Morbid - Brenda Ann Spencer Mini Morbid

Episode Date: September 2, 2019

Mondays don't rank high on everyone's list but in 1979 Brenda Ann Spencer took this cliche to a horrifically violent place. With 2 dead and 9 injured, she had one simple reason for her rampage; "I just don't like Mondays".  This episode is sponsored by: Embr Wave! Visit Embrwave.com and enter our code MORBID for $50 off your amazing Embr Wave bracelet. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Do it. And I think that's really all the business that we have to talk about right now. Because this is a mini-morbid. It was a fun introduction, wasn't it? It was. It was great. Everybody loved it. I know it. I'm going to take you down about five pegs. Cool. Because tonight, I thought that I would dive into an infamous case of the Mondays for you. Oh.

And I think you know where I'm headed. I know exactly where you're headed. All right, guys. On January 29th, 1979, after shooting into an elementary school across from her home, 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer was asked why she had committed such an act. And I don't love her answer. She left everyone with the haunting reply. I just don't like Mondays.

And then she added, it just livens up the day. I mean, none of us like Mondays. You know what? I fucking actually love Mondays. Well, I love them now because I get to hang out with you. Oh, that's sweet. I have Mondays off, so I actually hate Tuesdays. Well, there you go.

But if you don't love a day, just go get, like, a latte. Just slam dunk a pumpkin. Slam dunk a pumpkin. Do anything but what Brenda did. Yeah, don't do what Brenda did. So a few hours before giving that interview, which was given over the phone, and I'll get into that later. Brenda had asked her dad if she could stay home from school that morning

because she wasn't feeling well. Typical. Yeah, right, Brenda. He said, yeah, sure, whatever. And he left for work around 7 a.m. Brenda claims that she was suicidal under the influence of pot, alcohol, and other downers at the time. That's a morning.

Yeah. And you're like, girl, it's 7 a. Yeah, you're like, a dude, it's very early. And around 8.30 a.m. The kids were starting to arrive for school at the Cleveland Elementary. And we're lining up to go inside. These are like babies. And how it worked is there was like a gate and the principal would come outside and undo the, like, unlock the gate.

And all the kids would like start to roll into class. Okay. So they were starting to do this. And directly across the street, Brenda was loading a 22 caliber rifle. Oh my God. And began shooting into the crowd of the kids. I can't imagine. No.

What kind of mindset you have to have to do that? I don't, I will never be able to wrap my head around this case because it's a fucking conundrum. Well, it makes me think of Newtown. It does. And that, still to this day, my brain doesn't compute. It doesn't, I just can't. That any human being could do that. I don't understand.

It's like you're like not a human being. I don't get it at all. Innocent little babies, just going to school. So the principal of the school heard all the gunshots like happening. Probably had no idea where it was coming from. No, didn't realize where it was coming from and just ran outside trying to protect the kids. He was like literally like shielding the children. And he ended up getting shot.

I believe in the chest and he unfortunately died. Oh, he did? He died, yep. And then the custodian of the school named Michael Suchar, I believe is how you say the last name. he was known as Mr. Mike to the kids and he also ran out to help because he saw, I'm pretty sure he saw the principal go down. Yeah.

Ran out to help the kids and was also shot and killed. Oh my God. Brenda managed to shoot and injure eight children. Luckily, none of the children were killed. Oh, thank goodness. But seriously, the fact that those two dudes died, like protecting kids, like a custodian and a principal, not law enforcement officers, like, just threw themselves in front of kids.

It's like, oh. It's so sad. It just hurts my soul. And so then obviously police start coming on the scene and it's like what the fuck is happening here. And she shot one of the responding officers in the neck. Oh my God. Yeah.

Brenda. And he lived. Brenda. Yeah. Fucking crazy. So finally a police officer was able to drive actually a trash truck in front of Brenda's home to put an end to the shooting. It was like a barricade almost.

She. all and all fired 36 rounds. Holy shit. All and all. That's crazy. Oh my God. It's literally like a rifle. Wasn't she's...

