Monster: BTK - Boy Scout [5]

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

The killer has become BTK. But he must also maintain his facade as a normal family man. Can he reconcile his inner Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:42 Tenderfoot TV. Listener discretion is advised. I graduated in May 1979, and it was easy to slip back into the Christian world. The kids were growing like weeds, and ahead of the household was needed. Paula needed to be home, so all responsibility landed on me. I had no time to be away from home. Being busy with the family kept the dark side at bay. The next year we got a pet dog, Patches, a Britney Spaniel. I built a fence in the backyard and I did a lot of gardening and enjoyed life with my
Starting point is 00:03:21 wife and two kids. The job with ADT gave me opportunities to be out of town, staying in motel rooms. So I would take the bondage items with me, or shop for new ones at the town where I was doing a job. A second time when Paula came home, I was in full bondage in the hallway, in a slip, with a rope. I tried to hide it in the bathroom, but there was just too much of it out to hide. She exploded into a fury.
Starting point is 00:03:54 I cleaned the mess up and told her I would leave. I was so embarrassed and ashamed. I slept a day or two in the living room. She was thinking about what to do. We didn't talk, only small talk in front of the kids. She finally told me that if she ever caught me again, she would file for divorce and I would have to leave the house for good. I understood.
Starting point is 00:04:18 I vowed I would never do this at home again. Someone killed four members of a family. Hedge vanished from her home suddenly last weekend. Her phone lines had been cut, her door left open. You see the victims laying there with plastic bags over their heads strangled. You could tell it was a planned scenario. While police have said no more about the contents of the letter, it does contain some sort of threat and implies the killer may strike again. He's going to play with these victims. He'd get them to the point of death and then bring them back.
Starting point is 00:04:56 And then brings them back to the point of death. From My Heart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV, I'm Susan Peters, and this is Monster BTK. In 1979, 63-year-old Anna Williams just barely escaped becoming BTK's eighth victim. He had broken into her home and waited for her, leaving in a huff when she didn't arrive home at her normal time. Soon after, he sent a 19-line poem titled, Oh, Anna, Why Didn't You Appear? To both Williams and to Cake TV. Police wondered why BTK had targeted Williams.
Starting point is 00:05:48 She was, after all, older than most of his other victims. They wondered if her 24-year-old granddaughter had been his intended target. Williams didn't stick around to find out. Well, Annie, she left Wichita. She moved, and again, the community's still on high alert, if you will. This is former Wichita police chief Richard Lemonyan.
Starting point is 00:06:14 He says that after the Williams attempt, the BTK trail went dark. In May of 1979, Rader graduated from Wichita State with a bachelor's degree in administration of justice. This resulted in the loss of his cover story for being out late in the evenings, another reason he put the monster to rest. But he started practicing bondage more often. Eventually, he was caught by his wife, which you heard at the top of the episode.
Starting point is 00:06:51 This incident was deeply embarrassing to Rader. He assured Paula he would change, but in reality, the only thing he changed was the location of his self-gratification. Here are his words from the book, Confession of a Serial Killer. These incidents were perfect times to seek professional help, I know. But I don't recall if Paula asked me to do anything like this. Maybe she did, and I told her I would work it out. But I thought if I told someone about the other things I was doing,
Starting point is 00:07:25 in order to really get help, they would be obligated to tell the police. 1984 marked 10 years since the Otero killings, and BTK's five-year absence hadn't put Lemunyon's fears to bed, like it had for other Wichitans. There was a sense of, that was in our history, it doesn't exist anymore, at least to the community. To me it was very real. So with special permission from city manager Gene Denton and Al Kirk, a county
Starting point is 00:07:58 commissioner, Lemunion planned the most sophisticated investigation in city history. The technological advancements of the 1980s re-energized the investigation. In 84, we put together a special task force. I handpicked a group of investigators to be a part of that. I had senior detectives, I had new detectives, I had patrol officers that were assigned, and that was the only thing they were working on. The media found out about it.
Starting point is 00:08:30 We didn't tell them what was going on, but they dubbed it Ghostbusters. The idea of this group was, number one, to identify and arrest the guy. Number two was to put together all the information we had, computerize it as best we could, put all the files in place. If he was dead, we knew that we would find the trophy sometime. Or if he was still alive, at some point, he's going to come back. So we're going to either catch the person, or we're going to put it together in such a way that when the next thing happens, whoever the investigator is can just pick it up and move forward. That was our plan. Promising young detectives like Kenny Landwehr were brought in to give this case their all.
