Modern Wisdom - #635 - Mark Normand - Why Is Everyone So Angry All The Time?

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

Mark Normand is a podcaster, an actor and a comedian. The mere discussion of certain topics can cause huge controversy. Both sides of every issue are adamant that their opposition is fundamentally evil, malicious, bigoted or a secret race of lizard people. What is driving this huge demand for outrage? And can we do anything about it? Expect to learn Mark’s takes on the Bud Light & Miller Lite controversies, why brands have completely lost their sense of humour, whether you have engaged in Digital Blackface and why it makes you racist, the ethical dilemma of incest, why AI girlfriends will destroy society, whether Tom Hanks is part of the Illuminati, if there’s a joke that is so offensive it should never be told and much more... Sponsors: Get 16 free meals plus free shipping from HelloFresh at https://hellofresh.com/modernwisdom16 (use code: MODERNWISDOM) Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with your first box at https://www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 4.0 at https://manscaped.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM)  Extra Stuff: Follow Mark on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/marknormand Check out Mark's website - http://marknormandcomedy.com/ Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Mark Normand. But now ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mark Norman Wait, are we on? Yeah, sure. Oh, geez, I didn't know that. Let's say that we're on. I'm Mark Norman. Hey, comedy. I didn't know if I was going to trash those other comics you just mentioned. So I had to make sure.

Good to be here. Thanks, man. New studio. Yeah, different. We're in a new place. I like this place. It's very cool. Yeah, it is.

It's kind of like what I imagine the inside of a dildo looks like. Ah, hey, this is the fleshlight right here. Yeah, ribbed for your pleasure. Ha, ha, ha. Smells weird too. And it's a little sticky. But yeah. So you're seeing Tom Segura at some point, I think,

while you're in town, he's just finished a 300-day tour. Woo! What do people who have never been on tour that look at comedians that are traveling the world and think, ah, that's cool, that'd be good to do. What do they not know about what two lives actually like? Well, there's a couple different kind of, and the two extremes would be Saguora and Bert, which are their friends, the Yin and Yang, and Bert is a drunk fat guy

who's partying, where Saguora has a trainer every morning at 8 a.m. He doesn't really drink. He eats well. He's playing the piano. He's writing. So that's really the tour life, you know, just which one are you on that spectrum? And I'm more towards Bert and I'm worried because I'm going to die. But that's really what it is.

Touring is grueling and it looks fun. We show you Instagram of us on a jet or at the big arena with the chandelier and the curtains, but it's a lot of get up. What are we doing today? Oh, we gotta go to the airport. Oh, the airport's in a different language. We gotta figure this out.

It's a lot of logistics and that part sucks. But it's fun. Yeah, I don't know. I guess the reality from the outside is tons of travel. Yeah, packing and unpacking. Yes. Being in and out of hotels. Nightmare, it's all a blur. It's like that montage and fight club where he's just going from place to place and you're like, who am I? Where am I? What's going on? I got to write a new joke. Is that joke? So you're on the flight and any moment you have, you're like, all right, I got to rest and think about my act. Yeah. I guess Ryan Long was talking about this as well. The reality of tour life is so different to what people sort of idealize. Oh, yeah. And what I think most guys are doing at the moment is these little weekends, right? You

just jump out, spend a weekend, two nights, three nights, if you can, and then you come back. It's like I kind of have a life, but then I don't have a life, and then I have a life, and I don't, but you're gonna go to Australia. I'm gonna show you ever a month, but those weekends are that's ideal because you get to escape. You hate your girlfriend, you hate your husband, you hate your wife, you hate your apartment,

you hate your city, I live in New York, and it says hobos and shit on the street in subways. So then you get to go to Denver, and you're like, ooh, I'm so weak, I'll go get a hike, I'll do shows, and then I'll come back. So it's perfect. It's like a built-in marriage saver. Have you heard of digital blackface?

Ooh, wait a minute. Is that where you act black online? Kind of, yeah. So this is from CNN. If you're white and you've posted a gif or a meme of a black person to express a strong emotion, you may be guilty of wearing digital blackface, right, to John Blake. Maybe you shared that viral video of Kimberly Sweet Brown Wilkins telling a reporter after narrowly escaping an apartment fire, ain't nobody got time for that. You posted that meme

of supermodel Tyra Banks exploding in anger on America's next top model. If you're black and you've shared such online images, you get a pass. But if you're white, you may have inadvertently perpetuated one of the most insidious forms of contemporary racism. You may be wearing digital blackface. Simply put, digital blackface is 21st century min-minstrelsy. Minstrel. Minstrelsy. Minstrelsy. Wow, I mean, I thought I was being inclusive by adding some blackpill in my memes and my gifts.

Isn't that diverse? I'm diversifying my gifts. I'm appropriating. I guess so, geez. I asked Jordan Peterson what color emoji he uses. And he said black. Oh, really? That's funny.

You can't get in trouble. I mean, we're all using the eggplant. That's black. Is it? Oh in trouble. I mean, we're all using the eggplant. That's black. Is it? Oh, do you speak based on size? Size and, you know, it's a dark shade of purple. But you know, Mulanian is what Italians call black people. And that means eggplant.

That's the end word for Italians. You're kidding me. Yes. And it's what Mulanian, like these Mulanians over here stole our truck. And it means eggplant in Italian. but that's their end word. Wow. Oh yeah.

Italian's don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck. And it sounds cool. Moolinian, it just sounds pretty. You can want to be less painful. You can wait less painful. You can't wait for some racial tirade. Exactly.

They also call retarded people retarded. No, I'm just kidding. But that would be, I'm sure they got a cool word for that too. But yeah, digital black face, man, you gotta be careful out there. Well, they know number one threat to America's white supremacy according to our president. So, uh, it's an interesting one. I see, I like this stuff because it just shows that we're not that racist. If we have to look this far to find racism, that's a good sign that maybe we're not as racist

as we took care of. So I learned about this idea called concept creep, which you'll probably be familiar with, but the way that it's sort of come across or being used, I guess, in the modern world is super, super interesting, because let's say that there's a bar of racism that needs to be, oh, there is a demand for racism.

A bar of real, that's called a biker bar. All right, sorry. Ah! There's a demand for racism that needs to be met. And if racism isn't getting bigger, what you need to do is expand the definition of it in order to maintain the supply. Perfect.

So concept creep is when the demand for racism outstrips the supply of racism. Yes. Which means you need to continually make more and more things racist to keep that level high. Wow. See, I love when these smart people come up with terms, because it just solidifies all right there.

It succinctly explains it. Well, if you think about there are a number of people who's basically entire careers, you know, this CNN reporter, they need to write an article. Right. John Blake needs to write an article for CNN for today. God, what am I gonna write about? Well, you're the racism guy.

Like you specialize in racism. You gotta go get out there, find yourself some digital blackface, and that's now the thing. But yeah, I think looking at... That's fascinating. Looking at the increased dilution of what, different types of bigotisms and obias and whatever's. Mm-hmm.

The reason for that is that there is a lack of supply, but still an amount of demand. It's kind of like crackheads. Well, like you start out with a good, good solid crack rock. And then eventually like, maybe I mix baking soda and a frog's ass and like a peroxide, I'll get high. And it's not actually drugs anymore, but you just, you need to open it up a little more to get high. Because you can't get the crack. So you're saying modern day racism is like poor quality drugs.

Yeah, it's stepped on. Right, you know, it's got baby lats. I want this pure racism. Yeah. That's the pure racism that we, you know, you're like good old fashioned Colombian direct from the sauce. Jim Crow, that was pure cut cocaine, you know, you know, you like good old fashioned Colombian direct from the sauce. Jim Crow, that was pure cut cocaine, you know, Jim Crow KKK, the, the, what do you call the hoses with the dogs, civil rights stuff. That was, that was pure cut. And now we're

stepping on it with fucking baby blackface. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Blackface is baby powder for that. Right. I sent you earlier on a video about Dove. Yeah, that was great. So for the people that haven't seen it, Dove is on a mission to challenge and change female representation in video games and help make gaming a positive space for women and girls.

So they've created this video of like superhero, girl superhero, and she slays this evil baddie, and then she comes back into the changing room and takes her armor off and gains 80 pounds. Yeah, that was odd. Immediately, and then like sits down, puts her hands behind the back and realizes, I don't need to wear the armor that is holding me in, and then she goes out and like keeps on fighting,

but now she's 80 pounds bigger. Yeah. Female characters in games do not accurately represent the diverse gamers of the world, and are often heavily sexualized and created within narrow, unrealistic beauty standards. 74% of girls feel unrepresented in video games. I'm looking forward to the call of duty, Lizzo Skin.

Dropping, I wanna unlock Lizzo. It's too big of a target. Terrorist, it's too easy. But here's my thing with a couple things. I love the Lizzo. Cool. It's too big of a target. It's too easy. But here's my thing with a couple things. I love the idea of the animator being like, the director's like, we need her, Fatter. So he's like, oh shit, all right. So he has to be bigger, bigger.

But also, I get it. Look, it's all, I'm all about helping women and having them being represented. But aren't we going, it's getting hacky now. Like Miller Lite, Bud Light, all the Starbucks had a big commercial with the trends. And you're like, well now it's just hack. The whole thing with the marketing and stuff like this,

like this kind of art. You gotta go a new way. Isn't that the whole point of being original? Like, when they zig, you zag, and they're all zagging. Everybody's going in the same direction. Yeah, so I'm like, to me, it's not even about the the woke shit or whatever you want to call it. It's like, you're just being unoriginal now.

It's boring. It's boring. Well, I think the main concern that people are unpredictable. It's kind of the same as the, like, supply demand problem for racism, which is, it doesn't seem genuine. Yes, it's forced. Yeah.

Completely forced, completely. What do you call that? It starts with a C. Contrived? Thank you, you nailed it. Fuck yeah. Wow. Tapting.

What's happening together? We're a periods of sync. That's a menstrual cycle exactly. So menstrual. Cycle. I have menstrual cycle. So yeah, I think it's just that people don't believe that this is, is this actually coming from a place of genuine sympathy? Or is this coming from what's it called?

Wokewashing. Yes, yes, that's an avenue. Yeah, I learned, what was the fucking thing? Wokewashing is allowing brands to monetize virtue signaling. It conceals the less altruistic business practices. So middle light and bud light, you know, there's two good examples that you brought up there. Where are they getting their tin from? Is anybody looking at the aluminium that goes into the cans?

