Modern Wisdom - #679 - Sara Saffari - What Is It Like Trying To Date Gen Z Guys?

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

Sara Saffari is a fitness model, influencer, athlete and a YouTuber. Many young people dream of being young, fit, and famous. Lots of us are seduced by the idea of the attention this brings, but what's the reality of being so exposed in a world filled with scrutiny, stalkers and haters? Expect to learn what Sara thinks about the muscle mommy movement, what makes women genuinely attractive, the biggest problem with dating Gen Z boys, Sara’s thoughts on the Bradley Martyn vs Logan Paul fight, Sara’s top 10 exercises to build muscle, whether she would ever start an Only Fans and much more... Sponsors: Get a 35% discount on all Cozy Earth products by going to http://www.cozyearth.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 2 months free from Levels on an annual membership at https://levels.link/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 10% discount on all Gymshark’s products at https://bit.ly/sharkwisdom (use code: MW10) Extra Stuff: Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the show. My guest today is Sarah Safari. She's a fitness model, influencer, athlete, and a YouTuber. Many people dream of being young, fit, and famous. Lots of us are seduced by the idea of the attention that this brings, but what's the reality of being so exposed in a world filled with scrutiny, stalkers, and haters? Expect to learn what Sarah thinks about the muscle-mommy movement, what makes women genuinely attractive the biggest problem with dating Gen Z guys, Sarah's thoughts on the Bradley Martin vs Logan Paul fight, her top 10 exercises to build muscle, whether she would ever start an only fans, and much more.

I had a lot of fun talking to Sarah. She does not fit the airhead fit chick caricature that many people in that industry might accuse her of being. She is really, really funny, genuinely funny and a very, very nice person. Also, you get a window into what the world of Gen Z is like, which is equal parts hilarious and terrifying. So yeah, get ready for that. Don't forget that you might be listening but not subscribed and that means you will miss episodes when they go up. So if you want to support the show and if you want to make me very happy indeed, just take

two seconds and press subscribe. On Apple Podcasts or Spotify or wherever else you are listening. Go on. I thank you. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Sarah Safari. Sarah Safari, look at the show. Hello, thank you for having me. How are you? Good, how are you show. Hello, thank you for having me. How are you?

Good, how are you? Very good, thank you. Talk to me about the Muscle Mummy movement. I'm hearing about it on the internet. The guys, there's like a move away from thin spell to fit spell to now Muscle Mummy, which is the step up. And even though you only just heard about the word today, it feels like you're part of that movement.

Yeah, people have been commenting, like guys comment on my posts, like, Muscle Mommy sometimes. And like, I'm not gonna lie, I kind of like it. But today was the first time that I've heard like, women addressing themselves as Muscle Mommy or each other as Muscle Mommy. Jim Shark did a Muscle Mommy t-shirt. Yes, and I was at the event.

And I, like, even, you know, girls talking on the intercom or whatever, they'd be like, okay, Muscle Mommy t-shirt. Yes, and I was at the event, and I, like, even, you know, girls talking on the intercom or whatever, they'd be like, okay, Muscle Mommy's, like, let's keep pushing. And I was like, I've never heard this. Like, I haven't heard, like, women addressing women as Muscle Mommies. I thought it was more of like, like, kind of joking, flirty type thing, that guy's comment on girls posts

on Instagram. Taken the word and made it your own. So, you're 23? 22. 22. You probably growing up would have seen body types change from I guess when you were maybe 11, 12, 13 through to now. For sure. Talk to me about like that ideal female shape and kind of the lessons that you talk about what an attractive woman is Yeah, physically over time For me growing up at first I was really skinny and then through high school Like I would always inflectuate and wait like I'd go anywhere from 130 pounds to 100 pounds

Which is a pretty big difference when you're already way like kind of low which is a pretty big difference when you're already way kind of low. But I would always be told by my mom, like confidence is what makes you most attractive. Like it's not what you look like. It's who you are and how you carry yourself. Sorry. And so that's what I was taught growing up. But for me personally, if I ever saw a girl with abs, I loved it.

I loved the look of it. I thought it was so, I don't know, attractive to me. Like, that's what I was aiming for. That's what I wanted. But I never knew how to get there. Like, I didn't know, like, oh, how does a girl get abs? I thought it was just all genetics, but no, diet comes into play, working out,

comes into play. So. And now, does this move. You remember when thigh gaps were a thing when everybody wanted to thigh gap? Bro, yes, I remember being at lunch in high school and girls would look at each other and be like, oh, you have it, oh, you don't.

The most toxic thing ever. I remember I didn't have one at the time, or I don't like, I ever had one, but I would go home and I'd beat myself up about it because girls would be pointing out how it's like good to have a thigh gap. And it interesting, like the internet's kind of become very obsessed physically with the way that people appear.

Like both guys and girls, guys are getting leg lengthening surgery, you see this? I haven't heard of that. Yeah, they get the, I'm pretty sure it's the shins extended, yeah, they break the shin, stretch it a bit, the bone re-grows, they break it again and keep on going and guys can add inches to their height. At my point being that people like optimizing

for really weird, kind of, not arbitrary, but they're optimizing for like weird stuff. Yeah. One of the things that nobody ever talks about is that sort of hotness or sex appeal that people have just from the way that they hold themselves. Yeah. I just from the way that they hold themselves, and from the way that they act.

I think that that has a huge amount of appeal to people. Even if you don't wanna admit it, I think if someone is confident, it can make them from a six to an eight. Depending how they carry themselves, I think for sure it can. And obviously, online dating and spending tons of time on Instagram negates a lot of that.

Like you don't get to see that, even in a pose, somebody can pose themselves in a sexy way. Oh, that's not it. And not have the confidence to be able to pull it off face-to-face and vice versa. Yeah, for sure. So you have managed to gain quite a bit of notoriety

in a very short space of time. I think the number one job or occupation that young kids in America say that they want when they grow up is influencer or YouTuber. And in China, it's astronaut or some other, some other cool, like something that's way less blame. Yeah. Talk to me about this rapid gain in status. For guys, there's an obvious advantage, at least on the surface. Yeah, for sure. More people know me, I have status, girls will like me.

But for a girl to gain millions of followers in basically no time at all, I know that seems interesting to me that there's probably more advantages that people wouldn't see and then some disadvantages who wouldn't see as well. So what's that been like? Yeah, I think for me, I'm not gonna lie. I think the money has been a great part of it, but for me, I'm not someone who spends my money on materialistic things.

Like I was just telling you how I have fake shoes on. Like they were a hundred bucks. You've blown it to the internet. Yeah, they know. I think if they know, they've watched my content, they know that I don't like splurge. You know, I save all the money I make, like sure. Maybe when I go to in and out,

I can eat a little bit better. Like I can order the fries or order the four by four instead of just like the single burger. But for me, like the money's nice because now I know I have the power to, you know, if my mom needs a new car, I can be the one that does that for. Or like, you know, we're looking to like moving out,

maybe getting a new house, I know that I can pitch in and carry my weight financially and something like that. So I think just like not necessarily physically having the money, but having the peace of mind of knowing that, you know, I can support myself or my family. And what's the increase in attention being like, you just came from this big gym shark event

that we were both at. Yeah. And you got swamped by men. You say that 90% of your audience is men. Yeah, that's all that. And you're a five foot three. Hey, five foot four. Give me a break.

