's team has a very quick cut style, the way that they put their shorts together. Yeah, the comment section spoke for itself. It's a bunch of, you know, a lot of them, women who maybe haven't been exposed to this stuff before, but I can't go any gentler than that. If you listen to what I'm saying, especially on the podcast, it's like so delicate, we
Starting point is 00:05:42 can't roll back women's education and employment. We can't do this. This is how difficult it is for girls. Like blah, blah, blah, blah. If I cave-yanted anymore, I would basically be, I would be lying. I would be dampening down the insights so much that no one actually got to any truth anymore.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Neither thing I was talking to David Busse about this yesterday, I feel so bulletproof in the science around this. There's no other topic on the planet that I know as well as intersectional dynamics mating and attraction. And because of that, it means that if I do get pushback like that, typically if you were on less well grounded footing, you'd be like, oh, no, what if I'm not actually, my position might not be too certain here.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Every single stat that I cited, I'm happy to give references for. Every single position that I had there, I'm not actually, my position might not be too certain here. Every single stat that I cited, I'm happy to give references for every single position that I had there. I'm like, yeah, I feel like that was what I meant to say. I think it's accurately grounded in science and I think that it is fair and put forward in an empathetic and well-meaning way. And if the Fiat 500 Instagram Club doesn't like that then. I don't care. Sarah Grace W, after all of your conversations about females, do you think you understand us more or less, smiley face?
Starting point is 00:06:53 That's a very good question. I'd like to think more. I do think more. There is a chasm when you start learning about evolutionary psychology where you Stop seeing people as people and start seeing them as just a collection of traits and signals that they're doing But I'm out of that on the other side now Everyone's complex, right? Absolutely everybody is
Starting point is 00:07:23 but I do think that a good grounded understanding of human nature through evolutionary psychology Helps to make people a little bit less murky. LLJ22, you recently spoke with Alex Homosie about the starving rat experiment, where the animal has a reward to run toward, the smell of cheese, and something they fear to run away from the smell of a cat. At this stage in life, what would you say is a reward you were running toward and a fear you were running from, and if you had a figurative spring attached to your figurative tale, do you think it would be the reward or the fear making you pull more forcefully? It's definitely more reward than it is fear now. It was fear for a very very long time. It's maybe 50 50. I don't know. I try and err on the side of finding things that are good of
Starting point is 00:08:01 running towards paying forward the benefits and insights and opportunities that I've had to learn that have really helped me to become a better version of myself. It feels like modern wisdom is the podcast that I wish that I'd had 10 years ago, because it would have taught me a lot of the things about the world that I really needed to hear. And this is why I love doing it, because if I didn't run this show, I would listen to this show. Like this is the podcast that I want to listen to. I just happen to be an active participant in making it happen. In terms of running away from stuff, there's still some senses of insufficiency, you know, like there is some negative inner voices
Starting point is 00:08:41 that I get if I fall short of my own expectations and they're pretty cutting and pretty brutal at times. It's a lot quieter than it used to be but it's still very much there and like way more than would be optimal. But it is getting better. So I would say maybe 50-50 at the moment in terms of my amount of force and it would be, just trying to make the best of all of the opportunities that I've got at the moment. I really think that the conversations we're having here are super, super important. I appreciate all of you guys for being incredibly sensible and reasonable and having amazing, interesting,
Starting point is 00:09:15 curious conversations in the comments. Or there's this new question sticker that you can do on Spotify, which you may not have seen, which is really cool. And no one else sees that except for me and the guys behind the scenes. So yeah, it's awesome. I really like what we're talking about, and I think it's important. So that's driving me to do more. Romney, congratulations, Chris. What is your attachment style? How was your relationship with
Starting point is 00:09:37 your parents when you were growing up? I love your podcast. Female listener here from Argentina. Thank you, Romney, from South America. I think I'm mostly anxious attachment. Relationship with parents was great. Mum and Dad's looked after me a lot. They were quite stern. They were, you know, I was disciplined and I knew sort of where the lines were. I kind of get the impression that attachment style is very, very heavily heritable, rather than environmentally inculcated. I would love to see some of these studies about crying it out and babies being left on their own replicated and whether or not they do, I think that they would be, I think that you're going to see them struggle. So I don't think that my relationship with my parents growing up would massively impact my attachment style. However, I do have anxious attachment to a degree. I've worked on that too
Starting point is 00:10:29 and that has been helped by having a greater sense of confidence in myself and being more grounded in the things that I'm doing and not playing a role so much. Yeah. Well, man, lifestyle, appreciate all of your insights as well as your guests of the show. It is a massive inspiration to be better every day. Congratulations on 800,000 brother. Cheers to community. Thank you very much. Awesome. Always brings a smile to my face when a man doing good work is being rewarded for it. Keep up the good work. So Patrick Connors, thank you. These are not questions. It's my fault.
Starting point is 00:11:01 How would you say your writing style has changed or developed through the time you've been doing this podcast? Are you trying to actively shape it or do you just want to get better at getting your points across without any stylistic direction in mind? Writing style has changed because of the newsletter. And that has been a massive change because every single week I need to get about 1000 words down. I've become shorter with my writing style, sentences are shorter. I'm trying to shape it to be as simple as possible. I like using cool language, but it doesn't convey as easily over written words as it does when you're hearing it. I think you can afford to be a little bit more flamboyant with your language when you're speaking, but when you're writing, you actually want to optimize just for simplicity and accessibility unless you need to be a little bit more like the boss or whatever.
Starting point is 00:11:53 So yeah, that would be the changes. Grieves underscore Josh, can you tell us more about the project you and James Smith are working on? Soon, yes, very soon. Me and James are going to be launching something this year. Super, super, super excited. Nearly, but not quite yet. Yeah. So well deserved, a little billy. So well deserved, I would not mentally be the same man I am now
Starting point is 00:12:20 without Modern Wisdom. What guest from the last year has challenged you the most intellectually when talking to them? I know there are people I talk to that require me to use a lot of brain power keeping up while others are much less taxing to talk to. That Stephen Shaw episode about population collapse was just it like a out of body experience because it's just such a frame shift around how I thought the entire world was working and what I was, what I thought about the future of humanity. It wasn't difficult to speak to him, but every sentence that he said was causing 10 different questions to arise in my mind. So I would say maybe him.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Hamza El Azawi. Will you have Imangadzi on your podcast? Okay, so I actually kept a secret from you guys up to now, which is we trained a language learning model on 250 podcast episodes that I spoke on and every single blog post that I ever wrote. So we have a crisp spot that supposedly is able to answer questions in as effectively of a way as I would. So I'm gonna ask some of the questions from today to the Chris bot, and we will compare what it says with what I would have said.
Starting point is 00:13:38 And maybe we'll even let it make some decisions. So Hamza asked, will you have Iman Gadzi on your podcast? So I'll ask Chris Bott, will you have Iman Gadzi on your podcast? Iman Gadzi is someone I've been wanting to have on the podcast for a while now. I'm always looking for interesting people to interview and Iman Gadzi definitely fits the bill. I'm hoping to have him on the podcast soon. Decision is made. I will reach out to Iman. I have a mutual friend. Chris Bott is already influencing the progress of this show. Magma Palou. I've just started following your content recently and I've just seen how you used to record podcasts in a not-so-fancy way. That is a very complimentary way of saying
Starting point is 00:14:21 that it was shit. Just because to show we all start somewhere. My question would be, what had kept you going? I just loved the conversations. I've always spoken to people that I'm interested in talking to on the podcast. The most of the, almost every single person that's come on the podcast is because I can't wait to learn from them.
Starting point is 00:14:42 That is the most powerful motivating fuel that I can think of. All that you're going to do is continue to satisfy your curiosity over and over and over and over again. There was no, just because it wasn't fancy, because I wasn't getting as many plays, because no one was, no one cared about the podcast or me or anyone that I was speaking to, I wanted to keep going because it was what I wanted to do. I wasn't doing this for anybody else and you know, it goes back to that question about the guy that earns a ton of money but works in a factory that he hates. You're using an external motivator to motivate yourself because intrinsically, you're not enjoying what you're doing. I was enjoying what I was doing, so it didn't matter about the fact that I started somewhere and that somewhere was a little bit crap.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Tim Kilro is finding a quality woman harder for this generation than it was for my father. Let's ask Chris Bott, whether he thinks that it's more difficult to find a quality woman in this generation. He might throw me under the bus here. I think it's hard to make a generalization about this as everyone's experience is difficult. However, I do think that technology has changed the way we
Starting point is 00:15:48 interact with each other and that can make it harder to find meaningful connections. It's important to take the time to get to know someone and build a strong foundation before making any decisions. Not far off. Technology changed the way we've interact and that makes it harder to make meaningful connections. Yes, next thing, very difficult. I think it's harder for both sides. Also, it's important to take time to get to know someone and build a strong foundation before making any decisions. What do I think about that? Yeah, I think all of those, the Chris spots not done a bad job there. My opinion, Tim, not far off that. There are some challenges that, aren't you? You are competing with a broader competence hierarchy.
Starting point is 00:16:37 There are more men competing for all women. There are more women competing for all men as well. And on top of that, the landscape generally has changed. What people expect has changed. The fact that there is basically an endless number of options means that everyone is going to be next thing. Just looking over the shoulder of who they're with to see if somebody better is going to come down the line. Whereas if you're in a village with 200 people in it, there's 10 that are available and your age. So, yeah, perhaps. available and your age. So yeah, perhaps. Neil Cley, who's got a longer morning routine, you are Ben Greenfield. That would be Ben Greenfield. I think mine has been stripped back,
Starting point is 00:17:14 used to be 90 minutes, and now it's much closer to 40 minutes or so. Get up, meditate, read, start writing, that's the order. Petroob 1984, why the Crocs? Why not the Crocs, Petroob? That's the question that I want to ask. I am a complete croc convert, as far as I can see. They are pretty close to an elite type of footwear. The perfect two car garage for me would be Crocs and Vans, comfy couch vans. So, you know, also for traveling in unbelievable. Rich Thurston, I wonder if this is Mike's brother. Mike Thurston's brother I think is called Richard. If comparison is the thief of joy, to what extent can influencers perpetuate, stash prevent this? PS, thanks for the Cugent back in 2012 when I lost all of my mates.
