Money Crimes with Nicole Lapin - Reddit’s Creepiest Crime Stories

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

Alexis Linkletter and Sabrina Deana Roga break down four unsettling Reddit stories of creeps hiding in plain sight. A woman finds her sister's husband has written a novel confessing his obsession with her. A cousin's "innocent" DMs turn into a scam that nearly costs her her family. A wife discovers her husband's friend group has a disturbing party tradition — and that he's known about it all along. And in a story sent in by a listener, a nursing student reveals her own professor tried to kill a woman he was fixated on. Alexis and Sabrina react in real time, unpacking what makes each of these people so unnervingly hard to spot — until it's too late.Content Warning: This episode discusses sexual harassment, stalking, and obsessive behavior. If this is a sensitive topic for you, please proceed with care.For more, follow Crimes Of Reddit wherever you listen to podcasts: https://pod.link/1838511303If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow Scams, Money, & Murder to never miss a case! To hear episodes ad-free, subscribe to Crime House+. Join at crimehouseplus.com or if you’re listening on Apple Podcasts, tap “Try Free” at the top of this show’s page. Scams, Money, & Murder is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios.🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to other Crime House Originals Clues, Crimes Of Reddit, Crime House 24/7, Serial Killers & Murderous Minds, Murder True Crime Stories, and more wherever you get your podcasts!Follow me on SocialInstagram: @CrimehouseTikTok: @CrimehouseFacebook: @crimehousestudiosX: @crimehousemediaYouTube: @crimehousestudios

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where we include visuals that bring every case to life. Welcome back to Crimes of Reddit. Hello. This week, We've each pulled stories from Reddit, the most incredible ones you could find. We did it. And the theme for this week's episode, they're just the creeps. People who give us the creeps. We also have a story pulled from you guys on our subreddit at the very end. Yeah.

And honestly, I'm impressed with how active our subreddit has been. Yeah. I'm a little afraid to tell everyone that I have joined. I think we should tell people we've joined because then they'll be less mean because they know we're participating. and seeing all the comments. I have to say, I had my husband read it first. I was like, can you read it to make sure there's nothing that's going to send me into a spiral right now?

Yeah, if you want to be mean about us, create a different subreddit and do it there where we're not reading it. Yeah, call it, we hate crimes of Reddit. Pod. Or maybe just be nice to people. And if you don't like listening, go listen to something else. I don't know. This is Reddit.

I know. But this right here is a beautiful community of butterflies and ponies and raspberries and And now I'm thinking of raspberries and cream. I can take the criticism, make the subreddit. I read everything. I have to. You do? Yeah.

I can't help it. I'm sick in the head. It's a sickness. It is a sickness. But we are really excited about how engaged you all are in the comments of our YouTube videos on social media and also on the subreddit. So please keep sharing stories and confessing things to us. Yeah, because really it's working because we are sharing one of your stories today.

Yeah. We also, we were just talking during our lunch break today about how we want to do like a theme of an episode where it's like crazy interactions with celebrities. So. Blind items. Yeah. Celebrity crimes. Yeah. What, you truly there's the, what's the line from Mean Girls?

The limit is. The limit does not exist. Wow. All right. Good thing you're starting first because I think I need a minute for my brain to catch up to my mouth. We did just have a little rest. And I haven't heard the stories that Alexis has for today. And Alexis has not heard the stories or read the stories that I have for today.

So we're going to be reacting blind to one another's and asking all the questions that maybe you're asking while listening at home or while you're driving wherever you're driving to. Hell yeah. Can we do it? Let's do it. Before we get into the first story, we do want to give a content warning. There are mentions of sexual harassment, possible stalking, and obsessive behavior. So be advised. Let's get into our first door.

You ready? Yeah. What do you have? All right. Like we said, we're talking about creeps. Yes. People in our lives walking among us, the weirdos. There are way more than I would like there to be.

I know. So we're talking about some big ones today. Okay. Would I be the asshole for telling my sister about her husband's creepy as fuck novel about me? What? Yeah. Okay. Original poster says this.

I made a new throwaway account. to post this because I'm wildly conflicted. So you know it's going to be good when they had to make a sock puppet Reddit just to spell. A secret secret Reddit account. Right. Yeah. Backstory. My sister, four years younger than me and her husband

have been married for about two years, together for five. My now brother-in-law and I dated during high school. And it ended under circumstances that were not ideal. Wait, that's already a weird situation. As to gals with sisters, would this ever happen in your family? Literally never. Literally, never. Never. I wouldn't even date someone my sister like winked at.

Right, but in this situation, the original poster dated the man first. And to say that things didn't end well makes me feel like the sister should not have dated this guy if things didn't end well. Wait, this just brought up my, well, my very first boyfriend, his husband. His name was Guido. What? Yeah. And the way he asked me out, this is not the story I wanted to tell, but it's just my- Guido? The way he asked me out was, he sent a friend to come ask if I was Italian.

And if, because I said yes, then he was like, okay, do you want to date Guido? Anyway. Are you Italian? I am Italian. But not a lot. Well, my mom would like to say I'm 50% because she's 100%, but I'm like 32%. Okay. But the story I was going to say is my first like real boyfriend in sixth grade, Dylan,

I made a look. Dylan. I literally overheard, like, so out of like a movie, overheard him at his locker. Our lockers were annexed to each other. My locker door was open so he didn't know I was there. Heard him telling his friends. He was literally only dating me to get to my sister. Yeah. Cruel.

