Moonshots with Peter Diamandis - How AI Will Democratize Education for the World w/ Sal Khan & Jacqueline Novogratz | EP #72

Episode Date: November 9, 2023

In this episode, recorded during this year’s Abundance360 Summit, Sal, Jaqueline, and Peter discuss the evolution of education and the impact of AI on jobs and learning.The conversation also touches on the potential for a significant transformation in education within the next decade, provided that basic infrastructural needs are met. 03:48 | AI's Impact on Education 26:45 | Technology Transforming Education 34:58 | Serialization for Dyslexic Learners Sal Khan is the Founder and CEO of Khan Academy, a nonprofit that provides free, world-class education to anyone, anywhere. Khan Academy partners with more than 280 school districts globally, has over 145 million registered users across 190 countries and is offered in over 51 languages. Khan has been named Teacher of the Year and recognized as one of the 100 Most Influential People by TIME. Jacqueline Novogratz is the founder and CEO of Acumen, a global nonprofit that invests in social enterprises, emerging leaders, and breakthrough ideas to tackle poverty and create sustainable change. She is an advocate for moral leadership and the author of "The Blue Sweater: Bridging the Gap Between Rich and Poor in an Interconnected World," which details her journey from international banker to social entrepreneur.  Learn about Khanmigo Learn more about Acumen Learn more about my executive summit, Abundance360 ____________ I only endorse products and services I personally use. To see what they are,  please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:  Use my code MOONSHOTS for 25% off your first month's supply of Seed's DS-01® Daily Synbiotic: seed.com/moonshots Get started with Fountain Life and become the CEO of your health: https://fountainlife.com/peter/ _____________ I send weekly emails with the latest insights and trends on today’s and tomorrow’s exponential technologies. Stay ahead of the curve, and sign up now:  Tech Blog Get my new Longevity Practices book for free: https://www.diamandis.com/longevity My new book with Salim Ismail, Exponential Organizations 2.0: The New Playbook for 10x Growth and Impact, is now available on Amazon: https://bit.ly/3P3j54J Learn more about my executive summit, Abundance360 _____________ Connect With Peter: Twitter Instagram Youtube Moonshots Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A college education doesn't get you a job. Your peers and your children are going to be like, wow, we were living in the dark ages at a time where not everyone had access to their potential. And right now, that humility to see the world as it is, is to go as fast as we can to build things, not necessarily to help people, but to enable people to help themselves. Let's begin. And let's go to mic one over there. Hey, Bear. How you doing? I'm doing pretty good. How about you? This is my deputy son, Bear. Hi, nice to meet you guys. First of all, Bear, how old are you?

I'm 11. Awesome. Yeah, I have two paternal twin boys. Kristen and I have. We're 11 as well. Best friends with Bear. They're pretty awesome. Yeah, they'll be here in a little bit.

Yeah. What's up, Bear? Not much. Am I allowed to ask my question? You can. You're first. Okay, cool. This one's directed at jacklyn um so i've been wondering

because it's kind of confusing for me because you're kind of helping fund these companies and what what if ai eventually takes over like those labor jobs and the thinking jobs because then what's the point of, I guess, helping those people if they aren't going to, what do you think is going to happen to them once AI takes over labor jobs? You had to ask the hardest question of the whole conference.

Not an easy one. It's hard. Yeah, he's a smart kid. I think about that a lot, actually. That, you know, you take a country like India alone, and every year, 20 million new young people are going into a labor force. And increasingly, where we work,

a college education doesn't get you a job. We've got the largest chicken farm in Ethiopia. And most of the people that are being hired now have college educations because that's where they can make money. So my hope is that these jobs become, that word accompaniment, these jobs end up using the technology to do more things for the world rather than just push people aside. I also think that when we look at agriculture especially where most of the poor people are poor, are farmers, we are going to see a lot of displacement, but we are starting to see new systems where young people are deciding they want to become farmers for the first time in my life, to become farmers rather than leave it because they can produce really beautiful

foods for the people who live locally. And so we might start to see new things happening in the world, but in the short term, all we can do is what we can do. And right now, that humility to see the world as it is is to go as fast as we can to build things,

not necessarily to help people, but to enable people to help themselves. Thank you. Thank you for your question. Ryan, where are you on mic 4? Where's Ryan? This is Bear's sister, my deputy daughter. Hey, Ryan.