Starting point is 00:09:21 We weren't done. We hadn't put everything together. And I thought to myself, this is the type of thing we need to do. Get behind closed doors. We've got computers now. We got DNA. We've got semen. We've got everything else. And as a result of that, it took several months. But it proved, at least in our mind, that we knew the person we're looking for is local. The reason we can't find him is he's one of us. He goes to the same grocery store we go to.
Starting point is 00:09:52 He goes to the same movies. He probably has a family. He works here. And the reason we can't find him is he's one of the people that lives next door. find him as he's one of the people that lives next door. The BTK Task Force was made up of eight men, Captain Gary Fulton, Lieutenant Al Stewart, and officers Paul Dotson, Ed Nass, Mark Richardson, Jerry Harper, and Paul Holmes, along with Landwehr. Throughout 1984, the Ghostbusters would search high and low for clues about the identity of BTK. For the first month of their work with the task force, they did nothing but read reports. They spent hundreds of man hours re-examining an index of previously eliminated suspects put together by older detectives.
Starting point is 00:10:46 They also spent weeks debating whether or not to add the Catherine Bright files to the BTK evidence. Yes, they eventually decided. In October of 1984, they brought in FBI criminal profilers. We called the Wichita police, come on in here guys and bring your tape recorders. We won't be able to have time to do a written profile, but we'll work with you for a day or two, whatever it takes to help you people out.
Starting point is 00:11:16 This is John Douglas, former FBI special agent. And then we did this kind of a mind bust, me and three other profiles, with the cops there going around and evaluating, analyzing the case, things that they should be doing. And I came up with the idea, when you have an offender who starts to communicate, rather than communicate with a department, I want him to communicate with a person affiliated with the investigation. And I want that guy to be the focal point.
Starting point is 00:11:49 I call it the super cop. In time, Kenny Landwehr would become that focal point. The initial FBI profile, delivered in part by criminal profiler Roy Hazelwood, provided cops with their first detailed impressions of BTK. Here is an excerpt from the book, Bind, Torture, Kill. Hazelwood thought BTK practiced bondage in everyday life, that he was a sexual sadist, a control freak, and could interact with others only on a superficial level.
Starting point is 00:12:23 You know him, but you don't really know him. The profiler felt that although BTK would do well at work, he wouldn't like anyone telling him what to do. Hazel Wood also thought BTK collected bondage materials and read crime books and detective magazines. From then on, every time BTK Task Force member Paul Holmes entered someone's home, he looked around for detective magazines. When Raider's daughter Carrie made it to kindergarten, he decided he was ready to kill again.
Starting point is 00:12:57 But he was older now. He had more responsibilities and less time to prowl. This time, he would pick a target closer to home. Again, a snippet from Confession of a Serial Killer. Raider had noticed a neighbor, Maureen Hedge, a 53-year-old woman who lived just down the street and often gave a friendly wave. She lived alone and was just the right size. a friendly wave. She lived alone and was just the right size. I thought about what her neck would look like with a rope around it. It was time, Rader thought, to re-energize his secret identity.