Yeah. And I haven't had a healthy relationship since. You know? Those formative years. Yeah. But my sister never dated him and would never have dated him. No. Yeah.

Delusional, Dylan. Anyways. Brother-in-law and I, I have not gotten along since he and my sister got together. My sister essentially believes I'm jealous of her for marrying my, quote, one who got away. Parentheses, he is not that. So our relationship, meaning original poster and sisters, has also suffered as a result. Well, it sounds like they already had a strained relationship. You'd have to do something like this. Yeah. Yeah. This whole situation is already fucked up. And yes, I'm pretty sure it's putting my therapist

kid through college, but that's not the problem right now. Recently, brother-in-law has begun reaching out to me more frequently. I've been very cautious, but after talking it over with people in my own life, chose to be more friendly toward him as part of an attempt at repairing certain aspects of my relationship with the entire family. Okay, so if I'm reading between the lines here, it sounds like this rift with a brother-in-law and sister has caused a wider rift in the broader family, which sucks. It does suck. Last week, brother-in-law asked if I would read a book he had written with the underlying implication that I would help him career-wise with his aspirations as a writer.

Out of politeness and curiosity, I said, sure, thinking I would perhaps get a good laugh out of it and a story to tell my publishing friends. The book. Okay. That makes it seem like he, okay. Because I was like, why would he ask her? But if she has publishing friends, I could see why it doesn't feel weird. Yeah.

That he's asking her to read a book. Yeah. The book? is about us, meaning original poster and brother-in-law. I don't know how else to put it. It's a quote, domestic thriller, so think gone girl, you, etc., about a man who realizes he has married the wrong sister, air quotes, and becomes obsessed with his sister-in-law. It's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. It doesn't exactly read like a manifesto, more like something you'd see on the subreddit men writing women, but aspects of the story were deeply unsettling to me personally.

on things that happened to me in high school and later. And I don't understand why he would give this to me to read unless he wanted to either creep me out or, as in the story, he intends to leave my sister and wanted to see if this would ellipses, Jesus, it's too weird to say, open a door with me, question mark. I know. Insidious, really. Yeah, this is messy. I, why not just have your sister read the book? Right. Be like, Hey, sis, want to see what your husband's writing? Is there an update? Well, she talks through that possibility. Okay. She says this. Here's how I'm conflicted. People have always used art as a form of cathartic healing. If a stranger hind me this book, I'd just say not my taste and move on.

That said, this is my sister's husband. And I found certain elements so skin-crawlingly uncomfortable that I almost didn't finish it. I can't believe she even fucking read it. I really can't. The curiosity kills the cat. I'm the cat. I guess. I just don't have the attention span for something like this. I also think part of me would be like, I can't read to read how terribly this is, you know. If you hated someone, it would be fun to read something. Yeah, how bad it is. Yeah. Yeah. That also said, this is my sister's husband, and I'm afraid, based on the past, that if I tell

her about this, she will flip out on me and not him, and or if she confronts him, will he just lie about this whole thing? And on the off chance that it's more than just tasteless catharsis, I don't want my sister to get turned into a skin suit. meaning like she's worried that this could potentially like she's worried something bigger is at play here if there's like a real disturbance with this guy because I'm like that's a leap because it would be one thing if he wrote this book and it is like a catharsis of or just an expression of oh i a thought a thought exercise of like what if and then he never shared it with anyone but the fact that he

asked original poster to read it feels very very very intentional and hey nudge nudge hint hint i like you i want to be with you right right so original poster went to dinner and came back and made a post and said wow i came back to a lot more replies than when i left i'm figuring out a way to move forward right now thanks to everyone who's commented i've read them all so let's go through some of these comments because people bring up some interesting points. Okay. One commenter says, I don't have a judgment here, but have you thought about asking him if your sister's read it or asking her? If she reads it and doesn't feel weird about it, or if he isn't bothered by the idea of you and her talking about it, then I would feel a little more confident that you're

reading too far into these coincidences. This girl is not reading into these coincidences. I agree. But I do think the commenter makes a good point, because if he is singling her out and she's the only who has read it, it does feel more purposeful, whereas like he's hiding it. But if he has had his wife, her sister read it, it feels like he's not really hiding it. 100%. I just like, people, especially adults, are always saying like, they didn't mean it like that or you're reading too into it. People are not stupid. People know exactly. Some people are stupid. Even stupid people in a situation like this would know exactly what they're doing. If they dated in high school and he has personal knowledge of her, traumatic things that happen her, and he's put that in this book,

it's to provoke her in some way. It's to do something. I just don't believe anything like that's innocent. Now, one Redditer had a very interesting idea for how to cover her ass if she wanted to talk to the sister about it and if they try to flip it on her, which I thought was just interesting. So the user wrote, write her a letter and date it, but don't give it to her. Also, save this Reddit post. If in the future she does find out and decides to go apes shit on you and thinks your reason for defending yourself, staying quiet isn't believable, show her this post, give her the letter. This covers your ass and shows that you've been feeling the exact way since the moment he handed you the book. Yeah, but I understand that, but I feel like if the sister were to get pissed off, she's just going to be pissed off. Your sister doesn't like you.

