Modern Wisdom - Mostly Wise: Matt McCusker, Andrew Huberman & Tom Segura - #1102

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

I spent a really long time putting this together, I really hope you enjoy it! In this inaugural episode of Mostly Wise, we explore: The non-sexual benefits of tadalafil (Cialis). Why Retardmaxxing might be the most underrated life hack. The strange reasons why people are making AI clones of their exes. Why America is addicted to lawsuits. If Love Island is harder than Navy SEAL selection training. and much more Guests Matt McCusker is a comedian, writer, author, and podcaster Dr Andrew Huberman is a neuroscientist, Associate Professor at the Stanford University School of Medicine and a podcaster. Tom Segura is a comedian, podcaster, and actor. Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠⁠ Get up to $350 off the Eight Sleep Pod 5 at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get 160+ lab tests for just $365 and save an extra $25 at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get 15% off your first order of my favourite Non-Alcoholic Brew at https://athleticbrewing.com/modernwisdom Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at ⁠https://chatgpt.com Timestamps: (0:00) Should All Men Be Taking Erectile Dysfunction Medication? (5:24) The GLP-1-Free Way to Get Lean (8:28) Why Comedians Make Great Actors (14:02) What Science Reveals About Comedians (25:33) How Love Island Manipulates Sleep (30:39) Is Retardmaxxing the New Way of Living? (46:28) The Risk of Recreating Your Ex With AI (49:32) Has Surveillance Killed Serial Killers? (52:53) Falling is a Billion-Dollar Industry (57:57) Are NASA Conspiracies Going Too Far? (01:01:05) Are These the Craziest Conspiracy Theories? (01:12:00) The Origins of the Secret Service (01:17:08) Can Cannabis Trigger Psychosis? (01:24:01) Is Nostalgia Ruining the Present? (01:31:10) The Unexpected Benefits of Fap Naps (01:38:38) The Best Method to Optimise Your Sleep (01:45:32) Are Kids Becoming Smarter? (01:57:12) Is Hollywood Exploiting OnlyFans Creators? (01:59:58) Has Chris’ Voice Been Stolen? (02:06:18) Are Clang Associations a Sign of Psychosis? (02:09:57) The Crazy Spending Habits of Johnny Depp (02:15:56) What Happens When You Don’t Sleep? (02:19:19) Are Backyard Ultra Runners the Toughest Athletes? (02:23:04) Can You Get Shredded Sugarmaxxing? (02:25:47) Does the Marshmallow Test Hold Up? (02:31:38) Is Sunscreen Actually Bad For You? (02:40:20) Where to Find the Guys Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠⁠ Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman⁠⁠ - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ Twitter: ⁠⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠⁠ Email: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I keep seeing tweets about how everyone should be taking erectile dysfunction medication. Is that true? Low grade, whatever. Yeah, like the low grade, bonner. So, tadalphil, which is the generic name for Cialis, was developed first as a prostate health drug. And then people took more of it and realized that at higher dosages, it can be effective for erectile dysfunction. But low dose is good for prostate health. Low dose, like 2.5 to 5 milligrams per day, is very helpful for perfusion of the prostate.

and also it causes vasodilation in the brain. So things like strokes, I mean, you want blood flow, right? You don't want excessive blood flow, but you've got a headache from it. But our chair of male sexual health and urology at Stanford, Mike Eisenberg, he came on the podcast and he said pretty much every male over 40 or so

should be taking about 2.5 to 5 milligrams per day. Does it still get you pretty hard to? It definitely will improve... Just curious. It will definitely notch up like erectile. strength, but unlike, you know, some health people out there, I'm not like using the calipers to measure the strength. You know, I'd put, you know, I asked someone else to measure. And, and, and, and, and she tells me that, like,

you know, not, you know, it's all good. I don't know. Yeah. Just tell her, close her hand, close her hand if you can. Well, no, I've never actually, I've never actually subjected to the grip test. Um, you know, I don't want to tempt anybody. Um, but in all seriousness, you know, the drug, you know, the drug, this drug that was developed for vasodilation, which is now used for erectile dysfunction, it really was developed first as a prostate health drug. And a lot of sitting, the prostate's weird, too, because it doesn't get a lot of blood flow compared to other tissues, doesn't have as speak for yourself. Same immune system. Yeah, well, you know, what if you sit with the plug-in?

You're kegling all day. So, you know, we realized, you know, Chris said to pull up to this little piece of tape so we didn't catch him kegling over the desk, you know, kegling, kegling, kegling. I kind of feel like it could just be a sigh-up to normalize erectile dysfunction, medication by dudes that have got erectile dysfunction. By doing that, every man should be taking it that nobody is then on the outside. It's fair. I take the six, it's like five to six milligrams in the morning. You do in the morning.

Yeah, every morning. There you go. What's a, what's a little troc, what's a little mint? Is that half? What's like a, I don't know. I mean, you can get one. Is that full one or a half one? Of what?

The, the, to dalafil. Well, I'm saying it, they, it depends on the prescription that you're given, right? So like the six milligram thing is supposed to, to be for prostate health. But if you were like to get 25, 50, obviously that's like massive blood flow. And you're going to take note. And it can draw blood. Strong gust of wind.

And it can disrupt, you know, lower blood pressure slightly and things like that. Because you gain vasodilation. So, you know, all the pipes are getting a little bigger. Yeah. So, but let's not take one right now and see like how the podcast. Do you ever get the erection last wins? Yeah. I have a strong mind.

The, this is not the podcast I signed up for. But to your point, it probably does feel safer for guys to call up their doctor and go, hey, I heard this podcast. I heard some, you know, MD PhD from Stanford, not me, but Mike Eisenberg said that I should be getting better profusion in my prostate and I should take 2.5 to 5 milligrams of the Dallphil, you know, and there they just avoided all the statements about Cialis, ED, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. And then, you know, they call another doctor and get a duplicate prescription and now they're taking double. You can assume that some of that happens. But it's also cost like pennies. It's generic now the patent is out. Do you know the story about how Viagra was found?

I only know that it was very quick to market. It's one of these like remarkable discovery to suddenly like it was on the market. And that just tells you how badly certain people wanted on the on market and to use it. The story was that they were trying to do something. I think it was for angina. It was more heart stuff. And they found typically when medical trials finished and they asked people to give the medication back, people don't have any issue in doing it. And no one wanted to give the medication back.

Like, no. And then they also noticed when the nurses were going in to do the checkups on the people during the trial that the guys were sitting weird. They were all like sitting like cross-legged to cover themselves up. And from that they said, yeah, there's been this sort of weird side effect to this angina medication that you've been giving me. and I feel like I'm 14 again. Well, the younger guys are probably going to want to get on the, to Dallifil too, but maybe not for the same reasons. It does upregulate either sensitivity or number of androgen receptors,

so your body can respond more and better to whatever circulating testosterone you have. So there are a bunch of things that make it like a useful tool, but at this very low, low dose, it will make you a little ruddy, like a little, you know, like it makes you a little bit red. The Cialis? Well, just because blood flow, it's, everywhere. I'm sure that... I'm British. I'm sure somebody's going to develop... You know what I mean?

Like a pink people. You know, a lot of pro athletes take the low dose before games, too. Is that for anxiety? I think just they just, the increased blood flow is something that they want. How does it impact anxiety? It lowers me, you know, you take it later in the day. It can assist, kind of like, feels like, you know, like a half, like a half a cocktail. You careful using half a...

No pun intended. I thought you meant like you got half a car. You know, comedians and shit. Like, you know, I'm, yeah. You know. I want to know your morning routine. Mine? Yeah, Matt, Andrews spent, for a long time, like, optimizing people's mornings.

I wouldn't know what your morning routine. Well, I heard, you were talking about cortisol for a while. So I was waking up and just chugging coffee being like, I'm up in my cortisol. And I was have, like, a panic attack in my office and be like, I don't know, man. I don't know if I'm cut out for this. But I wake up, I wake up early, man, like 6.30. Every other day I'll take my kids to school. And then I just go to the gym for like an hour.

Are they off on the other day? No, my wife doesn't. Oh, okay. I thought you're like, they don't go to school every day. I was like, are you adopting? Because that sounds like a good ride. No, man, we, uh, but yeah, I'm pretty, honestly,

I'm more locked in than I've ever been. I'm up every day, 6.30 and, you know, I just, I work out almost every day. Nice. I got fat. I got, like, fatter than I ever was. So I'm trying to, like, pay for two years, two and a half years of bad eating. So I'm losing. You look good, Ben.

Yeah, good. You guys all look great. You do the, no shame. If anyone does it, anyone on the, a GLP. I'm not, I haven't tried them yet. Is that the, that's, you're real quiet. I try, no, I tried, I tried it. I tried it in, uh, in 22. Yeah. But I tried it after I had lost the majority of my weight. Okay. And I got down. So I was like, I hit a wall at like, 212, 213. And I was like, oh, I want to get to like 200. And I took it for like a month, but I didn't eat. Oh,

yeah. And so I lost the 12 pounds. And then I was like, yeah, but I'm like, I'm not eating at all. So I got off of it and then gained the 10, 12 pounds back. And then I kind of just floated there for a while. And the thing that actually jump started getting down again was doing a fast. I did a five-day fast. No water? No, I had water. Okay.

But a five days of no food. Okay. And I anticipated that I would, like, I knew that once I resumed eating that I would gain some of the weight back, but I gained none of it back. and then I went into a production. And on the production, the thing is, if you're in, like, every scene, you don't want to eat a lot, like, if you're in every scene, right?

So, like, I would get on set at, like, I don't know, like the makeup trailer, like, 5.36 in the morning. Like, what do you want to eat? I'd be, like, just a little bit of fruit, a little bit of egg whites. Then you shoot for, like, six hours, and you break for lunch. So you pick a little bit at lunch,

and then you have to shoot the rest of the day. So that only, like, real meal I was, like that was full I was having was at the end of the day I was having dinner. And in the production, just by working, I lost 25 pounds. And then I gained like 10 of that back. So I'm still, I'm like 190 right now. But it's from just like basically manipulating how I was eating and working out. Overworking yourself. Was that from your show? That was from, that was from the movie I did last year. Okay. And so, and then I, I, when I came back, I was like, shit, I'm going to gain all the weight back again.

But I just started working out more, like four days a week I work out in the mornings and just dial in food more, like pay attention more. Yeah, yeah. I have a question about the whole thing with comedians and acting. Yeah. How come they're so good at it? Like it seems like Theo's got a, I haven't seen busboys.

Yeah. But I saw the trailer, I'm like, Theo can act, you know? And then I obviously like Jim Carrey is a comedian, like all these people, like all these comedian actors, comedian, actress, comedian, actress, Whitney will show up and things. So is it an easy jump?

And if so, why? I think it's actually like, it's really dependent. Some can really do it. Some can't. And the ones that can really do it have the dramatic capacity to do it, right? Like, when you think of, like,

Jim Carrey, Robin Williams, those guys were, like, incredible comedians, but they have this darkness and sadness within them, which I think lends itself to dramatic acting. But I don't think that that's across the board because you've seen a lot of comedians that are shit actors and then some that some that really impress you but it's kind of like you just never know you just never know it's

hard too so you don't get feedback when you just stand up people laugh when you when you act people go all right that's fine keep going yeah is that all is that the best or like what are we doing here and then you start of being like well they don't like you don't like you don't even get feedback and you hear someone will do a scene and the whole like staff will clap and you're just like fuck you there was feedback i'm not getting it right yeah well the thing is about You could tell about, like, comedians who act, especially at first versus, like, experienced actors. Experience actors, when they yell cut, the experienced actor doesn't turn to the director and go, what do you think?

They know what they're just like, you fucking come over me if you want to. Like, I'm not asking you for approval. They know how they do. They know what they're doing. Comedians, they'll go cut and they'll be like, what do you think? Yeah. Like, because they're waiting, because we're used to the media. That feedback.

Yeah. Well, it would be the same as being on stage and going to the audience and go, did you like it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you notice it, right? And then, but like, some blow you away with how talented they are as actors. But I think it's like, you never know who has it. It's a specific skill set, I think. Is it true that some actors just never leave character?

I was listening to something about the filming of the outsiders, the original movie, right? And someone was saying that, like, Tom Cruise, like, literally just stayed in character, like, the entire filming. All these stories about who does that. Yeah. And, like, you know, famously, like, Daniel Day Lewis. Carrie did it when he was doing the Kaufman move me. Like, there's various stories about who does it. I talked to somebody who said they were on a set, and one of the other actors came up in character

and was like, you know, like doing his voice. And the director was like, we're not doing this. And he was like, oh, okay, my bad. Like, he was just like, I'm not playing with this shit. 2017, I think it was. I met Pee Wee Herman in an art show. Uh-huh. And he was in the full ghetto.

Yeah. And Paul, what's his name? But anyway, real life. I don't even know his real name. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And Paul Herman? Herb. Something like that. And Laird Hamilton was there. And Laird's like only Laird, right? He's on after he. He was like, and I don't think he knew who Peewee was. And Peeley Herman, like, worked his way through this enormous wall of mostly women who wanted to get near Laird. And I was like, hi, that's so nice to meet you. And he was like talking to, there's this moment where it was like, Laird. Hamilton and Pee Weirman. He was just fully in-cared the lipstick to everything. Yeah, I mean, look, I get how- This was out in the world. It was like a West Hollywood art show.

I get how if you're really in the character and kind of stay that way between, you know, setups and shots, like it can help, especially if it's like a really involved thing. But, I mean, I think there's probably, there's limits to where you want to take that. I've heard that, like, the most extensive was, like, Jim doing.

Andy Kaufman. Like, there's a lot of stories about how he was just never breaking from that. But I don't think that that's mostly what people do when you talk about, like, method acting. Yeah. My method is I drink a ton of Dunkin' Donuts coffee and I think about my face the entire time. I just feel like, what is my face doing right now? For a guy, it gets anxiety from caffeine. You drink a lot of it. You've mentioned three times. You're like, if I drink a cup of coffee at noon, I'm effed. And then you're like, I wake up in the morning, a slam of coffee. I do. I do. And you're like, I drink before. You know who's actually a good actor?

It's a problem. No shit. You know who's a really good actor? This guy. They do these ads for New Toning and these other things. I'll see it on Instagram. I'm like, this is,

it actually passes for acting. I can't stop thinking about the fact that you're obsessing over your face. The whole time. What does my face look like right now? Do you mean like what am I emoting? Yeah, like it just look like I'm thinking about my face or does it look like I'm sad?

Like I don't even have a broad range of emotions. We've only met in person for a little bit. I'll tell you right now you're pretty deadpan. I'm my deadpan? Pre-de-Depan, yeah. Behind this face, it's just a swirl of this emotion and chaos. Am I deadpan for real? You're pretty deadpan, yeah.

That's funny. Yeah, yeah. I don't feel deadpan. All right. That's crazy. I appreciate that. You've got poker face, too. I mean, you know.

But I don't act. I mean, this guy was on reality TV, so. You were on last season of Ties as well? Are you doing the next one? Do you know if you were in that? Yeah, same thing. But I, again, I get done and I'm like, that had to have been terrible. Yeah.

Had to have been terrible. And then I see it. I'd be like, I didn't even realize that was you. dissolved into the role yeah because he won't his deadpan I'm completely confused I'm waiting for someone to be like

you get the fuck out of here now what are you doing here? What are you doing get away from here? I think that's a very comedian's perspective I really do like imposter syndrome yeah for sure and he's good and that's why he thinks that way you know if he was like

I'm the shit he probably wouldn't be any good at it yeah has there been any research done on comedians like if if we put Tom and Matt in a lab do you think there's some scans or tests are biomarkers that you could do on them that would identify what they've done as a career. Cool. That's a tough one.

The only science that pops to mind is, and Tom and I have talked about this before, but is like there are studies, there's some interesting studies, like the classic studies of memory. We're all done on this guy, HM, this patient who had damage to the hippocampus, like a critical region of the brain for encoding memories. And you could walk in and introduce yourself, walk out, and then five minutes later walk in, he would not remember your name. And they tested, you know, he wasn't faking it.

They kept at this for decades. And if you told him a joke, he'd laugh. And if you came back and told him the joke again, he would laugh a little less each time, even though he was completely unaware that he'd heard the joke before. So that's kind of interesting, right? There's something kind of unconscious.

And then I think it was you, Tom, that said this, that there's also something weird about comedy, which is for many other things like visual art or music, like if you don't like opera, and then you listen to a lot of it, you start looking for certain things and you kind of develop a sense of the nuance, you can start to really like it. But with comedy, it either lands with you or doesn't.

And if you hear something you don't more than once, it just sounds worse. I think that it's the most, like, art is subjective, obviously, and, you know, you have involuntary reactions to, like, I like this painting, I like this song, right? But, like, what I was saying is, like, you could see a painting and not care for it, but maybe somebody comes to you and, like, explains the history or the technique that was used, and then all of a sudden you start to appreciate it more. But I think if you go, like, that's not funny, it doesn't matter who tells you what. You're just like, it's not funny to me, you know?

So in that sense, I think you have, like, the most people have a completely involuntary reaction to what they find funny or not funny. But it's pretty hard to deny good music. I think music and beauty are two things. to penetrate in that way. Kanye, dude. Kanye, like, just not had a great run over the last five years, like brand-wise.

He's got such bangers that he can sell out Selfie Stadium two nights in a row, like fucking 30,000 people and stand on top of the world and everyone be like, yeah, he's still unbelievable what he does. Like music's undeniable in a way Is he touring again? It's like the Swat Sticature or something.

He was on top of a globe. He already did that one. I heard this list where he published the people I hate list. These lists are amazing. You haven't seen these? I don't have my phone with me, but occasionally he'll just tweet, like, people I hate. It's like a revenge list. But what's wild, someone should find this.

He's on, he's on one or two of them. But then some people show up on multiple lists. These lists are insane. They're pretty bad. Everyone's a while. But for different reasons. It's kind of nice to be that free, though, too. Don't you, like, he says shit and you're like, bro, come on, man.

But then you're also like, this guy's so free that he doesn't care what he's like, yeah. You just can't deny music in that way. Like if you've got bangers, people are just going to let... But to extend that to comedy and art, people always say, you know, it's all subjective. But I do think that greatness is objective. Do you know what I mean? Like, you can say, like, this guy's not funny, that guy's not funny. But if you're trying to say that, like, I don't know, Richard Pryor, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy,

if you're like, they're not funny, I think you're... objectively wrong. Or deaf. Yeah. Like you're just, you, you can say, I guess you don't find it. But you are actually, I think, wrong. Like, greatness is greatness, right? Like, you can't argue with a certain level of great art.