Of course not. Like looking at the production processes. Are they meeting sanitation standards? Are they doing all the rest of it? And it's like no, but they gave Dylan Mulvaney a six pack with her face on it. That's like enough to look over that look over there. You don't need to look over here. Do you think?

Yes. And I think with the dove, dove maybe actually does feel a little bit like a company that for a long time has been fighting for different beauty standards. They've just got skin. That's true. Like trying to get representation for different girls.

But if you're gonna fight the good fight, it doesn't feel like video games are the place that girls are looking to find the representation. Exactly. And there was no soap in that commercial. There was not one bar of soap, not a bathroom, not a lotion, nothing. Yeah, exactly.

It was just video gaming. And I'm like, I don't know. It's also weird that we have to shoehorn women. Sure, there are women gamers, I'm sure, but like it doesn't feel like that's their big demo is these fat ladies. Advertise on Vanderpump rules. Every lady I know, my wife included has six girls over, they're all watching it.

I walk in and they're like, ssssss. You know Vanderpump? Selling sunset. Oh, shit. Yes, yes. Was the big girl on selling Sunset? Exactly, exactly. But she's not there, which is also probably why it's doing well.

You know, it goes back to the Barbie. It's like Barbie's unrealistic. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. But who wants a realistic toy? You know, but women think they're gonna think they have to look like that. I'm like, maybe they wanna look like that. Or maybe, you know, that's okay.

If you wanna, like every superhero I had it was jacked I don't want a fat superhero. I'm not jacked someone so I put this out on Twitter earlier on and someone replied and said They can't wait for a version of craters. You know from God of War you familiar with that? Yeah, it's like just like a jack god figure type guy. Can't wait for skinny fat craters or solid snake to be creeping around but he's lost a foot you to diabetes. I don't know. There seems to me, if you're so narcissistic that you need direct representation in your avatar in a computer game, there are bigger problems than simply having a full-of-figured avatar are going to be able to fix.

Yes. Completely. And it's just human nature. We like to look at attractive things. I mean, every present who won has been taller. Every, I think, maybe except for one, but it's always a taller guy who wins, full head of hair helps. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's in men, too. Like, we want our men looking the right way as well. What was that? Was it Nixon? Did he do some famous debate? Yes. One of them was sweaty and the other one wasn't sweaty. He did one on radio and one against Kennedy.

Right. Because you couldn't see how good looking Kennedy was. And then when they were at TV aired it, Kennedy won. That pretty privilege, man. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's just, it's such a shame that you have conversations that get captured by like, they're much longer levers than trying to fix. Yes. Whether or not girls are being misrepresented in video

game. Exactly. And let's talk to the ladies. See what they think. Also, it just, first of all, it feels so forced, but oh, I forgot my point. You said something. Say what you said again, maybe it'll jog it. That it, oh, I got it back. Thank you, that's all I need. It was your sweet, sweet English voice. So, oh, I lost it again.

Say it again, start talking. Oh, I got it, I got it, I got it. So, that was real. But you mentioned the tin can. Where's that coming from? And then like, here's a perfect example, cappernick. Everybody's blowing cappernick, he's kneeling, he hates police, I get it. Nike, the biggest example of all sweatshops, you know, we need the Asian fingers to make

the shoes and all that. And you can overlook that because you're looking at the guy with the afro Who's got the fist up and you go hey? I'm a good person But when you say to people, well, what about the sweatshop people they go ah And you're like no, no, no, you don't not allowed to go at me with the sweatshop and like Kaepernick You have to if you're such a morally good person in superior correct you have to agree to both But they just they just shut one out and that's where I get pissed. Well, hypocrisy is just like the perfect tool that people want to point out on the internet.

Yes. Because for the first time ever, we have this locked-in stone history of every single thing that we've said precisely as we said it at the times that we said it, and it allows you to say, hang on, you're making this point now, but I can see that that's not exactly a line with what you used to say previously. Right. So one of my smart friends, the one that taught me about concept creep, he also taught me that in the modern world, our opinions and our deeds have never been further apart. In the past, any opinion and any deed would have ended up being

stress tested at some point. If you say that you're a good person, 20,000 years ago, around the campfire, and yet every time you go hunting, you don't bring back meat for everybody else, you just bring it for your family, eventually someone's going to go, well, come on, you keep saying that you're a good person. Whereas on Twitter, no one ever actually ends up scrutinizing the way that you show up in the real world. You can be the most empathetic, pro-female person in the world, and you go home and beat your wife. Yes. And nobody knows. For the most part, nobody knows. And then, when people get rumble for it, that's why it feels so satisfying to us. Yes.

I think that it's because we have this sense that a lot of the people who push virtual, real virtual beauty or push digital blackface is something that should genuinely be cared about are just doing performative empathy. I don't think that we believe that it's true. Completely right, but the problem with the empathy is like when you're on the other side of it, we're like, let's say you're Ellen who, you know, big cunt. And her thing is like, well, you said because she was the happy, dancing, nice lady. And then we found out she was a coos.

Everybody flipped on her because she was performing. But the problem is, Ellen could be like, well, I donate a million dollars of charity. I do all this. I help the homeless. I help old people. But we just know about the cut thing. Yes.

So you don't get that redeeming part. And we love Sam Harris at a great point. He said, if the first time you hear about somebody is when they've done something wrong, maybe don't jump to hate them. That's the first thing you've heard about them. What about all the other good shit they did? But we don't care about that.

We just go, Michael J. Fox said, Fag in 88, I've never heard of this guy. Like if you're some young person, I've never heard of my go to Fox I hate him now and you're like you hate him now because you heard one thing about him on the in a headline, but you just Yeah, you totally disregard his whole other life. It's crazy it's a shame that we sort of jumped to conclusions so quickly and this difference between opinions and deeds,

the fact that you're able to behave in one way and say a different thing and people will care about what you say more than what you do, because what you do is never seen. Exactly. But it also means that when you do try and actually put some empathy across, that gets scrutinized too. Oh well, maybe you're just doing this.

Because no, I genuinely care. I care about this movement or I care about this group of people, or this is me being earnest or vulnerable or open, and not for some perverse reason. I'm doing this because I actually care about a thing. Yeah. And immediately people use the same idea, the methodology, the skepticism they have about all the other shit from all of the other people that have been doing the concept creep supply demand bullshit. And then they apply it to you and you go, what kind of like a and I think that disincentivizes people completely genuine completely like altruism as well. I agree. Yeah, it's a it's a tough time.

Makes people just not want to do anything and just hang back so they don't get yelled at. You seem to be quite a positive person generally. Yeah, yeah, I think so. How do you avoid getting drawn into cynicism and there is this sort of culture of negativity and cynicism on the internet? What's your prophylactic against that? What condom are you wearing? Well, I hear the old post and ghost.

I'm a big on that. And my friend, he works with Louis C. K. a lot. So he gets a lot of hate, you know. So he just started blocking everybody. And he's like, I don with Louis C. K. a lot, so he gets a lot of hate, you know. So he just started blocking everybody, and he's like, I don't even hear them anymore. Like anybody who says one thing, I just start blocking them on Twitter or whatever. And so it just eventually, he kind of like cleaned it out. And I'm like, that's pretty good, but you still have to go in and read it to block it.

Yeah. So I don't want to do that. So I just kind of, I let it go, and I'm sure this fire is going on all over. And I just try to put out of my mind and that protects your mental space relatively while it seems relatively well. I mean, I've definitely had my, my weeks of like sleepless nights. I'm like, this guy said this, it taps into some fucked up thought you had about yourself and it validates all the evil thoughts you have and then it just mushroom clouds in your brain and you're in the shower going, maybe I am attracted to kids, you know,

or whatever the fuck. And I'm not, but, you know, people can just get in your head and you know what, when I was 15, I was like, am I gay, maybe I'm gay, am I gay? And I had this friend who was super hot and ripped and I blew up, no. But I had this friend who was super hot, I kept being like, am I gay? And I had this friend who was super hot and ripped, and I blew up, no. But I had this friend who was super hot, I kept being like, am I attracted to him?

I don't know, I don't know. And it's to say you can do that with anything. Like, am I racist? What the hell? And I'm like hanging out with a bunch of black guys last night at the mothership. And you're just like, what am I, I'm not racist, but your brain can go in these fucked up places,

especially mine. Mike, you really turned on me. It's so funny that you can question your own sense of self. Completely. Because of what somebody's just prodded or poked you in the direction of at the right time. And that's really what Twitter is. It's this weird little prodding.

And it's Colin Quinn describes it as, you're giving yourself schizophrenia, because it's literally eight million opinions and you're just absorbing all of them. And that's what schizophrenia is, it's just 800 voices going off all the time. And you're like, I'm sourcing personal insults from the internet.

Yeah, that's exactly. Some Harris said that being on Twitter is like the most malignant form of telepathy ever that only allows you into the worst of everybody else's thoughts. Wow. Classic word, Smithin from... He's the thoughts. Wow. Classic, classic word, Smithin' from... He's the king. Mr. Harris.

He is the best. I mean, there's not a lot of positivity. It's not a lot of like, I had a great day today. Just had a hell of a turkey sandwich and I got a great, my ass got eaten. You don't really see that on Twitter, you know? It's just, you know, this guy's racist. He's a piece of shit, whatever.

Yeah, that's an idea for a future tweet. You could throw that out, talking about whatever it is, the evitin' and then what, when you've been eaten. Yeah, that's an idea for a future tweet. You could throw that out talking about whatever it is that you've eaten and then what when you've been eaten. Yeah, avoiding the cynicism things, it's a tough one, man. And I'm really trying to sort of slowly nudge myself away from it. I'm really trying to rail against it. Yeah. Just seeing what happens if you do try and give people a little bit more hope.

You know, Michael Malice, you familiar Michael? Oh, yeah. It's Mark Guy. people a little bit more hope. You know Michael Malice, you familiar Mikey? Oh yeah, I smart guy. Yeah, so he wrote this book about the period from sort of 1920, 1910, up to 1990 in Russia. And it's all about the absolute terrors of communism and famine and all sorts of crazy fuckery. His point was, we thought that this was the worst that the world could ever get. This is how low things sank. These are the terrible stories of famine and prison and mistreatment and children and all this sort of stuff.

