Monster: BTK - Le Monstre S2- Episode 1: A Cold Dark Night
Episode Date: November 3, 2025A new season of Le Monstre is available now. Check out episode 1, "A Cold Dark Night" December 22, 1996, Jacqueline Leclercq vanishes from her apartment in the city of Mons in Belgium. Despite suspici...ous circumstances, her disappearance garners little media attention. Jacqueline wasn't the first and would not be the last in a series of disappearances that would soon shock the country.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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actually.
It was a Sunday and my sister Jacqueline
and I went to visit her mom's place near Mons.
And that afternoon, Jacqueline took a bath.
I can still picture it and her saying
it feels good to take a nice bath, so relaxing.
December 22nd, 1996
will forever remain etched in the memory of Georgette Leclerc.
That day, she and her sister Jacqueline got together at their mother's house
near the city of Mons and Belgium for a little pre-Christmas get-together.
Jacqueline didn't bring a change of clothes, so I lent her some.
That evening, I suggested she should stay at my place, but she didn't want to.
She really wanted me to take her home that night.
On the road back to her place, we agreed to see.
speak the following day to plan something for Christmas as a family.
The short trip back to Jacqueline's place in the center of Mons took about 10 minutes.
She lived in a small third-floor apartment in a relatively quiet street for a busy city.
So at around 8 p.m., I dropped her off in front of her apartment.
I remember it was really cold and dark.
Her street wasn't well-lit at all, so to reassure her and to reassure myself as well,
I told her I would stay in the car until she was safely inside.
She didn't seem scared.
She got out of the car and opened her front door.
And then she waved at me and then went inside.
What Georgette didn't know then
was that this would be the last time she would ever see her sister, Jacqueline.
One of several disappearances in 1996 and 97
in the Belgian city of Maals
that would become one of Europe's most horrifying cold cases
linked to a mysterious and sadistic serial killer.
And now the
Bacabre, mysterious,
the members of...
Hello to Abrae, pretty,
two sack of pebble, confand,
rest of human, who were discovered.
And now the disappearance of a woman from Mont, Jacqueline LeClaude.
Mr. Voguek, why we're attacked?
The condition of the victims was sickening.
And the question remains, where is the killer?
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and this is Le Monstre Season 2, The Butcher of Mons.
I've just arrived at the central station in Mons after an easy one-hour train ride from Brussels,
where I've lived since the summer of 95.
It's been 30 years since I moved here from Austin, Texas.
But I vividly remember living through this case as it began to unfold in 1996.
It was terrifying.
And to a certain extent, it still is, because decades.
later, the case has never been solved. I've traveled down to Mons today with Xavier de Kahn,
a private investigator who's helped me on other cases. Xavier has an uncanny ability to find
things in people and to approach hard questions from different angles. On this first trip,
our goal is to get our heads around the case and immerse ourselves in how events actually
unfolded from the ground level.
Malse is a charming city in southern Belgium
just four miles from the northern border of France
you can see the remnants of the Middle Ages
all around the densely packed center
just a stones throw away from where Xavier and I are walking right now
we're here to meet with Morgan van Lairberg
an author who studied Jacqueline Leclerkes
extensively
after a short walk in the port
pouring rain, we met at a cafe near the train station.
Morden is a font of knowledge about this affair.
You'll hear another voice in the background,
who would prefer to remain anonymous given his previous role in this sensitive case.
We brave the weather and make our way towards the last place Jeklien was seen
before she disappeared on the 22nd of December, 1996.
So we're standing in front of Jeklein's apartment.
And it's really quite a desolate area here, actually.
And there's not much happening.
Her streets very quiet, very short, very small.
And you can picture it at night on a winter evening being extremely dark and kind of almost scary.
Morgan got to know and interview Jacqueline's sister Georgette,
whose words you heard voiced in English at the beginning of the episode.
So I asked him what she told him about that night she dropped off Jacqueline.
She waited for Jacqueline to go inside and waited until she saw her turn the light on in the apartment.
We are certain that Jacqueline went into her apartment at that moment.
But when she was dropped off, she was wearing her sister's clothes
because she didn't have any clean clothes after taking a bath at her sister's house.
And Georgette told me that it could have been possible that since she was working all the next week
and Christmas was coming, she could have gone to the laundromat right here next to her apartment
that night to do laundry.
Jacqueline's sister never gave up looking for the truth.
Sadly, she passed away in 2022 without her finding answers.