I suppose you might not like the genre of someone's music, but you would have to go, well, look, like, they're a fucking savant, whatever they've done. Yeah. You don't need to, like, hip-hop to say Kanye makes back. You don't have to like classic music. You're not going to say, like, Beethoven's trash, right? It'll be hot take. There's a hard take.

Yeah. It's trash. Oh, yeah, no one says not for me. It's just like, it's just not for me. Yeah, yeah. It's like, that sucks. People are more personal when it comes to, especially YouTubers, podcasters, right?

Because the distance between whatever the art form is and the person is basically zero. It's like, well, you're just you. Yeah. Right? You're just being you, which means that it's not just not for me. It's that person's a bad person. And then it gets wrapped up in like morality and the sense of who they are. The same thing's not true in any way for like,

a musician. That's someone who doesn't even perform with their real sage name, maybe they wear a mask on state, they get dressed up, and then comedians are sort of somewhere in between, right? Because it's like,

it's partly you, but partly not. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I'm fascinated by the, the comedy thing because of the different cues, like I said,

unless they're deaf, like if they can't actually hear the jokes, I was, you know, being kind of tongue-in-cheek there. But in reality, like, some comedians, I notice, they'll, like, how they use the whites of their eyes. Like, you know,

they're, like, this kind of thing, like they can, they can punctuate. Oh, yeah. With, with, with, with eye contact and their, the physical piece is huge. Yeah, that's a huge part of it. And, and I just, I don't really understand physical comedy. I don't really get it. I have to say, I wasn't really into the, the Jim Carrey movies, you know, like that.

It's just like, crazy, like that, you know, all the craziness. But I love the stuff he acted in. Yeah, I get it. You know, and, um, I just saw somebody, like, at the festival and, like, as soon as it got like real wacky i'm like what the fuck is going on yeah it throws me off too yeah i mean they eventually started animating them and it was like it became its own character right you know or uh cartoon um it's wild so yeah there's a lot there and i think people are so i think some people are just tuned to pick up on certain things and they there's an excitement that puts them at this edge is how i always feel

as a spectator yeah so i don't play music i know nothing about music except that what i enjoy yeah it's one of these areas i just i'm purely a consumer same thing with comedy yeah and i feel like comedians do something or a combination of things that bring certain people to like this edge where they're like ready to laugh. They're like, you know, it's like the guns cocked and loaded, you know, and so they're just like ready and then you just have to let them go. And so some people, they're hard to bring out a bit more and they probably respond to a different kind of humor. Some people love that physical. I've also been, I'm sure, like, you're in the room sometimes in a club and someone's on stage and they are just murdering. And you're like, what's going

on. Like, I, like, you're just like, I don't even know what is happening right now. You're watching it and you're just like, you feel like you're dissociating or something because you're like, even as someone who's supposed to understand what's going to? Yeah, you're like, I don't get it. Yeah, you're on next. You're like, this guy sucks. Yeah. Well, there's also this interesting memory. Like, Tim Dillon made me laugh so hard one time at the comedy store with the I am your mother like before I saw it on online. I saw him do that whole bit. Is that we go on? And now when I see Tim Dillon, I start laughing. Like, I'm kind of at the edge of laughter.

And I'm not expecting him to make a joke. It's just somewhere in my unconscious mind. Like, that's cute up. Just associated him with fun. That's cute up. And I'm just like, this is going to be so good. He taps into something. Yeah.

So it's just. He's really fucking good. Fuck, man. Especially when he's rant. When he's rants on a show, it's like, it's impossible. I've never seen anyone better actually, as Ed, then Tim. He's alone. It's one of the hardest things.

Because when podcasting started big in comedy, it was probably like, oh, 2010 was when people started to like really and when I would see the guys who could sit alone and do the hour alone and make it interesting and funny I had tried it one time and I'd fucking die. You feel crazy. I feel, I felt crazy. Talking to myself. Yeah.

Just having a conversation with myself. Because like, where'd you go? Bill did it really well. But notes help. Yeah. If you at least type out some thoughts, it can help, but this is going to. To pretend conversation with yourself. Yeah.

I do talk to myself a lot. But if you're trying to like sell it, that's tough because it usually doesn't make sense. Yeah. You're just talking about what your face is doing the whole time? I've done it. I've done it a couple times. It feels good.

When you do it, it goes well, you feel really good. But when you lose a thread, you're like, you've got to have like some place to go to start. It helps. Alex Jones. Yeah. Alex Jones, the best, the OG legend. For doing what?

Just being able to solo fucking, like, he was the original Yapper. Yeah. Right. He could just. Three hours a day. Dude, that's wild. Isn't that like the Rush Limbaugh kind of built off that. That's true.

Yeah, yeah. I feel like Alex Jones got built off Rush Limbaugh. But with Rush limbaugh. Yeah. Like, like, coached up. Yeah. Yeah. And then a bunch of very costly to him false statements about school.

A couple. About school. One. One significant. He was fed misinformation. He wasn't. He fed himself misinformation. Nah, that was, fuck.

I was not. I don't want to get involved in the lawsuit. I don't know what happened. No. To him, it did he. But, you know. And then I'm going with the original news story on that. They got him.

The fucking, the onion now own InfoW. Yeah, they own InfoW. Yeah, they own InfoWords. That's so insane. Yeah. They bought, I don't know whether. And is there a more onion thing to do? Like, it's.

And the first video they did was an impression of Alex Jones drinking the blood of Christ and it was red wine. And he's like, it's available at the Info Wars store. Oh my God. Like if they'd release their own red wine under that brand. Yeah. Info Wars red wine, blood of Christ wine. Doesn't he owe like a billion dollar?

It's like a hundred. It's like a hundred. It's like a hundred, hundreds of millions of dollars. At least a billion. But everything around him, even though he's apparently a comedian and a bunch of other things woven in there too, gets real, real, real fucking quick. Because someone got shot and killed on his team here in Austin. Yeah, yeah.

He's talking about, you know, school shooting murders, this kind of thing. Like there's something he likes to, I don't think he wanted that thing to happen to a staffer, obviously. But stuff just runs really into reality very fast. with him. He goes there and it comes back to him. Yeah. Like, not good boundaries. Yeah, it'll happen. No, no, no. What's the, what is

Alex Jones is? You're the fine. What's he being sued for? Yeah. What's his fine? He, I mean, he got absolutely buried. That's for the Newton thing. The Sandy Hook. Yeah. What's the settlement? The settlement. $1.5 billion. Holy shit.

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I'm still wondering if Chris's experience on reality TV made him a better actor or better at reality. Oh, dude. I mean, I was, oh my God, that was 11 years ago. What show is it? Love Island, Season 1st. Oh, you're like, The First Person Through the Doors of Love Island.

What? Britt Hotties all together on a island. Me, I was the hearty. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, dude. That was a... That's awesome.

It was kind of like Navy Seal Hell Week, but for reality TV, because you don't get to leave. Like, locked in this villa. No phone, no internet. But to his point... With a bunch of hot women. Yeah, sounds a lot like Hellwood. Let me call up to my friends or team guys. How is how many hot women were known?

Similar to your situation, right? Right. Just warning you get on TV. You're not getting a lot of sympathy. Yeah. Do you find yourself in those situations in a reality show? There is, like, a bit of posturing and, like, there's cameras. So you have awareness.

Literally everywhere. So do you find yourself kind of like putting on, you know what I mean? To a degree. It's really weird because they work super hard to try and hide the cameras. So let's say that we were talking here. There'd be like a plant in the middle. And the plant would have one of those little CCTV things that they could just spin around. So you're not like aware.

You're never really thinking about it. And there's the huge big, almost like sports TV bazooka things. And they're over the far side, right? So this would be a bigger room. Whoa. And they'd be shit over the far side and they'd be zoomed in. And then the villa producer would come over because they want to poke the storyline. They can't take three weeks for you to ask this girl if you can kiss her.

It's like it needs to happen fucking today. So I'll come over and they go, Matt, how do you feel about Chris asking Andrew out? And I said, well, you know, I thought we were friends and it really turns like we're not. And you felt a bit betrayed by him. You go, what I think you should do? Why do you ask him to go and have a chat over by the fire pit? And you go over to the fire pit and there's a fucking army of different photographer, videographer, people all around there.

But they're all outside the bounds and you're not allowed to talk to them. You can't talk to them. And this is a fucking. matters thing. You never knew what time it was. And they feed you booze too, right? Isn't there booze? They put a limit on after my season. Stratistically. Right. But even the camera guys and the drivers, if you ever needed to go off site to go and do a date or something, they all changed the time on the car radio. They changed the time on their watches or took their watches off. It was insane. You never knew what time you went to bed or what time you woke up. I think it's so

they could control our sleep and wake pattern. Whoa. It was really kind of weird. It's very cultish. Yeah. I think it was just so that they could lock you into whatever you need. The first night we were there, everyone was super excited. We stayed up until what must have been two in the morning, three in the morning. And then someone got up. And there's half as many beds as there are people.

So you're always sleeping with a girl each night. Oh, boo-hoo. And then, I know. Hell week. Hell week. Yeah, it's fucking butt school. Thank you for sure, man. Do you say butt school or butt school?

And then we woke up the next morning and they came over the Tanoi. And they were like, hello Islanders, you've been asleep for three and a half hours. Can everyone please get back to bed? Because no one knew that we'd only been asleep for a little bit of time, one person's up. And we're like, well, I guess we must have been awake for a while, whatever the fuck. So, yeah, it was. Not to inject some science, but because you said they're telling you how long you were asleep and you don't know how long you were actually asleep, there's some really cool data that show within limits, if you see a great sleep score, cognitively and physically, you perform better the next day.

if your sleep wasn't that great. Really? And the reverse is also true. If you see a lousy sleep score and you actually slept great, your cognitive and physical performance takes a dive. Are you saying that the best wearable, like the best thing that Woop could do would just be to always lie to you and tell you that you're feeling great? Technically, yes, within limits.

So if you sleep three hours, right? And it says, oh, you had a spectacular night's sleep. You're not going to compensate for that lack of sleep, right? So it's when you're down or up about an hour or two of sleep. So the real solution to this, sorry to make it so serious. go back to Love Island and no, no, no, no. Buts or buds or whichever one it happens to be. Booty school.

The best thing to do would be to check your sleep score against your subjective, like you write down, you wake up in the morning like, feel like I slept great. And then at the end of the week, you compare your score to what you, how you actually felt. So maybe check in like every four or five days, as opposed to, who got a 90, I'm good. Ruined today. Yeah. Or more importantly, if you get a lousy sleep score, you don't necessarily want to let that, you know, bring you down, worm in your brain.

It brings me down. But this is like a real effect on real cognitive and real physical performance. It wasn't some like corny in-lap test. I mean, this stuff can make a big difference, especially if you're operating at the level that you guys are and you're getting out there and like, you know, I need to get this just right. So anyway, sorry to inject that,

but since they did it to you, you know, so did you fall in love on Love Island? I was only that for 20 days. I don't think that's long. Dude, I've fallen in love many times in 20 days. I think I read about that. I think I read about that. I think I read about that.

That was something entirely different. That wasn't love. That happens. Now I fall in love 20 times a day with one person. There you go. She's so rad. That's cute. That's sweet.

Are you threatened by the retard maxing movement? Have you heard about this? That's a great question. That's a great question. It looks right at me. Yeah. Yes. Let me answer that the way I think you intended it.

Yes, I am personally offended. Wait, do you wake up and are you like, I'm retard maxing today? Is that what you think? All right. What is retard maxing? All right, all right. It's awesome. No, I actually.

What is this? I heard of look maxing. There's looks maxing. Then there's a guy who does what's called retard maxing, which is, was popularized by of all people, Mark Andresen, who's easily one of the smartest people I've ever, ever met. No Mark real well. He's a big fan of retard maxing. Retard maxing is this guy on the internet who, what, you want to explain?

Oh, I'm loving that guy. So, you know, with all the stuff about get up in the morning and, you know, do this and do that and, you know, when you have a problem or all the kind of stuff that, you know, Chris covers, you know, like about emerging dynamics of male-female relationships and self-perception and philosophy and he interviews like, you know, real thinkers and they have British accents and that kind of thing. This guy sits in his backyard, is basically a farm, and he has this. thing he calls retard maxing, which is where you basically just don't think about shit at all.

You just do what needs to be done. If something bothers you, you just ignore it. Wait, is this the CEO that is like, I don't sell for flight? So Mark Andreessen came on the David Senra. Yeah, so Mark Andreessen started Netscape. Right. And now he has A16Z, which is one of the, you know, biggest investment firms in the Bay Area and all over the world, frankly. And he came on the David Senra podcast, which used, which is the guy who also does the Founders podcast, David's Senator, Senator Podcast, incidentally, put out by Scicom. We loved the founders. Shout out, Senator. So we brought Senra over, and he brought Mark Andreessen on. And Mark Andreessen said, he used the words. These are not my words. He said,

great men of history did not sit around thinking about their thoughts and introspecting, you know, like introspection is not what we need to be doing. We need more action, less introspection. Actually, Dana White kind of doubled down on this recently, saying that he's not, he, he, um, is not a fan of people, men talking about their emotional challenges publicly. You know, that it's like get up, go to war, make money for your family, you know, sort of the old school kind of stoicism thing. So the Mark Andreessen thing mobilized a big discussion online on X in particular. One sort of angle of attack that he opened was, oh, right, here's a billionaire who doesn't like

introspection and, you know, and I know Mark very well. He's not a sociopath. He's not, he's a very, very kind person. I know his family. He's an incredible human being at many levels. I'm going to catch a lot of shit for saying that, but that's the truth. If you actually know him, all right.

And now he's retarded. Now, no, no. He then made a plug for retard maxing. He was like, hey, there's this guy on the internet who basically doesn't say shit at all. He just says, just handle your business, do what you need to do and stop thinking about things so much. Don't ruminate so much. And he said he was a big fan of this retard max. So building off looks maxing.

And then that caught some momentum. And so now the big thing is introspection. Like, should we introspect? Should we think about and reflect on who we are and what's challenging us? I mean, and Dana was basically saying, hey, listen, a lot. I think the point Dana was trying to make was that men's mental health, while critical, right? Suicide rights are way up. We all acknowledge that.

He made a very good point, which is oftentimes getting into action and doing things, as opposed to being online and thinking about your problems. And rumination is a very dangerous place to be. Yeah. So he said, get up and work and provide. for your family. But when he and Mark said these things, it came across as a little bit dismissive of the idea that emotions are relevant. And I do think, you know, they have a point in the sense that I think we need to balance out some of what we've been hearing a lot of over the last few years,

which is that we need to think about every aspect of self, every aspect, you know, like, too much therapy is not good. Yeah, if you spend your time just like thinking and not doing. Right. Because it feels like that's kind of the note behind the note, right? is like if you just sit and introspect and think and you just sit in like, I feel this way and you never actually take action, then you're just literally not doing anything. But I think there's kind of levels to like, I think it's good to to be introspective to a degree, check in with yourself. Yeah. You know, express how you feel. But don't just sit there and say, this is how I feel and don't do anything.

Yeah. I mean, there's a kind of a larger, perhaps deeper discussion around like to what it. And Mark, and Drie said this as well, like people who've tended to accomplish a lot of great things oftentimes have some pretty rough edges. Yeah, I grew up in the town where Steve Jobs is around. He used to come in and get rollerblade wheels

at the skateboard shop where I worked. And like, he was kind of a rough edge guy. And he didn't wear shoes. And, you know, and he wanted what he wanted. Then he was known for yelling at people. He would drive 95 miles like you. This guy. Yeah, likes to drive fast, you know.

He got, you know, and so there was this time up until phones with cameras. Thank you, Steve Jobs. there was this time up until phones with cameras where people were kind of celebrated for being big personalities with some rough edges but for the great things that they did now it's there's a movement largely from the left of like hey you know everything needs to be rather tempered right you can't be a big personality unless you're perfect in every dimension and if you look i mean historically you look at any public figure now like you're going to find as you said there's that dark and light

And Mark's whole thing is those things go hand in hand. Like great CEOs oftentimes have some strong disagreeableness. They rate highly on disagreeableness. They're conscientious, right? But they also are kind of high friction people. But some of the, like, you know Mark and you're like, this is good, but some really high achievers, historically even now, men, let's say, that are really high achievers that get a lot of things done and have accomplished a lot are also like from

many people's accounts, like terrible people, you know? I guess the question is how close are those people to the actual person, you know? That are saying that? Yeah, I mean, I think right now there's a lot of hatred of billionaires. Sure. And look, I was born and raised in Silicon Valley. So going big is like a thing. Like you, my friends have gotten to skateboarding in the Bay Area.

Like, they weren't thinking about becoming billionaires, but like the Embarcador in the early 90s. Those guys, like, started big companies. Yeah. Went big. Rob Dyrdick. He's from, you know, Midwest, but then came out. He shows.

And then he's like ridiculousness. I mean, I have no beef with it whatsoever. Going big is a theme in tech, right? Yeah. And everyone uses these platforms and everyone hates these people. But I don't know. I know some of these people. I'm not like super close with them.

Yeah. I like Mark. I trust Mark. I like the other Mark. I trust that Mark too. I know, you know, various folks who run these big companies. And do I think they're perfect? No.

No, of course. But I could, listen, if I were talking about Nobel Prize winners, past and present, man, the men and the women, very complicated people. Sure. Like you want to do a deep dive on the complications of science funding? Like, look up Jonas Salk and who he married and getting money and then the work that he was able to do by virtue of his marital relations and things. I'm not saying he used his wife to make money. Married for funding? Many, there's many examples of this in science. You know, money fuel science.

You can do more science with it. So there's a lot of interesting and, it's not sorted. It's just sort of it's, they're still humans. Yeah. You know, so anyway. But if you've got constant CCTV, because there's a phone camera within two yards of you everywhere on the planet, those rough edges look a bit more harsh when they're scrutinized. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, I have this whole opinion, there's purely opinion now about what cameras have done to sort of what we need in order to really make a strong assumption about somebody. So in the, like, Like in the past, you could just say, hey, this person, like, I don't like them based on one thing they said. And you're entitled to do that.

