Morbid - Australian Madness Volume 1

Episode Date: August 10, 2018

Everyone knows that Australia does things bigger and scarier than most anyone else on this big floating space rock. I mean, have you see a Huntsman Spider??? Google it. I'll wait. Today's episode is the first in a series (not back to back) where we will take a look at some of Australia's worst crimes. Tonight's cases are Ivan Milat "The Backpacker Killer" and the horrific murder of Anita Cobby. Keep the Vegemite at home because, this is a rough one. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Good day, weirdos. I'm Ash. I'm Alina. And this is morbid. Crocodile Dundee. Was that even a little bit Australian? I don't know. Let me know. That was a lot of cliche Australian shit. I hope we didn't just lose all our listeners from Australia. Come back, Australians. We love you. Sorry. We love you. We're going to talk about something specific and I can't remember what. Dead air. was. Maybe it'll come to me. You were going to say on air that if anything God forbid happens to you, I get all your money? No. No? I was not going to say that. I don't know. I thought so. Not at all.

Well, either way, it's been a minute. Yeah, I feel like it's been a long time. It has. We're a little late in the week. It's like low-key, my fault. It's totally her fault. It's also your kids' fault. I know, it totally is. It's your fault. It was first your fault, and then it was my kid's fault. That's true. Yeah. But either way, we're here. Do you want to just, like, cut the small talk and just be like, hey, let's go? Let's just do this. You know what, guys? You waited long enough. You don't know what? We'll talk about all our business that we need to take care of at the end. So today we're talking about Australia. Australian killers. And also, this will not be the only Australian killer episode. We're going to keep them coming. Yeah, we're not going to do them back to back.

gonna throw them in there willy-nilly randomly. I did them back to back and it was like an Australian marathon. Just an Australian month. I'm sure some people would love that. Do you know what? I always say all Australian. But it's just Australian. It's just all.

A-U. I'm like, Australian. All Australian. That's stupid. It's all the Australians. All Australians. You know. You know Australians.

Oh, I just sniffled. I'm sorry. God damn it. I'm going to have to edit that out. Alina always has to edit out my coughs and my ums and my yes and my sniffs and my pee sounds. Today I was like, I just pee a lot and then I was like, oh. That means you're hydrated. But I'll just make yucky sounds.

But, I mean, we're gonna, we're gonna, there's so many. I mean, Australia is a brutal ass place. Shit goes down in the outback. Like, I'm sure everybody has seen those videos of all those crazy ass critters that live down there. Yeah, they got some wild shit. Like everything there is just like super sized. and savage. Yeah, like spiders the size of toddlers.

Yeah, it's no joke. So, like, all you Australians who are listening, which I know there's some Australians listening because I look at our analytics. Shout out to you. So shout out to Australia, which I also have family members in Australia. What? We have, like, part of our ancestors went to Australia. What?

How do you know that? Yeah, because I know that I know our family. Oh, good thing one of us does. Yeah. So I'm sure we have some family down there. I did not know that. But, so yeah, so it's beautiful. I totally want to visit.

You guys are rad. And you guys have some crazy-ass crime down there. For real. But, um, so there's so many that we're definitely going to do a few more episodes that we'll just kind of sprinkle in some more. You guys. Ching, Ching, Australia. Yeah, you guys also gave us a lot of really good suggestions when I threw it out there and we grabbed one of them. So we're going to do that.

I just grabbed it. I reached out and I grabbed it. Thank you. Like Ivan Milat's mustache looks like it would reach out and grab you. Look at that transition. Look at that. 10 out of 10. She's skating across the ice hose.

I'm like a news anchor. I can't think of a news anchor's name, but I tried to for a thing. Savannah Guthrie. Yep. I like Savannah Guthrie. Laura Spencer. She's on Flea Market Flood. Maybe that's her name.

I'm not positive. You should watch Flea Market Flood. That's not a news anchor. She's on Good Morning America, though. Oh, I was like, that's a show. I think she's on Good Morning America. I don't watch Good Morning America. I'm a Today's show girl.

girl. I just read CNN. This is a Today Showhouse. Okay. Well, we are Savannah Guthrie and Hoda Cotty. I love Hoda. Also, Willy Geist. Hey-yo. We are in Willie Geist house. So we decided that we were going to start with Ivan Malaat. Was that actually? Because I don't think so. It was. What was that? That was Australian. Try it again. Oiven Mollat. Oh, something touched me. Oh, it was a plant. Sorry. We're not outside.

That's not Australian. It's Australian. They say like, Ivan. Oiven, Malat, mate. That's Australian. Okay. That's Australian as fuck. I think you just added mate at the end.

I think that I am Australian as fuck. I think my ancestors in Australia just came through me and I became Australian for a second. That's pretty odd. Hopefully I didn't offend any, but. I think you might have. No, I think it is. Listen to Case File. He has good Australian accent. Wait, where's the guy on, um, Dark Tourist?

Yes, he's New Zealand. Yeah. You don't want to confuse those, too. I know. They're very different. They're very different. So, both really cool accents, though. They're similar accents, right? They are similar accents. That's why people confuse him, because the accents sound alike. Both totally rad accents, so good job. So Ivan Malat. He was known as the backpacker killer.

He was Australia's most notorious serial killer. For his mustache? Only for his mustache. Knew it. That was it. Got it. Without the mustache, he was super chill. You were nothing.

Yeah, he was nothing without that mustache. That giant handlebar mustache. So in very tiny shorts. All the pictures of him, he's wearing very tiny shorts. Was it the 80s? It's unsettling. It was. That's why.

So, yeah. 80 shorts are scary. But it's unsettling. I don't like it. Yeah, because you're like about to see his... Yeah, it's not okay. And he's like, I don't know. He just doesn't look great.

He doesn't look right. So, he was convicted of killing seven people between the ages of 19 and 22 years old. So he had a pretty small demographic. I'm 22. Almost, there's almost definitely more than the seven that they know about out there. Sorry, I feel like I'm losing my voice a little, so I sound a little crackly. I swear on air, I get nervous and I start to sniffle and I start to lose my voice. and so I'm really nervous, guys. I'm so nervous. It was such a stupid noise. Ew. Sorry. I edit that out. No, it was my noise. Oh, I was like, wow, that was mean.

Stupid noise. I feel like that was so stupid. I'm not my noise. Anyways, sorry, I'm hot. Helters Walter's Walter. I hate this pod lab. I love it. There's an inflatable giraffe in the corner. Or actually, I was thinking about taking a picture of that and read and just pod lab things. Just pod live things. Instagram. We should both pose next to it. We really should. I think we'll probably post a photo of this

to blow up giraffe. We will. Because why not? This is my house. So there's definitely more than the seven. I'm thinking they're already trying to attribute like a bunch of more cold cases to them. They keep popping up all the time.

I bet they can't out with the DNA. Right? See? Shit's going to happen. Yeah, like I just want to really quick. The April Tinsley case. Yeah. Huge case.

from, of course, I'm not going to remember how long ago it was, because I don't have anything written down about it. It's a really awful case. I believe it was in the 80s. And it was like, an eight-year-old girl got abducted, raped, and murdered. Awful, awful, awful. She was so adorable, too. And the killer was, like, writing messages afterwards saying he's going to kill again, admitting that he did it, and, like, leaving, he would leave, like, used condoms on playgrounds with a note saying like I'm going to come get you again. What the fuck? Like he was a piece of absolute shit.

And they just caught him like 30 years later through the familial DNA thing. So hell yes for science. And I am so glad that that family finally has. Closure at least. Oh my God. I can't even. That case. We'll cover that case at some point just because they have the guy now and it's at least there's some kind of closure.

And it's a really awful case. But I think it's one that needs to be told. But yeah, so score one for DNA. Hell yeah. Score two. Score two, yeah, score two for DNA. There's probably 85 scores in this point. Yeah, there's a lot of scores, but two that we are talking about right now.

So there's also one survivor of Ivan Millett. And do you know what his name is, everyone? It's pretty awesome name. I didn't know, but I read Elena's notes before this. She copies off me, all the damn time. His name is Paul onions. and we will get to him later. Yes.

