Moore Style - Online Dating After Divorce with Jill Ferguson

Episode Date: April 11, 2022

Jill Ferguson joins me today to discuss online dating challenges in Las Vegas. She was married for 23 years, and has been divorced for 12 years now. Jill has three adult children and one grandson. Her identical twin daughters are part of Bachelor nation - you may remember them from season 20 of The Bachelor and a few seasons of Bachelor in Paradise, in addition to their own show. Consider Jill your dating-savvy friend who is also trying to navigate online dating in the modern world of dating in Las Vegas.   This episode, we talk about: [2:23] How Jill and I met (through my mother!) [4:08] Dating with intention [6:46] Lazy online dating versus putting in the effort [10:12] Making a good impression while dating [21:05] Jill’s top three dating challenges [21:57] Dating in Las Vegas: Lifestyle challenges [27:26] Men’s false security when dating [30:00] Dishonesty in online dating profiles [32:41] The impact of Jill’s daughters’ fame on her dating life [36:05] Including family members in an online dating profile [38:33] What Jill hopes Celeste Moore Image can do for men [40:33] Where Jill would be if she could choose anywhere in the world Thanks for tuning in to today’s episode! Come and hang out with me on Instagram @celestemooreimage and let me know your thoughts on today’s episode, because I always love hearing from you all!

Hi, everyone. I'm your host, Celeste Moore, and you are listening to the Down and Dirty Podcast, aka the Double D's of dating. This is a podcast for navigating the ins and outs of modern midlife dating. Here, we will discuss the challenges that men and women face in today's dating world. Like many industries, this one is forever changing, and I believe this platform will help those who need or want it. Today, it is the best time to take control of your desired outcome, whether it is a marriage, significant other, life partner, or just to gain the confidence in dating once again. Every other week, we will dive in and talk about different viewpoints that seem to be challenges in today's dating arena.

So let's get into today's episode. Well, I wanted to welcome all my listeners. We have an amazing woman as our guest today, and I just wanted to say again, thank you, Jill, for being available for me today to talk to me about all of your fun dating challenges. in Las Vegas. Just to give a little information and background about Jill. She was married for 23 years, divorced and single for 12 years now. She has three amazing grown children and one adorable grandson. She is a proud mom to 32 year old son and 29 year old identical twins that are part of Bachelor Nation. Wow. The twins from season 20 of The Bachelor. They also appeared

on a few seasons of Bachelor in Paradise, as well as having their own show. The twins are happily ever after. So consider her your dating savvy, yet still trying to navigate the dating world online in the crazy modern world of dating in Vegas girl I hear you that is pretty crazy it is an adventure but how I met I mean I think maybe you can go into a little bit of how we know each other uh through my mother of course um and you guys were met what like 15 years ago we met 15 years ago, sitting side by side, having pedicures. And we were just, we started a conversation about both being single and dating and having found out that we had both dated the same guy. Oh my God. I think I didn't remember that. Oh my God. Yes. I only went out on a few

dates with him, but your mom had been in a relationship with him for quite some time and they had been broken up for many years by the time I met him. But that's just the small and crazy world of dating, I suppose. Oh my God. Yes. I don't know how I missed that one or I just mentally forgot that one. Yeah. It occurred to me today when I was preparing for our conversation, I'm like, wow, our story really does go back a ways. So that's how I met your mom and we just hit it off and we were fast friends. And then I got to know a little bit about, of course, her and her family and you as her oldest daughter. And yeah, that's how it all evolved. That's amazing. I guess time just like flies by too. You say 15 years. I'm like, Oh my God.