Starting point is 00:13:36 It had been a long time since the last time Factor X exploded in my world and shattered someone else's. My target someone so close to home went against his code for how to be a successful serial killer. But the challenge excited him. Breaking my own rules sort of gave me a rush. I lived on the knife edge for a long time with this, following
Starting point is 00:14:06 newspaper, TV or neighbor talk. By reading other cases I knew this was a high gamble. To me, hedge took a lot of thinking and planning. This was the first time I had decided to use the Boy Scouts as my cover. The target day arrived April 26th, 1985. Raider went to the Boy Scout camp where he typically helped set up. He had become a leader when his son Brian joined. He parked his car on the hill by the roadside so that he could leave and come back unnoticed. so that he could leave and come back unnoticed. In the end of April of 1985, I'm almost seven. My dad was on a Cub Scout camp out with my brother Brian
Starting point is 00:14:56 at Camp Tewakene. My dad feigns that he's like ill or has a headache. He says he's going to his tent, knowing my dad he probably even stuffed something in his sleeping bag. This is Dennis Rader's daughter, Carrie Ross. And he then, using the Cub Scout camp out for an alibi, he goes to a bowling alley,
Starting point is 00:15:17 goes in, sloshes some beer in his mouth and make it seem like he was drinking. He leaves our family chevette at the bowling alley and he takes a taxi out to my neighbor. He gets out of the taxi and he has a bowling bag with him that's maroon and white. It's like his hit kit. And he walks past my grandparents' house
Starting point is 00:15:38 and he goes through Mrs. Hedge's backyard. Mrs. Hedge's house is built exactly like my house and exactly like my grandparents house, three-bedroom ranch. This meant he'd have no trouble figuring out the best way to get into the home. He cut her phone line, broke into the home, and then yet another one of his plans hit a snag. He broke into her house expecting her to be home because her car was there but she had
Starting point is 00:16:07 gone with this man. She's not home so he's disappointed and mad. So he hides in her closet. Then they come home and now she's come home with a man. Well he doesn't want to have to deal with two people. It's messy and he's not there for the man, he's there for her. So he's getting frustrated and he's hanging on the closet and he's like waiting forever for the man, he's there for her. So he's getting frustrated and he's hanging on the closet and he's like waiting forever for the man to leave. He probably could have murdered both of them, he just didn't want to because he's older at this point too, it's 85 so he's what, he's 40
Starting point is 00:16:35 at that point and he hadn't murdered anybody in like eight years. So he waits for her to fall asleep and he jumps into bed and starts strangling her. He manually suffocated Maureen until she died. In his words, he throttled her. What happened next is a departure from BTK's usual MO. In a disturbing turn of events, Rader decided taking photos of Maureen's body in her house wasn't enough. He wanted to do something special. Since I was in the sexual fantasy,
Starting point is 00:17:16 I went ahead and stripped her and tied her up. I put handcuffs on. I put her on a blanket and I went through her purse. I needed the car key and took some personal items in the house while I figured out how I was going to get her out of there. Eventually I moved her to the trunk of the car. I took the car over to Christ Lutheran Church where I had stashed some items. I tied her up in different positions and took pictures. I did not use the altar.
Starting point is 00:17:48 I was bad and disturbed, but I still had respect for some items of God's house. Finally, I had a real bondage picture with a victim. Daylight was coming fast. He had to hide Marine's body and make it back to the Boy Scout camp before anyone noticed he was gone. He left her body in a ditch on 53rd Street. Police wouldn't find her until over a week later. The body was discovered here at 53rd Street North just east of Webb Road, a bit west of the area that police had been searching all weekend for some clue to the disappearance of 53-year-old Maureen Hedge. Hedge vanished from her home suddenly last weekend. Her phone lines had been cut, her door left open, and police have been picking up the pieces ever since, but Park City Police Chief Ace Van Way may have put the final piece of the puzzle together when he and a partner noticed what appeared to be a blouse hanging from a tree
Starting point is 00:18:50 limb and searched this area. Marine Hedge's murder was not connected to BTK at the time. It had taken place outside of Wichita and despite the cut phone lines, didn't fit the usual BTK MO. Keep in mind, this is a county case. Different investigators, different crime unit. However, we worked very closely with them, and even after discussion, the fact that her body was thrown out, if you will, at an intersection, 53rd and Webb, we just did not see a connection with it whatsoever. The body was nude and police say badly decomposed.
Starting point is 00:19:30 A pair of knotted pantyhose were found lying in the ditch beside it. And the evergreen branches covering the body may match pine needles found in the trunk of Marine Hedge's car. But police say that's about all the evidence they have to go on. Raiders big risk had panned out. No one suspected BTK. All eyes were on Maureen's date as the prime suspect. Psychologist Katherine Ramsland says
Starting point is 00:19:55 Raider had to play it safe after this. He enjoyed that kind of cat and mouse game to a point when he killed a woman in his own neighborhood. He'd not make any communication at all because first of all that violated his own rules, don't kill close to home, and second he didn't want to bring the police, you know, give them any sense that this is related to the other murders. So that stopped his communications. Breaking his no killing close to home rule also had ripple effects that impacted
Starting point is 00:20:32 his family's sense of safety. Somehow I know that Mrs. Hedge, she's been strangled. A week or so later, I'm running around at Christ Lutheran after a church and I fall and I break my arm. So I have a bone sticking out of my arm, I'm running around at Christ Lutheran after a church, and I fall and I break my arm. So I have a bone sticking out of my arm, I'm bleeding, and I'm screaming. Now I've had this pretty major injury for a kid. My dad gets a cookie tray from the church kitchen
Starting point is 00:20:58 and a towel to secure my arm, and he puts me in the back of our station wagon instead of calling an ambulance. My mom's back there with me. He drives me a few miles south to Wesley. I have to have surgery, three pins put in my arm and I'm in the hospital for five days. So my six-year-old self submitted Mrs. Hedge's murder with my broken arm and it was just like big trauma ball.