But we just wanted to throw that out there. So remember Paul Onions, because he's going to come up later. Ivan Molat's Killing Ground was, which we mentioned last podcast, because we were talking about woods and shit. It was the, I just did a really, very unsettling dance, by the way. I love it personally. Just so you know. His killing ground was the Belanglo State Forest in the southern portion of Australia,

between Sydney and Canberra. Fun fact, the horror movie Wolf Creek is loosely inspired by these events. Oh, damn. I saw Wolf Creek in the theater. I didn't. It was a long time ago. But it's a fucked up movie, so this guy's fucked up. Of course you went to see it in the theater.

Of course I did. So Ivan Robert Marco Malat. Long name. Right? Was born December 27th, 1944, which is a day before my birthday. All these correlations. So many correlations. He was born in Guildford, New South Wales, Australia.

Oh my God, that's where you were born. Exactly. We, I mean, this might be me. Crazy. Yeah. Hope not. I hope not either. Let's see.

All right. We don't know where this is going. It could be me. Take me down the path. Yeah, let's do this. We'll go together. Journey with us. Nah, la-la.

He was one of 14 children. Nope, not me. Fuck that. Also, way too many kids. Legitimately. Fuck that. Way too many kids. They could have their own.

reality show on TLC. 14. He was one of 14 children born to his father, who was a Croatian Croatian immigrant named, sorry. Dijon. Stefan Marco Stephen, quote, Malat. So they were just like, let's call you Stephen. It works. And his mother, who was an Australian woman named Margaret Elizabeth Millat. I like that name Margaret. That is a cute, it's a cute name.

Shout out to you if your name is Margaret. Shout out all you Margaret's out there. The mulats were super like, you know, backwards. One might say. They were very into rural living. That's a very hard word to say. Very much like Ash. Rural.

Ash is so rural. I am rural as fuck. My fake Birkenstocks make me hella rural. Yes. Very rural. Rural. That's a very hard word to say. Rural.

That's like the rural jrural. juror. Have you, no, you wouldn't, you didn't know that. Somebody's going to know that because somebody watched 30 Rock and appreciates that reference. Annie, rural juror. Just remember. Okay, well, anyone out there who watches, watched 30 Rock, great show, we'll know what I'm saying when I say rural juror. I'm going to start watching it so I know. Watch it, so you know. Okay. It's a good joke. Um, so they were super isolated. So it's, it is kind of tough to get like reliable information about his childhood. Were they like survivalists?

Kind of. They were just kind of like living their lives in the backwoods of Australia. They were just like, we don't need you. But there have been interviews with his brother Boris to help, you know, piece the pieces together a little bit. Why am I thinking of a duck named Boris? I don't know. Is that a thing? I don't really know.

A duck named Boris. A duck named Boris. I can't help you. There's some show with a duck named Boris. I did not. watch that show. I hope I'm not actually losing it. You might be losing it, but it's okay. Leave that in so someone knows. Someone will know. So according to Boris, not the duck, the brother. L.L.

Ivan appeared to exhibit psychopathic, sociopathic tendencies pretty early on. But all of the other members of his family are like, no, he didn't. He's great. So, well, he was great. So we'll see. Um, Mollat was described as good looking. muscular. He loved hunting and he really loved guns. He was like one of those people who loves guns. And he took, and he was also known to take very good care of his appearance, which shows in that flawless mustache of his. His parents were hardworking and super strict, but they also had 14 fucking kids. So, Malat and his brothers were kind of like free-range kids. Where did he lie in the 14? Do you know?

I honestly don't know. I didn't write that down, which is weird. Usually I do. But I don't know. He was in there somewhere. I mean, it's just a matter. I was just serious. But they had a reputation for being troublemakers in the neighborhood.

Because they were just kind of always. Because there's 14 of them. And the parents couldn't watch all their kids. So the kids just ended up being, you know, running amok. I love them. Amok, amok, amok. There ended up being a lot of police visits to the farm as the children grew up there. it just became more and more of the problem.

So they were like little dicks. They were little dicks. You're a little dick. You're a little dick. So from the age, you know, little sidetrack here, I didn't want to call someone a dick in front of my kids the other day.

So I called them a porch. And it took a minute. But you got there. When I explained it to you, you were like, okay. Why the fuck would I ever make that reference by myself, though? No, you wouldn't. No one would.

But like in my head it made sense. because I was like, that person, and see, because you say that guy's a porch, because he's a dick, but you don't want to say dick, and you wanted to say deck, like he's a deck. But you also thought that might be interpreted as dick by your kids, so you go to porch. Mom life, brought to you by Elena. That's just a little tip from me to you. Misunderstood by Ash. Moving on. Anyways.

So from the age of about 17, Ivan was. constantly in trouble with the police. Uh-oh. He had, like, various charges on his record from housebreaking, home invasion, car thefts, and armed robberies. And when I read housebreaking, it made me think of, like, he was like a dog, and he had a charge of, like, housebreaking. I don't know why.

1971 at the age of 27 years old, Ivan was put on trial for the alleged rape of two female hitchhikers. Oh, no. Yeah. They testified. that he threatened them with a very large hunting knife during the attack. He was acquitted on the rape charges when the prosecution failed basically to make a compelling case against him. That's so shitty.

Which is such a bummer. Because think about it, if he had gotten convicted for that, who knows? Maybe none of these people would have died. Thanks a lot, prosecution. Prosecution. Croscution. Thanks, prosecution. Sometimes when we're on air, I just can't talk.

You just malfunction. Blinda. It happens. So his known killing. spree started in 1989. He was 45 years old and it spanned until about 1992 from what we know. I wasn't alive any of those years. Dear God. I like to talk about when I wasn't alive. I was alive all those years. People feel old. Yeah. Ash is basically an embryo. Well, actually, if I was around back then and I was me right now, I would possibly be one of his victims because I'm 22. 22.

Yeah, but you wouldn't be backpacking. Get the fuck out of here. Like, you'd be trekking through a forest. Yeah, no. I tried to come up with a valid argument, but... No, totally. No, you would not. Fuck that. You'd be Charlie Manson's victim. Yep. I'd be on LSD and a bus. Yep. I'd be on LSD and a bus. I've never done acid. No. But you would have if you were back then. For sure. For sure. Yeah. I'm glad we just know that. Absolutely. We just accept that. So, his victim profile ranged.

He was not one that just went after women. He didn't just go after men. He was just like, hey, if you're here and you have a backpack strap to you, you're done for it. You're my dude. And it mostly seemed his murders were of just convenience. He would pick up a hitchhiker or see like an unsure, often foreign backpacker. And he would take advantage of the situation.

So it was always they kind of just. He was like kind of lazy. He was lazy. He was lazy. They would just fall into his lap, yeah. They just fell right into his mustache trap. Exactly, which is very easy to do. Never trust anyone with a mustache. Not with that kind of mustache. No, my personal opinion is most mustaches. I'm like, I don't know about you. Buddy. I don't know, sometimes mustaches, but then again, I think of like BTK had a mustache and he can literally go fuck himself. There's legit. You hate BTK so much. I do too. I have such a vendetta against BTK. There's like a whole thing. Like, that's, like, a whole thing. Like, that's,

guy has a profile stash. That's true. I don't trust many guys with mustache. I'm sorry, y'all. I mean, some of them are okay. I don't know. Honestly, I mean, if it's like all, what's it called when it's all together, a mustache and a beard and some side chops. What's that?

Facial hair. I don't know. What, isn't that a goatee? A goatee? You put the wrong infassus on the wrong syllable. A goate. A goate. It sounds like a kind of drink.

A goatee? A goate. A goatee is when it's like a mustache be, like just chin beard. So circle around the ones. Like one of those. I'm making a very uncomfortable circular motion around. I'm legit so fucking uncomfortable. It's just like, you know, I'm just going to sit here and.

draw with my pole to finger around my lips. I don't know why I felt like just drawing an oval around my lips. It feels satisfying. It's going to make you be like, I understand. I get what that is. Yeah. It's a goate.

Ooh, a goatee. I'm crying. There are tears in my eyes right now. Oh my God, I love making people laugh until they cry. I'm crying. I hope I'm making you laugh in traffic. But not too much that you crash. Yep.