Wasn't she just like sitting on her couch like aiming out the window? Yeah, she was aiming really outside the window. Yeah, I felt like I remembered seeing like a documentary a long time ago about this. Oh my God. It's so like she, and it just seems so casual. She was just like hanging out. And when she finally does come out, like just like what she's wearing is like, it's just like a casual outfit, but it's also like a scary.

I don't know if that makes sense to anybody. Yeah, because it's just like, it's so casual. It's scary. And she, I'm so sorry to say this, but she is one of the most terrifying. Actually, I'm not sorry to say it. She's one of the most terrifying. Oh, no, she definitely is. Yeah.

Like, photos of her are horrifying. She, there's like video footage of her being taken away and then there's like some, I watched like some trials and stuff like that. And her eyes are just so empty. I've never seen empty your eyes. She literally has dead eyes. It's crazy. So, after.

firing 36 rounds into the school. She locked all the doors and windows in her house and barricaded herself inside. So obviously SWAT teams were called. And they were given the okay to kill her, like if need be. Good. Like they were given the green light on that. So Officer Paul Olson was the primary negotiator in this whole case. And he had to speak on the phone with Brenda for like hours and hours.

Negotiators fascinate me. I don't understand how to negotiate at Mind Hunter. You have to be a specific kind of brain. I can't imagine. Especially in a case like this, they were negotiating with her for over six hours. Oh, my God. This started at obviously, like, right around 8.30 and didn't end until close to like three o'clock.

Oh, my God. Or like a little after three o'clock. That's crazy. How do you hang on to your sanity to do that? I have no idea. Well, he apparently offered her a Burger King Whopper if she were to come outside. That'll do it. I read that in one of the articles.

And I was like, Fun fact. I really hate that. Yeah. I liked Woppers. I used to like Woppers. I used to love Woppers and hate them now. Yeah.

She told him all kinds of things while she was on the phone with him because remember, she's like apparently like on drugs and like drunk or whatever. Well, and he's probably a good negotiator and good negotiators can get you to talk. People to do that. Right. So she told him all kinds of things. She said that this is horrible. Trigger warning.

She said the victims looked like a herd of cows for gathering. around those that she'd already shot and it made them easy pickings. Oh my God. Meaning like the ones that would fall down that she would shoot, they'd all gather around them and they were like, she was like, cool, I can shoot more. Yeah. And she there was, I don't know the exact quote. I didn't write it down, but she was like, it was fun to watch them like run around,

like especially the ones in the red and the blue coats because they were like easier targets. I want to ring this girl's neck with my bare hands. I literally want to punch her in the face. I literally want to ring her neck. It's so messed up. So like I said, after close to six and a half hours of negotiating, Brenda surrendered herself and was immediately taken into custody. Bye, Brenda. Bye, bitch.

When police searched the home, it got dark, darker, if possible. I was going to say, it got dark. Yeah. They found tons of empty bottles of liquor spread on the floor around the mattress that Brenda slept on with her father. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no. with hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

So just kind of like to go into Brenda's background a little bit in like her home life. Yeah, I'm going to need that. Yeah. Brenda's mother didn't really seem to be super involved with her life. And her father actually ignored advice from psychological professionals who recommended that Brenda spend time in a psychiatric ward. I'm shocked. Yeah. They told him that her behavior at school showed serious suicidal tendencies.

Her classmates remember that she was really. really introverted, like she did not talk to anybody. And one kid said that she was kind of crummy looking. Kind of crummy looking? Kind of crummy looking. What a way to describe someone? Well, this was like in the 70s. So it's like, you're just looking crummy, bro.

I mean, she was crummy looking. You're looking crummy, bro. I don't know. You look like shit, Brenda. Pretty crummy on. She just like apparently didn't talk to anybody, like, didn't interact with people. Yeah. And she just looked like a bummer.