You're a small girl that's being surrounded by a shit ton of men. Like, talk to me, talk to me about this. Like, this is in some regards, like a nightmare scenario that girls literally would hate. And then in other regards, this is the price of doing business for you. Yeah, for me like today I realized how many people came up and was like, so you're really funny.

I love your content. And I think that's the best compliment for me to get is being like, oh, you're funny. Or, you know, it's more than just like, oh, it's just like another hot girl on Instagram posting bikini pictures. Like, if they find some kind of value for my content, even if it's just humor, like, sure, I'm not giving anything educational, but if they are laughing while watching my videos or watching me fuck with Bradley or, you know, whatever it is, like, that makes me happy. Cause I know after I watched a Danny Duncan video

or a Gideon video, I feel good. I was laughing through the 10 minute video. So. What about the negative sides of the attention? Have you had many? I've had some, I've had some, maybe the best not to say them to not dress like very much attention to those things,

but I've had some some weird or bad experiences with people But for the most part, it's all been good. I feel like regardless whatever I involve myself with even if I was You know using my degree and working a nine to five job. It wouldn't all be good There would still be some bad bad days. There would be you know people I work with. There would be downfalls and other aspects of working at an office from 8 to 5. I'm definitely seeing a move online of one of the dudes from the UK made a video called the Jimbro Culture 2.0. He was talking about the move from the more like Ziz era exclusive body side stuff

to a more holistic integrated, it's life advice, it's an older brother rather than a party friend type thing. I would be interested, I definitely think if you look at the fitness world for girls, it's still pretty trapped in the, it's all about your condition, your tan, the size of the bikini. And I wonder, I don't know, like if you have a personality as a girl who's also into fitness, whether some people, and this is the same for guys too,

whether they almost feel like, if I let the weirder side out of me, that this is going to, I don't have many role models that do that, or if I let them all intellectually curious side out of me, that this isn't what people want on the internet because all they want, I need to be leaner, I need to be bigger, I can't show any personality. And it seems like it fills to me a little bit like the tides shifting with that.

Yeah, no, for sure, I think it is shifting. I think that, you know, there's people on social media. I know there's one guy that works out at Zoo Culture and he does not have the traditional body type like whatsoever, but he is the funniest person online. He is super caring, like he'll always ask me, like, hey, I want to do this bit, like would this be okay with you? Like, I want to be respect, love you, would this be okay with you? Like, it's just, he crosses like all, you know, he checks all the boxes to make sure he does, does a good job and he's so funny online.

His name's Felipe, but he is so funny. But in no ways, would you look at him and think, oh, that's your typical like influencer body builder. Hmm. Talk to me about this new trend of girls tick-tockin guys looking over while they're doing videos. You spend a lot of time in the gym,

in the age bracket, you're big on tick-tock, you're big on social media platforms. Give me your lay of the land. What do you think about this trend? I think, I think sometimes guys looking at girls, depending on the age gap, I think the age gap does matter. I think if you're a 22 year old girl and there's a 25 year old guy just glancing over here and there, without constantly staring, might be his way of shooting a shot or whatever.

On the other hand, if he's 55 years old and he's just continuously staring at you, that could be off. But then he also might be staring at you. That could be off. But then he also might be looking at you because you have a camera propped up and he's like, what is this girl doing? Like I don't know what this is. You know, or he might want to try to not be in the frame. Why do you think this is happening?

Why do you think that this trend is occurring? Like do you think that these girls actually feel this way? Honestly, no, I don't think, I think that like, you know, sometimes maybe they catch it in the moment and they think like, oh, this is what's gonna make me blow up. Because I see myself as a very like, I'm constantly aware of who's looking at me or my surroundings or whatever or, you know, if I'm walking out of the pool and I see a guy look a little bit too much, I'm like, can I help you? You know, I'm constantly aware of that, but never have I been around other girls

and I see them being that aware of things. Not usually, I feel like girls aren't usually that that aware of it. And I suppose when you're videoing yourself and you watch it back and you go, oh, like, oh, God, oh. That's your external awareness almost. Yeah.

Yeah, so he was the thing that I thought when that main huge video went out and you go, Yeah, what he did. And then she did the apology and a Joey Swole like found his new content arc. What happened there was people that spend a lot of time on the internet use other stories from the internet as a guide, a guard rail and a guideline for how they should behave as well.

Lots of girls looked at that situation. And if you'd said to me, if you just shown me the video in isolation, I couldn't see the comments, I couldn't see the likes, and said, what do you think's the response to this? It could have gone either way. I could have seen it as a coin toss that the internet would have flamed the guy

and said, that's too much, that's out of order and cited on the sort of victim hypersensitive side. Yeah. Or they could have gone the way that they did go, which is he looks over three times in 90 seconds, you're pointing a camera at him and you're shorter in your ass.

Yeah. What did you expect? And you can't do a glute bridge. Like, what'd you expect? Yeah. So what happened, the way that I saw it, and this is kind of why it's so interesting, lots of people that spend a lot of time in the internet,

look at situations like that, that are kind of landmark opportunities for a common scenario to play out online. And they use the way that that fall out occurs as a barometer for how they should feel if it happens in their life in future. Yeah. I see, yeah. Because the pushback was there, lots of girls now realize that, oh, if a guy looks over three times in 90 seconds while I'm doing a glute bridge,

maybe that's the sort of thing that I don't need to be too concerned about. The problem is it could have gone the other way, and that now lowers the ceiling for guys to be scared that if they look over too much, whether they mean to or whether they don't, that they're going to be in trouble. But the other one is it makes an increasingly fragile generation of young girls who feel victimized and concerned if a guy does look over. Well, I saw this video on TikTok and the whole internet said that they need to, if this happens, that that's unspeakable. And I've heard about the dangers of me too, and I shouldn't walk alone at home at night. This is too much.

So you're almost outsourcing your anxiety level to the internet. And it's purely by fortune and the way that the internet responded, that that didn't reset most gym girls' expectations, that that's something to be scared or offended by. Yeah, but also coming from the other, you know, other side, I, I can see myself like if a guy is squatting, I could see myself looking over not because I'm trying to hit on him, but because I'm like, wow, like his form is so good or wow, he's breaking 90 degrees or his knees are being pushed out very well or that's a lot of way, like, oh, how many reps is he gonna go for? I can I totally do that in a non like sexual way what so I do you hit on guys at the gym? Have you ever had to do it? Yeah. I know. It's just all inbound

for you in the culture. No, I'm not saying it's all inbound but I'm saying that like I don't think the gym is necessarily where I'd want to be approached so I don't think I'd want to approach someone in the gym. Why wouldn't you want to be approached in so I don't think I'd want to approach someone in the gym. Why wouldn't you want to be approached in the gym? You like it? It is the only two hours out of the 24 hours that I get to enjoy. Why? What else are you doing for 22 hours? Lying in bed, doing homework, eating, sleeping. It's my two hours of Friday nights people go out with their homies, have a good time.

