Moore Style - Behind Celebrity Glamour: The Untold Truths of Red Carpet Beauty Prep | Danielle Waugh

Starting point is 00:00:00 It is not glamorous. Not even a little bit. You know, people are naked or half naked, they're eating, you're on your, like sometimes I'm on my knees doing makeup, you know, or pulling here this way, but oh so freaking good. The intensity of it all is just magnanimous.

Starting point is 00:00:19 I get my energy from the sun. The sun are people to me. You know, I'm not the kind of person that I want to sit in a room by myself. People make me extraordinarily happy. they bring me true, true joy. And I always hope and pray that when I'm around them, they feel that. You're listening to More Style, a podcast to help you transform your image and transform your influence. What do the Tony Awards, Vogue magazine, and Bob Iger all have in common? If you don't know,

Starting point is 00:00:52 he's the president of Disney. Well, that is Danielle Waugh, the queen of makeup artists, the celebrity makeup artist she's going to talk to us today about what it means to work in the industry how she got there and what it means if you are thinking about being a makeup artist in this world so i can't wait to dive into what she has to say today welcome danielle i'm like who is she talking about it feels so surreal thanks for having me celeste i'm excited to be here i'm so excited to have you on the show finally i know so miss danielle she has done my hair and makeup for today because uh you know she truly is gifted and when i tell you we met through a friend um and that's usually how a lot of my guests come on my show i either met them at a mastermind or

Starting point is 00:01:42 through a friend uh and i don't even think she knew you too well but no i we're definitely closer than she and i were you and her are um so we've kind of pushed her out and now we're together and we're married and that's it we're just in love at this point but it's been a great time meeting you and even glamming you today for this just i feel like we're in sync completely forever definitely yeah she has gotten me ready for the two my last two new york fashion weeks and that's always been super fun and exciting but always exciting i know i want so i've written a few questions because i feel that some of the audience is really curious to get to know you i want them to get to know you on a level that i do so got you um you've worked with some of the

Starting point is 00:02:30 most powerful names across politics art and broadway so what's one thing that every high profile client has in common when they sit in your chair i would say the vulnerability to show their insecurities. I think that we place these people on this pedestal, thinking that they feel, I guess, maybe better than, or like they operate on some higher level or playing field than we do. And at the end of the day, they're just human beings. They bleed like we do. So I feel when they're in my chair with me, and this is why it's always paramount for me to make sure that they feel comfortable, because they do let their guard down. At the end of the day, I'm in their crown, You know, I'm in their space completely.

Starting point is 00:03:18 So I'm allowed to see their insecurities and vulnerabilities. And that is consistent across the board with everybody. I love that you said that because me just going into the celebrity world also, right? You just have to, they're humans. They're just like us. They have insecurities like us. And like you said, they are vulnerable because you're in their most vulnerable place. It's like their face and their hair.

Starting point is 00:03:43 Correct, correct, correct. And I feel like that relationship has to be honored, has to be coveted. You know, it's very sacred to have someone in such that intimate place with you. You know, it's a lot of trust there. So I really, really honor the space that I share with them and feel blessed that they feel comfortable to even have that space with me. Yeah, that's so great. And I'm glad that you mentioned that because it truly is just we're people and we all want to feel beautiful. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:04:15 We all want to feel that. Yeah, it's just one of those things, you know. So I always say people always ask a lot of questions about celebrities. But like I said, that's the common thread. That thing where we all have this thing about us, you know. And it could be the smallest thing that nobody sees but us. And it could be something that was planted when we were kids or from parents, whatever it is. But we all walk around with something.

Starting point is 00:04:40 And I think it's always helpful to have people in your circle, your cipher. that helps to kind of change that narrative that one thing that you see bad about yourself or as a negative to try to twist it into a positive you know so yeah I love that yeah I um this next question I want to get to know you a little bit dig in dig tell me your story what was the moment you realized beauty was more than just makeup it was really your mission I guess it's twofold for me so I got into the beauty industry because of my insecurity um somebody made me bald so um when I was I know I know trust no one but me obviously um but when I was younger I was going to junior prom and from a Caribbean household anything that was too embracing of your femininity

Starting point is 00:05:33 whether that means it's you know certain colors or dresses or hair styles or heels it just seemed too adult so I was going to my junior prom and the only thing I was allowed to get done was get my eyebrows done and at the time the only place that we knew where that service was provided was the nail salon they would do your wax in the back yeah so I was so excited you know like I couldn't get everything but I got this one thing so it made me feel really grown and I get to the back and I you know lay on the table and she's half speaking in English half speaking and I don't know what language and I'm like yeah yeah yeah you know just excited to be there and she does the wax and everything is fine and I go to junior prom feeling like the belle of the ball feeling really cute