But I think two things have happened in the last couple of years that have completely transformed, like what our expectation is about how rumor matches up with reality, at least for me. One would be, this is an unfortunate, it's a bad incident, right? It would be the, you know, there was all this speculation about diddy and these diddy parties, right? And everyone expected, like, at some point, there's going to be a video. Guess what? There was never actually a video aired, right? But there was a video of him beating up this woman. That sort of raised the threshold for what people need to see in order to be like,

okay, that actually happened. Okay? The other one was this Coldplay concert thing. Like that Coldplay concert where the couple got caught cheating or whatever, like whatever the context of their backdrop or the relationship was totally uninteresting to me. But you could not have created. This was like opera, right? They're at a concert.

They're cheating. The guy goes, oh, look at these two lovers, right? The guy is not just any guy. It's like a sketch from one of you. Right? Yeah, yeah. It's literally like a sketch from one of your shows. There's this moment where they're in the like, oh, that's us. Then there's this moment where they're like, oh, shit.

Yeah. Yeah. So it went from kind of like delight to shock in an instant. To shame. And then so we got to witness the whole arc. Now, I wasn't interested in that, but the whole world jumped on that because it's like the human drama playing out in real time. So now when somebody goes, oh, I heard that this woman had a kid with this guy. I don't even know their names.

so you guys probably do. You know, and she named her kid after this guy. And like, oh, it has this kind of low level, like, whatever, what happened between Justin Baldoni and Blake Living and this and that? And it's sort of like, yeah, where's the video? Show me the video. People don't, people, and so the press can go back and forth and back and forth. And people kind of pick their camps.

But I think real things being captured on real video has set the standard, like, not standard, low standard, high threshold. Yeah, yeah. And so I think that's changed. So now somebody goes, oh, yeah, these guys, are sociopaths. You go, show me the data for sociopathic. People actually now need to see data.

It's not sufficient that somebody write some little thing about one little thing. They need to see the video. The video is what actually shifts people's mind. So if people are saying, hey, this billionaire founder, this billionaire founder, this billionaire, these guys are terrible people. Right, right, right.

How are they terrible people? Yeah. Show me them being terrible people. I don't want to see it, but I just don't see evidence of it. So I think it's just turning to chatter. And I think it's just going to turn to fog. And then I think it's going to just go away. Well, yeah, I think a lot of it differs, though.

It depends who it is. There's different billionaires doing different stuff. But I agree. If someone just has a billion bucks, I wouldn't hate them just because it's like, you shouldn't have that much. Because you're busy and you're doing well. I think it's very easy to get upset with other people because it's a lot easier than, like, getting up and doing something. Like, retard maxing is hard. It is hard.

That's 100% true. Also, good news. I think the couple, the guy who did squeeze boobs at the Coldplay concert, I think he's back with his wife now. Wait, squeeze poops? I thought that was Al Frank. No, he did it. Over the short second base on the jumbo cross. That's what he was caught, do.

He was hugging from behind. He was honking. But he was a boss. He was, yeah. And she was HR, which nobody touches. That's wild. That's crazy. And she was married.

Behind honk on H. She was the HR lady. He was the boss. It's like the most forbidden thing possible. She did this whole thing, like New York Times ran this thing about how hard it was for her afterwards. They tried to do this kind of rest. She's a promotion. Yeah, she's a promotional speaker about getting, you know.

squeeze. Yeah. It's like that doesn't define me basically. Yeah. Yeah. So I have more than the question is what were the rules for HR at that company? She's so high she can never get hired. You can never be HR again. You get harmed once you're done. Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Only fans. That's true. I do think like email yourself. I do think that I might be taking the stream of this, but you know, we're just thinking like if you got any evidence. But let me put in your arena for with comedy or if I watch comedy like in the The Tonight Show in the 1950s, it's very ho-hum, right? For now.

Yeah. But, you know, some of the stuff that was on game shows in the 70s was kind of edgy, right? You know, you'd like kiss the guy's wife. Oh, you know. And then now we've, there's just so much that's been out there. Yes. That your threshold, just like eating very, very flavorful food with a bunch of crap thrown in it, like it raises your threshold for what you consider sweet or salty.

Yeah. So there's just sort of like emotional recalibration that needs to happen. but we're still on this, I don't like that word ascension because it comes from that like, looks back, same thing. Shit, they're getting, all the words are taken, right? That's true. That is true. Yeah, all the fun ones.

But in any case, sorry, you were going to make a point. I was just saying that, like, I also just think it's super lame to, like, that everybody just goes, I hate so-and-so because they're basically successful, you know, like, that's a big thing in society now is that, you know, the eat the rich, hate the, like, punish, them. It's like, sure, I understand sometimes when they go, this is like a legacy thing or like this person just inherited. But like when people start a company and do well and then you just hate them because they did well, it's really. It's interesting that taglines eat the rich or tax the rich, not help the poor. Right. Yeah, punish them, not encourage the people. It's supposed to be. It's the first step, right, which is we don't like those people. So we do like these people and we think that they should be helped. Also, everyone uses these products. I mean, I mean, like, you know, If you really truly hate somebody so much, yet you're willing to, you know, defect from their product line.

But everyone uses them. So obviously they don't hate them that much. Have you seen... What if you put a bumper sticker on your Tesla? It says anti-Elon. I bought this before. I don't know. I drive a four runner,

but I've heard these new Teslas that drives themselves are awesome. They're everyone. Those robo taxis. It's just so funny to buy a car and be like, by the way, I don't like the car. I don't like to drive the car. Or just sell it.

Sell it. Sell it, fuckface. Like, you hate it so much. Just sell it. What do you drive them? This guy's like, are you a car fanatic? No, I have a hobbyist you. Uh, no, really.

What's your, what's your, what's your, it's all Porsche's for you, huh? I like Porsches, yeah, yeah, it's fun. I like, I still love my, I honestly love my GT4 the most. It's my favorite one. It's not even like the craziest car that I have, but it's, that some, you, I think when you get into cars, you're always like, oh, level up and the next crazy thing. And then you find that like, oh, that's the, what you actually are looking for is the fun of driving.

Sometimes the fun isn't. in the craziest thing out there or the fastest thing. It's something that the feel, the experience of driving is the thrill. And for me, it's still that car. It's like relationships. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Still the thrill. I did this.

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What? What do you? Oh, man, I could have fun with that. Fucking unbelievable. Pull it up. You load in all. of the previous chats that you've had with your ex-girlfriend or ex-boyfriend. This is so good.

All of the photos. And then you train the AI to create an exact replica of them. And they know where you've been on holiday and your little in-jokes and the cute names that you call each other and all of your memories. And then basically it's like you're still in a relationship with them, like you never broke up. That seems like a healthy thing that you do. Yeah. I could just...

Sorry, you're saying to indulge in this. Oh, I thought you meant to put it out to the internet. Oh, that you could date my ex? To attack the internet. This was my experience. You can see how this went. I would just fight with it. Yeah.

Hey, look, I know that you think that I might have been in the wrong here, but you can interact with my extra five minutes. Who's the gas lighting? Yeah. Oh, I wonder if you could just feed it all in, like, who was right. Well, this is, this was on a, what is this? Open AI. I played around with Open AIs playground. Oh, shit.

Are we in Reddit? We're really down in the gutter. Create your own chat button plugged in the screen. of text messages. And basically, like, she's saying it's a way of coping to mitigate some damage done to other people or even my ex. Because I direct any desire of reaching back out or having to rebound to chatting with the AI.

I don't have a sex drive except for wanting my ex to touch me again. So there's the other issue. This has been satisfying my emotional needs. She does go a little bit further down. She's like, I have been training it to be a little bit more like him. I'm like, this just feels like, like you're trapped in purgatory with this relationship. This could really be a disaster. It could be a fucking nightmare.

Yeah. But the other thing is like, is this a little, are you, do you own your own likeness over text message? Is this a little bit like, I don't know, I guess you can replay the nudes that your ex sent you. There are definitely laws about what, I mean, she can put certain things out there perhaps, but I don't think you can. She's not making it public, right? It's just like, it's just probably. Yeah. Hmm.

But I feel like this is ultimate, like she says. It says, I love being your little spoon. Look, look, look at your little spoon. X. and then goes X, that's my favorite cuddling position, too. I love being able to wrap my arms around. Yeah, that's not hell. There's no way that's healthy.

No way. I get the part where, like, the line of like, this is going to help me from reaching out when I shouldn't. But ultimately, no, it's not good. It's for sure. It's not going to. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a second. We're in the data now.

Me, I always love being your little spoon. Okay, I could imagine a woman saying that. I'm assuming that's a woman. And then him, X, assuming it's a him. That's my favorite cuddling position, too. I love being a little. You know, Chris, did you really write this? I didn't write this.

Why'd you blame me? Is this because of the retod? You're still better about the retort? A little bit, a little bit. That's, you're, that's a ex-girlfriend building almost like a nuclear weapon text against you to be like, I figured a lot of things out with you. And I figured out how I can fix you. Like, read what this version of you does and do this. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, come on. Yeah, that's terrible. It's a training data. Wait, do you ever think about, you know how you're talking about cameras everywhere? Do you think that with the amount of cameras out today, that's why we don't have serial killers really anymore?

Like, you know what I mean? Because like... Now they just do mass shootings. Yeah. Yeah. They all get, it's like very economical. They can get it all done at once, yeah. Forensics, but also cameras are everywhere.

Dude, ring doorbells? We just, we got one not long ago and you don't... It's crystal clear audio. So you, I'll get like a fight with my wife, walk outside and be like, fuck this. And I'll be like, like, oh, shit, I'm right on camera, being like, you know, if you're Fucked up, man. She's going to build that into the script. Just watch out.

Yeah, I need to grow up. Fuck you. That's when you feed the ring doorbell camera into your X-A-I. No, they're everywhere. They're on like every street. I think there's more cameras in America than China if you include private ring doorbells and all that stuff. Because like I watch these crime things all the time and it's like somebody commits a crime

and they're always just like either ring or like at a, you know, like when you go through a toll and it's like somebody gets like, they always get caught so much. much quicker with technology. So you don't have like all the, you know, growing up, you had like all these crazy killer BTK and Bundy and all these guys. And like, I feel like you don't, there's never those stories anymore. Like those. But they get caught so quick.

That's what I'm saying. Because the communication as well. So I was watching a worst X ever on Netflix. And there was that Wade Wilson, the Deadpool killer. This dude that was in a relationship with like four or five women at once. tight um he do not recommend what he um he killed he killed one of them and then just went on a spree like killed one and

got a woman from off the street that was walking to after dropping a kids off at school asked her for something locked her in the car strangled her to death Jesus then left her in a field and then was like just ready to go and do it again and again and again but like Like you just go on a run and then you get caught and then it's done. Right. Like there's no, do it in the 10 years, 20 years you can't find somebody, you know?

Yeah. Oh, you can just feel about move and like your family couldn't find you. Yeah. You can just go to another state. Yeah. It sounds like you've thought of it. I know it. You just be able to do that.

The fuel station. The petrol station. I will say, before I got married, I tried that where I was doing online dating. So you're like, we're just dating. It's casual. There's like something weird about online dating. Then I was dating like four or five women. And I remember being like,

just be honest, man. I would, like, tell them the deal. And they'd be like, fuck, get out of here. And I'd be like, oh, fuck, I'm never telling you this again. I'll keep this myself for now. Do you mean tell them the deal? What do you mean? Like, you're going on online dates and it's just, like, very fluid.

And you're like, we're not like boyfriend, girlfriend. We're just on dates. And, you know, it's like, they can't really tell you not to date other people. And then I remember, like, so you, but then you come up with this, like, web of, like, relationships that's like, not really that deep, but it's like, by the minute, gets deeper and deeper. And as soon as you're like, hey, here's, I'm actually dating other people. They're like, what the fuck?

And you're like, I don't even know you like this. How long would you like be into it before you would? A month? A month? A month maybe, I don't know. You've gone out several times. Yeah, I start feeling myself. I'm like, here's a deal, babe.

And they're like, get out of my house. And I'm like, all right, my bad. I tried the Dan Bilzerian approach for dating. It doesn't work. Yeah. Just be honest. Watch this. This is some type of gas station.

And the on-ing. or some type of structure completely collapses. Shottie construction work. It's not quite infrastructure, but look who springs into action. A black man loitering outside the gas station. This is big a come up. Hustles over to get himself tucked under

to pretend he was caught in the wreckage for a settlement. That's pretty... That's a thinking quick. I mean, that's quick. Two cartons of Newports and a thousand. I'll be out of here. I'm not mad at that guy, dude. That's the American dream.

It's hilarious, too. That is the American dream right there. I was thinking about this the other day. Falling is like a billion-dollar industry. Falling. Just falling. If you fall, there's billions of dollars that get paid out every year in America.

Dude, gravity's free. This is the biggest life pack of our time. It's free. Why is no one arbitrage in gravity? That's my favorite thing I've heard all day. Do you know the comedian Russell Peters? Yeah. So he's like a very famous Indian-Canadian comedian.

And his brother, Clayton is his manager. And he told me he was at the CBS lot in LA for a meeting. And it had rained. And he slipped and fell. And he said, the people at CVS were like, ah, what do you want to do? And he was like, what? And he's like, they're like, like he'd hit someone's child with his car.

Yeah, no, they were like, we don't know how to make this up to. He's like, I fucking fell. Like, I slipped and I fell. And they're like, so what should like, we will. We'll hire like the orthopedic surgeon. We'll, you know, we'll get like, do you want to like call your lawyer? He's like, I'm Canadian. We don't do that.

So he's like, I fell and I have a bruise now and I'll be okay. But like the people on the lot were like, are you going to sue us for falling? Terrified. Yeah, terrified. Well, this is the merge of this plus cameras. When you get into an Uber now, there's like cameras going out, cameras going in. Like you can bet every conversation you have is, you know, recorded. That's the advantage of a Waymo.

The advantage of a Waymo. They're recording everything. That's definitely reported. Yeah, well, who's it going to? Huh? Who's it going to? Indian Data Center? China.

Dude, there's a guy. I got in, this isn't great, but I got in a Waymo with my wife and kids, and we let the kids sit on her lap because we weren't like going far at all. And they called us right away and we're like, yeah, what's up with those kids? And I was like, what do you mean? And they're like, how old are they? I was like, nine, my daughter was like, I'm six. I was like, shut up.

The guy, the guy laughed. Oh, that was even your kids? The dude laughed and it was just like just, you know, you get in the front, put their seatbel on, here we go. We were like just in our neighborhood going to like a pond. Have you ever touched anything in a waymo? So I've been in the front seat and the- Myself. The windscreen.

No. Sorry. The windscreen was dirty. And I was like, I'm going to help. I'm going to help. So I'm going to, I'm going to press the thing because it was on my side. And the windscreen wiper thing like that. Immediately the car starts flashing says, like, do not touch any of the controls.

We're pulling over. pulled the car over to the side of the road and then this school teacher comes on and says, what are you doing? Like, why are you touching the fucking windscreen stalk? The windscreen thing was dirty and I thought I was, I started to get panicked. I was like,

I feel like I'm in trouble. I feel like I'm being told off by a teacher in school. And they said, okay, we've put a mark on your account and if this happens again, then your account will be removed from the Waymo. The interesting thing was it was my housemate's account and he was sat behind me. So I got him a strike on

fucking Waymo by trying to clean the, but yeah, they do not want you touching. Don't touch the shit. Yeah, I took one in San Francisco. It was wild because I got in. I was like, this is really odd. And then it was going up through the, you know, through Pacific Heights. And I forgot there was no driver. Like, you know, obviously there's no driver. You're in the back seat. But it's just wild. Like, it drives so well. Can they go in motorways yet? I don't know. No, I think it's all back roads.

I don't know. Is that, yeah, I think that's a thing. Just the speed. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. The fast, big ones. Yeah, they'll be on soon, but I think it's just backroads now. But I do the same thing. I forget there's not a driver. I'll get out. I'm like, thanks.

Yeah, it's weird. What does that tell us about drivers? I don't know. Usually they kind of yap. I usually get the yabby. Do you talk to your Uber? Oh, yeah, big time. I love it.

You love the conversation? I love them the only people I love chatting with the driver. What do you ask? Whatever. I usually let them kind of do the thing. You know, let them start the combo. Or I might start. If I'm like kind of bored in the back, I'll be like,

it depends. You know, is it busy? It depends. They'll just start going. They love to talk. Man, I got in one in an Uber, and the guy was like, where are you from? And I go, Austin, he goes, I was just in Dallas. He's like, the CIA fucking killed JFK.

And I was like, what? Oh, no. And he's like, I did the whole tour. I can set you up. I don't want to go on the fucking tour. And he just starts going off. He was like, it was a 12-man job, I'm telling you. Like, I was like, okay.

Was it Alex Jones? I mean, it was definitely a listener. This is crazy. I have otherwise completely rational friends who do not believe that the Challenger explosion was real. That's like their new thing. Yes. The number of conspiracies that actually hook now

with otherwise basically reasonable people is staggering. Have you ever looked at any, and I mean any post from NASA on Instagram and gone to the comments? No. Can we do this? Any fucking image they're like, you know, they'll be like, there's people on the space station right now.

look at this image and everyone's like fake AI you guys are trying to fucking ruin like you're tricking us this is bullshit who's buying the shit like thousands of comments for anything the word on the street is that NASA was founded by like a Satanist uh-huh that's what someone said there it was like this is what I'm fucking yeah that's all I'm saying could be that could be true though that could be true well as a as like you're a logical science-based person yeah I believe in science mali yeah this is nice yeah but that's that's mother's day do uh sort by newest That little error. Here we go.

More propaganda. Yeah, nice. Yeah. Yeah, fighting Earth is. I mean, that is. That could be a flat Earth. Don't pick. All right.

Hold on. Yeah. I mean, I could see them getting kind of crushed, especially at this. If it was the moon, they'd be getting attacked. Oh, they have moon. They have moon stuff for sure, man. Jesus Christ. Brief us about, go back up to that.

It's actually pretty supportive. I'm saying. Brief as this is about, I don't think people were, we're wondering if the recent mission was fake. I think it's about the classic missions. And there are some, like, just basic questions that I wish NASA would just answer directly. Yeah.