Definitely don't want that. I went there. Thanks for bringing it to that place. Sorry. So, Paul. in his mustache. Nope, not Paul. Ivan in his mustache.

I've been in his mustache. This is not Paul Nunes yet. We have not got to him. onions. Onions. Onions. So, who,

all right. So all in all, he killed two men and five women. Okay. So you could say he had a little bit of a thing for women, but I think it was just they were there. Yep. So most victims were found,

which is just like a weird little thing. Most victims were found with the zipper of their pants unzipped, but the top buttoned still buttoned. So he was just trying to make it look like you did something? I don't need anything. No, I think he did. I'm sure he did. But it was just weird that like he always kept the top button button because it was almost

like he didn't. Because some were undressed. Like some didn't have pants on. So it's not like he was like shameful of like taking their pants off. Maybe it was just like another laziness thing. Yeah. Like just unzipped. Like fuck buttons are hard.

Just get to where you need to get to, which is he's a dick. Usually the female. victims were found with their shirts and broads pulled up like around their shoulders. Oh no. Which is like really aggressive and gross. Yeah. It indicates obviously that they were molested, sexually assaulted. And he often killed in pairs, which is crazy. Yeah, like that he was able to subdue two people at once. And in that he went after two people at once because you always think when you're in a pair that you have an advantage that nobody's really going to want to go after you if you're in a pair. But what were his measurements?

I don't know what his measurements were. 32 by what? I don't really know what he was. He was a big dude. He was big? Yeah, he was a big dude. Okay, that's all I needed to know. And he was pretty, like, buff, too.

Yeah. You could look at him. He was solid. So that's pretty, that's probably how he overbripping. Yeah. If I can find his measurements, I'll put them up on the Instagram. Caption it, what were his measurements? Yeah, what were his measurements?

His victims would be gagged, tied up, and sometimes held on makeshift leashes. What? Yeah. So it was very important for Malat to feel in control. That's part of his like psychology is that he needs to be in control. He has a very real need for complete control. So he would make makeshift leashes out of like sash cords, like those little hook cords. Right.

And he would use those to literally like control them like dogs. Oh no, no. Which just brings so many awful images to the table. Yeah. I hate it. Yeah. So he had multiple methods of murder. He did not have one thing that he stuck to.

He didn't just shoot them with his bashings? No, he had some things that he kind of seemed to like more than others. But he didn't, he would stab, he would strangle, he would shoot, or he would beat people to death. Oh, my God. Yeah. Sometimes he would even kill two people together in totally different ways. Wow. So, like, one person he would shoot and kill and the other person he'd strangle.

Shit. But all his victims were stabbed in the torso at one point. So that is one thing he did stick to with every single one was stabbed in the torso. Oh, okay. So here are his victims. The first and second victims of Ivan Millat were Deborah Everest and James Gibson. They went missing in 1989 and they weren't discovered until October of 1993. Oh, shit.

Yeah, this happened a lot because they were in such remote areas. So in October 1993, a local man named Bruce Pryor discovered a huge. human skull in a femur in a very remote section of the belanglo state forest i literally never want to find human remains i can't say that i know and that's why you're fucked up it's just like a thing i don't want that i'm not saying i want to i'm just saying like it would be cool so i in like the uh i don't know if i could say that i think i just don't want the hassle of having to be questioned after that i just don't want the hassle of fucking nightmares afterwards yeah because that's I don't think that would be my issue.

I think it would literally be like, shit. Now I'm automatically. Have to be questioned. And I don't want that hassle. So this guy, Bruce Pryor, that found the human skull and the femur, he returned to the area with police. Good on him. And two bodies were very quickly discovered and identified as Deborah Everest and James Gibson. Gibson's skeleton showed eight stab balloons.

A large knife had cut through his upper spruce. spine, which would have caused paralysis. Oh, my God. And this happened, this was another thing he did. He would cut to paralyze so they couldn't move, which is real fucked up. So he knew what he was doing too because he hunted. Mm-hmm. And he knew if I just severed the spine.

And it's like that whole thing, like C-5 stay alive. If you cut below the C-5 vertebrae, you'll stay alive. You'll stay alive, but you'll be paralyzed. Oh, fuck. So it's one of those things, like anything above that if you sever the spinal cord, you're in trouble because it controls what helps you breathe. So you'll stop, you know, it'll be really difficult, if not impossible for you to breathe. But below the C5 vertebrae, you can, you can still survive.

And that's pretty low. And that's pretty low. So they would basically cut. He probably cut them in the lower back. And so this, so he had a lot, so Gibson had a large knife cut through the upper spine, which would have caused paralysis. and he had stab wounds in his back and chest that would have punctured his heart and lungs. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Everest had been savagely beaten. That's the woman? Yeah. And he seemed to have, like, beaten the women mostly. Yeah, that's what I saw. What a dick-hack. Her skull was fractured in two places.

Her jaw was broken, and there were knife marks on her fucking forehead. What? Yeah. So she had been stabbed in the fucking head. In the face. She had been stabbed once in the... the back as well. The presence of Gibson's body in Blangelo State Forest was kind of weird to the investigators because they had found his backpacking camera like previously when they went missing.

They found the backpacking camera by the side of the road at Galston Gorge in northern Sydney suburbs, which are like 75 miles to the north. So he took it with them. Yeah, I guess he must have dumped him somewhere else. And as you'll see, he does like, he does like. He does. a lot of things with people's stuff. To like fuck with police. He likes to keep things from people. He's a trophy guy. Yeah.

Yeah. Which makes sense because he's a hunter. It kind of makes sense with his psychology that he would want to keep trophies from his kills. Yucky. So, Milat's third victim was Simone Schmidle. She was the only victim to be murdered alone, which is sad. I hate that so much. And she went missing on January 20th, 1991, which is my brother's birthday.

and was found on November 1st in 1993. Her skull was found in like a clearing in the forest by police sergeant Jeff Trichter. The skull was later identified as that of Simone. And she was from Regensburg, Germany. So he did get a lot of tourists, which makes sense. Exactly. They're backpacking and they're unfamiliar with their surroundings. So they're kind of like ripe for the picking.

She was last seen hitchhiking on January 20th, 1991, the day she went missing. And clothing found it her scene was not hers. But matched that of another missing backpiper. A bag piper? It matched a bagpiper. We're not in Scotland this week. We are not. But we will go there.

Hell yeah. Because Scotland rules. We're Scottish. We Scottish. And yeah, yeah, we have like a fucking clan and shit. We have a clan. We have a tartan, we have a castle. A thistle.

We have a, I mean, Scotland has thistles. Yeah. Sure, we have a thistle. We have thistles all over the place. And bagpipes for that matter. And bagpipes. But what they found here was not a bagpiper. But they found clothing at Simone's scene that was not Simone's, but actually was another

missing backpackers named Anya Habsheed. Did he kill her too? we will see. Well, he must have if he had a clue. So Simone's skeleton showed at least eight stab wounds. Oh, God. And two had severed her spine. Oh, damn.

Others had punctured her heart and lungs. So it seems like he really knew where he was going with these stab wounds. So the fourth and fifth victims were former German soldier, Gabor Naglauer and his girlfriend, Anya Habsheed. Oh. So they were missing since December 1991 and were discovered on November 3rd, 1993. Their bodies were in shallow graves about 160 feet apart. Oh, that's so sad.

I don't like that. I hate it. I hate it. I'm mad. No, I am. She just had emotions right now. I did. She's having couples get killed in general.

Yeah, that's a bummer. Yeah, that's no good. So fucking evil. Well, Gabber was likely strangled. Because, and they know this because that was the man. Okay. And he was a former German soldier. That's what I was thinking.

Yeah. He was a comment on that. So they know this because he had a fractured hyoid bone, which is like a free-floating bone in your throat. That it's very hard. Basically, when it's broken, it shows that there's been pressure on that part of your throat. And it's really only broken from strangulation. Like very specific pressure from strangulation. Talk bone to me.

So they always look for a broken hyoid bone in cases where they think someone was strangled. Got it. It's kind of like the one thing they look for. It's like the smoking bone. Noted. Yeah. Did you hear that nerd home? Yeah, yeah, hilarious.