She married your ex, who it didn't end well with. There's drama there that we don't know about. Yeah. So another suggestion. from a commenter was, why not ask them to dinner and talk to them both about the book then? That way he can't twist things when your sister confronts him. That's assuming things are in a good enough place that she'd go to dinner with you. As a outsider, I love the idea of an awkward dinner for other people.

So I like this idea. I wouldn't do it. But I hate awkward situations. I would not do it. I hate confrontations. Yeah. I know. But that's why I'm saying as an outsider. Like I would love to be sitting at the table next to them listening in.

Yeah, absolutely. Now, here's another one. As weird and tough as this whole situation is, your sister probably deserves to know that her husband is probably planning on leaving her or at least no longer really in love with her. And regardless of how strained your relationship with her is, I want to believe she'll be on your side if you make it clear how uncomfortable, disgusted you are. And even if she didn't understand, the relationship's already strained. So why not just be open and be like, hey, this happened. I might be reading into it. but I feel like I need to express how I'm feeling about it to you because you have a right to know. Even if your sister gets pissed off at you, at least she then has the information. Yeah. And at one point, the original poster does like explain the book and it is really dark. It is really, really dark. Like what happens? I think she's really downplaying the idea that he just like brought up some personal things from high school. So in the story, the brother-in-law character attempts to leave my sister for me in a fit of rage,

sister either accidentally kills or purposely murders me. It wasn't really clear. And so he begins trying to arrange the same very specific traumatic incident I went through as a teenager to happen to the sister in hopes that it will make her psychologically become me, the sister he really wants. So basically, whoa, the sister being left murders the sister the husband really wants. And the husband's like, okay, I only have this sister left. So I'm going to traumatize her the same way that the one I wanted was so that she becomes like the one I wanted. Is it bad that I would totally read that book? It's kind of creative.

It's fucked up. But it's like it's really dark. Yeah. It's really dark. And it's like in a weird way the subtext is like, I want her to be like you. Jeez. She continues and says it's psychological torture porn, basically. It's fucking creepy.

Not least because it's written from a completely uncritical POV without much room for interpretation. The psycho is the hero. And in the end, he succeeds. It's pretty dark and was unbelievably unsettling. to read. Do I think this is something he'd do in real life? I mean, unlikely. The whole plot is preposterous. It's lifetime movie quality, if the lifetime movie were written and directed by Ramsey Bolton. It honestly crossed my mind that the whole thing might have been an elaborate troll attempt to freak me out because it literally uses my personal source of trauma as a plot device.

But 150,000 words is a massive amount of effort to troll someone. I mean, either way, It is invasive for sure using what actually did happen to her that he knows is traumatic and then forcing her to read it is, it's mean-spirited. Yeah. And, you know, as a result, because people, I think she really undersold how weird it was in her original post. And, you know, the comments really reflect that. Like, when commenter says, holy shit, tell her, give her the book, tell your immediate circle, tell your parents, get security cameras. Like, that's really strange. And also stop communicating with him at all.

I totally disagree with everyone telling you to give him feedback or ask him about it. People are saying, yikes, yikes. I just physically backed away from my monitor. The fact that he asked you to read it suggests that he's wanting to creep you out or at least get some sort of reaction from you. Yeah, I don't like him. It's really weird because it's like it's weaponizing intimate information he had from when they were in a relationship. It's secretive behind his wife's back. It's driving the wedge between these two siblings in a riffing.

already deeper. Like, it's all very insidious and being framed as something like, oh, I want feedback on my book. It's a lot darker than that. Is there any update as to where, like, do we have a current update? Do we know where they are? Everybody asked, please update us, please update us, please update us. But let's see. No, yeah, no updates after that. Damn. Which isn't good. And people were begging, begging for updates. But she did say, she did say this was a theory. away Reddit account because she didn't want anyone in a real circle, like, seeing this. And honestly, it's like she could have just backed away from this. Like, it's a traumatic situation.

Yeah. Or maybe she's lurking on the responses from her real Reddit account. Fair. But yeah, that's the hard thing with Reddit is that we sometimes are just left with cliffhangers. Yeah. And it's like, that was like our friend and now we're never going to talk to him again. Maybe she'll listen to this episode and create a new burner account and. and give us an update on our subreddit.

Yeah. And I just think it's just incredibly sad. And it's like I like to think that no matter what happened with my sister, I'd know how to fix the relationship. Yeah. But I remember that not everyone, you know, is like me or like you with their siblings. Like I would never let it get that bad. Right. But yeah, there's definitely stuff that predates this post that we don't know about and in their relationship.

And honestly, original poster, it's like she might not have had the choice. Like her sister might have done this and betrayed her. and that's that. And it sounds like, you know, in these families, it sounds like the family might have taken the married sister's side. And often the healthy person is considered the black sheep. Yeah. Because like people and dysfunctional families don't want it called out. They want to just live in their dysfunction. Yes. They don't want to deal. Bummer. Well, that is a creepy story. Yeah. All right. Are you ready for the next story? Yes. Creep me out, baby. Great. Four universities, four deaths, and four times the truth got buried under the institution that was supposed to protect it.