All of her testimony that you'll hear in this series is based on word-for-word translations
of her statements and interviews voiced in English.
already starting from the day after she dropped off Jacqueline
in front of her small apartment
where Morgan and I are standing right now
she knew something was wrong
here are Georgette's words
on the next day
December 23rd
Jacqueline was supposed to call me
or my mother but she didn't
that's when we realized something was wrong
it was from that moment
from that lack of contact the next day,
that the nightmare began for me and for my mother.
Jacqueline and her sister were planning to spend Christmas together in two days.
Having heard nothing from her sister, Georgette began to worry.
I didn't go to the police because, well, I thought
they would make us wait like ten days before starting a search.
So I decided that search for my sister, myself.
I started with the family.
checking with her ex-husband and also around the area where she lived.
After several days of desperate searching, her family finally went to the police,
and Jacqueline was added to the national database of missing persons.
The initial investigation consisted of a cursory search of her apartment,
interviews with family members, and a records review.
Eventually, her case made the local news.
And now the disappearance of a woman from Mont, Jacqueline LeClerc, 33 years old.
This young woman has short light brown hair and blue eyes.
Five feet three inches tall with a normal build.
She is French speaking.
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So much so that she felt the need to her sister, Jacqueline was apprehensive about something in the time leading up to her disappearance, so much so that she felt the need to protect herself.
One of the last time I saw her at Mom's house in early December
When I took her jacket from the coat rack
I felt something in one of her pockets
It was a big nail
She grabbed it and said
See, I have something to defend myself if someone comes after me
By all accounts, Jacqueline Leclerc was a kind and pleasant person
Why would this quiet mother of four
Feel the need to walk around with a big nail in her pocket for protection
Jacqueline was turning the page on a difficult time in her life.
To fully understand her situation, we have to take a step back.
Jacqueline and her older sister Georgette had a great relationship despite their seven years of separation.
Growing up, Georgette always took care of her little sister and loved her dearly.
They were raised in a middle-class family unit with loving parents.
Jacqueline always had a cool, big sister, who looked after her.
In her early teenage years, however, tragedy befell the family.
Her father fell ill with thrombosis and could no longer work.
He couldn't stand the thought of not providing for his family.
and sank into a deep depression.
When Jacqueline was only 13, her father committed suicide.
This drastically changed the course of her life.
Their family unit was broken.
Her sister Georgette was 20 years old at the time.
She had already moved out of the family home and started her life as a young adult.
But as a young teen, Jacqueline was lost.
Such an awful tragedy during these crucial format of years changed the course of her life.
When her father died, Jacqueline had to grow up quickly.
She wanted to be independent.
She married a guy named Angelou at a very young age.
Mom wasn't in favor of the marriage.
At first, it seems nice to me, but I changed my mind later.
Angela was dishonest and possessive of Jacqueline.
Jacqueline and Angelo had two children while Jacqueline was still a teenager, and then two more in her early 20s.
Her life transitioned abruptly from a girl with loving parents to a young teenager with children and a dominating husband.
Unsurprisingly, there was tension in the marriage.
She loved her children very much, but she was overwhelmed by the events that marked her life.
The situation quickly spiraled out of control, and she and Angelo separated.
When she disappeared, they were in the process of divorcing, and it wasn't going well.
Angelo was greedy, and he wouldn't let her go.
When things didn't go his way, he could become violent.
I asked Morgan what he knows about the relationship between Jacqueline and her ex-husband, Angelo, at the time.
Jacqueline quickly fell in love with Angelo, who was very dominating.
They had children, and she became a housewife.
According to sister, Angela was.
was violent with her. She was unhappy and living a dreadful life. She tried to leave him several times,
but when he wanted to, he could always get her back. But at one point, he found a new woman,
who was quite similar to Jacqueline, and so he left her and she found herself alone. And at that
point, she really lost her footing. She spent some time in psychiatric care because she was
devastated, but at the time she disappeared, she was just starting to get her life back under control.
Georgette and many others, including some in law enforcement,
suspected that Angelo could have been behind Jacqueline's disappearance.
The difficult end to their rocky relationship had left its marks,
and according to her sister,
Jacqueline felt threatened by Angelo after the separation.
He was never arrested or charged with any involvement,
and to this day he refuses to talk about the case.
So I don't really have much to go on,
now that both of her parents and only sibling have passed away.
I have a short video of Jacqueline that was taken not long before her disappearance.
She's looking into the camera and smiling shyly.
She's very pretty, with beautiful skin and delicate features.
Her eyes are friendly, but cautious, and she seems slightly uncomfortable to be filmed,
but at the same time, flattered to be the focus of the camera.
Morgan showed me other pictures of Jacqueline that her sister shared with him.
She's often dressed down with a tomboy look.