That's every day for me from the hours of 11 nights people go out with their homies, have a good time. That's every day for me from the hours of 11 to 1 at the gym. What about when you finish your masters? Are you going to do that? Maybe I'll get a PhD. I'm kidding. Well, talk to me about that. Okay, so how much harder has dating been for you with all of this attention?

You can't go, it's going to be like if you go for dinner with somebody, if you go out on a date with somebody, the difficulties increased exponentially and now it's all of a snapshot. Yeah, yeah. It has made things harder for sure, especially if the person you're seeing or your with doesn't do what you're doing, so they don't understand that sometimes,

like for me, I don't drink, but going to an event, sometimes I have to go because I think, like, oh, what about the business connections I could make from going to that event or the people I could meet or whatever, not in a relationship intimate way, but in a business relationship type way. And I feel like sometimes it's hard for people that aren't doing this to be like, well, no, you don't have to go to that

or you don't have to go to Vegas for this or you don't have to go to Miami for that. And I'm like, well, no, you don't have to go to that or you don't have to go to Vegas for this or you don't have to go to Miami for that. And I'm like, well, no, I don't have to, but I feel like there would be connections there if I did go. Also, I suppose if someone is in the industry, they get injected into this level of surveillance and scrutiny that you have that they didn't sign up for.

Yeah. And now you're like, oh, why don't we go see Oppenheimer or whatever. And you go, oh, by the way, people might come up and ask you to take a photo of them with me. Yeah. And now you're like, oh, why don't we go see Oppenheimer? Or whatever. And you go, oh, by the way, people might come up and ask you to take a photo of them with me. Yeah. In other news, this episode is brought to you by Cozio. We sleep one third of our lives.

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Yeah, that's interesting. Talk to me about guys your age. It's like this, a fucking moral panic on the internet about Gen Z men, especially their pathologically fapping their way through a monster energy fueled video game and porn binge Like what what a gen Zed guys like the ones that you either grew up with or sometimes try and speak to with regards to dating or Anything what how do you categorize them? How do you classify them? I feel like there's a lot of growing to do from the age of 22 to 27 for men. I think 22-year-old men just aren't there yet necessarily. I'm pretty mature for my age. I think the guys that I've counted for the most part just aren't there yet. They're just immature, maybe caught up with kind of a younger mindset.

Yeah, so what are they doing? Like, what are they, what are they prioritizing? What are they concerned about? I think they prioritize friends to good amount, which isn't a bad thing. I'm just saying friends a lot, parting, going out, you know, drinking. I wonder how much of that's an LA thing. I think a good amount of it might be an LA thing. I think if you go like to a rural town in Kansas, maybe it's not as much. Yeah. Have you heard of slow life strategy?

Do you know about this? Slow life strategy? Yeah, so there's a, it seems at the moment based on the data that Jen Z, both guys and girls, a little bit younger than you, it would probably be at the very front of this wave. Getting their drivers license later, moving out of home later, getting a job later, not partying as much, not drinking as much, not taking drugs. So they've got generalized risk aversion. They're not doing the risky things that previous generations over that age would,

but they're also not even really doing the adult things. The number of 16 to 20 year olds who don't have a driver's license is the highest ever. Really? You think COVID had a push back in that? Maybe. Maybe it could be that people just... It became more isolated, stopped. If that's your formative years, if you're 15 and COVID hits and you're 18 and COVID finishes, you've just grown up, all you can remember, basically being the person that you are is this hermit at home playing Fortnite or whatever.

Yeah. But what it makes me think about is, when these people do need to grow up, you mentioned young guys could do with maybe growing up a little bit more quickly, if they want a chance. And it makes me wonder whether that's going to keep getting pushed further and further and further and further. Hopefully not. But I don't know.

It's a... I think for me, one of the biggest turn-ons or pluses a guy can have is being motivated or dedicated to something, even if that's plumbing. Just something that every day you want to do and work towards to being better at, whether that's the gym or a job, plumbing or being a dentist or being an astronaut, like whatever, you know, just something to work towards rather than just kind of laying back and like kicking your feet up and just enjoying day by day. I think it's, like that's great and everything,

but I think you have to have something that every day you're trying to improve. Drive and motivation and ambition, I think, are very sexy and competence as well. Yeah. If you can manage to hit the sweet spot with a partner of someone who you are attracted to, but you admire as well, holy fuck, like you've got a partner that's your role model.

That's an unbelievably potent cocktail, I think, for attraction. I didn't, it's so strange to think about what that is for girls, because you know, guys can just go out and get their drive and do the things that typically are sort of masculine traits. Be very interested in what the equivalent is for a girl. You know, like, what is it that a guy would find in feminine traits that they want to absorb into themselves? Do you know what I mean? I don't know, one time I was on Brad's part and I was like, oh, I don't cook or clean. And then everyone was like, I still don't live those comments down.

I'm like, okay, I've been practicing now, but I will never live those comments down like, oh, like, why would you ever want her? She can't cook or clean. She's Christ, we're just getting made. If you don't need a wife, you need a maid. Yeah, I was like, bro, I'm not gonna, I mean, I don't think I could ever see myself doing

someone else's laundry. Maybe my mother's, but my partner's never. Well, you just need to earn a bit more money and then you can pay the maid to do it. Yeah, I'm like, bro, I'll pay someone to do it. I wasn't opposed to a house chef. So I think I think I think part of that is is that they associate lack of willingness to do traditional household things with to do traditional household things with a non-traditional relationship that is just not going to be as enjoyable, it's a less feminine sort of woman. And the polarity between masculinity and femininity, what the subtext is, I'm not doing the

washing you are. Right? Which is guys are like, oh, you're not doing it. I'm definitely not doing it. Yeah, right? Which is guys are like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you're not doing it. I'm definitely not doing it. Yeah, right. So I do understand, and I do think, you know, there's lots of talk about masculinity

and stuff like that. What about the other side of the fence? Are you seeing challenges that young girls have with femininity at the moment of like finding their role within the world, whether they should be a tried wife or like a sex positive sleep around girl, party girl, whether it should be a hermit. I don't know.

I think it's hard, especially with social media. And like most of the girls you see on social media are like, you know, there's two sides of it, of course, but there's a lot of like, like sex symbols you see on social media or even if it's not like sex symbols, you see on social media, or even if it's not like sex symbols, you see like these hot, beautiful girls that may or may not have had work done, but in swimsuits or whatever, and for a lot of people,

it's hard to, like you would never get there, but like that's who you see on a daily basis on your phone, so that's what you want, or that's what you want to strive towards, but yeah, so I think it's hard to say what kind of, what extent to femininity girls look for, but I think it, social media hasn't made it easier. It's confusing.