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This creep also hides behind, like, innocent messages. Am I the asshole for exposing my cousin's creepy husband to my entire family? And this was originally posted in 2022. I, 22 female, met my cousin's husband. So cousin is 24 female, husband is 26 male. Last July for their wedding. They live several states away, so in addition to meeting him for the first time, it was also the first time I had seen my cousin in a few years.

I instantly got a bad vibe from him, and he made several comments that rubbed me the wrong way. He told me I seemed like a wild child and said he would bet I'm a bad girl at my college. creepy. Bad girl. Oh, I can like hear the way that a creepy man says it too. Ooh. So when I hear creepy man, I think older man, and I know that's not accurate, but I'm trying to picture like a 27-year-old creepy man. Yeah. And did the original poster share her age? She's 22. He's 26. So not a big age difference. I just can't imagine someone close to my age being like, are you a bad girl at college? Also, it's your cousin's husband. Like, it's someone who you should be. be on a amicable friend basis who's crossing a line and being flirtatious and that's what makes it creepy. Yeah. It's crossing a line. Since meeting him, he has followed me on Instagram and sporadically sends me reels, which

I don't open. He comments odd things on my post like, looking good cousin thumbs up emoji. He even DMed me once saying, hey, I'll be in your state this weekend on business, LOL, which I never opened or responded to either. All of this definitely creep me out, but I didn't feel like I could say anything about it because my cousin and I aren't close. And I've always felt like she looks down on me because she is a devout Christian and I am not. So already, instincts is saying this is someone trying to cross the line. I'm trying to understand like the cousin looking down on an original poster, but not on her husband for saying things like bad gal at college.

I feel like she doesn't know. Okay. Fast forward to this week, one of those fake accounts on Instagram popped up with some of my pictures, and this fake account was asking money for X-rated pictures. So it was like a bot or someone stealing her photos, trying to scam people for money. The bio was in broken English. The pictures were poorly cropped screenshots of my two most recent posts, and the cash app was a random string of numbers and letters. The account just looked very fake, and men. Many of my friends sent it to me and reported the account. Of course, the one person who apparently fell for this scam was my cousin's husband.

I then got a very long, nasty DM from my cousin, telling me she had been very tolerant of my sinful lifestyle, whatever that means, but that this time I had gone too far. She said she didn't care that we were family, and so long as I was posing a threat to her marriage, I was no longer welcome in their lives. I calmly and politely responded that this account was not me, that I had reported the account to Instagram to be taken down, and I apologized for the apparent disruption to her day. She responded that she didn't believe me and said that she pities me for having such low self-esteem and would keep me in her prayers.

I'd be like, I'm good, keep me out of the prayers. Yeah. I lost it at this point. I called her stupid for falling for an account that was so obviously fake and said that her husband was clearly a creep, and it's embarrassing she even must. married him. I then sent screenshots of the months of DMs from him that I never responded to and concluded by saying, if your marriage is so easily threatened, get a divorce, don't take your

insecurities out on me. Shortly after that, I got angry phone calls from my mom and my grandma saying my cousin made an honest mistake and that my response to her was cruel and unjustified. Because apparently, my cousin showed everyone our messages and is humiliated by what I said, which if you're humiliated by it, stop showing the messages to people. Started it. Yeah. My sinful lifestyle? My mom is worried our relationship with that side of the family is now permanently damaged and that now I may not be welcome at future family gatherings because my grandma doesn't want the drama. I really don't feel like my response was that out of line, but since no one else agrees with me, I'm not so sure. So am I the asshole? No. Not at all.

Literally not at all. And I feel really bad that you have family members like this. in the fact that anyone would not see this for what it is, like a creepy dude stirring the pot. Like, why are these two women bickering when it's this guy's fault? That's my biggest thing is why is this husband not being reprimanded for the fact that he was actively trying to buy naked photos of his wife's cousin? Yeah. Yeah. And the wife is embarrassed.

And, you know, it's like you just got married. you're this like pious religious person, no shade to religious people at all. But this isn't how you communicate with people. And it's like, I can understand how you would be embarrassed being like, I'm supposed to know better. I'm supposed to be with like a great guy because I'm so religious and not sinful. And it's very, it's very frustrating that the people are taking her cousin's side because to email her for message her first and insult her. It's like how. call her a slut basically and be like, I can't believe you're selling photos.

Yeah. It's like, and then when she's pushed to the point where she reacts. She was provoked. Yeah. Correct. Then it's her fault. Tell grandma the truth. That other cousin won't be going.

Yeah. I do feel like this is one of the situations where sometimes the person who's the loudest ends up being empathized with the most when it's because they're so loud and because they're making such a. a stir about it, whereas the original poster seems to be like reacting and not making everyone, not getting everyone else involved in it. Yeah. But so the comments are kind of agreeing with what we said, no one's saying anything about how the husband tried to get pictures of you or tried to hit you up. You were not the asshole good red ends. Original poster said, I had a feeling he

only told my cousin because he tried to cash out the account and got nothing. Could be wrong, though. And so this is, that was a question I had. And I don't think the original postings, or has an answer necessarily, but why would the husband of the cousin confess that, or did the cousin find it? I was wondering that too, because I was going to be like, how do you know that he was the only person who fell for the scam? Unless, like, what if he hit up, what if he hit up the cousin he has a crush on and was like, where's my pictures? Right. Like, I sent you money. Where's my pictures? And then she's like, what the hell? Yeah. Or like, I'm I'm picturing, and we don't have this answer, but I'm picturing the husband and the cousin, like, share a bank account.