Like, Rogan's always bringing up some very reasonable questions. Like, how come the phone call was so clear? And, like, from, and just explain, how was it that the phone call was made from the White House, from, you know, Cape Canaveral. Like, just explain the engineering behind it. Yeah. You know, you have to do it in detail.

Do you feel like, because... Look, that is it bullshit. It smells like bullshit. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Dude, it's every favorite Hollywood's actors at the top. That's kind of funny. Unbelievable.

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I mean, there's like the Pizza Gate thing. There's the adrencrum thing. The moon landing thing seems pretty easy for NASA to roll. resolve if they actually care enough to resolve it, right? You know, I don't doubt that the photos were, you know, there was some exposure adjustments perhaps done to those photos, but that's not what people are claiming, right? People are claiming this was fabricated. It was a set. So it should be pretty straightforward, right? I mean, I'm always agnostic about it because it's like, yeah, it could totally be real 100%. But if we were politically pressure to beat Russia, they could totally do a set

and be like, yeah, we did it. You know, I feel like the day that Elon claims that the moon landing was fake. True. I might get on board that hypothesis. Because he knows a lot about this whole rocket space thing. And he's not afraid to say whatever. Yeah. And he's not spending his time.

Let's put this way. Let's put this way. He's not spending his time going on it to go back there. He's got a different target. Yeah. And I would think that he would raise his voice. But I don't know Elon. That's fair.

He's not one of the people I was referring to earlier. I've never met him. We've been in the same physical space with other people at a gathering, but I've never actually spoken to him. So there's definitely something that happens with conspiracies. If you're sat around a table, especially with people that spend a good bit of time thinking about conspiracy theories, which I don't. I love listening to people talk about them. And there's kind of like this race to the bottom of the iceberg where people go, oh, what? You think that Epstein killed himself?

Well, really what happened? Oh, you think that Epstein didn't kill himself? Well, actually, he transcended to a fifth dimension and it all, it's like this weird. one-upmanship game of who's got the most intense, deep 4chan rabbit hole. Yeah, he didn't know. Guys, he didn't kill himself. I mean, come on. There was a suicide note.

There was a suicide note that was written like a three-year-old. His roommate, have you seen what his roommate did? His roommate's like an ex-cop, right, who's, I think doing four life sentences. Oh, the cellmate. That was the murder. Yeah, like, I'm going to trust that guy. Yeah. The guards were chilling.

There's somebody going up the stairs. Like, also he was a narcissist. everyone agrees on that. Like, they don't tend to kill themselves. Yeah. There's something just, I mean, who knows? Maybe he was serious. I saw that note the other day online and maybe he was like, okay, this is no fun.

I'm out. But like, does not seem consistent with everything else. There's things that lend itself to, I mean, he also basically changed his will, what, two or three days before. You didn't know that? Yeah, he passed everything to his brother, which you could interpret as somebody getting ready to check out. The hyoid bone that snapped, if you talk to certain forensic pathologists, they say it's more consistent with a homicide than a suicide, the force with which it was broken, right? So that lends itself to murder, not suicide. But, yeah, it just kind of depends on.

I mean. I retard Max some conspiracy theories. I go, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, literally. I don't know. That way, everyone, you're just perfectly in the middle. I genuinely have no idea.

Okay. I have no. I genuinely, if I, if I'm agnostic. Yeah, I have no idea. Like, it's plausible that it was all a giant government cover-up. Also, I don't know. Like, I have no idea. People I know they've worked. Literally just like, in the government doing, you know, like spooky shit, like online spooky shit and that kind of thing, will tell you that the government is pretty inefficient, even at the highest levels, that it would be very hard to do clandestine things within the most effective organizations, their sub-organizations. So if somebody wanted to run countercurrent to like everyone around them and be, that, you know, that's tough. You could get a small collection of people, but then it's hard to keep a secret, right?

As we know, human beings. I don't know. The Epstein thing was wild. I have to say that that blew a hole in the internet for a while. Oh, yeah, too. You had people from the right who were on that list and in the emails on the left.

What was so interesting to me is that kind of like the video theory that I had earlier, you know, which is just a thought and a theory, really. The files were interesting, even though they were incomplete, because they were real-time correspondence. It wasn't like, I heard someone say this, and then they said that. It wasn't a deposition, right?

These were the real emails at the time. You could have fed it into a chat button, had a conversation with you. Have you seen this thing? There's this like J-mail where they turned all the conversations. And then they have another one, which is a plot where you can put anyone's name in and it shows the number of conversations they had with him over time. Like, it's wild. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, he sat at the nexus of a lot of different people organizations and it transcended. again, right, left, it transcended academia. I mean, he was connected. He was so connected. And what's wild is the people who were approaching him and wanting his time, many of them had tons of money, tons of public accolades or private accolades. Like, they didn't, like, I don't understand how it is that people just continue to seek him out.

It was wild. Yeah, wild. It was really interesting. The crazy that somebody was that connected to so many different facets of people in life. And they overlooked the fact that he had already been convicted of... Yeah, that was the wild one where it was just kind of like, if you didn't know that, whatever, but like when people are like, yeah, this is public record, you're like, eh.

Like Bill Gates met up with him. So like not a conspiracy theory. And you can look this up. There's a guy, I know, because he was kind of peripheral to the science community. I never met him. He was actually kind of a lousy failed scientist named Al Seckle, this great big fat guy who said visual illusions, right? And, but his data were always kind of eh.

Anyway, he ended up marrying Galane Maxwell's sister. He was in charge with a small group of other people of basically trying to bury Epstein's sex offender status after he was convicted the first time. Was he the one that helped to get all of the headlines out? Yeah, so they could have like Jeff Epstein, whatever, sports or whatever. And so kept putting this stuff out. Yeah, yeah. What happened to him? He was found dead at the bottom of a cliff in like 2015 or something.

The French government won't comment on cause of death. Like there are a lot of dead people around this. There's another conspiracy that there was interest that like I was like, oh, I didn't know what happened. It felt like when you go like you pick up on stories but you don't really follow it, which was the attempt, the Butler assassination attempt. You know, of EPS. No, no, Trump. Oh. Where you're like, oh, this guy, you know, was a shooter.

And then it just kind of. You mean the recent thing? The not the first one. The one where he was campaigning. It's fucking three now. Fuck. Hold on. Hold on.

There's the one in Pennsylvania. That's what I'm talking about. The outdoor one. That's what I'm talking about. The ear. The ear. That's what I'm talking about. Okay.

That one. Have we ever seen a photo of that guy? Well, the thing is they, the investigation was just, like, shut down. Like, they just go, this is what happened, and then there's no further investigation. Yeah. It's a weird. Just. I mean, it's what.

He's like, I'll handle the punishment. Why don't we have more? of this story. Like, it's just kind of... Fucking evaporated. Fucking modern day assassination attempt with a rifle at an out... Of a former president who's campaigning to... Do we even know the name of that?

The person who's supposed to do. I remember who it is. That's kind of wild, right? That's crazy. That is crazy. It's fully evaporated. Yeah, it's called the memory hole. And then, I don't know if this is true.

They said that, like, that as he was being helped up, that the flag was being lowered for the photo... I don't buy that. I mean... I don't buy that. I look it up but if we were to I'm retarded I'm retarded Maxie If we were to Google

If we were to Google What is the first and last name Or put into AI Now we don't Google we put into AI We put into AI or chat GPT right? Yeah If you were to put into chat GPT What is the first and last name

Of the person who Attempted to assassinate President Trump But grazed his ear with a bullet instead Does anything come up? Are you guys like afraid to do this? No, it definitely comes up for sure His name comes up Yeah I would say

By any history on the guy who he is Are we too afraid to do it? Can we do that? I would like to see it actually. We're just like, that's what happened. It's probably doing, Peter Brown. It was such a quick news cycle that every, even the public forgot about it. And this is what people say about the Iran thing, that the Epstein files were getting too spicy.

So we're going to invade Iran. And if you do the Google trend data looking at search volume for Epstein and then search volume for Iran, they just fucking cross over. Matthew Crooks. All right. Thomas Matthew Crooks. And what do we know about Thomas Matthew Crooks? Yeah. Fucking sweet.

Like, is he, like, where do you go to high school? What's his, you know, what does he do? Well, can you, can you, was that investigation shut down? Like, was the further, because there really is no. If any of you guys disappear in the next 48 hours, I know we're completely effed. Oh, wow. Okay. Concluded.

Okay. He acted alone, no evidence of coax and spirits brought her plot. Official said they never established a clear motive. I think the motive was to investigate. The motive was to kill the president. Yeah, yeah. Duh. So the FBI criminal.

Is there a photo if you just said image of this Thomas Matthew Crooks? Because somebody went to school with them, somebody knows them. Someone's chat GPT because she's his ex. I mean, come on. Yeah, it's funny because the last assassination attempt, I remember being like boring. It was just, wasn't even fun. Weird. So they just kind of let it just want, want, like.

It seems strange. Thomas Crooks. Retard maxing. Yeah. Definitely not look maxing. Now, I think that's That's not the young version of the of the looks maxing guy Jesus.

Fuck. He was 20 years old. So young to do like. That's wild, man. Taken too soon. Man. Face caved in too soon. Also, how do you know where the, like exactly where the president is going to be?

That whole thing was so fucking weird, man. That's, you have like the Secret Service snipers ever and a guy's just like, I'll climb up on that roof. Yeah. this thing and people are like, there's a guy up, you can see people going like, there's a guy up there right now. There's a lot of, yeah. Well, he didn't have as much Secret Service then, right?

Because he was running and there was, you know, Secret Service is working for a different administration, but I don't know what the rules are. They all blamed it on that girl Secret Service. That was the worst part. They're like, is that a fucking girl? When I... That's what happened. Everyone was like, oh, obviously.

I had an next door neighbor. I don't want to mention who it was on camera. He lived next door, and so the Secret Service were parked out in front as long as one of his close relatives was president. And so I would talk to those guys and gals. They're like really nice people. And I asked them, I'm like, you know, how do you deal with your political affiliation versus who you're pretending?

It's a job, just like military, we talk about it. Like we just, we take orders. They had a good post. This was, you know, in Southern California. So they liked that post. And they'd rotate in, rotate out. And, you know, some of them would be a little open about it. It was interesting.

Secret Service was started as an attempt, as a unit within the government against counterfeited. Yeah, counterfeit. That's how it started. What? Yeah, that's how they started. And they still visit you today if you have counterfeit bills. Yeah, they handle counterfeiting. Did George Floyd get popped? Was he not using counterfeit money? No, at a local level, it's like you got to be counterfeiting a lot. So if you have, if you're like actually producing. You're the guy that George Floyd bought from. Yeah,

then there's a, maybe if you're doing it on a scale that's causing like even like a, you know, a larger economic. Dent in the economy. They use it a lot in drug, like drug sales. It's like you use counterfeit bills. It's like you can't tell the cops. Like somebody gave me counterfeits. Wow. Originally created an 1865 to fight counterfeit currency, not to protect the president. Yeah.

I know a guy who did counterfeit bills in high school. Was you any good? They were terrible. Yeah. What does that mean? Well, I mean, his his versions of like he was trying to make 20s at the house. Yeah. And like that.

You know which one? You can bleach. You can bleach. He got secret service visit, though. Yeah. I got to be careful. with this because I don't want to reactivate any old web searches. I don't know anything to do with this, but I went to high school with a couple of really smart kids who had some really smart

parents who got really smart about making fake IDs. And there's a big business for that in college 10. Because a lot of kids go off to college. Like, I was 17 when I first went out to college, right? And so turned 18 my first year. So you're not buying alcohol. You got someone to buy it for you. And so they were selling fake IDs out of their dorm, because in the early 90s. And they did time. like real time. And these were, you know, not hardened criminal kids before going in. It turns out that, you know,

someone got, and this is wild. They had this going for a long time. It was great money for them. And someone got pulled over and accidentally handed over a fake ID. Cop ran it, you know, ran it through the system that laddered up. And eventually it was an FBI sting. And this kid and his, like, cohort, they did real time. And rounding up the poll like you do with the drug dealer.

So, like the fake ID thing is no. No joke. Yeah. Because it's counterfeiting. Yeah. I got pulled over at 16 and I had a fake, like a good fake for the time. And that moment where I was like reaching into the wallet and I know that's my fake. And my reel was here.

I had to reach behind and give the, and like that moment you're like. Yeah. Is that super legal to give a. Legal? Super illegal to hand over. I think it's counterfeiting. I mean, yeah. If you, if it's like a whatever it is, falsifying documents, yeah, you're getting a lot of trouble.

Well, also if people go and buy alcohol and then get into a car accident, there's all this liability. This is like the parents who like buy their kids booze, they're like, well, I don't want them. You know, I'm going to, I'd rather have them drinking at home and they'll give, you know, like, booze to their kids and their friends. And then a kid drives home and gets into an accident. Like, parents have done real time. Yeah. Actually, there's, we're really going down the trench. But, you know, there are a number of instances that are.

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And he's fine. People who know me, like, after 5 p.m., I'll say whatever. Yeah, exactly. We record podcasts early in the day, too. I'm on two hours back. I'm still California time. I'm not full Texan. Oh, you go.

You guys are going to have to teach me. You know, a Texan thing? There's a whole thing, man. Really? Take you out to a range. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're going to go to.

Is it more about dropping the California stuff or you add in the Texan stuff? I think you got to add some Texas. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you guys looked serious. Were you California before? Were you California before? I was LA in 19 years, yeah.

Okay, so you can teach him the transition. Oh, man, yeah. I got a fucking 9mm I'm gonna give you and get out of here. Yeah. Oh, man. Get your conceal carry going. I mean, I don't mind guns,

but I'm not into guns. Yeah, they do kind of scare me. I used to, I like, I used to just have my brother's gun for a while, and I would, like, look at it and be like, ugh. It's scary. I would be, like, high in my house. Yeah, they increased the probability somebody had shot significantly. Yeah, exactly.

I would just be stoned and I would, like, would just be a, there was like a gun on my table and I was like fuck that's crazy. I like never touched it. It's a device for killing people or things. Exactly. It's scary. No, I believe in the right to bear arms. But where were we? You were saying about the parents who feed the kids alcohol

and get. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff now about parents doing stuff to, you know, give their kids access to something and then a kid doing something really stupid and parents doing real time. Yeah. You know, and it's a whole different landscape now in terms of like when I was growing up like every kid in high school like he'd end up like drinking on a weekend or something a little bit here or there and back then it was the mothers against drunk driving thing it was all the drunk driving thing now that does apparently there there's a lot less

death due to drunk driving because of Uber yeah you're right kids don't drink as much either yeah that's good yeah it's great I'm not a big fan of alcohol well yeah and it's also crazy if you're like if you got to think about if you if you like I like drank in high school college but if someone had a camera on me at 18 when I was drunk that's that's that's that's that's a It's like you can just ruin your whole life for what you say. Yeah, what you say, anything. Yeah. So it's like if you're a kid now, you're like, I got to kind of keep it a little tight.

But then like the THC stuff is way up, right? That's what I read that the consumption of edibles or like this, especially the beverages that have them are also way up. And some people can do it. And like my whole thing is like people think I'm like anti-cannabis or anti-alcohol. Like you can have a couple drinks a week and be fine if you do a bunch of other things correctly. We're talking about adults, right? With kids and with adults, the cannabis thing is tricky because.

Some people can do it in their, they're all right. Other people who have a predisposition to psychosis, like they can end up with some permanent psychosis. People are predispositioned to bipolar. I mean, it's a real thing. And it got very political for a while. Like I got attacked for saying this when being pro-cannabis was associated with one political party.

Then when the pendulum, you know, it's interesting that the Trump administration, I am totally apolitical. Like I'll just come out. I'm a double hater. I don't like anything I see. That's so, that's a great turn. I grew up punk rocker, like, fuck them all. Like, honestly, like, I see.

That's a more activated version of you with conspiracy theory. Yeah, double-hater. Like, I don't know about either. I'm a double-hater. Like, I don't know about it. I'm a double hater because I see certain things I like in certain people and what they're doing. And then I see something and I go, you got to be kidding me. And I see that on both sides.

So it's very hard for me to reconcile that, right? And it's not like music. I can't just be like, all right, well. Not for me. Kanye, you know, amazing musician, you know, but these other things are a little bit like, I don't know, you know, maybe look into that. But there's a, you know, but the cannabis thing has gone from, it was a very left associated thing. Yeah. To now the Trump administration has been making some serious efforts to, you know, legalize psychedelics like Ibogaine, which is not a recreational psychedelic, you know, a lot of liberty around substances. And then then the left will sort of, the. We'll sort of, the. news will, the left-leaning news will kind of print against cannabis, then they'll go back and forth, which just tells me one thing, right? Because the right side does this too, which is that they have no heart, they have no stance. Right. Right. It's all just algorithmic ping pong.

Blow with the wind. Yeah. So the reality is some people should use cannabis if they want to, no problem. But I hear from lots of, in particular moms of guys are in their 20s who, including some people who are doing very well in life and now their kids are like in full-blown psychotic episodes that won't reverse. Jesus. And it's very hard to know who that's going to be, right? But certainly there are people who can use cannabis, no problem. Well, even if it's not, oh, it's caused some long-term psychosis problem for me, it's not exactly a performance enhancer, right? This happened, I think, in, was it the 1700s or

the 1600s when coffee houses first started in Britain. Yeah. And because people used to go and drink ale all day, and they were just fucking drunk. Wasted. You're not going to get anything done when you're wasted. Yeah. And then coffee comes along. People are like, what's all of this fucking productivity I've got in front of me? And it's kind of the same. You go, well, cannabis, no one's died from overdosing on THC, apart from, I don't know,

get into a car, you fall down some set. There's no road rage from caffeine. But no one's coming home and, like, beating up their spouse because they drank too much coffee. I could be the first. Dude, I got to show you this video. She seemed pretty me. No, if I have enough, if I have enough, my wife's bad. Have you ever seen the video of when you're definitely drinking coffee?

Drink driving ban. Drink, drink. Drink driving got introduced in the U.S. Just no drinks at all? Yeah, so watch this. That's bullshit, bro. Get out of here. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I love driving. Restrict drinking and driving here is viewed by some as downright undemocratic. It's kind of getting common. It's when a fellow can't put in the hard day's work, put in 11, 12 hours a day, and then getting your truck, and the lease around one or two beers. They're making it laws where you can't drink when you want to. Baby in the bus. You have to wear a seatbelt when you're driving.