Oh, my God. So. That was me too. Shut up. So he also had six bullet holes in his skull. Oh, man. And one bullet hole in his upper body. Jesus.

I wonder if he tried to run away. Well, three of the bullets entered at the base of his head. And three more from the left side. So... Maybe not. I don't really not. Well, no shell casings or bullets were found near his grave, which was a thing with Ivan. There was no...

Was he moved? He would never leave bullets or shell casings around. This kind of indicated that he was either murdered elsewhere. Or that he collected them. And brought there or that Millat was savvy enough to pick up the casings. Jesus. So over the whole area at one point, there was 90 shell casings found. at one point, so he really used a lot.

Anya had been decapitated. Oh, God. Which was a first. Experts say that Millat had likely had her kneel with her head facing the ground before he... So she was alive. Her head has never been found. I hate, no. That's so awful.

Yeah. Like, decapitation freaks me out, man. Oh. It's just like fucking medieval, dude. It is. Her pants were found. the crime scene of Simone, like I said before, Simone Schmidle. So she was likely raped, too.

Experts believe he kept Anya on a leash made from a sash cord for a bit before he killed her. It's so fucked up. He's real fucked up. The sixth and seventh victims were Caroline Clark and Joanne Walters. This is pretty fucked up. Oh, no. These two were backpacking in Australia. They had come from England, and they actually met each other in a hostel, in a hostel in Australia.

They didn't know each other before this. And they met, and this was in April of 1992 that they met, and they were like, yo, let's backpack together. We're both from England. We're trying to do this like, let's do it. So they were going to backpack around Australia together, and they were hoping at this time that they disappeared to get seasonal fruit picking jobs, which was apparently a thing. They were discovered in an area of the forest called Executioner's Drop. on September 20th, 1992. They disappeared from Inner Sydney suburb of King's Cross in April of 1992, which is

basically when they met, like right when they started out. So these were the first of Milat's victims to actually be discovered out of all of them. They were discovered first. They were discovered. Their bodies were discovered first. Oh, okay. Two runners discovered a decaying corpse while orientering in the Belango State Forest. in New South Wales, Australia, the following day after they found this decaying corpse,

police constables Roger Gouge and Suzanne Roberts discovered a second body 98 feet from the first. Damn. Police quickly confirmed that the bodies were those of Clark and Walters. Walters, no, this is where... No. Walters had been stabbed 14 times. Holy shit.

Four times in the heart and lungs, one in the neck, and nine times in her back. Oh my God. So violently that her spinal cord had been cut. Clark had, now that was Walters, Clark had been shot in the head ten times. What? Like that's overkill.

And had one stab wound. She also had a piece of fabric that was wrapped around her head that is thought to have, like, depersonalized her. No. And experts believe that Millat had used Clark's head for target practice. because of the different angles that the bullets entered her skull. What? Now, my personal thought...

While she was alive? Yeah, like they tied her up and just shot her in the head and used her head for target practice. Oh, my God. They say, like, everything I read was like, oh, the fabric must have depersonalized her. But personally, I kind of think the fabric was used because it allowed him to see where his bullets were entering. Right, that's what I was thinking. It's like a target. Right.

Like, without it, he wouldn't have been able to see it because, blood would have mixed in everything. That makes sense. But that fabric, he could literally aim and see where he was hitting. It's like the cutout that they give you at the shooting range. I think it was his like fucked up version of that. That's just me personally. I don't know.

No, because I thought that too. Yeah, I couldn't, I didn't find that anywhere because people just think it was must have been a depersonalization thing. I mean, it works as both. I don't think that though. But I don't think he needed to depersonalize, right? I mean, why would you do that? I don't think he was the type of killer that needed to, he didn't have any.

And he didn't depersonalize the other girl. No. So it's like, no, I don't think. Yeah, no, I agree with that. So no more evidence was found in the surrounding areas. And since they were the first of his victims found at the time, police didn't think there was really any reason to believe that anybody else was going to be found. Little did the know. But then they were going to find all the other victims. It does seem that Millette derived sexual gratification from the control, like the total control over his victims.

He was one of those. Ew. Now, this makes him at least. partially a sexual sadist in my opinion. Yeah. Like Ted Bundy. Like he liked, like,

he like got off on it. He could only, he could only get it up when someone's in pain and completely, you know, in his control. Which is, same as Bundy. It always comes back to Bundy.

Okay, bye. There's Charlie. Sorry. Charlie's not a serial killer, though. I know. Did you, you didn't tell me that Charlie Manson was on that episode of, um,

Dark Tworries. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. And his, like, friend who his body got left to and all shit. Yeah, who was like, yeah, who was like super all about him. Yeah, again, watch that show guys. Also, his friend literally reminded me so much of Charlie Vincent. Oh, I know he did. He really did. And it's, yeah, watch Doctorist on Netflix. It's so good. And there's a, I forgot to say it because I was so insane about that haunted house one, but there is that, I think it's the same episode. They go to the United States twice. Yeah, and they go to visit Charlie Manson's. pen pal slash friend who got his body he died who his body was left to so go check that out because that shit's crazy yeah sorry for the random interview no that was good everybody watched that so obviously

gags and restraints were used in most of the murders which proves my point further and it shows that malat did have the control he wanted through these things he was able to get it so he would also spend a lot of time with the victims these weren't quick like boom boom you're done I'm leave in your body's in the woods now. Do you think that was, like, sexual thing? I think it was, because, like, he would spend time before, during, and after their murders. Near each grave site, there were makeshift fireplaces, cigarette butts, and sometimes cans with bullet holes.

Like, he would hang out there. So after? Yeah, like, he might have, like, because there was, like, cans with bullet holes, he would just sit and, like, shoot the shit while they were probably tied up in pain. Like, he could have paralyzed them with a shot to, like, a stab to the back. And then just hung out while they were like writhing in pain. That's like super fucked up. Right?

Like he's a fucked up dude. And that means he was confident enough to stay around his victims for long periods of time. Well, wasn't this forest like wicked secluded? But like you're not even afraid because I don't know if he paralyzed all of them right away. You're not even afraid that one of them was going to try. You oftentimes he would get two people at once. Or that like another backpacker's going to come along. Exactly. That's the thing.

It's like he wasn't afraid. He was probably just like fucking out of them too. and kill them too, yeah. Damn. Like, he's a scary motherfucker. Well, that makes sense in the control thing. Like, he probably had some kind of complex. Oh, for sure.

He had to, yeah. This control was, like, this mighty guy. Yeah, he totally did. And he did dispose of all his victims in the same manner. So all his victims were dumped, obviously, in the same area of the Belanglo State Forest. And each victim was placed face down with their hands put behind their backs. And then he would make a pyramid out of the... sticks and ferns on top of their bodies.

Why? Almost like a grave marker. It's very weird. That doesn't signify any kind of sympathy, does it? No. No, especially face down. Yeah, face down. That's degrading.

Why a grave marker, though? I don't know. Almost like he wanted to be like, ha-ha, I did this. Yeah, like, I almost think it was just fun for him. I don't even know. I can't even think of something that makes sense there. That's very strange.

Yeah. Well, after developing a profile of the killer that they got from all these bodies. Investigators applied link analysis technology to roads and traffic authority vehicle records, gym memberships, guns licensing, and internal police records. So they were trying to come up with any list of suspects they could.

So the list of suspects did narrow because of that. From a list of 230 people to an even shorter list of 32. And this list of 32 included Ivan Malat. Okay. Now let's talk. about Paul onions, the sole survivor. Onions. Onions.

Onions. Onions. onions. onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. By the band, Evil Onion.

Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. Full circle. Love it. I just got hell aloud there. So Paul onions. Onions.

Onions. Paul onions was visiting from England and was hoping to get a ride to go fruit picking. Not vegetable picking. Everyone's going fruit picking. It's a thing. And he was picked up by Ivan Millat on January 25th, 1990. At 42 Wallabay, Wallabay, Wallabay. What's happening?

42 Wallaby Road, Sydney. Is that finding Nemo? Yes. Did I also just die in the middle of that? Wallet. You did. You know what happened? You malfunctioned.