It's confusing for sure. And look at some of the role models that were held up as, okay, so this is really, really where, you know, this is someone that's charging forward and really getting it right. Lizzo, fighting for girls all over the place. And then the bottom falls out and it turns out that she's making her dancers

eat bananas out of strippers vaginas, weight-shaming all of the people as this champion for body positivity and Ellen DeGeneres as well turns out that she's a total precter work with. Yeah. And it's the people that you would think that were like the most understanding

that turned out to not be. I don't know whether it's people that you would think. I think it's people that portrayed themselves. Yeah, that's the right. Yeah, people that portrayed themselves to be like the most understanding or accepting of everyone. That turned out to be the city.

It's like the senator that's pushing the hardcore anti-gay legislation that goes home and secretly watches gay porn on the VPN. Right. Yeah. Um, it's, I think it's fascinating. In it, there's a part of that, you know, the, because people's actions are way less visible than their words online. Yeah. Like the thing that you tweet is way more important than the thing that you did, because no one sees the thing that you did,

but they see the thing that you tweeted. You tweeted it, yep. So when you look at the more important than the thing that you did, because no one sees the thing that you did, but they see the thing that you tweeted. You tweeted it, yep. So when you look at the people that are the most forthcoming about being virtuous or morally grandstanding or, I'm holier than now, when you see that, that to me a lot of the time signals, there's probably something going on there, unless I can really, really prove it.

And I didn't see it with Lizzo, not that I, like a Lizzo scholar. But Lizzo fan. Yeah, I didn't look at her and see, yeah, this is someone who's really working hard to try and find the next, like, frontier for a female body empowerment or something like that.

It seemed like someone doing a grift. It seemed like someone that had managed to capture. But it was just a stunt, or. That managed to capture a particular narrative and was just leaning into it. Yeah. Brad versus Logan, who wins? Yo, Brad's gonna flame me if I don't say Brad's gonna win.

Or in a street fight? No, in the ring. In the boxing. In the boxing. Okay, see you made it harder. That's the fight that they're talking about, no? No, Brad was talking about street fight. Like, yo I'm 260 pull up outside the gym, I'll rock your shit.

Okay, who wins in the street fight? Brad, in the ring, Logan. I managed to pull that fence out of your ass somehow. Thank you. Don't kick me off wrong here Brad. I'm kidding. But Brad is like, I'm seemingly strong too. He's quick.

He's stronger than Chris Bumstead, right? They've had seabull on the podcast and Brad was like, you know, don't compare our numbers because it's not fair. I was like, we're talking about a world champion. I trained with Chris. Chris is a, and he's one of those guys that's got big hands. Like dude, you've even, your hands are even muslim.

Yeah. So yeah, he is strong, but I don't know. I mean Brad better get on that cardio game if he wants to try and do five or eight rounds. He's strong and he's also like a weirdly athletic like he can do like weirdly high box drama sir like like I don't know I just

Do you think you do it? Do you think he would actually go for a boxing fight? Yeah with Logan? With Logan Probably because now Logan has called him out Brad would look like, Brad would look like a Wimp if he didn't. But Logan hasn't said that he'll do it personally. He said he had found someone for Brad to fight, right? I don't know. I didn't dig into the specifics of it, but I know that they'd had beef.

Yeah. And they had like Twitter beef, which feels old school for people that are kind of Instagram and YouTube stars. I seem so high school. A little bit, but I'd love to see that. Yeah, I think it would be an insanely like good PR for both of them. They both bring clout to the table like Yeah, everybody loves them equally like different camps love them equally as well, which is interesting

What's your what do you you went to the jackpot fight?, the week. What do you make of this world of with Bryce? Just one a bad knuckle fight. That was crazy. The first thing that I've ever, the first situation I've ever seen Bryce get into. I didn't even know he's doing bad knuckle and then he goes up against a guy who's been doing a good, a good bet and wins. Yeah, I think he technically wants you to an injury, but he wins. Yeah, he won.

But he called it too, Bryce was like, I'm gonna win in round two and he won in round two. I play. Would you do it? You wanna step in the ring? Bare knuckles. No, I'll just boxing. I would do boxing.

I'd fight someone. Who'd you wanna fight? Who'd you hate? Do you have any enemies? There's no one that I hate per se. There's been people I think that have hated me. Who's your biggest beef been with? I haven't personally had beef.

Who's beefed with you the most? Who's beefed with me? Yeah. I don't know if I can, I don't know, I don't want to bring attention to her. She doesn't deserve it. But she can just punch her in the face. Bro, I'm telling you right now, I would cut down to her weight and I'd beat the shit out of her.

No, I'm kidding. But I think that I would definitely, I think it'd be dope to do like an influencer boxing type thing. Like, people who haven't fought before getting in the ring, same weight class, you know, both had three months, six months training, leading up to the fight and then fighting each other. That we don't.

Doesn't have to be a marionac old cycle boxing. And it's so funny how the world of combat sports now has really been reshaped by it. Right. I know you've got Francis and Garnu and Tyson fury fighting each other, you know, UFC legend up against the greatest living heavyweight fighter, potentially the greatest ever. And I don't think that that would have happened had a KSI logon pole not happened. Mayweather McGregor not happened. And if you track it all the way back, it's two British guys,

forever, ever, ever ago, like seven or eight years ago or something that kicked it all off. And now you've got, who's Logan's next fight? Dylan Danis. Yeah. And then KSI's fighting some guy I don't know. He's like big, big time, but I don't know. Okay. Point being, before it was, we can't believe that these influencers are coming in and ruining the sweet signs of boxing Yeah, and now downstream the purest boxing people are following the model fighting the influencers Yeah, right so funny because I think that at the end it's a win-win for everyone Because more you know the influencers bring a little bit a different crowd the younger crowd

They bring a little bit more PR to it whatever it might be I think they bring a different audience to it that, you know, helps them both sales tickets, gets pay-per-view watches. It's entertainment as well. Yeah, entertainment. And, you know, when people say, this is getting like WWE and they're talking about baseball or they're talking about NFL or whatever, NBA? I realize this the other week. What they mean is, what happened was WWE essentially took the sport element out of sport,

and all that you had to do was reverse engineer the best way to create the rivalry, and then you don't need to worry about the outcome of the contest because we already know what's going to happen because we can write that. So when people say this is becoming like WWE, what they mean is they found the model of how to create a rivalry and this rivalry is starting to look like that.

So really all it is is these people in NBA or whatever zeroing in on a really, really heated rivalry that compels people. I don't think it's fair necessarily to say this is becoming like WWE. They split tested for decades and decades, the best, oh, we're gonna have the heel. We're gonna have the redneck guy.

We're gonna have the clean cut heartthrob. We're gonna have the renegade artist. We're gonna have the Mexican dude that's got the face mask on. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, so you just have this very effective way at garnering attention in a sport.