I don't know if, I mean, Madeline's 15 and I can't remember if I was pregnant or she was in the world or it was just like, you know, a couple months difference, but it's just a baby. Oh my God. Yes. And just to know your daughters were teenagers. Oh my God. Like baby babies themselves. yes when I divorced my twins were 16 and my son was 18 oh wow yeah so yeah it's been a minute well um I'd love for your take um obviously you live in Las Vegas again you've been single for the last 12 years now and you've been actively dating during this time um just so my listeners can get a visual. I mean, you are an extremely beautiful and intelligent woman. You just blonde hair, blue eyes, like you take care of yourself. You put yourself together. You really have this

presence about you. I would just like to know, like, and you also, you want to get married. I mean, that's a really, I think a key factor in the dating community, especially like, you know, just in general, but why do you think that is where you have all of this and these amazing qualities you have so much to offer? What, I mean, I know this is maybe just like such a open-ended question, but why do you think that is? Like, have you thought about that? I think that's a great question. And I think that it's the greatest mystery of all times. And first of all, thank you very much for all of the nice compliments. And I, I really do take this process seriously. And I only date with intention. I'm not out looking for a good time

or a one night stand or a one and done sort of dating relationship. I really am seeking that special someone. You know, I think a few things happen. I think that we are in very different times with the online dating forum, given that back in, back in when my mom and dad met and your mom and dad, you met in the wild, you met authentically. I think people took dating more seriously. They thought, Oh, I'm out. I've met a beautiful woman. I wanted to get her phone number. I want to date her now with all of the online presence and social media, men and women are both talking to probably five to 10 men or women at a time. And so there's really not the focus or the care or the effort really put into establishing one meaningful connection.

When you can be spoiled for choice, you have hundreds and thousands of options with online dating and all of the online, the different forums. So I think that people, it seems to me, my experience is people just don't take dating very seriously. And that's where I really think a big problem comes in. You make some extremely valid points. I do think a hundred percent. It's different. This modern dating world that we live in now is so online focused. I mean, for so many reasons and COVID just like put the pin in that one for sure. That's staying around. Yes. But the end of the day, you're right. I believe that there's so many, you know, I just don't want to put all the blame on men, but it's a large portion of the, the lack of care. Like you said, the lack

of, you know, almost like they don't want to try as much because they don't, you know, I don't know where that comes from that, that almost laziness, if you will. Right. But that, yeah, I can totally get how that can be frustrating when you are so focused on finding that person, that partner. I mean, maybe it's not, it won't be in marriage, but maybe it'll be this partnership where you both have the same interests or maybe not all the same interests, same values, or you have something in common where you can grow together and be happy. And correct. Yeah. So I feel like in the great words of Esther Perel, who's an amazing relationship coach and therapist and has a huge following, you know, she starts a lot of her online messages by saying that if people

would put as much effort into their relationships as they do their jobs, we would probably have a much different outcome. And what people don't understand is how disjointed that focus is, because yes, a job is a job, but love is really the most important thing in life. 100%. And I think that people, time is a thief and people think, oh, I have time. I can date around and play around for five, six, 10 years. Let's say you're 40 when you get divorced for a let's say and now they you know now they're 50 they still haven't found someone now then they're 55 they still haven't found someone and you know they're wondering why well maybe because they haven't put in the effort they've just been kind of playing and you know time goes on we don't know

how much time we have left here on this planet and as we get older we all know our bodies start acting differently too and what's so funny i think that um you know these men all of a sudden they get in there to their 50s. And they think that they have all these options until all of their parts stop working. And then all of a sudden, yeah, their options aren't, you know, women are going to be like, Oh, thanks, buddy. You know, we can move on past that, too. We'll find somebody that where we can have a full life. So I do think that people just get very, very selfish. And do think that they have all the time in the world. And, and we just really the years fly by just like you and I were talking 15 years that I've known your mom, where has the time gone?

That's such a good point too. It's such a, I mean, that's really just even for me hearing that if somebody put in a quarter, a percentage of what they put into their, their careers into relationship, what would that look like? Exactly. That's pretty amazing. Wow. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. That's something that I'm going to research a little bit more. um i know that you have dated a few guys recently yes if you would love to share um i would love to hear one of your recent experiences that could help all help us understand some dating challenges in this modern world i would be happy to so one of my most recent experiences. And of course we won't say any names. I have tried to, I've really tried to keep myself