Starting point is 00:21:25 And so literally I started having night terrors. And the best we know, my night terrors started around the time Mrs. Hedge was murdered. Talking with Payne Lindsay in the Tenderfoot studio, Kerry says she thought her fear emboldened her father. As a six-year-old, did you know that this was related to Hedge's death? Oh no. No.
Starting point is 00:21:50 I mean, there's no way I realized I had combined the trauma over my arm and the hospital and Mrs. Hedge. He's quoted as saying, like, at that time, when I started getting scared like that, that it worried him that I was messed up basically from the murder he had committed down the street, but it also empowered him. It made him feel empowered, like he was terrifying me. So your dad was aware that you, like even if you weren't,
Starting point is 00:22:18 your dad was aware that you were being affected by Hedge's death. Yeah, he's quoted in 2016 as saying he was sure it was from there. I mean, I've talked to criminologists, I've talked to detectives, talked to trauma therapists. Nobody knows how to fix this night terror stuff and nobody knows why is it the bad guy in the room
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Starting point is 00:25:19 Listen to tech stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It was big news. I mean, white girl gets murdered, found in a cemetery. Big, big news. When a young woman is murdered, a desperate search for answers takes investigators to some unexpected places. He believed it could be part of a satanic cult. I think there were many individuals present. I don't know who pulled the trigger. A long investigation stalls until someone changes their story. I like saw what they were happy. An arrest, trial and conviction soon follow.
Starting point is 00:25:54 He just saw his body just kind of collapsing. Two decades later, a new team of lawyers says their client is innocent. He did not kill her. There's no way. Is the real killer rightly behind bars or still walking free? Are you capable of murder? I definitely am not. Did you kill her?
Starting point is 00:26:16 Listen to The Real Killer, Season 3 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In June of 1985, nearly 1,700 miles away from Wichita in San Francisco, California, a man named Leonard Lake was connected to more than two dozen deaths and disappearances. This tape, what you're hearing now, is going to be the lead in of a building which hopefully will be the first of a series of underground buildings. The main emphasis of the building will be a cell. The purpose of that cell and the main purpose, hence, of the building will be the imprisonment of the young lady. A remote cabin where cops say some of the most gruesome serial killings in California
Starting point is 00:27:11 history took place. 12 innocent victims, three women, seven men, two babies. Rader was fascinated. He saw a lot of parallels between himself and Lake. Here are his words from Confession of a Serial Killer. It wouldn't be long before Raider betrayed this newly formed rule. I decided that no young children would be involved in my hits. It wouldn't be long before Rader betrayed this newly formed rule. I can't imagine anyone harming her, not knowing her. She was a good person to know and a good friend to have had. Vicki Weckerle was a young mother who lived at 2404 West 13th Street
Starting point is 00:28:08 with her husband Bill and children, Brandon and Stephanie. Dennis Rader spotted her in the fall of 1986. As he spied on her home, he would listen as she played the piano. He thought she played beautifully and named her Project Piano. Ironically, her neighbor was the head of the BTK task force, Kenny Landwehr. Vicki stayed at home with two-year-old Brandon during the day while Bill was off at work. Raider decided this would be the best time to strike. He planned to pass himself off as a southwestern bell repairman to gain access to her home. Here is another excerpt from the book, The Inside Story of BTK. Rader had modified a business card to look like a phone company identification card. He had a yellow hard hat provided by ADT. He had cut out a segment of the cover of a Southwestern
Starting point is 00:29:11 Bell repair manual and pasted it on the hard hat, hoping to pass himself off as a telephone repairman. The briefcase he would carry looked official but would contain his hit kit supplies. It was the morning of September 16th, 1986. Rader parked the security company van in the Indian Hills Shopping Center parking lot, donned his costume, and crossed the street towards Vicki's house. But first, to strengthen his cover, he went by the home of her elderly
Starting point is 00:29:46 neighbors who led him in to check their phone lines. When he left the older couple's house, he walked to the blonde woman's door. He heard the piano. When he knocked, the music stopped. Vicki opened the door and Raider led with the same line he had used on the neighbors. She was wary and asked whether it was really necessary for him to come in. Wasn't the phone line in the backyard, Vicki asked? Eventually, she relented. After pretending to test her telephone, he dropped the act and told Vicki to go to the