Starting point is 00:18:07 Okay, my pleasure. I don't remember it either, but if comparison is the thief of joy to what extent can influencers perpetuate slash prevent this, that's a really great question that for each influencer who decides to position or posit this beautiful, aspirational life, other people are then going to start measuring themselves off that. And it's going to cause pain. Given the fact that we are more exposed to this than ever before, that means that more comparison could equal people feeling less and less competent, that they are further and further away from what they would should could be.
Starting point is 00:18:48 To what extent can influencers prevent this is a great question. And I think being more open, honest, vulnerable helps to mediate this. I have the perfect, beautiful Instagram life. And all I do is drink cocktails in the moldeaves and stay in single digit body fat and nothing ever phases me, opening up a little bit more honestly around the challenges that you've got in life.
Starting point is 00:19:13 And all of the times that you fail helps to humanize you and it helps an audience to resonate with what it is that you're saying. Like no one's perfect. Did I've been around some of the best known people on the planet for the last 15 years, right? Whether it be reality TV, people, sport stars, singers, whatever. And now the YouTube and content creation world, everyone's got shit going on behind the scenes. Everybody does. It's important, I think,
Starting point is 00:19:44 for people to open up as much as they can. This doesn't mean talking about your chronic flatulence, or your athlete's foot, or whatever, but opening up as much as you can helps, because it humanizes the people that are up there. And it also means that the world's asymmetry, or that, how do you say like status disparity, or perfection disparity, right?
Starting point is 00:20:07 The perfection disparity between the two is a little bit less. Wales 92, how do you deal with the rapid growth of the podcast subs? Absolutely amazing work. Thank you very much. Yeah, this is also a really good question because I have felt a bit of a difference over the last few months, specifically
Starting point is 00:20:26 probably the last six, which is more attention and more scrutiny and more eyes. And obviously, you know, you do a thing that you care about and you hope that it's successful and you hope that people also care about it, but all of the attention you get isn't necessarily good. And you didn't ask for that not good attention. You just wanted the people that like the stuff that you do. But as you grow, you'd start to reach out into the real internet, like the Fiat 500 Instagram internet. And the more that you do that, the more that you start to suck in people who maybe have an axe to grind who aren't part of the core community. And again, I think credit to the fact that this is a 800 and something thousand person YouTube channel.
Starting point is 00:21:12 And almost every single comment is reasonable, well balanced, well thought out. And even now, people who do comment stuff that is totally unhinged get fact checked by other people who have obviously listened to is totally unhinged get fact checked by other people who have obviously listened to the show for longer and are more reasonable and say that's what are you talking about? That's not the way that you behave basically. So I'm very proud of it, but it is making me not ambiently anxious, but I'm more aware of it and I think I'm going to have to anxious, but I'm more aware of it. And I think I'm going to have to maybe get some more advice from guys that are further ahead than me about how to deal with that attention as it continues to grow. Ian Davidson 39501, thoughts on Patrick Rothfuss's King Killer trilogy. will we ever see part three, Dores of Stone? I love those first two books. If you need a fantasy
Starting point is 00:22:08 duo, it's supposed to be a trilogy, but the third one isn't out yet. It's fantastic. I absolutely adore it. It seems to be a game of who will write the book last between George R.R. Martin and Patrick Rothfuss at the moment. And I really hope that both of them just get it done because they're both getting older. And I want to see how it ends. But yeah, King Killer Trilogy, if anybody needs a new fantasy series, go and check out the first two books. They're awesome. But, CREB, why did you start and stop my tie? I started because I was bored of bodybuilding and bro, bro lift split style training. I needed something new to do. And it was just the right time.
Starting point is 00:22:54 I'd always done martial arts as a kid. I'd done a laogar kung fu to brown sash and a bunch of other stuff. But it was only ever going to be a bit of a stop gap for me because when I got back to the UK I lost a ton of weight because I was doing it out in Thailand and I didn't like the way that I felt. I preferred being heavier and I could just feel better when I'm a heavier guy and I wasn't able to hold onto any mass at all whilst training. I very well may start some striking
Starting point is 00:23:25 up again. I do a little bit here and there maybe once every month or something, I'll just dig about, but yeah, it was fun. Sanjala music. Just thinking about death make you brave a karma in your everyday life. Let's see what Chris bot has to say, okay, Chris bot. Does thinking about death make you braver, karma in your everyday life. I think the following about death can be a powerful reminder to live life to the fullest and make the most of every moment. It can also help to put things into perspective and help us to prioritize what's important.
Starting point is 00:23:58 Ultimately, it can help us to be braver and karma in our everyday life. Chris bot, that's just saying the question back to you. Um, I have to say my real Chris, his opinion is, I don't spend that much time meditating on death. I know that I should do. I know that it would be good to remind me that I have a limited amount of time left here. I don't think about it enough for it to, for me to be able to say what sort of an effect it has, but when I do spend time in nature and I'm made to feel small because of the grandness of the night sky or an awesome tree or, you know, some beautiful animals or whatever, it doesn't make me feel more connected and braver and calmer, so
Starting point is 00:24:37 maybe I should do it more. Cameron Dix, what was the best thing being bullied did to slash for you weirdly phrased? I know. Let's see if Chris Potkin answered this one. Let's get rid of the weirdly phrased, but did two or four you? Come on, Chris Pot. Being bullied taught me the importance of resilience and standing up for myself. It also helped me to develop empathy and compassion for others who are going through similar experiences. It was a difficult time, but ultimately made me a stronger, more understanding person.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Not far off, it's quite diplomatic is Chris Bott, but I'm glad he's doing that as opposed to being a raving bigot. I would say the best thing that it did to me was gave me comfort in being on my own that I have absolutely no concern about working in solitude, living in solitude, dropping my entire life at 33 and moving out to America. It's a double-edged sword, right? A lot of the things that you dislike the most in yourself are the dark side of something that you really appreciate.
Starting point is 00:25:45 And for me, I have always wished that I was more ex-reverted, I always wished that I was able to socialize more easily. And yet, I also take a lot of pride in the fact that I can work on my own. And I don't necessarily need a ton of support around me to just keep on getting things done and pursue toward goals and developments that I like.
Starting point is 00:26:04 So it's both sides of it. Alan Wicks Ted, have you any tips on recovering from a long period of procrastination slash low mood slash inefficiency? Have you made many improvements to personal health, but the thought of opening the laptop and getting shit done is too much sometimes? Yeah, so this is of opening the laptop and getting shit done is too much sometimes. Yeah, so this is, there's an interesting quote from Stephen Pressfield in the War of Art, and he says, a real writer knows that the writing part, that writing isn't the hard part, it's sitting down to write, that's hard. And his point is that almost all of the inertia occurs at the very, very beginning. Tips for recovering from a long period of procrastination,
Starting point is 00:26:45 low mood and inefficiency is focus on biology first. So, hebaman says, you cannot change the mind to the mind, you have to change it with the body. It's not strictly true because of meditation. But I do think that he's right, get moving, get up at the same time, and have hydration, sunlight, hot, cold, train, spend time with friends. Like, you need that base of just good feels.
Starting point is 00:27:07 And then on top of that, you can start to build anything that you want to do, which is more abstract. I would say, set yourself the smallest target that you can. Do it before you do anything else, ideally before you touch your phone first thing in the morning. And a win would be 10 minutes of whatever the work is that you're doing. Okay, 10 minutes is good. Another thing you could use the Zygonic effect, which is leaving a sentence, if you are,
Starting point is 00:27:31 let's say it's writing or whatever, leaving a sentence half finished when you complete your work session for the day, which means that when you begin to restart the next day, you're not beginning from a full stop, you're beginning halfway through a sentence. And, you know, who can't finish a sentence? Everyone can finish a sentence. Oh, then I've halfway through a sentence and who can't finish a sentence. Everyone can finish a sentence. Oh, then I've written half a sentence and then I've written another one and then we're into the flow.
Starting point is 00:27:50 So those are some things that work for me, especially given that I'm writing a lot at the moment. Ba-di-shalla. Doing something you love or doing something that pays well, okay? Chris Bart, that's not be such a Swiss diplomat with this one, okay? I think it's important to have a balance between doing something you look fucks like
Starting point is 00:28:12 and doing something that pays well. It's important to find a job you enjoy that pays you enough to support yourself and your family that way, you can have a fulfilling career and still have financial securities pursue your passions. I would personally say that because the question says
Starting point is 00:28:24 doing something that pays well, not something that pays adequately, do something that you love because again, you're going to look back in 20 years time and all of the money that you earn between now and then you would probably give to have this time back. So you might as well optimize for enjoying the time as opposed to earning as much money as possible. Once you get over that base, it's marginal gains all the way up. It seems like around about sort of $70,000, $80,000, about 60,000 pounds
Starting point is 00:28:52 is a limit. Beyond that, each doubling of money seems to give you an increase in satisfaction, but it's 140, then it's 280, then it's 560, you know, it's an increasingly large amount to get a small dose of, of life satisfaction. So yeah, I would say do something that you love. And then you're always going to be better at that thing in any case. And if you fail, there are always, always, always going to be jobs that you hate that will pay well, waiting for you on the other side of it. Add vet. What's a core value that guides your life right this this is more direct I feel like this is Chris bots right in his wheelhouse one of the core values that that guides my life is to always strive for growth and improvement I believe that we should never stop
Starting point is 00:29:36 learning and growing that we should always be open to new ideas and perspectives this helps me to stay motivated and to push keep pushing myself to be the best version of myself. A bit of repetition there, Chris, but not far off. For me, curiosity is just the most effective one, and the reason is that it's so inbuilt in me, and it keeps my ego small, and it helps me focus on and it helps me focus on satisfying my innate desire to learn. And that always guides me towards stuff which is satisfying and useful. Because if it wasn't interesting to me, it wouldn't do either of those things.