open to dating here in Vegas or dating somewhere reasonably close by. So I'm in Nevada. So California, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, you know, something that's like maybe a two hour plane flight or less so that it seems reasonable. You're on the same time zone. You know, you have to be practical about certain things. So met a very nice gentleman online. He flew out of here. We had a very nice connection seemingly. He flew out here to Vegas to meet me. We went out on two really great dates to incredible venues here in Las Vegas. You know, some of the nicest places that you could choose to go out on dates. He really researched it and set it all up, made the reservations. It was perfect. Um, you know, some of the challenges are, and you try

not to be, I try not to be too overly critical of these things, but they do matter. But one of the big blaring things was how he was showing up dressed for the dates, just really not looking like he's really dressed to impress. And I really dressed to impress. I go all out. And I'm really not sure that men understand from the hair to nails, to lashes, to tanning, to a nice wardrobe being put together, having nice accessories, just really bringing it to where there's a wow factor and you're really memorable in that person's mind, because I do think you need to, you need to stand out in some way to where you've really made a lasting impression on your date. So I've always kind of been a very put together person anyway, but I will tell you that

when I go on a date, I really go the extra mile. And so that was kind of the first thing, but I thought, okay, I'm going to let the appearance slide a little bit on the clothing, just because sometimes men are not the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to knowing how to dress, but that's where you're going to help them. So that's where you come in. So we had two great, great dates here. He then invited me out to see him in his hometown. So of course I get up early in the morning. I'm completely dressing up as if I'm going on a date. Now that's not always the easiest and greatest when you're going to be traipsing through an airport and you know, you're in heels or whatever. Right. But I said to myself, well, listen, when I step off the plane

looking amazing. And again, that's not always the easiest thing because you know, you're traipsing through airports and you're maybe not in the most comfortable shoes, but you want to make an impression. So my date picks me up and he's dressed like we're going to Costco. Oh my God. And so I was like, I just took the wind right out of my sails. And I thought, okay, well, this is super disappointing. I'm telling you, it was so bad. I was borderline embarrassed to be walking through the airport with him. So I thought, okay, Jill, just suck it up. Everything will be fine. Just go with it. Go with it. You're here. We're going to have a great time. so we get my bags we go out to his car he's driving a very nice more expensive brand car

and I get in the car and it's filthy inside oh my god so now now the wind is really being sucked now I'm like double disappointed because I think now how can you not have your car looking nice your date's going to be getting in the carpets were dirty there were cans in the cup holders I mean, it was just really yucky. So I kind of thought to myself, well, this is probably going to be a pretty good indicator of what the house is going to look like. So we get to his home and it too is as equally daunting. Maybe that's the correct word.

Just not updated, not well put together. Basically, he was an antique collector. but worse than that it almost kind of bordered on hoarding i mean he's still his children are fully grown and out of the house and he has his kids books still sitting in the bookshelves in the living room and his elliptical next to the couch in the living room and his school desk from when he was a young boy in the living room wow the washboard that his great grandma did their laundry on, on the pot shelf in his living room. And the master bedroom had crushed red velvet drapes. It looked more like a whorehouse for lack of a better word. It was just, I was just

beyond myself, but I just smiled, got through it. He really was a nice person, but I can tell you all of those events, one, two, three together, it's just a complete chemistry killer. Oh my gosh. Wow. So I really wish that men understood how important we get. I really believe we get one shot at a first impression and how important that first impression is. And that, you know, you are showing us when you allow a woman or a man into your home, you are showing that person a lot about yourself it's very telling how you live tells a lot about you and you know you have to have that chemistry and connection and that there's just how is that going to establish that you know those are the first steps you can't get any further if you

don't have those two things. Wow. Wow. What an experience. I mean, you obviously were looking past like the first date went really well enough that, okay, a second date was happening. And you know what? It's kind of good that you went to his house right away or saw his car right away, because just imagine you were dating for a month or two, and then you really saw what he was like his true colors. I mean, nobody has time to waste anymore. Like you said, time is of the essence. I mean, right. But where is a wonder where this disconnect is happening? Is it something you said that I think speaking to me earlier, he was 26 years married or yes. Okay. Okay. So you know, there's this disconnect that I believe happens after we stop, you know,