Talk to us. What's your comment or question, Ryan? This is kind of more directed to Sal. Uh to us. What's your comment or question, Ryan? This is kind of more directed to Sal. Uh-huh. How much do you think education for kids will change in the next 10 years with AI?

How old are you now, Ryan? Nine. Nine. okay. Yes. Cool. Great, great question. Something I think a lot about. I think a lot of what we currently know about education, some ways, some of those things will stay the same but i think some of the main issues with education like a lot of students honestly don't even have access to you know jacqueline talked a lot about that i think uh college education is you know more and more ridiculously expensive over time um i think you know just being able to have support even if you come even if you even if you have a reasonably well-resourced school you really aren't able to get help right when you need it and so I think those are the things

that in the next 10 years you literally are going to have everyone's going to have a tutor in their pocket or on a computer that's going to be pretty rich that you're going to be able to engage with pretty deeply that isn't just a supplement, something on the side to help you,

but it could also, if you need it to be, almost drive your complete education. You're going to be able to get credit and degrees. Let's call it proof that you have skills that are going to be valuable for folks, and hopefully you can get automatically connected to experiences, jobs, internships, that'll get you what you need. So I think education, I know education is one of these areas that for a while people have been very hopeful, but also they've been very like, oh, I don't know if anything good's

going to happen. We keep trying and nothing really changes. I've never been more bullish that, you know, by the time you're 19 years old, you're going to have a world where, you know, your peers and your children are going to be like, wow, we were living in the dark ages at a time where like not everyone had access to their potential. I think 10 years we'll make that. And the only thing that might keep it is going to be other things like infrastructure, electricity, wars, that will keep people from having access. But if we have those basic things in place, I think pretty much anyone's going to have access to a world.

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We've both been users of Khan Academy for a while. It's surreal actually seeing you and hearing you talk because I've heard you through a screen so much. I feel like I wouldn't have made it have it's a little disappointing seeing the older and shorter I've watched your differential equation Khan Academy video more than I would care to admit but but anyways we're wondering how we can be guinea pigs for Khanmigo. Julian's been using Con Academy in his English classes at school. He's in eighth grade. And I've used them virtually through college, through engineering.

And it's a very, very cool tool. We would love to help you further. Yeah, and there is a process. Actually, anyone here. So this is an interesting phenomenon about these large language models, especially GPT-4, which is an order of magnitude more complex than GPT-3, is that they're not cheap. It's not like internet where the marginal cost is like a few pennies. Right now, it's sizable. We're trying to gauge on how much people are going to use it, but it's definitely on the order of like probably five, 10, $15 a month or something like that.

So what we've done right out the gate while it's in the beta test mode, um, not is we're, we're providing it to some school districts just to start testing it and using it. But we're also making it so that if people donate on, on our site at con labs,

uh, I think it's $20 a month, then that will unlock. You can be on the waiting list of Conmigo. So your parents can, if your parents donate, then they can unlock it once they're taken off the waiting list for the children. So that's what we're gonna do.

And the reason why I'm bullish on it, because even at that price, it's a lot of value relative to like hiring a tutor and all of that. But we have good reason to believe that over the next six to 12 months, that cost is gonna come down by a factor of 10 or a all of that. But we have good reason to believe that over the next six to 12 months, that cost is going to come down by a factor of 10 or a factor of 50. Some on our side efficiency, some on the side of the folks

developing the large language models. But yeah, but if you want to get in like this week or next week or something, yeah, get on the waiting list. Okay, will do. Thank you. Fantastic. Maximilian, let's get it up to Joe.

Thank you, Joe, for your question. Maximilian, what do you got? This one's for Jacqueline. Jacqueline. Oh, hi. Hi, hi. I may actually say I'm a big fan of yours. You actually inspired my first MTP and Moonshot back in 2009, and I spent the last 15 years essentially following that track.