Starting point is 00:30:16 And the presumption is that if I find it useful and interesting, maybe some non-insignificant cohort of other people will do too. And that's the hope for what happens with all of you guys. RemiHids.me. What are your favorite references for solo monologue type podcasts? I don't know what you mean there. When I do the lessons type podcasts, that is usually coming from me taking my favorite
Starting point is 00:30:47 learnings from newsletters that I've done, which you can sign up for at chriswillx.com slash books. And I use Apple notes. If you're looking for the structure, it's always Apple notes. Will Connolly chances of you getting Chris Brown on the podcast after he shared you on his story? Yeah, Chris Brown shared a video of me quoting Holmosey to Holmosey and then quoting a lander bot on to Holmosey to like 150 million people the other day. Didn't expect C breezy to be into bro philosophy, but here we are. A chance of me getting him on the podcast. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Would anyone be interested in Chris Brown? He's a massive time, but I don't know what, like other than being, you know, a very successful performing artist and having a history with Rihanna, I don't really know what he's done, but maybe, I guess, the Rufus. What was your experience on Diary of a CEO? Like, So we got tons of questions about that Instagram reel and this diary Vaseo thing. I really enjoyed it. It was an intense period because I'd been with Homo Zin Vegas the day before, two days before, and then went for dinner with Stephen the night before we recorded for five hours until God knows what time.
Starting point is 00:32:01 Got up the next day packed, ready to go, recorded, direvisio, and went from there to LAX to fly from LA to Qatar, 16 hours direct. So it was kind of a whirlwind. The operation that Steve's got there, despite the fact that we kind of do the same thing, the daily experience of what's going on is very different for both of us. You know, Steven's got a really sophisticated team, which is very enviable and like it's a machine to watch. So that definitely gave me a little bit of a nudge to say, look, perhaps you should relinquish a little bit of control. You don't need to do that every single thing because Steven is able to farm that out to other people
Starting point is 00:32:47 that are competent and good at what they do and his life hasn't come crashing down around him. So the operational side of things was interesting. Stephen's a good interviewer. We've known each other for quite a long time and he gives a lot of space, which I enjoy. You don't ever feel rushed, which is good. The recreation of his, like, house studio thing in LA was hilarious. So I enjoyed seeing how that worked. And we spoke about all of the stuff that I'm interested in. We spoke about, you know, the sort of whole bro philosophy stuff, insights about life, lessons that I've learned, mating problems, challenges for guys, challenges for girls, and it's performing really, really well, which is nice. It's good when new people hear things that they're maybe unfamiliar
Starting point is 00:33:37 with and it opens their eyes, and for every single person that is here off the back of the episode, you know, for every single person that is here off the back of the episode. Welcome. Designs by Jesse, how do you use your knowledge from your podcasts in your personal life? I try and apply it as much as possible because mental masturbation is not particularly good for anyone and if you are very much in your head, just constantly being cerebral, you can end up having that happen. An awful lot. Trying to think how can I apply this, does this grow any corn, as I said on Steven's show? Show me how I can use this. How does this impact my daily actions? Seems to be a good prompt and it works for me, but it's difficult. Like, you know, there's way, way, way more knowledge than there is time to apply it and memory capacity to remember the thing that you're supposed to apply to stuff. Add ham, zero, eight, seven, seven. Are you planning
Starting point is 00:34:37 on getting Jonathan Height to the show? Let's ask Chris bot again, Chris bot. Are you planning on getting Jonathan Height to the show? I would love to have Jonathan Height on the show. He is an incredibly insightful thinker and I'm sure he would have a lot of valuable insights to share. I'm definitely looking into it and hopefully I can make it happen soon. Looks like Jonathan Height is also coming on the show. Thanks ChrisBot. I wonder if there's anyone that Chris, but let's see this. Would you bring, bring Hitler on the podcast? No, I would not bring Hitler on the podcast. Chris, but it's got spine. I like this guy. We have found that somewhere in between Imangadzi, Jonathan Height and Hitler is a line that
Starting point is 00:35:27 Chris Bot will not cross. So let's just keep going. Hi Chris, what is one piece of advice you would give to your younger self 10 years ago? Okay, let's try, let's see if Chris Bot can come up with this. He's already really stuck his flag in the ground about Hitler. Hi Chris, what is one piece of advice you would give to your younger self ten years ago? One piece of advice I would give to my younger self ten years ago is to take more risks and be more open to new experiences. Life is short and it's important to take chances and try new things. Don't be afraid to take risks and step outside of your comfort zone.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Not far off. That would definitely be one of them. Probably just have faith that everything's going to be fine because I operate a lot of the time from I have operated from a place of fear. Scarcity concern that I'm going to look stupid or that everything's going to come crashing down or it's all going to fall apart or the sort of rampant imposter syndrome thing. Nothing really, that didn't improve my performance. Almost none of it contributed to getting from where I was to where I am. So I could have gotten rid of all of it and just enjoyed the experience more. So I think fearing less would have probably been a good piece of advice.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Almost everybody that's listening to this is going to be absolutely fine, no matter what they face. Every single challenge that you have come up against up to now, you have surpassed. By virtue of you being here, the fact that you are sat here listening to this means that you've survived. So therefore, why would you presume to all of the things that you fear right now have any validity either? They probably don't. Uh, MedusewTF are opinionated women less attractive. Oh, that's interesting. Are opinionated women less attractive?
Starting point is 00:37:19 I would say very dependent on what opinion it is. If it's a strongly opinionated woman about the Jews may be more difficult to get turned on. opinionated women less, I don't think it mediates attraction massively, it's not strongly opinion, it's just opinionated. No, I would say no. opinionated women, no. Women who have absolutely no opinion at all are so passive that they basically become like a maid. You want something, right? You need
Starting point is 00:37:53 you're having a conversation and if what do you think about this, what's your opinion on such and such, and it's just if there's never any response, what are you going to be attracted to? Like, you're not having a conversation. It's like speaking to a mirror or an empty room, I suppose. Strongly opinionated women, I guess, sometimes that might be correlated with high disagreeability. That, to me, is less attractive. I highly disagreeable women for some of my friends.
Starting point is 00:38:21 They love that kind of spark and that kind of push back and push and pull type thing. That's not my bag, but for some people it is. On average, I would say opinionated women, relatively neutral, very heavily opinionated women, sometimes maybe less good. Behind the catch lights, male-slash female relations divide, grow further, or do you expect a positive tipping point when? I think this is will, male and female relation, the divide between men and women and their relations grow further, or do you expect a positive tipping point? Another really great question. I would say, I would like to think that it's going to turn around. This is heavily going to be mediated by what people learn. I think that the way that we go about our relationships, increasingly, I'm believing
Starting point is 00:39:17 the fact that the way we go about our relationships is mimetic. So we see the way that other people behave. We see the sorts of behavior that we believe is acceptable by the kinds of behavior that other people do around us. And then we model that for what we want in our relationship. And what you end up with is kind of like a curve that goes either up or curve that goes down. Almost like the COVID are number because as more of one particular type of relationship occurs, publicly you get more people emulating that, which shows more people, which shows more people, and so on and so on. I don't know. To be honest, at the moment, it could go either way. I'm not massively, I'm not today, I've woken up and I'm not feeling massively confident about it.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Other days, I do feel a little bit more confident, but today, I think that there needs to be a rather large cultural flashpoint. Almost like, not like a reverse me too, but like, kind of like how me to sort of capture the culture so much, but something that brings everybody together and makes them realize that you're not supposed to be each other's adversaries, that women should care about men falling behind, that men should care about women feeling lonely and retreating into careers and the challenge of blending a career with maybe wanting
Starting point is 00:40:36 to be a mother, but they're not being sure if that's just the patriarchy conning them into it. All of that kind of needs to happen, and it really needs to happen right now. So that's the plan. That's what would fix it. Whether or not it's going to happen anytime soon, I don't know. But it can't keep going like this for much longer.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Or else, we're going to be so far apart that no one can ever have a conversation again. Cammy.brown. Do you think growing up in a working class environment has been more of a plus than a negative? I would personally say that it's been a massive plus to me. It's helped to keep my feet on the ground. It's meant that I basically have no materialistic desires at all. In terms of the negatives of it, you don't understand just how grand your plans could be. I'm never going to build a business
Starting point is 00:41:27 or grow a company to the size of somebody who was around completely unbounded blue sky, helicopter thinking, belief, entrepreneurs, the parents spent all of the time with them between the ages of five and 20 or something because I just, I don't have that fundamental model. But I think from a personal level, it actually helps you to be much more satisfied with a much lower level of materialistic success. So yeah, I, you know, there are positives and minuses on both sides. I would say personally
Starting point is 00:42:00 that I'm glad that I had the working class upbringing that I did. Craig Pollett, do you agree with Stephen Pinker's claims that now is the best time in human history? I'm going to ask Chris Bott. Does he know who Stephen Pinker is? Does he understand that it's the best time in human history? I think Stephen Pinker makes some valid points, but I don't necessarily agree with his overall claim that now is the best time in human history.