courting and we stopped dating. And clearly he either never knew how he forgot. Um, but it, and maybe that was never his intentions, but this is how it came across you. Correct. And the bottom line is even if you haven't dated in a long time and, or your wife or ex-wife decorated the home that you still remain in, you cannot stay stuck in the past. We need to modernize ourselves to get ourselves ready for the modern dating world. So that means updating our profile, updating the look of our house, making sure that even if your car is not a luxury brand vehicle, at least make sure that it's clean when you're going to have a woman get in your car. I think that that really matters to a lot of women. I hope I'm not sounding really

snobbish or snooty, but I have a lot of single friends and they run into all the same exact scenarios. It's like men kind of get stuck in the twilight zone. And I think that women try to be a little more progressive. And, you know, we want to be fresh and current and, you know, make that good impression. I'm sure there's plenty of women maybe that don't, but I think for the purposes of your and mine conversation and the business that you're, the services that you're providing, that these are the things that we're looking for. The certain, I don't know what you call it a certain, is it a clientele or I just feel like these are important no matter. Exactly. Exactly. You called it right on the head because yes, you are so right that people

need to modernize. I mean, it's, it's, it's also like that is in the past that didn't work out. So let's move forward. So how can, how can they do that so that they are in the dating world, new and fresh and current and exciting and current. Exactly. And yes. Otherwise that is going to, it's going to read in their body language and their car. Like everything is going to say, I'm still in this relationship, even if I'm not. So that's another huge problem. That's a very good point. Like they're still stuck in what they thought was normal for 25 years. Exactly. And that clearly didn't work out. So how can, how can, I mean, me looking in, well, if I'm going into new relationship, how can I look at myself and say, how was I a part of that problem? What can I do to make myself ready for the dating world? you know, that's just, you know, such a frustration for us. And hopefully this will

help out my listeners and people will be able to reach out and, oh my God, I have this person to refer, this person to refer so that we have this dating pool. That's fantastic and ready and ready to go. Yes, exactly. So just kind of while we're in this, I mean, we don't have to keep going into all of the issues, but could you, issues, challenges, if you had your top three challenges for you in Las Vegas, and I always keep saying Las Vegas, but that's a, it's kind of something that I'm going to lead into next. What would you say your top three challenges have been for, in your experience? Okay. Top three challenges, effective communication. Okay. Chemistry connection. And I'm going to add one more for lifestyle. Interesting.

Yes. Okay. So my next question kind of leads into this. So let me, and that way you can elaborate on lifestyle maybe a little bit. Okay. Do you think dating in Las Vegas has any particular challenges due to it being the entertainment capital of the world? That's a really interesting question. I get asked that a lot, but very honestly, given that I have single friends that live all over the United States, it seems like the challenges are the same no matter where you live. That's been my experience anyway. It doesn't seem that this is just something that's specific to the Las Vegas market. Okay. It seems that from what I've heard from all of my friends, that dating is challenging no matter where you are. It's a universal issue. Yes. I really do

believe so. When can you just elaborate a little bit on the, when you say lifestyle, is that, cause that's a very, is it, I guess that what it brought to me is I'm thinking of, oh, because there's so much, you know, things at the fingertips, gambling and, you know, all the things that you can easily access in Las Vegas. But when you say lifestyle, what is that in reference to exactly? A lot of it can be drinking. Yeah. Habits, right. Drinking, gambling. I've met plenty of men here with big gambling problems. Like literally the first part of our date, let's say we're going to go into a casino. I mean, this happened with me on another date. The guy says, Oh, before we go into dinner, I just need to stop and cash in one of my tickets

real quick at the sports book. Wow. Okay. And I'm thinking, yeah, that's probably how you're going to pay for dinner tonight. But, um, yeah, it's, it's, well, it's such a bad look that, you know, Oh, really the focus of us, of him, maybe even choosing where we went had to do with, he had a ticket he needed to cash in. Oh no. And so I've had that happen, the drinking. Another thing that is not for me, and it's become a huge thing now, and it's legal in so many places, recreational marijuana use. And so people are really into smoking pot and taking edibles and that none of that fits into my lifestyle. I'm a light social drinker. I think that it's great to have fun. I think it's great to have a few drinks, even have a little buzz, whatever that

