Monday Morning Podcast - TAMMP 3-1-18 w. Kenny Aronoff

Episode Date: March 1, 2018

Bill sits down with legendary drummer Kenny Aronoff.

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Very special guest here, this is a guy I've been a fan of since, I don't know, like the first time I saw him, 82 or 83 Please welcome drumming legend, Mr. Kenny Aronoff Yeah man What's going on dude? It's so cool to see you, because the first time I saw you was a buddy of mine in Chicago Said you gotta see this guy I went, can I swear on this show? Yeah, yeah, yeah

Oh Jesus, yes I said, oh my god, this fuck is from Massachusetts or something Yeah, I didn't know, I always thought you were a New York guy, I didn't know you were Massachusetts So my mom grew up in the Bronx, because I grew up in Exit 2, which we were talking about in Stockbridge For some reason, I adapted that New York thing Yeah It was not that Pocky Con, it was like Motherfucker, you know like the But that's a weird part of Massachusetts, he's talking Exit 2 on the mass pike where I was telling you

I had one of the worst gigs in Lee, Massachusetts, starting out leaving their people throwing shit I mean, yeah They were just, they were bored is what I thought and they just weren't looking for someone to beat the shit out of And I looked like Ron Howard, so that was going to be an easy night for them You showed them that you were fucking kung fu guy No, I didn't, I just remember standing up there and so bad wanting to say something I knew all they wanted me to do was just say that one thing And they were like, because they had this look on their face like come on, come on freckles, say it

And I was just like, I am going to get like curbs stomped So I didn't say shit and I got paid and they were like following me around like this group And they threw this dinner roll at me, they missed And it was weird, it was like this weird, I've told this story before, it was like this function room And next door to it was another function room, it was part of this restaurant And then the other room was like a bachelor party And there was no closed door and they just saw me standing there bombing in this restaurant And I just became this entertainment thing

And Was it downtown Lee? Is there a downtown? Yeah, it's the one stop No, it was, I remember it was like, I remember pulling out of there and it was just like this Remind me of that bar that they went to in Porkies, remember that? There was just in the middle of the fucking woods, it was like that I'm sure it's all developed now, but I remember when I finally pulled out my little piece of shit ranger

I had my head out the window like Ace Fincher going Fuck yeah, you fucking cunt And they were just laughing Yeah, I probably took, you know, five years off my life that night So anyways, but that's a weird part of Massachusetts where there's like, there's Patriots fans and Giants fans You start to get into that 20 minutes from the border of New York From the border, yeah, so there's Yankee fans and Red Sox fans

It's kind of like Connecticut, like, you know, sort of halfway through You start getting out that way like who do you root for So I guess, I don't know, but your parents, you said your mom was from the Bronx She was from the Bronx and my dad was from Patterson, New Jersey And then they all kind of lived in New York for a while And then they, my dad got He was studying paper and chemistry So in Lee, there was a mill there

All these little mills up there in New England On the river and he worked for a division of Kimberley Clark I hope they pour shit in the drinking water out there After that gig, now I'm kidding Dude, we used to say, man, if you're in a boat and you fall into that river It's acid will burn you alive I know, they just used to It stunk in the summer, it was so bad

They just dumped chemicals in there Just wash it out They don't do shit like that anymore, do they? No, no, not at all, not at all It's all good water, that's why we got the tap water The earth, I know And the air, I know That's what's so fucked up about all this shit that people are always talking about on social media

It's this big goddamn deal, like fat shaming and all of this shit It's like, dude, those problems are so down the fucking line As far as what is going on right now The air, or water All of that, yeah, all this shit you need There's some place in Africa and one month they're going to run out of water, period I can't listen to it, I can't listen to it Because there's no fucking solution, no one pays attention

And then if you try to address it Conservatives claim liberals and liberals bring conservatives And then they just keep plowing ahead They don't want to hear what I'm going to say What are you going to say? I don't know, I don't know No, I'm pretty strong about, like, you know People are fucking still and they're like little kindergarteners still

I don't care how old you are I don't think the world is evolving at all Maybe with technology But it's the same shit everyone's, I cannot believe Like who gives a fuck about that and who gives a fuck about that Are you really that uptight about that? Holy shit No, I know what you mean Or like, you know, some big issues that they won't mention where they're squabbling

Dude, just make a little adjustment So this is the thing, now you have to dance around Because you have some big issues that I'm not going to remember, you're upset about this And I know every issue that you're fucking talking about But you can't bring it up because then you have like, you know You have 80 soccer moms And this is the thing, 80 soccer moms will actually make the news Because they're going to talk about that

Or whatever fucking reason So you got to What's going to make the news now? You got to dance between the raindrops Dude, we got to get some padding on this table Any sort of shifting of weight So anyway, check, so Oh man, I'm going to get my ass kicked right now

But I call, look, I grew up in western mass, super liberal Super democratic, you know You know, just everybody, just when they vote democratic all the way down It doesn't matter if it was Hitler, if he's a democratic It says on the Democratic side I'm just blown away I call them vicious liberals Oh yeah, I was living out here, I know, it's crazy

No, but people are so like, a real true liberal was my dad A liberal, my dad, you know, we grew up Jewish But my dad would listen to Hitler talk Just to see what he had to say Wouldn't yell at him, he would talk And then he'd tell Hitler that he was fucked in so many words But he would at least talk I mean, he like knew the guy or he's watching the tape

No, but I'm just saying He's talking to the TV He's a true liberal I was just thinking like That was the ultimate like fucking odd couple movie Were they like roommates in college or some shit? No, actually my dad was bombing Hitler Oh, he was

He was in Obama's, it's just leveled Hitler But my point is, my dad was a true liberal He would listen to anybody Didn't matter what it is But nowadays, it's like I call them vicious liberals, they're like They're more conservative and radical Totally are

A true liberal is somebody who listens And will at least Accept somebody else's opinion No matter how radical it is Liberal is your open mind Accept the fact that you have that opinion You'll listen to it and everything Right, but you know, this viciousness is like

It's like No, there's destroying careers If you had like, it's basically We're liberal, think what we think But if you don't, we're gonna go after your career And it's like, it's no different Than I remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks When they just expressed their opinion

About the current president And I remember, like, Fox News was saying Like, well, they have a right to state their opinion And we have a right to have, you know State our opinion, it's like You didn't state your opinion You stated your opinion You systematically tried to destroy their fucking ability

To earn a living That's not tit for tat No You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying That's sandbox stuff Everyone's still a bunch of little kids still How do we get on that?

