Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin - Breaking News on Inflation & David Meltzer on Making Millions and Working with the Real-Life Jerry Maguire

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

This week Money Rehab is being guest-hosted by Peter Tuchman, trader on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange and host of the MNN podcast Trade Like Einstein. Today, he breaks down how the latest inflation data moved the market. Plus, in the second part of the episode, you'll hear Peter's conversation with world-class entrepreneur David Meltzer. David shares how he made, lost and made back millions; the best advice he got on business and what it was like to work with the real-life Jerry Maguire (Leigh Steinberg). Subscribe to Peter's podcast Trade Like Einstein wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Follow Peter here. Recorded Tuesday, 12.10.24. All investment strategies involve risk of loss. The content you hear on this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial advice by our hosts or by Money News Network.  

I'm Nicole Lapin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Hey everybody, it's me, the Einstein Wall Street from the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to be your temporary host sitting in for Nicole Lapin of Money Rehab as she is on maternity leave. We're going to be doing episode after episode every day of What the Heck's Going On, giving you a forensic breakdown of what's happening into the market as we end 2024.

And stay tuned for some of the best interviews I've done since the beginning of this show in 2024 in food, in fashion, in finance, and fun. We'll be seeing a lot of you, so stay tuned. Three, two, one. Hey, everybody, it's me, the Einstein of Wall Street. We are here with Trade Like Einstein. I am Peter Tuckman, and we're here on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange in the balcony. History is made in this building every single day.

Somebody with my long-term experience up in here for 137 years, it is my responsibility to help teach you how to navigate this market successfully. Boom! Hey everybody, it's me, the Einstein and Wall Street from the Florida New York Stock Exchange. What a spectacular day for the last two days. Right? Let's go over it, man. Let's forensically break this down because it is so significant. Friday, we hit record highs, okay? Record highs due to the, we've been a little bit flat for a

couple, maybe a week and change, right? I told you that eight out of eight times in the presidential cycle, right, we used to have our market rallied into the election and then we had a little bit of a follow-through on the election then we had the market pull back until November 21st 22nd when we started revving up towards the November black Monday, Black Thursday, Black Friday, you know, big Thanksgiving sales. And so we followed that thing for the ninth time. And then what you end up seeing is Santa Claus comes, the market tends to flatten out as it kind of gets its bearings for the end of the year. And then Santa Claus comes to town and we

have a rally into the end of the year. Well, nine out of nine it's happened once again. Market rally beautifully coming into the election. Nice rollover the first two days, three days after the election. We had up 1200 points after the election and we had deferred the next couple of days. That was sort of a relief rally. And then we had probably a couple of days of a Trump rally. Right, and then the market sort of flattened out and pulled back for a couple of weeks trying to get bearings,

all things waiting for the unemployment numbers and the payroll numbers that came in last week. And they really, they do not disappoint, right? The numbers came in on Friday. They were good, not great enough to take the interest rate cut at the next Fed meeting off the table, but good enough to make the market rally into record highs on Friday across the board. So just a few days ago we were at record highs. Then we had Monday and Tuesday. Market started to pull back. The reason market pulled back on Monday was all about Nvidia. Nvidia was being

accused of some monopoly trying to take over and corner the market in AI I guess. And so that kind of took down the whole market with it. We know that happens very often. Seen it with Walmart, seen it with Tesla, seen it with NVIDIA, when an individual stock, which carries so much weight in an index, and just in the psychology of the marketplace, right? There's some stocks that everybody gets, they've gotten their attention, and when they do that,

everyone throws the baby out with the bathwater, right? And so the market tends to get flushed out with it. Well, that's happened on Monday, right? An attack on Nvidia around the monopoly question on Monday. And so the whole market kind of fell out of bed. When those days happen, I always say to people, look, if nothing's fundamentally changed, let's take that stock out of the equation and not really overreact.

And those are the days where the opportunities lie. If the market sells off around one stock, but we've got everything else getting dumped with it, and you didn't want to pay top dollar for the names you've been looking at, stocks where you like the people, the process, the product, and the profitability, right? The 4Ps, then go after those names on those days, right?

