Money Crimes with Nicole Lapin - From Crime House: Your First Look at "Conspiracy Theories, Cults, & Crimes"

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey there, it's Nicole Lappin. Crime House is the home of the best true crime stories out there, and you definitely don't want to miss the latest episode of Murder True Crime Stories. Carter Roy is looking into the mysterious unsolved case of The Boy in the Box. In one of America's most haunting mysteries, the body of a young boy was discovered in a box in 1957. Join Carter as he walks you through the entire story. Listen to and follow Murder True Crime Stories every Tuesday and Thursday
Starting point is 00:00:27 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen. Hey there, it's Nicole Lapin. If you are loving scams, money and murder, and I hope you are, you've got to check out our fellow crimehouse original show, conspiracy theories, cults, and crimes. Every Wednesday, you'll get to explore
Starting point is 00:00:44 true stories behind the world's most shocking crimes, deadly ideologies, and secret plots. From mass suicides and political assassinations to secret government experiments and UFO cults. You'll hear about the infamous cases like Jonestown and JFK, as well as hidden horrors like the octopus murders and starvation heights. But remember, these aren't just stories.
Starting point is 00:01:06 These are real people, real events, and very real consequences. So if you love mystery, madness, and diving into the world's most unbelievable true stories, you won't want to miss this. And now I'm excited to share a special preview with you of conspiracy theories, cults, and crimes. This is Crime House. So we've all struggled with our identity at one point or another. It can be difficult, painful even, to feel like we don't belong, like an outsider looking in.
Starting point is 00:01:47 These struggles are normal, though. You might even say they're an essential part of life. If we don't look inward and examine ourselves, our wants, needs, and desires, will never become the person were meant to be. It'll always feel like something's missing. But what if the voice in your head is wrong? When Bonnie Lou Nettles and Marshall Applewhite listened to that voice,
Starting point is 00:02:13 it told them the reason they felt different was because they were different. In fact, they weren't even human. Bonnie and Marshall believed they'd been sent to Earth on a mission. Their goal was to find others like them and bring them back to space, dead or alive. From UFO cults and mass suicides to secret CIA experiments,
Starting point is 00:02:48 presidential assassinations, and murderous doctors. These aren't theories. These are the real stories that blur the lines. between fact and fiction. I'm Vanessa Richardson, and this is Conspiracy Theory's Cults and Crimes, a crimehouse original powered by Pave Studios. Every Wednesday, I'll explore the real people at the center of the world's most shocking events
Starting point is 00:03:13 and nefarious organizations. At the end of every cult-focused episode, we'll also be introducing Cult Watch, a quick look at modern-day groups that are still active, dangerous, and largely flying under the race. radar. Because cults aren't just part of our past, they're still shaping lives today. And to continue building this community, I'll be asking for your input so we can decode each story together. If you want your voice heard, make sure to respond on Spotify or leave a review on
Starting point is 00:03:44 Apple. Or if you just want to support the show, rate, review, and follow, conspiracy theories, cults and crimes, wherever you get your podcasts. And for early, add free access to every episode, Plus exclusive bonus content, subscribe to Crime House Plus on Apple Podcasts. Today, I'm discussing a cult that made headlines in 1997 when a mass suicide left 39 people dead in California. The group, known as Heaven's Gate, preached a blend of Christianity, New Age mysticism, and science fiction. Its members, led by Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Lou Nettles, believed they would ascend. to heaven, and the only way to travel there was by a real-life UFO. But reaching those pearly gates would come at a steep price. If Bonnie and Marshall's followers wanted to get there, they'd have
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Starting point is 00:05:26 Sometimes the most shocking stories have the most ordinary beginnings. That was certainly the case for Heaven's Gate and its leader Marshall Applewhite. Born in 1932, in the small city of Spur, Texas, Marshall had a typical all-American upbringing, and religion was a very important part of his childhood. His father was a well-known Presbyterian minister in the area, and he encouraged Marshall to live a life of virtue. one that his family and God would be proud of. Marshall was eager to please.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Growing up, he attended church regularly and wanted to become a minister just like his father. But while Marshall was a staunch Christian, he was also interested in looking elsewhere for the answers to life's biggest questions. So when it was time for him to go to college in the late 1940s or early 50s, Marshall decided to study philosophy