good place is. But when it goes past that, and at this age and stage of life, that's a problem for me. And again, I don't know that that's just unique to Las Vegas. I think that could be a problem anywhere. I mean, drinking is legal everywhere. So I think that that can be an issue. also. Lifestyle can mean to me, I would like to meet somebody who could make my life a little bit better, right? I want to, I'm happy to come to the table and also contribute. But I'm living in a house, I would very much like to meet someone who's also living in their own home, right not no roommate situations not a big fan of apartment situations not a big fan of staying with a friend while they figure out what they want to do or they just moved here and are just

getting settled um well i don't think that's a lot to ask i mean you know sometimes i feel bad for for feeling that way but that is truly what is that matters to me i would like to know that someone is stable and they're rooted. They have roots in the ground. They're strong. They've made something of their life. They have a stable career. They're not jumping from one, this career to that career, because that just feels, that doesn't feel overly safe to me. Yes. These are all things that coming from where you're at, you are established. You are, like you said, you have a home, you have had a family, you, you know, what you do and you don't want, you don't want the addictions of the things that are going around in this world, whether it's, you know,

being an alcoholic or drug addict or all of those things. I mean, you want something stable and a guy that's successful and has his shit together. And you should not feel bad one bit for wanting that. That is, it is completely, completely possible. And please don't ever doubt yourself for that, because this is where the men should be in their life, especially at this age range in our life. This is not, you know, we're not millennials. We're not even in our twenties. We are, we've been through things in our life. So we should expect that in the same. I mean, we're not, unless you're, you know, looking for a hookup that's 20, but that's not what you want. Right. So we've all at this point come with, like you said, a certain set of

challenges, right? We're mostly at this age, have all been divorced by now, some people more than once. And so now we're at a point where life should be getting easier. We shouldn't be trying to make it more difficult. We should be in a place where we are settled and ready to start chapter two. We've done chapter one. Now let's move to our second and final chapter. Amen. Yes. called it simply stated, I suppose. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I am, I am going to prepare all of these amazing, like, you know, these men that just haven't found this part of them because they already are a beautiful person. We just need to have them show it, teach them matters, teach them how to woo women. I mean, what we want, I, you know, I, I'm just an advocate of chivalry. And

And I know that in this, this world that we live in right now, there's this very clouded view from men of how we, how, what they should do and what's appropriate. And let me just tell you men that should never, ever, ever stop. We want our car doors open for us. We want, and you should always pay for dinner. Don't ask, don't Dutch it. Don't that is not appropriate for dating. you know you present yourself and give yourself like you said you put yourself and you put so much time and effort into looking and wowing and you know being beautiful and and just putting all of your time and energy and you expect the same yes and and i'm not sure honestly i don't think that men necessarily do this on purpose i if there's something that like somehow maybe they

just don't know better. I have always felt for some reason that men have a much higher, what's the word that I'm looking for? They look at themselves in a much higher way than maybe women do. You know, women were always like, oh, I need to lose 10 pounds. Oh, I could have one less wrinkle. Oh, I need Botox. Oh, I need a facelift. Oh, I need a tummy tuck. I think that men have this kind of false security that they're like much better looking than they really are, or that they are much better than most men out there. And so I think there's this false security that they have. That's really not there. They think that they look great when they're showing up in a pair of, Oh, I love this. Now we were the men, you know, they wear jeans and they're

still wearing affliction shirts that went out of style 15 years ago i've had that happen i see it in profile pictures all the time men with the t-shirt with affliction across the front oh my god no no that t-shirt was that that t-shirt's been in your closet for 15 years it's time to go yeah i am to go time to go oh wow i don't think that they stop and think about these things there is you said such a valid point there is such a disconnect where we undervalue ourself and they overvalue themselves and yes where that is just old society that's still entangled in how men should be versus how women should be and it just yes I still don't know where and how but it's time it's time to change that it's time to redirect because you're right the guys are I'm