Oh, yeah. And the pictures, you were like, I'm bummed out just looking at you. The bummies. Because she looked miserable. Yeah. She, like, teachers would be like, hello, Brenda, are you awake? Like, oh, so she was just like in another. Totally in like another fucked up universe.

Just totally zoned out. Yeah. That same year that they told him, like, you know, dude, like she's got suicidal tendencies. Like, she's just, there's something going on here and she needs help. Yeah. She burglarized that school that she shot into and also shot out some of the windows with a BB gun because she didn't have a gun yet. That's probably fine, though.

Yeah. It's not like a. That's normal kids stuff, right? Burglarizing a school and then shooting out windows with any gun you can find. It's totally normal. Yeah, that's fine. I did that growing up all the time. Escalation probably won't happen.

Yeah, no, definitely not. Don't take care of it. So he still said no to her getting help. And then for some reason, also thought it was a good idea to give her a rifle for Christmas. I can totally see why. So the rifle that she used to shoot into an elementary school was given to her by her father. For Christmas. For Christmas.

And if that's not bad enough already, she just asked for a radio. Like, dude. She asked for a radio for Christmas and instead got a rifle. Give her a radio. Like, give her a radio, sir. What? And when asked about that later, this is actually really sad and fucked up. Brenda said that maybe it was so that she could kill herself and get on with it.

Wow. Yeah. So she felt like that was like a message because it had been a little while of her kind of being in this place where like people like teachers and like school psychiatrists were concerned but her dad wasn't so he was like maybe that's what he was doing like maybe he was just be like get on with it like just do it. That's weirdly sad. This case is weirdly sad. This is clearly a nurture situation. 100%. And actually I'll tell you at the end I watched a documentary and the whole thing was like super sad. But it's really good

because it's like you get the inside scoop. Yeah, you get the whole picture. Because sometimes you need the whole picture. It's super old though, so it's like funny, not funny to watch, but you know what I mean? Yeah, like just silly. Yeah. Brenda has many claims as to what happened in her life in general and also as to what happened the morning of the shooting.

So one claim she made was that she was watching TV and she began hallucinating. She said that she'd been drinking heavily the entire week leading up to and on the day of the shooting. Damn. That morning, she drank whiskey, took pills,

and said that she had smoked weed that was laced with PCP. What? I have to wonder, like, especially, like, with the whiskey and, like, alcohol and stuff, it's like, how were you able to even function enough to do that? It's very... I mean, again, I'm not a... I don't shoot guns, so I don't know, like... I don't either.

I just feel like it would impair you too much to... I did watch. In this documentary that I actually talked about, it's like one of the easiest guns to shoot is the one that she had. Oh, okay. It has barely any kickback. Oh, okay. Which I don't know much about guns, but that's just like, I think when you pull the trigger. Yeah.

Like, kind of like fix you back. Like, I have, like, shot a gun before and like it will like kick back into your shoulder. Yeah. Forcefully. So this guy actually in the documentary shows, like, he shoots the gun and shows you and it barely moves back at all. Oh, okay. And it's like very like lightweight. It's kind of like one.

It's kind of like the. The one from a Christmas story, probably. Probably. Like, and I'm not trying to be funny. I really mean, like, that little, like, easy to shoot rifle. Yeah. Okay. Like, it looked very, very easy.

Yeah. Unfortunately. But, so, yeah, she said that she was drinking whiskey, took pills and was smoking PCP-laced weed, which, like, all... One of those things alone would make you, like, like, drinking whiskey at 8.30 in the morning. Yeah, that's a lot. And then to take pills and then to smoke weed, but also have it be laced with... Like, BZP, like, what is happening? Jesus.