Because nothing is fundamentally changed. Find an opportunity and scoop stocks at a discount of $5 or $10 that you didn't want to pay top dollar for when the market has these little bit of pulls back. It's Monday, Tuesday. I said it to you if you go back to the videotape, right? Like Warner Wolf back in the day, I said don't get excited about these days. We're off 150 on the Dow, 25 on the S&P. It's nothing, nothing to be worried about. I believe that we're gonna have some numbers coming in on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday and I believe they're going to be good. So hold

your ground and if you listen to me, and I'm not your financial advisor, right, disclaimer, disclaimer, disclaimer, but it turned out to be right. CPI came in this morning, right, looking for 3.3, came in at 3.3, did not disappoint. Expectations were delivered and the market rallied. Then we've just had, you know, it was probably a bit of a short cover. We opened up about 25 handles.

We ended up closing up 55 handles, right? A spectacular rally, beautiful, beautiful, solid rally. Today was the first time in history, once again, that NASDAQ closed above 20,000. That is a huge landmark. Some people say that Dow is no big deal. 40,000, 50,000, whatever it may be. But NASDAQ closing above 25,000. 20,000 is significant. Amazon, Google, Meta, Netflix all closed at record highs. Not 52 week highs, record highs today and that's what took the Nasdaq to a 20,000 point close. We closed at 20,032. That is huge. So not only have we had 54 record highs across the board in the markets, not only have we are trading at a record high in the Dow, not only have we taken the S&P to 61, just almost 6100, but now we have taken in the Russell

trading at record highs, but we've taken the Nasdaq, the great tech sector of all time, to a close above 20,000, first time in history. That's all I got to say about that. Ladies and gentlemen, it is beautiful to be with you. Trade like Einstein, Money News Network. I love it. I love it. Love it. You've got to be in it to win it. Check it out. Have a great holiday. I love you. Hold onto your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more Money Rehab. And now for some more money rehab. Hey everybody, now that we've done the wrap up on What the Hex going on, episode 9,487, please stay tuned for one of my favorite interviews of the year from 2024. It's me, Beyoncé and the Wall Street from the balcony here at the New York

Stock Exchange. Ladies and gentlemen, I have interviewed millions of people all over the world in finance, in fashion, in every puzzle, genre and sector in this world. But rarely have I ever had anybody who was this meaningful in my life than this gentleman here. I always get emotional about it. So it's important for you guys to know that this is David Neltzer, one of the most powerful people in social media, in life, in joy, in kindness, in literally everything. So when I was, you may not know this, but in March 15th of 2020, I got COVID. I was like patient zero. And soon after that, I ended up getting meningitis

and I was given like, I don't know, two weeks to live or something. Kind of crazy like that. And, you know, as God does his amazing work and social media does the rest, I was sitting at home in bed and my Instagram pops up and there's a feed and it says, you should probably get to know this person.

And it was an interview of David with someone else. And I watched it and it was one of David's unbelievable inspirational motivational videos that he does. And it just kind of clicked and connected to me. And I reached out to him and said, I don't know if you know who I am. And he said, yes, I do. And we got on a phone call immediately.

I didn't even know that you could kind of do that on social media. And we ended up forging a relationship. And we've been friends ever since. And so that, for me, is like one of those godly god moments, a god shot in every possible way, like God interrupting my death. So anyway.

a god shot in every possible way, like God interrupting my death. So anyway, David Meltzer is an extraordinary human being in so many ways. He's had an amazing journey. We share so many different things in common in our messaging and the story that we love to tell the world, which is all about success and failure, how very often we learn much more from failure than success. And we've had our own share of plenty of that share of that in our lives. And so look, I think it's important for you all before or after this interview to go read up on David Meltzer, find out more of his story,

because I can't tell the whole thing here in this short interview, but it's super important for you to know everything in the nooks and crannies of where he came from, his journey, what it was like, what happened in his life and what it is like now because it's extraordinary. If any of you are struggling or any of you are looking for

the really the big brighter picture in life, this gentleman will help you get through that and share with you every bit of inspiration and motivation that you need. I am honored to have you here on the Stock Exchange. Thanks for coming. Look, you've done millions of interviews and you've interviewed lots of people. And you know, there are some, everybody, you know, has heard about some of your, you know, biggest, biggest failures and biggest successes and whatnot.