I actually malfunctioned. We have to replace your batteries. I think it's wallaby. I can't remember. I don't remember. Wallaby. Wallaby. So during this whole thing where Ivan Millat picked up Paul onions, so many names that are awesome. And Millat was initially very friendly.

He introduced himself as Bill, which I don't know if you're keeping score, but that's not his name. Spoiler alert. Wasn't Bill. It's Ivan Malat. Oh, my God. Sorry. Whoa. I just ruined it for you.

I totally had no idea. Sorry if you guys were just like, who could this be? Were you on the edge of your seat? You were. I was. Uh, Onions found Malat's personal questions about his plans a little, little unnerving. What was he asking? I don't know exactly what he's asking.

He hasn't really revealed a lot, but he said he just became, like, weird. He just started giving off a weird vibe, which good for Paul Onions for like seeing that. Yeah, fuck politeness. And my favorite her would say. My favorite murder is right. Fuck politeness. Because if you get a vibe, get the fuck out of there. Yeah, I don't care if the car's moving.

Just get out. And he said he became really concerned for his personal safety because Malat started ranting, making racist and xenophobic remarks and just being like a dick. So they drove for a while. And then Paul began to get like the hebes from Bill. Like he was like, you're giving me weird vibes. Take it down a notch. Yeah, Ivan.

Like, he was like, I think Bill Ivan you need to, like, I think Biven, you need to chill. Biven. like chill bivin so he was just getting him he was giving him bad vibes and after about an hour of this bad vibe bivin stopped the truck no way out of nowhere and he pulled over and he claimed that he was going to the back of the truck to get some cassette tapes because he wanted to listen to some music oh you just keep those in the back of your truck you fucking weirdo well paul noticed that there were like a ton of cassette tapes in the front of the truck and so he went to tell bill that it was cool and they could keep listening to the, you know, like,

the Kylie Minogue that was playing. I just picked a random Australian musician from 1990. Well, when he went to get out of the truck, because I think he was going to, like, tiptoe away. I think he was just going to be like, yeah, like Irish goodbye that shit. And when he tried to do that, Bill pulled out some ropes

and attempted to tie onions by the hands and pulled a gun on him. Oh, awesome. How the fuck did he get away? Now, at this point, he managed to get the hell out. out of the car while Biven shot at him. Was he just like zigzagging across the Australian outbacks? Yeah, he was like serpentineing.

And Paul jumped the hell out of the truck. While I was moving? And ran straight into oncoming traffic. And at first, Biven stayed in the truck just grinning. Like just watching him run into traffic. And then he made an attempt to wrestle Paul. In the middle of the street? Yep.

So Paul managed to get a woman named Joanne Berry to stop her car. and he dove into her back seat and they fucking split. Like went to the nearest police station. Yes, Joanne. Now, why is this all very important? Because after news started going crazy about all those bodies being found in the woods? Composite sketch? No.

Cool. I tried. That was good. But the woman who saved Paul's life in the car, Joanne Berry, called the hotline number for the task force. 1-800, I know who Biven is. He was like, I got this due name by then that I think it. He fits your bill.

But the hotline was overloaded due to the amount of calls that the hotline was receiving. Did you just notice that I said he fits your bill and I didn't even mean to? Oh my damn. Pun, not intended. That was so good. I was clever and I didn't even fucking know it. I loved it. I loved it and I didn't even know I loved it, but I love it.

Sorry, I just hit your toe. So during this time, there was also the girlfriend of a man who worked with, I, Ivan Millat who was like, I think you should question Ivan Malat. The girlfriend of like a guy who worked with him. Oh, okay, okay. So the girlfriend of a dude who worked with Ivan Malat was like, maybe he did it. She thought he should be questioned over the case and called the hotline as well. Because she got the he be-jee-jee-be.

So they got two calls from two different, like, two very like intense calls that were like, I think he did it. They were making the hotline bling. Oh, I love it. You know what my favorite? I don't even. American Horror Story? Right. That one scene where Hotline Bling plays over murder and mayhem.

Some people loved it. I fucking loved it. Every fiver of my being on the side. I was writing for, because I was a TV writer for bustle.com. Which was really fun. And I used to have to live write for American Horror Story. In live writing for that scene, all the writers were going fucking bananas. Oh, hell, yeah.

Like we were going nuts. Also, everyone doesn't live writing kind of sound a little bit like hell? It is hell. It's pretty hilarious because you're not really watching. You're frantically trying to get an article out as fast as possible. Me and Elena liked to watch TV together, and I was never invited over when she was live writing. Yeah, it's a bummer. It was a sad time.

But I'm not doing that anymore, so now when Game of Thrones comes back, I can actually watch Game of Thrones. I can't fucking wait. For two seasons, I have not really watched it. I've had to just frantically write through it. I literally cannot fucking wait. Game of Thrones. So Bill Ivan Hotline Bling, Ring. So November 13th, 1993.

Paul onions heard about the bodies that were being found in Australia, and he was like, huh. So he just, and he did that. He was like, huh. And then he decided to call the task force number. Also, I'm making a lot of hand gestures right now. So many. I'm afraid of him. But I'm very intense right now.

So he decided to call the task force number and give them information about that situation because he was like, yo, maybe my attacker is this guy. I don't fuck, but he was like this guy named Bill. This guy named Bill. So the responding. officer thanked him for the information and hung up and that was it. Did he read it down? Nothing really happened at first.

So come April 13th, 1994, Detective Gordon found a note regarding Paul Onion's call. Okay. And that was five months earlier. All right. So nothing was done for five months and then all of a sudden Detective Gordon finds this note. Sounds a lot like police. Superintendent Clive Small immediately called for the original report from Baueril police, but it was missing from their files. Of course it was. Of course. So fortunately,

Constable Janet Nicholson, so many names, had taken the full report in her notebook. Fuck yeah, Janet. That's right. Rating down shit in notebooks all the way. Now this notebook provided even more details than the original one way. Like she had the whole original statement. Janet knew what she was doing. Like good job Janet. Hell yeah, Janet. Fuck yeah, Janet. Damn it Janet. Love that. That's from... It's a Rocky Horror Picture Show reference. I'm making a lot of references right now that I think that I know you're not going to get, so I need to stop doing them.

I think that's, but I know a lot of people will get that one of your favorite pastimes is making references I don't get. It's true. Damn it, Janet. People will get it. No, I've seen that. Just not for a long time. Anyway.

So Janet, police confirmed that Ivan's brother. Now, I think his brothers, like his whole family was kind of getting. looked at here because people were like those malats so they started looking at like his brothers and shit but they confirmed that his brother Richard who people were really like thinking maybe could have done too

they confirmed that he had been working on the day of Paul Onion's attack but Ivan was not so the files oh he wasn't he was not huh he was bivining that day oh correct so the files for both Paul Onion

and the woman who saved his life Joanne Berry were placed under the lead file now. So they finally got upgraded. Don't you think it's kind of wild that everyone was trying to pick fruit and then Joanne Barry saved the day? Whoa. Just saying. That's crazy. I think so.

I feel like that's like the universe or something. Fuck yeah. I don't know. I love the universe. Well, like I said, the police were already looking into the Malat family based on, you know, Malat's history of being Malat's. Allegedly raping and kidnapping two girls. in 1971.

You know, he had been acquitted for the charge, but it was still rousing quite a bit of suspicion. Shortly after the notes for his attack were found, onions flew to Australia. So he came to Australia from England, where he's from. Oh, okay, okay. He flew back to Australia to show the officers exactly where it took place. And on May 5, 1994, he was able to pick Millat out of a video lineup of suspects. Oh, wow. Yes.

Yes, Paul, Eni. So it was because of Paul's ability to pick out Malat, all the warrants were granted, and evidence tying Malat to the murders was discovered. Oh, my God. Now, police learned that Malat had served prison time before for his bullshit. He wasn't charged or convicted with the rape and assault to those women, but he was charged.

So he did serve prison time in 1971. They also, so that was pertinent to this, that he was capable of that. They also learned that he and his brother, Richard Millat worked together on road gangs along the highway between Sydney and Melbourne. Okay. And that he owned property in the vicinity of Belanglo. Okay. And had sold a Nissan Patrol four-wheel drive vehicle right after the discovery of the bodies of Clark and Walters.