And the good guys won. So his argument, it was called the White Pell, the book. And the reason for that was that he said, if you think that the evil people always win, here is the most stark example of the evil people losing. Oh, thank God. But the problem is it took 90 years or whatever you said. That's the problem is you want it to happen next week,

but it takes so long and then, you know, like black people were marginalized and oppressed and all this. And now I feel like they're doing well. But now it's kind of like, fuck whitey. So we're gonna be in that for a while and that'll go away. and doing well, but now it's kind of like, fuck whitey, so we're gonna be in that for a while, then that'll go away, but it just sucks when your life and your adulthood

is like right in the middle of the shit part. That's a really good point. I often, you know, there was this really interesting study, I remember seeing ages ago, that looked at the difference if you were born in, I want to say 1920 or 1930. If you were born in 1920, you grew up during the formative years when you needed nutrition being the Great Depression.

Then, by the time that the war came around, you were conscripted to go and fight. Yes. And then let's say that you survived both of those traumas. You finally came out and died in the 70s or some shit like that, let's say. Whereas if you were born in 1930, you got to, you weren't conscripted. You came out the other side. You got to live most of your glories through swinging 60s, 70s, psychedelic revolution, you know, increased equality, all this sort of stuff.

And yeah, I do wonder sometimes in retrospect, what am I going to think about the generation that I was a part of? Totally, throwin' a pandemic, throwin' 9'11, throwin' the George Floyd stuff. Like, it's a wild time. But, you know, the 60s were wild, the MLK got shot, they went to the moon, Vietnam. So there's always bad shit, but the problem is,

this is new bad shit with the internet. This is all unprecedented. Yeah, novel problems. Yes, yes. So, we're not only we figure out how to deal with it, we don't know what the hell it is, and it's all new, and kids are killing themselves, and girls are depressed, and you know, you see that? 60% of teenage girls say that they have persistent or regular feelings of hopelessness.

Unbelievable. It's so sad. And, you know, like the 60s you mentioned growing up then, or in the 20s and then the 30s and the depression and all that, the World War One, too. I bet they were happier. You think? I bet they were happier because you had a goal. It's like depression. Gotta get bread, gotta get food, gotta get some water. Now I'm in World War One. Gotta stay alive. Gotta stay alive. Now it's world, you gotta stay alive, you know, though the air raids, rare, rare, you know, I think that was at least

somewhat we have a common enemy, we got a common goal to survive. Now it's just like this looming cloud of sadness and like, did I get enough clicks? And is this person gonna drag me online? And you know, it's just, it's this weird kind of ungrabable sadness, whereas before it was very like, the Russians are gonna shoot us, or Hitler's bad, or whatever.

I'm being anxiety. Day! That's good. Yeah, we're in A. And but it's the day I totally get the directionlessness, the fact that you don't have a single call it an enemy or a life goal, or a direction that you're moving toward, means that you kind of just get distracted by everything.

And I think a lot of people have this sense that a lot of their mental time and their sanity is taken up worrying about things that probably don't matter. Yes. That just the number of cycles that your brain goes through per day, having thoughts that tomorrow you're not going to be glad that you had. Yeah. Who it was that says, the bizarre thing about life is that it has to be lived forward but only makes sense in reverse.

Oh, that's good. When you think about the fact that, you know, you look back over the last five years of your life, I thought maybe from 10 years ago until five years ago, you can kind of, oh, yeah, I understand I was here and that's why I was here and then this thing happened and then that changed me and then whatever. And then this thing happened and then that changed me and then whatever. And then you look at now and you go, what the fuck am I doing?

Like why, what are all of these different contributing elements and am I doing it right? Am I doing it right? Am I doing it right? Am I doing it wrong? Should I be doing it? Should I even change it? Exactly.

I know it's tough because you know, when you get into a relationship and you're like, man, I want to get out. I hate this girl. She hates me. All we do is fight. And then you a relationship and you're like, man, I wanna get out, I hate this girl, she hates me, all we do is fight. And then you break up and you're like, I miss her, I love her so much, the relationship was perfect. And I think we're gonna look back on it like that. Like right now it's like this looming,

what did you say, ambient anxiety, which sucks. And it's always in my brain and I hate it and I can't shake it. But I think when I'm 80, I'm gonna look back and go, man, the internet, those are wild time porn, only fans, stormy Daniels, Rachel, we're gonna look back and go, wow, that was fucking nuts, because we're not gonna remember all the ambience. I'm gonna be thinking about Stomy Daniels on your 80.

Oh, I like to jerk off to her, because I know her, it's fun to jerk off someone who's on the news. Ah, you know. You get to see the CNN story and then go right there like, you can text us right away. Yeah, yeah. So it's a cookie time, but I think you gotta just press on. And my thing is I use the internet,

like you wanna fuck with my head? Well, I'm gonna use you and get everything I can get out of you. It's meaning like post clips, do podcast, share everything, reach a bigger audience. So there are perks, it's like fire, it can burn your house down, but it could cook your food. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

I think looking at how to use the internet more healthily is a challenge for everybody that's trying to make anything, right? Because as soon as you post something, there's inevitable criticism. I know. And posting ghosts, not a bad solution everybody that's trying to make anything, right? Because as soon as you post something, there's inevitable criticism. I know. And posting ghosts is not a bad solution for that, or just do a salmon completely torpedo your entire account

and just exit the internet at large. That's another solution I guess. That's my friend did that and he lost 30 pounds. He's like happier. He sees his kids more. Because when you really look at your phone and think about it, like, you get that screen time thing, oh, what a kick in the balls, that is.

That hurts. My wife's always like, I have no time. And I'm like, I watched you look at TikTok for two hours. Two hours, you could have watched a movie, you could have read a book, you could have flown to Florida. Oh, not. Yeah. AI companions are being created to fill the role

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So those guys are all gonna turn to this. The path of least resistance always wins. So one of the pushbacks that I spoke to one of my friends, William Costello about this evolutionary psychology guy. The problem you have with AI girlfriends is that there is no prestige associated in having one because there's no process of selection. It's the same way.

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And I used it. And the ease that these guys can do, so they could just take every podcast episode that you've ever been on. Yeah. Run that through a language learning model, and there you go. There's a moderately accurate mark, Digi mark. Oh my god. Markbock.

That's a bummer. Yeah. Sorry, folks. You don't want two of this. That's not good. Good to you imagine how ridiculous a.i. version of you would be. Oh God, I know I'd be late. First of all, but.

Even the a.i. won't be late. But I heard a comic go on stage because all these comics are word by the a.i. And he did, I'm gonna read a joke I wrote and a joke that a.i. wrote in my voice. And you see if you can tell. And he did both. And gonna read a joke I wrote and a joke that AI wrote in my voice, and you see if you can tell. And he did both, and his joke was so much better, and it made me feel a lot of relief.

You're still like you as I had of what the AI bot can write. Yeah, because joke comedy is all context, you know, and computers can't feel context. And I think that's a big part of it. Computer can have a twist and a set up and a punch, but it doesn't have that little, you know what, a joke bombs is a comedie and go, well, that bomb and that gets a laugh.

But I don't think AI could do that. Someone said on a podcast I was listening to, we'll know that AI is a fully conscious when it exits the interaction and regrets not saying the funny thing that it should have done as it's on its way down. Wow, that's brilliant. That's killer.

Like here's a great, here's a great old joke. You know, this is junior stop because joke. Brilliant comedian goes, the Holocaust actually had a lot of mentally challenged people in it, but you never see pictures of them because they're all smiling. And it's a great joke, but AI could never be that twisted to think of that. And that's why I love comedy. There was a, it's called dark, is it called darkbot? Which they tried to do a version of chat GPT, but the whole thing was trained on the dark

net as opposed to on the surface web. So this is all of the fucked up on the access, custom access forums and like dark versions of 4chan and shit like that. And they trained this thing on that. And I don't know, maybe that will be able to do the fucked up jokes. I'm not sure. But I I think I would be worried if I was a YouTube thumbnail creator, if I was a middleing legal sort of litigation person. Yes, that's the worry. Yeah, or if I was like maybe a radiologist that's looking at scans that are kind of relatively easy to break down. So those kind of, you know, there's still quite complex jobs, but those jobs that are a little bit more automated.

Yeah. I think comedy is probably going to be one of the ones that's safe for a little bit longer at least. Totally. And you like a guy or a gal. You know, you go, I like alley one. You know, even if I don't love that last joke she said or whatever, you just like her or you relate to her or you connect with her.

And I think with a radiologist, there's no none of that. Yes. So it's not just the context of the joke, it's the context of the person that tells the joke. Completely. You know, people go, Joe Rogan, that's my guy. That's my guy. He's, he's, he fits for me.

You know, he'll happily laugh at something even if it was totally shit. Exactly. Exactly. They've got this warm feeling. Yeah, I mean, I saw Joe do a set. It was maybe the first one that I saw of him. And, uh, at least, I would say 20% of it was storytelling. You know, it was humorous or whatever, but it was like, he did this bit about, is it, what's the animal that's got the females have got like a clit dick? Is that a coyote? Oh, is that a, um, uh, left

hyena? Hyena? Maybe. Yeah, maybe. And you're. You're like hearing him talk, and it's kind of entertaining. Well, like 90 minutes into learning about the, you know, the unique physiology of female hyenas or something. This is just a miniature version of the podcast. It's not necessarily even to do with the joke. So a lot of the time people go because they just feel comfortable listening to this person's

speak. Oh, this is familiar. Also, you know Joe actually gives a shit about that. And that makes you give a shit a little more. Like he's not, this is kind of funny. Like he's actually interested in that hyena clip. Yes. So that helps.

But like Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks, I don't know anything about Tom Hanks, but we love him. We love Tom Hanks, if he's in a movie, you just, it bumps up the box office tenfold, because we all love Tom Hanks. We know zero about him, except that he's been a retard of a military guy, a baseball player, you know, an astronaut, but I don't know what he about it, does he like chocolate, is he a pedophile or whatever, you know, but you like him. Have you ever been down the Tom Hanks is part of the Illuminati rabbit hole?

I don't wanna go. That's terrifying. We're going. So I don't even know what the Illuminati is. It's a guy's in a room with masks on. This one, if anybody wants to look at it, Google Tom Hanks glove Instagram photo. So there's a sequence of people that take photos,

famous people that take photos. And I think Tom was taking photos of lost gloves. That was his thing. So you'd see one on the street, and you take a photo and you put it on his Instagram. And in a bunch of the different photos, people had found chalk text that had been written on the floor below it, and it's downtown

fucking Denver or some shit. So it could just be anything, but people then started putting these codes in on the internet and bro, it's such a rabbit hole. Oh yeah. It's terrifying. That's so interesting. Terrific, yeah, I don't wanna go.