I don't know What I wanted to talk, because I know Everybody always talks to you about drum And all that type of shit I don't know what What nobody doesn't talk to you about, dude I don't want to say how old you are I'm old

Okay, you're old How do you stay in the fucking shape you're in? You're shredded Well, you know, this is me kind of out of shape Because I'm so busy right now But you know what happened was At a certain point in my life And it was early

It was like when I was in Mellancamp I might have been 27 Coming out of a pretty wild time Party-wise, you know And suddenly I went This ain't right A thing clicked in my head And I'm not saying

I remember what party you were at And what you were looking at to be like I'm a part of this I can't judge this That's a five-year period, dude And it was the party of 19 Something to 19-something That party, you mean

It was like I was open for business Was it something that It was a feeling that was gradually Working at you Or just one night Just some boogie night shit happened You were just like Alright, I gotta stop this

Well, first of all The environment I was in Was just a bunch of kids in rock bands Partying and shit was available And you're drinking And then you're And I had abundance of energy So, you know, I just

If I drank too much I wake up and that sucks And then just go about my day But what happened was suddenly I just started My stomach started feeling like I couldn't When I was eating

I was like It wasn't digesting food real good I just beat myself up I wasn't taking care of myself And during that time I was always a jock I was a three-letter man Jock in high school

What'd you play? La Crosse Ski team And soccer East Coast shit You know And I ended up going to UMass For music

And my freshman year I was on the La Crosse team That was the number one La Crosse Number nine La Crosse team In the country Was that Amherst or Boston? Yeah, Amherst And I went there

There's a party school Yeah They used to have like When I was growing up Once a year somebody died at a party Southwest They'd jump off the building Or something

No, they would ride the elevators Oh They would ride the elevators And somebody every year Would fall down the fucking shaft Did you go there? I went to UMass I went everywhere

Yeah I went everywhere I went to UMass Boston Yeah NC State Emerson I remember

I was accepted at Northeastern, I think I can't remember I just sort of bounced around And I hated school Yeah I hated it I just wasn't

What in your thing? Yeah I just didn't give a I just wanted to get the fuck out of there And I wanted to have fun I wanted to play drums I wanted to joke around I wanted to drink

Like a normal kid, really Yeah, that's what I wanted to do And there was a few subjects That I would like Yeah Some history But not that fucking Old, old, old shit

Yeah And I'm sick Yeah, I had a purpose in college So it worked out But my Well, you went Hardcore classical I know

There was no school of rock Berkeley was still Mostly a jazz school See, in my family everybody Went to college So, you know But at that time It's like

I'll be a music major And I was self-taught drummer You know And there was this one kid In Stockwood Which was getting better And I was like Yeah, what are you doing?

Well, I'm taking lessons From this percussionist From the Boston Symphony Orchestra Arthur Press Lived in, you'll know Not Naya No, no, no It lived in

Newton Yeah So At the first time So I went Okay, I'm gonna take a lesson With this guy You know, just being a jock and all

And I had long hair down my shoulder So I was a hippie jock, you know So, and I was always playing in the bands I was, you know, always I was really popular in high school And I have a denicle twin brother So we both were in the bands Both on sports teams

It was like Both had long hair Yeah, heckle and jekyll Did you star in Lethal Weapon At any point That's all I'm thinking of You guys are the long blonde here Yeah

So I'm a I go down there I'll never forget I go down to Newton on a bus Greyhound bus from Lee That's it, from Lee But I was hungover

Because I had been hanging out with the Varsity football team Varsity soccer team And the cheerleaders The night before Drinking vodka on a mountain You know what it is Fire

Drinking vodka That's a good night Yep And didn't get laid But, you know I was hanging with those You know, two years in high school That's old of chick

Right You know what I mean? That's like big time Bigger tits Everything is more developed Bigger You know, so anyway Stakes are higher

Yeah So I get to Newton I'm like hung I was in the back Probably puking in the bus And I get there This is Arthur Press This is old school

He goes What's your name? This is Kenny Kenny what? Kenny Aronoff He says What have you prepared for me today? Oh, no

Yeah What have you put? Well, do you play mallets? I'm like What's mallets? He says Remember vibes I said

No I'm getting smaller and smaller This is old school guy Man, this guy is hardcore Then he goes Would you prepare a timpani piece? I said I don't play timpani

What do you play? I said Well, I play drum set Well, come on down here Let's see You play some drum set Puts on spinning wheels By Blood, Sweat and Tears

And I actually been jamming to that In my barn I had a barn in Western Mass And that's where we had all our rock bands My parents lived every We always had the rock bands rehearsing at my place So I had a barn And my parents loved it

Because they The kids were at home Even when we were smoking pot and drinking They just There we were, you know So I sit down in 30 minutes He rips me off the

Off the drum set And points to a rubber black pad Well, how did you feel that you were playing? You were always spinning wheels I'm gonna nail this I was feeling it I thought I was good But he didn't think so

So He puts me on the pad That basically he kicked my ass And that was a pivotal point in my life I'm like A lot of kids would have gone Fuck this, man I don't need you

I'm playing in a rock band I'm getting laid I'm having fun What do I need this fucking shit? But something Clicked that I have to say It's in my DNA That this is good for me

And I My dad bought me an old set of vibes For $300 from Carol's music in New York And now I had that Do you think your sports background Gave you that That made you not afraid of like Oh, new information

This guy's being hard on me Because this guy seems like a coach to me He was, totally a coach Yeah, you're walking in like the blue chip Prospect A I got this all down And then he just goes You don't know shit

Yeah, it was No, because back then You know what I mean The coaches back then were like Marine surgeons Back then there was no hand holding There was no coddling There was no entitlement

I know There was none of this lazy shit No, they look at athletes now Like they're all a bunch of date rapists And all this They were frat boys and all that And they totally lose Like the confidence that you get

From playing sports The ability to work with a group The ability to get your fucking ass kicked And lose and shake it off Like lose the quarter Win the next quarter Yeah, you learn all this great stuff But now it's just kind of

You know, it's sort of like the nerd time So like their perspective And they don't fucking play sports So their perspective of it is Is as fucked up to be fair As the jocks perspective of them You know Well, you know what

While they're sitting there Being entitled and waiting for shit to happen And pussy-footing around I'm gonna go over them And take what they're waiting for And I'm sorry No, that's how it works That's how it works

So I mean, back then You know, it's like My parents were really sensitive And cool But man, dude Get your ass up There was no No, you know

Handholding or entitlement I'm grateful that I just Sided with the teacher The teacher said Your kids acting like an asshole They would look at you And be like, what's your problem?

Stop acting like an asshole Instead of being like Well, you can't say that about my kid Exactly Take out their cell phone video And then the teacher has to apologize Because you're not raising your kid right And now you're dumping this douche

Off at school And they have to deal with Your bad parenting for six hours Yeah, exactly Thirty hours a fucking week I mean Teachers are grossly, grossly underpaid Oh, grossly underpaid

Why would you want to be a teacher? It's like you got not only You got everybody against you We're not now with all these Little fucking kids there And you do anything It seems they take out a camera And then they're automatically right

Dude, it's brutal, man I don't know We do sound like A bunch of old guys going Oh, my God, he's kids today But there is an element of like Geez You know what?