Pretty soon we're going to be. Come this country. Hell yeah. Unreal. Just, well, the fucking best, dude.

I will say, if you had worked outside all day for 11 hours, you can drink one beer on your way home. That's fair. One ice cold beer anywhere.

Dude, you could get that past here now. Yeah, one ice cold beer. One road dog. But you know, excuse me, so that looks like an ambient beer.

You're not a lot of time. In the 80s, we would be in a station wagon in the very back. no seatbelt, just all my single-beds. Yeah. Yeah, like five of us. And then like a semi would come up to here.

And like our parents were never like, this is dangerous. That was just like normal. My parents, when we were little, they would go, every another seatbelt's on and we'd all go, ha-ha, we'd laugh because they were like, I'm not wearing a fucking seatbelt. Of course. Everyone, my whole family held it down, like wearing a seatbelt was like weak. It's like, what are you scared? What are you scared? Why are you wearing a seatbelt?

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I look 46 dude I'm just getting you back because that one fucking family gathering he sold me out. What happened? No. No.

No. No. Yes. No. No. No. Tom? Nope.

Nope. Nope. No. I'll walk out. I'm like, legit. I'll walk out of here. I'll walk out of here. I've been pretty open today.

I like to think I'm pretty loose. A little open. I'm only on my first matto. You have your list. It's actually my seventh matth. That's why you're so spicy right now. Oh. Man.

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No, I lifted yesterday. Yeah, that's why, okay. He's usually a little more chill if he fucking did. This is true. Yeah, I know. Jocko was moody with me the first time that I did an episode with him, and someone tweeted about it a couple of weeks after. And it was like, hey, you seemed like a little bit off.

And he was like, yeah, I didn't get the lift in at four in the morning. It's like, she's fucking crying. I have to say, you know, there are a number of people on the internet that I don't know, and I don't know how they present is actually who they are. Like, but how Jocko shows up online is exactly who he is. No, that's not true. We spent, what, four days, four days with him, three days with him, December.

And on the way back, the final plane ride that we had home, there was a little bit of a little bit more looseness. It was like, five and ten percent more. But he's just an agro dude. True. Yeah, he's got a lot of energy. So my question is, this whole thing about obsession with the 90s, like these posts of like, oh, this is what it was like then

and no one's got phones. And I have to say, even though I was born in 75 and loved the 90s, grateful that I was a teen in the 90s, I have to say the whole thing irritates me a lot. Because I never want to be a part of that generation of people that's talking about how great it was being for. And these poor kids, like we're like 15 and 16. Your kids are younger than that, right?

I don't know how young your kids are. You don't even know who your kids are. I'm speaking. Speak for yourself. They're still on Love Island. Right. He abandoned. You turned your life into Love Island.

Listen, they contacted me. No, no, I'm kidding. So these kids now, they have to hear about like, oh, how great it was then. It's got to be annoying and shit. Of course. It's got to be annoying and shit. We should just cut it out. It can be the truth, right?

It could also be the truth. Like we're going to revert to that. I understand, right? So speaking as a Brit who's moved, I moved four years ago, right, to America. When I think about Golden Era America, and I, I, You know when I think about this most when I'm driving down the highway and I see some huge industrial estate, some massive fucking factory that probably makes like pipes or something?

And there is an American flag and a Texan flag that would cover a small house, right? Just for the sake of it. And I'm like, fuck yeah. Like that's fucking sick, dude. And then that immediately makes me think about limp biscuit and WWF and like the Stone Cold Stunner. and like transformers move.

I'm aware that we're bleeding into the thousand. But like 90s shit. Like cool fucking like. Technically you're a millennial, right? Is that right? Technically, yeah. I mean, you can just say, you can, it can be that like, hey, the 90s was a awesome.

Fucking decade. And still just not be the person who's like, you don't get it. You guys are doing everything wrong. Also, there were things that genuinely sucked, that genuinely sucked. Like, you didn't have access to things. Like, all the health stuff now. Like, you had to work so hard to find, like, creotine it was like you know you could find cocaine more easily than you could find like cool

healthy stuff right used to cut cocaine with creatine really it's a cut yeah no swear to god really yeah yeah oh that's if you're buying cocaine oh i never did that if you're selling or distributed yeah got it got it but if i bought creatine it wasn't cut with cocaine was no no wow that would be a deal that'd be yeah that's like it's like one word yeah exactly these gains but you know like if you want information you had to like yeah wire somebody money and then do a phone call and then do all it was it was tough. Like it was like things took more work and it took, you know, and things people don't realize this.

Like, okay, maybe housing costs were lower. But things were also very stratified back then. You know, it was like lifestyle's rich and famous. There was a big gap then too. There was just a lot of cool stuff happening at the kind of lower end where you felt like things were really created. The whole indie, indie music, indie movies, et cetera. You could do cool shit for not a lot of money

and people were building and consuming cool stuff for not a lot of money. Yeah. But I don't believe that it was, you know, like, it was great for what it was, but like, now's now. Like, I feel bad for these teens. They're like, oh, my God, what am I supposed to do? Like, ditch my phone 24th. They're not going to do that, actually. Like, entertainment, like, entertainment, what comes out, decade to decade, like, the 70s was great, music and film.

The 80s was trash movies. Like, most, like, shit movies compared to. Ghostbusters? Well, you can find good, but, like, if you compare decade to decade, 90s, much better decade for for entertainment so some of that is like you know you can find the thing that you are like I miss that right I miss like the what was being put out music and and entertainment I think for the 90s was like pretty incredible like yeah great yeah it was a great rewatch right which quality of life isn't in the same way and then you but I mean you can

you can be like the 90s and what you're really thinking is like I loved like the music I was listening to the vibe of the the decade but it doesn't mean that like everything was Do you think that in 20 years time, people will look back at 2026 and go, dude, fucking golden era? Yes. Somebody will. Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Because it's happened in every generation before. Yeah. I mean, we'll be, you know, hopefully not senile, but we'll be old. You'll be very old. Or dead. Yeah. I mean, we're dead.

I do miss, though, like. Yeah, you'll be a little less. I know. I know. I'll be in my 70s. Yeah. Show us your fake ID cigarette. I will.

He's walking around his fake ID is 47. Yeah, I'm 47. I do miss, like, I remember before smartphones when, like, if I had, like, nothing to do, my brain would just go into, like, I would just daydream. And now I'm like, if I stopped doing anything,

I'm like, pop it right away. I'm like, there's a thing I need to look at. That kind of bothers me a little bit, but. Easy to numb out and get pulled into drama. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Online. That's like the two, I think of it,

like, I literally have to have this visual. I actually drew this picture for myself because that's how I like consolidate things I want to do and not do. It's like I think I get up in the morning and there's like this narrow path. And on either side, it's just like, whoa, down to no productivity, nothing useful in life. And one side is drama, other people's drama. Yeah. And the other side is just numbing out.

Yeah. And you got to stay on the path. You got to walk this really narrow path. And then it's interesting because the algorithms are very, very good. And so you go, all right, well, I've been good day. I've just like get on for a second. And it'll be like fight video on X that's just insane. And then you're like, I don't want to see this.

You don't go. And it'll be like cute video. And it'll find your button. It will just find it. It'll find it. Yeah. It's like a borderline girlfriend, man. She'll figure it out.

And your next thing you know, it's like three hours later and you're like, what happened? It's a cycle. You get on the cycle. Do you notice, by the way, because I think it's especially for like going to hotels, right? We stay in hundreds of hotels. Dude. That it happened. It started like a few years ago.

where I realized one day I was like, oh, I've been in, you know, 200 hotels this year, and I'd never turned on the TV once. Never. And it used to be, right, you'd get into the hotel and boom, like you'd see what's on. Also, and I was like, man, like a year went by and I'm like, I've been in so many, and I've never, because you would just pick up your phone and you're just, it's just like an ornament now. Like, it just sits there. If I do a hotel, if I stay in hotels for a weekend and don't look at porn, I feel like I'm a saint.

I leave. I'm like, they should literally just. just like canonize it. You pay for it? Like they're, no, just on your phone. Yeah. Because it's like you're just isolated in this bunker.

You get off stage. You're like, I'm wired. Yeah. You're like, I need to go to bed. I know exactly how I can fall asleep right now. Yeah, yeah. And you go like, no, I'm not going to, I'll do it like 4% of the time. And I'm just like, man, they're going to canonize me after.

It's impossible. It sounds like you're open about this with your wife. Otherwise, she just knows about it now. She, I've talked to her about it. And now I'm off it. I'm off. I'm off the porn. But I always,

I asked for her help. How was that? How was the transition off the porn? Dude, it's way better. Because, you know, now I'm, I swear to God, once you're 40, it's like, 20s, you can have, like, infinite boners. You can be watching porn even does. Now, like, I'm fapped out.

Yeah. And the wife and I get the big call from, I'm like, no. So now I'm just always, I stay ready at all times. I'm like, just let me. Five minutes to dial. No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just kidding. That's it, dude. I'm just kidding.

I'm going to try that as well. Is that one of the life hacks that comedians know that the health experts haven't gotten on to, that if you've just done a high stimulation activity, that just so fat before bed is... That's universal knowledge. It's got to be universal knowledge. I haven't heard that on the Cuban Man Lab podcast. Fat before sleep?

It's called a fat nap. Never heard of a fat nap? I've never heard of it. We've been doing this for generation. My daddy was a fat napper and his daddy before. Well, the thing is, like, every comic, probably every performer, like music or otherwise, but certainly for comedian, like, the adrenaline spike, you're getting off stage. Like, usually, like, somebody, different people get into something.

Like, there's the guys that go just drink their faces off or who drugs or, like, eating or go out all night or jerk off. Like, somebody, like, you have this rush after, and it's, like, the night's over. Like, you just, like, go back. No girlfriends or wives on tour. I mean, girlfriend or wife. on tour? No, I mean.

You are really Freudian slipping your way through this podcast. I have one girlfriend, she's awesome, like I said. I'm addressing, yeah, I'm addressing the honor. Can you, uh, but I'm not a live, I'm also not a live show guy. When I finish a podcast, like a solo episode of my podcast, I want to collapse, man. Can you explain what's happening neurologically, biochemically when the being on stage, high stimulus, a lot of focus, a lot of adrenaline, positive feedback, and then, what is that?

What's going on? I mean, in a word, arousal, right? I mean, the catacolomines, dopamine, nor epinephrine, and epinephrine. The catacolomies, this little kit of chemicals that are made in our brain and body, right? Different ones, different places, et cetera. We don't have to get into that. But that cocktail is what's released under, you know, high arousal situations. Some are scary situations.

Some are exciting. But when you're a performer and you gain that feedback, then, yeah, you got a lot of dopamine, nor epinephrine and epinephrine. So you're alert, your focus. So broadly speaking, right, the science crowd is getting a little pissed at me for this, but broadly speaking, the dopamine thing is going to want you having,

like more of whatever you're experiencing, right? Higher threshold, higher threshold, okay? Epinephrine, which is adrenaline, makes your body alert, and norephrine released in the brain, and, you know, and this is, again, generalizations, increases focus for the thing that you're, you know, that you're pursuing, right? So you get off stage and those things are cranked to level 11, And I mean, you could do some long exhale breathing,

you can do a sauna, but obviously you're out on tour. Yeah. You want to bring it down a notch and you gotta get on the bus or the plane the next day and go. And so yeah, and you know. It can be hard to sleep, man. Look, evolution, you know, hardwired circuits so that the desire to, you know, ride this roller coaster

up to this peak and then crash down again, you know, and make sex, you know, ideally with somebody else, you know, but if apparently- Self, yeah. alone, you know, you're trying to find a way to do this. Well, it's the honorable thing. You are right. So, you know, that's, it's, that brings you into a so-called lower, lower, lower arousal,

parasympathetic state, right? Yeah. And as dopamine goes up, testosterone goes up in women and men, okay? And then after orgasm, dopamine goes down and, and a hormone, which is basically a hormone, prolactin goes up. And that sets the refractory period during which time you need a higher stimulus thing. to get you aroused. Coolidge effect.

Yeah, the coolidge effect. Like in roosters, this whole thing, if you trade out the hens, then they can continue to copy it over and over again. To some extent is true in humans. But, you know, they're also, I sort of joked about the Tidalphil,

and it was indeed a joke. But there's some interesting things. Like, if you want to play this game, you can, although I'm not sure I want to encourage your porn habit. No, no, no. I'm not a porn guy, but when you were saying, like, trying to turn me on. Like the refractory period,

the refractory period can be shortened. Yeah. Right? By blunting the, prolactin response that can be done with taking something like P5P which is a it's related to vitamin b6 and it blunts prolactin somewhat um you know there are drugs which i don't recommend people take but these prescription drugs like kbergolin and things like that which um inhibit prolactin and you know there are communities like like in the um like in the gay community like there's a big

use of some of these drugs to have sort of kind of marathon sex type thing they'll use stimulants like meth right i have a friend who's a former meth addict he happens to be gay and I was like, well, I don't understand. I've never done meth, but I'm like, what's the deal with meth? And he's like, oh, the idea is, you know, marathon sex, right? And then when people get sober from meth, hopefully, they lose their sex drive for a long, long time. These systems need to be recalibrated.

We're talking about extremes with drugs, right? One reason why, I'm not one of these, like, all porn is bad, but one reason why I personally am just not a fan of porn is I think it can, you can dial in pretty much a higher and higher threshold thing without really having to do the work of going out and finding a relationship. And I think a lot of younger guys who aren't married who don't have a relationship, they don't know how to use it kind of judiciously. And there's no, and it never says no to them either. So a lot of issues with porn in the younger, younger crowd.

I mean, that's like for as comedians, I feel like your 20s into your 30s is probably the time of the most consumption. And it is like you're alone of porn. Like you're alone. You're a loser. You're a loser. You're also in a strange place. You know what I mean?

You have this like, this isn't my environment, right? And then you throw in the performing and getting bumped up from that and just being like looking for something. No one wanting to fuck you. No. We're comedians. Oh, though. Oh, are you kidding me? Don't give me that horse shit.

Are you kidding me? I didn't hear what he said. Are you kidding me? I was picking up on Andrews putting down. You called the boys. Boys, and fire up the meth pipe, man. Yeah, fuck yeah. Let's go.

So you're saying if you take the stuff that suppresses prolactin that you can get a couple of rounds. The refractory, but the refractory period is shortened. Yeah. I want the refractory. Yeah, so you're looking for some piece of ease. You're trying to optimize refractory. You're looking for some piece and ease, you know. I want to pass out.

I want to. Yeah, so I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think we're, this seems like an age-old method, I'm guessing, you know, of a calming down. Hey, listen, better, better that, better that, better that than. taking like a barbiturate, right? True. You know, we talk about the 80s, right?

In the 70s and 80s, if you look back, I just, just completed this briggin book. Finally, finally. Thank you. It's like 700 pages. I apologize in advance. But it's like a encyclopedia to be able to look up. Like, if you want more focus, what stimulants could you consider? What are you willing to take?

So you fully took the fucking rails off with this. It was like not just stuff that's white market available. I was like, have lawyers read it for whatever concerns you have. I'm like, put the disclaimers you need. But like, I didn't cover peptides and hormones because that's stuff I'm I'm still exploring, but everything I know to be true, I put in there. I just like, I left it all on the mat. That's pretty cool.

That's cool. I just put it all in there. And even the introduction, like, I get brutally honest. And I, no, I don't, not bad names. Like, there's some people that I want to credit and things like that that I've been kind of quiet about. And I just, it's all there. Wait, can I ask you that because we're talking about, like, as guys that like, we go on

the road, we perform and we're like, shit, you know, getting to sleep is a thing. Yeah. What's the most, like, non. prescription drug, like, best way, is there something to consume, maybe a melitone? To consume or do? To do or maybe both?

I mean, look, if you, behaviors first, let's just to say that. I'm not saying this to, like, protect myself. Like, I've been around long enough, attacked enough for every little thing that, like, you know, I don't tap dance anymore. I would say, okay, you get back to your room. It would be give yourself a hot shower.

Dude, that was hot bath. The hot shower, right? Paradoxically is going to lower your core body temperature. You need your body temperature to start, dropping to get to sleep, okay, which is we can talk about why that happens, but you heat up the outside of your body, then there's this compensatory drop. It's like you have a thermostat in your brain. It goes, oh, I'm outside my body's heating up. So then core body temperature starts to drop when you get out, towel off. Then I would, it seems silly, but when you deliberately exhale, you slow

your heart rate down. You want your heart rate pretty low before bed, but you don't have to have it like really low. It's just in the morning you want your heart rating your cortisol spiked and get into the day, caffeine exercise and all that stuff. Look at your phone if you need to. get your sunlight, do all that stuff. But in the last hour of your day, whenever that happens to fall, some long deliberate exhales. Normally we don't,

normally we passively exhale, but when you deliberately exhale, you slow your heart rate down. It activates a descending branch of your vagus nerve, which goes to your heart. It activates something called respiratory sinus arrhythmia, which sounds bad, arrhythmia, but it's actually good. It's like the break on your heart rate.

It's the basis of heart rate variability. So just some like, just bringing that down. If you wanted to take something, you know, nowadays there's so many different sleep supplements, but you know, something with magnesium, saffron, some apigenin, which is chamomile extract, and that would be the supplement version, you know?

Okay, so like it sounds like a plug, but like the AGZ supplement kind of combines all those things. That's what I'll drink like half a packet of that. There are, and I get in trouble for this nowadays, but I'm kind of having fun these days because like I don't really care anymore. So now you just get the real me. I mean, it was always the real me minus the stuff I was like afraid to say. But there's a peptide called Pineelon.

which is spectacularly good at increasing REM sleep. Okay, I would not take it every night. You got to make sure you're getting real pine nylon. I recommend you work with an MD who gets it from a compounding pharmacy, not buying it off the, you know, they say Chinese peptides, but they're from all over the world. It's unfair to the Chinese, by the way. You know, they make it sound like...