What was it? It was actually empowering entrepreneurs in Africa, building sustainable healthcare companies for their local communities. Fantastic. So I've now actually moved on and amended or developed my moonshot further. And I'm now CEO of a company called Next Boardroom. And our mission is very much along the lines of what your challenge actually is. So bringing the right sustainable mindsets

and competencies into boardrooms around the world. So I would love to talk with you how we can scale Acumen Academy in that context to every company around the world. I would love that. And also so many of the young social entrepreneurs, we need to teach them how to build their boards and then use,

because many of them don't have family and friends networks, find people who can really show up and be great board members for them. So we'd love to have that conversation with you. Thank you. Awesome. And thank you, Maximilian. Thank you.

Let's go to our global virtual members next on Zoom. Josh, what do you have? Yes. Hello, everyone. Zooming in from Denver. Can you hear me okay? Yes. You're great. All right. Great. Yeah. Thanks for the chat here, Sal and Jacqueline's amazing comments. And this question's related to a quote and comment that you had yesterday, Peter, in a breakout session, whereas humans need to become really great at being humans and let the AI and robots do the rest of the computerized and automated work. So leaning into the gratitude for this tech and removing the fear mindset, how do we truly grow and focus on being loving, high quality character and overly vulnerable humans

related to where we are today and where we're headed? I'll tell you, I mean, you know, it could definitely connect to the, what we talked about earlier about the role of the teacher. And in a world of abundance, I mean, this is one thing, I don't, we're ever going to have a surplus of human connection. And so as, you know, even if you just take a classroom as a microcosm for like the world, as you have AIs and tools like Khan Academy

that's able to do a lot more of the coordination, a lot more of the assessment, a lot more of the practice, it unlocks all of that time and space for the human to just have more conversations, have more games, have more simulations. And I actually think we just need to scale that up even beyond the classroom. And what I'm really intrigued by is ways that not only can the technology take things off of the human's plate, but actually can facilitate human connections. human's plate, but actually can facilitate human connections. One thing that I'm hoping to have built in the next year is, we know in middle school, it's a tough time. There's a lot of dynamics, and there's the cool kids, and the cool kids, and there's all these cliques. How amazing if you could have an AI facilitate a conversation between two members of your class. Maybe you don't even know who the person you're talking to, but you can show that vulnerability.

You can show that, hey, there's another human being no matter what their stereotype is. I think things like that are where we're going to get a lot of human value from. There's a term that Dan Sullivan first shared with me. I think it comes from Four Seasons. You know, let's automate the routine and humanize the exceptional, which I love that. Yeah, I love that question. And it's certainly something I'm obsessed with. As I said, how do you teach character?

It's something Sal and I are talking about. What we found, at least on a global level, but with thousands, not yet millions, is through ritual through language through more organized groups and and the Socratic method of having people speak across lines of difference to build a sense of community really is possible and my question now is how do we scale it? And storytelling. Our media continues to tell stories of people who do a lot of bad things and still are put on pedestals rather than those individuals who have an abundance of kindness, an abundance of goodness, abundance of generosity. We know that wealth does not correlate to empathy.

And so part of it, I think, is also finding a new kind of role model, which is sort of an old-fashioned kind of role model, but the ones that we want to be like, but we're sometimes afraid to really celebrate and our media could do a better job. And so can we. We're going to go to Julian on Zoom one more time. Thank you for your question.

And then we're going to go to John next over here. So Julian, where are you and what's your question? What's going on? Hey, I'm reporting here from one of the villas in the resort. So not too far based in San Francisco though. But yeah, great talk from the both of you. Yeah, I'm going to ride off of Avera's first question since that's been very top of mind because I'm building an AI learning tool. Name was Belia. So learning and AI has been

super top of mind. And the question here is based on the challenge that there's, you know, the world's moving faster than ever and there's massive disruption that's going to come from jobs. So it's a question around what are the future proof skills? What are the future proof jobs? How do we deal with that transition period from like so many people just being displaced? I think learning has a lot to do with it. So it's like, what should we be learning? And how do we become exponential learners and individuals in this new exponential age?