And so in this one, like, version of events, she said that she looked at the window and saw combat outside, and that's when she begins shooting. Yeah, I don't believe her. Which it's like, I don't believe her. I think that's a bunch of bullshit to try to get her out of this. Yeah. Especially when she makes comments later that is like,

I liked watching the little ones run around. It's like, oh, really, the combat? Yeah, is that what you're talking about? Well, so that she said that, that day, like on the phone while she was on the phone for six hours. But after that, she, like, any time after she was interviewed, she said that she, like, didn't have any recollection, which is so convenient. And that's why it makes more sense that she's a bullshitter because on the phone she's

sitting there being like, yeah, it's fun to pick these little kids off. It's funny. And then when she gets caught and is put somewhere, she's like, I don't remember. Guys, I saw combat outside. It's like, no, you little bitch. When you were under the influence, you told the truth. You saw little kids. Yeah.

Well, that's the thing you didn't say anything about combat. You didn't say anything about combat. If somebody was having like PTSD or something like that and God forbid something like this happened and there was a call, that that's what they would be saying. Exactly. Because she'd be still under the influence of it. So she'd be still in that zone of like I see combat. That's why I'm shooting.

And that's just like fucked up. No, she's a bullshitter. Also in 2001, this is really fucked up and super, super sad. Oh. Brenda claimed that her father had been sexually molesting her. Oh, I was worried about that, especially when you mentioned the mattress. The mattress. And she was so depressed and suicidal in the morning of the shooting that in her mind, this is what I think is actually the truth.

The shooting would lead to the police eventually shooting her and putting an end to her life. Yeah, that I could definitely. I think that she wanted to do something, like super fucked up because she was mad at society. And go down in like a blaze of fire. Yeah, exactly. Like I think her end goal was to get shot and die. But when, oh, there's so many dark moments in this. Yeah, this case is brutal.

Because you're just like, fuck you, Brenda. You're a fucking monster. And then you hear that stuff and you're like, God, you're still a monster, but like you were created that way. I don't know. It's too much. It's awful. I feel too many things.

Although her father denies any claims of sexual abuse toward Brenda. It is interesting to note that he did go on to Mary and have a child with a woman who looked so much like Brenda that the detective called her lawyer and was like, how is Brenda out of jail? Like, why is Brenda out and walking? What the fuck is going on? Oh, yeah, that's not okay.

And if that's not bad enough, he married this woman within a year of Brenda going to jail and he knew her because she was Brenda's former cellmate. No, no, I definitely believe Brenda on that situation. I'm not going to lie. She was also a year younger than Brenda. Okay.

Yeah. I would say that all signs are pointing to Brenda's telling the truth about that, unfortunately. So they had a child together, and eventually this woman left Wallace Spencer, but left her child with him too. So that's Brenda's half-sister. And her stepmom is younger than she is. What the actual fuck. And Brenda's mother said that she had suspicions about sexual abuse, but never acted on them because she couldn't afford an attorney. Oh, bitch, please.

Yeah. She was a very absentee mother, it seems. What an absolute piece of garbage. Yeah. And Brenda said that her, they're like a strange, they haven't talked in like, Yeah, she's a garbage person. Like, in forever. You suspect somebody is literally, is hurting your child. And you're like, well, I don't have the money for an attorney, so I'm not going to do anything.

Yeah. Are you kidding me? And Brenda said like her, because she had two older siblings. That's all I know. That's all there is to know. but they would go over there like after school, Bernice had and her, like, it seemed like her mom just, like, didn't really care that they were there. That's awful. That makes me so sad.

Yeah. This, this, like, home, like, and the way she was brought up seems to be, like, very sad. That's the thing. And just lacking in so much. And then, like, over and. It just bums me. Like, honestly, like, neglect bums me out just as much as, like, abuse can. It's sad.

Well, and in this case, there's neglect and abuse. Yeah. like, I just, well, you just think of like, how do you neglect a kid? I don't understand that. I really don't. I really don't. I really don't. I decided to bring into the world. Like, I don't understand that. All a kid wants from you is just like you to take care of them. Right. That's it. And that's what you brought them here for. Yeah. Like, why did you do? You don't have to do this. You don't have to have kids. No one told you. Nobody has to. I promise you. Don't. It still fucks me up, though, that he fucking went on to marry her former cellmate who looked just like her.

to the point where someone was like, why is Brenda out of jail? Like, how did this happen? Yeah, that is a big red flag. Yeah. Oh, and also, he still lived in the house after the shooting. He didn't leave the house. That does not shock me at all. Like, what?