You know what I miss? Shaking it off Shaking off So check this out I really believe that people Should embrace their fear Their anger Embarrassment

Failure All that negative stuff I believe you should squeeze it Hug it, throw it away And get your fucking ass in gear And move forward What is some of your top like five Or whatever

Three, four, five most embarrassing moments That you had On your way up to becoming Dude, the worst was So I I know we keep getting all I find she studied classical music You gotta go to school

So I get into UMass Barely I get into UMass Barely But the guy He put up Like some Marimba music I never played Marimba

I played vibe Puts it up, I'm sight reading it And I suck I miss every note He takes it away No, give it back Is it Marimba? That's not the Lion Hampton thing

Is it? That's vibes Marimba's wooden, it's long Oh, okay And you learn classical Like violin music on it So that you can learn You know about harmony

And scales And you become Not just a drummer But you become a well-rounded musician So I didn't realize this But when I wrote Wrote my book

Sex, Thumbs, Drums I realized I really am A fighter-fight guy Not a fighter-flight guy That's DNA So anyway I demanded that music back And I just wouldn't give up

And that's He went I'm gonna love teaching this guy This guy wants to work So bomb lines It was this chick there Oh, so you bombed on that thing And he was just like

This isn't right for you And you No, he You're part of your When you audition for a school In classical music You have to perform on a snare drum You have a piece you prepare

And then he's gonna Want to ask you rudiments Technique and then sight-read Music Same with mallets You prepare a piece And he's gonna say Well, give me a C major scale

Give me a D minor scale Give me a play an arpeggio Give me an augmented chord And then And they give you a sheet What they're gonna test you on But then they put that music up That you've never seen

And you gotta play in rhythm And hit all the notes And I always sucked at that And by the time I graduated Indiana University I won a concerto competition Where I was Shit, I couldn't even play it

It's a violin concerto That I saw Itzhak Perlman play As his encore Virtuosic, beautiful piece And I knew in my senior year I was gonna have to play a virtuosic Violin concerto Or a violin piece

Anbarimba to pass Indiana I went from UMass To four years at Indiana Which is the number one school That school, my teacher was like A Navy SEAL commander It's like he would try to wash you out Because the school was number one

And had to keep that status So anybody who was not capable They would wash you out He would just I'm gonna get to the embarrassing moment This guy, I'd walk in And he'd be like Taking notes on the last student

And he'd hit the desk Which meant give me your lesson book He'd open it up He'd still take notes He'd look at it and go Oh, F sharp harmonic minor Two octaves, don't do your right hand Three, four

And I'm still standing there with my book bag He looks at me and goes Are you happy here At Indiana University, Kenny? Do you want to stay here? I'm like, holy shit Jesus Christ So when you walk in

You get your ass in front of the instrument And be ready to play You never know when a conductor's Gonna walk in and say Three, four, let's go You have to be ready He was training you To be a marine

And this stuff carried Carried forward into my entire life So anyway, I met At UMass And there's this hot junior This chick's talking about jealous It's as hot as you can be In classical music

It's not like rock and roll But anyway, she was the hottest She was classical hot Classical hot Yeah So I... I hear... A powdered wig

Nice tits and a powdered wig All right So I... I hear that she's gonna go To this place called Aspen School of Music It's run by Juilliard So all I'm thinking is

Chick You know And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go I gotta go I don't realize It's run by Juilliard Which is the number two school In the country

And it's... It's... I'm not gonna get in So... But the sheet of music They tell you You gotta prepare In the audition

From three out of the Four different areas Snaredrum Tempani Mallets And multiple percussion So I auditioned on all four Because I'm not that great yet

So the pieces are, you know Kind of like beginner or intermediate I send the tape in I don't hear it from them Last day of school I got my dad's station wagon I'm gonna leave UMass

So my summer was To study with Arthur Press I had this cool band Almond Brothers Band And I had this girlfriend That didn't know About the cellist But anyway

I... I'm leaving Amherst And I went Oh, shit! I forgot to check my mail I go back And they told the mail

I had some mail And it looks like I gotta check And I went Oh, shit! What's this? I opened up Accepted to Aspen Two weeks before

So it must have been Somebody must have canceled Because you don't tell somebody Two weeks before So two weeks later I go to Aspen By the way The chick didn't show up

She didn't go Oh, the classical chick didn't go? She did not go So I'm there Dude I was Worst percussions there All these kids with Juilliard Prep

They've been playing Tempani Marimba When they were diapers You know They were just I'm doing scales And they're going Playing these Bach partitas

And virtuosic shit And I have a picture Of me With all those people And the funny thing is It's kind of like your story Worst guy there I became the most

I mean, as far as famous Visual guy Out of all of them It's crazy Some became lawyers Some became this Came that One guy did get a Tempani job

In a San Francisco orchestra Which is big But nobody became Visible In a rock star like me I'm not saying I'm better I'm just saying it's just ironic I thought

Okay I thought when I was there It was a piece of shit Because one day I'm in rehearsal Like orchestra Rehearsal We're playing a Tchaikovsky symphony

Or something Or Romeo and Julia And the orchestra is going And then they stop And the cymbals go It's a hole for me Well, I'm counting I didn't know what I should have done

Is study the music And just pretty much memorize Eight measures before you come in So you don't have to count You don't have to worry about counting The violins do Not me, I'm going 102

103 104 Wait Wait Wait 100 100 100

100 100 100 100 100 1234 101 34

102 I'm up to 300 I'm like Was that 101 Or was that 102 Oh, fuck I'm fucked I come in the wrong place

This motherfucker He didn't just go Excuse me He went Who's playing? Cymbals The whole orchestra Turns around

I'm peeing in my pants And I said Me Embarrassed And he says Do you know when to come in? Count for me Okay, so I start counting

I count like 200 measures He's just trying to ridicule me He was an asshole And I Get to the point where I'm supposed to come in I don't play

He says Why don't you play I said you said count He didn't say play Jesus This reminds me of that fucking What was that movie where the guy was playing the drums Whiplash

Yeah, the guy kept I couldn't watch the movie I was just like Just join a different band Why would you sit here And let somebody If I've had a kid Let somebody talk to him

To that level I know It's like One thing I'm just trying to make you better But like When it gets to the point Somebody's like Taking their life out on you

You know Or at least push back Yeah You know Why don't you go fuck yourself It's one of those Yeah, I know He'll respect you more

Instead of sitting there I don't know It kind of goes against What we've been talking about earlier Where we were saying Like, you know, you've got to take a little bit There's both There's both

Well, it's always a scale What weighs heavier? Me punching him in the face Or verbally telling him And then Get my ass kicked and fired Is that more important Than hanging in here

And just getting better? Right You make a decision It's always a scale To me, you know It's like the coach that's Up your ass Or the teacher

In many cases Or Some of the people I've worked for And you go You know I remember people telling me I won't mention names I can't believe you put up with that shit

And I'm like Well Number one hit single On the radio right now You know I mean, it's like You didn't go on the road with them Was this a studio gig?

No, it was full blown Oh, on the road Yeah You know, I've been so Fucking lucky in this business And I also think it's because When I finally started Doing shit in this business

Where like It used to be back in the day There was like 20 giant slices of pie Yeah So there was always sort of Like 20 people at any moment Who just could snap their fingers

In the whole world Had to move And now it just seems like Each one of those 20 slices Has been chopped up a million times So it's like You can't be an asshole anymore I know

You know what I mean You sort of like Can't be that You know Tipping over the craft service table And I refuse to come out of my trailer Until we Are you telling me that

My career is over Since we've been talking No, no I've said enough shit To get me banned No, I've definitely Like Yeah

But I've never on any Like on any acting gig Everybody I've ever worked with They always showed up on time Yeah And you hear all these stories I've never had I've only been

Yeah, of course Doing that stuff For like the last few years But I've never run into that But then You always heard these stories You know, I first got into this business About, you know

People would get like a sitcom And then all of a sudden The creators of the show Are banned from the set Yeah And they refuse to do the lines Their tank and table reads Because they're mad at the writers

All of that shit I never saw any of that Well, that's because Now there's somebody sitting There's 100 people behind you Ready to take you gig For a third of the pay Yeah

In rock and roll I hear it say You want to go on tour I won't mention your name Some chicks doing stadiums And they're paying the musicians that I know, I heard about that Are you kidding me?