Starting point is 00:06:24 at Austin College in Sherman, Texas. And he made a splash on campus right away. Classmates remembered Marshall as an extrovert with a magnetic personality. Along with joining the Association of Prospective Presbyterian ministers, Marshall was a talented singer who led the school's acapella group. It seemed like whatever Marshall set his mind to, he would achieve it. And when it came time to graduate in 1952, the 20-year-old decided to follow in his father's footsteps. That year he enrolled at Virginia's Union Theological Seminary, but even though he enjoyed diving deeper into Presbyterian theology, he still felt like something was missing. So after two years, he decided to change course. He
Starting point is 00:07:13 dropped out and studied music and voice instead. Marshall had an undeniable gift. For a while, he even dreamed of a career in opera or acting, but life had other plans. Ever since high school, Marshall had been dating a woman named Anne Pierce. She was a fellow Texan who shared Marshall's religious beliefs. And despite being long distance while Marshall was at seminary school, they both stayed loyal. In 1952, around the same time Marshall dropped out and studied music, he and Anne got married. Before long, they'd settled down in suburban Houston and had two children. At this point, Marshall knew he'd never be a big star, but he could use his voice to support his family. Soon he became the choral director at Houston's
Starting point is 00:08:02 St. Mark's Episcopal Church, as well as a music professor at the University of St. Thomas, also in Houston. He was good at what he did. But deep down, Marshall was restless and unhappy, because there was one thing he'd never told anyone. He was bisexual. From a young age, Marshall had been taught to hide who he was or face the wrath of people like his father. For decades, he'd succeeded, but it had put a wall between him and those around him.
Starting point is 00:08:34 By the mid-60s, Marshall felt alienated from his wife and kids and resentful of his quiet suburban life. Eventually, he couldn't repress those feelings. any longer, and it would cost him everything. Sometime in 1965, when Marshall was 33 years old, he allegedly began an affair with a male student at the University of St. Thomas. The details are murky, but eventually Anne found out.
Starting point is 00:09:04 She was furious and immediately separated from Marshall. Three years later, in 1968, the couple officially divorced, and Anne got custody of their two children. custody of their two children. Not long after that, in 1970, the university learned about Marshall's rumored relationship with the student, and he was fired. Feeling lost and alone, Marshall spent two years drifting around the country, searching for his purpose. Because of the Presbyterian Church's stance on sexuality, Marshall no longer felt welcome there. It was a huge blow to his sense of self. For his whole life, Marshall had found meaning and community through his
Starting point is 00:09:46 congregation, and he still yearned for that feeling of belonging. But now he'd have to find it outside of conventional religion. Soon, he found a new sense of spirituality in the form of more eccentric subjects, including astrology, science fiction, ancient mysticism, and UFOs. While exploring these ideas, Marshall supported himself by dabbling in small ventures. At some point, he even ran a sandwich shop in New Mexico, but nothing seemed to stick. So in 1972, 40-year-old Marshall returned to Houston. He was looking for a fresh start, for someone to build his life with, because despite his newfound interests, he was still very much alone. He had no partner and no relationship with his two children, 15-year-old Mark and 13-year-old Lane.
Starting point is 00:10:42 It seemed like Marshall would never feel whole again. And then he met Bonnie Lou Nettles. On the surface, Bonnie was just as ordinary as Marshall. Born in Houston in 1927, she was the second of three children in a working-class Baptist family. She married young, built a life as a nurse, and raised four children in the suburbs. but as the years went by, she felt increasingly out of place in the tidy routines of family life. Like Marshall, Bonnie felt like an outsider. Her daughter described her as someone who never really fit into society.
Starting point is 00:11:21 She was a dreamer who liked to stare at the night sky and pretend a UFO would take her away. So it wasn't a surprise that Bonnie turned to New Age spirituality for answers. She explored astrology, theosophy, and fringe ideas about life and the universe. Her nights were filled with study groups and seances, which often left her straight-laced husband bewildered. For perspective, she once told him that she was getting life advice from a dead monk named Brother Francis. By 1972, it was clear that 44-year-old Bonnie and her husband weren't a good fit.
Starting point is 00:12:02 It was a difficult moment for Bonnie. Her marriage was failing, and her future felt uncertain. All she knew was that a fortune teller had predicted a tall, fair-skinned man would one day change her life. That person came in the form of Marshall Applewhite. There are a few different versions of how Bonnie and Marshall met. We know it happened at the Houston Hospital where Bonnie worked, but it's not clear how Marshall ended up there. Some say he had a brush with death. Others say he had suffered a mental breakdown or was just visiting a friend. Regardless, as soon as Bonnie and Marshall locked eyes, the connection was instant.