Starting point is 00:30:24 bedroom. She cried out, what about my kid? She asked. My husband is going to be home soon, she said. Raider hoped not. He made her lie down on the water bed as she cried and tried to argue. He tied her wrists and ankles with leather shoelaces. Vicki began to pray out loud.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Suddenly, she yanked her hands, broke her bonds, and began to fight. And then everything became noise and fear. BTK hit Vicky in the face, again and again, then grabbed at her throat. She fought, nicking him on the neck with a fingernail. He tried to use a strangling rig but couldn't get a grip. He saw a pair of pantyhose nearby. That worked once he looped it around her neck. He killed her and left the baby. Did not kill the baby. The baby was just a toddler, a little bitty thing. The husband found her when he got home. The crime scene was pretty much destroyed, if you will, by the husband and by others trying to revive her
Starting point is 00:31:33 and things of that nature. When Bill Wegerly arrived home on his lunch break, it would take him 45 minutes before he discovered his wife's body in their bedroom. By the time police got to Vicki Wegerle's house on West 13th, her heart had already stopped beating. She died within 15 minutes at Riverside Hospital.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Her husband Bill supposedly found Vicki with a noose around her neck. Their two-year-old son Brandon was playing in another bedroom at the time of the murder. And now, after hours of interviewing family members and searching for evidence, police have few leads on who killed Vicki Wagerly. Per standard police procedure, Bill Wagerly became the prime suspect in his wife's murder. Unfortunately, as Richard Lemunion says, his initial panic upon discovering his wife's body only made the situation worse. The crime scene was really messed up. You know, I mean, here's a husband, he comes
Starting point is 00:32:35 home panicked. Here's his wife. He's trying to do everything he can to save her. You can't visualize walking into a situation like that. And then when EMS gets there, everyone else gets there, you've got a baby screaming. I mean, you're trying to do everything you can. You're trying to get her to the hospital. Detectives were trying to move fast. The first few hours in a homicide investigation are crucial. They grilled Bill. Was he having an affair?
Starting point is 00:33:06 Was she? What took him so long to find his wife's body? They suggested a lie detector test and he agreed. They tested him twice. He failed both times. Years later, Wichita police would come to the conclusion that lie detector tests should never be given to a spouse in the immediate aftermath of the murder.
Starting point is 00:33:29 It's likely Bill's distress led to the two false positives. Raider sent no communication about the murder of Vicki Wengerly, and so yet another BTK murder went unattributed to the serial killer. Richard Lemunyan says police had discussed the possibility. At first it was questionable at whether or not that was a Btk case. Couple of investigators didn't think so. Couple of the other investigators did think so
Starting point is 00:33:58 and I agreed with them, but we can't prove it one way or the other. There just wasn't any evidence like the other ones had been in the past. And keep in mind, it had been a while now since we had had a BGK, quote, murder credit. It's kind of unusual because my brother lived like four doors down from that particular house on 13th Street. What are the irony of that? By the year following the Wagerly murder, all the Ghostbusters but Kenny Landwehr had been reassigned.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Then, just before the end of 1987, Landwehr was assigned to the Homicide Unit. While the BTK Task Force never truly disbanded, the Wichita Police Force and the greater Wichita community moved on. BTK outlasted entire cop careers. Richard Lemunyan retired in 1988. I still remember some of the tragedies, you know, that I went to, some of the homicide, the rape cases, and the abused children are pulling people out of wrecks and saying, you remember those kind of things. And of course, you don't forget a BGK case at all.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Throughout the rest of the 1980s, Raider picked out various projects, none of which panned out. He estimated to Catherine Ramsland that more than 30 could have resulted in murder victims. At the end of 1987, a Wichita woman named Mary Fager came home to find her husband and two daughters had been murdered. Here's an excerpt from a January 1988 news article. The bodies of Sherry and Kelly Fager were found in a newly installed hot tub Here's an excerpt from a January 1988 news article. The bodies of Sherry and Kelly Fager were found in a newly installed hot tub in the solarium.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Kelly, who was nude, was drowned. Police were investigating the possibility she was sexually assaulted. Lemonyan said Sherry was found with her hands bound behind her back with black electrical tape. She had been strangled with an electrical cord and also drowned. Philip Fager was shot twice in the back of the head. A few days after the murders, an envelope arrived at the Fager's house.