Her sister explained that she tended to hide her beauty to avoid unwanted advances.
As I look at these pictures in this video, I find myself asking,
what did those kind eyes staring back at me see that no one's been able to figure out?
As the investigation continued, police got access to Jacqueline's bank information,
and they discovered a troubling detail.
There had been two failed attempts to use her debit card at the ATM located near her apartment
at approximately 1 a.m. the next morning.
When her sister learned about this, it jogged her memory,
and she recalled that during the drive back to Jacqueline's apartment that night,
She'd mentioned that she wanted to go check the state of her accounts at the ATM,
but her sister convinced her to wait until the next morning because it was already dark,
and Jacqueline agreed and went directly into her apartment.
On the one hand, it makes sense that Jacqueline could have visited the ATM,
as she'd mentioned it to her sister on the way home that night.
On the other hand, it makes no sense at all that she would have forgotten her pencode,
leading to the failed transactions.
In fact, it would seem to indicate that her daughter,
disappearance could be linked to some sort of robbery.
We're back in the center of Mons with Morgan van Lerberg in front of the apartment where
Jacqueline was last seen.
I want to understand the location of this ATM, where we have the last potential sign of life
from Jacqueline.
So now we're going to time the walk from Jacqueline's house to her ATM machine, where she might
have gotten cash.
but where her bank card was used, apparently, two times or refused two times that night.
So we're going to do the timing.
The walk from Jacqueline's apartment to the ATM in question cuts across several apartment blocks
mixed with commercial buildings.
It's kind of a rough neighborhood, and I'm told that it was rougher than it is today, back in 1996,
especially at night.
I try to imagine myself in Jacqueline's shoes,
making this trip at 1 o'clock in the morning
on a cold and dark December night.
Honestly speaking, I just don't see it.
Her sister said she was tired that night.
She'd already eaten and taken a bath
and gotten back to her apartment.
It was freezing cold and dark,
and it's a dangerous route.
After about a six-minute walk,
we arrive at the spot where the ATM was located
in 1996.
Okay, we're arriving where the attempts to use her bank card
happened at around one in the morning on the 23rd of December.
The particularity is that it's not well situated.
It's in a dark area out of view.
There was a surveillance camera on the ATM machine,
but it was out of order at the time.
Unfortunately, as it could.
could have helped answer a number of questions.
It's incredibly frustrating that the surveillance camera of the ATM wasn't working that night.
That footage would have given us concrete information about those transactions.
Without it, we're left to speculate on if they played a part in her disappearance or not.
The ATM no longer exists.
As we stood there, soaked to the bone in the freezing rain,
me with my headphones and several other guys staring at a brick,
wall, we definitely got some funny looks from passers-by. The street next to the ATM had a number
of abandoned buildings that had been inhabited by squatters and probably drug dealers back in 96.
Apparently, there was another serious crime involving this ATM, where two men burglarized
and murdered a person in their apartment nearby and used the victim's debit card to withdraw cashier.
This underscores how dangerous this area was at the time.
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This person writes,
My neighbor's been blasting music every day and doing dirt rituals, and now my ceiling is collapsing.
I try to report them, but things keep getting weirder.
I think they may be part of a cult.
Hold up, Sophia. A real-life cult? And what is a dirt ritual?
No clue. But according to this person, contractors are tearing down the patio to find out what's going on with their ceiling and her neighbors are not happy.
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She did. And now they've been confronting her in really creepy ways all the time.
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Two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over.
But one will end up dead.
The other tried for murder.
Not once.
People went wild.
Not twice.
Stunned.
But three times.
John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive.
And they're devoted to each other.
They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular, circular home, high on the top of a hill.
But little by little, their dream starts to crumble, and our couple retreat from reality.
They lose it. They actually lose it.
They sort of went nuts.
Until one night, everything spins out of control.
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I have never seen
He says the police are his friends
And then that's it
They turn on it
A corrupt detective
How he was interrogated the techniques
That's crazy
A snitch and a life stolen
They got the wrong guy
But on the inside
Lee Harris finds an ally
In his cellie Robert
Who swears to tell the truth
About what happened to Lee
And free his friend
And if you're with me
You're golden
I'll take care of you
I'm going to be with you. You stuck with me for life.
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heard at the top of the episode, this case is still unsolved. I wouldn't be traipsing around
this rough neighborhood soaked to the bone in the freezing rain of late November if it wasn't
important. I'm convinced the disappearance of Jacqueline Leclerc holds the keys to the entire
story which will follow. After the two failed attempts at the ATM around 1 a.m. on
December 23rd, Jacqueline's timeline goes cold. She didn't show up for a.m.
on the following day.