so sexy. I'm so hot. And, you know, and they post pictures of them 10 years ago. Yes. 25 pounds lighter. Yes. They're, uh, two inches taller on their profile. Correct. It's like, no, I mean, I, I do ask now as part of like my standard language and you and I talked a little bit about this that I will ask is all of the information in your profile current and accurate because most men will lying about the age is a huge thing age and height they'll say they're 55 they're actually 63 or 65 they'll lie about their age by as much as 10 years and you know very honestly I think that's a horrible way to try to start a relationship and I have an age range set in my profile that I'm going to match with people because that's the age range that I want to date. Well, men put that

they're 55 because they want to be able to match with the women that are 40, even though they're really 60. So, you know, it's, it's all by biorhythm, right? It's all by, yeah. So, um, it's, that's a big problem too, is just the dishonesty. Correct. Yes. Yes. False reporting. Yes. I mean, you know, we're going to find out. I mean, so why even go there? Just be upfront, honest, and let us decide if that's something that we want to go and explore. And okay, this works for me because I'm going to find out what you got one date out of me. And you know, it's right. And they think that it's just like a girl who, you know, post the photo of her 50 pounds lighter. And then the guy shows up on the date and he's like, I didn't even recognize her, but somehow they think, Oh, once they meet me, they're just going to love my personality. Oh, wow. No, that's not, that's not fair. You know? No, no, it's not. So let's let's

redo everybody's profile. It's like, you know, we have a lot of work cut out for us. Yes, indeed. Um, I think, so I would love just to finish off. I know. I, I hope you're okay with me asking. Um, I don't want to incringe on anybody's, you know, personal life too much, but I just think that it's so fascinating that your twins became, you know, I don't want to, I mean, they can't, they did, they are, they kind of are famous. So I hope you're okay with me saying that. I think that's a fair word. Okay. Okay, good. And I always wondered because of how and when they became famous at the, so, you know, time of being on The Bachelor. I mean, this is like a huge show. Do you find, or have you found, or in any of your experience that

you've dated any guy that was kind of, Oh, well, I know her, you know, I want to date the mom because you know, your daughters are beautiful and they're on TV and you know, this whole notoriety thing. I mean, have you found that that's been an issue or have you had an experience? So I haven't really found that that's been an issue. And I honestly try to not talk too much about my children because I don't want that to be the focus. So you know how it goes with this online dating rarely. I mean, at least I don't until I've met someone and had a first date to see if I even want

to pursue things any further. I don't ask people for their last name and rarely will they ask for mine. but sometimes they do. And a lot of men will offer their first and last name immediately and say, please look me up, do your research. I'm a respectable guy, et cetera. And I always think that's very nice, but I don't in turn just offer my last name as well. So now if that has happened, I, you know, once somebody gets to know me and I'll, then I open up and share a little bit about my kids, you know, they will go on to, oh my gosh. So I I'm dating someone famous. I'm like, no, no, no. I I'm not famous. My, my children are, yes, they are part of me, but their life

is separate from mine. Okay. And so I, but I've not really ever had it be a problem or do I now, if somebody is doing that without me knowing it, I guess I wouldn't know, right. If there's some fascination there behind the whole thing. But I haven't really, I really don't feel like that that's been a big, a big issue. I do think that it's fascinating to most people when they do find out and they are usually very curious and we'll ask a lot of questions and we'll, you know, go on social media and look at their pictures and try to learn a little bit more about what all of that look looked alike. Okay. Well, that's good. I mean, and as you should, as a mother, regardless, um, your children come up later. I mean, that's just a survival mechanism. You know, that's

something we, we will protect them, you know, as much as we can, even when they're adults and out of the house. But, um, I'm so happy. I mean, that's just, that should be separate, like you said, and they should be getting to know you as who you are and for what you offer and where you're at in your life. Yes. That brings up a good question that I have for you in regards to profile. I have never included a picture of any of my children, grandchildren, anything in my dating profile photos. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think that people should be sharing pictures of their children or grandchildren. Absolutely not. I, I totally agree. And it kind of, and especially when men have younger children and they put a picture of their eight or nine