And you don't need to worry about the sport. And now we're seeing it get across, and you've seen Drive to Survive, which is the Formula One thing, Full Swing, which was for golf, Breakpoint, that was for Tennis, Quarterback. Now that's all about NFL. And people are interested in what's going on behind the scenes, which is exactly why you have to post 140

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for the rest of your life, to hold on to as much muscle, I'll build as much muscle as you could. Which ones would you choose? And why? 10 exercises. 10 exercises. Can be anything you want, but you've only got 10. Okay, let's start off. Leg press. Okay. For, you know, you can do different variations in it. You can hit like different parts, depending on how you put your legs. Ardios. Bobbell dumbbells, single leg. Barbell, Ardios. Bobbell Ardios is hardcore.

Okay, cool, yeah. Okay. Military press. With the barbell, military press. Hold the press. no, standing. So you can brace your core. I mean, you only get 10 exercises here. Okay, right.

Yeah, so you've made an ab exercise out of a shoulder exercise. Right. Good. Inclined dumbbells. Every single person has said inclined dumbbell press. Chest press. Yeah. Yeah, phenomenal.

Yeah, can't go wrong. Yep, that's press. Yeah. Phenomenal, yeah. Yeah, I can't go wrong. Yep, that's full. Right. Gosh. Okay, what is it? Decliner incline, I always confuse myself. When you lean back a little bit and you do the curls. I think that's technically incline,

but I know exactly what you mean. Yes, because I always mess it. I know what you mean. Those curls with dumbbells. Supernated. So like from neutral to supernated, or do you keep it, because some people keep it locked out like that.

I keep it locked out like that. Yeah, so it's almost like a, I think it's called like a Y-Cole. Yeah. Or you're here. It does suck so hard. And you're still weak on those. You know at the bottom of the movement,

and it's, You flex your tricep at the bottom. Five kilos, you go, and then it's not moving. Okay, that's five. So we've got like press, RDLs with a barbell, military press, standing incline chest press

with dumbbells. That last one you just want to buy. That last the Y-coil. Whatever that is. Okay, so halfway through. Halfway through. It legs are okay, chest's okay, shoulders are okay, biceps, right.

A weighted pull-ups for back. I think maybe one of the only back exercises I need. Overhand, underhand, neutral. I'm not a pussy. Come on, overhand. Okay, Chris Bumstead said neutral. Oh, fuck, I mean neutral. Oh.

Right, let's fix it. Okay. Gosh, this is hard. Hammer curls to hit the other head of the vice up. Right. Okay. Yeah, standing hammer curls. Uh-huh. It's a lot of biceps now with the pull ups with the two sets of curls. yeah. Standing, hammer curls. Uh-huh. It's a lot of biceps now with the pullups, with the two sets of curls, okay. Yeah, we're good with biceps now. Yeah, no more biceps. I think I'm gonna have to do lateral raises for shoulders.

Yep. Oh my God, I didn't have any triceps. Do I have one more exercise? You've got two left, I think. Two left, yeah. School crushers. Yeah, tell you what, I forgot that I did five years ago and then rediscovered it the other day.

Lying skull crushes. So going to the floor and taking it from the floor is opposed to going from a bench. Because you can go from a dead stop and it means that if you need to fail, you can always, you're never scared of literally smashing yourself in the face or falling off the back of the bench. Yeah. And it feels really comfy. You know, sometimes if you bring your feet up on a bench and you feel like, I'm going to fall out. I'm going to fall out.

Yeah. Okay. Skullcrushes. So you've got one left from all of that. And then I think I'm going to have to do hanging leg raises. Perhaps. Yeah. That's the most popular abs exercise as well.

Yeah. Ryan Terry, Chris Bumstead, both of them. So one of those weird things, everyone trains, everyone's kind of got a confusion around training apps, and all the people that have got good mid sections. Yeah, everyone always asks me, what's your like app workout? And I'm like, maybe once a week,

I'll either hit declines sit ups, with like a weight with 10 pounds, or I'll do hanging leg raises, but most of it is just like even bracing my core and any other workout. I do vacuums or just what you eat. Well you, I think you came into training pretty under fed, right? Yes, for sure.

You were crazy, crazy. Talk through that, like, way you were at body wise and then sort of your progression of training in the gym. Yeah, so I was going through a hard time. I was like the lowest I'd ever weighed. I was a hundred pounds. And I was very insecure with myself. I would always wear baggy clothes because I hated how like, I felt like I just looked sick.

Like that's how skinny I was. I remember my meals would, like a McDonald's little burger, like off the dollar menu and a large coke would be my meal for the day. That's all you need. That's all I would eat. I remember at seven p.m. usually I'd get up and go get that and then drive around the town for an hour and go back home. Like my mental health just was so poop. It was crappy. And I think that went on for about six months and then I was... It was just like a switch. I was tired of spending literally every hour and bed and like just moping around, low energy, low confidence. And then I was like, you know what? Like, I have nothing better to do. Might as well hit the gym. Was there a moment?

Was it, oh, is it just a progression of a time of becoming increasingly fed up with that? I don't think there was a moment per se, but I think I just got tired of feeling so shitty. Like I was tired of feeling tired and like, I was just so unhappy with myself. How old were you? I was 20. Yeah, were you? I was 20.

Yeah, about two years ago, 20. And then I remember, I literally remember like what I was wearing that day. And I remember the drive to the gym to sign up for the gym membership. I remember I wore glasses. I didn't think like I was like, I'll get the membership today and I'll start tomorrow or whatever. I went in, I didn't think like, I'll get the membership today and I'll start tomorrow, or whatever.

I went in, I got the membership, and then I started that same day I wore my glasses to work out, whatever. I just, it was weird, but I remember it. And then I worked out and then I went home and I was like, well, I had a scene tick talk like right after you work out, you have to eat something like high protein.

Like I'm gonna eat like half a piece of salmon. And I was like, anything is better than like a McDonald's burger at this point. So I remember I was just like, I would learn a little bit on TikTok. I'd learn a little bit from my brother. I'd learn like people that just work out. I would talk to them, try to pick their brain about like,

how I can improve like everything all at once. Like my nutrition, my workouts, everything. So it was just like a mix of TikTok, talking to people that helped me kind of get to where I am. And within like maybe six, seven weeks of working out, I think I really had it dialed. So I picked it up very fast, relatively, you know, trained with intensity from the beginning, would push myself. I remember it was when I started like you just off to our face masks at the myself. I remember it was when I started like you just off to wear face masks at the gym. I remember I'd like sometimes I would have like...

Oh shit, yes, so this was during COVID. Yeah, it was 2020. When I started it was May of 2020. And the midst of it? Yeah. Wait, May of 2020 or 2021? Might be 2021. I think it was 2021. You're still in the midst of it. Yeah. It was 2021, yes. Yeah. What was most difficult?