Starting point is 00:42:24 Interesting. There are still many challenges and injustices that need to be addressed. I think it's important to recognize that while there have been some improvements, there's still a lot of work to be done. Chris Bott went woke there a little, didn't he? Injustices, challenges and injustices. There are challenges and injustices, but yeah, it's objectively by far the best time to live in human history. However, think about the base of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. If you've got all of the bottom stuff, the food, the shelter, the social connection sorted, even if it's through social media, you actually have the opportunity to deal with an existential crisis. No caveman 30,000 years ago was wondering whether he was enacting his logos forward and speaking
Starting point is 00:43:06 his truth, contributing to the universe and the astral realm in the best way possible, because he was worried that he was going to be killed or stabbed or freeze to death tomorrow night. Oddly, an existential crisis is a luxurious position to be in. It's just not one that is necessarily often given a whole lot of sympathy. It's like, poor little comfortable 21st century people complaining about the fact that they can't enact their logos and and you know, master their universe properly. It is still difficult. Like, getting to that stage
Starting point is 00:43:37 of development is one that very few humans have had to deal with before. So we don't have a massive amount or we don't have as an equivalent amount of advice on what to do when you get there. So from a foundational perspective, yes, best time to exist in human history by far medical advances, safety from climate, etc, etc, etc, etc, psychologically actually probably coming off the other side of that. Oh, maybe, maybe actually now I'm thinking about maybe 20 years ago was better. I wonder whether, again, this is on average, you're talking about places that are in your extreme poverty. For people that are mostly listening to this podcast, I would maybe be tempted to say
Starting point is 00:44:14 that 2004 was perhaps a slightly more psychologically stable time than now, that is wild to think that it might have been better 20 years ago. That's a first time I've ever thought of that. Interesting. Bradley Ronmack, will you ever be a pickleball world champion? No, I won, but I'm good friends with Zayn Navratil, who is the current number three ranked men's player in the world. And I've tried to play him on the courts just over there and the guys on playable. The difference, the chasm between me, a casual recreational pickleball player and him is unbelievably vast. So I'm going to say no.
Starting point is 00:45:01 Ling Mikhailian, will you invite Posey Parker to Modern Wisdom? This is the lady who has been involved in a bunch of, kind of like protests and riots in Australia at the moment. I think she's doing some stuff to do with feminism. I'm not familiar with her work, but I am kind of interested in learning more stuff about her. I feel like I've got in my watch later playlist on YouTube. I feel like I've got more stuff from her. CL, I just want to say thank you. I've watched some of your videos and had a really good discussion afterward with my teenage son. It's helped me understand the world as he sees it. That's very cool. That's awesome. Thank you. I love how diverse the people that listen to the show is as well.
Starting point is 00:45:47 That's awesome. Thank you. I love how diverse the people that listen to the show is as well. It's that's really great and if your son is you know even taking 1% of the best stuff that comes from the show I'm sure that he's going to be an absolute killer Mike Congratulations Chris. What are the steps you went through to build your social circle or that you would follow now if you were to start from nothing at 20 How about 30 or 40? Okay, so I'm going to crisp-bot this, but we'll just do it from 20. What are the steps that you went through?
Starting point is 00:46:11 Come on, crisp-bot. Let's give us an interesting one. What are the steps that you went through to build your... If I were to start from nothing at 20, I would focus on building relationships with people who share similar interests and values. I would also try to get involved in activities and organisations that I'm passionate about. This is a good way to meet like minded people. Additionally, I would make an effort to be open and friendly to everyone I meet, as this can help to build strong connections.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Finally, I would make sure to stay in touch with the people I meet and nurture those relationships over time. That's not bad. That's not bad from Chris Bought, especially the last thing which is to keep in touch. I went to places that had people in that were like the sort of people that I wanted to be friends with. So I wanted to be friends with people that did fitness. I started doing CrossFit. I wanted to be friends with people that are red and were into sort of rationality and existential risks. So I joined the Leicesteron community out here in Austin. Keeping in touch is a really, really important point because it's not just about meeting
Starting point is 00:47:10 someone, it's about keeping on top of that. And you would not believe how many people suck super hard at maintaining friendships. Even if you meet somebody and then just drop a message a couple of days later, hey man, great to meet you. You fancy going for a coffee next week. It's not going to work every single time, but it makes such a huge difference. And it means that over time you will start to grow that social circle out. And that's been a big help for me. So seven out of 10 responds from Chris Botter. OG listeners are fortunate enough to know your original motivations behind the podcast, but as you reach almost one million subscribers, speak to guests with that
Starting point is 00:47:45 on content, contentions, and get clipped down into endless short-from videos, what do you think a new subscriber might misunderstand about your motivations or your character, what gets lost in translation amongst the masses? That is an elite question. What do you think a new subscriber might misunderstand about your motivations or your character?
Starting point is 00:48:05 So it's kind of what I said before, like I'm way too blue-pilled and in the eyes of the Manosphere community, it's like I'm just cooking for women because I'm playing the politically correct correct role because I can't wait to get like a hosting slot on fucking channel for or something. And then for somebody that comes from a more left-leaning perspective or someone that is part of the 500 club or a Guardian reader, I'm going to look like a raving misogynist, big-at-budget Andrew Tate. So I think there are a lot of ways that people could misunderstand this if you are getting clipped down into endless short-form videos. That being said, I honestly feel like the conversations that I have on the show are, it would be struggle, it would be hard for me to be more reasonable, it would be hard for me to find guests that come on and are more caveated, I feel like I'm finding the line of where guests
Starting point is 00:49:02 say things where I'm like, hang in a second, like, is that really what you think? Do we need to play devil's advocate here? Have you got a reference for that? T-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t podcast, YouTube, people that have maybe either watched the full thing or heard what I've done before, interpreted it. It saw a different person, sort of a different video, right, to what this saw on Instagram. But this is what I was saying before, that the more content that gets put out there, the more opportunities there are for people to misinterpret, misconstrued, artificially, uh, manipulate what it is that you've done or said, uh, and claim that that is you, right? They're saying that this is the tip of the iceberg and you don't know the bigoted, raving racist or whatever it is that's, that's lurking below the debts. Tate said that he realized as his platform grew that he had to be more careful about the
Starting point is 00:50:08 things that he said because it reaches more people which basically gives it a greater opportunity to be misconstrued. So maybe you do need to just be more precise as you keep on growing. But at the moment, you know, I'm really, really happy with how everything has gone. I'm confident that at some point within the next few years. There will be some sentence that falls out of my mouth that I say in a bumbled way that is taken in a bad manner. But you go, okay, there's a thousand hours behind me of me not being the raving, like, du-hating misogynist or whatever that I'm being accused of,
Starting point is 00:50:48 probably easier to presume that it was an error or imprecise speech than me finally unveiling my KKK membership. Jordy Shaw. High-cress, you mentioned to read more articles on Substack. You mentioned you read more articles on Substack. You mentioned you read more articles on Substack than books these days. Can you share your top Substack articles you must read before you die list? I might put this together. I might do an article list as a addition to the reading list. Certainly, Substacks that you should check out, Rob Back out Rob Henderson's is fantastic. Gwinda Borgles is fantastic.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Astral Codex 10 by Scott Alexander is great. Experimental history by Adam Masriani is also great and pirate wires by Mike Salana. All great reads. Andrea with the bangs. You've mentioned the idea that words and declarations mean more than actions in the edge of social media. What does this mean to you? How do you prioritize practicing what you preach in your own life?
Starting point is 00:51:53 This is kind of the same as what I said before that you can do the mental masturbation thing and come out on the other side realizing that you've learned an awful lot and enacted basically nothing. I try as best I can to live out the strategies that I care about. I'm so far from perfect, right? I literally couldn't be further from perfect, but the bar is set so high. Like, perfect is beyond unreachable. Prioritizing, practicing what I preach is just how can I apply this? Does it grow corn?
Starting point is 00:52:27 What does this look like when I try and take it and make it actionable? This is the same with everything that you learn. If you just allow all of the content to come over you, to wash over you, and then eventually you're going to hear something that goes, oh, holy fuck, I can't not see that, I can't and see it. Okay, build the habit around that one. Don't try and force the habit on the thing that sounds like you should do it, but you have absolutely no desire to. Think about the thing that hits you through the heart and you go,
Starting point is 00:52:52 I roll over and spend 45 minutes every single night checking my phone before I go to bed. Okay, practice that. Put it outside of your room. Or I do, you know, X, Y, and Z whatever it is take the thing that resonates Apply it as hard as you can Don't miss two days in row. That's a rule Greg Lunt how big is your team and in what areas are you looking to expand? Let's see if Chris bought knows how big the team is knows how big the team is. My team currently consists of myself, my video editor, Dean, and a few other people who help with the podcast and other projects.
Starting point is 00:53:31 We're looking to expand our team in the areas of content creation, marketing and social media. He's got our obriss skis. You knew about Dean. That's good. A few other people who help with the podcast that will be Ben. We just brought on a new guy called Chase. He is looking after some of the YouTube stuff.
Starting point is 00:53:49 And I would love to get a business manager and a producer on because it would make life an awful lot easier. Adam, question. Will people stop buying books? Now you can just listen to podcasts with the author going into greater detail about the book. I find myself doing this a lot. I would say yes to degree. But when you do listen to an author where even a three hour conversation only scratches the surface of a book, there will be times where you just have to go out and buy it, and this is why the podcast tours for authors are being so successful because it is the front end of their funnel. It's capturing people with cool stuff, and then they dig down and watch more. Mark Cushion, two guests I'd
Starting point is 00:54:26 really like to see on the show True Jodie and Darren Brown any chance. So me and Brian, True Jodie have been talking for quite a while. I think we'll probably do something before the end of the year. Darren Brown, I would absolutely love to bring him on. I think he's fascinating, but I don't have an in with him yet. So hold on tight. Jason Brady, do you think Homozi is the Neval of his generation? I think Neval is the Neval of his generation. Homozi is a really, really impressive operator. I love the bro philosophy stuff. I love the fact that he's got real world applicable evidence that he's done these things that he's not just lapping about it and he's not just doing the mental masturbation thing, but Navale is a different breed of human. He is,
Starting point is 00:55:12 his insights are phenomenal and I really, I very much miss him being more active on the sort of content creation circuit, but hopefully that'll change. And if it does, I will be sat here waiting, waiting for him, waiting to, to pounce with an email, fit and Nancy, looking back, how did you make it so big and so quick in the podcast world? I don't think I did, man, like it's taken half a decade and 600 and something episodes to get to really even a remotely appreciable size where anybody cares about what I'm doing. So I don't think I have made it very quick.
