Morbid - Dorothea Puente Part 2

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

Dorothea is back back back again and she’s eviler than ever. She’s befriending people only to murder them slowly, she’s pretending to fall inlove with a man from her actual prison cell only to murder him and throw him in a river bank. BUT have no fear because this woman does get caught, and she gets got in a pretty poetic way if you ask us! For anyone with information regarding Michael Vaughan’s disappearance Call Fruitland PD Dispatch 2086426006 OR Email: [e-mail] Some fascinating books used: The Bone Garden by William P. Wood Buried Beneath The Boarding House by Ryan Green Corpse Collector by Genova Ortiz As always, thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Get up to fourteen free meals—plus, three free gifts!—with code morbid14 at HelloFresh.com/morbid14 MasterClass: This holiday, give one annual membership and get one free! Go to MASTERCLASS.com/MORBID today. BestFiends: Download Best Fiends FREE today on the App Store or Google Play. SimpliSafe: Take advantage of SimpliSafe’s Holiday deals and get 40% off your new home security system by visiting SIMPLISAFE.com/morbid.   PrettyLitter: Go to Pretty Litter dot com and use promo code morbid for 20% off your first order. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this, this here, this guy, this gal, is morbid. Yeah, I don't know. I was going to open up and say way, heerdos. Yeah. And then I was going to say aim-ish to just like, you know, move all the letters around. But then Alina said, don't do that because people will say, stop recording at night.

Yeah, that's, I literally, I was like, you know what? We're going to get a million tweets that are like, love you guys so much, but please never record at night again. You've gone too far. You've crossed over, and that is not okay. Yeah. But you know what? Here we are.

It's at night again. It's morbid at night. You're not going to get this, but it reminds me of SpongeBob. I've said this before when it's like, at night. There you go. At night. You would like this episode. She's doing finger guns at me.

You would like the episode? It's like a horror episode of SpongeBob. A horror episode. At night. It's a little horror in it. It's about the half. slashing slasher. Well, there you go. That's something I got to catch up on. Definitely on my list. With the sarcasm ringing in the air. Dripping. No, I still have to catch up on succession.

Fuck, dude. Me too, because I want to watch the finale with you. I do too. And I want to be live. Like, I want to be with you all. I'm pointing at you in the microphone right now. I want to be with everybody who's watching it currently right now. I want to be on your level. My problem is that I'm on season one episode where I'm fucking, what's his name? Greg? Don't, uh, don't spoiler. It's not a spoiler at all. Greg is just, is his name Greg?

Yeah, cousin Greg. I haven't watched it a while. The best. Greg is picking up his grandpa. Oh, okay. I'm on that episode. She's real far behind. Like, I'm very far behind.

We're almost done with season two. So John and I are like pretty close to getting to the present day here. Yeah. But I keep going on Twitter and I see people because like apparently I have a lot friends who watched Succession. Me too. And I keep seeing almost spoil. And I'm like, and I start yelling and just have to like throw my phone and walk away. Well, and like other podcasts that I listen to sometimes they'll talk about like the latest episode of Succession in the beginning. And I'm like, don't do that to me. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. So for anybody who's like on our level, let's all do this together. We're going to make it.

And if you're not watching Succession, you should. It's a great show. Guys, it is so fucking good. It is, as John said, it is corporate Game of Thrones. And he is that really was 100% correct. The best way to describe it. But we're not here to talk about Succession. We're not Succession Sisters. That's not what this podcast is. Although maybe we will be because that's a great podcast idea.

I thought you were saying like maybe we'll be like fighting over like a media business. Maybe we would make a podcast called Succession Sisters and we just recap Succession. TM. TM. We should. We should. We should. Get rid of that.

Take this out of the episode. TM, TM, TM. Yeah, we'll, you know, we'll get back to that. But I wanted to remind everybody about that missing child case that I talked about in part one of Dorothea Puente. It's Michael Vaughn and he is missing from Fruitland, Idaho. He's five years old. We posted on our social media, I'll post again, though, because there needs to be more. We've got to keep posting about him.