And it makes sense that he would need a four-wheel vehicle to get in and out of the forest. Oh, yeah. So acquaintances also told the police that Millett had a fucking obsession with weapons. Good. And he had a ton of those, like, pictures of him fucking holding 17 huge guns and shit. Yeah, what a fucking tool. With his fucking huge mustache and his tiny dick. So.

Savage. Sorry. So after a very lengthy negotiation. Now, Wayne Gordon was the negotiator trying to get Ivan out of his house. Okay. You know, like in Mind Hunter when holding forward. Opening scene and then he shoots itself right in the head. Yeah.

That didn't happen here, though. Good. So it was a very lengthy negotiation. Malat was arrested on May 22nd, 1994, at his home at Sinabar Street, Eagle Vale, after 50 police officers surrounded the premises. Holy balls. Including heavily armed officers from tactical operations unit. And also the homes belonging to his brothers, Richard, Alex, Boris, Walter, and Bill. Bill.

He had a brother, Bill. Oh, damn. We're also searched at the same time by over 300. police officers. Wow. Holy smokes. Yeah. Now, the search of Milat's home revealed a lot.

Uh-oh. They revealed a cachet of weapons, including parts of a 22-calibre rifle that matched the exact type used in the murders. Oh. Plus a shitload of trophies that he had collected. From the victims. From his murder victims. Including.

Now, this included clothing, camping equipment, and cameras belonging to several of the victims. There was even foreign money belonging to victims found among his shit. Like Indonesian rupee banknotes, which forensic investigators found among Australian cash on his bedside table and his bedroom. And what they found out was that German foreign soldier Gabor Nagbauer, Nagbauer, is that how I said it before? I'm sorry if I'm really burturing this name. It's okay. You try. Negbauer, the 21-year-old that they found in the forest. Yeah.

And his girlfriend, Anya. That was there, money. That couple had been on holiday in Indonesia before arriving to Australia. So it was fucking theirs. Some of these items, Malat was stuffing into the fucking walls while negotiators were trying to get him out of the house. Like, he broke holes in the wall and we're trying to shove shit in the walls. Yeah.

Now, this is, this shit is even crazy. Here's my fucking issue. If you want to do all this, when you finally get caught, you know what? You got caught, so that's it. You don't. You can't do it. be a human and start owning up to your shit. Yeah.

It makes me crazy. But no. And that's the thing. So they found all this shit like belonging to victims in his house and he's like, I didn't do it. He's dead now. Oh. I think.

Yeah, he's dead. So that's good. So now he also took and wore a shirt that was Paul onions. Wow. Yeah. It was found in his garage and people said he literally wore it around. So he liked to wear shit from like people he fucked with. Now, this is even crazier, and I am posting a photo of this on the Instagram.

Paul onions got his shirt back. No. Oh. It was later discovered that he had taken a Benetton shirt from victim Caroline Clark and had given it to his girlfriend. Oh, that is so fucked up. His girlfriend, Shilinder Hughes, apparently had no idea what was going on. Which, likely story.

I don't know. I don't know. Like, where's your boyfriend been all this time? It shocks me about like BTK's wife and kids too, but then I really don't think they knew what was going on either. So it is kind of crazy. Sorry, Shalanda. But there is a photo of her standing on the beach wearing the fucking shirt. That's so fucking.

And there's also a photo of Caroline Clark wearing the shirt. Oh. And if you put them next to each other, it's really fucked up. That poor girl. Maybe she didn't know. Ugh. And forensic psychiatrists believe that he probably got a real thrill out of seeing one of his murder trophies worn unknowingly by someone. In his life.

And of course, his girlfriend, too. Like, that's really fucked up. Like, weirdly sexual. Now, on May 30th, 1994, following a lot of police investigations, Malat was charged with the murders of seven backpackers. And in March 1996, the trial started and lasted 15 weeks.

Now, his defense team was like, I don't know what to do here because they found all this shit. So obviously, they know someone here did it. They just tried to shift the blame to other members of his family. like his brother Richard. I mean, there was 13 other people. They were like, let's give this a shot. Didn't work.

On July 27th, 1996, a jury found Malak guilty of seven murders. Wow. And he was also, which go Paul onions, he was also convicted of the attempted murder, false imprisonment, and robbery of Paul onions. Holy cow. Which I'm really glad about, because Paul

deserves that. Yeah. I do. So he received six years in jail for each count against Paul onions. Oh. So he received six years. six years in jail for the attempted murder, six for the false imprisonment, and six for robbery. Now, for the murders of Caroline Clark, Joanne Walters, Simone Schmidle, Anya Habsheed, Gaber Neigbauer, James Gibson, and Deborah Everest, he was given a life sentence for each count.

Holy cow, so he has 18 years plus seven. And all those sentences were going to run consecutively, and he had no possibility of parole. Because fuck you, Ivan. What was that face you dismayed? Oh, my leg is asleep. So he didn't do so hot in prison. How come? Because, you know, he likes to be in control.

And with prison, you're not in control. No. Now, Malat has been known to cut off a piece of his own finger. He swallowed razor blades. He swallowed staples and other metal objects to try to get hospital visits. In 2011, Malat went on a hunger strike and lost 25 kilograms in an attempt to look at a PlayStation. What? Fuck you.

Yeah, literally fuck him. Either way, there's a few more bodies that are possibly attributed to Malat, and I'll just give you a few so you can see. So five young women who disappeared over a 20-year period from the Newcastle area in New South Wales Hunter Valley region are strongly believed to have been murder victims of Malat. According to Wayne Gordon, the negotiator, he thinks that it's weird that in each five cases, in each of the five cases, the young women were hitchhiking or walking. to their homes and at the time Malat was working in the Newcastle area with the DMR roads repair gang Oh yeah police said he is also the prime suspect for an eighth unsolved murder that of Peter David Litch Latcher who was 18 years old and he disappeared hitchhiking from Liverpool and his parents Bathurst home in November 1987 so it's in the same time and area that he was killing

He was also questioned in 2003 about his possible involvement in the disappearance of two young nurses from a western Sydney hotel in 1980. These were 20-year-old nurses. They were last seen at 7.30 p.m. on Saturday, June 12, 1980. They were leaving the Tollgate Hotel in Church Street, Parramatta, with a man dressed in dirty work clothes and wearing a floppy black cowboy-style hat, which he is known to wear. Gross.

At the time, Malat was living in his mother's Guildford home and working at the Department of Main Roads Depot at Rose Hill, which is less than two kilometers from the Tollgate Hotel. And it was also a, that was a very popular drinking spot for DMR workers at the time.

Oh. So he definitely could have been there. For sure. So yeah, so that's kind of crazy. Some weird aftermath for this case. His, Michael Malat, who is Ivan's great nephew. And his friend...

That sounds familiar. Well, his friend, he and his friend, Cohen Klein, who they're both 19 years old. They killed 17-year-old David Octorloney in Blanglo-State Forest in 2010. So he was just taken after his uncle. Octor Lonely was hit in the head with an axe. Oh my God. And left close to where some of Ivan's victims were found. That's really fucked up and weird.

There was a cell phone recording of the axe hitting him. No. And it was played in court. Michael told the judge, quote, that's, meaning murder, is what the mallats do. What the fuck? Michael received 43 years in prison while Klein received 32 years. So apparently it is in the family. Yeah.

Isn't that fucked up? Yeah. Yeah. So that's Ivan Malat. That's fun, right? Yeah, that's fun. So. Yeah.

Ash is still processing. Yeah, I am. So that's Ivan Malat. So the next case we're just going to hit real quick. We're going to hit one more case tonight. It's going to be kind of a doozy. It's a hell of doozy. This one's a rough one.