I said I used to make that In a day Recording I used to And the thing is Is that There's kids that go out

And do it for Half as much And share a room Or sleep on the floor Just to do it It's unbelievable I have a friend of mine Tell me about that

Doing like some giant Like They say like Where the falcons are playing Yeah And he was just going Dude, if you knew the money That we were making

It's just like The artist gets all of it Yeah And then Yeah, we're going back I'm sleeping in the bathtub This other guy's sleeping in the bed And blah, blah, blah

And it's just What happens The accountant's got control Of the business The accountant's in the business People And where The artists

And they suck up to the artists The artists are happy Because You're saving money You're saving Well, I'm saving you This amount of money If you put these people there

And you pay them this And you're this And you're that And that'll give anybody A heart on you Especially if you were A struggling musician There's a point in the

Fork and Road where I think a struggling musician Either becomes the person That was kind of Keeping them down Or they go That's not the way to treat people And most of them don't

They become Just like that or worse I've worked with these guys Where They kind of like They got screwed Yeah, they got screwed By the label

They got screwed By managers They got screwed But that doesn't mean You screw your band I saw a guy I saw a guy recently I was watching one of these

Called Sideman And there was a guy I mean, I think Or I did something in that There's a guy in that And he's The black blues guys No, no, no

This is just talking About hired gun Like a hired gun Yeah, yeah Like exactly what we're doing Okay, so this guy Basically Which guy was in that one?

What's the story? It was the nine inch nails Oh, I know all those guys I know both sides So there was a guy Yeah, I know In that band He becomes the guy

That was treating him A certain way he went And became that guy Yeah, like Trent goes Hey man, he goes Man, he goes You're going home to a giant house At the end of this tour

I'm going back to live with my parents In the basement Yeah, he goes You want to make some money Write a record So he went out and he wrote a record And then he turned around And he did the exact same thing

To all those people I thought he would have eased Off the gas a little bit You know what I mean? He was just like No, fuck you, man This is the game This is the game

So I watched it I didn't know how to feel about it I was sitting there going Well, I wouldn't do that shit But it's easy for me as a comedian Because we don't have to split the money As far as with other band members It's just all the other shit

Taxes and all that But to defend him Or that position Is that the business could make you Feel like I got just beat up so much That now it's my turn to be on top And fuck everybody else That kind of thing

It can do that But there was a time like that And stand up There was a certain comedy club And it was just a really bad time For it And it just had this really negative vibe And it was all of these guys

That at the time had TV shows And movie careers And they would come down to the club And they would do like an hour And a half, two hours Not worked out any material Just leaning on the mic stand So what else is going on

And just showing off That they could burn the light And meanwhile would bump like 20 comics And people would just start saying And then you couldn't say I'm going home Because then the club would get mad at you So you would literally go from having

Like an 11 o'clock spot To waiting around to like 2.30 in the morning There would be nobody there And this was every fucking night And you felt that energy In the back of the club Of certain comics being like Man, I can't wait till I get a fucking sitcom

I'm going up there And I'm going to fucking burn the light I'm going to make everybody else's way And fortunately Right around that time The Seinfeld show was ending And I'll never forget I was down in the improv on Melrose

And Jerry Seinfeld came in to do a set And he had to do 20 minutes And he did 20 minutes He came up with shit that worked And then in the middle he tried out some new stuff Had a big closer And then he just went around Any questions?

Bing bang boom And done And walked up In that same club That you would do this shit No, this was a difference That's a great example That's what I was sitting in

And I remember and then wanting him Oh, don't leave, you know Leave him wanting more All of that shit Dude, that's pro Total fucking pro And I just remember thinking Like that's how you do it

That's how you do it Good thing you were there And every comic Like who watched left excited That they got to see him work And do his thing And you don't give a shit If you get bumped 20 minutes to see Seinfeld

But, you know, if he went up there And for fucking two hours Yeah, tortured everybody Was meandering Yeah You know, had a little fucking piece of You know, just going up there Being famous

Just to be famous And the fact that he didn't do That always stuck with me Like, alright, that's That's how you fuck That's what you aspire to be That classy And that professional

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And what I... Okay what do I do? Okay so I lift weights I definitely lift I have eight steps to health You got another book about this? I already mentioned sex, drums and rock and roll is his book The hardest hitting man in show business

Kenny Aronoff I left that out of the book That's why I'm writing a second book They cut 300 pages out of that book I mean I'm 300 million records sold dude So I'm just a workaholic you know And so they said it's too long The magic number is 300, 325 pages

I went they left out this whole scene With me and Cameron Diaz Me meeting Dave Groh When he comes up to me I'm hungover I just played with the buddy rich big band in New York Me and Matt Sawyer out all night Just partying it up

And I'm hungover Checking out and skinny Dave Groh Comes up to me and goes Hey Kenny, Dave, what's up? What are you doing? Oh hi Dave Yeah I'm fine huh I'm a little hungover

You gotta stay in town I got this showcase now You gotta come He's jumping around to go jackrabbit And he's just I got a new band man Oh cool man What's the name?

It's Foo Fighters man God that's a weird name See ya That didn't make the book They said you just name dropping man They said you can't have I have to admit Yeah but nerds like me

I want to hear their stories It's Camideas you like too Basically I turned You know I didn't You know the sunset marquee The whiskey bar? The whiskey bar The whiskey bar and the sunset marquee hotel

It's the bar and the sunset marquee You know that's the hotel It's a kind of boutique hotel All the rockers go If you're on Altoloma Go down the hill off of Sunset It's in there Okay

I mean every You walk in there It'd be Jeff Beck It'd be you too It'd be the Stones And only hold 75 people It's really intimate All the rock bands would stay there

So I'm staying there And I'm doing a record With Tony Iomi and Billy Corgan From the Pumpkins Wow Tony Iomi from the Sabbath So doing a solo record And those

That was a 13 hour session That one day With 45 minute break Jesus Christ This is This is To be a real badass session And you know

You know No vocals to listen to It was just we were writing the song right there Three movements And Billy doesn't fuck around It's not a party time It's fucking all work So that night

I'm sitting in there Having a drink with Tony And a whole bunch of shit Happened that night I think that might be in the book But I also want to see Toby Myers I just left the Malincamp band

Two years prior And I'd been in that band For 17 years So it was like a divorce Also I see the bass player Come running out of the bar I'm in the lobby Because it was

It was too filled And he's like Fuck this And he's pissed I'm like Toby What's going on man He says

Ah fuck I walk in there And there's the Malincamp band So it's kind of an emotional Yeah It's almost a decade It's like a divorce And seeing your ex-wife

Suddenly And a new drummer You know And he's It's awkward You know Then I look over Out in the courtyard

And there's The tour manager For the pumpkin It's about six or eight And he brings me over The bottom line is He's smiling He just wanted to see

What it'd be like I saw Cameron Diaz She just done that First movie Something about Mary And some guys Talking to her

And the bottom line It was Jimmy Chamberlain The drummer from the pumpkins He wanted to see us Connect You know Meet What would happen

Anyway He's had some drinks And stuff And he's Just talking to her And I I was just so Uptight from

Everything going on That day And then The Malincamp band And like Ah You know And bottom line

Is So I stood there And I went That's not how I want to meet Jimmy Chamberlain I cooled down I tapped him on the shoulder And said

Jimmy listen Man I respect you so much You are One of my favorites You're almost badass I feel so honored To be playing