Starting point is 00:12:46 By then, Bonnie was already deep into astrology, and she offered to read Marshall's horoscope. He said yes. According to Bonnie's reading, she and Marshall had known each other in a previous life, and they'd been brought back together to perform a, quote, great task. So, listeners, I'd love to get your thoughts on this. Have you ever spoken to a psychic or done an astrological reading like this? What was that experience like? Let us know in the comments wherever you listen. Well, when it came to Marshall, Bonnie's explanation made perfect sense.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Suddenly he understood why he'd felt so lost to the last. few years. It was because he was searching for her. And now that they'd found one another, they couldn't waste another second. Within months, Bonnie and Marshall left their jobs and families to open a spiritual center in Houston. They sold New Age books and held classes on meditation, astrology, and healing. But it turned out the center wasn't their great task after all. It failed after just a few months. So Bonnie and Marshall took their time. teachings out of the city and into rural Texas. They opened a spiritual wellness retreat called No Place, spelled K-N-O-W. That's where in July 1973, they had a revelation. They weren't just
Starting point is 00:14:14 two middle-aged Texans searching for meaning. They were the two witnesses from the book of revelation, destined to guide humanity into a higher realm of existence. As soon as Bonnie and had this epiphany, they abandoned the wellness retreat and traveled the country. At first, their purpose was hazy. They drove aimlessly through small towns and camped under the stars. They lived on the edge of poverty, surviving on odd jobs, donations from friends, and occasionally selling their blood at donation centers. Throughout it all, they continued to develop their spiritual vision. And it became increasingly, dark. Vani and Marshall believed the earth was on the brink of destruction. If someone wanted to be
Starting point is 00:15:06 saved, they needed to leave all of their human attachments behind. Marriage, family, possessions, everything tying a person to this world had to be severed. Bonnie and Marshall saw themselves as messengers from a level above human, a heavenly realm accessible only to those willing to undergo total transformation. This was both a spiritual and a physical process, a literal change that would come over those who followed their teachings. Like in the biblical book of Revelation, they thought a rapture was coming and only the faithful would be swept up to heaven. But to Bonnie and Marshall, heaven was a real physical place they'd travel to, and their mode of transportation would be a UFO.
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Starting point is 00:16:29 go-transit.com slash tickets. In 1972, 40-year-old Marshall Applewhite met 44-year-old Bonnie Lou Nettles in Houston, Texas. As soon as they crossed paths, Marshall and Bonnie knew they were destined to be in each other's lives. While Bonnie and Marshall were never involved romantically, their relationship was more intense than a simple friendship, because they believed they were brought together by a divine power to share a very important message with the rest of the world. According to them, the earth was on the brink of destruction, and only the faithful would be saved. Bonnie and Marshall, who'd come to believe they were the two witnesses from the book of revelation, were convinced they had been chosen to save a select group of people. But they quickly
Starting point is 00:17:21 realized their message wasn't an easy cell, especially the part about being beamed up to heaven in a UFO. The two, as Marshall and Bonnie started calling themselves, tried reaching out to churches and bookstores around the country. They pitched their ideas to anyone who would listen. Most people dismissed them as harmless eccentrics. The constant rejection wore on them, but they were determined. Finally, in May 1974, after almost a year of outreach, 42-year-old Marshall and 46-year-old Bonnie got their first recruit, a woman named Sharon. We don't know much about Sharon or how old she was, but at the time she was married with several young kids, and she'd been feeling unhappy in her relationship for a while.
Starting point is 00:18:11 When she heard about Bonnie and Marshall's message, it immediately resonated with her. Sharon was seeking a higher truth, something to give her life greater. meaning, and before long, she abandoned her family to join Bonnie and Marshall in their travels around the U.S. Sharon took on the role of publicist. She'd arranged speaking events for Bonnie and Marshall and gather crowds ahead of their arrival. This went on for about four months before Sharon had a change of heart. She still believed in Bonnie and Marshall, but the guilt she felt over leaving her children behind was unbearable. In the early fall of 1974, Sharon returned home. But it wasn't the happy reunion she'd been hoping for. When
Starting point is 00:18:59 she got back, her husband learned that Sharon had let Marshall and Bonnie use her credit card. And then he accused them of fraud. Sometime that fall, the police arrested Bonnie and Marshall. And although Sharon's husband soon dropped the charges and let Bonnie go, Marshall wasn't free just yet. While in custody, the authorities discovered he had an outstanding warrant against him for stealing a rental car in Missouri. Marshall spent the next six months in jail, but he used the time behind bars to perfect his and Bonnie's new religion. There, he also had a shocking epiphany. He and Bonnie hadn't just been chosen because they were the two. They were chosen because they were not human.