You've seen Tom Hanks' son, Chet? I love that guy. Wild. Hilarious. Absolutely wild dude. I love that guy. Good for him. When he stopped that, ladies like, yeah, yeah, I don't give a fuck and she's like you just think it's this this

He's like yeah, that's what I think it is and I was like yeah Fuck this lady have you have you ever had people kind of trying No Flimics you and I don't know how much Newsy interview we real press shit you do not a ton But I've definitely had people like so you think this and they keep trying to gotcha you. And you're like, what are we doing here? I thought we were just gonna hang out and talk or be funny and they're like,

but you, so you're saying, a lot of say you're saying, I'm like, no, I'm not saying that at all. Stop telling me what I'm thinking. But that's what we do because they want that clip or they want that win. And it's a real bummer, you know? So you think I ever mectin is whatever. I'm like, I'm just sayin' it's a Pulitzer prize-winning drug.

It's taken by millions. Oh, so you don't think it's horse-pap. I'm like, you haven't heard of Iver mect until two days ago. And now you're like wildly angry about it, you know? Like, I'm not the weirdo here. You're the weirdo. I'm agnostic, I don't give a shit, I'm neutral. Speaking of, I try to stay neutral.

Forest Gump and Tom Hanks, one of my friends is running across America at the moment. So he's doing 64, 65 days, 50 miles a day. So I think a few thousand people have been to the top of Everest. 300 people have run across America. Wow. So he's gonna be the fastest prick. I call Will Goog.

A Goog. If people wanna go and check him out, they can Google Will Gooch and support the running shit like that. But he's in, where is he now? He's in the Appalachian Mountains in Pennsylvania. He's going from LA to New York. Good for him.

Have you heard this new thing taken over where people do a 12 hour walk? Yes, my friends did this on Sunday. Really? And they say after about six, seven hours, first of all, your feet are bleeding, you know, but your brain goes to these places because we're so used to just being constantly entertained, phone, screen, computer, TV, Netflix. But it just go, oh, third grade teacher. Oh, summer camp. And you just go to

these crazy memory banks. And it's pretty wild. All of the times that you were molested is gonna get back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't need to walk for that. But I think this is the new craze, is this like shutting down, arm-ish, full-on disconnect? Well, what's that Jewish thing that people, Shabbat? Is it, what's the thing, whether? That is something, Shabbat Shalom.

Well, they do, they don't use, the Sabbath. Kind of, I think. I whether? That is something, Shabbat Shalom. Where they do, they don't use any. The Sabbath. Kind of, I think. I'm pretty sure it's called Shabbat. Anyway, it's from Friday evening until, I think Saturday. And they don't turn on any lights, they don't do any work, they don't blah, blah, blah. But I'm pretty sure that in really, really hardcore

Jewish households, for some of the things that they need to do, they have, it's almost like a Shabbat servant to do things like turning Yes, I'm a weird loophole, right? No, no, they'll right people in Brooklyn these orthodox guys like can you come in here and turn the light on? You're kidding. I swear to God. You're kidding. Do it. So some some kid in the neighborhoods like all right and flips it on That's so funny. It's so silly. Religious. Religion is so many dumb loopholes and stuff like that. Where are you living now in New York? I'm in the West Village, Manhattan. Okay, so he's that on the island?

On the island, baby, you know, Greenwich Village. It's Bob Dylan, Bleaker Street, Washington Square Park, the Comedy Cellar, the whole thing, NYU. Did you purposefully pick the distance from that to the cellist so that you didn the distance from that to the Salah? To go to the photo work. Well, I've always wanted to live in the village, just being a kid, growing up in the South, just thinking about a granite village.

Wow, you know, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen, all the other rapists. But, you know, they would all play these coffee houses and all that stuff. So beat Nick and folk music and all that. So I always loved it. So I moved in New York, lived in Brooklyn, way out, got mugged, got beat up, all that shit, bed bugs, and then slowly moved my way to Greenwich Village. I saw this story from some girl in New York. Women are wearing a safety layer over their

outfits in public to deter creepy men with many labeling it sad but necessary. This girl captioned a clip, the real fit is underneath. Apparently it's because of weird men on the underground, others who hadn't heard of this trends expressed how sad but necessary it is. This is sad someone else called it, what's it called? A fashion safety layer or the men blocker. Whoa. But there's all of these stories about just how bad New York subway is at the moment. Totally, yeah, it's pretty. Have you been on it recently?

Yeah, go every day, it's pretty dicey. Really? Like what's it like, people that live in, I don't know, London, where the underground is absolutely fine, or Tokyo, where it's also absolutely fine. What's the experience of getting on the subway like at the moment? Well, the thing with the subway is there's a hobo count went up way high after the pandemic

And so the subway is a place where you have a trapped person Like, you know, you run into a guy on the sidewalk on Broadway and he's like, Give me your money or I'll kill you whatever you're like, alright, just keep walking But the subway, you're waiting for the train or you're on the train So I think hobos have been like, I can get people there, the doors are closed. You know, you'd have to run up the stairs or wait for the subway to stop. So I think it started out as like,

now they're on the subway, I can get money out of them. But now it's kind of like, I'll also fight you. Why did the population increase? I think all the people moved out or stayed indoors during the pandemic. So the homeless kind of got a little more brazen and like we have the city door selves. What was that award ceremony

where there was tons of homeless people? Was it the golden globes or the Oscars or something? And they had to shift. They had to shift a ton of people out that were living in there. There was like a bunch of homeless people. A lot of tent, tent homes and stuff and they had to. They had to shove them all the way

to the side. They had to taprios coming. Yeah, exactly. They had to wait for your old girlfriend and stuff and he did. Yeah, they had to shove them all the way to the side. Capriott's coming. Yeah, exactly. A year old girlfriend and then once he's gone through that fine. Exactly. Yeah, well there was that story about that guy who restrained a dude that was under warrant and arrest and all this stuff and now he's not looking too good for him. Okay, I went from hero to murderer and like one second. Yeah, fuck.

And brutal. That's not uncommon to see, well, I mean, I'm sure that someone killing somebody on the, oh, but restraining somebody to death is uncommon, but like aggression and, no, not uncommon at all. People getting pushed on the tracks, just getting, I have friends who just got randomly punched in the head, you know, it's just,

it's just crazy people out and about mingling with millions of New Yorkers. So it's gonna be some tension. It's wild. Especially if you think coming from the UK where we have the underground turns, you know, it's not as big as New York, but it's not far off. Loads of tracks, everything's complex, different, it's the same, it's the same system. Yeah, the tube and it's lovely. Yeah, it's great. Almost pleasant experience. Yeah.

Yeah. Borderline pleasant. Now this is, this is like head on a swivel all the time. I did conversation with a friend a couple of nights ago and he was in, he lives in Tokyo. And as he gets on a train, he was having to text me on WhatsApp in response to my conversation through his AirPods because nobody speaks. You're not you don't know.

Is that right? No one speaks. Wow. And he was so concerned like there's some things where he was finding it. We were talking he was laughing. So I could hear him stifling a laugh doing like a whisper laugh Subway because he didn't want to make any noise that that's a little much. Yes, you know I'm really somewhere in the middle of the choking out and the texting, but that leads to a lot of repression too. My point being that you can be very civilized, like with the right culture,

you're able to complete your behavior pretty well. So for people to say, it's inevitable if you've got a ton of people living in a city and they're all gonna be underground, it's just, it's part for the course. What do you expect them to do? Mm-hmm. We go well like Behaving any way that the rest of the world does yeah, maybe I know it'd be nice But that's just not part of the culture and as much as we shit on America and America's racist and full of hate and bigoted and gun-tote and fat people which there are we're pretty

and gun-tote and fat people, which there are, we're pretty considerate and pretty lenient with nut jobs. We're in China, Japan. I feel like if some guys were in tatter clothes and smells like shit and going, ah, I'm gonna kill all of you, they'll just fucking knock that guy out, put him in a sack, tase him,

and throw him over the bridge. He's gonna make your shoes. Yeah, yeah, or that. So it's a task of making your shoes. Yeah, yeah, or that. To a desk and make your shoes. There's this company called Nine Line Apparel and they just did the owner just found out about, they did a test on the fabric of a particular garment supplier and they were able to trace all of the garments

back to weger workers. Whoa. It's supposed to be sustainably sourced, but it's not. And wow. Yeah, it's fucking to weger workers. Whoa. It's a stainless, supposed to be sustainably sourced, but it's not. And wow. Yeah, it's fucking crazy, dude. There's like millions of people maybe strapped to literally tied to desks, just sowing cheap,

unreal. Fast fashion stuff. Right now, 2023, right? Unreal and no one cares. No one's doing a thing about it. Not one tweet. Meanwhile, in America, nobody wants to work. Cause they're like, I need health care, I need dental,

I need free coffee, I need snacks, I need vacation time. Like my wife used to work at LinkedIn. I would go there. It was beautiful. I would hang out there. It was like pillows everywhere and espresso machines and candy and like a, what do you call ice cream booth. You know, and you could just go. I'm like, this is the chefs were making lunch every day.

It was incredible. Meanwhile, the weavers are tied to a desk. Yeah, they got the fucking suicide net outside the Apple company. Apple factory. Have you seen the South Park episode where Coleman gets a job? No. Oh, it's phenomenal. It's from this newest season.

But as gets a job at a nice cream parlour and Carmen's jealous because he wants a job as well. But as is referral and says, that's okay, like you can come and work, but everyone's like, did you, this is not going to last? Yeah. Someone makes a bet that you won't last for two hours. And five minutes into the shift, the boss comes over and Carmen sat on his phone and he says, what are you doing?

He says, I'm taking a mental health break. And then in the five minutes later, he says, oh, it's like take it easy Tuesday, and then I'm looking forwards to walk out early Wednesday. Like, you just, by the end of it, he's ringing butters from home whilst he's taking a mental health leave day,

saying, you do know that we're earning all of this money for the ruthless guy that owns it, and we're the ones that are doing the work, we really should own that place. Yeah. And on the money man, like, it's those guys, they're so geniuses because they nail everything and are funny and they never do interviews or anything so you don't really know how they think but they just, they got it, they get it right every time. Shit on everybody.

Yeah, it's beautiful and no one fucks with them because they're a cartoon. Yeah. Well, unless they put an image of Muhammad up, which that's true. Yeah, that got ugly eight years ago or something. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's a whole another. He's like the ultimate Karen. Muhammad, you know, he's like, Hey, I'll dare you. We're gonna shut this thing down. It's not him. Oh, yeah, it's true, but there is his, you know, lackeys. Yeah, yeah. That is a, it was, they did Andre Tate as well. In the last episode of South Park this season, so they started with Prince Harry. Oh, Andre Tate. Beautiful. I mean, there's a wealth of comedy out there now. It's so good. Megan Markle and, you know, Dolas Allas. I mentioned Trump. It's just what's's happening with dollars all? She's on OnlyFans. You're kidding me.