In your band Dude I just God damn I didn't I'm sorry I met you like this You know

I would love to Just tell you How much I appreciate you And then I walked off It's about Two in the morning The bar closes Outcomes

Camideas Lands on my lap Jesus Christ Put your arms around me Lands on my lap Now I'm 1998

So I was like Just a ball of testosterone And my Normal game of play Was like If a chick lands on your lap At two in the morning What do you think

You're going to say or do Right But this is Camideas Gorgeous Hot And she Whispers

You know Whispers in my ear Somebody would have probably Thought she was kissing me Whispers in my ear Says you know I heard what you said to Jimmy That was

Really, really cool And I look at him I smile And that's usually when I go Hey I got a room upstairs I can get some liquor You want to eat

You want some What do you want You know And I put my move I didn't put that in a book They said Well you didn't have sex Well I'm like

The part The reason why I should have put that In my book is this The night I sent it to her Which was not normal for me Was I had a fucking session The next day

13 hours with Billy Corgan And Tony Iomi Oh fuck No And the point of this book Is work came over Everything Well if you

Everything Turned down the potential of that Yeah You're definitely a workaholic Who's one sent this I'm hoping Camideas Like finds me some day While I'm

Giving one of my speeches On stage And says I'm here to collect We'll probably be in wheelchairs And have class to be bags And I'll be Yeah not so much now

Hey do you uh It's my name You were talking about working out Yeah what about diet And all that Alright so in the book I came up with Eight things

First thing Number one lifting weights The reason why lifting weights Is important I just swore off it Because I fucked up my Rotator cuff So please tell me

There's other types Of weight lifting weights You can do The pink ones The little one pounders At this point 300 reps 300 reps okay

300 reps Get that wiry strength There's all kinds of things I have bands when I go On the road to take In my hotel room I can do everything In my hotel room

So anyway I just lifting weights Besides being strong It keeps your hormone Levels up And when your hormone Levels up You're fighting the big

Three diseases Cancer Diabetes And heart disease It's proven So our hormone Levels go down real quick Before you're Definitely near 20

Shit starts changing Testosterone levels Start going down After 18 or 17 Or so It's crazy But anyway it keeps your Hormone levels up

Which makes you younger too Everything about it Makes you youthful Alright So lifting weights Does that And also The more muscle mass

You build The more it chews on fat Eat your fat Okay So You know And I know how to Carve my body

You know you do You know bench press For your chest Pull You know Pull downs To get To create that V

You do You know I do bench Also to build your chest Fly I do flies and bench I know how to Carve my body

Alright the second thing Is cardio I'll just picture you Jim Do you have like that Shit from like the 80s That old Was it The Weeder

Joe Weeder things The AMF And all of that And picture this old thing The gray on gray Remember the gray on gray Sweatsuit Everybody had

The Indians would work in it It was like Called the iron pit There was nothing pretty About it These are guys that Want to work out But I had a trainer

For a long time For 14 years So I learned how To do it right And I need to get A new one Because I need to be You know

Get the latest techniques You know It's all about technique As you well know Rotator cuff You know People don't You know

I can help you With bad technique If you want to get hurt I can fucking I've been Did you Or Did you

When you did any Wastes You used to Probably raise your shoulders Right My shoulders were already up Okay The thing about

Lifting weights Is you I was in a Trauma I was in a Protective posture Told you I had

Fucking Orange hair When I was growing up I mean I was just Oh yeah Goddamn bullseye Yeah

You know Fuck this white shit I'm talking to those fucking people Yeah I know Because you're always gonna have Problems and then They're always gonna sit there And then

Then you start doing it To other people Oh you know what that is That's because When you were a kid And that ice cream fell off You fucking cone And then you just

Become this person Trying to connect everything So I know I've just sort of Accepted who I am I try to work on Being less of

An angry asshole Yeah Is what I'm Trying to do I've gotten way better I feel You're married right Yeah

Yeah How's she dealing with it The angry asshole Nah She's a Angry asshole too Nah She's a saint man

Wow You did good Nah If she ever just said Look I just can't fucking deal With you anymore I would be hard probably

But I get it Yeah I get it But I mean You know Then there's the other part Of me It's just like

Well you know We're living nice here Yeah And I'm out here Yeah Doing shit in dick jokes You're here You're watching every episode

Of The Office Yeah You're starting it like that Which doesn't get you anywhere Yeah But it feels good for a second I gave up arguing With my wife for Lent

And I said I'm not gonna I'm finding the genius I used to think those guys Were just like They just quit Those guys

It's not worth it It's not worth it It is actually There's the game Within the game When you do that Oh yeah man That's heavy

If you can do that Because your emotions are raging Your brain isn't as powerful As your emotions But their thing is How they get you Okay Oh well

It's because Look they can't Physically beat the shit Generally speaking Let's just date In some UFC check They can't beat the fuck out of you Oh I know

So they have to go cerebral And what happens is Is you give up All your information When you're wrong I mean When you're mad Yeah

And then they collect that shit Yeah And they don't get it anymore All of a sudden They're the information trail That the court has been cut Now they don't know What the fuck you're thinking

I love that And this is like this Holy shit I think I finally got some power Back in this This is incredible The big thing is You recognize that

Yeah That's the big thing Because what I'm doing now It's like It's the execution I'll go like You Oh wait a minute

Don't say that Don't say anything Yeah You still get smart You go Because all of a sudden But they respect you though Yeah but they don't like

But then what they do Is then All you did was catch up To one of their skill sets And then what happens is Then you know They immediately It's not adjusting

It becomes a different It's evolving They're professional At what they do And we're just learning How to do it So they're better It's like getting the ring

With Muhammad Ali I mean you might get one punch In Then it slides out You know My big thing is now That is my experience But yeah

My big thing now Is try this As I know there's that point Where I can feel The fucking testosterone Blowing in through me My muscles swelling And she's had a couple glasses

Of wine She's like completely Out of control And I'm perfect And she I just go There's that one moment I just go

See I shut the computer Or the book Or whatever I'm doing I say See and I leave I pull myself out of the room Oh you can walk Oh I gotta walk

I gotta walk Because if I don't I've always wanted to do the walk I've never I've never been able to do it No do the walk Just say You know what

I'll see you I'm going Or just leave So I'm done That's what I say I'm done I'm done I leave

Because if I don't I gotta do the clap I don't need the clap I'm done I'm done Scene See But that's good

For both of us Because What happens if See I'll be up all night Not her She goes to sleep Wakes up

Oh that's why Hey honey And I'm like Still raging Right I can't get past that I just I wish I could just

I could start going in And Jesus Christ Man What am I doing here What This is I talk to myself I walk down the street one time

And I didn't even give a shit Who heard me And I know there was people Looking at me I didn't care I was just like I was just like I will never do this again

Yeah Okay I understand people Getting married the first time You didn't know what you were Getting into But people who get the second Time It's like

You got three Oh my god I am fucking One and done If this shit doesn't work I'm not saying we're in a bad place But if she ever just said Fuck this I'm out

I would totally get it And I would just I would fucking give her everything And I would have somebody Build me this The drum room No the dream divorcee house For a guy

Which is just a garage With the fucking room above it And it's a big studio I'll have my I'll have electronic drum kits I don't piss anybody off I'll have all the fucking Sports packages