It's giving certain cases like, you know, Daniel, it's like Gabby, Tito, it's like these cases just like, I just latch on. They like, they take a piece of your heart, I feel like. And it's like in this one gives me summer wells vibes. But like I'm like like in the same sense that like it's like two little baby five year olds and that it's been way too long since they've been missing and that there's not enough coverage of it. No, it's just. So and especially Michael like people need to push this out because it's not getting. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't have an amber alert.

There's no amber alert for him. Why? No idea. And that's what his family is like struggling to do because something like they're saying he doesn't meet the Idaho Amber Alert guidelines. And I'm like, he's been missing since July. Dear Idaho, he's a missing five-year-old that they believe was abducted. What else do you need for an Amber alert? That's the thing, though. It's like when we were talking about Noah and Amber Claire. And like Amber didn't meet the criteria. It's like you shouldn't have to meet criteria when you're fucking missing. When you're in a baby. when you're five. Like a child? He's a five-year-olds. Come on, guys. And it's like, that's why we made the Amber Alert system. And Amber Alerts work later too.

So like there's no harm in doing it. I just really like let's, I want to like push on them to do an Amber Alert. Me too. And I'll retweet. I've seen a couple of people have tweeted like the information you can, you can like email, call certain places where, you know, police departments and all that where you can try to push them to do an Amber Alert for my. Michael, so we're going to, we'll try that. I'll put it out. We'll try to put it on the show notes so everybody can see the information right there.

Yes. Again, I've said this before, but just in case you didn't catch it the other times, show notes are the description of this episode wherever you are listening to it. You might have to hit show more and it'll show you the whole description, all our sources, our sponsors, all that fun stuff. But any information we say will be in the show notes, that's where it will be. Show notes. Show notes. And this has been show notes. But yeah, so let's hope, you know, bring Michael home. I want him to be home with his family. I do too. But, yeah, so I just wanted to touch on that really quick. But we are officially in part two of Dorothea Puente. Is this, this is only going to be two parts?

This is only going to be two parts. This is only going to be two parts. Yeah, it's only going to be two parts. I just meant like this has been a horrific journey. And I can't hear more about elder abuse past this point. No, and I didn't really want to like dive too much further until the reviews, so I'm glad that this is where it's ending. Me as well. And you might have noticed to initially in the, in part one, I said the medication that she had stolen and tried to, you know, poison her elderly patient with.

I believe it was Esther Busby that she tried to poison her with. I pronounced it degoxen. Yeah, that's not how you say it. It's dejoxon. It is. And I put a little edit in the episode so that like, you know, we don't get like a hundred things a day. That's like, hey, that's not how you spell it. But people were really nice and were like, hey, by the way, that's not how you say it. So I appreciate it. Medicine names are so hard to say. And I honestly had never heard of that one.

No, neither have I. So thank you for letting me know. And usually I look those things up, but for some reason I was like real, I just went in with blind confidence on that one. It was like, de goxin. I know what to say it. And words are hard, man. And I was wrong.

So I just wanted to say thanks for letting me know and I edited it. So. Thanks a million. I love you. It's Fixed. And here we are in part two. So when we left you in part one with Dorothea. Oh man. Don't leave me anywhere with Dorothea. Honestly, no one should be left with Dorothea. And as we're going to see, people are left with Dorothea and it goes bad. So when we last left you, she was with an 82-year-old woman named Irene Gregory. She had met this woman and said her name was Betty Peterson. It wasn't. She had given her water pills to basically like mess up

her system. She also gave her other pills that were like, you know, sedation pills that were putting her under. It's so crazy to me that she, I mean, obviously, like, you can look these things up, but like she had no medical background and she knows how to poison people. Yeah, it's because she did a ton, she used to read about it all the time. She was very interested in it and she was looking for ways to steal. Yeah. So she really went for it. She did. Now, when poor Irene Gregory was unconscious, she was robbing her blind. She was stealing diamond rings from her, medications from her. She stole a ton of sedatives and sleeping pills from her. And she kept doing it to other women, a bunch of elderly women. She did it to Claire Malaville and Loretta Chalmers. Those were two other