They're parts of the story that I've never heard. And so I really wanted, first of all, I'm honored. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. Yeah. We should be honored. I'm a Einstein fan in so many different ways, but the Einstein of Wall Street's even better

than the Einstein of Princeton. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, true, I hope so. Look, I'm picking up where he left off in so many ways. So, and look, I'm not that smart. I know I look like him. Trust me, I'm picking up where he left off in so many ways. So and look, I'm not that smart. I know I look like him. Trust me, I'm not that smart. But anyway, so let's go back.

Describe to me the 20-year-old David Meltzer. 20-year-old David Meltzer. I get choked up thinking about it. Wanted to be rich. That's it. So I'm in a good place here. Because I think a lot of young 20 year olds that were around stock exchange That's why they were here. They thought money would buy them happiness and for me

I wanted to buy my mom's house. I grew up What a couple of saps we are that's okay But everything in my head my identity was about what my bank account was going to be. And I was in college, playing sports in college, but wanting to figure out how I was going to make the most money with my life to take care of my mom. Was that a function of sort of the the your relationship with your dad growing up and stuff like that. My dad left. So I have six kids in a two-bedroom apartment, mom working two jobs. She literally would pack our dinner in a paper bag and then fill up journey styles and community stories with greeting cards so we could eat. But education was super important to my mom. They said it was

all worth it. I believed, they did very well. I was blessed. But I just wanted to make a lot of money. My entire identity was around money, and that carried through until about my mid-30s. And so it really was a significant thing. My nickname in college was Money Money. The first touchdown I scored in college, I flipped the ball to my coach, and I said, money money. I think that maybe everything was about money.

Okay. So from college, you graduated college, what was it like? What? How did that go from there to be working at sports? One market? Sure. Well, I wanted my mom had a saying like probably your mom did or this doctor, lawyer or failure. So I knew I didn't want to be a doctor. I hated hospitals. So I did my research. My oldest brother gave me this great piece of advice, which I say all the time, be more interested than interesting. So when I wanted to be rich, I did my research, my oldest brother gave me this great piece of advice, which I say all the time, be more interested than interesting. So when I wanted to be rich, I did my research on law schools to find out what type of lawyer

makes the most money. I didn't care what kind of lawyer, oil and gas litigators made the most money. Tulane University had the leading item to law program. That's where I went. That's where I graduated. And ironically, when you want wanna make the most money, you don't care what you do. So I was always,

even though I got an oil and gas litigation job back in 1992 for $150,000 a year plus a lot of money, I took a sales job in legal research online from what's publishing for a $250,000 comp plan to sell. I have a multiple stream of revenue. Even though my mom said they didn't know it for a $250,000 comp plan to sell. They have a multiple stream of revenue. Even though my mom said they didn't know it was a fad, don't do it, 1992.

So I ended up selling in nine months out of law school. I gave my heart and soul to everything to selling. I was a millionaire nine months out of law school. The internet wasn't a fad. We exited the Thompson Reuters in 95 for $3.4 billion, which was a huge exit. Set my career in a different trajectory, I went up to the Silicon Valley. I was really curious about branding myself as a technology guru. And so I learned to raise money on Sand Hill Road, which was a superpower, still is a superpower.

I do it mostly for charities now, but I raise a lot of money. And I learned how to do that in my 20s on San Diego road during the internet boom. By 99 I was CEO of Samsung's since Samsung's phone division, the first Windows device, it was a convergence device, not a smart phone. They ended up being smartphones, they called them. But ironically, you talked about the universe saving your life. Right? The reason I got hired by Lee Steinberg, the famous sports agent Terry Maguire, right was not because I

was a frustrated athlete. It was a Jewish lawyer, which there was thousands of us that were in a steinberg. It was because I had two things that no one else had. I had a technology background at the highest level as a senior early on the beginning of technology. Yeah. So and I also was a venture guy. I knew how to raise money. And so we saw the future of sports in venture, in technology, not representation.

He was a visionary, which made him Lee Stuyberg. So that's why I got hired in 48 hours after meeting Lee Stuyberg, because I was what he was looking for. And he would always say the universe brought you to me where I met Warren Moon in quarterback, ironically a hero of mine since 1978 when on the radio I listened to him as the first black quarterback to be the MVP of the Rose Bowl and literally beat Michigan, I'm a state fan, so I loved him. And he ended up being my business partner in sports world marketing. So that's an, and we never hear that part of your story because we always hear about the fast track to when you had everything and then you lost everything.