What advice would you give to girls that are unhappy with their body? Or guys that are unhappy with their bodies? Like, you know, there's a lot of challenges in overcoming. There's a lot of, even if you did get some advice from TikTok, most of it is horse shit. Regardless of who you are, I think you need to implement some type of physical activity for an hour and a half a day.

You know, 45 minutes to an hour and a half, depending on the level of intensity, but whoever you are, however old you are, even if that means going outside and walking, you know. For me, it's like the gym is something that it's not a chore. It's gotten to the point that it's the two hours of the day that I enjoy. I was telling you earlier, I look forward to going to the gym. Regardless of your age, you need to work out, do some kind of physical activity, train

with intensity. What are you doing on your own? Yeah. Because obviously in a lot of the content that you put online, it'll be around, or there's a videographer, right? Yes, right. I prefer training on my own. There was a point when I first started, I'd be like, there's no way in how I'm going

to the gym by myself. Like this is peak embarrassment. I need someone there, which is totally fine. Like do that. Go with a friend or go with a brother, sister, parent, or whoever. But I'm at the point now where I like training alone. It's like my alone time.

I don't know. I enjoy on my own. But when I do film or whatever, it's like usually my rest day. And I'll go and I'll film at Zoo YouTube video. Okay, because if you've filmed on a training day, you'd have to sacrifice training to get the content. Right, yeah. So I just go on. You're not training, there's no pressure.

Exactly. Right. What do you do outside of that? Outside of working out? I sleep about 10 hours a night. Is that strategic or do you just... Strategic, that's strategic. Muscle grows in your sleep. Okay, yeah, but 10 hours a night. Is that strategic or do you just? That's strategic. Muscle grows in your sleep.

Okay, yeah, but 10 hours is like, it's pretty intense. Yeah, but. I don't know how many 22 year old million plus influences are saying, and I sleep 10 hours a night, and then train for two hours a day. Sleep matters, guys. Sleep matters. Okay. Sleep matters.

Okay. Okay, eight to 10. It's not always 10, but it's usually, it's never. We'll see, when you join the Wuk team, I'll know. And you can't lie to me anymore. Okay, perfect. No, it's always, always at least eight. Never, never lost.

Okay. I do still go to school. I only have eight weeks left. So I do that in my free time. I'm not going to lie to you, I'm on my phone probably eight to ten hours a day. What are you doing? I'm mindlessly scrolling and I try to trick myself thinking like, I respond to emails, I respond to emails like, use it for work too.

Yeah, it's work too, but I also convince myself that if I keep scrolling something will inspire me if you get your screen time let me see do you track screen time on that you know in the settings yeah I want to see God I'm this is going to be embarrassing I want to see the app breakdown of what's happening here it's actually down from last week so let's not be too judgmental. Daily average is seven hours and six minutes. He peaked with, oh, Sundays a big day. Sundays, Sunday's nearly 12 hours. See all activity.

Okay, so messages, 13 hours, Instagram, 10 hours, Snapchat, eight hours, TikTok, four hours, Safari, Mail, YouTube. Messages. What you do in a messages? Oh, no, I'm doing a messages. Group chats? No, I mean, maybe talking the fucking shitty business people, not all shitty, but some shitty.

Yes, many shitty business. Many shitty business people. I think- That's what I was so dumb to, like, when I first started thinking like anyone had my best interest at heart, or like just wanted to genuinely help. Why?

I don't know, I feel like a lot of people try to scan, not scan, but finesse, finesse. Yeah, such a good word. I wonder how much of it is the way that you present as well, is like a relatively friendly girly girl, and someone sees this opportunity to try and outwit 21, 22 year olds, who probably doesn't have really any idea

what's going on, and I wonder whether the equivalent thing would happen with the dude. It doesn't, I feel like in social media fitness space, I feel like from what I've heard and everything, maybe men get respected a little bit more. I think they probably get, it's harder to break through and get paid because the way that you can monetize, good looking girls, especially in the fitness space, can monetize guys and girls. Good looking guys, really only monetize guys. Yes, but then I feel like you're right in the monetization aspect, but also in the fitness space, can monetize guys and girls. Good looking guys, really only monetize guys.

Yes, but then I feel like you're right in the monetization aspect, but also in the brand partnership aspect, I think guys are treated a little bit better. In terms of packages? In terms of money, yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I think just more respected, even personally, I haven't had an experience

with the brands I work with, but I'm saying I've heard my friends, like, you know, due to their engagement or whatever, she, like, she should be getting paid more. And then I know a guy is below her on engagement, following everything. And he's getting paid more, all more than she is. And I'm like, well, this is just, she's getting finesse. Yeah, it's an interesting one. I mean, I read this stat the other day that said,

by 2030, women are going to control 50% of global capital. So women are already 80% of consumer purchases. Yeah. I think that's skewed a lot because if mothers are having to do the shop, yeah, of course, yeah, that's skewed. Every mother is gonna be the one in charge of shopping for baby stuff. And then

plus they're going to get the groceries inside. It does kind of skew that number. But increasingly, I think women are going to have the spending power, which means that the way that marketing stuns going to have to, it's going to have to be adapted. It's definitely going to have to be adapted. And I think we're already seeing it. I think, you know, brands like Bud Light, Miller Light, you know, if tried to do something that seems more pro female, but remember what we was saying before, like, we can call it the Lizzo effect of doing something that looks that ostensibly the window shopping is,

yeah, we care behind the scenes. I don't think anybody really thought that Bud Light cared about Dylan Mulvaney or that Miller Light cared about the fact that they used to do a mud-restling ad. I think they saw it as, I mean, the Dylan Mulvaney thing. Oh, fuck it, I'll say it. A lot of people had a problem with the deal mill of anything because it was Bud Light finally showing the like woke, cooked, blue pill bonafides that they'd been hiding from everybody all along. But the group of people who largely were saying that are also a group of people that will say

things like, don't cancel Jordan Peterson because of one bad thing that he said. Yeah. So don't judge some of my favorite content creators based on one out of context, small sample. But then they're flipping it and judging a brand. Just brands that's been around for decades. And does this one thing?

And maybe they're right. And I'm open to them being right. Yeah. That Bud Light secretly did hate all, every straight person on the planet, they hated them for decades and they were just waiting for the opportunity, or a small gifting to a poorly chosen influencer

who's not super popular amongst a very, very large cohort of the country, was given some hands with their face on them. And I think that like the much less conspiratorial version of that seems to be the one that to me is most likely. And if you want to have the grace of, you know, don't cancel people for just one thing that they said, I do think that you should consider extending that to. And now it's easy to dunk on it, right?

And this is an unpopular thing to say, because it's way easy to say, but like, went woke, and now they're going to go broke. And now they're doing, um, it's like almost trendier to like hop on and hate rather than be like, wait, maybe, maybe, maybe like it was a one time thing. Let's not cancel a whole brand, even though we've been drinking the product for decades, you know, because kid rock shot them with an AR 15, like we don't need to, and don't get me wrong. Like I think it was a shitty move.