Because there's, like, so much wrong. There's so much wrong. There's just a giant pile of nope all over this. And he claims that they shared a bedroom but had separate beds, but like in the police things, like everything I read said that there was a single mattress in the living room. Oh. Like it wasn't even a bedroom. It was like a living room.

And obviously there was something fucking going on where there was like empty bottles of liquor every. Yeah, exactly. She didn't drink all of those that day. No. And it's like so you're living in filth. Yeah. So there's just too much here that you're just that like isn't clear that. So unclear.

But just any thoughts that you can give it, you're like. I hate it, hate it, hate it. Yeah, it just takes you down a really bad path. Yeah. So during her time in prison, Brenda has undergone psychological testing, which did reveal an injury to her temporal lobe, which could actually explain why she's epileptic. And she has to take medicine to avoid, like, having seizures. Oh, so she is epileptic. She is.

And apparently epilepsy is two to four times more common among violent offenders than it is among the public. That makes sense. So I went into like this deep dive of like what your temporal lobe does. Ooh. I went Elena on the game. You went Elena on this. And it's all like because there's like separate sides obviously. And like one side is all about like understanding wrong from right and like and like

logic and rational thinking. It's crazy. And then the other side is like talking and like movement and like cohesive like understanding of everything. And if there was in fact and there was it was proven that there was something wrong with that's interesting. It's like that can lead to it. Oh, for sure.

It's like when people have damage to their frontal lobes. That can affect their reasoning and knowing right from wrong and all that good stuff. Yeah. That's interesting. I wonder how she got an... She apparently fell off her bike and like her head. Oh, okay. Wasn't wearing a helmet.

Where helmets, guys. Well, actually, no, it was probably the 70s because she was only 16 when this happened. I keep forgetting that she was only 16 when this happened. Yeah, because it seems like she should be like 40. Literally. Or just like, it should be all a nightmare. Or I was going to say, or it should just not exist at all as a case. Also, this is, I don't, not like funny, but it's interesting to me. She had a, she got a tattoo in prison that was brought up at one of her parole hearings.

So it's like, it's just weird that it was brought up at her parole hearing. She had been romantically involved with someone in jail. And when it went badly, she got a tattoo on her chest that some people think says pride and courage. and everyone was like, why did you get pride and courage tattooed on your chest? Like a piece of shit. Like neither one of those things ever applied to you or ever will apply to you in your existence. And then this is really sad if this is true. Because when the parole commissioner asked her about it,

she told him that it was written in runes, I think is what she said. So, and she thinks it was done wrong. But what it was supposed to say was unforgiven and alone. Wow. Yeah. I feel like... When she said that, like, I got like chills. Like, it was this...

It's just, like, sad. Like, this case is so sad in so many different ways. Because obviously what she did is fucking horrible. And, like, there's no excuse for that. But also, she was, like, a neglected child and was clearly going through some serious mental health shit that no one would help her with. It's so conf- I'm so conflicted in so many ways. Me too. So many levels of this.

Don't get me wrong. I am not. fucking excusing what this girl did at all, like in any way, shape, or form. Well, then sometimes I'm like, yeah, I believe what she's saying. And then sometimes I'm like, I think you're a bullshitter. Yeah. Like things like that when she's like, it was written wrong and it was supposed to say that. I'm like, I don't know.

I think you're a bullshitter. I think you're trying to make people feel bad for you. I definitely can see that. And like, I see that side. But also just like seeing her say it, she does seem. And those people are so fucking good at manipulating. Well, that's the thing. But she does seem very sincere.

Yeah. And she could be. And yeah, it's just, you don't know. I don't know if she just, I don't know. Yeah. So all of Brenda's parole attempts have been unsuccessful. But she actually is another one this year, 2019. Yeah.