Starting point is 00:06:20 really cutesy and I notice now I am approaching a month before high school and my brow hair is not growing back and it turns out that the wax that she used was too hot so it burned my hair follicles but as a young girl you always hear beauty is pain you know and I was sitting there thinking that it's supposed to feel that way that's probably what you know adult women are feeling and I'm just young I'm just not used to it or expectant of it but it burned my hair follicles and it never grew back so here I was going into high school and all the girls had these nice full brows and I had none and at the time black brows were a thing so I'd borrow my mother's black pencil and just kind of fill my brows in gently and there and started the monster

Starting point is 00:07:11 where I realized you had the ability to again with the insecurity tweak something with the purchase of something because you would never think that um just buying something to tweak a look could change how you felt but I felt like I was armored for like the grittiness that came with going into high school and the visibility of being a teenage girl but it made me feel really good and that's when I realized uh-huh I'm on to something but to I think get to the further point of me getting into this part of what has become my career that came many many many years later from a Caribbean household this was not allowed this is shameful this is a no-no what I'm doing why is that because I feel like immigrant parents they struggle so much to get you here

Starting point is 00:08:01 it's a sacrifice it's not easy to come here and build a family so the idea is that you are the generation that's gonna carry the family name forward you know the the weight of the I don't want to say the world but the weight of the legacy is on you so you have to be better and the children you have have to be better and so forth and so on I think every family has that vision but I think it's even stronger when it comes to non-American families you know there's a lot of things that I feel American families have that other people from different countries don't have so when you when you're here it's like you better make something of yourself we don't have time to play okay you know we're not wasting time we're not wasting money we're not wasting energy this is a purpose

Starting point is 00:08:43 and you have to fulfill it so even the idea of being in the industry which i had no idea of the magnitude of what this could be not even a little bit um it was a no it was a no um so i wanted to be matlock i tell people that all the time i was like i'm gonna be the first black female matlock um that's gonna be me um I love a good argument oh I love a good argument I will argue you down to the ground and when you're down there stomp on you with another argument because I'm right I'm right oh my god so I he was the first person I saw that was always able to solve a case no matter what and I was just fascinated by it and to watch him play around the courtroom and just kind of have those aha moments with people like i gotcha i gotcha so fascinated and um so i started

Starting point is 00:09:34 my journey and i went to school and i was being a lawyer and all that whole thing and i remember talking to my professor and she said why do you want to be a lawyer so bad i said again love to argue it down i want to plead a case i know i'm right she said well you know danielle a lot of cases don't happen in the courtroom i said what you mean what you what you're talking about and she says it just doesn't like that's an extreme version of it but a lot of cases are litigated it's a lot of library work it's a lot of black and white you know a lot of negotiations before you get to that point i was surprised and heartbroken and just like what the f now you know but still this hadn't come to me again till years and years and years later okay now

Starting point is 00:10:19 you're leaving me on the hook here i'm leaving you on the hook well well i'll wait for the next question and then I'm going to circle it back to this. All right. I'll do that. Okay. So here are a couple of questions like for the audience here. What are three common mistakes people make on camera makeup, like with their makeup and how can they fix it to look more polished and confident on video? Because I think a lot of my audience are entrepreneurs and speakers, right? So they're in front of the camera yeah and they don't always have a makeup artist on hand right um I think thinking that a look is a one-size-fits-all right I think when we look at someone we say oh my god I like his or her look what you're really picking up on is their energy you know you style

Starting point is 00:11:09 people two people can be wearing the same exact outfit and one wears it much better not necessarily because of body type it's something that they bring out of it yes there's colors and and patterns and even the way something is tailored that completely enhances the look and helps it but at the same time some people just got it some people don't so I say someone will look at someone and say hey I want to look like x y and z and they go in front of the camera and they'll replicate a look that they saw in someone else that is completely not for them you have to be open to finding your look and and going into what's true to you so even though you may see something looks great on someone else it just may not look great on you um like right now we are thankfully