Starting point is 00:19:51 In fact, they were aliens, and they'd been sent to Earth to help their followers transform into perfect beings like them. Marshall thought he and Bonnie were modern-day prophets who came from a long line of earlier messengers, including Jesus, Ezekiel, and Elijah. He believed they were all extraterrestrial beings. A month after Marshall was released in April 1975, he and Bono, he and Bono, he and Bonnie unveiled this new doctrine to a crowd of like-minded seekers in Los Angeles. Most people there were already interested in New Age philosophies and the occult.
Starting point is 00:20:31 It was exactly the kind of receptive audience Bonnie and Marshall had been looking for. After that meeting, somewhere between 23 to 27 people walked out on their lives to join the wandering duo. In September, another meeting in Oregon netted an additional 20,000. to 33 followers, which brought their number of followers up to about 60. The new recruits were a mix of ages and backgrounds. Among them were disillusioned young adults searching for deeper meaning, professionals burned out by conventional life, and free spirits looking for adventure.
Starting point is 00:21:11 But they were all united by the same thing, a willingness to make radical sacrifices in the name of transcendence. As for Bonnie and Marshall, they now had a flock, which they called human-individual metamorphosis, and they quickly adopted new names, Bo and Peep, underscoring their role as shepherds, guiding their followers who they called the sheep. Still, despite their growing numbers, the group remained unstable and disorganized. Marshall and Bonnie often struggled to feed and house everyone. They lived communally in makeshift camps around the country and shared what little they had. Bonnie and Marshall also instituted strict guidelines for their followers.
Starting point is 00:21:59 They weren't allowed to have idle conversations, drink, do any form of drugs, or have sex. Bonnie and Marshall explained that banning these things was necessary to begin the process of severing physical attachments. That way, they'd be prepared to start the chemical and biological, and biological transformation into their new, extraterrestrial bodies. As part of that process, Bonnie and Marshall split the movement into groups of two. Members were paired with another Czech partner to help them overcome their human attachments, especially their attachment to sex. Heterosexual men and women were paired together.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Gay men were paired with other gay men, and lesbian women were paired with other lesbian women. This was intentional on Bonnie and Marshall's part. They wanted their followers to feel sexually attracted to one another. The key was to fight off any urges that might arise. If you succeeded, you were one step closer to transcending. Once everyone was paired off, Bonnie and Marshall sent them to find more members. Partners would travel the country together, working through their desires and seeking out converts. Occasionally they would meet back up with the group at different campgrounds, but in the days before cell phones, communicating wasn't so easy.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Members would send each other letters or use short-term PO boxes to figure out where they were meeting next. But mostly, each set of partners went wherever they felt called to go. It's not surprising that this caused some issues. At one point in late 1975 or early 76, two members got to be. lost and couldn't find the rest of the group. They resorted to giving an interview to reporters in the hopes that Bonnie and Marshall would see it and come find them. It's not clear if that ever happened, but by April 1976, 48-year-old Bonnie and 44-year-old Marshall realized their organization would never survive if they couldn't get organized. So they stopped traveling and settled
Starting point is 00:24:11 down in a remote corner of Wyoming. By then, They had 88 followers, about half of what they had at the height of their outreach. Most people who left had either literally gotten lost or become disillusioned with Bonnie and Marshall. But they weren't worried. The smaller numbers and single location meant Bonnie and Marshall could exert even greater control over their remaining followers. In Wyoming, Bonnie and Marshall continued to maintain their rules about sex, drugs, and alcohol. They allowed their members to work odd jobs, but they couldn't have permanent careers, and Bonnie and Marshall took their guidelines very seriously. Later in 1976, they expelled 19 people for either breaking the rules or not being committed enough to the group's overall message.