Starting point is 00:36:22 In it was a drawing of a young girl bound and lying next to a tub. The envelope also contained a poem entitled, Oh God, He Put Kelly Sherry in the Tub. Investigators guessed the letter had come from BTK. They were right. Part of the letter reads, Another one prowls the deep abyss of lewd thoughts and deeds. Raider didn't kill the Fager family.
Starting point is 00:36:52 He was just a fan of whoever had. In confession of a serial killer, Raider said he mailed Mrs. Fager the letter as a safe way to let a little bit of the monster out. Compare it to a volcano. The molten lava couldn't find the time. The hidden hours and time away from home was simply not there. So it had to find a different way to erupt. In the summer of 1988, Raider lost his job with ADT. The pressure continued to build.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Kerry says he found other ways to let the pressure out. When he had opportunities to go out of town, he would relive his various hits. For him, it really wasn't about who he was murdering or even the murder or the fantasy of wanting it. He said it was always like this letdown, like now they're dead, now what? But he could always replay it. So he's known to like dress up and do this bondage to reenact what he was doing to these people.
Starting point is 00:37:58 And most of the time that was enough for him. When he was in the senses in the late 80s, he would take his bondage stuff and he'd have Polaroids of himself dressed up in like full wing and clothes trying to recreate this visual image of his victims. He called it motel parties. After getting a job as a census field supervisor in 1989, he had another reason to travel, allowing Rader to gratify himself away from the prying eyes of Paul. My first major motel party was in Elk City, Oklahoma. I worked there on off days,
Starting point is 00:38:38 in between trainings. Before I was able to travel, I was limited on extravagance. Usually it was in barns or such places and I had little time. As the trips increased and became more lavish, the motel parties became a sex drug. I looked forward to them. A reward after a long day. A hot date with a sex fantasy victim. For bondage, I used all kinds of gadgets on me. I had my favorite feminine clothes, the red bra from PJ Bell, the chemise from PJ Foxtail, jewelry from De Flower, satin hose
Starting point is 00:39:20 from PJ Prairie, colored pantyhose from so many. Slips, panties, wigs, masks of different types. Much like the Buffalo Bill from The Silence of the Lambs, a good book and movie for a motel party. While Raider was hiding out in motel rooms, serial killers were gaining cultural prominence. A 25-year-old drifter with no record of violence yet, he's accused of being one of California's most brutal killers. Richard Ramirez was captured today.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Police say he is the walk-in killer. Police removed boxes and boxes of body parts, evidence of what appears to be a psychopathic mass murder. Horrible truth to suburban contractor John Gacy's rambling statements to police last week is becoming more and more evident with each passing day. The Stringler case makes one fact vividly clear. People can never totally protect themselves from unknown killers who choose their victims at random, leaving behind virtually no clues and even less understanding of their motives.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Rader hated that so many other serial killers were getting famous, while BTK was not. He wondered if it was time to strike again. Everyone's forgotten who runs this valley. Time to remind them. Yellowstone fans, step into the Yellowstone universe. Our family legacy is this ranch. And I'll protect it with my life. Hosted by Bobby Bones, the official Yellowstone podcast takes you deeper into the franchise that's captivated millions worldwide. Action!
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Starting point is 00:41:52 If you're fascinated by the darker sides of humanity, join us every week on our podcast Serial Killers. Where we go deep into notorious true crime cases with significant research and careful analysis, we examine the psyche of a killer, their motives and targets, and law enforcement's pursuit to stop their spree. Follow Serial Killers wherever you get your podcasts and get new episodes every Monday. Do you want to understand an invisible force that's shaping your life? I'm Osvaldo Loshan, one of the new hosts of the long running podcast, Techstuff. I'm slightly skeptical, but obsessively intrigued. And I'm Kara Price, the other new host, and I'm ready to adopt early and often.