Starting point is 00:11:55 coming out of this horrible overly lash trend where it's like clawing out of your eyeballs horrible nobody's interested in that but um people will see that and think oh my god that's trendy i want to do it so i feel like following trends all the time it's not good you want to stay in a classic beauty space where your look travels throughout time with you it evolves with you um someone shouldn't be able to see you and stamp you in the 90s early 2000s 50s whatever it is so i feel you know staying true to your look finding your defined look not staying or sticking on a trend and i think having fun with it you know trying new things um and then i guess to trying new things is finding an artist that can help cater to your look and your feeling what

Starting point is 00:12:46 you're going for you know um so that when you're seeing yourself on camera it it resonates because sometimes what we envision ourselves as is not what we're portraying you know so i feel like if there's something coming along where you know you're going to be photographed or recorded take the time to maybe take your iphone out and just see what you look like you know record yourself Get familiar with it so that when you're there, it's not like, well, I don't like X, Y, and Z. I didn't expect it to come out this way. You know, take those steps. I think it makes a world of a difference.

Starting point is 00:13:19 Yeah. Thank you for that. Well, for me, I don't know how to put on makeup that translates to camera. So I'm getting better just because I keep having experiences from you and a few others around the world that I've been doing. i've been with my recordings but there is an art to having your makeup translate to camera because it is different one the lights yes diminish color correct so you've got to do it heavier which has always been a challenge for me yes that's true and then there's also that perception of when i'm looking in the mirror maybe it's the contour maybe it's the the shadows that you see versus

Starting point is 00:14:02 not the shadows that I see you know yeah yeah I would definitely say in that case like you know to go into lighting how someone would light you versus how they would light me is very different yeah you know so having someone that speaks that color theory language when it comes to lighting you is paramount if you can get that um I think since um we've gotten to a place where technology has advanced quite a bit uh sometimes less is more because when you do too much foundation or powder it can become very heavy and cakey and i feel settle into fine lines and becomes more visible so what you're trying to actually mask becomes enhanced you know um so i feel in in those ways um and again taking a look at yourself in in your just your iphone your

Starting point is 00:14:48 android whatever you have yeah you know in natural light which is the best sunlight um in your bathroom just different lighting and kind of seeing what that looks like and getting adjusted to what works for you knowing your colors you know the first step is just knowing your foundation color you know not piling it on and even before we get to that i always say the best canvas is your canvas so take care of it before you even think about getting into makeup one of the big mistakes i um often i wouldn't say mistakes but one of the encounters i often have is someone saying oh my god i have this texture and that going on i'm like girl i can't do nothing for you you gotta pray to the lord for that um you always want to make sure that you're maintaining your

Starting point is 00:15:34 canvas it goes a long way so that when i am putting something on it's just like butter yeah you know but maintaining your canvas finding the perfect foundation we are quite a few colors throughout the year you know we're lighter in the winter time we're a little bit warmer in the summertime so i like to always mix i'm a mixologist i do like a mixed drink too but i I definitely like to mix because I feel like there is such a rare occasion where you're able to find one shade that matches you completely. You know, we're a little bit lighter in the center of our face and a little bit warmer around the perimeter. You know, so mixing to find your perfect shade works. And then again, even though we're lighter in the winter and a little bit warmer in the summertime, even in the spring, we're not completely, you know, darker yet.

Starting point is 00:16:21 And even in the fall, we're not completely lighter yet. So, again, I feel like mixing shades to kind of have that maybe even four season color for yourself works. And then also I feel like there's people who like to see themselves a little bit lighter or warmer on camera, you know, knowing if you feel maybe washed out, then bronze yourself up. You know, if you feel like maybe you're reading a little bit too, too dark or bringing out accentuating too many of the darker features, warmer features in your face, lighten it up. you know but that's again knowing your canvas again working with an expert yes to figure some things out but i feel like even with that if you're really trying to garner your image investing in that time and that patience and the products will help you a long way agreed and i think a great foundation is key yes taking care of your skin eating healthy drinking enough water don't drink

Starting point is 00:17:14 before you have a photo shoot i made this mistake i was styling yeah a couple celebrities and it was a big deal yeah goes to last except thank you except for the fact i had a couple drinks the night before because i was celebrating i was so excited and then i was like oh damn my face was swollen oh no so just make sure to like be response drink responsibly you can drink just wait till after well you know the funny thing too is that a lot of celebrities drink before they get on a red carpet they have to get very nervous too they get very nervous so there is there's drinking there's a little puff there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes just so that they can feel in their skin because I feel like once they hit that red carpet when the doors open