Stay in there, Brenda. Seriously. The victims of the shooting who lived and the family members of those who did not have been outspoken and don't want her paroled, obviously. Good. That's so crazy. I forgot that those kids are now adults. Yeah. Well, I'm going to talk about them a little bit.

Because that's crazy. So first I want to talk about the deceased family members. Oh, yeah. So Wilfred Suchar, who's Michael Suchar's son, he was the custodian. Okay. He once asked, my question is, will there ever be another boring Monday for her? Which is like, I just got chills saying. I was just going to say, I was like, ooh.

It's like let her out and like, will she have another boring Monday? It's true. She hates Mondays. There's a Monday every week. Yeah. We can't let her out. No. What are we going to do?

get rid of fucking Mondays. Exactly. Like, you don't know what, and it sounds like, it sounds like, oh, like, you know, she hates Mondays, that sucks. And it's like, but for real, she used that, that was her excuse. Yeah. There's Mondays every week. You can't chance that. And she's suddenly going to be like, you know what, this Monday sucks.

Right. And it's just like that statement in and of itself is so haunting. So cold. So callous. Yeah. So cold. So callous. So evil. And it's just like, I shot all those kids because I don't like this day of the week. Yeah. I shot babies. because I was bored. And killed two grown men.

Yeah. Trying to save babies. And shot a police officer in the neck and ruined his career. He, like, couldn't. Of course not. recover. Yeah. Wow.

That's a great way of putting that point out there. And it's just so simple, but so, like, not simple all at the same time. Whoa. Like, will there ever be another boring Monday for her? I was like, who. Like, hope not. Like, you can't take that chance. Yeah.

Principal Burton Wagg's daughter said, people have told me that I look like him, act like him, and my kids are the spinning image of him. When the kids hear this, they can't possibly relate to such sentiments because they never met their grandfather, and they know that they never will, because I've told them over and over again that he's dead, that he was murdered by Brenda Spencer. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's like. And he was murdered protecting his students. That, like, so honorable.

Like, the feels. I know. Because it's like, that's, because you, it's. it's so weird to think of it this way, but it's like you would hope that your kids are in school with people who would. Who would do that for them? Absolutely. But like you would never expect someone to.

No. You always think like, I hope that. You know what I mean? Like I hope these people love these kids so much. And to know that is like, when a time like that happens, it's like you don't know how someone's going to.

Yeah. That's not your. Fight or flight. It's like. That's not your kid at the end of the day. No. Like that guy acted like all of those kids were like his flesh and butt and blood. Like that.

is like, that's heavy. It really is. Crystal Hardy is one of the kids that was shot. And then obviously now she's a fucking adult. And she said to this day, she still fears that someone is pointing a gun at her when she's just walking around. Yeah. She's like, I don't, like, I didn't know that that was going to happen to me. I literally arrived into school. Yeah.

And when her boyfriend invited her to the shooting range, she went because she was like, oh, I think it's been long enough. Like, I think I'll be okay. And she broke. Oh, my God. I don't know how she did it. Probably. She broke down uncontrollably and was like sobbing and they had to get out of there right away. Oh, that's so sad.

It was, it had not been long enough. No, it never will be, I don't think. Cam Miller went to a prison hearing and remembered Brenda glaring at him as he walked in. And he said, the look Brenda gave me was enough to scare any young child to death. Fuck you, Brenda. Yeah. And dude, she's like very scary looking. Yeah, and it's like, really you're going to glare at the people that you shot.

Like, fuck you. Rat in prison. So Brenda is still serving her 25 to life sentence in the California Women's Institution and will be up, like I said, for parole again at some point this year. She better stay in there, man. And in case you didn't know, the song I Don't Like Mondays by the Boomtown Rats, it was written by Bob Geldof and it was inspired by Brenda. Oh, damn.