From the very beginning, Georgette became convinced that someone abducted her sister.
She constantly retraced her steps the night she dropped Jacqueline off,
recalled conversations, and racked her brain to search for any details that might serve as clues.
During the police search of my sister's apartment, I was present as a witness.
There is one detail that disturbed me.
Not at the time, but later.
I remember a pack of cigarettes, dark in color, from a brand I didn't recognize, placed near
the window where she would smoke when the weather allowed it.
I'm certain that my sister didn't smoke that brand.
And I remember there were cigarettes butts in the ash tree, a lot of them.
Jacqueline was in the habit of leaving them lying around in her apartment.
She didn't like the smell of stale tobacco.
If Jacqueline had someone over that evening, they could have been the perpetrator's cigarettes.
At the time, the police were merely investigating the disappearance of an adult woman,
one of over 30,000 estimated missing persons in Belgium in the mid-90s.
They didn't consider testing the cigarette butts left behind.
Even if they had, DNA testing in Belgium was still in its infancy at the time.
another missed opportunity with the benefit of hindsight.
The author, Morgan von Lerberg, followed up extensively with Jacqueline's sister about this pack of cigarettes.
She was 100% sure that they couldn't have been Jacqueline's.
If not, then who's were they?
Jacqueline was extremely private and didn't regularly have people over to her apartment.
If we assume they belonged to the person responsible for her disappearance, it would mean that she must have known.
on the perpetrator. In terms of possible suspects, this would tighten the profile considerably
and lower the probability that this was a crime of opportunity.
As the New Year arrived and winter's icy grip began to thaw, Georgette refused to give up on
her sister. She took matters into her own hands, creating missing persons' posters and tirelessly
plastering them throughout the neighborhood and in places where Jacqueline was known to frequent.
One of these places was Jacqueline's favorite spot for a quick bite to eat.
A small fast food restaurant near the central train station of Mons, the same station where
Xavier and I arrived this morning.
After visiting Jacqueline's apartment and the ATM where a card was refused, we've now come
full circle back to the central station.
We're standing in front of a small fast food restaurant that's
Jacqueline was known to frequent.
It's about a 10-minute walk from her apartment.
I can imagine 30 years ago, Giorgette canvassing this area,
missing persons' posters in hand, desperate to find answers.
It's quite possible that at that time,
she crossed paths with Jacqueline's abductor or his next fix.
On March 16th, 1997, just under three months after Jacqueline's disappearance, another young woman vanished.
This time, from right outside of this very same restaurant, she was standing on this sidewalk,
waiting for her friends who were inside ordering food to go.
I wonder if she saw one of Shackleen's faded missing person.
posters plastered in the window, moments before she, too, vanished without a trace.
The fragile sense of safety in malls would forever be changed, replaced by a frenzy of panic and fear.
Carbara and mysterious discovery of body parts apparently dismembered with a saw, according to investigators.
Partial remains of three women were found in trash bags in Quem near Mons.
It was really a crazy time in Belgium. I mean, stories were breaking every day.
Good afternoon. In Havre near Mons, two garbage bags containing human remains were discovered.
The body parts are currently at the Forensics Institute in Léges,
for examination.
The similarities with the three cadavers
discovered in Quem 15 days ago are flagrant.
Investigators believe it is the same perpetrator.
There had never been a serial killer like this in Belgium,
much less in Montes.
And now we had the most grotesque story ever.
We felt like we were in the presence of someone
who was going to the grave with nightmarish secrets.
The Monstre is a production of Tenderfoot TV and IHeart Podcasts.
Hosted, written, and executive produced by me, Matt Graves.
Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay are executive producers on the behalf of Tenderfoot TV
with producer makeup and vanity set.
Matt Frederick and Trevor Young are executive producers on the behalf of IHart Podcasts.
Original music by Jay Ragsdale.
Sound design and master by Cooper Skinner.
Cover designed by Byron McCoy and Trevor Eiler.
Le Monstre includes archival audio from Sonema, RTBF archives.
Special thanks to Oren Rosenbaum and the team at UTA,
the Nord Group, and our active investigation team,
Morgan Van Lerberk, Frederic Lour, Zavier de Kohn, and Alain Cardon,
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Wait a minute, Sophia.
How do you know she's a cult leader?
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So we'll find out soon.
This person writes,
My neighbor has been blasting music every day and doing dirt rituals.
And now my ceiling is collapsing.
I try to report them, but things keep getting weirder.
I think they might be part of a...
Hold up. A real life cult?
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