And there's, like, 20 charges, cash app expenses that are, like, ridiculously expensive. And she's like, what the heck is this? And then he's pissed and tells, like, your cousin's scamming me. I don't know. You have to be so stupid to admit it. Okay. And then I did like this comment because I do agree. This user said that you're not the asshole.

You and your cousin are the victims here. So really, neither of you should be blamed for this drama. your cousin fell for a scam account believing it was yours, though she could have listened a little bit more closely when you explained, and you didn't ask for all that attention from her husband. But they all feel sorry for her because she just found out that she doesn't have a quality man for a husband. I'm really at a loss for why you're being blamed for your honesty here.

And if your cousin was so humiliated by what you said, why is she showing the conversation to everyone? I also agree with that. Yeah, she's making it worse. Like more people now know that your husband's a creed. Yes. But also, for some reason, you're defending him and blaming it all on the cousin who did nothing wrong. Well, you know, it's like, they're newlyweds.

It's like, I could understand being extremely defensive. And when you are embarrassed and you're like trying to downplay so that people don't think your husband's in the wrong, like, your feelings can get hijacked. Like, I don't want to judge her because she's very likely being manipulated by the same husband or gaslit in a very extreme. extreme way. So it's hard to judge her. I totally agree that the women are the victims, but, you know, if someone told me that my husband did something, I would never punish them. No. I would never blame them or call them a liar or hold it against them ever. It would be hard because you'd be like hurt and jealous and not jealous, but you'd feel a kind of way, right? Like, oh shit, my husband's attracted. If he, you know, if the person who he hid on came to me, that would hurt. Yeah. But it's not their

fault. No. Yeah. And like they're trying to do the right thing. Also, I'm sorry, but if this man is trying to buy naked photos of your cousin, he is for sure subscribing to so many people's only fans and looking at nude photos all the freaking time. 100%. Yeah. Like look at this man's search history. It's not clean. No. Because there's a lot of free shit out there. That's also true. But if he's willing to pay for his cousin, who is he paying for? Unfortunately, we don't have a update really on this story. There was just a lot of comments, all agreeing that this husband is the one who's in the wrong. And then I did find, because I of course clicked on the user and searched other things. Nine months ago, the same user is dealing with a relationship. issue where they posted in relationship advice, is it normal that my boyfriend wants me to block everyone I have a history with after two weeks of talking? And I don't think that's normal. No. You do sound very beautiful, though. It sounds like you drive men crazy. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. Wow. I hope she figures it out. Me too. Because it's not your fault. You're so desirable. You're so perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Some mysteries have haunted us for centuries. Others are unfolding right now. How does a modern airliner with 239 people on board

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been nothing but nice to me. For the entire three years, I've known them. And before this, had never made me feel uncomfortable in any way. On Saturday, it was his friend's birthday. So we invited us to his party. At the party, there was a table full of gross things like you'd see on a survival show. And these men were paying some girls to eat these things, and they were filming it and laughing at them.

This is like torture porn. It gets more interesting. My husband intentionally kept me away from that side of the party, but at one point, I needed to use the restaurant, room and couldn't find him. So I ended up there, meaning on this weird side of the party. I'm so uncomfortable. When I was there, this random guy came up to me and tried to get me to eat one of the nasty

things. He was pretty aggressive about it. One of my husband's friends saw me and told the guy, not her. And then he asked me where my husband was and made a joke about how he shouldn't have let me out of his sight. Ew. This is giving like Epstein. It's really weird.

He then stuck to me like glue until we found my husband again, at which point he whispered something to my husband and left. I feel so repulsed and creeped out by the whole thing. I literally had a nightmare about the party. It doesn't help that I spoke to one of the girls. And she said she had no idea this was going to happen before she got there. The dilemma I have is that we see them often. We're supposed to see them in like two weeks.

But I feel so uncomfortable just at the thought of having to be around them, especially the host. And also, I'm sorry, but if this is the company he's keeping, that says a lot about him as well. Yeah. And the idea that she sidebarred with one of these women and said that, like, they didn't know this was going to be happening in furs that, like, they were hired and also misled about the context of, like, what they were being hired for? Or even just, like, the first time being invited to a party by these people. We'll see. There's more. Okay. Also, what are they eating? Do we find out? Oh, no. She said this, though. I feel like I'm doing a horrible job at explaining it, but the whole thing was extremely creepy.

I don't know how to tell my husband that she doesn't want to be around them anymore. Those friends are like family to him, and I feel like refusing to go will cause tension between us and make him feel like I'm forcing him to choose between me and his friends. Any advice? Which he should. Yes. So then after being asked for specifics about what was on the table, original poster says this. There were a lot of things, but I noticed live insects. eyeballs, bowl testicles, bowl testicle smoothies, and a pig's uterus.