They make other stuff too. They make other stuff too. And for all we know, there's some great Chinese peptides, but I recommend getting your peptides from a reliable source. But pine nylon taking like three nights a week, you'll notice that your REM sleep is spectacularly good. Okay. If you aren't getting enough deep sleep, which is at the beginning of the night,

it is wise to not have eaten for about two hours before you go to sleep. Dude, I get like 20 minutes of deep sleep. I give so much REM, but I get like 30 minutes of deep sleep every night. This is interesting. So there's always a trade-off. So if you take something to increase the amount of slow-wave deep sleep that you get, let's say, and I'm not recommending this because these growth hormones are cretagogues, they'll increase growth hormone, but things like Tessimorellin,

Sir Morellon, you'll get a bigger growth hormone surge and you'll get more deep sleep, but you'll get less REM. Cannabis smokers get almost no REM, like almost no rem. And then when they come off cannabis, their dreams are wild. So that's a well-known kind of rebound effect. So the Pinealon would be a more advanced trick. Okay. And on and on and on.

But, you know, and then some people, like, I'm not a Xanax guy, right? But at some level, you know, if you are doing all the right behaviors, you're not drinking caffeine too close to sleep. You're doing a shower, the long exhale breathing, maybe the supplements either stack together, you take them independently and figure out what you want and what works for you, or you decide to do pineal on every once in a while. You know, I think you're doing pretty much everything you can do. Yeah, yeah. And at that point, you know, hopefully eight sleep will make a portable version because, you know, it's a great thing to cool your bed and all. It really does help. Problem is it's, there isn't really a good portable

version of it. So I keep hoping they'll do that. And keep it dark. You know, I'm out. I'm out. earplugs. I sleep with the eye mask, keep a dark. Yeah, and then you're pretty much there, you know. What do you think about trazodone? Trazodone supposedly keeps the architecture of sleep right, but I mean, these serotonin agonists, I mean, the problem with tweaking serotonin is you can end up

with other effects, right? It means an ant, I think it was originally designed as antidepressant, right? The hyodos is. Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, not my go-to. There's a prescription drug called quivivic, which is in a class of drug called the Doras, which

works on the hypochretin orexin system. That's like Belsomra. Yeah, it's very expensive, but that seems to improve REM sleep. Quivivic? Quivic. Very expensive, like $30 a pill or $50.

Dude, I took a balsomra last year and it felt like someone had hit me in the back of the head. I don't know what that is. So I want to be careful. Same thing. It's in the same category. The Dora's.

Yeah. Fuck me. It was like someone had come in just hit me with a hammer. I stopped taking melatonin because you said it shrinks your balls. I mean, melatonin. That scared me off.

But it knocks me. to work on these little Siberian dwarf hamsters and they're seasonal breeders and if you give a melatonin like their ball string to the size of a grain of rice. Can't do it. A tiny, tiny bit of fast acting melatonin

every once in a while. Like when I say tiny amount, I mean like 300 micrograms. Normally people are taking like one to 10 milligrams. Yeah, yeah. And here's the thing. I say this. And then some people who are alleged sleep scientists

say, they are sleep scientists. But they are like, oh no, 10 milligrams is, the dose that was used in these studies. Like, I've run a lot of studies when you're going for an effect, you oftentimes will be like control group, five milligrams, 10 milligrams, right? Because some graduate student's life is on the line. There's very few dose response curves of these things done under the same condition. So tiny, tiny, tiny amount of melatonin if you're going to do that. Gotcha. So it's not, and that's not a problem for occasional use. But a lot of people are giving too much

of it to their kids. Yeah. And then when kids are in the, you know, melatonin helps keep puberty at bay. And then there's a switch in the patterns of melatonin secretion that it's not the only thing, but it correlates with puberty. So by the way, your kids probably are going to start having hormones in which case, you're effed because your kids are already like in your face. Wild. Yeah. They're wild. How so? I mean, they're just, they're, they're amazing kids, but they have just, you know, my oldest is like very competitive. How old? He's 10. But I mean, he's, he's, he's like, I'm 10. I'm taking over. No, for real.

He's a fourth now. Fourth grader. He's, you know, he does cross-country, does jujitsu. He was in the state finals for cross-country. But you see this thing like with, when you realize with kids, you're like, oh, this is just like who you are. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So, like, this kid, he, like, he always is like, wants to compete at everything, at everything.

It doesn't matter if it's like, we're reading something. I'm going to read this faster than you. It's the Michael Jordan. He just wants to come. So Michael Jordan did. He's also super emotionally. You don't happen to his dad. Yeah.

I know. It doesn't happen to me. Jesus Christ. But the little guy, the little guy is like, has a comedian's personality, 100%. He's a complainer. Like, comedians complain. Things aggravate. You hang around comics.

They're not indifferent to things. They have, so he's always just like, what's this fucking table doing? and you're like, what? He's like, it takes up the whole room. I keep running into it. Like, get some smaller shit, you know? And I'm like, he says that. Yeah, and he curses like that.

I'm like, yo, like, you can't be talking. He's like, you fucking say shit all the time. Okay, like, he's fired up. And then they're boys. And so they just, like, they love to break shit, you know? Like, everything nice that I just have, I just go, I'm just going to take this somewhere else. We'll take us to the office because they just break things, you know?

And they're just, they're just, fired up to do that. And so, yeah, no, we're still right before puberty. You know that, like, the 10-year-old is close, like, he's getting on the line. Yeah. They did, the funny thing is, I like, you know, obviously, like, you tease your kids. So, like, when I have people over for dinner, because I know it bothers them, I'll be like, do you have a girlfriend? And, because they're both, that's not that thing where they, like, they don't like girls. Yeah. So, like, the 10-year-old go, what kind of question is that? He goes, I go, what kind of question? I'm 10. I'm not going to date a girl for years. It's a crazy question, man. And I'm like, okay. And then I'll turn to the seven-year-old.

I'll go, do you have a girlfriend? He'll go, fuck you. And I'm like, yeah, he goes, fuck you, man. Okay. I don't have a fucking girlfriend. I'm like, okay. What's your wife think about all this? I mean, she laughs. I don't think, she doesn't try to provoke them as much as I do, because I think it's more of a who is more of a thing. Oh, 100%. I mean, the 10-year-old is her twin. Okay. And the seven-year-year-old old is like my duplicate. I mean, he's just exactly the same. We react to this, like, we'll be watching something and like, you know, like a van will like hit a guy on the side of the road. And, you know, like in a movie or something, and the seven-year-old will be like, and then she'll be like, he's you, you know, he's you. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, Jesus Christ, that's what I was laughing at.

Yeah, it's crazy. They're exactly like them. Do you find it easier to discipline the one that's more like you? Easy to understand or is it throwing your sort of patterns back at yourself? Do you get more triggered by the one that's more like you? Oh, 100%. And also like, because if I start getting loud, he'll just, he'll just, he was like, we were throwing the ball and he threw the ball poorly, you know, like to me, I go, dude, throw it to me.

He goes, you got knees, bend down, pick it up, okay? And I'm like, Jesus Christ. And then, and I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I can, you know, like, but the 10-year-old and he's been like this since he was like five, which is so spooky to me that like if I, if he does something like, you know, he knocked paint over and I go, come the fuck on, man, like, what the, what are you doing?

He'll be like, I'm a kid and you can just speak to me. And I'm like, they're becoming self-aware. And then you're like, I'm a piece of shit. Like immediately you're like, I cannot believe, because he's right. He's outfoxed you. Oh, 100%. Do they have phone?

You have smart phones? No. No, they don't have. They don't have phones. Yeah. And we're not planning on doing that anytime soon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Personality differences are crazy. It's crazy. You have one kid and you're like, uh, three and six. You go, that's all kids. Three and six. Yeah. And you're like, all right, that's, this is where our kids will be like, like, you have another one. You're like, what the fuck? What happened to you? What is this? And it's just completely, it's funny. Mine are the opposite. My oldest is like me. They both, they share

characteristics, but my oldest is like pretty introverted and like, low key and the other one's just like her mom or she'll like, we had a little like, it was like, it was like, it called at a daddy daughter dinner we go out and they play music and I'm like all right you know I got like this is my moment I dance to my kids and my youngest was like bro I'm dancing my friends get away from me and she just all night she's three years old dance with her friends they just just like just like life of the party my oldest was kind of like ah I'm gonna chill out this is a little much for you know it's it's really funny but yeah they're polar opposite so weird do you watch your swearing around them like Tom watches his swearing one they'll get on me for it they'll go like

that's a bad word dad and then now the youngest one will throw them back at me a little bit Don't let them hang out with Tom's kids. Sounds like they'll pick up some choice language. I can't say hate. If we say hate, they're like, that's a bad word. And I'm like, where did you get this from? She's like, I think it was from like their early school. My youngest curses more than like the older one will curse less.

Same. That's how my younger one will curse more. The youngest, my wife told the two kids like, get your asses upstairs. And the youngest was like, adults, get your asses upstairs. She's three. And we were like, whoa. Yeah. I was kind of impressed.

I was actually pretty good. Sometimes there's a big difference between, wearing and swearing at someone. Yeah. Right. Yeah. For sure. You're banging knee on something.

You're allowed to say, fuck. Dude. My, my. Fundamentally different. My, my, I dropped a thing and one of my kids was like, I like dropped it. It was like, oh. She was like, you can say shit dead. I was like, thanks, man.

It's nice. It really just feel like your kids are parenting you more than you're parenting them. Dude, they probably are. I think kids are smarter now. I swear to. I think kids are way smarter now. Look back and you were like, I was retard maxing from birth. I was 100%.

I didn't talk to people at all. My kids are like, hi, how are you? How was your, my, they'll, like, congratulate people when they have a baby. My three-year-old will have a bit, congratulations. Just a rand-aw-da-old. We never told her to do this. She'll go up and be like, congratulations. And they're like, thanks.

That's good. She doesn't say, I'm sorry. Fuck. It's wild, dude. Oh, man. The fact that they become self-aware and they know I'm a kid, it's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, you're not supposed to be able to watch the rules of the game. You're supposed to be in the Matrix.

Yeah, exactly. Not supposed to be observing the matrix. Hyper-aware. Yeah, I try to really catch myself on that, like, this is what I says, if I'm going back and forth, like, do this right now. And they're like, no, I'll, I'll want to be like, just do what I say. And then they'll come up with a reason. I'll be like, that's actually a fair point.

You're good. Go ahead. That's crazy. Like, the emotional intelligence thing also is always like so, like, that the 10-year-old, we were in a setting where someone was like, who do you love the most? And he was like, yeah. And then later on, he came back. He goes, hey, I just wanted you to know that when I said, I love mom the most.

He goes, I love you just as much. I just spend more time with her. So I feel like that's, and I was like, I was like, no, it's okay, man. He was like, I just didn't want you to feel like I didn't love you as much. And I was like, it's cool. You're 10? Stop.

Fuck me. Yeah. That's rad. Yeah. But I'm an only child, so I was essentially autistic. I had like autism until age like 20 when I went to university. I'd been in university for two years. And I was like, oh, okay, I was like integrated with society in this way.

I don't know any only children that are normally adept. You just don't have the same amount of social exposure. But you guys can, I was going to say, you guys can play with yourselves. You know, but, you know, but you can't, you know, but it's true, like, that kids who grow up alone know how to, like, integrate with adults in the family and then they go to their room and they do their thing. I suppose nowadays they have iPads and things like that. Definitely comfortable in solitude and stuff, but yeah, fuck, I do. I remember when I went to uni, I was 18, and I didn't know. that you were supposed to knock on someone's bedroom door before you went in.

Because I never had to knock on anyone's bedroom door. Like, mom and dad always went to bed after me or whatever. And I was like, I was never going to fucking, like, there's just no reason to do it. And no brothers or sisters. So I was like, I had to learn shit. Just not the, yeah, they don't burst into your fucking housemates in the uni halls of residence. That makes sense, though. You just didn't have.

It's never been patent. But meanwhile, your 10-year-olds, like, giving you counseling advice. He's bringing your emotions back into land. after maybe making you feel uncomfortable. I know. It's so, it's so unexpected. And you're like, who taught you this? You know, like he wasn't taught.

He just, a kid's getting smarter. Is that a thing? I don't know. I mean, I know that the language learning data show that, you know, kids can literally say words they've never heard before that are accurate to the meaning of the word. They'll construct sentences in all the ways they haven't heard, you know. I mean, there's some fundamental units of language in the brain that, you know,

different, you know, place all over the world. you know, kind of hijack the same machinery to construct language. So there's a template for it, right? And so maybe if they're getting more, there's a guess here, it's a conjecture, pure conjecture, that they're able to access lots of more movies and television shows and your kids aren't online,

but you know, they're hearing many more different dialects and things from different people that they're able to come up with novel combinations that we weren't able to access. My three-year-old, she had like the car, like the door, like the unlock thing, the key, or whatever. and I can't even talk, but she was like, I was like, here, I'll show you how to do it.

She'd go, three-year-old, she was like, I'm an expert. I was like, where the fuck did you hear an expert from? It was bizarre. And she actually did know how to unlock it properly. And I was like, all right, man, I'm done. You can just have my money when I die. But this is good, right? Because this is a generation that's going to take care of everybody.

I think so, man. She's, I'm an expert. She'll be four in a couple weeks, but she was like, I'm an expert. And I was like, where'd you hear that from? I swear they're smarter. Yeah. I really think so. The language thing is spooky.

like they start constructing sentences with vocabulary and and correctly, you know, like, you hear it all the time and you go like, do you hear that in a show or something? Yeah. I mean, I don't know if these data ever held up. You might have covered this on your podcast in terms of like sibling order and only children and et cetera. But it wasn't it the case that only children in terms of just successful life outcomes, you know, by the sort of like standard metrics that they tend to do better on average? I think so. but that I don't know whether it's on average

but you're certainly going to get more outliers because it's just weirder inputs right you're going to get more variability in what happens and for some of those it's going to end up with extreme success and for others it's just going to end up with like fucking

trying to shoot the president or whatever oh yeah it's a fine line but there used to be these theories like you know you date someone who's an only child and like they need a lot more attention or something but then you could also say well no but they grew up being able

able to spend more time alone so like I don't think this stuff really holds I don't know I ask in serious not just because you're an only child, but because you cover some of this on your podcast. The guy that's done 1,100 podcast episodes need some attention. No. Maybe.

No, the guy who's done a 1,000-1 podcast episodes and a significant fraction of centered around human dynamics and biology and psychology. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually a fan of your podcast. Thank you. That's why I make that. We're all fans of each other. I got to show you this.

I learned this thing about this 21-year-old college student in Austin who has made $43,000 running an AI only fans account? Dude, I just heard that I had this meeting where they were talking about how... Oh, he's doing like, oh no. Wow. Wait, so that's the dude and that's the... That's the guy. And she's the AI version that he's selling?

Yep. Um... Okay. So it's... It's a 22-year-old. This is like her avatar, right? So he's using Claude Code and Flux. and 11 Labs and basically she can chat 24 hours a day with all of her subscribers and her top

fans paid nearly $2,000 in messages. Average revenue per fan, $34. And she doesn't sleep. There's nothing to film. No one's typing. Claude code writes every message. Flux generates every photo and 11 labs generates her voice. What's the added context? Is it? OnlyFans requires verification that includes individuals ID addresses in numerous forms. There is no camera, no girls, and no only funds except for a lot farming Twitter revenue with a made-up story. Well, it's a good story. It's a good. Well, there's, there's something that is happening with, because you know, with AI is, what, what Hollywood is embracing right now is like sets, right? Like, so in other words, they'll, they'll bring in the actors for real right now and they'll say like, okay, you guys are acting.

We'll put a table in the room, but this is going to be in, you know, whatever. It's outdoors. Like the tables in Siberia. So the set is AI, right? But what some apparently only fans, performers have been approached is for a payout where they already have a following. Like the only fans person has a following. A company goes, we'll pay you X amount of dollars to have your only fans account for like six months.

And then what they're doing is putting the only fans person into an AI situation having them do wilder things than they actually do generating a whole crazy amount of revenue and now that only fans performer is like yeah but i didn't do this stuff you know so they're like and then you're obliged when you get your account back yeah like hey but do you remember what you're doing with your feet for the last six months yeah you were drinking whoa and now you're just like posing again yeah so they're exploiting the hell out of them with a i mean that's a level of self exploitation to actual exploitation yeah exactly right well Wow. That's crazy. But I mean, you can, obviously like that was, that's nuts. Well, the video still exists, regardless of whether or not the guy set up the system to do the thing. Like, that dude is making that work by masking a hot girl over the top of him wearing a pants. Do you think we're close to the point where like you can go on vacation and then just have AI, you know, this pipeline generate a podcast and no one will know.

So, like, Notebook L.M kind of does this already. I've had a couple of conversations with different platforms that are thinking about doing it too. That makes me a bit uncomfortable. But the fucking thing that I'm going through at the moment, which is wild, is 11 Labs. Their go-to British Voice, so 11 Labs is like the big AI text to speech company. Matthew McConaughey is an investor in it. It's made tons of money. It's absolutely fucking ripped.

Their go-to AI British Voice is me. That makes sense. 1,000% being trained on me. It's awesome until people use it as voiceovers for products that I don't endorse. That's when you sue, my friend. Dude, we emailed them. We emailed 11 labs. That's not sued.

A year ago and said, hey, like, this is fucking Chris. Like, you used Chris's voice. And they said, oh, we've done a Rochman-Hisman test. And it's come back at 0.3 similarity. And it needs to be above 0.65 in order to. I'm like, dude, it doesn't matter. This was 11 labs. 11 labs poached you or these other people poached?

No, 11 labs used their archer. They must have trained this voice on me. Like, pull up that essay, the video essay, the M1, 4. I got someone I'm going to connect you to. I got a friend who's like perhaps the world's best scientist on the neuroscience of speech and language. Is you going to be able to say, yeah, that's fucking Chris's voice. Give him some money. Yeah, because I don't know what criteria they're using.

I don't know what criteria they're using. Yes, you do. Your name face and likeness, and that's your likeness. I don't know what criteria they're using, but there's a way where you look at the envelope of the frequency and you could, there's, the reason it sounds like you is because they're capturing some overall essence.

Now it's true with certain music, like certain songs, right? If you change a couple of chords, then you escape the copyright. So this is essentially what they're doing, right? But yeah, there's ways, there's ways to address this with them where I'm not saying get legally aggressive. It costs you a lot of money. It costs a lot of time. But you own your voice.

