Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin - How the Rich Pass Down Tax-Free Wealth
Episode Date: September 19, 2025You've probably heard the saying "the rich get richer." And you know what? It is true - because the rich know how to pass on wealth tax free. Today, Nicole shares three ways the 1% pass on generati...onal wealth, and how you can too! This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, or legal advice. Always do your own research and consult a licensed financial advisor before making any financial decisions or investments. All investing involves the risk of loss, including loss of principal. Brokerage services for US-listed, registered securities, options and bonds in a self-directed account are offered by Public Investing, Inc., member FINRA & SIPC. Public Investing offers a High-Yield Cash Account where funds from this account are automatically deposited into partner banks where they earn interest and are eligible for FDIC insurance; Public Investing is not a bank. Cryptocurrency trading services are offered by Bakkt Crypto Solutions, LLC (NMLS ID 1890144), which is licensed to engage in virtual currency business activity by the NYSDFS. Cryptocurrency is highly speculative, involves a high degree of risk, and has the potential for loss of the entire amount of an investment. Cryptocurrency holdings are not protected by the FDIC or SIPC. *APY as of 6/30/25, offered by Public Investing, member FINRA/SIPC. Rate subject to change. See terms of IRA Match Program here: public.com/disclosures/ira-match.
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I'm Nicole Lapin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand.
It's time for some money rehab.
You've probably heard the saying, the rich get richer.
And you know what? It is true because the rich know how to pass on wealth tax free. And I know
this sounds shady, but there are a handful of tax loopholes that help the 1% avoid Uncle Sam that
are 100% legit. Today I'm going to tell you about three power plays that the ultra rich
used to pass wealth on tax free. This will probably feel like watching an episode of
Succession. Totally fascinating, but not really a plot line that you want to live out yourself.
And I'll tell you exactly what I mean at the end of this episode. So here are the three power plays
that the ultra-rich used to pass on wealth tax-free. Number one, the Granter retained annuity
trust or Grat. Number two, the irrevocable life insurance trust, aka Ilet. And number three,
the family limited partnership. The through line is that each of these vehicles help rich people
pass money onto their kids without shelling out a ton in taxes. But the way that these three
strategies achieve that same results are a little bit different. So let's start with Gratz,
grantor retained annuity trust. It is so jargon-heavy, and I hate that, but it's not that
deep basically works that you're the grantor and you put assets into a trust typically things that
you expect to really grow in value like stocks or a business in exchange the trust pays you back
a fixed amount which is called an annuity every single year for a set number of years this payment
is designed to return the principal plus interest but not necessarily the investment interest
this is based on how much the IRS assumes the asset is going to grow and this is often a vehicle
that's used with big startup founders, pretty much every big entrepreneur I know has a grant for their
kids. In a second, I'm going to give you an example with numbers, which I think will really help
bring all of this into focus. But before that, I want to tell you exactly what makes this a loophole.
At the end of the term, anything left over in the trust, meaning any growth above the IRS's
assumed interest rate goes to your beneficiaries tax-free. So that basically means if your assets grow
faster than the IRS expects them to grow, all the gains go to your kids or your heirs without
triggering any gift or estate taxes, which is very cool, especially if they grow a lot.
So, for example, let's say you fund a grat with a million dollars in stock, and the IRS puts
the interest rate at 4%. You structure the grat to pay back the $1 million plus 4% every year
spread over the term of the grats. So let's say five years. These are fixed payments, not based on how
the investment actually performs. So if your assets only grow 4%, everything gets paid back to you
and there's nothing left for your heirs. But if your assets grow more than 4%, let's say 10%,
the extra 6% growth gets passed onto your heirs, gift and estate tax-free. This is the cool thing about
grats. The future appreciation of whatever assets are in there escapes estate and gift tax if the
Grat is structured properly. Honorable mention here, it benefits you, not just your kids,
because remember, during the term, you receive payments. There are a ton of financial vehicles
like certain types of trusts and, of course, life insurance that only provide perks to your
beneficiaries. So in some ways, Gratz are like the opposite of life insurance because you get benefits
while you're alive, which is sweet. But further adding to the life insurance foil analogy, for Gratz,
you have to outlive the term, that five-year period in the example I gave. If you, God forbid, pass away during the grant term, the assets are pulled back into your estate and taxed. So is a grat right for you? Well, I'll tell you, but not yet. I'm going to take you through the other two financial vehicles. And at the end, I'll tie everything up into a beautiful bow and break down which of these strategies might make sense for you. Okay, so let's talk about life insurance, specifically irrevocable life insurance trusts or
eyelets. For most of us, we think about life insurance as a way to help survivors with expenses
like paying off a mortgage or, I'm sorry if this sounds dark, funeral costs. For the ultra-rich,
life insurance is a wealth transfer vehicle. An islet is a trust that owns, it's like a wrapper
for the life insurance policy that you have on yourself. You fund the trust, typically with cash,
and the trust uses that cash to pay the policy premiums. When you die, the life insurance payout
goes into the trust, not into your estate, and that means your beneficiaries get the entire amount
without it being subject to estate tax. So let me say this again. Your heirs get a tax-free
payout. The death benefit is typically income tax-free, and thanks to the trust, it's also
a state tax-free. Also, it doesn't hurt that because the policy is,
in a trust, the assets in the trust may be protected from creditors depending on your state
laws. So for some ultra wealthy people who are really worried about lawsuits, the extra
creditor protection is really appealing. But these are complicated. I looked into these
personally. First of all, these trusts are irrevocable, henceforth, the name. That means once
you set it up, you cannot take it back. You lose control of the policy, period, the end. It also
means it's very hard and in some cases impossible to make changes. For example, I have one daughter
right now. If I created an islet and I named her as the beneficiary and then I had another kid
in a couple of years, I wouldn't be able to add the second kid as a beneficiary. There are some ways
to work around it, but you have to be really thoughtful when you form your islet, for example,
saying my children or my descendants instead of actually listing individual names. That's just one
example. But if you're funding the islet by gifting money to the trust, you'll also potentially
want to stay with an annual gift tax exclusion limits, $19,000 per recipient as of this year.