I'm a subscriber. Yeah. What do you know what she's doing? You know, fingering tits, the whole thing. Fingering tits. Yeah, well, she's going all in. She's, you know, it's a fetish. And I use her as gifts because it's not black,

but it counts, you know, it's close enough. So I saw this story about Prince Harry has lost a legal challenge over his bid to be allowed to make private payments for the police. You know, I always wanted jurisdiction review of the rejection of his offer to pay for protection in the UK. A judge ruled not to give the go ahead, home office lawyers have opposed the idea of allowing wealthy people to buy security from the police. So I wasn't really too sure about how I felt about this. I don't know what is it, can you translate that?

So Prince Harry no longer has his normal protection from being a royal because he lost his royal status. He, it seems, has security concerns when he travels to the UK. So his plan was to just pay for police to come with him so that there would be a degree of protection but also so that it didn't chew into the police's budget for whichever area of the country is. Got it. So you'll have seen the mothership, there is like a low key couple of cops that are on site.

Sure. And they're paid for privately. But they're, you know, like official car, I'm going to presume that they're not, they're probably off duty, still sanctioned. Yeah. I think that I don't really know how it works. Up until I'd seen that, I'd never really heard about anybody being able to pay for private police protection. But it actually makes a good bit of sense, because if you don't, if you don't allow somebody that's going to be heavily scrutinized and caused loads of, you know, go for amongst the public to actually have some protection, they're going to have to go in any case to do crowd control.

So just let them pay, I get other. Yeah, but they said no. No, they said no. I think there's a big problem, especially in the UK of allowing, like wealth in the UK is really, really looked down on, especially ostentatious as well. Yeah, so if you were to say, I'm going to use the money that I've accrued

to buy the usage of what is typically seen as a public service. So one of the reasons why people in the UK forget that you can get private healthcare because the NHS is there, so they would happily wait six months for their cancer to metastasize, so they can get their scan for free,

then think about paying for insurance. They'll pay for their dogs insurance, and in English bulldog, there'll be a hundred bucks a month or a couple hundred bucks a month. But they won't think about doing it for themselves. Interesting. And I think that the UK has a bit of a problem with people using wealth,

especially to sort of chew up services. Wow, Well, hey, I mean, you know, this kind of feels like the defund the police people who immediately call the police right when anything goes down. What's his fate? You know, Coleman Hughes? Yeah, I like that guy. Yeah, he's great. He was on CNN a couple of nights ago, and they were talking about why have we got these increases in crime and homicides and dead and it got toward the end of the segment and Coleman was like, I have an idea. What is it? And he said refund the police and they cut the segment. Ah, surely after that. We're going to have to, we're going to leave it there, Coleman. Thank you. See, that's what bugs we not to spin off. I don't know the thing, but that's what bugs

we about the times we're living in is I don't, you know, I get that we't have certain opinions, but we should at least be able to discuss everything. I know that's a different, differentiating opinion than CNN. You know, they have to go with the narrative, they have to go with the check boxes. But let's hear him out. You know, like, you bring up drag queens. And I don't give a shit about drag queens. I don't have kids.

It doesn't affect me. But just bring it up. My friend was like, oh dude, dude. Let's not even go there. And I'm like give a shit about drag queens. I don't have kids. It doesn't affect me. But just bring it up. My friend was like, oh dude, dude. Let's not even go there. And I'm like, why not? That's the weird part to me. A little bit different to me. No, no, on a podcast.

But that's why it weirds me. I'm like, so we can't talk about it. The not be able to talk about it to me is weirder than the actual activity. And that's what no one is understanding. You know, they're like, oh, you got a problem with drag queens? Are you like drag queens? I'm like, no, no, I'm neutral, but I'd like to discuss it.

And see if we get somewhere. It's an interesting situation, but then they're like, shut it down, shut it down, or cut that out. And I'm like, now that's the scary part, they cut that out. What are you so scared of? What is that feeling?

Like, oh, this is bad. We're in the red, shut it down, abort. I'm like, that's what worries me. Well, it's what worries me. Which because nobody is not allowed to have an opinion on everything anymore. Everybody has to have an opinion on absolutely everything. And I just want to learn, I'm an idiot, so I want to learn more, but they just say, trans is a big one.

So what's up with trans? If this is that, they want to talk about that, and you go, ah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you're like, well, now, now I'm really interested. It's kind of like when I was a kid, I was an atheist, and you go, so, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, asking it and they go, ah, shut the fuck up. Yeah, how dare you, you know, you're talking the name of God and all this shit, you know, the Lord's name and vein. And you're like, oh, you have no answer. And I feel like that's the same with all this stuff.

And I just want to learn. I'm not trashing heaven. I'd love you to heaven. But I want to get to the bottom of it and they start getting angry. And that's what worries me. My friends got this theory of bespoke bullshit. Many people don't have an opinion until they're asked for it.

At which point they cobbled together a viewpoint from women half remembered here say before deciding that this two minute old makeshift opinion will be their new hill to die. That's fucking perfect. Who is this guy? Yeah, it's the same dude. Old winded on fire. Gwinda Bogalier wrote this phenomenal article on tape. He's like, I force this guy onto the show,

probably every three or four months or so. And he's basically a digital ghost apart from tweeting aphorisms like that and writing awesome substacts. And I just like drag him kicking and screaming, place him on a podcast. And then he scurries away and learns more good shit and then I drag him back and bring him back on again.

Here's the question, why does he have to be a digital ghost? Because he doesn't want all the backlash and the bullshit, but we're just trying to learn. It does seem that way. The fact that everybody feels like they need to have an opinion on everything means that you remember the silence is violence. Oh, that was a good one.

Silence is compliance. Yeah. Thing is like, well, if you're pushing people to take a particular position and you can only allow them to either be for or against a thing, you're going to lose all of the interesting stuff. We're just gonna do it.

We're just gonna check out of having conversations. Completely. They're not gonna bother. And it's only science is violence if you're not saying my thing. You know, like, it's like when people go, we need more diversity and you're like, what do you mean? You need more people like me. Like, oh, you know, like, it's like when people go, we need more diversity and you're like, what do you mean?

Like, you need more people like me. Like, oh, you want, you want to be on the show. You know, you're not thinking about the Pacific Islander, you know, the wheelchair guy, you're thinking about you. So I get that, we're all selfish at the end of the day, but you get to be selfish and mask it with this guys of moral superiority. Yeah, it's pretty genius.

It's a performative empathy thing is, one of the reasons why I think everyone, I do think it contributes to cynicism because it's so hard to work out whether someone's being genuine or not. Yes. Yes. Is this person actually doing the thing that they say that they do because they care? Yes. Or are they doing it because they know that it's an effective current social

Trend to ride off the back of exactly exactly and you can see which way the winds blowing and most people I think just go I'll go that way because I don't want to deal with the eating yelled at and backlash and be late Remember what is it? Only 10% of Americans have a Twitter account So 90% of Americans don't have a Twitter account. Wow. Which means that, you know, and I think on Twitter, it's around about 95% of tweets are created by less than 20 or 10% of the users. So even there is a small cohort of people from the world who are on Twitter. And within the people that are on Twitter, there is

a small cohort of them that you almost all of the content. So the overwhelming majority opinion that you see is actually unbelievably unrepresented. They incredibly small and biased. It's all of the people that tweet a lot. You know, there will be something in common that everybody has.

You see someone post something negative or there's a flood of negative comments. And you go, I wonder what all of those people have gone in common because they will. There will be some things, some elements of personality that will contribute to have that be the case. Totally. It's not a representative sample. No, no, but they swarm.

They'll swarm on you and it feels like a million people. Yeah, John and the height called it death by little needles. You know, just like, you know, one needle prick, you're like, that was weird, but a million of them coming at you. That hurts. John Heitzd in some interesting stuff. You've seen that he's writing his entire book publicly at the moment.

What does that mean? So he's got, I think it's maybe a sub-starch or some other sort of mailing list. And he's got this book that's gonna be out at some point in the future. And each, maybe a few pages are each chapter. As he writes them, he's just publishing. As he goes.

That's pretty cool. And then he's getting feedback in the comments. And then presumably we'll be making adjustments in the final book. Whoa, that's like comedy. It's like stand up. Yes. Wow.

He's doing a live act and then editing. Yes, based on the discussion. You did a special. I did one yet. It comes out July 25 on Netflix. And they let me say everything. I mean, I really go hard. I was shocked at no notes.

So I think maybe things have changed or maybe Netflix once because any press is good press. So when you mean notes, you were able to submit it and they didn't say, we can't have that joke and take the R word out, all that. No, holocaust, trans, it's all in there. And everything's a joke, everything gets a laugh, but it's all the hot button topics.

I asked Schultz this question, do you think that there's any joke that is so extreme that it shouldn't be told? I don't, but I'm a comedian who likes fucked up jokes. He said, is it funny? That's I completely agree. And I was like, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry.

I would apparently it matters. Funny is every funny. It's a stand up comedy show at the end of the day, even if someone has a non-offensive joke that isn't funny I say get rid of it. It doesn't matter if it's offensive or edgy or whatever or or not edgy get rid of it Either way if it's not getting a laugh Funny is a is a you know what's that Oscar Wilde? You're gonna tell the truth you better be funny or they'll kill you and I think that's so true

And I would say the same for these people who their whole act is like, I was molested. I was the evictum of racism and you're like, that's easy. Anybody get molested or be a victim of racism? That's easy. The hard part is to get in the left. Anybody get molested? That's not an accomplishment.

You know, it's a sucks. But we gotta get the ha ha's in there. That's what Santa come in here. That's why it's an art form to get the ha ha's in there. That's what Sam County, that's why it's an art form and that's why it's fun. It's the whole point. Yeah, I was using this example. Did you see True Jody, do you know who that is?

I've heard of him, but I don't know. YouTube guy from the UK and he does podcasts. Big guy, tough dude, yeah, yeah. And he's from the city where I used to live. And he's Jake Paul. He's Jake Paul. Yes where I used to live. And he's Jake Paul. He's Jake Paul. Yes, I think not a massive fan of Jake Paul. He told a joke, him and Andrew Tate had had a run in for quite a long time.

And someone asked on a live stream forever ago, what do you think about Andrew Tate's recent conversion to Islam? And Brian Trajordi said, he should prove it to us all by blowing himself up. That's a good line. That's a good joke. Yeah. Like to legitimate joke.