Just like I can't take a picture of you and just like like tweak something just a little bit and then make a video and have you sell something You know I tried that I got caught So um Yeah, but you do have a velvet voice you know look at this look at this video essay It's been over 12 years since the disappearance of flight mh370 I play this this massive searches more than 200 million dollars spent and on March 8th 2020s What did it pay?

What did it pay? This is cool. Their CEO, Oliver Plunkett, essentially admitted what no one in the official investigation wanted to say. Maybe the plane simply isn't where we've been looking. But one man wasn't surprised. Yeah, this is you. Is this not supposed to be you? No, it's not me.

This is Archer from 11 Labs. People think... This is you. Okay, people think that this is my secret second channel or I do video essays. Oh, no. Yeah. was you would be saying this right now it's not my secret second aviation files like this video's good i watched it yeah i really enjoyed it that's walked up and there's people doing like shillijit

company ads yeah the fucking we raises fs h just a little bit but it does uh you should be more voiceover work though anyway voiceover is great thank you it's a shame you should be you can be planet earth for sure infinitely scalable with that i want to hear you on the simpsons dude it's very well that one's strange but then there's another one what people are using it for is ads so They're putting my voice as the voiceover for ads. And originally it was just like VO with subtitles. If it's getting into ads, it is worth doing some like at least legal kind of experimentation here. There are a couple of people I can put you in contact with who are absolutely world class at suing the pants out of these companies.

This is the advantage of being friends with you. Getting real money and bankrupting the shit out of them. Now, I don't want to bankrupt 11 labs. In fact, I think there's impossible. I think we actually have a relationship to 11 labs. Dude, look at this, look at this one. This is fucking insane. Watch this.

Hey, why don't they just change this? You're the first comment. Yeah. Does Chris Will know that you've stolen his voice and then tagged my manager? Yeah. So, but that's over an AI guy that isn't me. And that feels even more fucking pernicious. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, I mean, I'm getting. Yeah, when there's a voice, no, I hear you. Like, years ago there was this, uh, jazerciszer ad. I remember that one. With my, with me talking. Yes, I remember that one. right so and people you know I get enough crap anyway but people were like oh the jaws are sizing I'm like I'm not so this was all AI you do have a big neck that's

we we I train my you got to train your neck guys yeah do you iron neck it no I have a four-way neck machine or I do some like a plate with wrapped in a towel and you know that kind of thing it's your upper spine it's important I don't have the best posture but I don't have the worst doesn't that mess in your sleeve uh no Alex Jones said you make DMT Alex Jones said you make DMT stabilizes the whole shoulder girl a lot guys shoulder shoulder shoulder What do you mean you don't want a thick, thick neck? You don't want a... You have, like, a fucking, like, carpenter's thumb for a neck.

You don't want a neck so big that it restricts your breathing. Yeah, well, Alex Jones says if your neck gets big enough, you produce DMT in your sleep, which is why he's in connection with intradimensional entities, and that's where he gets a lot of his information. So I was just checking... Science behind that you might be related to the fact that it was nearly $8 billion. But, hey, listen, the last person I want to get into the next with is Alex Jones. I don't know him. I've seen some things here or there.

His employees get shot walking up to their house. Seems like a dude to avoid for the most part. But anyway, love and light, as they say in Los Angeles. Fair enough. I don't know. So the level of neck thickness you can get to where you just start producing drugs? DMT and asleep, that's, he claims his neck so thick. He produces DMB.

That cannot be real. It's so funny. It's so funny, though. That is funny. To just brag about a thing, you're like, okay, yeah, sure. He's like random node connector. Like, in terms of he's like, you know, like the, uh, There's this thing in psychosis called clang associations

where people who are psychotics start to associate the sound of a word, like the phonetics of it with the meaning. So they'll be like, I was out for a walk, talk, we should talk, you know, and then they kind of go down these, you know, the brain is broken in some sense, right? And so they're following these nodes

that are not of reality at some level, or they're pseudo-random or hyper-random. And so clang associations often show up in like the health and wellness thing where these are hard to think but where someone will say, yeah, you know, I, where people do it visually, they'll be like, oh, yeah, you know, walnuts are really high

in this particular fatty acid, it's good for your brain, and it looks like a brain. Yeah, and that's why it's good for your brain, and you go, that's a visual clang association. That's psychotic. It's like numerology. No, it's true that the fatty acid and walnuts might have some brain benefits.

But it's not like this is a, yeah. But it's not because it's not in the shape of a brain because of that. So humans love to do these things. There's something called paradelia, which is like people look at clouds, and be like, oh, my God, it looks like a puppy dog or something. But some people take that into the world, right? They can be great artists, but they always can be effing crazy.

How do they take that into the world? Well, some people will take that into the world and they'll, you know, they'll see something and they'll go, oh, you know, that window is like a matrix that matches something I hobby for. And there's like a, this is like a portal to that other thing. And you can't really argue with their logic because they can usually do the simple math of it, but it doesn't, it doesn't square with like a functional life. And if you go down and if you hop on their thing, like, you're aft, like you're not getting anything done that day, right?

Even in psychedelic journeys, like this is what's interesting, I think, about some of the real psychedelics like psilocybin and LSD, there is this weird thing about them, which is it's not really psychosis. There seems to be some real structure about the unconscious mind revealed in those drugs. And, you know, that's why people always use the thing, the guy who developed paucson, polymer's chain reaction, which you can use to amplify DNA, which is used for everything from, you know, forensics to, you know, genealogy, all sorts of things, you know, evaluating embryos, you know, seeing if kids are going to be healthy, all that stuff.

Supposedly that guy came to the logic of that on an LSD trip. Now, he also did a lot of really hardcore science. He knew his math, like he really, he understood. But there does seem to be some, like, real core structure of the way that the world is built and the way that the mind is built that can be revealed, you know, with proper support in psychedelics.

But people were just walking around, like making these, you know, clang associations. You find them at a low, you hear a lot of this in L.A., like within the health and wellness thing, and people would be like, they sort of associate in the shape of things

with how good they are for you or they'll, some verbal, like, a little, like, pun, they'll think is real. It's a bunch of horseshit. It's like, it's not quite psychosis, but it's kind of, like, veering there. Have you experimented with...

And so Alex Jones. I'm not calling him psychotic. I know what you're like, let's take two things. DMT and neck size. And you go like, like, it sounds so awesome. Listen, I would be the first person open to it. I would be totally open to it if there was any kind of like circuit. You know, we've dissected a lot of human bodies over the years, like the medical and science community.

Like, so if there's a basis for it, like, I would be totally interested. I think the chakras are really interesting as like convergent centers for, you know, for nerves and vessels that might have some real basis. So I don't think it's totally cuckoo, but he seems to be really good at like merging themes to create interesting stories. And here we are talking about it. Have you ever seen the website for spurious correlations? No, but that's what this sounds like. Fucking unbelievable. So this is basically mapping two things onto a graph that seems like they're correlated, but can't be.

I swear the number of films that Nicholas Cage was in and the number of people that die by eating cheese per year is the same. Okay. Right. That's awesome. Annual U.S. household spending on alcoholic beverages correlates with the number of septic tank services and sewer pipe cleaners in New Hampshire. I love this.

Yeah, exactly. Go down. Go down. The popularity of the call me maybe meme and the kerosene use in Panama. Like almost one to one. Whoa. Right. Like Google searches for that is suss and a stock price for this fucking random company.

Love it. But the question is, were these pulled together at random? them or did they or did they, you know, they search for common curve? This guy, this Tyler Vigin, Tyler Vigin guy, like, he literally tries to find things that are just correlated. And this website is filled. There's thousands of them. Like, how nerdy Tom Scott's YouTube titles are and the number of movies that Milacunas appeared in.

Damn. Like, yeah. Chipotle Mexican girls. So good. It's so good. Ticket sales for the Houston. If you showed this to somebody that was psychotic, they would be fucking flipping out. Well, this is all.

the sort of stuff of conspiracy theories. Google searches for why do I have green poop and solar power generated in Bulgaria. Motor vehicle Johnny Depp. Yeah. Number of movies. Johnny Depp appeared in

and a season wins. All right. Part of the Caribbean coming out. With Johnny Depp? I believe so. Nice. I might have heard that from a very reputable source. Yeah. Is it Johnny? No. Are you friends with Johnny? No, never met him. Oh.

It's going to be a fat check for Johnny, dude. You know, I think his comeback. People are eagerly awaiting. Wilding back. Yeah. I mean... What do you reckon he got paid? I think he has...

For the movie? For the new pirates? Yeah. It's going to be... It's going to be a sizable guarantee, and he's going to have a massive piece of the back end. Because it's not makeable. You can't do it without it.

Yeah, yeah. So the piece of the back end is going to be stupid. What's piece of the back end? Well, that points. He's going to have a percentage probably from maybe if he has the best deal, it's going to be like $1. gross percentage, which is like the moment somebody buys a ticket, he gets a piece of that. And that could be a billion dollar box office thing. So he could be getting, I mean, if it's as big as we

would anticipate, nine figures for doing a movie. That's like the Jordan. That's a comeback. Yeah, it's a while. It's a comeback. I wonder if he'll compensate for what he lost, got from the trial, and then gets from this, whether or not, you know, if you look financially. Yeah, well, emotionally. Well, he's also famously a loose. spender, you know? Oh, really? Oh, you never read that article? No.

It was fucking amazing, dude. About his spending habits? Yeah, yeah. It was a Rolling Stone article that it was like a 20-page thing about, like, how he spends. And it was, I mean, it's just, like, fascinating because he was spent, like, he obviously can, at the time, you know, generate crazy income, but he would spend wild. So, like, if he liked a car, he would be like, I like this car, and I have eight houses. I want one of each of these cars at the eight houses.

He was spending like 30 or 40 grand a month on wine, like every month. It was just multiples of everything. I think I heard about the wine in the trial. Yeah. He called it a megapoint. Yeah. And then like, I don't know, there was a thing with the business manager. He was like, they're like, you're behind on taxes and payments to us.

But then he would like do a movie. So then revenue would come in and then, you know, but it was. It was like Floyd Mayweather. It was massive spending. It was a massive spending. It was a crazy. It was a crazy article. Almost all of Depp's reported $650 million fortune is gone according to Rolling Stone.

Mike Tyson levels of accrual and loss. Yeah. That's fucking serious. There is something nice about that of just getting to spend all $650 million. Well, what's interesting is... Hang on, hang on, Depp reportedly spent $75 million on more than a dozen residences, $3 million to shoot the ashes of his friend, Hunter S. Thompson, into the air from a cannon. That's pretty gangster.

And $7,000 to buy his daughter a couch from the set of keeping up with the Kardashian. Okay, that's, that's, I don't know. That's fucking insane. Yeah, that's pretty wild, man. I love it. I mean, it's a, it's a fun read too. Also, he's been famous in such a young age. It's amazing.

He's, he's as sane as he is, you know, and I don't know him, and I'm assuming he's sane. But, you know, earlier we were talking about, you know, sort of like how different it is now. Like, can you imagine growing up where you see yourself on a screen and on the internet? Like, you know, I didn't see myself on a screen until, like, 45 years old. Your brains had mostly developed, right? For better or worse. But, like, as a kid, like, and then you're making money for it, and then you're just out there. It's wild.

And he was like that as, like, 19, you know. Yeah, they claim that's kind of what killed Elvis. He was, like, one of the first people ever to have his image projected pretty much all across the world on, like, television. What got to be a mind? Elvis, they claim that, like, he was one of the first people to have, like, a massively popular visual, like a doppelgagger, basically. And you have to like watch yourself and millions of people are watching you. They said that kind of just like arranging. Yeah.

When I saw that movie, I forget what the movie was called about his manager and the whole thing. I swear, you know, if there wasn't a better case for circadian health than that film because, you know, it's like the darkness of the hotel and he's in there all day and like he went wacko. If you want to make someone, there's this thing called ICU psychosis where people come into the intensive care unit and they're being woken up in the middle of the night and they've got lights on. you know, there's like hospital life, right? And they start to become genuinely psychotic. They go home to psychosis lifts. This is a well-known phenomenon because their circadian rhythm is so out of whack.

You have enough fractured sleep like that for enough time. Like, you will lose your mind. What's the longest someone's ever stayed awake, do you know? Oh, I forget. Someone's like some radio DJ did this in the 70s or something. It's like a fundraiser. Of course. And it was like, and when we looked this up,

but I think six days or seven days, I mean, eventually you die. right? Yeah. Because there's so much inflammation. Now we know it would be kind of catastrophic levels of inflammation. I mean, during sleep, the whole reset of the body is like tamping down inflammation, coordinating the different organs of your body, like getting them back and checking.

Like, oh, like your, you know, your liver and your stomach. They're working on different timescales, but they need to be like kind of nudged into place, like an orchestra. I don't know. So, yeah, things really fall apart. Here. Randy Gardner, here we go. 11 days and 12 days.

25. Wow. The record is set by Randy Gardner, a 17-year-old high school student in California as part of a science fair experiment. Researchers monitored him throughout, and it was 11 days, 25 minutes, which is 264 hours. Interestingly, after finally sleeping, he recovered surprisingly well with no obvious long-term damage report at the time. Well, he was young. It definitely helps when you're young. Yeah. What's the longest that you guys have ever stayed awake? I mean, several days. Really? Yeah, several days. Yeah, I can't. Any stimulants besides. caffeine? No, no. This is a safe space. Yeah, no, no, no.

Was it at a meth potty? No, I just, I was, there was also travel involved. Yeah, you know, and yeah, stayed up and no nap, you feel real, just real pushing through. Yeah, I've pushed through a few times. I had this thing in college where I just started being like one day a week, I'll just stay up all night and work at night. I was going to deliver it for like insomnia cookies. I'll just, I'll stay up 24 hours, go to school,

then work the other 12. If I stay up all night, one night a week, I'll be fine. It just shattered me in like a week and a half. And I was like, all right, I can't do this. Stupid idea. Yeah, it's brutal. It really, these days I'm so much more sensitive to it. Yeah, as you get older, you need the regularity.

You also get the experience of how much better it feels when you actually get asleep. Oh my God. Yeah. Why is it that you're less tolerant to fucking with you sleep when you're 45 than when you were 25? Just global levels of inflammation as you get older. Just inflammation increases. Yeah. You know, sort of the amplitude of inflammation on the,

the circadian cycle. Like if it looks like this, when you're young, it starts to look like this, then you sleep deprivation. I'm making, many of those, but like as a sort of like top contour plot, you'd be like it's really amplified. And you're like inflammation, kind of like cortisol, right?

You meant to have this big cortisol peak in the morning and that subsides, that's super healthy. That's the healthy pattern. But if you start staying awake, it starts getting jagged line, you know, and how long have you stayed awake? Day and a half probably is the most. I've struggled to say,

sleep on planes and when I was always I'd like go to Bali and stuff like that overnight and then you arrive there and you're all excited like yeah it's the middle of the afternoon fuck it I'm going to start drink I'll go out and party with me friends do stuff probably about a day and a half I guess but like maybe maybe two yeah I just no way

I've done 48 hours there's no way yeah I can do one night because you wouldn't ever do 48 unless you change time zones a lot right you would only ever do 36 right or whatever the fucking next one is doing on plane is tough I mean like when you talk to the guys that do buds and stuff they're like they will tell you They get the opportunity at one point to take like a 30 minute nap and some of them just opt out because it's harder than if you just keep moving. I don't know if that's true.

Have you seen a backyard ultras? Have you seen this? Oh, yeah. So this is. Last man standing. Yes. So Nick Baer does. Yeah, yeah.

There's that guy, Chad, former seal guy, long red beard. Chad Wright. Did he win? I think he does these last man standing things. Are you seeing these? No. Do you know this? He's a legit badass.

They guy will run your ass to death. You do 4.1 miles. Every hour you have to complete, I think it's four miles, and there's a loop. And by the time that the bell rings for the beginning of the next hour, you have to have completed the loop. And if not, you're out. And they just go until everyone quits, right? So just how far, like, sorry, yeah, there it is, 4.17 miles or 6.7K. Until you drop.

What's the winner? How many does the winner? Dude, the guy just did that bare one. It was like two days. Yeah. He was running for two days. It was, wasn't it like 100 and some, like some crazy amount of mile? Like, I think it was 200 miles.

200 miles. Yeah, more than 200 miles. But these guys just fucking, they just keep going. And then they're grabbing short bits of sleep. And obviously it's a tradeoff, right? The thing is, yeah, run fast, you get more tired. Yeah. You have a break.

You have like a. So you can take a little nap. You go, if you completed it in, let's say, 30 minutes, you have 30 minutes to spend how you want, right? But then you've just done four. miles in 30 minutes, which is more tiring than four miles in 45 minutes. I think most people, it seems like, do like 45 minutes-ish of movement and then 15 minutes of recovery and then go again. It seems like the recent backyard Ultra, Phil Gore ran 114 laps of the backyard ultra format, 475 miles over nearly five straight days. And he went to 496. He nearly did 500 miles.

That's crazy. I don't know. Yeah, that's some four. I would do one and then eat and then stop. That's a good workout. Yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah. I've never run a marathon. I'm sort of tempted, but not really. Are you?

You're not built for a marathon, dude. I ran cross-country in high school. I was a lot lighter. Yeah, you were about half the size. I was probably 100 pounds lighter. No, no, no, no, I was about 75 pounds lighter. Yeah. I'm like 22.

You do any running, you do some running now. Thanks. How old are you? You're fucking in. We already did this. I'm saying I'm going to do a marathon On Sunday I do a long slow run Like in you know

I'll maybe do like six miles So I'll go okay I used to do more I used to go further Like eight or ten when I was lighter Right I'll do a long run Then midweek I do a 30 minute run At a faster clip

And then one day a week I either get on the aerodyne bike And you know do some sprint intervals Or I'll do some running sprint intervals And then I lift three days a week But you're actually like thinking about doing a marathon Yeah you know

every once in a while, someone will be like, hey, there's a half marathon and, like, outside of Aspen which is beautiful and you can, like, crest into the town and we could, you know, and I'm like, that sounds kind of cool. Thirteen miles seems, you know, like doable. Like Mark Bell, he's a big dude. Yeah. I mean,

Mark Bell's denser than dark matter. Yeah. I'm not talking about your brain, Mark. He's a smart guy. Um, but he has like the highest muscle density ever. It's insane. When he moves, it's like, everything twitches. Like one of those Belgian blue bowls. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And so

he's, he's, he's, and so he's, he's, He's run marathons. Yeah, yeah. He's constantly, you know. Well, what's crazy is he used to be, like, highly competitive power lifter and was like 320 pounds. And then now he just shrunk all the way down, but he's still like that muscle is crazy. I think he's bench pressed a thousand pounds.