But I think it's important because it's a very fascinating case and a very awful case. This is the murder of Anita Cobby. So I'm sure a lot of people from Australia will know this case because it's like a really intense one. Anita Cobby was a teen beauty pageant winner. She was on the trajectory for a successful. modeling career, but instead she decided to pursue nursing because she wanted to help people. Not so humble. So she became a nurse. She had no known enemies and wasn't involved with drugs or like the party scene. She wasn't a drinker. And the year before her murder, she had just separated from

her husband, John Cobby. How old was she? She was 26 years old at the time of her murder. She had just moved back in with her parents because she had separated from her husband and she had basically just taken to her job as a nurse. She was really dedicated long hours and she was working at the Sydney Hospital. She and John at the time

of her murder were attempting to reconcile again. Oh, that's awful. Now, after finishing her shift on the afternoon of February 2nd, 1986, Cabi and two friends from the hospital changed out of their uniforms and went to a restaurant called

the Red Fern for dinner. Now, one of the nurses dropped Cobby off at Central Station just before 9 p.m. that night so she could catch a train back home where her parents lived. Her parents were Gary and Gracie Lynch and they lived in Blacktown.

Now, her usual practice when she got to the station, because she would take this home all the time, her usual practice was to call her dad from the station and he would pick her up. Now, because she often stayed at friends places in the city or if she had to pull a double shift, you know, but she had told him that night that she was going to be having dinner with friends. So when she didn't call him, he didn't really think a lot of it because he was like, oh, she must be working late or she's staying with her friends. And she was 26.

Exactly. She's like a teenager who just did, you know. Now, when the staff from Sydney Hospital called her father the following morning asking, if they knew why Anita didn't come to work, he immediately began to worry, obviously. Well, it makes my heart hurt. So when there was no word from Anita by that afternoon, he panicked and he immediately filed a missing person's report.

So what we know is that she did catch the 9-12 p.m. train from to Blacktown in outer western Sydney. Now, when she arrived at Blacktown Station, it was just before 10 p.m. Mm-hmm. So at that time, she had gone to find a phone at the station to call her dad. She was going to call her dad. When she got there, somebody had vandalized the phone, so it didn't work. So she was like, okay, it's a nice summer night. I'm going to walk home.

How far was the walk? I don't think it was crazy far. I'm not sure how far, but it was not something that would have been like, oh, shit, I have to walk home. I think it's like, oh, I'll just take a nice walk home. So as she did Oh my God A dirty white Tannish car

Slowed beside her and stopped This like stresses me out so badly Two of the five men That were in that car Jumped out and grabbed her Oh my God Pulling her into the car As she screamed and fought like hell

To get away from them Oh my God oh my God Now witnesses heard her Saw this happen A lot of them tried to stop it Like got in their car or they were like running after the car. Oh my God, this is stressing me how to stop on.

And they called the police and they like reported this, but there wasn't a lot, you know, they didn't catch them. So it was like nobody knew what to do. So they were looking for this vehicle. So in the car, they stripped off her clothing immediately and repeatedly punched, beat and raped her in the car. Oh. They pulled into a gas station at one point because they were running out of gas or petrol,

as it's called down there. Petrol. And they stole 15. from her purse to pay for the gas. Fuck you guys. Right? Like, doesn't I just fucking piss you off? Like, seriously?

Now, if we found out later, and I'll mention it again later, that this car was stolen. Oh. Yeah. So Anita was brutally beaten, raped, and tortured before having her throat cut to end her life. Oh, my God. So severe

was this cut that it literally almost left her decapitated. So they cut it so deep And didn't you say that she was alive when they did it? Yeah, she was alive when it happened. So, it's just so awful. Her bloodied naked body was left in a secluded cow paddock at prospect, not far from Blacktown. And it wasn't discovered for two days.

So the way it was discovered, it was by, now this was in a cow paddock, which is like a little cow area on a dairy farm. This is one of the most horrifying things ever. Yeah, it really is. Like, I'm processing this as you continue to talk. Luckily, I guess there's like a good ending because they find, like, spoiler alert, they find who did this. I hope they all got the shit kicked out of them so fucking badly in jail. Because she was found by the dairy farmer who owned the farm named John Rine on February 4th. So at around 9.30 a.m. that morning, he saw that his cows were like gathering in an area.

And he was like, what the fuck? But he didn't go to check because he was like, oh, whatever, cows are weird. Were they, like, around her? They were. And he said they were gathered in an area he referred to as the boiler paddock. And he kind of found it odd. But he was like, all right, he went to a cattle sale. Like, he just had to go so he was like, bye.

So he returned home two hours later, and the cows were in the same spot. So he was like, okay, what the fuck are they doing? So he was like, uh, guys, what are you doing? So he approached them. And that's when he saw the battered and bruised body of Anita Cobby, lying on her stomach. And he immediately called the police in the panic. Oh, my fucking God.

Now, huge bruises covered this woman's entire body. She had several broken bones, including her shoulders and fingers. She was naked except for her very unique wedding ring. Oh, no. It was a rushing wedding band that had three interlocking bands of yellow, gold, white gold, and rose gold. Oh, my God. Which is super unique. I was surprised they didn't steal that.

I know, right? I don't think that's... That's what they were there for. They were there to rape her and kill her. That's all they wanted. Fuck them. Right. And there were signs that she had defensive wounds.

So it points to her fighting for her life. Now, autopsy results would find that she was still alive when her throat was slipped. When her body was found, people went fucking insane. The New South Wales government posted a $50,000 reward for any information leading to an arrest. and in the hope of like getting people to remember that night and maybe hopefully be like oh shit I saw her and I saw these guys a police officer a woman police officer actually dressed like Cobby and traveled the exact path that she traveled someone's memory just to see if somebody's like oh shit and I remember seeing her and I think they recorded it wow so they like played it so

everybody could see what a brilliant tactic and while this was going on her colleagues interviewed people around her being like, did you remember seeing someone looking like, which is so fucking brilliant. I'm like, yeah, Australia. Like, damn. Ain't good for her. It seems like Australia has their shit together.

When it comes to, like, investigations and shit, I'm like, yeah, they have their shit together. They have to because of all the murder. American serial killer stories, you're like, guys, and the cops just stop around. It just seems like it's like shit. But, so obviously, the whole of Australia was outraged.

Of course. They were flipping out. even the police that were investigating said that they were like fucked up over this like they said finding her was one of the most brutal shit they've ever seen in their careers oh my god the investigation was led by detective sergeant ian kennedy and detective sergeant graham rosetta and kennedy was like the lead now kennedy stated what struck him most were her eyes when he found her he said quote the look in that girl's eyes i will never forget those dead eyes. You could see she had gone through hell. You could see it.

Stop. That hurts right. Everything. Now, when the news was brought to Anita's family, like her whole family was there. They brought her ex or, well, her separated her strange husband, John Cobby. They brought them all together and they basically asked if who they needed someone to identify the body. Oh, oh, oh. Like they needed, they were like somebody needs to come to the morgan identify.

And the mother was like, I literally can't. No. Like I cannot see her. And so the father stepped up and was like, I'll do it. Like somebody has to do it. And so he went with her sister's husband. So her sister's husband went with him. When the sheet was pulled back at the morgue, it was said that he almost, like, his knees

buckled and they had to like catch him. And when he finally got himself together, he said, quote, I wish I could say it was someone else's daughter, but it's not, is it? Oh. Yeah. I feel like I'm going to cry. Oh, my God. No, this one like gets me because it's like...

That's someone's kid. I can't imagine them pulling a sheep back and it's your kid. I don't even know, like, I can't even. So at first, I mean, the obvious way to go is to look at her husband, her strange husband, John Cobby. Yeah, especially because they were strange. And she had obviously been recently separated from him, and, you know, the husband always and always did it. So it's kind of always the first thing like shit.

So they interrogated it. They brought him to the station. They interrogated him for a long time. They kind of started out slow, like, just asking about the separation, asking about this. And then they were like, where the fuck were you that night? And like, what was this? What he had like, obviously an alibi?