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Starting point is 00:43:09 to survive the singularity. So join us. Listen to tech stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That was big news. I mean, white girl gets murdered, found in a cemetery, big, big news. When a young woman is murdered, a desperate search for answers takes investigators to some unexpected places. He believed it could be part of a satanic cult. I think there were many individuals present. I don't know who pulled the trigger. A long investigation stalls until someone changes their story.
Starting point is 00:43:42 I like saw what would happen. An arrest, trial and conviction soon follow. He just saw his body just kind of collapsing. Two decades later, a new team of lawyers says their client is innocent. He did not kill her. There's no way. Is the real killer rightly behind bars or still walking free? Are you capable of murder? I definitely am not.
Starting point is 00:44:07 Did you kill her? Listen to The Real Killer, season three, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. At 46 years old, Dennis Rader's urge to kill was as strong as ever. His motel parties and bondage toys were no longer cutting it. By 1990, over four years had passed since his last successful hit. No one had connected BTK to a murder since 1977.
Starting point is 00:44:46 In the fall of 1990, he spotted Dolores Davis. Mom was a real giving person. She always was worried about the end of the dog. She always was concerned about the other person. I know she always put other people's needs ahead of her own. My name is Jeff Davis, and I'm the son of Dolores Davis. Mom was a very self-sacrificing person. She was a pretty optimistic person for the most part,
Starting point is 00:45:21 even during the hard times. She tried to be optimistic. She lived by Christian values and she tried to make herself an example in that respect. She was always there for me and my sister even when I probably didn't deserve it. And she was just the kind of person that if you met her you'd say, she's a really nice lady. If anybody didn't like my mom, I don't know who it would have been. I mean, any son is going to be biased towards his mother. Before she died, we had a very, very close relationship.
Starting point is 00:45:56 And I'm so glad that we were able to do that because as she died, under circumstances where there was bad blood or something, it would have been even more horrible than it already was. In 1991, Dolores Davis was a single woman living alone in Wichita. Dolores and her husband split in 1961, and Jeff went to live with his dad while his sister stayed in Wichita with their mom. Dolores's daughter graduated high school in the mid-1970s, and Dolores was then on her own. She grew up on a farm, so Dolores had a farm mentality, and farmers don't lock their doors. I would say she was probably a little more cautious, because it was with her,
Starting point is 00:46:44 and she didn't have a dog. She didn't have any kind of alarm system. Like every other person in Wichita, Dolores and her children had heard about the BTK murders. Jeff at least feared what could happen, but Dolores's habits didn't change much. Mom was always very independent and she pretty much figured she could handle herself. Now I wanted her to get a dog and she was going to get a dog and she did get one and then the landlord made her give it up
Starting point is 00:47:17 that I have a real problem with. My sister, she's been pretty self-sufficient too. I don't think I hit home with them. I think it was an abstract concept that most people in town realized something bad is going on out there. But I don't think anybody personalized it. There was no real reason to. They just thought of it as, you know, you have a three fatality car wreck. But I think in my family,
Starting point is 00:47:46 we didn't see the need to make a lot of changes. Raider had seen Davis not far from where he lived in Park City. Carrie Rosson says he became obsessed with her. Now he had been stalking her. He was moonlighting at Leaker's Grocery. Now my grandma had worked there, my dad had worked there in high school, my mom was a bookkeeper there at some point.
Starting point is 00:48:10 It's where we always grocery shopped, everybody knew our family. They were trying to help my dad out with money and they were having him do security and install some cameras and stuff, you know, just to help him out. Well, that's where he got fixated on Dolores. She was a widow. He's depressed and so he decides to murder her. He set a target date for January of 1991. He's 46 years old now and he's depressed and he's miserable because he doesn't have a job and we don't have much money and I'm in seventh grade and in December of 90 my mom falls ill she had asthma and she she gets pneumonia
Starting point is 00:48:48 and so she's at st. Francis for like 10 or 12 days so he's like so stressed out and I'm trying to manage my dad keep him calm and under control and don't worry dad and mom will be okay and there'll be money and I'm scared and I'm worried about my dad and then mid-January, I believe in 91, my brother's in Boy Scouts now. And he goes up north to Newton area with my brother on Trapper rendezvous camp out. So for the second time in six years,
Starting point is 00:49:21 he's using a Boy Scout camp out as an alibi for murder. Again, Raider's words from Confession of a Serial Killer. I arrived early and got camp all set up. When the others arrived, I fabricated a story that I had to go back to town for something. I went to my parents' house and dressed in my hit clothes in the basement. I checked my hit list and drove to the Baptist Church on East 61st Street in Park City. The scout troop had a place there where they store equipment, so I had a cover story in case someone happened by. I also had some hidey holes there.