Starting point is 00:25:04 That way, they knew whoever was left was serious about ascending to the next level and becoming extraterrestrials like Bonnie and Marshall. For the next six years, they treated the compound like a boot camp for outer space, and Bonnie and Marshall were their divine captains. While Marshall was the charismatic one who attracted new members and enforced the rules, Bonnie was the religious leader. She educated the rest of the group using a blend of Christianity, New Age mysticism, and science fiction. But at the heart of all the doctrines,
Starting point is 00:25:41 the ultimate goal was self-actualization. To get there, members structured their lives around meals, sleep, work, meditation, prayer, and creating homes. This last part, where they lived, was especially important. Remember, the goal was to become a level above humans, aka perfected beings like Bonnie and Marshall supposedly were. And according to them, these types of beings live. lived and worked on spacecraft, like those in Star Trek. Because of that, their followers referred to their houses as crafts.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Bedrooms were called rest chambers. Kitchens were called neutrolabs, and laundry rooms were fiber labs. Whether members were cooking or cleaning, they acted like they were in a laboratory on a spaceship. All of their actions were methodical and precise. But even though the group leaned into science, fiction, there were still elements of Christianity throughout, and one of their core beliefs was that one day, Bonnie and Marshall would be assassinated and resurrected, just like Jesus was. They had no idea there was a storm brewing, one that would put their prophecy to the ultimate test.
Starting point is 00:27:03 In 1982, after seven years of honing her vision for the group known as human individual metamorphosis, 54-year-old Bonnie got sick. That year she was diagnosed with an aggressive form of liver cancer. It was a defining moment for her and Marshall. After spending so much time preaching that they were special extraterrestrial beings, Bonnie was having a uniquely human experience. And despite her insistence that she and Marshall were immune from the plights of mere mortals, nature still took its course.
Starting point is 00:27:40 After holding on for three years, Bonnie passed away in 1985. She was 57 years old. Her death changed everything. Without Bonnie, 54-year-old Marshall became the group's one and only leader, and he was prepared to put his crew members to the ultimate test, one the world would never forget. want more 48 hours four days a week the 48 hours is bringing one of tvs most popular true crime series straight to your ears listen for original reporting and exclusive insights from the correspondence
Starting point is 00:28:31 and producers covering each case plus enjoy classic episodes of 48 hours from the vault follow and listen 48 hours on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1985, Bonnie Lou Nettles passed away at age 57 of liver cancer. Her partner, 54-year-old Marshall Applewhite, was utterly crushed. Bonnie was his best friend, soulmate, and fellow wanderer. Not only that, she was the spiritual heart of their cult, which at the time was called human individual metamorphosis. Marshall had the charm and charisma to attract new members, but most of their doctrines and religious practices had come from Bonnie. But the problem ran deeper than that. Marshall and Bonnie had projected themselves as Christ-like figures who'd be
Starting point is 00:29:29 assassinated by their enemies. Upon their deaths, they would be miraculously healed and transformed into perfect, immortal aliens. At that point, their most loyal followers would also become aliens, and they would all be carried up in a UFO to their heavenly homeworld. But Bonnie's death undermined everything. There was no assassination, just an ordinary death from a tragic disease, and no resurrection either. Marshall knew he needed to reframe what had happened,
Starting point is 00:30:03 So he began teaching that Bonnie's human form, like everyone else's, was just a vehicle. It was a temporary shell that she'd discarded when she no longer needed it. In other words, Bonnie wasn't dead at all. She'd simply graduated to a higher plane of existence. Not everyone accepted that explanation, and one of Marshall's followers completely abandoned him. But the ones who remained took Bonnie's death as a sign they should work harder to join her in the next realm. That included showing their commitment to the guidelines she'd set forth.
Starting point is 00:30:42 After she passed, some male members, including Marshall, took their vow of abstinence to the next level and were surgically castrated. If Bonnie were alive, she might have talked him out of it, but now he was the only captain aboard a ship lost at sea. And as the years went by, Marshall's teachings grew darker and more apocalyptic. He preached that Earth was corrupt and under siege by Luciferian forces, evil aliens bent on keeping humans trapped in their flawed mortal state.
Starting point is 00:31:19 The only path to salvation lay through Marshall. He claimed he received messages from Bonnie, who in her ascended state was now synonymous with, God. With her guidance, the group moved from Wyoming to New Mexico and then to Rancho Santa Fe, California. But Marshall's message was losing its appeal. At this point in the early 1990s, he'd started to preach that he wasn't just a prophet like Jesus Christ, he was Jesus. As for Bonnie, well, she was actually God, and she was waiting for Marshall and the others in heaven. For many of Marshall's followers, this latest version of events was a bridge too far, and they left the group.