A little kegerator Slowly drink myself to death And a nice car And it's my old fucking 68F100 And you can You want everything The fucking thing else take it

I don't give a shit Well you know what I feel the same way If I don't If I don't If you know If my wife she's 21 years younger You know she's hot as hell

Gina If she left me I'd just say I tell you What the word about me Cheating on you Because if you leave me I'm done

I would never Fucking live with another woman again And you know And right from the start I'd strike through your out I mean I'd be like Now I'm not saying I'm not going to date

And do what guys do But I wouldn't live alone You don't deserve to live With anybody I'll take half the blame I'm not good enough I'm not equipped for this Next life I'll do it

Right now Because you know My career has always been first I mean Is that what messed up Most everything It's always been My career's been first

And we can attach that To all kinds of Freudian shit I don't give a fuck Career's always been first And that's what got me where I am And now I'm That's what I love about my wife

Is she gets that Because I've seen other guys Deal with that Where it's just like They get with somebody And they love the lifestyle Of what you do But then they want that

Nine to five guy Who's going to be like Honey I'm home every night And once they After a while They just get tired of that And then that's what Fucking makes me paranoid

About women Is because then they leave you But they take the lifestyle With them And you're the guy That earned it And now you have to continue Going out doing what

The fuck it is you do While you give all the lifestyle Money to them And then they meet this Other fuck At nine to five asshole And they get to live This rock star shit

And you know Cake and eat it Cake and eat it That's the reality That's a definite That is a definite reality And if you bring that up It's considered like

Misogynistic And all that type of shit Which is That's the thing That's all of this Me too shit That's going on right now Where they're examining

The male-female dynamic Which obviously needs to be done It's obviously a good thing To, I mean I had no idea All this fucking shit Was going on So that's all good

But what I love about this Is like we're going to examine The male-female dynamic But it's They're only going to critique What guys do In the relationship So at that point

You're kind of suggesting Women are like These completed works And meanwhile They're fucking killing us Every guy dies Before their wife They always outlive us

They blame us I say You don't go to the fucking doctor You know I'm going to the doctor I'm going I'm getting everything Fucking checked out

Just to fucking prove them wrong My wife is still going to kill me I swear to God she is I'll go there Dude, I tell my wife I'll have all my shut I tell her I'm going to live long

In all you fuckers I got that old man shit No, you gotta do that I'm going to fucking live I'm just I'm going to hang on You know Hey you fucker

You know I'll be paralyzed On one side I mean You can't kill me Communicating through your little bell Like that dude And breaking bad

Yeah Yeah I know It's pretty crazy I mean You know It's just typical of anything Like this

It swings way Over to the other side And there's definitely some Definitely some issues And things to be addressed I mean Without mentioning names Bad behavior

Is bad behavior I agree Bad behavior But This It gets to the point Where then You've got so many gray areas

And so many Things to consider That aren't just What's going on in the news That It's not just There's something else going on And they're trying to

Like just Just put it all Into one little cubicle I'm going to get my ass kicked For this But You know I don't want you to get in trouble here

I don't want you You're not getting me in trouble Listen Let me ask you this What do you think What are some of the bands You're like everybody's always Travelling like

What happened to music And blah blah blah What do you Are you like in music this day I think I think mediocrity is in And Do you think part of that was because

All the studios They used to have like The fucking guy You wanted to produce your record And now it's like It's just Fucking people at home No it's real simple

Well you're right But the reason The reason Behind all the change Or one of the big reasons Behind the change Is that You don't buy CDs

There's no income coming in I'm on three CDs That sold 40 million A piece Two Celine Dion records And a meatloaf Bad out of hell too Each sold over 40 million

Not including downloads Think about now If the artist is making 18 cents on the dollar That's 82 cents to the label Times 40 mil That's going to pay some bills The business model was

It was When I was with Mellocamp They If you You could spend We could spend a year Making a record You know of course

We were doing it in Indiana Which was cheaper But actually we did it In other places But we could spend a year Working on a record If we made a record And the music sucked

You throw it away And start again And also by the way Back then If you didn't have a good Course A good hook line A unique sound

Unique this Unique that Unique that You wouldn't even get played On the radio Because everybody else Was doing that You were competing against

The greatest records That have come out In a long time And so A million dollars You could invest If they wanted to A million dollars to get

That record played On the radio Across the United States Not to mention the marketing Plan for the Europe In Asia In England In Australia

Then when you went on tour There was tour support There was money to Invest in a band To build a career And the way There's nothing more powerful Than a bunch of guys

Working together Let's see Beatles, Stones U2 You know The Who These bands Led Zeppelin

These bands Work together Didn't even matter If they got along The point is All the talent In one room Created this incredible team

That created Incredible epic product One guy Can't do What four guys That's like Michael Jordan Was the most dangerous

Basketball player in the world Why? He figured it out It wasn't about him It was about the team And that's what scared The other people And the other side

Look at the coach of the Pistons Saying that one year When Mike showed up The first game they played him They collapsed the D on him And he passed the ball And he went Oh, shit

Of course He still dominated And took over the game But once he started doing that He added that whole Dignity to his game And it was over His point is

You look at him You know he's going to do The right thing For the team That's scary, man Because that means He's a coach And a player

So, I mean Teams are greater than Individuals One guy thinks that He can do as much as five That's crazy But because of the budgets We've been forced

Into those cubicles We've been forced to People have to There is no budget I have a studio right up the road There and people come over And they They want me to record drums

I have an engineer I have a control room And a drum room And I've done like Sammy Hagar Billy Gibbon Steve Luker Through all kinds of But most of the work

I get is people Sending me files from all over the world And they save up Their little money And they have You know, 40 Four decades of experience And myself

So they'll literally write a song And be like I want to get Kenny Aaron up on this And they send you a little Zip whatever the fuck They call it Zip Vibe Zip File

Zip Recruiter Whatever the fuck They call it They send you that thing I load it into my Pro Tools So I ask for this I ask for the click They used on the session

Because, man The times I haven't gotten a click It's a disaster If they didn't play to a A click track Oh, sure We're fucked And it speeds up

And it takes me longer So because of the budget I want I would love to see you In your drum room Jesus fucking Christ You're slowing down again Something like that

Wow So I get the click I want the click They use the session I put that into Pro Tools On one track And I can control the volume Then I tell them

To send me the demo With the drum sequences Stuff that they use Because nine out of ten times That's what they're in love with Then send me the song Without the drums Because that's what I'm going to play to

I'm going to play to the song Without the drum sequence And the click Do you Do you Before You know You play what they already put down

Oh, yeah Do you play what you would play first I do that So you don't have their shit in your head No, I play First I do Is I play exactly what they program Then I start making adjustments

Like instead of open hi-hat I might go to the crash symbol Or go to the ride symbol Or the first take I give them three takes First take is pretty much what they Had But it's with my feel

And then I start doing Like more fills that are me I do different things that I'm thinking They could pick from this And the third take I go even further And that's my Really my definition of creativity Is to start with the foundation

And then build off of that And sometimes I give four takes If I think, you know what And then I send it back to them And they typically go for take two Three is I've gone too far Or they might grab Like he was doing the song for Sammy Hagar

And I said, you know, I really think this song He just sent me guitar and his vocal And a click He can still sing his ass up Ridiculous I just played him Just here and Ridiculous

He's like one of the greats Let me know next time you guys are playing Oh, dude, this was like I was playing with him The guys from Stone Temple Pilots Some guys from the cult Some guys from Matt Storm And I were playing together