Well, what's important for people to notice, because I didn't know that about you. And what it's clear, you just told us at what point it was early on, you know, some people like, you know, are born like alcohol, like some people are born with some good things and assets, some are born with liabilities. It sounds to me like those qualities that have made you you are now and have participated and been the components to your success and failure were in you at such a young age. It was sort of, it was forged by trauma.

It was forged by, by, by just content and watching your mom. Because that idea, I think my superpowers, I, and Bob Harson said it best to me, he's the founder of GoDaddy, exited for 4 billion himself. He said, if you can learn to love what you do, and I rolled my eyes in the interview, I'm like, you'll never work a day. But he didn't say that. He said, if you can learn to love what you do and learn to love what you don't love and don't like, and you can learn to love what other people don't love and what they don't like, and you do it

consistently, every day, enjoy. And you do it without quitting, it will tell you all its secrets. So from enjoying? Yeah, learning to enjoy what people look like. So I remember sitting in second year law school at Tulane on my bed, my oldest brother passed the ray of AIDS. He was a doctor. I had law loans that I didn't know how to go pay back.

There was a recession in 1991 92 And I sat on the edge of my bed and I told God said you love to pay off my wall I was troubled shift of money. That's a 12 hours a day six days a week in gratitude Like a little not right now. It's not a pretty quote quote. It was for grad, right? Yeah, and every day since then, everything was better than what I was willing to do to buy my mom a house. And still, everything I get to do, I still have that baseline

that I am willing to do that enjoy. I have figured out how to learn to love some of the most awful times, most awful things in my life, to find the life and love and lessons in it. And I am a student of gratitude and forgiveness. And I think those two things raise our awareness of global given. See, here on the side of exchange, there's a bunch of people believe the more you give, the more you receive,

right? I believe you don't think I'm teaching it's really the more you give the more you you receive. Right. And I believe that. Yeah. But you don't think I'm teaching you. It's really the more you give, the more you're given. So let's elevate our awareness through gratitude and forgiveness and what we're given. Even when we're dying on our bed. Right. You were looking for what you were given, not for to receive anything.

You were just looking. And when we do that, then we have to work on something that you need to work on. It's receiving. Then, because people, oh, it's okay. I feel bad. It feels like they're teaching me that. Cause that's what creates the value add room. If you really believe that there's more than enough of everything to everyone.

Yeah. So here's how I believe I give everything I have. I'm going to be given more. I'm going to receive more. I'm going to ask for more than more from people who have Then there's abundance. Then I have more than more and I'm giving more than more to give given more to receive more than more to ask for more than more. You see I end up with more than more than more of everything where everyone else ends up in a zero sum game because you and other people that I've met like you that are beautiful my first responders just generous kind people they, they give 100% but then they only, oh what, you know what, I'll only take 98% because that's enough for me. Well, your new 100%

becomes 98%, it's a zero sum game, you end up at zero sooner or later. You know what, that relates to so much, one of my biggest messages to young people when I talk about the stock market is investing in stocks and not stock. We are like the most, the largest consumer generation probably in history. We want what we want when we want it. Right? I always have joked and I do it myself. I see something on Instagram that I want. I'll go to buy it and then it will offer me maybe a $19 item and then it will say, well, if you want it, if you want it delivered yesterday, you can pay $25 to have it gotten there quicker. So I'm paying more to have what I want when I want it for the thing

that it would have no value. But you're describing that, that we don't really think of the value of time, first of all, as something we'll never get back, and also to think about that we are buying things. We need things. We think we need things. And there's just want and need and what that equation gives us at the end, which is getting things that the minute we own them, they actually start to lose value. And so that's a mindset that I try and teach people that let's say

you have the iPhone 12 and there's nothing wrong with it, but the iPhone 13 just came out and I need it, I want it, I have to have it. And that urge as we know also urges on, walk around the block, have some chocolate, you won't urge it, you won't need that thing as much. And think about it, if you don't buy that iPhone 13 but you buy three shares of Apple stock, suddenly you're going to be walking around, not with the flashiest phone, but you're going to be able to show people that you actually, the possibility that you bought something, that the minute you bought it has the potential to go up in value and all that. So look, every minute with you is just so exciting for me. I wanted to know, when you went up to your interview with