Starting point is 00:49:59 On Pancake Scout Day, I had stayed there overnight for morning set up and did bondage in the basement Sunday school rooms. From there, I walked directly to her place. Raider picked up a cinder block and threw it through the window of her home. Dolores ran out of her bedroom, asking if he had hit her home with his car. He tried to use his usual ruse to disarm her. When Dolores told him to leave, he informed her he was carrying a club, a gun, and a knife. She said she was expecting someone.
Starting point is 00:50:37 I could not believe my luck in these places. I've always got someone coming. Raider then strangled Dolores with a pair of pantyhose. And that was it with her. I didn't take any pictures because I thought, well, this guy is coming. I don't want to be in this house. I need to get out of here. I put her in the trunk.
Starting point is 00:51:00 That was not a smart move. The police could have connected her to Hedge. I opened the garage door, backed out, closed it and drove straight down hillside to 53rd Street North, then west to Hydraulic, then south to the KDOT Lakes. He left her body there in the bushes. He drove her car to Christ Lutheran Church and disposed of some items under the church's shed before realizing he had misplaced his gun. He drove back to Dolores's house, retrieved his gun and a few souvenirs, including her jewelry box and a 35-millimeter camera.
Starting point is 00:51:40 He couldn't stop thinking about her body. Catherine Ransline says he wanted to give his biggest fantasy another try. With Dolores Davis, he wanted to do something different. He wanted to take her body and take it to a barn, which had been his fantasy for a very long time, and he'd never managed to do it. It was a foggy, snowy night, so he got lost, and he had to finally just dump the body out under a bridge. He left her body under the bridge at 117th Street North, then rushed to get back to the Boy Scout camp.
Starting point is 00:52:21 But Carrie says he still couldn't let Dolores rest. Then he goes back to the camp out and he keeps thinking about her and her body and he can't let it go. And he thinks, well, it's not the best place. It's just not set, staged right the way he wants it. And he stages her with a mask, like probably one of the ones he was wearing in some of his bondage fantasies. Because he doesn't like that she's decaying, right? Like you'll hear these other guys talk about this, like they don't like the way they look after they're murdered or they're not alive. So he puts a mask on her and then he finally has to let her go.
Starting point is 00:53:00 So now he's driving back and he stops at a rest stop because he's got to change his clothes back into his Boy Scout outfit. And he gets caught by like a highway patrolman. He was there changing his clothes. And the highway patrolman was questioning him and asking him what he was doing. Next time on Monster BTK. But my daughter came to me and said, Dad, you know, Dennis has showed up in our backyard a couple times. He gave me a list of 55 different projects of women he had seen and stalked. He can't help himself. It's like an iceberg, right?
Starting point is 00:53:40 Like you're only seeing the very tip of somebody with him. He thought, you know, I the very tip of somebody with him. He thought, you know, I'm the smartest guy in the room and they're never going to catch me. My dad snaps and he just lunges out of his chair at my brother. He starts strangling him from the front. Cops say the case that was once cold may be warm yet again. I just got this feeling. I want to know this guy.
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Starting point is 00:55:47 a cultural phenomenon. Our family legacy is this ranch. I'm the protector of my life. Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're fascinated by the darker sides of humanity, join us every week on our podcast, Serial Killers,
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Starting point is 00:56:39 Tremorchi. Holly Frye And I'm Holly Frye. Together, we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime. Holly Frye Each season, we explore a new theme from poisoners to art thieves. HOST We uncover the secrets of history's most interesting figures from legal injustices to body snatching.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Holly Frye And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mocktails inspired by each story. Listen to Criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It was big news. I mean, white girl gets murdered, found in a cemetery. Big, big news. A long investigation stalls until someone changes their story. I like saw. Nothing to happen. An arrest, trial, and conviction soon follow. He did not kill her.
Starting point is 00:57:28 There's no way. Is the real killer rightly behind bars or still walking free? Did you kill her? Listen to The Real Killer, season three, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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