I'm not a fan of Dylan Mulvaney. I don't think that that person is a good actor. But I also think if you want people to extend like a cancellation refund request to some of your favorite influences and some of the cultural commentators online that you should probably consider doing it for brands as well. Yeah, for sure. And it's like a reasonable position to be in. Have you been near any cancellation stuff?

You can't get count. You just lift things. I don't think I think the closest maybe was the whole like, oh, I'm not going to learn how to cook or clean. Oh, cancelled because she can't make a spaghetti meatball. Well, I can cook. I'm just saying I can't like cook anything crazy. I can make spaghetti and meatballs, you know. I can't cook as good as my mom. You're selling yourself selling yourself as a wifey now. Yeah, I'm learning. I'm trying to, Brad told me I need to hire my equity or like my stock, hire my stock. I'll learn how to cook and clean.

So then, right, Brad's coaching you on how to become a high value woman. Right. Good spaghetti meatballs, great at laundry. Yeah, can sweep the floor. Blah blah blah. I'm learning. Yeah, that's pretty high value.

My issue isn't that I can't do it. That like right now I don't necessarily always have the drive to do it. To sweep the floor and do the laundry and cook. But I'm open. I've been learning to cook. And I can clean. Look at you trying to salvage your eligibility to the entire internet. I'm like, please. Come and take me. We'll get back to talking to Sarah in one minute,

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It seems to me like you're not, you don't want to just start an only fans or start taking like booty pictures and go down that line. No, I'd rather just be canceled before I did any of that or like, you know, delete it off everything. Yeah. I wouldn't do that. Is there ever a temptation to overly sexualize yourself? No, but I can totally, for me there's not, genuinely there's not, but I can see the appeal of why there is for women. Your likes have gone to like,

your likes have plummeted, whatever, shadow band, whatever you wanna call it. So you're like, okay, whatever, I'll put on a swimsuit, turn around and take a picture by the pool. You know, I could see the appeal. Bang, with algorithms back up bro, like we have, the likes are back to normal.

But like I genuinely think for women, the second you start posting pictures of, you know, your ass, mostly, you know, or like a huge cleavage picks, whatever it is on Instagram, pictures of you and a, you know, nice covering dress will never perform as well as they did when you're posting your ass or tits. I did a podcast, probably about three, probably about three years ago with a female adult actress in the UK. And I was asking her about the typical career progression of girls that go into this industry. And she'd been in it for like a decade.

She's like a, she won awards. Does it award for that? Apparently. I don't know what for. I don't know what for. I don't know what for. I didn't see, I didn't watch either of the awards or the content that was submitted. I think it was like a Sundance film festival,

it must have been. Anyway, so I was asking her and she basically said that there's a hierarchy of intensity to different kinds of porn scenes. So I think it was like solo, girl on girl, guy on girl. Like all the way down to like anal DP, like it descends deep. I'm not intended. And I kind of feel like there's an equivalent

stack intensity thing to the kind of content. And I don't think that guys can do the same thing. It's like it's a topless photo for a guy. Sometimes you look better, you like actually look better with a shirt on. And you can be in good condition, but you could look cooler with a shirt on. It does feel to me a little bit like, you know, as much as we've got this, women are at 35% of CEOs, new CEOs in companies January of 2023 were women, so the highest percentage ever. Women are out earning men between the ages of 21 and 29. Women are out educating men to women for every one man completing a fully yours college degree by 2030. Even though we have all of that, there's still a big undercurrent of sexualization for women. And this

isn't, I'm not saying like this is the patriarchy fucking plowing it on them. Very often women choose to sexualize themselves or each other. Yes. Yeah. Because it's them largely competing with other women. Now it may be for the eyes of men, but if you are hoping for men to not click on a photo that's got boobs or a bum in it, I think you're fighting against the thermodynamics of sexes.

No, 100%. And a thousand times, I've heard girls that, and I have no hate on girls that want to do an only fans or have an only fans. It's not like, oh, you have an only fans, I'm not your friend. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's not for me. And there's ways I feel about it, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna dislike you. I'm gonna hate you or judge you for having one. Women say that having an OF or whatever is empowering. And I think for me, it's just hard to grasp how that can be empowering

when you're chatting with Menol Day or having your management chat with Menol Day. Yeah. Vienta means Votula City's a challenge. Yeah, surprise guys. If you're, if you're subscribed with men all day or having your management chat with men all day. Vietnamese virtual assistant. Yeah, surprise guys. If you're if you're subscribed to an OF and you think it's her texting you. It's her fat manager. Yeah, it's not her. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I really think it'll be interesting to reflect on this period of monetization for especially women in 10 years 20 years time and realized that it was either a brief flash in the pan or the beginning of a tsunami of people sexualizing themselves for the price of a cheeseburger per month.

I hope it's not anything that has longevity to it, but I could understand how it's appealing for a girl that just has just turned 18, okay? Fully not developed in her brain. Thanks, oh my God, I can make five figures a month. You know, I have, you know, I have 20, 30K on Instagram, I can make five figures a month, I don't have to go to college, I don't have to be in loan for years, I don't have to go find an actual job, I can post bikini pics pics and make equivalent to a teacher or a doctor. I could understand how that's appealing.

You know what's interesting as well. I think I've heard you talk about this before that it kind of doesn't really matter what you post on only fans either because they've tried to do like comedy on there. I think what in the coming did a roast, but Christ has done some only fans' exclusive content. There's a number of girls that I know who justify, the MO is, I post this stuff for free on Instagram anyway. Therefore, if I just post a higher frequency of the same level of nudity on only fans, that's basically my morals from Instagram, it's already been there, there is nothing different,

but it's a branding problem. I think they say that to help themselves feel like better about it, maybe, because it's the, for me, I can only speak from Mayan, but it's the idea of a paywall platform, getting people's money to show whatever it is that for me just wouldn't click. But even if I was posting only gym content

and lugging's in a t-shirt, just the idea of... It's an interesting one. We're chatting with someone. There's been other things. The intimacy as well, I think, that's a part of it. Yeah. But so, you know how vaping is like every person is taking nectarine in some form or another.

I was having a conversation the other day about how vaping has probably, or the retreat of cigarettes and the ascendancy of vaping has probably been a net negative for health, because vaping is way more enjoyable than smoking ever was. It tastes better, it's cooler. There's no smell, no one could know. Exactly, all of this. And it doesn't, smoking, that wasn't so good. I think if you go into

the, if you start to educate yourself about health and fitness, lots of people are pushing back against vaping too, but I don't think that's really broken into the mainstream just yet. So a lot of people do it. I wonder whether kind of like how vaping is, but I don't think that's really broken into the mainstream just yet. So a lot of people do it. I wonder whether kind of like how vaping is the thin end of the wedge for nicotine, only fans has become a thin end of the wedge for porn and for self-objectification. Yeah. I don't know. I agree with you that I struggle to see how I don't know, I agree with you that I struggle to see how... I don't know, it's a tight line about the...