Starting point is 00:32:08 With each passing day, the number of members dwindled, and by 1992 or 93, there were just a few dozen left. Marshall tried to stem the bleeding with occasional outreach. First, he mailed a booklet with information about the group to various new-age centers. Then he produced a series of satellite TV broadcasts sharing their message. And finally, he placed a large ad in USA Today on May 27, 1993. His efforts seemed to pay off. Before long, he had a few new recruits, including a woman named Gail Maider. Originally from New York, 21-year-old Gail had always wanted to be a fashion designer.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Eventually, she decided to open up her own service. store, selling knick-knacks and tie-died clothes. Her dad, Robert, helped fund the venture. But Gail didn't hold up her end of the bargain. Before long, she'd abandoned the shop and joined Bonnie and Marshall's new group. It would be several years before her parents heard from her again. And despite gaining a couple of fresh faces, 62-year-old Marshall knew the group was failing, and he was running out esteem. He saw the end approaching and decided he had one last chance. It was time to get on board the spaceship and take as many people as he could with him. In September 1994, Marshall made an announcement that sent shockwaves through the group. He claimed the time was coming for them to
Starting point is 00:33:46 leave Earth and journey to the next level, a physical version of the Christian heaven. But it would require a great sacrifice. They needed to abandon their human bodies entirely. Two members walked out right then and there, but the rest, about 36 in total, stayed. By that point they already considered themselves more alien than human. They believed that after death, they would evolve and join Bonnie in the next level. All they needed now was for Marshall to give the sign it was time to leave. That sign came in July 1995 when two amateur astronomers, Alan Hale and Thomas Bob,
Starting point is 00:34:30 discovered a comet in the night sky. The so-called Hale Bob comet would spend a year passing by Earth reaching its closest point on March 22, 1997. But the comet itself wasn't what got Marshall's attention. It was what came next. On November 14, 1996, a popular AM radio show called Coast to Coast with Art Bell hosted a special guest with big news about the comet. The show was known for hosting a who's who of conspiracy theorists, alien abductees, and
Starting point is 00:35:07 paranormal investigators. For much of America, arts radio show was just late-night entertainment. But for Marshall and his group, who had since changed their name to Heaven's Gate, it was practically gospel. That night, Art interviewed an amateur astronomer named Chuck Schramick, who claimed to have spotted an enormous object trailing the comet. Shramek had a photo that supposedly confirmed this. The next night, a political science professor named Courtney Brown called in with an even more extraordinary claim. Brown had founded a company specializing in something called Remote Viewing.
Starting point is 00:35:48 It's a paranormal ability that supposedly allows people to project their consciousness to other places and see things they wouldn't be able to otherwise. Brown said three of his remote viewers had visited the object traveling with the comet. They told him that it was a large,
Starting point is 00:36:06 climate-controlled, hollow capsule. In other words, an alien spacecraft. So, listeners, I'd love to hear from you. What's your take on Brown's claims? Or maybe some of you remember the comment. If so, what was your experience with it at that time? Were you able to see it? Tell us in the comments. Well, while many dismissed Brown's claims as outlandish, some euphologists and conspiracy theorists, including members of Heaven's Gate, hung on his every word. Marshall himself was enthralled by the comet as it swirled and twisted its way towards Earth. The whole world was tracking its approach, and by January 1997, you could see it with the
Starting point is 00:36:57 naked eye. Marshall sensed there was something special about this comet, so he did some kind of astrological reading. His results connected this comet with another comet that had approached in 1973, the year he and Bonnie became the two witnesses. Marshall was looking for a sign, and God, or Bonnie, had delivered. He became convinced that the spaceship supposedly traveling beside the comet was the UFO he'd been waiting for. If he and his followers were going to ascend to space and meet Bonnie in heaven, they had to seize this opportunity. On the heels of this Revelation, Marshall announced their departure was at hand. He and his 38 crew members would leave Earth on March 22, 1997, as the comet reached its closest point. In early 1997, the group began
Starting point is 00:37:57 their preparations with meticulous precision. Each member received a black track suit, brand-new Nike sneakers, and an armband embroidered with the phrase, Heaven's Gate Away to. team. This was both a nod to Star Trek and to prepare them to continue their mission once they got to heaven, which, again, they believed was a physical place in outer space. Their final weeks were spent tying up loose ends. They returned library books, spent the last of their money, and recorded farewell messages. These tapes were filled with serene goodbyes and heartfelt gratitude for their time on Earth. They referred to their impending suicides, not as deaths, but as an exit, a graduation from their flawed human existence to the next level. Marshall arranged for these exit videos
Starting point is 00:38:51 to be mailed to some of his former followers so they could tell the world what happened. He knew most people would never understand, but Marshall probably hoped that a few would hear his message and follow in their own time. The tragic event itself began on March 22, 1997, and unfolded over the next three days. Marshall and his followers consumed a lethal combination of barbiturates and vodka, dying in shifts so that those who remained could arrange their bodies with care. Each was draped with a purple shroud. Their clothes and other belongings packed neatly beside them.