Where do you purchase said items? From different places, I think. And why do you know? Well, I think because you can go to a butcher shop and be like, but I really don't know. I mean, I'm assuming. You can purchase those things at a butcher shop? I think you can get whatever, but I really don't know. I feel like there should be some restrictions there.

And live insects, you can get those at like pet shops because like people feed them to lizards. and stuff. Eyeballs, I don't know. I really don't know. So she said this. She's very considerate. I know there are probably places or cultures that eat this. I'm not trying to insult anyone.

I'm just saying the thing smelled really badly. I feel like they intentionally made it look as disgusting as possible. I didn't eat any of it. So maybe it tasted better than it looked. I don't think so. It's the circumstances of which this is being presented. It is a bunch of guys paying women and filming them to do it because they're getting a kick out of it. Yeah. It's not because it's part of their culture and it's something they do.

Right. And also, people were like, well, how do you know what it was? And she says that they were labeled with different prices listed next to it, meaning like, bull testicle, one price. Like, you get this much if you eat it. Pick uterus, you get this much. So this is like a very organized thing. Yeah. And what really unnerves me about it, all of it does, but filming it is really disgusting because like what are they doing with it? And clearly this is not original posters like partners first time going to a party like this. This is this is not, oh, this is the first time we're trying something like this out. They do this on a regular basis. Right. And I think the commenters, a lot of them wrote really insightful things. So one said, what the hell did I just read?

So your husband's close friends dehumanize and humiliate women. They take advantage of women needing money who have less wealth or status than themselves to lure them into this situation. They accidentally mistook you for a woman they were going to demean and bully, and now you're having nightmares. That, okay, that's such a good point because I've had this conversation with someone I was in a relationship in the past where I was like, the way you treat other women indicates to me that you have no respect for women. And if you feel that way about them, you absolutely cannot actually respect me as a woman.

Right. Like, we're all the same. Yeah. Or the fact that you are able to dehumanize or objectify women because you think they're less than by some superficial standard or like. Right. Yeah. That says a lot about how then he views you. Yeah.

So another commenter wrote, they're financially abusing and humiliating women and your husband either partakes in joys or excuses it. So that's the truth too. Yep. So that woman who said she had no idea what she signed up for, again, they're being, they're lying. And one user says, so they hired women to be at a party under false pretenses. That's so disgusting. I wouldn't even know how to respond. Another says, sounds like a low-rent, eyes-wide shut situation.

And a commenter replied to that, but worse, these guys are specifically about humiliation and degradation. They actually want to hurt the women. They also filmed so they can control them later. Right. Like, what is the escalation of this? Control them later or post those to various, like, porn websites and make money on. off of them. Right. You know, because like you can do that. Yeah. And like, then you get paid for the views and all those things. Yeah. So are we ready for the update? Yes and no, but yes.

I posted a few months ago about the creepy party my husband's friends hosted. I was supposed to see them two weeks after my original post, but I got out of it. My anxiety was sky high and it made me physically sick, so I had a legitimate reason for skipping the event. It took me a long time before I actually gathered the courage to say anything to my husband about what happened. What happened that day, even though he had been asking me multiple times before if I was okay. When I first told him he was super understanding and promised nothing like that would ever happen again. Why do I also feel like the husband was like soft launching this as a let's see how she reacts because maybe there's even more that he's doing with this group of friends that he wants her to be a part of or

red flags everywhere. Yes. Yes. And like these are lifelong friends. Like there's There's no version of this husband not at least knowing that this is something his friends get into. The original poster says, while he was upset when I told him I didn't want to be around his friends, he told me understood and he wouldn't force me. Also, he already knew what happened with the guy who approached me and asked me to eat a disgusting thing because his friend told him. All he would say was that he had handled it and it wouldn't happen again. He continued hanging out with his friends separately and eventually they asked him why I was never around anymore. Also separately, meaning is he going to more of these parties now without original poster? Maybe.

He told the truth to the friends about why the original poster didn't want to be around them anymore. They did reach out to apologize and justify the party, but I never responded to any of them. Also, this is like she spells apologize like she's in Australia or England, the UK. Okay. How do you, with an S? With an S. Okay. So I thought that was interesting.

I'm like, Australia, it's probably really disgusting. things are eating with all the bugs they have there. Things were starting to get better until recently. My in-laws hosted a birthday dinner for my husband. I asked my husband if his friends would be there, and he told me, no, it's just going to be family. When we got there, his friends were all there. Ew. I ended up leaving the dinner without telling anyone because I couldn't handle being around them when they were all just trying to act like nothing had happened. I did text my husband when I was in the Uber, but he was pissed at me when he got home for leaving the way I did. We had a huge fight, and I I ended up locking him out of our bedroom because he wouldn't drop it.

He's still angry at me over what happened, but I'm pissed at him too. During the fight, he said I needed to get over what happened and that his friends wouldn't hurt me. He kept telling me I had that... Wouldn't hurt her. That, like, distinction. Well, actually, one of them would. One of them tried. Tried.

You know? And also turning it onto her, also red flag. This is all bad. Yeah, very bad. He kept telling me I had nothing to be worried about because he was right there and he wouldn't let anything bad happen to me. I got really angry at him and asked him if I had nothing to worry about like I had nothing to worry about at the party because I was married to him. I asked him, would he still say that if we weren't married or if I would have been fair game to his friends then?