Starting point is 00:17:59 from their car service and they're out there it's like another being so something to kind of help them feel grounded so they're not like in this frenzy of the moment is always helpful so don't overdo it don't overdo it but a little something to take the edge off for whoever is into that kind of thing seems to have gone a long way for many i love it great advice yeah so tell me what's it really like to get someone ready for the tony awards or vogue magazine so red carpet award shows are very different um you have multiple people in whatever situation so whether it's someone's home or a hotel room or a hall you know there's this canvas almost sitting there and i always wonder i always ask like how do you feel because someone's pulling at you here

Starting point is 00:18:54 someone's pushing at your face someone's tugging at your waistline and someone's talking to you about the lay of the land for the day and someone's it's just like just a lot going on It is not glamorous. Not even a little bit. People are naked or half naked. They're eating. Sometimes I'm on my knees doing makeup or pulling here this way. It is not what you think it is, which I love because it's smoke and mirrors so that when the person is finally ready, you would never be the wiser as to what's happening behind the scenes. but it is very high energy very high stress um but it's worth it and it's also like a lot of prep leading up to it we don't just kind of walk in and say we're going to do this look um if the celebrity knows the event that they're going to which they usually do unless something happens last minute and they get invited there's weeks of prep like color coordinating what they want to do the the color that they want to show up in um the the type of styling that they want

Starting point is 00:19:53 to do what image they want to show up and then coordinating that with the actual event whether it's an award show or if they're actually even presenting like there's so many layers to it before you even get to that point but it's pure chaos pure madness but oh so freaking good oh so I wouldn't have it any other way like this the I don't know the intensity of it all is just magnanimous I think there's a few though few makeup artists and hairdressers even stylists that can deal with that type of energy that's actually very correct it is very very high strong you almost have to like to say see and not see here and not here feel and not feel you're almost going in conscious but very numb you know very numb and also uh leaving your ego

Starting point is 00:20:43 at the door because there's moments where you may have discussed the style you know three or four weeks before and several times in between that leading up to the date and you get there and you do it and the person's like I don't like it and you're like but you said you know you're like okay exactly we'll make the changes okay what don't you what don't you like about it this time what's happening um and again that's where you check the ego at the door it's not about you it's about this person and their image and you better you better get it right or you won't get called again you know um so and that's a that's a heavy weight to carry but um it's it's it's it's intense and it's not for the faint of heart i've seen many artists because we're artists

Starting point is 00:21:29 and they say we're sensitive about our ish um as erica badu would say you know but can't do it it's about them and how they feel so if you have to rewind and come again 10 times do it do it and it only makes you stronger i feel it um enhances um and and and masterfully creates and enhances your artistry you know i would imagine it it also you develop people's skills at a level that you probably would never have just working with you know a typical person going to maybe you know like a bride or yeah because they're like okay you're gonna do magic and i trust you and you're like yes i called god on the hotline today and he said i got your sister girl it's a lot and i feel like some people are naturally born to cater to people you know to to serve um and others aren't

Starting point is 00:22:26 and in some regards it can be taught and in some regards it isn't because i feel if it's if you're not consistently in the business or the natural nature of serving this is not going to be for you yeah this is not going to be for you because it's really all about making sure the person feels seen and that they're in their own skin you know so it's again you're here and you're not here I tell my clients like I'm here and I'm not here like even like with you like can I get you anything I'm like girl I'm here and I'm not here and you're like no but you are here I'm like yeah but it's like I'm supposed to almost appear and disappear well you and I are the same yes we really are we are pleasers we do cater to very much high-end clients and so it just naturally comes to me so

Starting point is 00:23:16 you're in my space I'm gonna do the same you're my guest we can't help it you're still my guest you can't help it yeah it is what it is that's just who we are like you said you know and I feel like that's what separates you know the the prey from the um i guess the alternative word which i can't even think of right now um but yes there we go thanks girl you're welcome that's exactly what it is because just everybody can't handle it it is very intense you know it is very intense so i feel like if you are naturally equipped with this very small but major thing it just makes this experience in our world much easier yeah hands down and then you get to see the finished product and that as an artist stylist makeup just artists in general a creative person same with me it's

Starting point is 00:24:07 like the end product you're like oh like heaven gorgeous i love it so much because you're like wow you ever get that feeling you feel like you surprised yourself with what you did yes you know just all the time oh my god how did i doubt myself so much i know you more than did that more than did that to the point where people just like oh you know so-and-so's look i really love that you know and then you'll get highlighted here and there it's like wow when other people start especially i feel like when your peers acknowledge like wow you're really doing it it feels different it does it feels different um because i feel like there's many times as i'm because i feel like as long as i'm alive and provided the opportunities i want to take