Thank you, Julian. All right, Sal, do you want to take that on? Yeah, it's something I've been struggling with. You know, I think a lot of us try to run optimistic about, you know, inflection points in technology and new jobs that we can't imagine can be created. I know, you know, we've all heard that. But it is amazing. I mean, just even over the last six months, when, you know, as soon as we had access to GPT-4 back in August, I started telling all of our team members, like, look, you got to figure out

how this is changing your work. I mean, we've done as a not-for-profit, we've done things like an email exchange with a donor. We just take those 10 emails, throw it to GPT-4 and it wrote the proposal for us. And then we tweaked it for like, you know, 20 minutes, but then it got that done. I was originally, so I was like, oh, maybe this is the skill of the future, being able to be a prompt engineer and tweak the AI.

But then as we were working with OpenAI, it got more steerable. So we had to do a little bit less of the dark art of how do you get the AI to do exactly what you want. So if I were to guess in two or three generations, even that is going to, that's not- Go raise me money. Raising money might always be a AI-proof skill. But yeah, I think it'll be the human, the ability, I think the critical thinking plus the human connection. If you can form bonds with other human beings, I think you're thinking plus the human connection. If you can form bonds with

other human beings, I think you're always going to have a strong edge. And I'll say one last thing, my college roommate, he's this guy that none of us thought we're going to, he's not like the wheeler dealer, stereotypical VC guy, but he's always a guy that he's super vulnerable. He becomes best friends with anyone, wherever he is. And he's become an incredibly successful investor, essentially based on that skill. And the more I think about it, I think his skill is probably the most fascinating. Yeah. I think the caring economy really matters here, that we're becoming lonely as a society. And so whether it's an accompaniment model that we saw first in Africa and now we're seeing in the United States where people will call people with chronic diseases to see not only if they've taken their meds, but are they exercising, helping them learn how to grocery shop, etc., etc.

was the bonds that would be created within community. What we did expect is that people would stay healthy and not get sick, and that would save a lot of money, and you could build a revenue model around it. So I actually think that those individuals who can show up, can care, can build community, will also be something that we not only value, but longer-term monetize. Everybody, I want to take a quick break from our episode

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We've seen great progress by providing additional health care and nutrition for our children, accelerated learning. And I was curious, do any of your entrepreneurs invest in nutrition and health care to facilitate education? And in the spirit of the conference, how might we use AI to benefit us in those places? That's a great question. We don't invest directly in nutrition, but we do invest in education. And a lot of the best education models either will partner with philanthropy or the state because of the power of, as you know, a single healthy meal every day. In countries like India with a 45% child malnutrition rate, or across Africa where you've got stunting pretty much across the continent,

that really matters. I don't have off the top of my mind for you a particular company that is focused specifically on the school feeding. But I'll give that some thought. Perhaps there's an opportunity there. Yeah. I mean, we lose 40% of our agricultural production before it gets to the plate. In the developing world, it's all food rots on the side of the road.

It's never sold at market. You could actually see AI doing a much better job locating and finding ways to move that food more effectively to the people who really need it. It would be one thing that would come to mind. And then, of course, in the wealthy world, we lose 40% of the food after it gets to our plate, and we just waste it. And so I would think there's a huge opportunity there. We've got something like 15 questions and 12 minutes left, so I'm going to speed round a little bit.

As a young Kenyan guy said to me, so please, be short. So this is from Slido. This is for Sal from one of your former students. What do you need or are looking for in a partner to help reach sultanas in the world? I'll say two things really fast. One, we have 50 plus localization efforts, including in Pashto, Dari Farsi, and all of these.

And there's other parts like Afghanistan, if we're talking about the Middle East, et cetera. So folks can actually volunteer and localize. We have different degrees of efforts in every geography. So that's one, I think, thing that anyone can do if they have language skills. The second one is, I hate to say it, but resources do matter here.