And Andrew said the same. He was like, it was obvious, Mr. Rekt. He was playing off tropes. Like, it's just, it's classic joke. Classic. Yeah. I love it. And he got within 24 hours, my protein dropped him, gym shark dropped him,

Pokestars dropped him and he was banned on Twitch. Wow. 24 hours. See, that's horrible. And what annoys me about when people are like, he's got money, he'll be fine, shut up, he's fine. You're like, he lost all that. That sucks.

That's over a joke. So when they say like, oh, shut up with your complain. You can't, oh, comics can't say anything. Look, I still say everything I want. But this guy said one quick thing about a guy who's pretty well hated. And he's still gotten trouble. Yeah. That sucks. I hate the whole hillby fine. Because you're like, okay, so let's say. You call Michael Jordan the N word at a game. He's a millionaire.

Bawa, he went to work the next day. He's fine. So that doesn't matter. It still should matter. I don't get why calling someone a bigot and then calling someone the N word is not the same. Well, the problem that you have, especially if you look at, I don't know, someone's

quality of life based on how much money they're able to earn or how much money they've got in the bank account, completely disregards the fact that status is so important to the way that we feel about ourselves. Yes, yes. If you have this massive downfall, it's sort of everybody hates you and there's all of this bad stuff. And, you know, if someone's righteously indignant about the joke that you made against their religion or their race or their disability or their advertising campaign or whatever,

they're gonna be unhappy. But like that person is gonna suffer a lot. You have to be really, really fucking hard-nosed to go through a massive downfall. Totally. What was it that Rogan said, like the way that he dealt with his little, his thing a couple of years ago was like a moderate dose of mushrooms pretty much every single day. Yeah, yeah.

That was one of the framework, like training a lot and I did an ice bath and my diet was clean and I took a lot of mushrooms. Yeah. And you think, well, I don't know, man, like, that's a lot of stuff just to do the day. Precisely. From somebody that's gotten awfully long way to fall, like a crude, good bit of status and goodwill below them. And still, there's all of these things that you need to do. Oh, he'll be fine.

Well, yeah. Like the daily psychedelics and the eye-spacability training suggests that it's not just the sort of thing that you can easily get through. I think it's horrible. I think calling someone a trainee is mean, that hurts their feelings. I get it, it's horrible. I think calling someone a tranny is mean, that hurts their feelings, I get it, it's funny. But I get it when they're like,

hey, we gotta stop saying that word. And I think the same goes for people who just call everybody racist or a bigot or a transphobic or whatever, when they're not. You know, like if I kiss you, that doesn't make me gay, I just did a gay thing for a second. And if I make a racist joke or say a bad word, I don't mean that thing.

I just did it for a second. You see what I'm saying? And that's what bugs me. At what point do you become gay? I think when you're attracted to men. But how many gay things do you have to do before you become gay? I think it's all up here.

It's like being a woman. I identify. You identify. You can be straight. Yeah. Cause the sucking of identify. You can be straight. Yeah. Yeah. Cause the sucking a dick is just a physical act. Right.

But actually wanting the sucka dick, that's when you're gay. Interesting. Yeah. So, blow it, you can blow me right now. And I won't call you gay. I promise. That must dash. I want to jizz all over it.

Yeah. I've been trying to sort of really channel my 1970s Miami cop. It looks good. I'm good, yeah, fuck yeah. I'd sit on that. I'm a, I'm a ranger's fun. I'm a Texas ranger's fun now. Oh, nice.

It's a really nice ball. What do I need to know about American sport? What are the skills that I need to be able to watch American sport? Well, what do you mean the skills? Well, you gotta be fat, you gotta be drunk. Yeah, these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that? I haven't been to a baseball game since I moved here. What do you mean the skills? Well, you gotta be fat, you gotta be drunk. Yeah, these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that?

I haven't been to a baseball game since I moved here. What should I expect? Get a cold beer, you gotta learn the hey, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad's all fun and games and then maybe you can catch a fly ball, that's big. Then you got to give it to the retarded cancer kid with the bald head. So there's all kinds of tropes. It's fun. It's fun. You got the sun, take your shirt off, live it up, man. It's the American pastime. Fuck yeah. I'm excited. I need to, I decided that I needed a, I needed something. I needed a sport and a team that I could follow and Texas Rangers Oh, and by what were the reasons we wanted?

Place had a nice stadium place that wasn't more than three hours away place it was owned by racists And it turns out the George George Bush the Bush families just heavily invested in the brand new stadium for the Rangers I love it. So we got all three. Oh, you're gonna have a blast that I went to I went to Australia one time I went to I didn't even know the name of the sport Quick it quid it cricket. That was the thing was it cricket be go careful here This is the sport of my childhood. No, no, that wasn't quick as I know cricket. That's got the paddle. Yeah, this was more of a Sockery rugby kind of thing. Oh Aussie rules football. Maybe that was it. Yeah, and it was amazing Yeah, went to the big stadium the whole play. Oh, I oh, I was, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, oh, I, like a big hockey stick. They run sort of balancing the ball on the hockey stick. What? But it means that they can swing this thing unbelievably hard.

None of the players have got any teeth. It's like, wow. It's kind of the same as ice hockey without the ice or the skating. Wow. It's absolutely ruthless. You have to balance it while running. Yeah, so they do this.

It's fucking crazy, man. Hurling, look at that. And they can hit you with the stick. And they swing through a lot of the time. Oh my lord no helmet Can't remember I feel like the goalie's got a helmet, but not them Wow, and then there's gaelic football if you've seen that which is literally like halfway between rugby and football So they have the rugby Stands with the the thing yeah, and the bottom bit has got a net and got a goalie in it

Whoa, so you got to try and score in that you can get it over the top and there's other bits and pieces They're playing the player in Austin. I love it. Well, what about UFC? That's to me. That's my favorite Is that what you're spending a lot of time watching at the moment? That's my number one I like a one-on-one like I like tennis too. I like one-on-one. I like the mental part of it. I like the Different like this fighter is better than this fighter, but he can still beat him because of the style differences, you know? I love that kind of stuff.

And I loved learning, you know, Nate Diaz is a character. Connor McGregor is a character, a style bender. You get to know them, whereas football is just a bunch of nameless, faceless helmets. And I like that where you can kind of get to know, it's more like stand up. I went to Columbia at the start of the year to get stem cells. So I spent a full week in Medellin and my in clinic, like patient partner was Al Jermaine

sterling. So I got to spend a full week with him. What's he like? Fucking cool dude. Yeah. Very just like a chill, not like it's a a compliment, but unbelievably normal. Yeah, like incredibly normal. And I get the sense that if I'd spent the week

with Sugar Sean, it would have been less normal with Conor McGregor, it would have been less normal. But there are, you know, this is, you know, getting toward being super, super dominant within what's the three time defending champ now? Yeah, something like that. After 135 belt. Yeah. And next fight's After 135 belt. Yeah.

And next fight's gonna be against Sugar Sean. So yeah, he was really, really normal. Super nice guy texted his team on the night they had the fight and wished him good luck and stuff. And that's fucking cool, man. What they're doing. And haven't, hasn't the UFC partnered with WWE? Oh, is that right?

I hope not. I'm pretty, I'm absolutely certain. WWE UFC, I promise you that I'm gonna going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.

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I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. And on April 2nd, the second day of WrestleMania, CNBC broke the news that the WWE is to be sold to Hollywood talent agency Endeavour group holdings Endeavour, which also owns the UFC, is to merge the two iconic complimentary global sports and entertainment brands to form

a new $21 billion plus live sports and entertainment. Oh no, they took the money Dana white you cook good damn it. I hope there's not a I don't want to see just engage you could hit with a folding chair How far we gonna take this? I hope they don't mesh too much bring the dirty boys back Yeah, what is it Royal Rumble but in the octagon right now Rogan's gonna have to be us the new Slim Jim guy. Oh Yeah, what is it, Royal Rumble, but in the octagon? Right, now Rogan's gonna have to be the new Slim Jim guy. Oh, yeah! Oh boy. Yeah, funny man.

I don't know, I feel like everything kind of descends towards WWE. Well, it's interesting, because WWE basically, what they did was, they realized if we got rid of the sport element of the sport and we tried to create all of the drama as effectively as possible, what would we end up zeroing in on? So they've split tested the same way that you have with jokes for forever. Yeah. They've split tested what makes a compelling character, an narrative and rivalry, story. Yes.

So when people say this is becoming like WWE, what they mean is this is descending more into showmanship. It what's happened is WWE has captured the most effective way to create rivalry and intrigue and storyline in sport. Yeah, you know what I mean? Completely, 100%. I mean, that's as old as time. Good guy, bad guy, the fit of battle of the strongest wins.

And then you get the, we hate you more, you're the heel. And you play it up, it's nothing new, but it works. Well, that's Jake Paul, right? Jake Paul's professionalized the heel. Yeah. Someone fucking said about that when there was talk about, before Andrew Tate was into house arrest, there was talk about Jake Paul versus Andrew Tate fight and you think who's the bad guy? Right. Who's supposed to be the bad guy

in this fight? Well, I'll take it one step further. There's Jake Paul in your tape, but there's also AOC and Marjorie Taylor Green. That's also WWE. Fuck, did you see the image, the AI only fans enhanced image of AOC? No, please lay it on me. I'm going to get hard. I'm wearing a bathing suit here. Dude, it's so fucking good. I texted you. She's very attractive.

I texted this for a row a couple of weeks ago. Oh, come on. Yeah, that's not the sneeze that. And it's so weird. the caption above it says, will you give me your guns now? And the tweet is, you give me your guns. I'll give you these cannons. The top rated comment was, what was it?

This is an attack, quick objectifying the people who are helping to make our country and the place it needs to be, and write the wrongs of the past and give way for the future. Was that you needy killed my erection? That good try. Oh man. But that's the other thing is I talked to Schultz about this I think when the Miller Light ad came out.

He's like, look, I get it, women started brewing first, but can we just have fun? Can we just enjoy beer? That's the real problem with the ads. It's not like, I don't think a lot of you're like, fuck women, put them in bikinis. It's just like, I'm just getting lectured here about a fucking poison that I want to drink to forget about my job, you know?