Starting point is 00:39:34 65-year-old Marshall was among the last to go. His body stretched peacefully on his bed, dressed just like the others. They sat undisturbed for days. It wasn't until an ex-member received one of Marshall's farewell packages that anyone knew what had happened. He arrived at the Heaven's Gate compound on March 26th and immediately called 911.
Starting point is 00:40:02 The media of the United States. frenzy was immediate. With 39 people dead, it was the biggest mass suicide in American history. As soon as the identities of the deceased were known, reporters banged on the family's doors for interviews. This only exacerbated the grief felt by people like Robert Mayter, who was already devastated. His 27-year-old daughter, Gail, had once dreamed of being a fashion designer. Now she'd been destroyed by a religion he couldn't understand. Besides Gail, the youngest victim was 25-year-old Michael Barr Sando. He was a former paratrooper from Virginia, whose family had no idea he was in a cult
Starting point is 00:40:49 until they saw the news of his suicide. Other members had told their families about Heaven's Gate. 63-year-old Lucy Eva Pachow and 42-year-old Cheryl Butcher, both IT. professionals were in contact with their loved ones, and in the years leading up to their deaths, they insisted they were healthy and happy. The remaining victims came from a variety of backgrounds, including the arts, medicine, and media, but they were all united by a desire for community, purpose, and greater meaning. And Marshall Applewhite took advantage of that in the most terrible way possible.
Starting point is 00:41:35 In the decades since the Heaven's Gate tragedy, there have been dozens of books, movies, and documentaries, all seeking to understand what happened and why. Cults like Heaven's Gate live on in the public imagination, because at first glance, they just seem so strange. After all, how could anyone believe that Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Lou Nettel, were messengers like Jesus, that they'd find paradise on a UFO.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Were they charmed, drugged, or brainwashed? And why would they go to such extreme lengths just to prove their faith? In asking the question, the answer should already feel less strange. Ordinary people die and kill for their beliefs all the time. And sadly, this kind of emotional manipulation didn't end with Heaven's Gate. That's why we're launching a segment, Cult Watch. At the end of every cult-focused episode, we'll take a few minutes to shine a light on a modern-day group still active in the world today or in the news. Groups that may not make headlines yet, but should.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Because history doesn't just repeat itself. Sometimes it mutates. In Cult Watch this week, I'm highlighting the Zizians. This anarchist group got its start in Silicon Valley in 2019. Led by Jack Zizz Lasota, the Zizians follow a radical form of veganism and preach against the dangers of AI. The group, which started as an online forum, quickly became all too real. They're linked to at least six deaths, including a U.S. Border Patrol agent, a landlord, and two Zizian-associated individuals across several states from 2022 to 2025. Jack Ziz Lasota is currently in jail and was indicted on the possession of illegal
Starting point is 00:43:35 firearms in June 2025. But even though Jack is gone, the Zizians aren't. Like Heaven's Gate, decades before, these kinds of groups prey on vulnerable people. At their core, the victims of Bonnie Lou Nettles and Marshall Applewhite were lost souls, aching for a sense of belonging. In exchange for that, they traded their identities, their freedom, and their lives. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Vanessa Richardson, and this is conspiracy theories, cults, and crimes. Come back next week. We'll decode this episode together and hear another story about the real people at the center of the world's most notorious cults, conspiracies, and criminal acts. Conspiracy theories, cults and crimes is a crimehouse original powered by Pave Studios.
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