year old or even younger, or even teenager on there with them out doing an activity or something they like, it's cringy. It's very, very cringy. Oh, I be, I feel like it's terrible to be exposing, even putting your children's pictures out there. Yeah. It's a little bit of an exploitation that I feel it's very inappropriate. It should, if you have, look, if you're really into cats or dogs and you have fur babies, that's one thing. Yes. I agree. That describes a little bit about who you are. You're empathetic. You're compassionate. You love animals. Yes. You love animals. Please, please don't add any pictures of your children or your grandchildren. That should be. i agree and i don't know why people do that and also men no no selfie pictures in the mirror in

your bathroom and your bathroom counter is filthy and the mirror is filthy and all of your toiletries are laying out on the sink i mean no or at the gym and you're flexing your muscles and you're 55 years old we're it's really not cool yes you oh my goodness yes these men oh my god i can't wait to get my hands on them. It's like, yes, just, it's like, you know, and I think every woman feels the same way. Right. And this whole dating, you're like, I really, was that sexy? No, that's not sexy. Yeah. No, I'm really, it's a question about whether or not you should post pictures of your children that just occurred to me. And I really wondered your opinion on that because I've just always found that wildly inappropriate. A thousand percent. That's

really, really inappropriate. So that would be a very, you know, swipe to the other side. right. Um, X or swipe. Yeah. Exactly. Probably three X's there. Um, um, I always ask two questions, uh, to my guests. And, um, the first question is, and I, you've probably answered it in here, but what do you think that Celeste Moore image can do? The, I guess the most important thing that you would look for me and my company to do to help men? Oh my gosh. That is such a loaded question. I would say the first thing is really helping them understand the importance of knowing how to show up for a date, knowing what to wear, knowing appropriate topics to talk about, knowing how to have a reciprocal conversation where they're not just sitting there talking

about themselves for two hours and you can't get a word in edgewise. So appropriate communication and really styling for showing up and looking really fantastic. You know, you want to nail that first impression. Love it from, from haircut to grooming, to eyebrows, to hair coming out of their ears to their teeth. I mean, teeth are so important. Your smile, your smile introduces you your smile needs to be amazing get you know men great teeth there's invisalign now at this stage for life where you wear the invisible braces but a fantastic smile white teeth white not yellow not all stained no no no no crooked yes no british teeth thank you Correct. Yes. Sorry if I, that's a very big generalization. No, Mike Myers and Austin

Powers. There you go. There we go. That's perfect. Yes. Okay. That's wonderful. I will take all of those notes in and I just love to hear feedback of what you think that, that my business can do. Okay. And last, last question. If you could choose to be anywhere right now, it could be a time in your life. It could be just somewhere that you really love. It could be with anybody that you want to be with. Where would that be and why? Oh my gosh. Okay. Do you mean like just for in the moment or like forever? Nope. Just like right now, if you could be anywhere that you wanted to be. Okay. If I could be anywhere that I wanted to be, Vegas is home to me. I'm a native. My children,

my family are here, my mother. So I'm very rooted here in Las Vegas. So I always feel most at home here. But if I could be anywhere, it would be in a beautiful, growing, loving, stable relationship. I like it. Yes, I like it. Well, I am, I'm going to do my best to get somebody ready for you because I want you to have that. Thank you. I appreciate you. And I've loved, thank you so much for this opportunity to just share with you. And, um, as far as social media, I have a tiny little following I'm on there just for my kids essentially to follow friends and family, but I'm jfergie11. I love it. I was going to ask if you wanted to share where people could find you and please go, you know, don't be creepy people. Okay. Exactly. She's a, she's an amazing

woman. So give her respect, but I will follow her. So thank you. Thank you, Jill. You have a wonderful evening and we will talk soon. Thank you. So let's take wonderful care. Thank you. Thanks for tuning into today's episode. Come and hang out with me on Instagram at Celeste Moore Image. Let me know your thoughts on today's episode because I always love hearing from you all. You can find all the links and resources in the show notes of the episode on my website, CelesteMoore.com. Okay, that's all for now. I'll see you in the next episode. See you next time, friends. Thank you.