Right. He implied I had misunderstood what was happening at the party that I had worked myself up over nothing in that I was being ridiculous. Okay, gaslighting her. Yeah. One commenter gave really great advice that I'm like going to start saying to people who tell me fucked up stuff their partners do. What is it? Let's say your husband took you to this party three years ago when you're first dating. Would you have continued to date him after that? Nope. No. And granted, it's harder to get out of a marriage. It's not as simple. You took vows or whatever. But this is a really great point. But that's why I feel like this is even more manipulative. Like he knows that these parties and what is happening there is wrong, which is why he hid it from her for so long. Right. And they continue,

if you knew your new boyfriend attended disturbing parties when you first met, would you have kept dating him and eventually married him? Or would you get the fuck out of there as fast as you could and never speak to his friends again or him? One person posted another thing and it relates to sort of what you said about the Epstein thing. Yeah. They said, this is rich people sport, by the way. Like, rich people, and that's the feeling I get too. It's like rich people are so bored by the things that normal people think are great and get them excited.

Like, they're so bored by everything. And that's why they start having to, like, humiliate people. people to get amusement. And not all rich people are like that, but there's enough evidence of it. Yeah. Or it's like even with adrenaline junkies and not to the same extent, but like once you reach this high, you kind of are chasing it. And so you keep pushing the boundaries.

Yeah. To see what else you can do because you want that feeling again. Yeah. And I think just the filming of it too, it's like putting any of that on the record is really fucked up for the victims in the situation. The like, what's that movie about the woman who wants to get revenge on the guys who assaulted her? And so she like puts them in the same situation. Well, there's a TV show about it right now called Furious.

Have you seen it? Oh, I haven't seen it. Yeah, with Emmy Rossum. We're literally, it's a girl who was trafficked when she was little. And one of her friends died, like, through the trafficking and the abuse. and she's basically hunting down everyone who was at these like Epstein level parties and murdering them. So she's like a serial color.

It's really interesting. And Emmy Rossum is playing the, an FBI agent, like working on the case. It also reminds me of the scene in the Odyssey when Cersy is turning the men from pigs back into human form. And she's like, back to your disguises now because the man form is actually the disguise. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah.

Damn. Damn. And there's no update as to like, are they together? Did this work out? But honestly, these are a young couple, some of these. And I'm like, you're 28 and you're already having these problems. It doesn't look good. No, that makes me really sad. It makes me sad too. And I feel like I don't know, like legal jargon. And also we don't know for sure where this is. But like I feel like what's happening at these parties has illegal elements. Especially in places, like other countries are a lot more strict than we are. With this kind of abusive like content. So yeah, tell the please. Let's create a sting. Yeah. Sting operation. That's right. Well, Chris Hansen it.

Yeah. Are you ready for our last story? Because this is submitted by someone who listened to the show on our subreddit Crimes of Pod. I'm so excited because this is aspirational. We wanted to tell listener's stories. Yeah. And it's happening already. And we already have, we have so many stories people are posting on there.

And don't worry, we will be reading more of them in future episodes. But yeah, brace yourself. I can't wait. This one's wild. It is called my professor tried to kill a student. Oh my God. My pharmacology professor in nursing school tried to kill a former student he had a crush on during my semester. It was crazy.

We were a class of mostly naive female nursing students who looked up to this man. We would go up to him and ask questions about our patients during breaks. And one week he was lecturing to us. and the next, his picture was on the front page of our local paper. Elliot Kwok somehow wasn't tried for attempted murder, something lesser. He went to prison, but he's out now, and not only does his wife at the time still believe he's innocent, but he's working as a pharmacist in California. It blows my mind.

I blame him for having the money and connections to pay good lawyers. This happened in 1996, but fortunately there is still at least one link to the story. So we found a news article link because that was the way. the post on our separate it. We have the news article link. I also found the appeal, which gave so much detail into the initial crime. But I'll read the news article and then we'll go into some of the stuff from the appeal. I'm on the edge of my seat. That's crazy. The details are crazy. Yeah. And the fact that he was able to go back and work and live a normal life. And he's still alive. I looked him up. He lives in California and I think he's 74. Okay. So this is the news article.

The Chief of Pharmacology at Kaiser Oakland was described as a lonely man who was obsessed with a Walnut Creek nurse and tried to murder her after breaking into her house, according to grand jury transcripts, unsealed yesterday. Elliot Kwok 43 had wooed Desley Lawrence for months, giving her presence, driving by her home, asking her for photos, despite her saying she was not interested in a romantic relationship. Lawrence testified during the secret hearing earlier this month. Lawrence said, I felt very sorry for Elliot because he seemed shy and lonely. She said she remained friendly with Kwok and had dinner and occasional outings with him. I did enjoy his friendship, but I said, if you want more than that, you need to find somebody else. Lawrence said she thought Kwok understood her position, but prosecutors presented witnesses who showed that Kwok secretly got a key to Lawrence's house, programmed a garage door opener to get into the garage of

her house last winter, without her permission. On March 6th, Lawrence was awakened at about 3 a.m. by someone strangling her. The assailant was playing a tape recording of someone saying, I'm going to kill you. A tape recording. Lawrence said, I thought I was dreaming. I thought, I'm going to wake up. Lawrence testified saying that her assailant pulled her by her neck onto the floor and straddled her.