Steve Stevens I mean, somebody from the Stones It was great It was a music thing To get kids, you know Instruments and schools I thought you were describing What all you guys are doing

It was a music thing Oh, yeah, I didn't think you guys Were playing basketball That's why I had to clarify that So anyways, so I got it That was really interesting So they usually end up taking Like take two

Which makes sense Because they're not drummers And then you But they know what they want And then you You should see I got to show you what my charts I'm the most anal chart writer

In the planet This is because Hey, why you look for that I want to ask a question Yeah For the longest fucking time I've always wanted to ask a drummer With your setup

I don't know if you still do this Yeah, I do It's reversed Yeah, why do you For people at home listening He would have Like, what have you 12

12 inch to 10 inch 10 inch And you're a right-handed drummer Going left to right Wow, look at that It's 30 minutes Takes me to that And then read it

Make it sound like I'm not reading Make it feel like I'm not reading I'm looking at his drum chart Oh, that is so fucking cool It's like Chinese, right? Yeah

So I reversed So why do you So usually for people Who don't play drums Listening to this You go high to low High to low So you're like

10, 12, 14, 16 Going down And you go like 12, 10 16, 18 16, 18 So what happened Was I got in the mellocamp band

And when I auditioned I showed up with a car With leaky oil And I had this big-ass, you know Neil Perk from Rush Drum Set John looks at me Looks at the car Looks at the drums

Shakes my hand John mellocamp turns around And walks the other direction Like, wow He was not happy I didn't look cool The car is leaking on his driveway And I got a drum set

That's like Right You know, he's not cool Since this guy's not going to work out I crushed it, though I just beat the I broke everything He was just close to me

His mouth was open Like, holy shit This guy's into it Anyway, I get in the band But immediately he said So that was another time When someone's just looking at you Like, no

And you just Yeah Went over the top That's fucking awesome That book you see where He cut me from the first record Five weeks later And he told me to go home

And I said, no I ain't going home I'm not fucking going home There's no way I was going to be Modified I'd rather go to Mars There's no way I'm going to go home

See, I didn't have enough I didn't know how to serve a song You know what I tell the drummer And we'll get back to the tennis dom I say, you know what the purpose of a drummer Is when you're making a record? Nobody ever gets it They're going to get it now

Because I've said it enough But they go, beat And I go, yeah Time? I says, no Get the fucking song on the radio To be number one That's your job

Because when you do that You just made the company Millions of dollars You just made the record label You made the artist Or the band Millions of dollars If Microsoft hired us

They don't give a fuck about us They just want us to make money And they smile And when we make money for them They give us some money We take care of our family It's that simple Nobody ever tells you that shit

But that's why I didn't get on the first record I played with Leonard Bernstein That was a tango I got the Jews from the Symphony Orchestra What the fuck does that have to do With getting a song on the radio To be number one? I didn't know

I was looking through a telescope And that is looking through a microscope So different direction And I didn't understand that And I eventually did, obviously But I'm a fighter-fight guy I didn't know that So I wrote this book

I thought I was just this nice I can't wait to read this I can't wait to read this You gotta laugh your ass Please tell me though I don't want to go with that So John said He liked Charlie Watts

He wanted the Charlie Watts One rack tom One floor tom One ride cymbal One crash and a hi-hat That's it So that was really tough Because you know

Drummers are really particular About this setup So I went, all right I was really pissed about that But okay I did it And then we went on tour Let's see

Maybe I did the first tour With one rack tom But then Jack and Diane Which was the next record Which I vowed I'd be on the next record Which I was That was that big drum solo Boom-blah

Doos-doos-doos-doos Doos-doos-doos-doos-doos And it was four times That's so iconic to hear you sing that That's fucking the shit All right, someone So I'm playing Or maybe this is what happened before Jack and Diane

I remember I had a 12-inch rack tom A 16-inch floor tom And an 18s didn't even have hardware on the bottom I just didn't even have a deal yet Didn't even have hardware And I had the Evans hydraulic heads Remember those fat thick heads? Did they have the oil in the middle of them?

Yeah And it just was like And so the engineer comes up to me And we're playing We'll open up the ticket So your 18 is like a concert tom Like there's no bottom head No bottom head

No bottom head And that figure is just dirty We're opening up for the kinks So we're playing in big venues And the engineer comes up to me and goes Kenny, your toms I can't get enough definition out of those drums Do you got a smaller tom?

And I went, well, I do But John doesn't want it And this is when I had the rack tom on a snare stand I didn't mount it I didn't want it It was old school So I said, well, I got a smaller tom But John's not going to like it

And then I went, hey Tell John his vocals will sound way better If I have that 10-inch tom up there I'm just joking And I don't know if he told him that But the bottom line is He says put the other tom up So but I didn't have a hold of force

I had to put on a snare stand So I've got a 24-inch kick drum And these toms are like You could drive a freight train through it Between them But why wouldn't you just put the 10? Because at this point I realized the value and the perfection

Of snare 1216 is the sound Like a jazz drummer Now you go back to They weren't dummies They were all into like Not what looks good But what sounds good Putting a 10-inch right there with a 12-inch

I wasn't going to go for it I would go 10 I guess I could have put the hi-hat out farther And then squeezed the 10-inch Even far left and leave the 12-word is But I decided to reverse it And then You probably avoided hip problems too

Because then you're like Just being just another two inches after 40 years All of a sudden it's like Ah, fuck, I can't walk Yeah So yeah, that became my thing And then think about it If you put your hand out

10, then left hand 12 Right hand 16 Babadum This is that But I'm sure that some of the fills I did Were so out there Some guy in Japan Was trying to analyze this shit going

How do you do that? When you're right You try to figure out the sticking I fucking hate that I hate when that happens Then you'll have like All the bottom The kick right left

And they went kick left right Everybody in England went kick left right So it had that descending sound That's the way I do it Like Bonham I go left hand on the raccom When I go I go left hand, right hand, foot

That's what Bonham did And you know that fill That he does in Black dog He goes Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh He leads with his left hand So he can go left to the raccom

Left Which is It's snare, tom, snare, foot But then he can move his knife Snare, tom, snare, foot I think it's like No, fucking Oh, snare, snare, tom

So it's a So he does it like that Because he's so talented He just thought, well, why cross over my hands And why, he just made his hands do What, execute a thing to get the sound he wanted So he went go So he went left handed

As opposed to most people go Because they don't want to That's why they're leading with the right hand The right handed Second of all, it's easier So, but not Bonham No, no, he says Did you ever see those guys live?