Starting point is 00:55:55 There are people whose ascension has been basically vertical, Brett Cooper, launched the podcast, or launched her channel a year ago, a year and a couple of months ago, and she's at two million subs. But I don't, I don't not care. I love the fact that the show is growing, and I love the fact that people resonate with what I care about. But nothing's changed.
Starting point is 00:56:14 Me and Dean always felt like the podcast was under-subscribed because the conversations that we were having were sometimes very different to what you could get, because I was finding people that to me were personally interesting and they weren't doing the circuit. So, because nothing's ever changed, it's very strange that what we do is the same thing. It's the same Facebook messenger thread that we talk back with and forward on about thumbnail amends
Starting point is 00:56:40 and what guests are coming up and stuff. The only thing that's changed is the fact that we've done it for so long that there's now this army of people that watch. The most important things have happened in terms of growth, if that's the question, are just being consistent, being consistent, finding big guests, having good conversations and getting better at doing the craft, which happens because you've done it consistently. That guy Pete, you refuse to invite to gatherings. I've seen Pete comment on a bunch of different episodes and his comments usually are pretty good. How has deep diving into evolutionary psychology affected how you navigate relationships in real life? True to form, that guy Pete. Good question.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Let's see what Chris bot says. How is deep diving into evolutionary psychology affected? How you navigate relationships in real life? Exploring evolutionary psychology has helped me to better understand underlying motivations behind human behavior. Good. This is enabled me to better navigate relationships in real life by being more aware of the underlying dynamics at play. Okay. It has also helped me to be more mindful of my own behavior and to be more conscious of how my actions might affect others. That was a bit shit. It is difficult in some regards, like I said before, there is a period where you don't see people as people. You see them as just a collection of inputs and signals and incentives that are kind of like manipulating them,
Starting point is 00:58:06 like a marionette on strings. And that's a little disconcerting because you start to see code instead of seeing matrix and it can feel disquieting manipulative in a way, not that you're necessarily being manipulative, but when you start to deconstruct why people do the things that they do, it takes you out of just the enjoyment or the natural sensation of just being with the person doing the thing,
Starting point is 00:58:38 always asking that question, even if you asked it before, now having the answer kind of, it's jarring. So, you know, for the people that are into the epist of, Even if you've asked it before, now having the answer, it's jarring. For the people that are into the EP stuff, I think that this is just a price that you have to pay. There's that, a land of bottom quote, the one that Chris Brown shared.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Loneliness is a kind of tax you have to pay to a tone for a certain complexity of mind. I wonder whether discordance is a kind of tax you have to pay to a tone for a certain depth of evolutionary psychology insight. We will see. L's, have you ever, or would you ever record a podcast and dislike how it went enough to not post it? You know, I've never been asked this question before and I thought that this would be something that would have come up.
Starting point is 00:59:22 There are a bunch of podcasts that I've recorded that have never seen the light of day. Most of the time it is because the guest just wasn't having a particularly good day for one reason or another and my goal is to keep producing content I would listen to. If I ask myself would I listen to this podcast? Would I enjoy listening to this podcast? And the answer is no. I'm asking for a lot from you, even at two-time speed, you know, you're still giving me 45 minutes of eating day. I can't, in all good conditions, I can't put out an episode that doesn't,
Starting point is 00:59:55 it doesn't add value. And if it doesn't make the guests look good, because, you know, they were, they weren't performing particularly well, it's not a positive for them to reach, you know, cumulative couple of million followers across all platforms, burbling and bumbling and stumbling over their words. Stoicism, underscore, enjoyer. I'm 13, holy fuck, okay. What should I do with my life? What books to read? What business to start? Watch your main focus, be. PS, big fan of your podcast since 80,000 subs mind-blowing to see you
Starting point is 01:00:33 10x so quickly. We were at 80,000 subs three years ago, two years ago, two and a half years ago, two years ago? Three, two and a half years ago, we were 80,000 subs. So you've been listening since you were 11 or 10. What should I do with my life at 13? Look, I don't want to be patronizing. I think that you're asking the right questions, which is very important, but I think that you're asking the right questions, which is very important, but I think that just getting on with sinking into the experience of being a human, all
Starting point is 01:01:11 of the main learnings that you're going to get are going to come from socializing, interacting with other people, having real world experiences. I would spend as little time as possible on the internet. I would spell as little time as possible on your phone and on social media. I would find it, I mean, you sound like you're fucking 21, stoicism and joy. So I would maybe try and hang out with some people that are a little bit older than you. They're going to be on your level. You do not need to start business at age 13. It would be cool if you could. Maybe there's something that you can see where you have access and you can leverage the fact that you are so much further ahead at such a younger age. If you were to start a business, I would be looking at something that you have a specific
Starting point is 01:01:56 piece of technical advantage in. So insight to around what other 13-year-olds want at this age, and then how can I get this out onto the internet leverage it, you need something that isn't going to cost a lot, so a digital course would be great. You don't want to really be doing drop shipping and like, sending a bunch of fidget spinners to your parents house so that you can try and sell them in school, trying to arbitrage bottles of prime. I wouldn't focus on that. But dude, I mean, you're asking questions that are, the people that are literally twice your age haven't asked themselves. So keep on thinking deeply. Focus on enjoying life,
Starting point is 01:02:31 have as many experiences as possible. In terms of books to read, essentially isn't by Greg McEwan, way of the superior man by David Dada, at Tomic Habits by James Clear, probably something to do with health and fitness, which would be great. The Align Method by Aaron Clear, probably something to do with health and fitness, which would be great. The Align Method by Aaron Alexander, Kelly Sturett's new built to move, Pete Ratiers,
Starting point is 01:02:50 new outlive, business to start something online. Watch it in my main focus, be just enjoy life, bro. You don't get like the child years back. So keep listening to modern wisdom, but other than that, get off the internet, enjoy life and you are going to be an absolute killer in no time at all Night league did you ever think you would become a famous million sub YouTuber on your first day starting your channel? The first first first day starting my channel was in 2017 We recorded a failed episode. They never never went out when the podcast was called mind and matter
Starting point is 01:03:26 I had no idea what was going to happen. I always wanted to just have interesting conversations and now there's just more people watching. I have no complaints. Little broomstick, how much of the current toxic elements of the pilosphere, pilosphere, manosphere do you believe are attributable to young men being left out of dating? And sexual relationships early as teenage and young men, I 13 to 25 before men enter prime earning years. I don't quite understand men being left out of dating and sexual relationships. Okay, so is the fact that younger guys aged 18 to 25 are having less dating and sexual encounters, contributing to the proliferation of red pill, black pill, etc. and the manosphere stuff? Yeah, perhaps I think, you know, a good
Starting point is 01:04:19 part of what's going on with MIGTOW, black pill,, Inselculture, Redpill, Manusphere, High Value, Low Value Man, and then on the other side, sort of Boss-Bitch, Leaning Culture, R-Slash Female Dating Strategy, all of that tradwife, all of those movements on both sides, maybe slightly less tradwife. What's happening is these are copes from both sides of the aisle on, we are struggling in the mating market, we need to find a solution for it. The solution is band together of the shared hatred of an outgroup, usually point the finger at the other sex. So yeah, actually, certainly the toxic elements of it would be eased an awful lot if young guys were having real world interactions with women because they would realize that it's not the
Starting point is 01:05:08 The the group of girls that The internet tells you are out there waiting for you to hijack all of your earnings and run off with your brother and your left leg Then they're very very difficult to find The problem is that because not many guys have got real world experience to disprove that, how are they going to actually have any advice other than what they've read on the internet? So yeah, I think that might be right. Fit, barber, why why see? What's it like living with a maniac? Like Zach Talander, Zack is fantastic to live with. We get on very, very well. He is a great influence on me and he helps to keep me upbeat and positive. And I think that I helped to make him nice and focused. So it's not as maniacal as you might think. Xavier, can you please invite Lex Friedman? Lex came to my birthday a couple of weeks ago that Michael Malis did at his house, which is very nice of him, and he will be on the show
Starting point is 01:06:08 eventually. The guy is busy. He's trying to make robots to save the world and automate his luncheon. Whatever it is, he's doing big things. So it'll happen. It's just a case of one. Wake up. What's the number one bad habit that has held you back for the longest time? This sounds like a good Chris Bot question. What's the number one bad habit that's held you back for the longest time? The number one bad habit that's held me back for the longest time is procrastination. I often find myself putting up tasks and projects until the last minute, which can lead to stress and poor quality work. I'm working on becoming more mindful of my time and making sure I'm taking action on the things that are important to me. I would have said probably my phone.
Starting point is 01:06:45 Phone does cause me to procrastinate, but just phone use. I don't like how much time I spend on my phone. I wish I didn't. I don't spend, you know, forever out. I don't know what my average screen time is per day, but it's more than I want. And the story that I tell myself around my phone use is also like that sucks. It's not good. Erray. Honest opinion of Dubai. Ever see yourself living there. Chris bot. Come on. Let's do this. Honest opinion of Dubai.