If the trust has multiple beneficiaries, you can gift that amount per beneficiary annually
without using up that lifetime exemption. By the way, for this year, the exemption is
almost $14 million per individual or $28 million for a married couple. So you have to hit that
amount in your lifetime for this thing to even matter, which sounds like high class problems,
but let's dream here. Important, there is something called the
crumny letter, yes, that's a real thing, that the trustee sends to beneficiaries, letting them
know that they have the right to withdraw the gifted amount. It's a weird formality, but it's
necessary to qualify for the gift tax exclusion. Again, let's stream. Next, a family limited
partnership, which is kind of exactly like it sounds. It's a business entity often holding a family
business or real estate that's structured to keep wealth in the family while minimizing taxes.
You set it up by creating a limited partnership and transferring assets like your business or your
property into that entity. You keep control by being the general partner and you give shares
of the partnership at a discounted value to your kids or your heirs. Why discounted? Because limited
partnership interests are considered less valuable due to the lack of control and marketability
and liquidity here. That means if you give 10% of the family limited
partnership, the IRS might value that gift at less than 10% of the total assets. This move is all
about control. As general partner, you control the decisions even if you have given away most of
the equity. You can gift more while staying under the tax limits due to valuation discounts.
But if you do go this route, you have to be prepared for the fact that the IRS is going to
likely be looking at you very closely. You need to make sure that you have structured this
partnership correctly to avoid any penalties or my biggest fear audits. So that means that you're
probably going to need attorneys, accountants to make sure that you're checking all the right boxes
here. For family limited partnerships, you can also gift partnership shares within that lovely
annual gift tax exclusion limit or use your lifetime estate and gift tax exemption, which is so high.
Remember, $14 million per individual, $28 million for married couple. These three strategies are the
secret weapons of big family dynasties. But, and this is the question I've been alluding to this
entire time, should you and I use them? Because while all of these moves are totally legit and very
effective at minimizing taxes and preserving long-term, beautiful generational wealth, they are not
cheap to set up and they are not for everyone. So here's the honest truth. A grat is going to make a lot
a sense if you already have a high growth asset like a private business or a really large
stock position in a growth company that you're expecting to significantly appreciate. So think
startup founders, business owners about to IPO, someone doing a low basis investment that's
poised to take off. If that's not you, a grat, probably overkill. And an islet, it's great
for high net worth individuals who expect to leave behind a large estate and want their heirs
to receive life insurance proceeds free of estate taxes.
But again, it is complicated.
It's expensive to set up and to maintain,
and it's very rigid because of the irrevocable part.
If your financial picture is still evolving,
this is probably not the right tool for you just yet.
A family limited partnership might start to make some sense
if you're legitimately worried about hitting your lifetime estate
and gift tax exemption.
I know it's a big number.
If you're not close to it,
at all. You probably, though, do not need to spend the time and the legal fees structuring an
FLP. The bottom line here, these wealth transfer strategies are like surgical tools. They are powerful,
they are precise, but they're best used by professionals. And just because you can do something
doesn't necessarily mean you should, but you should know about them. For most people,
these tools don't make sense until you hit a certain wealth level or complexity with your
life for your assets. But, and this is a very important takeaway,
being tax savvy and intentional about estate planning is important for everyone. Know your options
because that mindset does not require a net worth in the millions or billions. It just takes a little
bit of strategy. For example, open a custodial Roth IRA for your kid if they have earned income.
Great for teaching, investing early. And those contributions grow tax-free. It's free to set up.
I've done a bunch of episodes on this. I will link those in the show.
notes or gift-appreciated stock instead of cash when making charitable contributions so you
avoid paying capital gains taxes and the charity still gets the full value. As state planning
feels like a drag, it still feels like that in my family too, but it's necessary and it is no
longer optional for anyone building real wealth. And if you want to stay wealthy across generations,
you definitely need a strategy. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. If you're
loving this old money lore, I'll pull the curtain back on another move the rich used to get
richer, the private foundation, a.k.a. the giving and keeping strategy. This doesn't really
fall under the umbrella of tax strategies for passing on tax-free inheritance, but it is a way
to get a tax deduction and keep control. A private foundation is a type of non-profit that you create
and control. You donate the money or assets like stocks into that foundation and you get a tax deduction.
But here's the kicker. The foundation can be run by you and your family, and you get to decide how and when the money is given out.
And pro tip, you can hire family members to run the foundation, work for the foundation, and pay them a reasonable salary.
That's yet another way wealth stays in the family.
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