Starting point is 00:24:56 advantage of it to continue to grow um so when i'm in a space where my peers are like wow you did that i'm like i did i really did and it's not like wow i did that it's like i did because sometimes i surprised myself and i feel like that's the gift of maybe a little naivete that i still have about like there's always more there's always more that can be done there's always shifts that can happen there's so much um more that you can grow and create you know and i love that evolution of what it can be which is beauty yeah you know always evolving and i love what you say that confidence really comes with how beautiful you feel yeah hands down and i know that's a lot of in her beauty yes a lot of your mission and your values as a business correct so let that

Starting point is 00:25:46 really leads me into the next question is your company in her beauty serves all genders yeah all ages and cultures how do you redefine beauty standards in such a diverse and often exclusive industry that's a really good question Celeste um I feel like I'm almost like a fly on the wall sometimes peering in at at behind the curtains of what's going on with people again I think to go back to my point before about being in your own skin and knowing what beauty is for you like what that means to you and not trying to make it a one-size-fits-all I think is the first step um when I'm with people I'm naturally a people person if you guys haven't realized Celeste knows we're the same kind of energy so I feel like this is just a gift on top of a gift um I feel very

Starting point is 00:26:44 blessed to live in my two passions which I always say is making people feel good you know and making them look good I cannot believe I've been able to find that synergy and make it a career um it is a blessing. It is a blessing. I get my energy from the sun. The sun are people to me. You know, I'm not the kind of person that I want to sit in the room by myself. People make me extraordinarily happy. They bring me true, true joy. And I always hope and pray that when I'm around them, they feel that a little bit of my light catches on to them. I want them to always feel much better when I'm around them and when I've left them than as if I'd never come in at all so I feel like that's a space that I'm able to tap into and it has created a plethora of opportunities and I think just

Starting point is 00:27:38 simply being me and my mom and my dad raised me with that but I didn't know how important it was until I was fully in my skin which came I feel like in my 20s where it's like simply being you is more than enough and it has carved out so many opportunities and has created space for the type of client that is more like me I don't have a lot of drama crazy filled clients who are ridiculous or mean-spirited or um no because and I'm also not interested you know just not and then if I walk in the room and they have that energy I'm just like hey and they're like almost a little tweaked out like why are you so nice I'm like because I am why are you so mean you know but I feel like I always want my energy to to latch on to them and I'll take a little bit of your heavy

Starting point is 00:28:32 stuff I'll walk out with that and I'll be able to leave it out you know outside but it's important to me that you feel like the best version of yourself when I'm around so that you now are armored for whatever's coming your way so I feel like that's been my thing in this space it's your superpower it is my superpower i just like wow yeah you know i felt that the first time i met you because i was same same i was just so excited to go to you know a fashion week that was so major it was my second one but i also had three clients with me i remember yeah it was such a big deal and i was so excited and uh you just came in and you were just like you helped me just like kind of relax i mean of course you made me feel beautiful but your energy is just it's contagious

Starting point is 00:29:24 it's also calming it um you truly have a gift and i appreciate that what you know i just saw i was like this this person is super this person is your person yeah because i mean it's just makeup right and there are 50 million of me so to an extent I am replaceable right um that's why I think it's more important for me to stay true to who I am I may not be the best artist in the world you know but I'm not the worst um I feel like as long as I'm continuing to be true to who I am making sure that everybody that comes into contact with me feels that light it empowers me to become better and stronger and greater at what i do which means every time i get to see that canvas which also provides me the opportunity to see the canvas again yeah i'm mastering it every time

Starting point is 00:30:20 i'm getting better and better so as long as people give me the opportunity to see them again and paint on their canvas the better it become yeah stick with me i'm gonna stick with you i love that okay here's a question yeah what's one beauty myth you wish would disappear and what's a truth people should know um a beauty myth I wish would disappear hmm I gotta think about that what's the myth going on these days um I think we're in a space now people aren't really into contouring you know um or what would I say oh I would say a myth let me start this over a myth i feel is just crazy which i touched a little bit earlier is that makeup can hide every and anything it cannot it cannot it can sculpt a little something but it's not the end