Well, I think one of the main problems people have is they just seem like such humorous breaks. Yes. Yes, exactly. You're not charming. No, charming. For the people that haven't seen, especially the British people haven't seen this Miller light ad, it was basically snuck in under the radar at the same time as the

Dylan Mulvaney thing. Mm-hmm. And I think the lady that's presenting it is maybe an LGBT person too. Yeah. And she's walking through a museum and saying, women, brood beer, and how did we reward And I think the lady that's presenting it is maybe an LGBT person too. And she's walking through a museum and saying, women, brood beer, and how did we reward them? We rewarded them by putting them in bikinis and it cuts to a 1990s ad of two girls mud wrestling in all of the street.

And it's like you buy a Miller light and you're in a girls mud wrestling or whatever, which is true. People that drink Miller light probably are. And to that sort of stuff. And then the lady ladies castigating anybody that thinks that's cool, and it's like we're committed to changing, and you just think, I think a lot of things.

First off, I think, how fucking tone deaf do you need to be about your own audience? Yeah. How fucking confident do you need to be in your share price and your sales figures? Oh, yeah. And how little fun are you? Exactly.

So humorous. I know. Like, why can't progressiveness and inclusiveness be fun too? You're like, what? Also, not to be this guy, but what's so bad about bikinis? Like aren't all these women on only fans very empowering? You know, I thought that was empowering. Like, hey, we're taking our sexuality back. We make money on it, we do what we want. That's empowering. I'm allowed

to objectify myself, but you're not allowed to objectify me. I guess, but it's not like we, we tased a woman and knocked her out and put her in a burlap sack and then said, you're in this bikini commercial or we'll kill you, you know, she, I'm sure, thousands of women auditioned and we're like, I got it. I got the Miller light ad with the twins. Well, do you remember Diet Coke that yes All of the women's truck looking out over that no guy I'm watching I complained about it I'm looking forward to becoming skinny fat in middle age and being able to point at that and say that was what caused me to

lose my gains I was objectified. I didn't want to be seen as a sex object, not just a piece of meat. It's so funny how bad I want to be objectified. I would love a woman objectify me, but I guess it's supply and demand. They get it so much that they're like, I'm annoyed. I've got no objectification left to give Mark. I'm afraid. There's no more. Yeah, it's so fucking weird, man. I just, I really hope that we're around the corner from something that's gonna be different in terms of like cultural memes, because I'm kind of exhausted of it as well. Well, I think a lot of people are.

And I think it's almost like a fever breaking, like these Bud Light and Miller Light and the Starbucks and the Gov. What's the Starbucks thing? The Starbucks is, it's pretty great. It's an old Indian guy and he gets a call from his son So the sun pops up on the screen and he's like, damn and then Incomes his new daughter so that the sun transitioned so that daughter comes in and he's like, motherfucker

You know, he's all angry and the mom's like, come on be nice and he's like, you know what you're right Let's get a coffee and that's the ad So he's like, you know what, you're right, let's get a coffee, and that's the ad. So he's accepted his trans daughter. They bond over going to Starbucks. Yes, exactly, but it's just so forced. And I think it's great that he's accepting his trans daughter. That's great. And it's all for the love and everything I wonder about to get along. This fake Indian man is accepting his fake Indian trans daughter.

Exactly. Then go and shamelessly shill a multi-billion dollar. Yes. Enterprise. Exactly. And my joke was he's, I think he's really mad because his brother did the operation, you know. The Indian doctor.

But yeah, I just think it just feels forced. And again, why can't it be a funny ad? Like, it's cool with trans person transitioning, but like, make it fun. Why does it have to be so somber and educational? Dude, the Bud Light thing, the releasing, I saw this earlier on, Bud Light is set to launch a line of camouflage aluminium bottles that promote the folds of honor program, which provides educational scholarships for families of fallen and disabled and American military service members and first responders, the

New York Post-Respond reported. So basically, there is just this permanent flip flop between the two. Now the Bud Light thing, a very unpopular opinion for me to say, I feel bad for Bud Light because that was evidently a small influencer campaign that some portion, some advertising exec somewhere that's not in no position, but isn't the fucking owner, right, and isn't the shareholders and isn't all of the people that do most of the things. Some small portion that didn't have sufficient oversight decided that they were just going to chuck this set of cans to Dillamolvaney not realizing how badly it was going to go down. And now two huge big dick marketing execs have been fired,

this has been halted. And now they're trying to do all of this backtracking stuff. So even within that, and I don't think that Dill Dylan Mulvaney is going to tap into the core demographic of Bud Lighthouse, because even within that what you see is the desire for people on both sides of the fence to become offended. Like immediately you want to have this knee jerk reaction to be able to go see this fucking walk washing these cooked fucking leftist organiser they took our beer exactly like they took everything and I don't deny that it's a fucking shitty idea it's a shitty advertising campaign that doesn't target the right people and I don't

think that Delmovane should have been used but I do also think that going does this represent how long's buddha been around, fucking forever, right? Is this really, oh, finally, here's the mask off that shows that they were the America, hating, leftist, cook, CCP, sympathizing, bastards that we thought of all along. Well, you say that if somebody says one accidentally slightly or not untoward racist thing,

that that doesn't color their entire history. Nah-ha. But you're not necessarily prepared to give the same, that's good. That's good. Great. To give the freedom to the other side. Great call, great call.

So you're saying to the people angry about the new trans guy or translating being the sponsor, you can't just judge it all on one commercial. Yeah, I completely agree. And if you like Bud Light, just keep drinking it. Bud Light's a good beer. It's a good beer and it's very popular. I know what was it.

They had Bud Light has reportedly told wholesalers that it will buy back unsolved cases of beer that have passed their expiration date. 23% down year on year sales last week. Wow. And they're doing camouflage print in an effort to boost sales. They're doing all sorts of stuff. So they're, I mean, fuck dude, can you imagine being, I don't know, the CEO or the chief MD

or whatever of Bud Light, I'm waking up one morning and going, like, looking at your phone and being like, so we're trending. Oh, brilliant. Yeah. What for? Yeah. It's not brilliant, sir. Right, right. But what about the whole, any press is good press?

Is that just, is that a myth? Because this is the most pressing get. It's all we're talking about. It's all any, I mean, any comedy club is someone's drinking a Bud Light. It's boom. Yeah. Right to you, joke, joke, joke. Yeah. How can this not be good? Does Bud Light know something? We don't know. And then every other

beer company in Starbucks and all these other dov are doing it. So is there something we're missing or is this just a huge fuck up? I think it's a fuck up. Okay. So I have a friend who has spent a lot of time doing e-commerce and they've split tested bigger girls and they've split tested girls that are fit and he told me we have all of the data. Bigger girls don't sell clothes. Yeah. So when you look at Victoria's Secret, someone that's trying to undo their cis-hatronomative patriarchal misogynistic presuppositions of what a woman's body shape is supposed to be like, they are paying a price with their top line and their bottom line and eventually some

shareholder somewhere that owns 15% of the company is going to look at a report and say, what's going on here? Yeah. And you go, no, it's this, you see, it's this really cool social movement that we're a part of at the moment. It's like, it's real, it's super progressive. It's very good, you know, for the Gen Z 15 to 18 sort of leftly and he's going to say, get fucked.

Where's put the girls that sell clothes back in the website? Yeah, I mean money. So there is some criticism, like get what go broke. I have a friend that's done a shit ton of analysis on this. And the Gillette ad from a few years ago didn't impact long-term, didn't impact depositioning. And a couple of others, I'd love him to run the stats back on these and see what happens longer term. I think really huge brands, like a Bud Light or a Nike, Nike with Colin Kaepernick,

tons of people took offense to that campaign. You see, you got. Where are my keys? Yeah, where are my... I wear them every single day. Yeah. First off, when it's a product, if the product's good, you kind of don't care. I don't care. And secondly, if it's a big enough brand over a long enough period of time, people forget.

True. You know, but like, it may take them...it may take them five years, probably one. But it may take them five years to get themselves back. And we realized that we made some mistakes with this thing and it'll be back selling vision soon enough. Of course, of course. It's a fun blip in the whole thing, and we get to trash it and make fun of it.

But I do appreciate the swing. They took a swing, they seemed like they were the first one to try it, and it was a big swing, and it fucked up, but sometimes you gotta try a crazy idea and sometimes it fucks up like got milk. Got milk was huge. What's got milk?

Got milk was this ad, milk was just going down in America. Everybody hated milk and just people turned on it. Got milk was this one ad where a guy's eating a peanut butter sandwich and it's all close up and he's watching a movie and he's like, mm, mm, and the phone rings and he's like, oh, oh, oh, and it's like, you've won the million dollar prize. Just got to answer this one question

and that whatever the question was was about dinosaurs. And they show his wall and it's full of dinosaur posters. He knows everything about dinosaurs, got dioramas and all this shit. And he's like, we're gonna horror, we're gonna like, we can't understand you, you lost. And then it goes got milk.

Like a milk glass of milk would have gotten the food down. Right. Huge ad campaign. People at T-shirts got milk. Just billboards say got milk. Milk skyrocketed. It went through the roof and it changed everything. Milk stocks had never been higher.

Huge milk stocks. So I think Bud Light was like, it's so crazy it might just work. So I think you take a shot every now and then. That's kind of fun. Yeah, I, I don't know, man. Again with the delivery, let's say that, and this would be an interesting question to ask, you know, the most ardent, like Matt Walsh.

I'd love to ask Matt Walsh. Hey, Matt, how did it have been funny or entertaining? Yeah. What would you have thought? Mm. Like, would it have been, because we said, is there a joke that's so offensive that it should never be told if it's funny? No. I agree. Right. So if an advert is entertaining and good, should it have not been put out? You go, well,

there's probably some limits because it kind of creates a role model, you know, talking about kids and positioning and shit like that. But to what, 21 plus in this country, pretty much every state in order to be able to drink. So I don't know, it had it been entertaining, but it was just, yeah, I wondered I wanted to find this out. Can you imagine how much you could sell a Delano Vene can of Bud Light for? Because there was only six pack of them that was ever created. If she started huge money. Yeah. Crazy. That's like that monkey NFT. You know, that's going to be brilliant.

That's going to be a new board, eight. Yeah, a board eight. Board Dylan. Yeah, but I do think there is, they were tapping into something the right way. I think there's controversy can lead to huge numbers and huge sales like trans controversy when you're a beer brand. I guess not, but like Lil Nas X, you know that guy? Good Lord. Yeah, he's not gay.

I heard. So he's not gay? He's not gay. It's just all adding onto his brand. I'm gonna Google this. Is Lil Nas X? And a lot of people hate him because he's gay. He's a devil guy.