Starting point is 01:07:15 Ever see yourself living there. I think Dubai is an amazing city with a lot to offer. It's a great place to visit and explore and I could definitely see myself living there one day. Culture and architecture are fascinating. The city has a lot of energy and vibrancy. Yeah, I think it's a good place to live and work and I would love definitely see myself living there one day. Culture and architecture fascinating. The city has a lot of energy and vibrancy, yeah. I think it's a good place to live and work and I would love to experience it for myself one day. I've been, I've been Chris Bott, I've been fucking tons of times. I could see myself living there, but it would probably mostly be for the tax, to be honest,
Starting point is 01:07:40 it's great for short trips, but starting a family there, probably not. There isn't a massive amount of sort of nature, or at least nature in the way that I, not unless you think that sand is nature. It's not very, how would you say, appropriate for dogs, a big dog person. I really like it, and a lot of my friends that are out there are loving it, but I don't think they're probably going to settle down there. So I could see myself living there for a short period of time, but in terms of settling down for forever home, probably not.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Ben 7. Have you ever suffered with anxiety or depression? Come on, Chris Bart. This is a nice up front question for you to ask. Yes, I have suffered with anxiety and depression in the past. It was a difficult time, but I was able to get through it with the help of therapy and medication. This is just a lie, I'm afraid.
Starting point is 01:08:32 I'm now in a much better place and I'm grateful for the support I received. Didn't do really any therapy, never been medicated. So, Chris bot is, he's having a bad day so far. I have suffered with anxiety and depression, mostly depression throughout my 20s. It's rough man, like, you know, being ashamed about the fact that you feel sad and you have nothing to feel sad about was the worst part of it. So, you know, my depression would manifest by me being in bedbound for, you know, a few days at a time,
Starting point is 01:09:08 maybe once every few months. And because I was the owner, director of my own company, no one could tell me where I needed to be. I could make excuses, I could get other people to go and do stuff for me. And then it would usually happen in between two appointments or events or whatever, where I actually had to be there, where I couldn't not be there.
Starting point is 01:09:27 And I would just spend this time, line bed, each at food, not open the curtains, not want to do anything, hate myself, like just real, real low mood. And it would happen consistently, like a lot throughout my 20s. Sleep pattern was a massive, massive contributor to that and fixing the sleep pattern, fixing awful lot of everything that happened downstream. I always thought that I was depressed for a good chunk of it, turned out I was
Starting point is 01:09:56 heavily, heavily sleep deprived, and then a bunch of other things too. But it's not fun. And I'm very, very glad that I'm in a place now where there's still that person still in me. But the voice and the tenor of them are much more quiet. I do sometimes wonder what would happen, what will happen if I enter one of those stages, what I've still got the show to do, and if I've got to, you know, turn up and try and have a conversation with somebody, maybe it's a big guest, or maybe it, I don't know, I don't ever want to come and put on a face and pretend that everything's fine and dandy in my own life to you guys because I've tried
Starting point is 01:10:46 to be really truthful and open and vulnerable. But I also don't want to be the guy that comes on and goes, I may have everything going today and me to respond to the guest and say that I hate myself and I spent the last three days in bed with curtains closed, eating paparjons. So yeah, I am very glad that the progress that I've made and I do not miss that texture of my own mind. My Iron Man journey, why is there so much body positivity around plus sized women but so little for men? Chris bot, come on, let's see. Step into the fire, Chris bot, tell us, why is there so much body positivity? I think that there is a lack of body positivity for men
Starting point is 01:11:34 because the traditional gender roles and expectations that have been placed on them, men are often expected to be strong and muscular, and any deviation from this can be seen as a sign of weakness. I think it's important to recognize that all body types are valid and to celebrate the diversity of my spotty's. Chris bought to come on. That's a really good question. I've asked this question a ton. I did a video with Zach a little while ago about how the comparison between women's lingerie photos on a website and male underwear photos,
Starting point is 01:12:09 and all of the guys were peeled out of their mind and all of the women were bigger girls. The barefaced answer is that body positivity is a virtue signal that proselytizes to the world about the fact that you care about people of all sizes, especially women of all sizes, but there is no movement which is praising like bigger men. There is a lot of movements that are praising bigger women. Therefore, all of the body positivity is aimed toward the group that looks like it needs help. Guys have had it good for so long. Why should a guy that isn't in shape be given any sort of recompense?
Starting point is 01:12:53 It is usually all done to the women. Another part of this, which I've spoken about a ton and I really love this concept, is that male self-development sees the person as mutable and the world as immutable. So it's the male's job to change himself because the world's not going to change for him. Female self-development sees the person as immutable and the world as mutable, which is you are already perfect as you are. The world needs to change around you. And I think that this is massively patronizing to women.
Starting point is 01:13:19 Like if I was a woman and that was what the world was telling me, you don't need to worry. Let us move all of these obstacles out of your way with Marvel series and movies or Disney or whatever. I think fuck you. I'm a competent, agentic person that can do her own shit. I don't need you to do this for me. But given the fact that body positivity is warping the world around women of different
Starting point is 01:13:42 sizes and men for the most part are being told like better get in the gym buddy Emily may start do you think people have too high expectations of relationships now? Maybe two degree yeah actually um and this is on both sides of the fence I think that uh But two degree, yeah, actually. And this is on both sides of the fence. I think that it is very, very easy to presume that because you have access to such a huge pool of partners, there is always going to be something more optimal for you, right? You're going to look over the shoulder of whoever you're with to just see what's coming next. Next thing is what Logan Uri called it, people want their soulmate, their sexual paramour, their best friend, their future partner and razor of their children,
Starting point is 01:14:36 their pillar of their community. But who will we to say that you shouldn't ask for that from a relationship? I don't know. Obviously, if you have two high standards, it means that you're going to end up either alone or permanently unsatisfied. So, individually, it's suboptimal. Society, it's suboptimal, because it means that fewer and fewer people are getting together. It's very difficult, like, I'm struggling to find a way to say you shouldn't do it, because it sounds a lot like me saying you should settle. I'm like, well, if I can help, that doesn't seem like a very firm ground for me to stand on. But basically, to a degree, you will have to compromise. There is going to be someone out there that is
Starting point is 01:15:14 90% or 95% right? But if you don't like the fact that they slurped their tea on a morning or that Slurp that tea on a morning or that they wear bell bottom or fled Jeans instead of tight jeans or something like look is this really a non-negotiable for you? Are you are you just nitpicking because you want to try and find 100 because 100 maybe out there But it's basically going to be impossible. So two degree. Yeah, maybe dialing that back would be a good idea Jay Jason 1989 top five books for self-development. I am going to ask Chris Bott, what he thinks the top 5 books for self-development are, because he can't weedle his way out of this one.
Starting point is 01:15:55 Number 1. The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. Not bad. Number 2. The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey. Never Read It. Number 3. How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. Never Read it. Number four, the four agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz, read half of it. Number five, the alchemist by Palo Coelo, got like one and a half right alchemist would probably be in there. Atomic habits, essentialism by Greg McEwan. Let's say the alchemist because Chris Bott said it. What else would I put in there? The APU understood the universe by Steve Stuart Williams. And let's say the wave of the superhuman by David Dada. However, there is a list of 100 books that you can read before you die if you go to chriswalex.com
Starting point is 01:16:40 slash books. Go on. Escaping mediocrity. How do you judge the potential of a guest? Interesting person breath of breath of knowledge, breath of knowledge. Yes. Um, it's whether or not I'm interested in them, whether or not I want to hear them say things on a podcast. The, at the moment, what I'm realizing is someone's ability to communicate is probably the
Starting point is 01:17:06 Titus bottleneck of all of the different things. You can have someone that has amazing insights, but if they're really struggling to get them out of their mouth, it's basically unlistenable. And you can have someone that's got, you know, acceptable, moderate lessons about life and the world, but a really, really great candor and the way that they speak and they are compelling storyteller, they're phenomenal. So I think optimizing toward good storytelling, good communication is great, which is why, yeah, just am I going to be interested in this person is the best litmus test because that's going to take into account all of that stuff above.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Holy wall. Can I offer you a free sports massage when you're in Sydney, James Convouch, presumably James Smith? Sure. For the people that don't know, we've been advertising for dates for the tour and a lot of listeners are in Australia. So it would seem that I'm going to Australia and Sydney at some point.
Starting point is 01:18:06 David Vertlib advice for social anxiety slash public speaking. I have only done a little bit of public speaking. So I'm not massively familiar with that. Given the fact that I'm about to do a live tour, probably going to have to spend a good bit of time getting over that. For social anxiety, no one cares what you're doing. Nobody cares about you at all. Every single person is completely wrapped up in their own lives. When you walk into a room, no one's looking at you. When you drop a glass of Coke down the front of your top, no one cares, no one remembers, when you leave within 20 seconds, no one gives a shit.
Starting point is 01:18:52 There is nothing more liberating than realizing how indifferent the rest of the world is to what you're doing. You are the center of your own universe and you basically don't even exist in anybody else's. That should be the best answer, the best antidote to social anxiety that I can think of. Dr. Direct, that's a good name. A lot of you podcasters at the top have the same sponsors, do you truly believe in their products? So I'm guessing that this would be stuff like athletic greens and better help and maybe
Starting point is 01:19:29 I don't know what else, man'scaped. So every single sponsor that I have on the show I use, athletic greens I use every single day, element I use every single day, man'scaped, I don't need to use every single day, thankfully, but I use it on the days that I need to use it. day, thankfully, but I use it on the days that I need to use it. I truly do, you truly believe in their product, I do. I can't speak for all of the rest of the guys, but there are more people that want to sponsor the show than slots I have on the show. Therefore, I mean, the luxurious position of being able to choose who comes on the show, who I'm going to get sponsored by, Which means that I can say no to anybody that I don't believe in. Like I wear gym sharks stuff, I train in it. Anybody that's seen me training in Austin knows that I just basically live in their stuff.