You ever see that one? No, fuck You just, it's the first time you've ever been Sitting up straight You just leave some I never saw him Dude, I gotta, I mean, to me Do you ever see like that

That Royal Albert Hall That, just the way that concert looks You know that DVD that released About 15 years ago And his drum sound It's just, you know what's funny about that guy I was talking to something about this There's like this whole like

I think it's a myth that he played Like these 2B giant tree trunk sticks But you look at his things Like he's playing like a 5A Okay, let me ask you something Do you remember what heads he's using And that, is that how the West was won? That thing

That all came out back then Okay, do you know what drum heads he had on? The Royal Albert Hall Or any of that time Well, he used to have the black dot Like the Tony Williams one Okay, okay, that's what he did have that But the sound remains the same he had

Okay, on the, well On the how the West was won? Coated ambassador Not only did he have coated ambassador He on his kick drum too Dude, I blow through that shit In like 3 songs Coated ambassador and he had a

Oh, and the snare drum You remember when you were a little kid You'd play snare drum and get You don't change the head Because you don't play that hard You had the snare drum and it turns black And then the inside of that black It's beat out

Clear and you could see through the drum Yeah, that means you That drum had been on there for 80 years He had a snare drum Live With that look I started studying his muscles And the way he wasn't hitting that hard

He had an incredible foot But he wasn't hitting that hard Because you cannot play a coat In ambassador heads And make it and have it last In a live show like they were doing He wasn't hitting that hard His hair was flying around

It looked like he was just a beast And he's big But I watched his muscles And his every way he moves That's all wrists and fingers Because I play from my belly button I'm like martial arts player Right

Started off with mallets When I started to remember You had to lift with your wrist Because to get the yarn off Of the wooden bar I developed wrist technique I used fingers to get the stick To just bounce off the timpani

Use your fingers And then with snare drum You do both Because when you do double stroke row You go wrist down And then fingers to get the rebound And then when I started playing rock and roll I started to use that wrist thing

And I started to go into my forearm Then into my upper arm And then I started going with my back And then I started realizing Well, shit I'm going to do the Bruce Lee thing I'm just playing from my gut And it's, you know

That's how I just think What little I know, obviously I just think he just knew Born him Just knew how to hit a drum He knew how to hit it And get the fuck out of the way of it

And let it Because I remember My generation coming up In the 80s Like all those teenagers We would That's always that thing When people just

You'd hit the bass drum And leave the beater on it Me too And you'd try to like Just bash you Because his sound was so big It was also too I mean, there was production value

Too and everything So we were sitting there Trying to Your 26 inch bass drum You know Yeah, we were trying to get that sound Yeah You just thought

Yeah, you had to hit hard And you remember Buying these big stupid Like the marching band sticks And it just sounded like Absolute shit Like I would just sound Like I was hitting a wet piece

Of notebook paper When I would hit it And it just would never work But it was That's the whole point of this thing Is that look What you hear Isn't what you

Doesn't add up to what You actually do to get that sound There's so many variables Let me ask you a few more Before we got to wrap this up Because I could literally talk to you About who's most underrated drummer There's a lot of underrated drummers

Phil Rudd for ACDC Unbelievable, yeah Unbelievable It's more like what he doesn't do Okay, I just saw I just did music cares in New York Where Don was his musical director Producer

Big, huge things While I played with 20 artists All kinds of styles You know, it done Meryl Haggard recently Greg Almond Dr. John Fleetwood Mack

That's my whole point For music cares And I watched Fleetwood Mack rehearse At the We were done rehearsing I played with eight artists I wanted to watch them And then Mick Fleetwood's

Oh yeah I saw him in like 1990 He was another guy He switched the toms, right? Yeah Yeah And then he had That extension on his hi-hat

Because he was like nine He was like nine feet tall Ridiculous But the thing is Is that these drummers The guys I became the drummer I used to make fun of

When I was in college Like fuck that Nigel Olson Shit This guy Charlie Watts Even Ringo Who I thought was my idol He is my idol But then I went on like

Billy Collin pretty much Fucked up my career Because I was trying To play like him And you know what I'm saying Yeah, you start No, that's a young That's a young person

He's thought like I gotta go I gotta go To many notes as I can And showing off And doing all that I can't Obviously not trash

And Billy Collin I told Billy Collin I said It's in my book I said But you know And we're friends There's no way

I was ever gonna be Like Billy Collin And I learned a lot By trying My point is Is that I had to learn To appreciate

How brilliant A guy like Charlie Watts Or Ringo Starris And Phil Rudd And There's a whole slew Of them

When they're coming out Of like the verse Or something like that It's just Only that point You think that he's gonna hit the crash And he doesn't And he keeps playing

And then when he finally does He's just built up So much tension And then the song Just like It just fucking takes off It took me I used to

I used to Yeah I mean, obviously I became a comedian So I made a lot of mistakes Well, you didn't make that mistake No, but I didn't learn I didn't learn that

Until You know I was probably a comedian For 15 years And I You know, there's that initial thing Where you play to ACDC Because

You think it's easy Yeah, you think And you think you're playing it But you're not playing Physically, you're doing it And it took the longest time Until I saw guys like Steve Jordan And even Steve Gad one time

Would just play the most simple beat And I just would watch those guys That's an example right there Being like I can physically play that But I could never Even remotely make it sound It all comes from your head

First, you gotta hear it Somebody saw me doing I did another music series I was honoring Dylan Here in LA Some drummers I decided in between The rehearsal and the filming

And recording And these shows, by the way 16 cameras shoot They're gonna record it You can't fuck up And you just finished rehearsing With three artists And now you gotta

That's why I write everything out You know So anyway, this guy's I decided I talked to the engineer I said I just feel like In this room my cymbals were bright

I'm gonna put up some K cymbals You tell me So I'm playing the simple groove Just laying it down Being Doing what I do And some drummer for this other band Is looking at me

Shaking his head And he comes over And I said Is something wrong with the cymbals? He goes No How the fuck Do you make those drums sound like that?

How do you get that sound? You're not doing anything fancy So he was telling me What I'm in Of other drums Like I'm You know And I said

You know How do I do that? He says Because I hear something I imagine something in my head Maybe it's John Bonham And I imagine something in my heart And I'm just chasing after it

I'm chasing after every hit Everything I'm always going Is that sound like I want it to sound And feel the way I want to feel So it doesn't matter what notes I'm playing I'm directing myself Making adjustments with my right hand My left hand

My right foot My left foot Everything My posture Everything To get that kind of sound Getting that sound That I'm feeling and imagining

Yeah, rather than just doing it Just doing it, yeah Well, you know There's a pet peeve of mine That still is to this day When you watch a music video Which you don't see a lot of them The amount of fucking times

Where they never had the drummer Sinked in correctly Like he's hitting the snare And he's always hitting the kick And vice versa It's just like And it's just the fucking worst Or you hear him playing the hi-hat

And he's fucking crashing a cymbal They never have any fucking respect For a drummer And I gotta tell you something, dude The amount of respect I already had For you And just listening to your whole background And how all this stuff you've overcome

And your whole attitude towards it Is that you're an inspirational guy And you sang the Jack and Diane Phil I mean, I'm fucking completed it This is fantastic He's got a new book out Called Sex, Drums, and Rock and Roll Kenny Aronoff

Thank you so much For coming on the podcast, man I should say that, you know You were saying Speaking inspirational I've been doing a lot of There's an article in Forbes I sent you

I don't know if you got it I sent an article I never look at emails I look for it It's textual But my point is I've been doing a lot of speaking That book gave me the inspiration

To go out and I have a whole show I'm gonna do Marathon Oil in two days Where I have a whole hour And 15-minute show where... Jesus Christ I'm gonna be opening for you soon Let me do 20 minutes Let me do 20 minutes in front of you

Okay I can't believe I forgot I was joking telling you I have the VHS copies That I bought Like, I don't know how many I bought them in the 90s Where it was like

You'll be a power workout The power workout Yeah, one and two We gotta hang it some point I wanted you to... I never do autographs I just want to sign those fucking things I do

Kenny Aaronoff Thank you so much for coming on Alright guys, thank you for listening You