And you know, it's even crazy. I feel like I've heard that before. I didn't realize that I have, but they play it. in the beginning of the documentary that I watched. And I was like, oh, shit. And you're like, that's terrifying. But one of the survivors, Crystal Hardy, in the end of this documentary that I watched,

she is like explaining that she used to work like an afternoon job and they always would play it. It was like super popular on the radio when it came out. And I was like, she was like, I always heard it. And like I was expecting her to be like and it like haunted me forever. And she was like, I think it's a pretty song. I like it. Oh my God.

So, like, she found, like, some kind of, like, solace in it. Because she's, I mean, yeah. I guess, I guess you can look at it. You have to look at it that way or the other way. It's no in between there. No gray area. All, like, the survivors in this case and the family of the people that unfortunately died and were, like, killed by Brenda, the way that they look at this is just, like, amazing.

Yeah, it's like, I don't know how you go long from that. It's insane. And the documentary that I watched, if you guys want to go watch it, is, um, killer woman. Brenda Spencer documentary. I don't like Mondays. You can literally just watch it on YouTube. Yes. I literally just typed in YouTube, Killer Woman, Brenda Spencer,

and it's like the first 47-minute clip that pops up. It's a wicked good documentary. I watched something a long time ago on this, but it was a long time ago, and I don't even remember. So I didn't know any of these, like, details. This case, ma'am. Just like, even, like, the little details of, like, her dad, like, married her cellmate.

Yeah. And then her tattoo are just things that I hadn't heard of before. And I had never heard that. Wow. Yeah. And that, and it makes, and it, like, adds that tattoo thing, like, added to the complexity of it. Because you're like, are you a bullshitter? Or are you?

Yeah. Or are you really this, like, sad damaged? I mean, obviously, she's damaged. But, like, yeah. Are you just a bullshitter or are you evil? Like, it's. I'm going to say that I, I believed she meant to tattoo the, like, unforgiven and alone. Yeah.

And I really, I really think that if she had had psychiatric help, like, maybe this wouldn't have happened. I do believe if this, you know, if this went the way that it's all saying it went, that like all these people were warning her father, telling her father, she needs help. I agree that if she had gone and he had like been a father and actually like nourished her and tried to be like, let's help you. Let's fix this. That I think this would have been avoided. I definitely think so. 100% I really do

Because she was like Yes she was interverted But by all account She did well in school Like she wasn't mean to her classmate She wasn't aggressive Any way before this Other than that time

Where she shut the fucking windows out Which was terrifying Well and it's like She was saying she was like Drinking heavily for like a week before this And it's like nobody noticed that Clearly no one If her father or parents

Or one parent Any guardian Anybody Was putting any eyes on her at any time. There were warning signs. This could have been stopped because it's like, why was she able to drink that heavily for a week before this?

She's 16. Right, exactly. Like something should have been stopped way before this happened. And just, oh my God, like I said earlier, the pictures of her coming out of the house. Oh, she's wearing almost like, like khaki sort ofish. Yes, I remember this picture now. They're like boot cut. And she has the big glasses.

She has big AVV glasses that she's worn literally forever. Yeah. And a beanie. like a black beanie and she has this long stringy red hair and the deadest eyes I have ever seen in my entire existence. She does. Her face is truly just dead. Terrifying. She gave an interview in 1993. You can find the clips on YouTube. It's honestly the interview is kind of boring. But she has a mullet and she still has those huge ass glasses and you're just like, whoa. And you're like, wow, Brenda, that was a choice.

There's a lot that's happened to you. There's a lot of choices happening. Yeah. And the look. So yeah, that was the bummer fucking case of Brenda Ann Spencer. What a bummer that was. Mini, many, mini, morbid.

Many, mini morbid. And now I need to go eat a dessert calzone. Yeah, we need to cleanse the palate. Like literally. Like with a dessert. Genuinely. Literally. Because John doesn't want to give palate cleansers.

He doesn't. I thought he was going to respond. Now he knows because we trapped him in the last episode. He's on to us. We said you won't give palate cleansers, and it's a bummer. I don't know any. We'll give you time. Maybe next episode.

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