I'm liberating myself and this is empowering because you are taking men's money. But is the price of your nudity like a double-wopper from McDonald's? And then if it's Black Friday, it's like six chicken nuggets. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's something that I have like,

I have concerns about and I haven't really worked out my opinion on yet about like what this means longterm. Yeah. I think that's really gonna be. I think longterm, I just think if you start, again, I'm not, it sounds like I'm just shitting on any woman with an only fans, which I'm not. I'm just saying it from the perspective of a girl

who's out there thinking about it, I would recommend to not start one. That's the only thing, that's the only way I'm coming at this. I'm not shitting on anyone that has one. But, so what another thing I wonder what it does is, I'd seen throughout my 20s girls that were strippers. They really struggled to see their relationship with men as anything other than transactional

because 150 times a night, they needed to extract resources from this guy who was down from Edinburgh or had flown in from Dublin or something for a stag weekend with the boys. Maybe he was married, maybe he was in a relationship, maybe he was whatever. And they saw this relationship with men as adversarial, as transactional, as short lived. And I saw a struggle in their personal lives to rip themselves out of that. And then if you think, okay,

and that's not even protracted, or that intimate, if you don't have the Vietnamese manager that's messaging all of the people that you're with, and it's actually you that's doing the Simp admin. Probably fucks with you mentally. So much. How are you able to determine the line between genuine emotional connection and like performative emotional connection? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think not just your relationship with men, but like longevity, you know, especially because it's something like, you know, it's not the same as like maybe a dancer or whatever. This is all online.

Like I feel like it's something you can never live down. And if you're already an influencer, what people are gonna address you as like, oh, the only fans girl, you know, it's stigma that comes with it. A title. What's happening with fansley? Is fansley just only fans? Fansley.

I haven't. Okay, so this is like the Twitch streamer equivalent, I think. I wonder if it, it can't, there's no way that Twitch would give it partner access or integration or whatever, but fanszly is something else, and I'm seeing a different cohort of people. It's mostly Twitch streamers doing that, and I feel like it's the same. It's like private messages and blah, blah, blah.

But yeah, I don't know. Have you seen the new thing like AI, the AI bots? You pay per minute to talk to someone, and they use your voice from your videos or your online personality to chat with someone. they use your voice from your videos or your online personality to chat with someone. Yes. So that's the same thing.

Yeah. I wonder whether if I was the guy that made only fans is British, right? He's from Essex. If I was him when chat GPT came out and the AI image creator thing, I would have spent as much money as I could, I would have dumped a shit ton of cash into no longer being an agency and instead becoming a tech product. Because if you could vertically integrate yourself back up and not only be the service that people go through, but be the creators themselves by making the girls and by creating the chat bots and by owning the algorithms and by owning the servers,

you cut out, I don't know what the percentage is, it take 10% or 5% whatever, would they take? They only fans? Yeah. They take a lot more than that, I think. What do they take? Is that 15 or 20? Yeah, Joe, come on.

How do you, Joe, you're always on only fans. That's all that you spend your time, you're always talking about. Don't take your money out of only fans and put it into like one of the S&P. You wanna put it in the S&P? I don't know.

I'm not very educated with stocks. I wish I was more educated, but whatever. Tesla. Right. Put in Tesla. Cool. Elon Musk, you get my money. What's next for you?

What you do next? After uni. Like what are you thinking? What's in the next six months to a year? What can people expect? Six months to a year. People can expect that maybe I'll post to you two videos a week instead of one.

No, I'm just going to consistently keep doing the routine and posting schedule that I have been. And then I've kind of always been the type that I go with the flow in that aspect and kind of hope that luck plays out. And I maybe meet someone that we can be mutually beneficial with. That's no so the reason I even decided to go MBA route was that maybe one of the companies that I'm working with now or that I encounter in the future, you know, down the line, they'll want me on the back end rather than.

And influencer and board member. Yes, maybe. And I could do the back end and the forefront, you know. That's cool. No plans to release a training plan, a diet plan, an ebook, a portal, a platform. Cause I think, like, whatever works for me isn't going to work for someone else.

I think I am blessed with really good genetics cause I don't track macros. I don't, you know't count calories or whatever. I just, you know, it took me a while, but I intuitively eat. I don't drink alcohol. I don't drink any of my calories. But.

It seems like you do pretty well without that in the moment. Yeah, I don't think, I don't wanna, right now it's something that's fun for me. I think the second I start counting and tracking, it'll become toxic and I'll... You've got to be careful. We had this conversation a lot over the last week. If you really, really enjoy doing something, you have to protect your passion.

And if you don't, doing the work at the rate that you're doing at the moment is just going to get progressively harder over time. And it's... that's fine, but it will change the pursuit from being something that's fuck like, yeah, today's a rest day and filming day, and I'm fired up to do some skits to, oh my God, today's rest day and I still have to work. And that framing is an awful lot.

And it's like, okay, do you wanna turn this into a labor or do want to keep loving it? And it's not that you can't do both, but the more that you work and the more that you monetize them are hard, it's going to become, I think. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Fuck yeah. Sarah Safari. Wait, what's next for you? So I've done. Who are you trying to have on this podcast? A few that you have your eye on. A few that I've got my eye on. So have you seen the School of Life YouTube channel? So it's a big YouTube channel that did psychology

and philosophy. It's got about five, six mil subs. It's really big. It's great. And it's run by this dude called Alander Boton. Oh, it's not run by him. He's like the creator of it. Now he's got this huge, huge, huge team.

And he was real formative for me. So if I had a Mount Rushmore of podcast influences on my awakening, yeah, Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, and Aland, Jordan has been on twice and is coming back on. Sam has been on a couple of weeks ago. I've been on Rogans, but I've got this elusive fourth guy down here. And I really, really want to bring him on and he's got a new book coming out. So I'm working super, super hard to try and get him. He's in the UK, but that's fine. So I can fly back to the UK. So I got that.

We've got a week in the UK with some massive, massive UK guests that I can't wait to film with. And I'm coming back. I've already said to people that Jordan Peterson will be coming back on at some point this year. So that's going to be very interesting. Got lots to talk about. Couple of returning guests, a couple of new ones. But this weekend's been great. You know, I did this Alex Homozy yesterday, Phil Heath, and Rich Roll this morning, Stan Effeding, you today,

tomorrow, Eric Weinstein, who is like this super genius, MD at Teal Capital, very interesting dude. So it's good, like things are happening and it really does feel like we've got the world at our feet at the moment and kind of holding on for dear life a little bit. No, that's amazing, you're gonna kill it. Thank you for having me on.

I'm honored. After all those people you named, I'm honored that you had, Sarah's Farry. No, I'm honored that you had me on. So thank you. I appreciate it. Where should people go?

They wanna follow you, check out your stuff. Instagram, Sarah's Farry. What do you want Snapchat, Sam? Sarah's Farry. Yeah, Sarah's Farry on anything. Hell yeah. Sarah, I appreciate you. Thank you.

I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.