Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin - Holy Finances and a Financial Hole: the Money Trail of the Vatican
Episode Date: May 12, 2025Today, Nicole is pulling back the curtain on a financial institution you probably didn’t expect to see on this show: Vatican City. In this episode, Nicole dives into the financial story of the Catho...lic Church under Pope Francis: the scandals, the reforms, the setbacks—and what this means for Pope Leo and the future of the church.
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I'm Nicole Lapin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand.
It's time for some money rehab.
Today I'm going to pull back the curtain on a financial institution you probably didn't
expect to hear on the show, Vatican City, with the new Pope, the Sistine Chapel, the
Swiss Guards, and a surprisingly tangled financial web.
You might think of the Vatican as this holy place, and it absolutely is, but it's also
a sovereign city-state with a bank, real estate assets, a pension
fund and a history of financial scandal that would make Wall Street blush.
Today we're going to dive into the financial story of the Catholic Church under Pope Francis,
the scandals, the reforms, the setbacks, and what all of this means for the new Pope, Pope
Leo XIV.
Let's rewind back to 2012. This is the year before Pope Francis became Pope and the Vatican was already in the middle
of a full-blown credibility crisis, not just spiritually but financially.
That year, a European financial watchdog known as MoneyVol did a first-of-its-kind audit
of the Vatican Bank, formerly known as the Institute for the Works of Religion, or IOR for short.
And it didn't go that well. The IOR had more than $8 billion in assets spread across 33,000 accounts.
But the big shock wasn't the size. It was the secrecy. The bank had been involved in scandals
stretching back decades, including money laundering and
shady dealings with everyone from fascists to financiers.
The bank's reputation was so toxic that when Francis became Pope in 2013, he even floated
the idea of shutting it down entirely.
When Francis became Pope, the finances of Vatican City were essentially handled by five
different departments, which made things very messy. It looked like this. Institution 1, the
Secretariat of State which had informal financial oversight. Then number 2, the
administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See or APSA, essentially the
Vatican Central Bank that also managed real estate, so think 5,000 historic and luxury properties
in Europe. Interestingly, the Vatican is one of the largest landowners in the world, with
real estate including commercial buildings, residential properties and luxury properties
spread across Europe, especially in Italy, France, the UK and Switzerland.
Institution number three, the prefecture tracked budgets. And then there's the Vatican City State itself, institution number four, which brought in tourist cash
and sold trinkets like the coins and the stamps. And number five, the IOR, operating entirely
independently from the rest. But none of them worked together, and none of them really seemed to want to.
This system was opaque, it was inefficient, and it was vulnerable to abuse. Case in point, by the time Francis took office, several American dioceses had declared bankruptcy
under the financial weight of sexual abuse scandals. In other words, the church needed a serious
financial come to Jesus moment. Sorry, that's the only pun I'll do.
So what did Francis do?
Well, he created a brand new office, the Secretariat for the Economy.
Think of it like the Vatican's new CFO.
He appointed Australian Cardinal George Pell to run it, giving him sweeping powers and
reporting directly to the Pope himself. Cardinal Pell brought in
PWC, it's a huge accounting firm and the first for the Vatican, to do an independent audit.
He shut down secret accounts, required that all funds, even off-the-books donations,
be included in the budget reporting. And in one year alone, over 3,500 accounts were closed, many linked to Italy's wealthy elite.
Francis reorganized the IOR to become less like a shadowy hedge fund and more like a
modest credit union for religious orders. Its investment division was spun off into
a new entity, Vatican Asset Management. I'm sure you're wondering what is in the Vatican's portfolio
anyway. And as you might imagine, the Vatican is not particularly forthcoming about their
investments, but they say they focus their investments on things that check both ESG
boxes and Catholic Church boxes. So they don't invest in anything related to weapons manufacturing,
abortion services, tobacco, and fossil fuels.
Around the same time Vatican asset management was formed, the IORs focused narrow to Catholic clients, dioceses, religious orders, and Vatican employees. Of course, none of this went down
smoothly. The Old Guard did not love giving up their financial fiefdoms. When the Vatican's deputy secretary of state tried to cancel an external audit in 2016,
it signaled internal resistance.
Then came the bombshell.
Pell was accused of historic sexual abuse in Australia and stepped down in 2017 to face
trial.
He was later acquitted, but by then the momentum behind the reforms
had stalled. Meanwhile, more financial skeletons spilled
out of the closet. In 2021, the Vatican launched the biggest criminal trial in its history,
over a $400 million London real estate deal gone very wrong. Ten defendants were charged,
including Cardinal Angelo Baciu,
a high-ranking official once close to Francis himself. In 2023, Baciu was convicted of embezzlement.
Despite setbacks, there has been progress. In 2023, MoneyVal, the committee that had
once heavily criticized the Vatican's finances, gave the Vatican a passing grade for its improvements. In fact, they won't check again
until 2028. The IOR has settled into its new, leaner role. It posted a modest $34 million net
profit in 2023 and now manages $6 billion, $2.3 billion in bonds and $55 million in stocks. In
other words, a very conservative portfolio. But it's not all good upward progress.
In fact, the financial situation is still really bad. The Secretariat for the Economy reported a
$75 million deficit in 2023. Its net assets dropped 6% to $4.6 billion. And even with the APSA's
vast property empire, the Vatican still relied on donations for 45%
of its revenue, which isn't exactly a sustainable strategy for a global institution.
And then there's the Vatican Pension Fund. The Pension Fund is for employees of the Vatican
city-state and now the Holy See, which is the governing body of the Roman Catholic Church.
Despite early audits showing a $2 billion shortfall, little has been done. As of 2022, the fund still faced a $700 million deficit.
The story of the Vatican's finances under Pope Francis is, at its heart, the story of
a man trying to impose order on chaos. He succeeded in making the Vatican Bank more
transparent and less scandal-prone. So will
Pope Leo be able to finish what Pope Francis started? As the first American pope, I sure
hope he does us proud.
You don't need to be a sovereign city-state to have financial oversight. One of the most
effective tools you can use is something way simpler. A financial accountability buddy.
This is someone you trust, maybe a friend, a partner, a mentor, who helps keep you honest
and on track with your financial goals.
You don't need to share every single detail of your bank statements, but regular check-ins
– monthly is even great – can help you stay on track and stay motivated to save,
stick to a budget, and actually open those statements you've been avoiding.
You don't need to share every single detail of your bank statements,
but regular check-ins monthly is great,
can help you stay motivated to save,
stick to a budget,
and actually open those statements you've been avoiding.
Just like the Vatican needed someone looking over its books,
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and a little pressure not to ghost our finances.
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network.
I'm your host, Nicole Lapin.
Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Lavoie.
Our researcher is Emily Holmes.
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And let's be honest, we all do.
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And lastly, thank you.
No, seriously, thank you.
Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.