I was telling Peter earlier that for domestic English, like our budget's a budget of about a large high school. It's about 60 million a year. Global education spends 5 trillion a year. So we're a vapor of a vapor of that. But like we think, you know, for like, if we were able to put about a million or two behind supporting our platform to go right to left,

that would be a huge thing. That's a million we're trying to raise. I was having dinner with Will.i.am and the patrons on Sunday night, and he said something that was amazing. He said, you know, raising money to educate AIs is easy. Raising money to educate our kids is hard. Yeah.

Crazy. He's right. Raising money is hard. Period. Let's go to Harsh on harsh on on mic three please hi thanks a lot for organizing this like one we have two questions actually but let me just give you let's pick one because we have a lot of people waiting sure so basically the question we have is uh i actually went to india and we use tried to use k Khan Academy's thing and I also tried to use robots.

Right. And one thing which we found out was kids actually were building robots. They got to learn a lot more and it was very hard for them to learn directly from Khan Academy. So what we did was we actually created something called Hollow World, where holographically now they were able to combine minecraft type of things roblox minecraft with lego type of things and that has actually done very well so and there is in india there is something called co-profit right so you can i have csr where people can actually take money from profits and put it into non-profit so why in your case these two have not happened?

And the second question is, is there an API with Khan Academy which I can use for this holographic universe I'm building which can be integrated so that I can present this Alexander, all these things are there in the holographic world, but we need an API. Yeah, unfortunately, we don't have the API today.

It might be coming back in the next year or two. In terms of, I agree with you, if you can embody it and all of that, I mean, I think that's, we talked about the sultanas. There are certain students who can just power through in the current form factor, but the more that we can make it engaging,

we can make it embodied, whatever, I think it is going to help a ton. Let's go to Carl on mic two. Carl. Thank you both for the impact you're making first of all but sal my questions for you is uh i'm curious what your predictions are related to avatars and and kind of how that either replaces teachers or kind of acts as that tutor to teachers and interestingly yesterday we heard a stat on how children actually are more likely to tell the

truth to an avatar psychologist versus a physical person there. So I'm curious how you think that plays in education. Yeah, I'll say a couple of real quick things is, you know, what we've always said is we want to raise the floor for so many kids because they don't have access to school. So there, and we think now with the AI, the floor can be raised pretty significantly. So it's even better than your average well-resourced experience at some point. But we also want to raise the ceiling. If you have an amazing teacher, we're going to be able to make that teacher even more empowered. In terms of avatars themselves, yeah, it's funny.

When I watched the Harry Potter series, I always thought the craziest, most unrealistic part of Harry Potter were those picture frames that could represent dead people and that could talk. And now I realize that's actually the most realistic part of Harry Potter. And so I think there's something very interesting. I think there's even a couple of startups that are already like, you can download someone's personality and it's about to get a lot better. Yeah, we got the tech hub over here. Go and check it out. So, so yeah, I, I, I think you're going to have a way to kind of persist and create people. I mean,

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Now back to the episode. We're going to be going to zoom in a moment, but Zaya, what's your question? Yeah. So I'm drawn towards Sultana, right? And these other Sultanas that didn't believe that they could actually transcend this paradigm. So I'm thinking of systems thinking and meadows. And one of the biggest levers is helping people realize that they're in a paradigm, right? And are you doing anything utilizing exponential technologies to help people realize that they're fit within this box and inspiring that desire to learn? And the same thing to you, Jacqueline, with this coffee company that you're working with, those sorts of things.