Starting point is 00:31:18 all be all you know so like i said i have canvases that come into my space and like oh you know can you chisel this away can you move no no i'm here for a moment not not forever i'm not god this right i'm not i'm close to him you know but no this right that but this started like years or months before i met you you gotta you gotta do the work you know so like making sure your canvas is as pure as it can possibly be that's drinking your water exercising taking your vitamins and just taking a moment to literally exhale sometimes you know um because the canvas is what makes everything great not not the makeup makeup is cool it's fantastic but making sure your canvas is great is a thing um so that's one thing I wish kind of would go away that makeup just cures

Starting point is 00:32:10 everything um and then the second question I forgot the second part of the question well you you already answered it it's like really what's the truth people should know and you basically covered that all um I would like to put in a beauty myth but this comes from me as a color expert so a lot of people assume that everyone should wear bronzer wear versus a contour so contour is cool bronzer is really warm so if you wear a bronzer and you're a cool undertone you should be wearing very minimal i say contour over bronzer because for me bronzer 100 because i'm a warm undertone yeah but someone and you see this often they put a ton of bronzer they are cool and they look sick ridiculous they look sick ashy mashy yeah there's there's so many things that

Starting point is 00:33:04 happen it's like if they're wearing warm and they're cool that makes them look more orange so they look almost like this jaundice yeah correct right and so and there's one other beauty myth there is no there is warm cool and neutral color foundations yes but there is no neutral undertone and so when you're looking for foundation so i i wear a neutral foundation because even though I pull warm, I also have cool elements. Correct, you do. That's why I'm always, you see what I'm saying? I love a mix.

Starting point is 00:33:34 Yeah. Because I feel like, I mean, there's companies that have various options for cool, neutral, warm, but I still feel like it's just not, boop. You're right. It always needs a little something to completely match up. So you always see me on the back of my hand, like, rolling something around because I want it to be perfect for you. Right.

Starting point is 00:33:55 And that bottle that they may have, that they say may fit, that they may be tested, I don't know, 50 women or men on or whatever. It's still not you. So it has to be a signature color. And that means mixing. Wouldn't that be great if we could go, this is a great business idea. I know. I've been thinking about it. Someone told me it was a poor idea.

Starting point is 00:34:15 We'll see. It's a fabulous idea. I would go in with you and do this where everybody could go at quality foundation. yes you could go mix and match like maybe every season or at least twice a year twice a year and like make your own yeah uh-huh but honestly like people told me no like a sidebar out of this like people said that's crazy no one's going to do that i'm like what are you talking about i feel like if you can create your custom shade you'd be interested no it's too much work i'm telling you i thought about this so many times alice we'll talk about it okay but i think

Starting point is 00:34:50 the really the the last question I'd love to touch upon is just for people watching today um if they're dreaming of becoming you know a makeup artist an artist maybe someone in their family said no it's not okay you need to be a doctor or lawyer like what are some of the tips and advice that you would get like no fluff advice like that you would tell them here because Maybe they're like, I've always wanted to do that. I've always wanted to be an artist without feeling shamed. Well, I'm going to say for me, it started with my mother when I told her that I was going to do this. And I mean, she was not happy to say that.

Starting point is 00:35:40 Nobody was happy because I left a really great. Nobody was happy. Everybody was like, are you OK? Are you on drugs? um it was nobody got it but the message was very clear for me um but my mother said to me at the time listen I'm not saying that you're not going to succeed with this that you won't do well but do it while your dad and I are around do it while we're here that way should anything happen not that we want it to you won't fall we'll be here you know beautiful it is extremely beautiful

Starting point is 00:36:17 it gave me license to really go forth and do it um and even if she didn't say that which was such gold for me at the time the message was for me it wasn't for anybody else you know it was so resonating a sound tuned for only my ears tuned for my spirit it was so freaking crystal clear I couldn't let it go so I think listening to your voice and then also I think what we do because it's so pretty people think it's easy work it's not so to that I say to thine own self be true if you know you don't necessarily have the tenacity you're not really a go-getter you're not gonna you're not willing to give up the drinking or the partying or the long nights or you're not willing to study something sit down sit down you have to really know yourself because

Starting point is 00:37:15 it's going to take a lot of commitment this kind of job that we're doing is isolation you're away from the people that you love the things that you love because you're on a bigger mission a bigger path and you have to understand that mind body and soul because it's going to take your mind body and soul to get you through it so you really have to be in that space where you hear that perfectly tuned message for you and you feel it and you walk by faith and not by sight that's so beautiful yeah thank you for being on the show today it's been such a pleasure getting to know you more and where you've come from and where you're at and your soul is gorgeous and takes one to know one i love you i love you thank you thanks for having me you're welcome

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