And then, by the time I was on the floor, I thought to myself, my God, this is really. happening. Lawrence said she thought the attacker was a drug-crazed intruder, and she struggled with him, biting his thumb and then hitting him numerous times with a clock radio and a telephone before fleeing to a neighbor's house. But instead of a stranger, police discovered Elliot Kwok bloody and beaten in Lawrence's bedroom. Quack was admitted to John Muir Medical Center for treatment, and the following day he told a police guard that he was not trying to hurt Lawrence. Instead, he claimed that he and Lawrence were romantically involved and he had plumbed. He had planned a night of kinky sex.

I just wanted to have fun. I'm 43 years old and thought it would be fun. Bowers quoted Kwok as saying. I said to him, it didn't look like you had too much fun. Quok told Bowers, who's the deputy sheriff, that Lawrence had misunderstood the recording, which he said was from a movie and that it was meant to be funny. I'm going to kill you.

He said he planned to tie her up and take photographs of her. and Kwok said Lawrence had given him the keys and garage door opener, but Lawrence denied that. After a two-day hearing, grand jurors handed up an indictment charging Kwok with attempted murder and burglary. Quack, who is free on a $2 million property bond, pleaded not guilty Thursday in Contra Costa Superior Court. This is unbelievable. I mean, normally I have thoughts, but I'm just in shock. And so that article says a lot already, but then I found in the appeal because it goes through literally everything about their relationship. So the attempted murder happened March 6, 1995.

He filed for an appeal in 1998, and it shares so much more information. So apparently, he brought with him a duffel bag containing a video camera, a Polaroid camera, a bottle of whiskey, a piece of wire cut from a coat hanger, a flashlight, a can of topical anesthetic spray, that taped dialogue from Beverly Hills Cop 2, and a condom. Oh, okay. Well, I guess if you're being safe, like, that's insane, but go on. He also took considerable pains to prevent his identity from being discovered and to ensure that his seratipious entry would not be detected before he could spring his surprise. So he wore dark clothing, gloves, and a ski mask, and drove a car which Desley had never seen before. So that, like, if she drove past it, she wouldn't be like, oh, that's his car.

He parked around the corner from her house, covered the license plate with an old plate he had in his garage. And because Kwok knew that Desley had a part-time housemate, he also rang the doorbell before entering and breaking into the house to make sure no one was home. After entering the house, he gathered a number of additional items to use in playing out this surprise, including a pillow, which he stuffed in his sweatshirt to make him look fat. He also gathered a large kitchen knife, a martingale, which is a brittle-like piece of equestrian equipment that she kept in her garage. He had a roll of duct tape, a pair of her panty hose, and a pair of her panties.

And also, Desley was working until 11 p.m. Sunday night, but unexpectedly ended up working much later. So when he broke into the house and she didn't arrive by 11 p.m., he fell asleep in a spare bedroom and did not wake up until after 3 a.m. by that time, Desley was home and asleep. So she went home, not knowing that he had a really broken in and was asleep in a spare bedroom. So he was initially charged with attempted murder for the March 6th, 1995 attack, first degree burglary for entering the house during the March incident, and first degree burglary for secretly entering the house on February 24th prior to the incident to obtain the key. So his whole appeal was basically, I entered the house temporarily removed the lock back in February. had a key made, returned that lock back to the house, and then broke in March, but he said he didn't permanently steal the lock, so there's no theft.

The jury did acquit him of attempted murder, but convicted him of the lesser offense of assault by means of force likely to produce great bodily injury. The appeal was denied, but yeah, I looked him up. He's 74 now, still living in California. and according to our original poster on Reddit, still working as a pharmacist in California. That's insane. It's insane because I would assume

even the lesser charge is a felony. So pharmacists can be convicted felons. Like, that surprises me. No, it's crazy to me. There's so many things you can't do if you're a felon. But apparently... You can't even go to Canada. Yeah.

Like, so it's like, but you can mix my medications. Yeah. And also I think about how many people he's interacting with, like, young people who are going to pick up their prescriptions. He knows all of their information. He knows what medication they're on, their address. Like, really. Family members. Yeah. Yeah, it's really disturbing. And it just sounds like the kind of crime you don't do once. Like, it really is very similar to, like, Golden State Killer type shit what he did with his, with his assaults and his rapes. Had she not been able to bite him and hit him

over the head and like physically beat him, she would have been dead. Well, it's funny. It's like in his head because, you know, people are delusional. And he's like, if I can get away with this without her knowing who I am, then I don't have to kill her, you know, and I'll have this video of her and I'll have this experience and this fantasy. It's like probably the thinking with the pillow and his shirt to make him look fat. But yeah, had she identified him at some point, then he would have had to. Right. You know? Because she didn't know it was him until the police found him in her bedroom. It's just so traumatic.

It's unbelievable. Horrible. And like, okay, you can't even be nice to somebody without them thinking that, like, they're going to do this. Like, how she was like, I wanted to be friends. And she set a boundary so many times and thought he understood. Unbelievable. That is a shocking story.

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