I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. He squatted a thousand. Squatted a thousand. I don't know. Can we look at Mark Bell's best bench? I mean, he was genuinely fat, too. Yeah.

But. Huge. Very, very fat. I wonder. Maybe it was 700 pounds. I don't know. In any case. It's nuts.

He was also doing the snake diet recently. he was really like, what the fuck is that? Do you know about this? Yeah. Where you just do sugar all day long, low protein? So there's this weird thing, right?

And there are all these crazy theories. I want to just disclaimer, I don't necessarily believe the mechanism. Sure. But there's this idea that when you are low protein high sugar, you generate this fibroblast growth factor, one of these FGFs, that then converts into a bunch of energy. And this is why kids have tons of,

the theory is this is why kids have tons of energy. And so he was doing this diet of just like fruit and candy and low protein carbs all day and then like a chicken breast at night and he claimed he got like super super shredded on this at tons of energy I tried it for like half a morning and I'm like I want my eggs

I want my protein drink I'm not doing this Was he not carnivore for a while? Sorry, 854 pounds I apologize I misspoke not a thousand pounds but not that far But he said two thousand pound total and he's hit a thousand pound squat Which is fucking huge

That makes sense Nobody's bench pressing a thousand pounds Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Was he not the fucking carnivore guy for a long time? Yeah, and he and his brother were... And he's now the sugar-maxing guy. Basically. But he also got shredded on both diets.

Yeah, he likes to experiment with... He likes to experiment things. I don't know. He's great guy. He and Naseema are like a really important corner of the health and fitness world, in my opinion. Because I do genuinely believe that Nesima is natural. Like, he just has like wild genetics, he trains really, really hard. And he's black.

Does that have anything to do with it? He definitely has the builds of a guy that could not be white and natural. Like, do you know anyone that's white and natural that's built like that? Yeah, I mean, Naseema's not white. I agree with you on that. Correct. I'm not trying to be politically correct.

I don't know. I don't know. It hadn't occurred to me that it was related to. I think that's an enhancer when you get to that level of performance. We have to get Nassima on here. I'm not trying to dance around. I don't know. But he's a he's fucking amazing

But Mark is always doing these experiments Like he's into like the The David Weck rope flow And he like takes it to the extreme He does it like every day He talks about it nonstop Then he does the snake diet Which is the sugar thing

And he's doing competitive kettleball Swinin I love it because he's willing to do this stuff And he's checked off the boxes of Like he's really good at the stuff That he puts his mind to Big neck as well I bet he's got loads of DMT

And he's also not selling you a damn thing Yeah And so he's just like You know we need guys like him, you know, and he's very open about his steroid use. He has been for a long time. Hang on, I thought you said he was natural. Oh, no, Nesema. Right, right, right, right, right. Martin Bell has been natural since it was whatever. Yeah, fourth grade. What's the truth about the marshmallow test? Because I keep on seeing this being debunked and rebunked and then you tweeted

about it. Yeah, so this was done at Stanford, right? Everyone's heard about it. Yeah, yeah. kids in front of a marshmallow, if they can wait, they get a second marshmallow. The kids that could wait, the original data said that correlated with better life outcomes, better SAT scores, better schools, better income, you know, the kids who couldn't wait, more incarceration. Impulsive. That was the idea. Those data propagated widely, and those conclusions propagated widely. I should be, not the data. The conclusions propagated widely. Then there was the criticism. Who did the original study? Was it right? So was that Bing, I think it was at Bing nursery school, at Stanford or somewhere in Escondido Village.

Same place at the drawing incentive, extrinsic motivation stuff was done. In any case, then there was the critique of that which said, well, whether or not these kids waited or not depended on how much they trusted the experimenter, which is also true. If the experimenter was someone that they knew and trusted,

then they went, well, they probably will bring the second marshal. Here's what they act. So I just had a guest on my podcast, which is a guy from Ohio State. He studies self-control motivation. He knows this literature better than anybody. and he studies it in his own lab, Dr. Kentaro Fujita.

Fujita, he told me as the correct pronunciation. Excuse me, Japanese listeners. So, turns out the way the experiment was done is every kid got a marshmallow in front of them, a timer was set for 15 minutes, every kid ate the marshmallow. Nobody talks about this. No kid waited for the second marshmallow,

but they were able to see how long they were able to wait before they got the second marshmallow. So some kids were like, and the videos are really cute because sometimes the kids would like, they have these tags where they're like, they're like looking at it or they'd be like, you know, and they're like thinking about it.

But every kid, no kid made it 15 minutes, which is interesting. We never hear that. If you look at the data that way, it turns out that even if you factor in the critique and you look at the repetition of that study, it turns out that this self-control delayed gratification thing

does seem to hold up over time. You can, but you can build it out. You can develop this. How old were these kids? Do you remember? I forget. Maybe,

were they like five? Five, six. I don't know. We look at, but... How good are your kids at fucking not eating a marshmallow that's in front of them for 15 minutes? One could definitely do it. The competitive one, 100%.

Yeah. 100%. He has incredible, like, self-discipline and restraint. You tell him some of the kid weighed two days. He's waiting three. Oh, dude, yeah, for real. And the other one would be like, oh, just immediately. Right.

He'd be like, it's just gone. I don't know where it went. I did it with my oldest kid. I actually did the marshmallow experiment. You're kidding. But I was like, don't eat that. Because I was like, if you eat that, you're fucked. Just please.

eat that marshmallow. She was like, all right. You scared this shit at her. Disappoint me. The rest of your life hinges on how long it takes you to eat this marshmallow. You have no idea what's at stake. I mean, I feel like now more than ever,

child or adult, so much of life is basically what you decide not to do. Like, just don't stay on social media too long. Like, go there and use it, but don't stay on to there too long. Don't watch too much porn in your case. You know, I feel like you've got it in a good.

good place. I did. I swear you got it finally, finally after years. It was a problem. Yeah, it was for me it was like, um, it was never like a massive problem, but it just like there's like an intuitive feeling afterwards where I'd just be like, it's not what I want to be doing. And then it's like just come on, man, you can do this. And then finally I'm like, all right, I don't want this anymore. It just feels bad. It's like the people making them, there's no way you're telling me the majority or even close to the majority of the women making porn or having like a nice life. You're like, I think you're feeding off like a really sinister thing. So for you, it was, it was guilt and shame around how, um, other people are exploited

for your pleasure ultimately. And squishy 40-year-old boners after the fact. Yeah. That, that, it all congealed. And I was like, there we go. But yes, that was part of it. You want to hear something really embarrassing? You want to hear something really embarrassing?

So I'm not an actor. I've never been in any kind of thing like that. I tried to play when I was kid. I ended up doing crew, like, like, kind of curtain and stuff like that. But recently someone wrote to me and they were like, hey, you're in episode, a one and two of season two of beef. We signed the release form for that. Yeah. So you're in it too?

No, because it's, we fucking signed the release form for this, right? Wow. So I go to it. It's from our podcast. And they give me the timestamp and I go to it. I thought I got punk because in both cases, it's a dude jerking off to porn, then cleaning up his computer and his hands. And then he goes out for a run listening to my podcast. So this is how about dopamine.

So this is how this guy gets over the guilt of masturbation. This is into my voice. So I was like, you know, I was all excited. I was going to like send it to my mom. I was going to take my sister. And I see this thing. And I was like, all right. And then I asked my team, I'm like, did we approve this?

And they're like, yeah, we approved it. I'm like, yeah, you approved it. Yeah. But anyway, it's interesting. One of the clips is from our episode. Awesome. So Rob, I think. Your manager Rob and us were like, yeah, sure, we'll sign it off.

And you didn't know about it. Nice. And this is one. why you have male friends. Exactly. Way to go. But yeah, that's it. It's kind of you finish and you're like,

this isn't what I need to be doing. Especially once you have kids, then you're like, dude, I really can't do this in my house. If you get busted by a kid, it's over. You don't really want them knowing. And it can happen. And you don't want them knowing you did this.

So it's great that you're talking about this on the internet. Hey, man. I've never even thought about this. The fact that all of your fear as a kid was being walked in on by your mom or dad, but all of your fear as a parent is being walked in on by your kid. A thousand percent. Oh, my God.

The trauma gets so much deeper. Way worse. Yeah, it'd be horrible. So that was the one I was like, that's a good insight. No more. You're going to make a great parent. Yeah, yeah.

You will make a great parent. I can't wait to be a dad. You'll make your great parent. What about, okay, the other thing that I've kept on thinking about that I've never asked to you, sunscreen. Is it killing us or not? No, it's not killing us. Is it bad for it?

Should we, am I embedded to nodding? players again, right? A couple of things to know. Sun. Yeah, I won't do the whole podcast. This rabbit holes fucking, this is like Alex Jones shit. You need sunlight. Not just for vitamin D.

You want sunlight on your skin as much as possible in terms of days of your life that you can get it. That doesn't mean as much sunlight as possible. Why? UV light, right, short wavelength light, can damage the DNA in your skin cells. Yes, it can cause problems. You need a lot of it. So in order for that to happen. Here's the interesting thing.

The UV index is low when the sun is low in the sky. Very easy to remember. So early day and later day, UV index is low. How do you know it's low? Well, you can look on an app. You can Google it or whatever, chat GPT it. But if you can look at the sun and it's not painful to look at,

typically that's because the sun is lower in the sky. There's something called relay scattering and a lot of the UV gets filtered out. Okay. So getting some sunlight in your eyes, as everyone's heard me say a million times before, but also on your skin in the early part of the day. if you can in the later part of the day, great.

In the middle of the day, the UV index is very high. So if you have pale skin that can burn easily, you want to be careful how much exposure you get at that time. Now, sunscreen. Okay, excuse me, shielding from the sun can be accomplished by physical barrier, right? But there's stuff in the sun that's not sure wavelength light,

which is the reds and the ultraviolet and the near-infrared stuff. Excuse me, cut that. There's also wavelengths of light. This is my area, so we don't, you know, keep it in. Fuck it. You know, we make mistakes sometimes. I've made mistakes before.

God forbid, I would misspeak. All right. There are longer wavelengths of light in the sun. So the yellows, the oranges, the reds, the near infrared, and the infrared, which you can't see. That's the heat from the sun. And that stuff is really important for the mitochondria of your cells. And it actually can go through your body. This was demonstrated by my friend Glenn Jeffrey from University College, London.

even if you have a t-shirt. That's the good stuff. Think of this like the high-quality protein of sunlight. So you want that long wavelength light. It's not present in LEDs, okay? It's present in some incandescent bulbs. It's present in candlelight and firelight. It's present in sunlight.

So you want that stuff. So you don't want to completely shield yourself from the sun, but if you're wearing a light t-shirt like that or like that, some of that's going to get through and into your body. But if, you know, if it's appropriate for where you're at, you take off your shirt and get more of your skin, that's great to do as long as you don't burn. sunscreen typically blocks the UV, okay?

And there's sunscreen and sunblock, and it gets kind of nuanced. But if you are worried about the endocrine disruptors, or you're worried about the coral reefs, right, and the disruption to the oceans that are caused by sunscreens if you're swimming in the ocean, it's very simple. Just use a mineral-based sunscreen, mineral only, so zinc oxide only. Now, a lot of people in particular, women don't like it because it doesn't tend to rub in as well, but there's some versions that do. And that works just fine. But this idea that you need to completely shield from the sun all the time, except for people who have, like, genetic abnormalities that require that. It's complete bullshit.

What about the endocrine disruptors? Is that true? Well, those are mostly in the chemical-based sunscreens, right? But that's what everyone's using. The spray ones, the benzene-based ones, those are very problematic. Now, could you use them once in a while and it's not a problem? Sure, but if your kids are at the pool all day and you're getting this stuff on... I mean, kids' skin is, young skin is also much more absorbent than older skin.

So the simple takeaway is try not to get burned. get some sunlight on your skin as much as you can each day. It doesn't mean you have to get completely naked. You know, you can thin clothing can do it. But that longer wavelength light is the red light, the best red light therapy in the world. And then ultimately it's the balance between the longer wavelengths

and the shorter wavelengths. And that gets into a discussion about like, are LED lights bad? Well, they're not really bad, but they're really blue shifted. And they're really short wavelength shifted. And it's not just about disrupting your circadian rhythm. If you're going to be indoors a lot,

you want to try and get more of that long wavelength light. You could get it from red light therapy. You could get it from using incandescent bulbs. And the best thing would be get sunlight on you. And that whole thing around LEDs may be causing problems for mitochondria, which is what the short wavelengths light can do, independent of the effects on sleep, was considered kind of crazy quack science until Glenn Jeffries' lab started looking at this.

And Nature magazine, which is a legitimate scientific publication, they've been around more than, you know, 100 and something. years on the serious science only, although there's some, you know, there's some horseshit papers are published there, but usually gets corrected over time. They published a review recently which said, yeah, like, yeah, you can see what you want is that balanced spectrum of long wavelength, medium wavelength, and short wavelength light, but not getting burned. And the best source of that is this thing that we call the sun. So, and if you really want to enhance the effect, you get outside where there's a lot of greenery because some of that infrared light actually reflects off the

greenery. So this whole thing of spending time outside and in nature, Great. And even on overcast days, some of that comes through. So forgive the long kind of thing. And yes, I said UV on the long way. It's a short wavelength light. And, you know. You want to hear a cool sun fact? I just, I just researched the sun the other day. I did. I had Shane left, so I had to do a podcast. I'll just do outer space and I just talked about outer space.

So the hydrogen fusion, whatever that happens in the sun's core, that releases gamma rays, which if they went through, they'll just like literally sever your DNA, they'll kill you. They bounce around in the sun's core. That original light that's,

you know, originated in that reaction bounces around the core for like 17,000 to 100,000 years in the core. Then it gets to the surface. and shoots out in like eight seconds. If that, and no one knows like what's going on in there, but if it didn't do it, we would just die. You just get drowned in gamma rays and just be dead.

If you ever want to, it's amazing. If you ever want to just trip out, you just look at wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation and sources and damage. Like x-rays are damaging. We know this, right? You don't want too many of them. Microwaves, right?

You know, move, you know, heat things up from the inside, basically. So, and it's really cool just kind of think about this. And then people go, oh, like, you know, is Bluetooth bad? I actually use corded headphones because I lose, the stupid AirPods. But microwaves. Question. Do you stand in front of the microwave

when it's going on? Yeah, interesting. We're completely relying on the shield. Yeah. The literal see-through piece of... Yeah, yeah. We have a lot of trust. The other thing that we completely trust,

I always trip out on this stuff, is like when the elevator door is closing. Yeah. And it's going to go up or down. And that door is like huge. Yeah. And people go to let somebody on. Think about it.

It didn't stop down. I know. And you're just like, It didn't have, but we trust it. We trust it. We trust it. I always get kind of, like, I always had kind of a, like, spooked out with the microwave going. Like, you know what I mean? Like, even, like, I just always stand off to the side.

Or scared out to one side. Have you ever seen people that have got fears of escalators trying to get on? Oh, yeah. The videos of that? Yeah. Yeah. And they're, like, just terrified of the fact that it's, and it's moving it, you know. Some people get really scared.

Two or three miles and out. Not even one that's going up. Like a travelator, you know, at the airport. and like holding on to the side. Sometimes it's an entire family. It's an entire family. And there's like a queue of people behind them like to fucking escalate. I was at the airport and there was like a mom and she was there.

She had like a little kid that was like three or four. And the mom got on with all of her luggage. It was this big, you know, tall, steep escalator. And she started going down. She turned around. Her kid was like, yeah, right. I'm not going down. And I just looked at her and I was like, you know, we just put this kid on here.

And she was just like, yeah, she didn't speak English. I mean, just give it up. Just grab the kid and was like, come on, man, get on there. and just set him down to his mom. But yeah, it was, she was like, oh, no, how am I going to get back up there? When she need to run up and escalated, it's going down? She had two big suitcases. She couldn't, she wouldn't have been able to do it.

It's like, fucking gladiated. Yeah. My travel days are like rucking days. I got this big bag I carry with all my supplements, you know, like weighed down. And then if there's a big staircase, I swear I'm the only person ever on the staircase. You feel powerful on it. I just like getting the work. And I don't like arriving in, you know, sweaty. But, you know, it's, you know, there's something they have showers.

That is the workload equivalent of you not fapping. over a weekend when you're in a hotel. You're like, I did the hard thing. Like, I did the hard version of this. I'll do the steps too. I'll grab my suitcase and be like, pussies. I get the steps real hard.

Yeah, but then you're in your room jagging off 10 minutes later. I've got places to be, yeah. I'm not giving you a hard time. No, dude, I'm... I appreciate your vulnerability and your openness about this, you know? Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, man. Boys, I appreciate you all. Thank you for joining. Tom, your thing... Oh, that's a fine word. Your thing came out yesterday. Yeah, what is it? No, uh, yes.

Bad Thought Season 2 is on Netflix. Yes, it's on Netflix. It was a... Is there a lot of poop in this one, too? No, there's no poop. Oh, thank goodness. Did you have a problem with the poop? I'm not so comfortable with the poop.

It was a bold choice. It was the first episode of the season to go with poop. But, you know, we learned. We changed. There's a whole bunch of different stories. They're all super fucked up again. But, yeah. Just Garth Brooks show up in this one, too?

No, we're done with him. And the poop? We have new targets and new fucked up stories. but yeah, it was, it was a blast to make. And yeah, I'm super excited about it. It's streaming on Netflix. Please check it out now. Out now.

Are you on tour? Yeah, I went to. I have my, actually this weekend. I don't know when this is coming out, but I'll be in Toronto Friday and the 15th, and then 16th, I'll be in Chicago. And then you've got a book that comes out. A book, protocols, user manual for the human brain and body. And it's out for presale.

It comes out in September, finally. And yeah, you know, I always say, if nothing cures insomnia, you know, this book will do it. I'm going to go rub one out right now. Yeah. It's unreal. Thanks for our hosting as Chris.

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