Mr. Steinberg, was it like, did everybody tell you you couldn't do it, you're crazy, don't go up there, he's going to send you away. You know, I'm confronted by young people who always say to me, I can't go talk to them, I can't knock on that CEO's door, I'm not good enough for that, that whole self-esteem thing that people are afraid and I always go, there's no door, what's going to happen? The worst thing that will happen is, I'm sorry, there's no spot for you right now. Good luck and have a nice day. Right? There's no door that you can't go knock on. Did everybody tell you you can't do that?

For sure. I actually went even I wasn't looking for a job and he wasn't hiring. I went to go help him. I had a friend that you know, they're having difficulty with magic Johnson in a reality show for showtime. And I just volunteered because I wanted to meet him and they're like my wife was extremely concerned like why are you wasting your day going up to help this guy with his show and talk to Lee Steinberg I said because I can actually help Lee Steinberg and I know when I help people you see my main objective is would it help you if or do you know anyone that could help me this is what I asked right right this is how it is I want to add value and so sure enough I

didn't know everything going on with me at the time but he had never met anyone like me he said because I came in unconditionally hey he asked why I was asking well this guy's my friend who told me he's having a difficult time getting the deal done with you I told him I thought I could help him he thought it was a good idea that I just joined the meeting he's's like, that's really nice. And then he said, tell me a little bit about you. And kind of hit it off. I want to get to that point because we talked about buying things you don't need for instant gratification. But also people buy things. And this is a huge void that you don't need to impress people you don't like. There's a big void right between I am and this is what I

want people to think I am. And things are so easily accessible to allow people to think we're something we're not. And I think what you stand out on social media to me, and I try to do the same thing, is that people will meet you and say, Oh my gosh, you're exactly the same. Right? I'm not standing in front of shit I don't own. You know, I'm not around amazing people, but I'm not posting pictures all day. I'm just posting words that I know would have helped me when I was 20 years old. And look, the worst thing that can happen

is you're gonna learn something. It's not even gonna know. Like I don't even, like I am a big asker. I still ask, people ask me, how the hell did you lose over $100 million? I never ask for help I I if I just want to come to you and I Sincerely mean this that at the time that I was worth over 100 million dollars If I would come walk in here and said I heard of this guy who's the oldest broker on the floor

Can I talk to him a few questions and just say here I have all this money, here's how right now I'm investing it, what should I do? I promise you, I'd be the one donating a billion dollars to Einstein's Medical School right now. Right now in my 50s. Now I'm gonna get there now because I have your help. But I know that's true, I just never asked for help. You'd be willing to help me, you would have thrown me out. 100%. And I want to go back to what happened when you lost everything and had to reinvent yourself. But also you're known on the street, people know who you are. You have embarked on this amazing journey. Everybody go read about this because there'll never be enough time that you've decided that your life long goal is to

make one billion people, one person at a time happy. Over a billion people, right? And bring joy, right? Which is so important. It's something that I learned from my parents Holocaust survivors who came out of the darkest moment on earth surely and were able to forge an incredible love and friendship and told me that joy and love and kindness will overrun any of the dark, evil negativity that any devil can ever think of. But people will come up to you, people will come up to me, I now get noticed on the street, I love it, it's a lot of fun and whatnot. They won't even introduce you, and something I learned from you is the connection. They'll walk up to me and they won't say hello, they won't say their name, they'll just go, can I take a selfie with you? And I learned that, I don't know if it was maybe

a from Ziva and Michael, Magic Johnson, somebody I saw an interview, they said, so they get to take a picture with me, they'll walk away, and they will have achieved absolutely nothing except maybe posting a silly picture of me and them on the internet as opposed to introducing themselves saying hi and engaging, right? People, we have lost that ability or that necessity or to actually engage with one human being in another. We're living behind this screen of the internet and social media and all that stuff, they will have achieved absolutely nothing as opposed to saying, you know, hi, my name is, I follow you, I respect you, and you know, maybe, thank you, and then maybe at the end, can I have a picture with you? Yes or no, it's not that. But then, or at least get my contact information. I mean, this is a journey you talk about, but you