So at one point he was pushed against a wall and accused of murdering his wife. Jesus. Like it just happened. And then at that point, he said, I must have done it. And basically what they found out was, because what happened later was, because what happened later was he was so devastated by this and did they just break them down well they found out that he probably said that because he said i must have done it because i wasn't there to protect her so i must have done it like this is my fault like yeah because he didn't do it and the thing is it was pretty

clear from the autopsy report that this was definitely not a crime of passion oh and how could one person and that one person had not done this yeah they were like no this no way and this didn't have a crime of passion feel to it and I mean although like like I think they were focusing a little on him because after the separation he became kind of like obsessively trying to get her back right it seemed like he would do anything to get her back and like her co-workers were saying he called a lot and he was very like kind of like but it was just but it was just love yeah it's just so they were like he's not dangerous he's just and it's really sad because after all of this he ended up moving out of australia to the states at one point just to get away from it all. And like he's still to this day. And he got into like drugs and

alcohol really bad because just to cope. And to this day, he doesn't know the names of the people who did it because he doesn't want to know because he doesn't want to know. Yeah, like he literally doesn't want to know. And it's like so sad. The state governments then announced that the $50,000 reward was going to be doubled to $100,000. Good. They really wanted information. Now a week after Cobby's body was found, an informant came forward and said, hey, you should look at these people. Who was it? Now, these people were 19-year-olds, John Travers and Michael Murdoch, and the Murphy brothers, who were 33-year-old Michael Murphy, 28-year-old Gary Murphy, and 22-year-old Leslie Murphy. Now, it took just under three weeks for police to track them down, arrest them, and charge them with

murder. Holy cow. Like, fuck. Yeah, Australia. That's fast. Yeah, this case was done. Like, they did a really good job with this. Now, all these guys came from pretty fucked up backgrounds, and they were all of below average intelligence. Well, fuck them out there. And, and I don't mean below average intelligence, like, they had that as an excuse. Oh, no, I know. They were below enough to be considered not understanding what happened. Like, they were just dumb as fuck basically like they were assholes who were also dumb so john travers was 19 years old he was the leader which is funny that's weird because there's a 33 year old a 28 year old and a 22 year old um but he was really fucked up like he was a fucked up kid he was accused on his 18th birthday of

raping his sheep and cutting its throat while he was doing it and then he cooked the sheep and ate it And later, when the police asked him about this when they arrested him, he literally was like, you got to eat. What? Yeah. So. But you don't have to rape a sheep. According to him, you do, apparently. Ew, what the fuck?

Now, he had been accused of stealing a car that matched the description of the one that abducted Anita. Oh, my God. I just literally want to go to jail and punch all of them in the face. Well, this is the crazy thing. So while Travers was in custody, it was learned that he was really close to one of his. aunts who was his like blood uncle's wife. Okay. Now, I'm not going to name her because she is in the witness protection program now.

I'm just going to call her aunt X. So she approached investigators saying that she had been having trouble sleeping. She was really messed up about this because she knew John was to blame. Oh, my God. Now. Can you imagine? Yeah. And when she came to them, she was like, I just can't handle this.

Like, I know he did it. And so they convinced her, which is bananas, they convinced her to wear a wire and get a confession from him. So her husband, who was John's blood uncle, actually, like they went to him to because she was like, we need to talk to him because this is his nephew. Like we need to at least tell him what's going to happen here. And his uncle was like, I totally agreed that this was the right thing to do. And he also convinced her like, you're doing the right. thing. Like, don't think that you're doing something against me. Obviously, she was brutally murdered,

but, like, that is a hard decision to come to. Oh, yeah. Just throw, like. Absolutely. Wow. And so she wore the wire in her bra. Oh, my God. Yeah. Crazy. And when she started talking to John Travers, he opened right up to her. And he was so fucking stupid. And he even named all the other suspects as being involved. Like, he just gave her everything. And they actually, just released recently the confession tapes, like some of the clips. Basically, he's just like, yeah, like she saw us. So I had to cut her. So he's gross. Yeah. So, like, maybe just don't fucking do that. You wouldn't have to kill someone. Aunt X here had to do stand there and listen to all of that. And just take this like it's normal. Like they told her just talk to him like normal. Okay, but that's not

normal. How do you even react to that? And some of the police even said while they were watching her talk to him because she was talking to him. Is she like? She was in the police station. They said she was like trembling and like clearly very upset by this. And they, so even with that, she agreed to wear another wire to get Michael Murdoch to confess as well. Wow. And so she's a badass. I was going to say, what a badass, bitch.

Like she's courageous as fuck. Now he confessed completely too. Like he, he was a little like, he was less so than Travers willing to talk. But eventually. He gave enough. Like, he gave what they needed. Now, the trials were a huge security risk because mobs and mobs of people waited outside because they literally wanted to rip these people apart.

I hope they got shit, like, thrown at them. I'm sure they did. There was a dummy dangling from a noose that was tied to a tree branch. Good. And some held, like, like, signs that were literally saying we want to restore the death penalty for them. Like, they were like, this is so and then some that were showing solidarity with cobi like wore their police their nurse

uniforms oh my god yeah so i just gave me chills i know now these tapes along with the fact that travers shocked everyone and pleaded guilty to everything which no one really thought he would this led to the convictions of all five of them good they all tried to blame the other people and they all basically blamed travers saying that he had the knife and he did it like we were just they're raping her. Would she have died regardless though because of all her wounds or no? I don't think she, I mean it's hard to say. I don't, it's hard to say.

She could have survived. If no one found her for two days, she might have. Because she might not have been able to bring her self. Because there was also evidence and they confess to this that she was dragged through a barbed wire fence. So she might, yeah. There's an autopsy report somewhere out there that people, that is said to be like the most

I don't even know. Seeing the injuries is like the worst thing you've ever heard. And despite them trying to all blame Travers, they all got life in prison. Good. And all of their files for imprisonment were marked never to be

released. And the judge made it clear in the sentencing. Like I am recommending that you all be marked never to be released. Like I don't want to hear your fucking plea for a parole bargain. It's crazy. And then An even weirder thing with this one is that Gary Murphy, one of the Murphy brothers, his defense attorney, who was a woman named Lee Johnson, she had got like a reputation during this trial. She was very sweet to Gary.

Gross. It seemed to be way too much. Basically, people thought she was sleeping with him. Ew. What the fuck? And there was a story that I heard actually on the. the podcast case file, which is a great podcast. It isn't to it. You really should. It's this like Australian guy who has a very soothing voice, and he's so detailed and very

well researched, and he's very respectful, and he has just a great podcast, so go case file. But I actually heard this on there that there was a story where one of the investigators came into the courtroom one day, and she had placed chocolate eggs on the defense table, and they were like, what the fuck is that? And she was like, well, it's Easter time. They should, it was just for the boys. Oh, the murderous motherfuckers who slaughtered human? The investigator went and smashed all the chocolate eggs and was like, you can't have those in the courtroom.

And then smashed her fucking stupid face in. Like, ridiculous. And I was reading an article that she was interviewed for recently, I think, in, like, February 2016, where she was like, everyone just said. that we were sleeping together because I'm a woman. And that's it. And it's like, no, I think it's because you brought him chocolate eggs. Like, maybe that was really thing.

Ew, what the fuck? So that's just a weird story. I've said what the fuck so many times throughout this entire podcast today. So that's just like a quick overview of the case. I didn't want to go into too much because this is a really rough case. It's horrible. But yeah. So, yeah, Australia.

You did the damn thing. You do it. And again. That's the case of Anita Cabi. And I'm really glad that they found those fuckers and that they're never going to be released. I need like a drink. I know. I know.

You have some Bailey's downstairs? I'm saying. And again, we're going to cover some more cases because narrowing this down was really tough. But I wanted to get a little into both the cases. I didn't want to just quickly review both of them. So we could only do two today. But we'll definitely do more on a future episode of Australian Madness. I only have the brilliant for two tonight.

Because I want to cover the... Snowtown murders. The bodies and the barrels murders. Oh, God. It's a crazy one. But that one needs an episode by itself. So we will cover Snowtown, which I'm sure some of you were wondering about. And, yeah, I think next week, I think we're going to do like a little bit of a departure.

And I think we're going to do an episode where we're just going to talk about crazy-ass medieval torture methods. Whoa. Because those things are crazy. So I think we're going to do that next week, so look forward to that. Yeah. And then we'll come right back around to serial killers. Maybe we'll hit a big guy. Heavy hitter?

Maybe we'll hit a heavy hitter. Who do you think we want to do? Let's give them a small hint. Maybe we'll hit somebody who works at night. Works at night. And maybe had bad breath. Stinky motherfucker. Maybe smelled like wet leather.

and maybe light star shapes on his palms. Yeah. Maybe we'll hit someone like that after our medieval torture episode. Perhaps. I don't know. I don't know. You decide.

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