How do you inspire these people to take charge and take that first step to utilize these amazing tools? You know, I think the first step is just giving them a place where they can realize that they are interested in discovering these academic abilities. And when they can see, oh, compared to my brothers in the local school, I'm actually learning more. And wow, there's all this interesting stuff. I think the AI is going to access that more. I think we've all, many of us, when you're reading a book and you're like, wow, I really connect with Voltaire or I really connect with Mark Twain, but that's a one-way

situation. I think the artificial intelligence turns this into a two-way conversation. So I think we're going to be able to unlock even more there. But I think the number one thing is as soon as people can start to say, wow, I'm exercising, just as it feels good to exercise your body, as soon as you exercise your mind and you realize what you're capable of, it starts to put you on a path. Yeah. I also think that storytelling and finding more people who look like the people that we're also looking to empower really matters. We have a company that is essentially a woman doctor in Pakistan. 30% of all women doctors stop practicing when they get married. So first you have to change that. first you have to change that, has put all these women doctors on a tech platform so that they can actually provide health care to rural women, often for the first time in their lives. So you've got

to get rural women in places like northern Pakistan, where the education rate or literacy rate is 4% for women, to trust that they can talk to a doctor who might be sitting in New York and use that. But the fact that they look like them, they can speak the language, and that there are local agents, and Sal and I were talking about this before, including with education, that local teacher, she might be illiterate, but she'll be learning at the same time as the students learn. That role modeling is really, really important. And then the second way through storytelling would be things like for farmers in India, you can tell me if I'm wrong,

but Bollywood actors actually really matter for that kind of endorsement. And so things we might not really, things we might take for granted are often wrong. And so I think that we need more creativity and that's also where AI can help us. I'm going to try and power through three more questions. We're going to Robert on Zoom. Keep it short if you would. Robert, where are you and what's your question?

Hi, calling from Phoenix, Arizona. So my question is for Saul, is there a way for the Khan Academy to partner with the industry to bring courses that don't exist in colleges for vocational specific learning, such as in soil engineering, which is a practice that is done virtually beyond what they teach in college? Great question. Simple answer is yes. And what I've been, you know, some people think vocational, they think it's only a certain category and not the kind of the career track white collar jobs. One of the things I'm fascinated in is

can we give people this core set of skills that you don't need to sit in a chair for four years, but put you even in the same category as a college graduate, but also obviously could work on these things that we don't normally associate with a college degree. So the simple answer is yes. And we're working on it. We're starting to talk to several companies about, hey, if someone just did this on Khan Academy, why don't you put them in the same category as someone with a 3.5 GPA from Stanford? And the companies are serious about it now. Fantastic. Jeff Peoples, what's your question,

pal? Jacqueline, what access do we have to your teaching about character development what is there something that we could bring on to our teams especially our you know young people here in the United States you're saying well why anywhere around the world I'm just you know I'm just like okay and it's actually especially more important for around the world because it's like, no, anyway, you have something that we can access now. So I don't, so I have a, I have a couple of books, but my last book is called Manifesto for a Moral Revolution. And it's 12 practices that we have found in our most successful entrepreneurs to be very effective in building companies that put our humanity at the center.

It's all about character. And then Acumen Academy is the start. There are about 40 different courses already that are very much about that. And we're starting to partner with corporations that are having their teams take the courses together. And so we'd love to talk to you about both of those. And Jacquelineeline you're going to be staying here through Thursday no only through this evening okay so Jacqueline's here at lunch and in the evening so this is a crowd that wears a lot of black so you should be able to find me Carla you're our final question here sorry guys yes Sal thank. I'm going to become a donor and you're my hero. I'm a pioneer in advancing education for dyslexic learners. I've founded Athena Academy in the Bay Area. And so my question

is, how can we work with Khan Academy so it works better for dyslexic kids? We love what you do, but our dyslexics don't work as well as non-dyslexics with your materials and platform. Yeah, well, first of all, thank you. You know, honestly, I think it's just a bandwidth and serialization issue. You know, we've gotten some feedback that it does work for certain students with dyslexia and other, you know, learning differences, but we haven't honestly been able to focus on that problem in particular. You probably have good insights there. So, you know, if there's low-hanging fruit that if we did X, Y, and Z, it could dramatic,

like we want to hear that. And then, you know, I'm hoping in the next several years, we can start to have more capacity to start, you know, focusing on some of these situations. I hope we can talk. Yeah, absolutely. Wonderful. All right, ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Sal Khan

and Jacqueline Novogratz.