also talk about the fact, how can you embark on a journey to bring joy to more than a billion people one person at a time? That you've talked about that, that exponential human reaction, that if I do it with you and you do it to someone else and then three people tell six people, that's how you do it. But people think that that's way too big a thing to embark on, to ever do that. So I'm not going to do it. But people think that that's way too big a thing to embark on, right? To ever do that. So I'm

not going to do it. As opposed to, you know, that baby steps towards any goal is better than waiting for the magic moment to do it because you'll, it'll never happen. Most importantly, what people do is they limit themselves by their own self-image. You will never overachieve your own self-image. So the minute you tell yourself, oh, I could never do that. That's never going to happen. You're living in a world of not enough. Why? There's more than enough of everything. So I look at things and say, okay, even over a billion people, people will ask me like, Saad Guru, why not everyone? Why are you limiting yourself, Dave? I said, well, I did the math and it was a lot easier to say over a billion and it could have been

everyone about limiting myself. He said me seem a little arrogant if I say everyone. Right. But honestly, I literally thought my wife would think I was crazy because as I recovered and learned how to make more money, help more people and have more fun, I had to now tell my wife as we were back really on track and said, Hey, what can I do for you? And the first thing she said is take care of yourselves. Because if you don't take care of yourself, you're not going to take care

of all the people. And then I told her, Hey, I'm on a new mission. So what's that? I said to power over a billion people because I know one particle of light, like you said, overcomes a million particles of darkness. Darkness is loud. It's very loud, especially on the internet and social media. Yeah, it's weak. It's so weak. And when you shine your light, people, they are powering, you don't even see them. They don't even want to approach you. They won't even compliment yourself because your light is so bright. They know how weak they are. And the more you engage that like it's like arguing with a drunk crazy. You have achieved you will achieve nothing. They're

not listening. Life is too short to even waste time with that. But even that even goes back to like when we get on a plane, they always say put up the oxygen on first so that you can help the person next to that's why and my wife said the same thing to me. May she rest in peace, that when I went through what I went through in life and tried to recover through whatever dark spots I was through and challenges of being on Wall Street during the crash of 07 was take care of yourself and then I know you'll be able to take care of us because I know who you are when you're

your best self, which is so important. So you're suddenly you're what, 28 years old and you had everything in the world which you thought you had everything, what you had strived for, you had shit loads of money and then you lost it all. And my dream job, it was a Glenrye stuck. You know, when you have everything that you thought he wanted

and you have everything that other people want, and you are empty inside. And you're still empty inside. So success without fulfillment. Correct. Right. Okay. Just an empty bag, a very full bank account with an empty heart. And you'll get this. When you understand stock market, people attach their emotions to an outcome with no idea of timing, race to outreach, with no idea of perceived value and bottom line.

And that applies to my life because I will be happy when. First it was one million, it was five million in the house. Then it was 10 million, then it was 50 million, then it was 100 million. I'll be happy when does it work? And I, last night we had Chris Gardner, Pursuit of Happiness, and I always joke with him, there is literally no pursuit of happiness.

Happiness is the pursuit. And when you know what you want, who you can help, who can help you, and how best to achieve that in a divine direction by learning, I promise you, you will have passion, you'll have purpose, and the profitability will follow you.

Three P's. To get away from. Passion, purpose, and profitability. You know what, look, we could talk forever, and I wanna do this again another time. For sure. I think it's more, look, we could talk forever and I want to do this again another time. For sure. I think it's more, look, when I thought of interviewing you, I've watched other interviews and everybody goes back

to the fact that you had all this and you lost all this and whatever, but I really feel like I think we touched on so much more important stuff because that's not the story. The story is what it was like and what happened and where you are now and what that mission is and how that mission now suddenly is so exponentially explosive and that David's mission is to bring happiness to more than a billion people. Think about that. And it's almost unfathomable to imagine how powerful that is. But go check it out. Trade with Einstein, Money News Network.

For me, this is the most meaningful relationship that I have in my life. It brings me joy every single day. Thanks. Awesome. Be kind to your future self and do good deeds. There you go. Giddy up.

Live long and day train.