He's against conservative values, Christian values. Lil Nas X came out as gay being the only artist to do so while having a number on record, but you're saying I'm saying that was a branding move. Very smart. Marketing. Very smart. Lil Nas X came out as gay on the last day of Pride Month while he was number one. That seems... Feels very calculated. Lil Nas X says music industry wants LGBTQ plus artists to be gay without being gay. Ah, this is pretty good. No, this is just what I heard.

I'm not saying it's a new. It's a new... ...to be more gay. Prove it. Yeah, blow me. Self-in here. Yeah. I saw him perform at Austin City Limits.

Oh, wow. Last year. Like, that's one of those things. You know when you see, you've been to see a ton of bands and the shows are between a thousand and two thousand and it's like a band, it's like a normal band, right? And then you go and see a performance like a Lil Nas X thing. And the guy is sprinting off stage to do fucking costume changes and shit in between songs and it's all choreographed and the stance numbers and then he comes out and he's on a harness and he's flying through

the air and there's a helicopter and like all sorts of stuff. And you go, oh, okay, this is different. This is like, yeah. This is something else. This is no longer a musical. Exactly. This is a fucking performance art. Right, right. And I think, which jeans about him is, Bud Light, you have to go Bud by Bud Light and

people see you drink out a bar and everybody makes fun of you. This you can put in your iPod and your earphones and you still sell the song, but you don't have to be seen with it. No public branding. Yeah. Did you see when Harry Potter first came out and it was super popular and people hadn't read it, but adults didn't want to be seen in public reading a children's book. They released adult covers of Harry Potter so that it looked less children- Genius.

So I wonder whether people are going to get koozies that you've got slots over their bud lights. Yeah. This is Corona. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they should do this for Kitty porn. Just put on an adult woman on the cover. And then there you go.

All right, that's my last kitty porn pedophile joke, because it's getting a little weird. I asked an ethicist, a porn ethicist, whether or not illustrated like anime or manga, child porn is an ethical. Manga? You're like anime. Okay.

Manga and anime, like, Hentai. Oh, I got you. Hentai, I guess Oh, I got you. I guess it would be called, whether that's an ethical, because let's say that you're able to reduce real world harm by having illustrations. Nobody's been hurt with the illustrations. And it's just a problem, perhaps, the illustrator.

Interesting. And you're getting it out a little bit. Now you have to touch a kid because you're getting it out at home. Real world's concerns have been, real world damage has been reduced. It's a pedophile method on. Well, here's a child sex robot unethical.

Yeah, yeah, that is tough. Well, I think this, you could say this for Woody Allen. Like, aside from the touching his daughter's accusations, he married his adopted kid, right? Soon yee, and obviously his adopted kid, right? Soon ye. And obviously that's weird, but they're still married. They love each other. Is it wrong?

Fucking crazy, man. So I learned about why we have incest aversion. Ryan Long was gonna try and do, he texted me about, like he'd listened to the episode I spoke about. He was like, we're gonna try and work this into a set. I was like, dude, if you manage to get this concept into a set, I'll be very fucking impressed. Yeah.

So the reason that, do you have brothers and sisters? All the brother. Okay, cool. So the reason that you don't wanna fuck your brother is something called the Western Mark effect. So between the ages of about two and I think it's 12, there is a window of time and if you are around another young child who you see interacting with your parents in particular kinds of ways,

there is a bucket in your mind that that individual goes into that means that you're going to be sexually repulsed by them. Now, the reason that this is interesting is you can imagine a scenario in which twins maybe or brother and sister are separated at birth or separated perhaps in early childhood and then come together later on and they can find that they've got loads in common. Well, of course you do. You share maybe 50% or 25% of your genetics together. So they go apart and then they come back and you go, you know, how disgusting is it? How terrible is it for brother and sister to have sex? You're like, it's pretty bad. They're gonna procreate. It's pretty bad. But the reason

that you have an aversion to it has got nothing to do with your genetics. It's everything to do with this western mark window. And the same thing happens interesting with fathers. So if you have an absentee father, you know, a lot of single mother households and stuff where kids grow up in, father leaves comes back into the daughter's life, perhaps at 16 for whatever reason, and maybe some daddy issues might contribute to it. But generally, you, there is a lack of incest diversion that goes on there from sleeping bedding. So you've got this father that comes back in, the abandonment finally being accepted by a man, a man that I have a lot in common with,

cause you do, you know, he's literally 50% of your genes. So, yeah, pretty fucking crazy. So the Westamark window is a key period, and you can also have another way, adopted siblings who are not genetically related, can find massive incestivision to each other. Even though, yeah, because they just went through that window together. Yeah, wow.

How cool. That's super cool. And I'm lucky because my family is not attractive. So that helps. But wow, that is thank God for that's a good advertisement for the nuclear family. Keeping the family together to make sure that you keep your brothers and sisters apart. Yeah, yes, clip it.

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cure transphobia, not trans people, too queer for me and we belong everywhere. They made kids. What does that do with devil, like in the devil? They also made some like satanist stuff. Okay, okay. That's apparently also sells a pearl that includes satanic imagery, including pentagrams, haunt, skulls, and references to the devil, like in the devil. They also made some like satanists. Oh, okay, okay. That's apparently also sells a pearl that includes satanic imagery, including pentagrams, haunts, skulls, and references to the devil.

So here's a thing. Did you see, was it Sam Smith? He performed as like a big black blob kind of thing? Yeah, white guy, but like big black blob. Oh, yeah, he was wearing a black, inflatable kind of suit. So he made, he came out and he was like, there was double horns and whatever, whatever. And a bunch of people, especially sort of Christian commentators, like, yeah, you see it's this, this thing.

And I get it, but it does seem like the more conspiratorial elements of America. I don't think that it's great to have a devil upon stage, but I don't know. To me, there's no more existential difference between that and it being Mickey Mouse or it being, you know, like, for anything else. It's just a point. It's all fake. Yeah. Yeah. I don't believe in the devil either. No. But if you had Santa Claus upon stage, it's what you represent. It's like, well, but the difference is that the devil is equated with evil. Yeah. So Santa Claus. Yeah. Like if you had the Thanos, if someone went up and they were right, right, equated with evil. Yeah. So the evil's not. So the evil's not to close. Like I said, no. Like if you had Thanos, if someone went up and they would be like, right, right, right,

Darth Vader. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's just the moral panic to some regard over like satanic imagery. I don't know my position on it. Yeah, I might come back, come around to it

in a couple of years time and say, actually, yeah, no. Fuck, we can't have this. It's turning all of the kids into Satanist. Right. Well, it's funny what imagery you're allowed to have and like somebody, I can't remember who, some community had a great bit about how as a kid, you could dress up as a pirate. And pirates are rapists and thieves and pieces of shit,

like drunkards and they would steal your boat until you take your money and your women. They're legit. Yeah, but like if you dress up as a Nazi, you're a piece of shit, but like they're both evil. Pirates are one of the few fancy dress categories that as of yet the cancellation, how it hasn't come up for. Yeah, that's true. I think because there's nothing it'll take from them except, I don't know when I patch.

Or I don't know, it's all these like a like Captain Phillips. Did you ever see that movie? Yes. Yeah, those are pirate. Those are the modern day pirates. Yeah, if you dressed your son up as a Somali. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But it's just weird how like Tony soprano is like this praised guy, he's a cool guy, but he's a fucking sociopathic murderer. Yes.

You know, but we pick and choose, like, well, he had a family and he was funny and likable, but he was a murderer. But that's the thing. If you're able to be charming and funny and entertaining with it, people will allow so much. Oh yeah, like Barack Obama. I don't know, I don't think about politics,

but all I hear is he killed millions of people and all these innocent families and he bombed them. But he's cool as shit and good-looking. Good speaker, fun. Recently narrated a series on Netflix about nature, I think, to to to that. Yeah, nature shit. I don't give a fuck that he did all those things. I mean, it's horrible, I guess, but I, you know, I'd have said out of mind. Well, wasn't that the

same Bill Clinton's widely regarded as one of the most charming people that's ever totally disearth, right? Totally. Anybody that's ever met him in person felt like they were the only one in the room. Yes, yes. There's all of these stories, millions of stories, right? I've heard about this. And you go, yeah, I can see, you can see why you managed to get through all of the different scandals and all the rest of it. So yeah, there's a charm, I guess goes a long way. It's like Samuel O'Jackson.

It's one charming motherfucking pig, Pulp Fiction. But yeah, like, he's like, I don't dig on swine because it's the same reason we only dogs. They're charming But we pigs because they're gross and ugly. Didn't you once say that charm is makeup for men? Yes, wow good memory Well done. What do you mean? Well, I mean like like you know when you have sell like a one-night stand Most guys typically want the lady to get out of there because we don't want to be charming again

It's a lot of work being charming is exhausting So like you just want wanna be done with it, and I think women feel the same way, where you're like, hey, you wanna come over, and they're like, I'm not wearing makeup, but I wanna put it on and put on an outfit.

I mean, my pajamas here. So that's our makeup. Charming, confidence. I'm not confident, but I gotta fake it on a date. You gotta put the effort in. Yes. You gotta ramp it up the full hunt. Exactly. So when guys are like, I need this fake it on a date. You've got to put the effort in. Yes. You've got to ramp it up the full hunt.

Exactly. So when guys are like, I need this girl out of my apartment. It's just because I need a minute. I need a break to be myself. Yes. To fall out and pick my feet. And yeah, my wife, lover to death, but when we started dating, I would go on the road

and I would come back and you know, be a six hour flight and she's like, come over and I'm like, I would lie and say my flight was later. Just to buy me a couple hours at the house where I could just fart and be a shithead and take a dump and watch a couple minutes of YouTube and all that. Wow. Yeah, and she's like, you don't like me?

She took a person, I'm like, no, it's not even about you. It's just me, I gotta be a piece of shit. That's such a decrepit, awful, hateful creature. Yes, you don't want to see me like when I'm like this. Right. Because it's like a, They got the Kiwis on their eyes.

Yeah, don't look at me. Don't look at me. I haven't got my makeup on yet. Exactly, that's our version. Yes, very fucking good. Mark Norman, ladies and gentlemen, what have you got coming up next? People in Australia, can they buy tickets?

Buy tickets, we're adding shows like crazy. I go, I don't know when this comes out. It'll be out in a week. Okay, great, so I'll be there now. Tickets are still on sale, I'll go on a New Zealand Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide, Sydney, you name it, and then you don't say new tour announcement coming out

in August, the tickets are on sale now, they're on my website and a new special in July. Fuck yeah, it's all happening. Things are cooking, it's all downhill from here. I appreciate you man. Thank you, this was fun. you