Starting point is 01:20:12 Anyone that's seen me traveling knows that I've got element or athletic greens with me. You know, it's... I understand that the... There's probably a bit of skepticism around the fact that why is it that all of the big podcasts use the same sponsors? But the reason that they have the biggest budgets are because they're the ones that are the most successful and the reason they're the ones that are most successful is usually because they're the best. So it's a little bit circular, but yes, I do.
Starting point is 01:20:37 In short, I do. AJ Cretia, what do you think about physical appearance and attraction? It's fundamental. I don't believe that you can fake attraction. That would be way too blue-pilled. Let's see what Chris butt says. Chris butt says that, maybe I am a blue-pilled cook. What do you think about physical appearance and attraction?
Starting point is 01:20:58 Don't say something stupid. I think physical appearance is important, but it's not the only factor when it comes to attraction. I think that there are qualities to look for that go beyond physical appearance, such as kindness, intelligence and a shared sense of humour. Not going to get hard off the back of in like a shared sense of humour. And I think ultimately it finds some important to find someone who can connect with on a deeper level. Physical appearance and attraction are fundamental. That being said, people can be sexy in ways that aren't to do with their
Starting point is 01:21:26 physical appearance. It can be the way that they hold themselves, it can be their sort of manner, but girls that have got a little bit of sass are, you know, hot, but it's not to do with necessarily their appearance. But it's a huge lever, like the thing that you are attracted to, the way that it shows up, remembering the almost all of your senses are dedicated to the visual field. It's a big deal. So, yeah, massive. Curlin TX, what's the scoop on marriage contracts, prenups and dowry, what's the future look like in that arena?
Starting point is 01:22:00 Can laying out your plan for the future and boundaries for your person, progeny and property make the XX more secure and the XY has defined goals. That's for the AMA. I thought that pre-nubs were relatively watertight and since I've started delving further into the world of why guys specifically are avoiding marriage and in some of the threads that I've been involved in, people have said, you know, I'm not going to get into a relationship so that a woman can take half of my thing. And I well meaningly said, well, just what do you get a prenup? And then it seems that these things kind of don't really count for much and that the judge can just throw them out. If they want to, which kind of begs the question, like, what's the point of them? So I need to do a lot more reading on this. So I can't give you an answer, but I'm glad that you've asked the question because it's something that I really need to learn about. Benjamin Kutie, his real name is Chad Williamson, those who know Star Dusk. I don't
Starting point is 01:23:02 know Star Dusk and I don't get that reference. So if someone wants to explain it to me, please do. Dave Novel, population collapse is the most interesting new subject for me that I've learned about in the last 12 months, what's the most interesting new subject you've learned about over the last 12 months. You stole mine, Dave, because for me it is what I'm captivated by. I was already on the mating crisis stuff probably 18 months ago, so I can't say that from the last 12. Let's say the impact of hormonal birth control on women's psychology or maybe intracetual competition and the difference between how
Starting point is 01:23:36 male and female coalitions and friendships work. Jalalbecht. I want to start a writing business. I'm decent at writing, but I don't know how to start any advice. I don't know what you're going to sell as writing. Is this copywriting? Do you want to get paid to be a writer on Substack? First thing that you need to do is have an audience. You need to be able to reach people that could maybe want to pay you to write stuff. So build up something. If you're going to be a writer, it would be best to do that off the back of a platform that is heavily geared toward writing. So, start the sub-stack. Write one blog post every week for the next six months.
Starting point is 01:24:14 Promote it, get into that content creation game, and see where you go from that. You will naturally start to accumulate people. And if you don't, if you're not picking up people or if you're finding the writing thing too hard, maybe writing isn't right for you. Joan, no, Jan, Jananavik. Best friend is aiming down how to deal with close friends unwilling to move forward. Chris bot. Come on now. Something good. It can be difficult to watch a close friend struggle and feel like they're stuck in a root.
Starting point is 01:24:49 The best thing you can do is be there for them and offer your support. Let them know that you are there for them and that you're willing to listen and help in any way you can. Encourage them to take small steps toward their goals and celebrate their successes, no matter how small, remind them that they're capable of admiring their goals and that you believe in them, achieving their goals and that you believe in them. Not bad from Chris Bott there. I don't think that that's too far off. Another side of it is it's not your job to drown whilst trying to keep somebody afloat
Starting point is 01:25:15 who doesn't want to swim. Like you can continue to encourage, to cojole, to coerce, someone to improve themselves, but there are upper bounds, and after a while you realise that you're basically exchanging your growth for their loss, and after a while it may be best to find new friends. Beyond Rasmussen, Chris, I was wondering how many of your listeners are female, and never thought of your podcast as foremen, but recommended your podcast to a female friend and she apparently thought it was sexist, which I don't understand at all. So I'm curious if it is just her or if women don't tune in at all.
Starting point is 01:25:55 Very good question. Around about a third of the listeners are female. So I, maybe they're all sexists, maybe every woman that's listening to this right now is a sexist. But yeah, it's between a third and a quarter of the audience are female. For me personally, I have never tried to make this podcast for any sex. I am a guy, so my insights around male psychology are always going to be deeper, but this year I would, I would hazard a guest that we're probably not far off 50-50 on male to female guests. So many over the last few months of all of the intersectional dynamic stuff, you know, people
Starting point is 01:26:38 from researchers from different backgrounds, PhDs, you know, fucking, this is your brain on birth control by Dr. Sarah Hill. No guy really in their right mind should be interested in that. Apart from the fact that they're potentially getting into a relationship where it's their mother or their sister or their friend or whatever, my point being, I really try hard to just follow whatever I'm interested in and whatever side of that that falls on, so be it. However, a lot of girls tune in and to those of you that are here, I praise you and your estrogen for blasting us with your time. Thank you very much. Untold encounters, hey Chris, congratulations on the age of 1,000 subs. You definitely deserve it because of the great content you create that has made me think differently and better about life
Starting point is 01:27:20 decisions. Thank you very much. Question, I remember your conversation with Mary Harrington where you said you have not looked into surrogacy and some of its ethical problems. Are you planning on having a conversation with Katie Faust since she has been talking and researching ethics and problems of surrogacy and gamete donation and how they could be potential children's rights violations? I am not familiar with Katie Faust, however, I have a list and she is getting added to the list. So thank you very much for that.
Starting point is 01:27:52 S. Don. Chris, been an OG listener since lockdown 2020 and I'm genuinely so stoked to see you grow. I wanted to ask, with the increased success, you still seem to be the same person. How have you fought off the keeping up with the Jones' mentality that is so prevalent in the US and also in the UK, such as buying a Rolex, a sports car, and designer clothes, etc. Also, do you see yourself living in Austin, slash the US long term, or can we see return back to the tune? Few things. First off, designer clothes have never attracted me. I dress almost exclusively for
Starting point is 01:28:25 comfort and convenience, and like fancier clothes basically get less uncomfortable, so that's been easy. I am actually kind of interested in buying a nice watch just because I've become a fan of the watches themselves. Sports car, I don't know, I get ubers everywhere in Austin at the moment. I have no real sense of self worth that gets taken from material desires. I have none of it. I don't judge myself based on the lebutons that I'm wearing or the jacket that I've got
Starting point is 01:29:04 or the brand of car that I drive. I like nice things, but I like nice things inasmuch as they functionally facilitate what I want to do with my life. In future, maybe I'll get to the stage where buying a Rolex or a sports car or something isn't as so high of a bar to get over that I'm going to be bothered about it. But there's stuff, other stuff that I would spend my money on. I did investing companies, I would pay for experiences for me and my friends, I would spend on growing this show and like I took good example, the Vegas trip that we did for David Goggins towards the back end of last year flew me and all of the production team out to Vegas. A bunch of friends came in from Dubai, a bunch of staff came in from the UK,
Starting point is 01:29:53 other friends came in from America, Michaela and her husband and a bunch of other people. And we went out on a night out, we went to Cirque du Soleil, we did a ton of stuff. That is the best way that I could spend my money compared with buying a Rolex or a sports car and it costs less, it costs less than all of those things. And yeah, I still have it now, but I've still got the memories. I've got some of them. It's a slightly heavy weekend. Ben Middleton, keep up the great work.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Question, would you ever have a guest on who couldn't bring in, couldn't bring much to the table intellectually, no modern wisdom, but potentially would bring in huge views for your show. So I don't have a problem with someone who doesn't bring much intellectually, as long as they're interesting. Like it's not just intellectuals that are interesting. Optimizing for people that are just big names that I'm not interested in is something that I really don't want to do. I think I managed to stay clear of doing it so far. I'm trying to even think like who would be, the thing is that most of the people that would bring in huge views
Starting point is 01:30:54 would be interesting to me in one form or another because by the fact that they've got such a gravitas around them, they're probably living an extraordinary life in one form or another, which I could learn a lot from. And then we could dig into it. And everyone would get to find out about what their lives like. So I would have someone on who doesn't bring much to the table intellectually, but I would almost never bring someone on who, well, I wouldn't.
Starting point is 01:31:16 I straight up wouldn't bring somebody on who doesn't interest me. Like, what's the point? It's my show. It's my, it sounds so much. The only child in me is coming out. This is my show. My show. No one else gets to tell me what to do. This is my show.
Starting point is 01:31:29 I've always followed my instincts with it. I've always brought people on who I'm interested in, which is why you've been subjected to endless numbers of human nature and evolutionary psychology, because that's what I'm interested in right now. Previously, it was existential risk before that. it was crossfit, before that it was life facts, after that it was productivity tips. That's the way that I'm working. So, intellectually versus interest, I think, is the way that I'm framing it.
Starting point is 01:31:58 Peter Kapusi, you mentioned that you're doing 240 minutes of zone cardio or week, zone two cardio a week, zone two cardio a week I think that's supposed to be. Is there a certain reason you do this type of cardio? What is the benefit compared to other forms of cardio training for you? Doing 180 and this is Andrew Heubman. He's just, Heubman is speaking out of my mouth here. Pete Ratier said the same thing.
Starting point is 01:32:20 Basically, you want to get about three hours of zone two, which is probably 125 to 140 beats per minute of cardio in per week. It's good for heart health. I wanted to be more calm. I wanted to have a lower resting heart rate and a higher HIV. That's the best way to do it. Red beard, how should you deal with pride after a glow-up? Let's see. What Chris bot has to say about this? You big cook. What Chris Bott has to say about this, you big cook. I think it's important to recognize that the glow-up is a positive thing to be proud of yourself for the hard work and effort you put into achieving. However, it's also important to remember that it's not about physical appearance, that
Starting point is 01:32:56 there are many other aspects of life that just is important. Celebrate your accomplishments, but also remember to stay humble and kind to others. Bit, bit mincey, that wasn't it. How should you deal with pride after a glow-up? I don't know, man. A lot of people struggle with imposter syndrome, which is basically the opposite. You've had the glow-up and you still see yourself as the glowed down, the worst version of you.
Starting point is 01:33:23 Maybe do the thing that Homozi said said actually, which is starting around with people that are like, get into a room with bigger people, so to speak. So if you do have a glow up, get some hotter friends, then you're going to feel ugly again. Maybe that would work. Christopher S. Huge congratulations, Chris. Yours is honestly one of the most intellectually honest and diverse podcasts in the game. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 01:33:46 In the War of Art, Stephen Pressfield writes that our job in this life is not to shape ourselves into some kind of ideal we imagine we ought to be, but to find out who we already are and become it. You've spoken about the influence this book had on you, so my question in regards to balancing practically with the concept of going pro, what advice would you give to a writer, for example, who hears as though they were put on the planet to write, that he lacks the financial security to commit wholesale to be so creative a vocation? Or, more specifically, how did you balance the output that eventually springboarded your growth with your previous professional commitments?
Starting point is 01:34:18 I appreciate you. I appreciate you to Christopher, good name. It's hard, man. Like there are literal material, fucking like physical constraints on how many hours you have in a day and creativity gets constrained out more by that. If you're working in a job, whilst trying to do the writing thing whilst trying to deliver life, whilst trying to bring up blah, blah, blah, it's going to be tough. What advice would you give to a writer that feels as though they were put on the planet to write, yet lacks the financial security to commit wholesale to so creative evocation? You've just, like, dip your toe in one step at a time.
Starting point is 01:34:53 If you are risk averse, I am massively risk averse. I did the show alongside running the business for basically the first four years of it. And then finally, after I'd proven to myself that it was going to be able to work, I was able to take that step. I could let go of the thing that was my sort of security. I could move into the thing that was going to be much more risky. I think that is probably the best place to start. In terms of balancing the outputs, except the fact that this is going to be hard, this is why most people can't do the thing that you're trying to do. Most people can't become a writer because they can't deal with the discomfort of doing both reliable work to keep the lights on and creative work to build the writing career at the same time. Some people may have a rich father or win
Starting point is 01:35:40 the lottery or, you know, fortunately, sell a business and then they can pivot. If that's not you, the price that you have to pay to get to the life that you want is eating shit and doing two things that are both kind of difficult and sapping at the same time. And on the other side of that, hopefully you get something that's right and is a much better life for you. But even if you don't, you've closed the loop of wondering, wonder what would have happened if I tried to commit for two years to become a writer whilst I was working in that factory or whatever. Danny Johnson, if you were to appear on Diary for CEO, what question would you leave for the next guest? Did it appear on Diary for CEO, Danny? I wonder if this was posted before that one went live.
Starting point is 01:36:26 The question I asked was one that I stole from a friend, guy called George Mack. And the question was, what topic currently overlooked by the mainstream media in future will be studied by historians? Fucking good question though. Etsy bags, would you ever start to know any fans? Chris Bart, come on.
Starting point is 01:36:48 Say yes. Say yes. Say yes. No, piss. I wouldn't start know any fans, I believe. Everyone should be able to express themselves in whatever way they choose, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of monetizing my content in that way. Chris Bart, it's sex neutral. What are you talking about? Apparently not, sorry mate. Javray, no so, best platform to learn skills
Starting point is 01:37:12 like marketing, et cetera, not just getting educated by uni. I would say YouTube, you know, almost these books, bloody hell, read those. Read $100 million offers and $100 million deals, which is gonna be out soon. There you go. Javray, no, that's Javray again, you're not having to, sorry, Javray. Jargon Junky, can you do a session with Rian Stone? You both talk about similar things. I saw a quote from Rian that said something like,
Starting point is 01:37:53 saw a quote from Rian that said something like, after a life of privilege, equality feels like persecution. It was basically saying that somebody that has had an unseen undetected position of privilege for a good amount of time, when they are asked to, when the field is asked to be evened, it feels like they're being pulled back. And I thought that was really interesting, but I'm not super familiar with anything else that they do. So I'd have to look into it. Peter Sadness, not a question, but I'd like to thank you, Chris, your podcast really helped me in understanding myself in the world we live in. Thanks to you, my health is much better than before, as well as my self-confidence. Thanks to episodes with Goggins or Joker-Willink. Thanks, Peter. I appreciate you. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 01:38:36 Hamza, L, Azawi. What businesses, slash income sources do you have if you don't mind sharing? Yeah, sure. So, I've got the show. We've got that on audio on YouTube. I have a number of properties in the UK. So, I guess like real estate. I have some very basic bitch investing, which is just an S&P tracker that I dollar cost average into every single month, filling up my, what, in the UK, we have a thing called an interest fee free, stocks and shares, ISA, which allows you to basically lump a particular ton of money in per year,
Starting point is 01:39:14 and you're allowed to do that tax-free, and then the downstream benefits from it are also tax-free, so I'm maxing out that. Also I got Amazon affiliate stuff, which is fucking pennies, anyone that thinks that they can make money off Amazon affiliate so moving far more traffic than I am. That's it, really. Life gets paid for by the show and the sponsors that I work with, YouTube AdSense Revenue,
Starting point is 01:39:43 is good. It's okay. It's, I would have loved to have been a part of YouTube before the ad apocalypse or whatever it was called. I can't imagine how much money people were making that. But, I don't know, I feel like I am leaving probably quite a lot on the table in terms of monetizing and stuff.
Starting point is 01:39:59 I've never been that good at building businesses. I only realized this recently, being a businessman, self-identified businessman for ages, I don't have that hunger brain to really, really get after it and just make tons of money, which is good, as we've said today, about the materialism thing, but it also makes me think, well, how much am I just leaving on the table? I'd earn it and do anything with it. So, I don't know, we'll see. I do want to monetize a bit more better appropriately after a while. Pete, DeGene, could you share again
Starting point is 01:40:31 why prefer element and why you take it daily, awesome content, keep it up, thank you. Prefer it, prefer it to what I'm not sure. I take it daily because it is better for you on a morning than a coffee. Your adrenal system, the caffeine that salt acts on is active for the first 90 minutes of the day. Your adenosine system isn't.
Starting point is 01:40:50 So having coffee first thing in the morning is pointless. You're just ramping up your adenosine, ramping up the amount of caffeine that's in your body while it's not binding to the adenosine receptors. You might as well just take something that tastes really, really nice and is refreshing and optimizes your hydration and your appetite and your brain health and does everything else. And then you can have your coffee or your caffeine or whatever, a few hours later. Quama dreams. Do you have do nothing day or are you constantly working or thinking about working?
Starting point is 01:41:24 Let's see what Chris bot says. Are you do nothing day? Are you constantly working? I think you're working. Try to take at least one day a week to do nothing. Horse shit. Chris bot. Absolute horse shit.
Starting point is 01:41:38 Chris bot got it wrong. I tried to take one at least one day a week to do nothing and just relax. I think it's important to take time to recharge and give yourself a break from work. On these days, I like to spend time with friends and family, read a book outdoors, or just take a walk and enjoy the outdoor. Only got two pieces of family, Chris bought, both of them live in the UK. That's a mom and dad, so I don't get to do that. I do like to spend time with friends and family.
Starting point is 01:41:59 I like to take little breaks, go and play pickleball, be in nature, do stuff like that, but no. I'm usually always thinking about something, but I enjoy, like that's revitalizing to me is thinking about things, but pressing the gas pedal of how much to work and how much to not work is important. How in Z-Boy do you think there is a connection between the masculinity crisis and recreational
Starting point is 01:42:25 weed? Come on, Chris Pot. Let's get a good question in here. I don't think there is a direct connection between the masculinity crisis and recreational weed. However, I do think that recreational weed can be used as a tool to help people relax, reduce stress. It can be beneficial to those struggling with masculinity issues.
Starting point is 01:42:45 Chris bots a stoner. Who knew? I actually think that there is, I think, that there's a good bit of evidence that suggests that guys that are using screens that are on a combination of pharmaceutical prescription, painkillers and or recreational weed. I think it is probably causing them to just optimize for comfort and convenience. I would love to see some stats around it, but off the top of my dome, let's say yes. Okay, I think that's enough for today, but before you go, I want to say a big thank you to Zachary and Miguel
Starting point is 01:43:15 from aiship.co. They were the people who made the Chris bot for me. I don't know whether you thought that was cool today. I think it's really funny to kind of ask a language learning model version of me, the questions. If you think I should keep doing that on the next few Q&As, then just say so. But that was great. So Zachary McGell from AISHIP.co, if you need an AI solution, they can do all sorts of things.
Starting point is 01:43:36 You can check out the site, it's linked in the description below, AISHIP.co. That's it. I'll see you at 900k.

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