victims who, I said this at the end of the first episode, they were too sick and elderly to testify in person against her. That's so sad. So that's who she was going after. People who couldn't even come to court to testify against her. She's a horrible human being. Yeah, she's like, she's a horrible, dare I say a human being. Yeah, she's a monster, like a true monster, and we're going to see that right now. So in 1982, she began working at a bar, and she was working as a cook, because she was also a good cook. Like her husband said that, everybody who knew her said that. She was a good cook. I would not want to eat Dorothea's food. Well, and unfortunately, she used that whole, like, I'm a good cook thing to poison people too. Yeah, of course. You know, like Esther Busby,

she, once she was in a nursing home, she brought her food because she got good food and she poisoned her again. So, but she did get a, she got a job cooking food at a bar. And it was basically just to kind of like keep the heat off for a while. It was like she was definitely getting weird. People were suspicious. She was, you know, after the whole hospital debacle, after all her patients are suddenly getting sick or reporting that they're missing things and they're having these periods of blackouts. unconsciousness, she's got to kind of take a dominoff. I just picture her like skipping to the bar like, don't be suspicious, don't be those positions. I think that's literally what she was doing. I think you're right.

While she worked there, she worked with a guy named Harold Monroe and he was diagnosed recently with terminal cancer. Oh man. He was married to a woman named Ruth and he introduced Ruth and Dorothea because he was like, oh, I think they would get along. Oh God. Now Ruth was a grandmother. She was a hard worker.

She was close to her friends and her kids and her grandkids. She was like a sweet lady. They liked each other, Ruth and Dorothea, like right away. They got along. And eventually, they got along so well that they decided to open up a catering business together. Wow. Because apparently Ruth had worked in restaurants a bit. She knew the business end of it.

And then Dorothea was like, I can do the cooking. And I've also worked in restaurants. So I think this will work. This would be great because you could stop terrorizing the lives of others and actually just feed people and make money off of it. Exactly. Just use your skills, man. It's like, you, this is what kills me.

I'm like, you think you only have skills and, like, being a monster. But you have, like, you're a good cook. Open up a restaurant. Just do that and don't hurt anyone. Right. Just make people have to. Like, it's just, that's kind of shows like that she just, she liked it. Enjoyed it.

Of course. Now, again, this business included opening up a joint bank account together. No. And you can see where this is going. Oh, joint bank. account stressed me out. Now during this time, Harold is not doing great, Ruth's husband. He's in and out of the hospital, and at one point he had to go to the veterans hospital for a very long stay.

Now, Ruth was like devastated. It's not going well, like that, you know, and they're having problems too because it's like a lot of stress on their marriage. And Dorothea had 61-year-old Ruth come live with her in her apartment in April of 1982. Again, no. Yeah. And almost immediately, Ruth, something about Ruth changed. Yeah, she got poisoned. She was suddenly sick all the time.

She lost weight and she was drinking cream. I can't say this word, but cream de mints. There we go. I said it. Cream de menth, which is an alcohol. It's like a minty alcohol. And it's like a, like, menth all. Yeah, like cream de mints.

And it's like a mint kind of thing. But she was not a big drinker. And she's certain, and all of a sudden, every time her kids would come visit her, she was drinking cream dements. And she would just be like, oh, Dorothy had it for me to like calm my anxiety. Uh-huh. And they were like, huh. So. They were like, stop drinking that shit.

Yeah. And Dorothy is going to kill you. And they said every time they saw her, she looked awful. Like they were like, she's getting worse and worse. She doesn't look like her. What is going on? She was healthy. Fucked up individual to do this to this woman whose husband is also dying at the same time.

And then her kids are coming to visit. her at your apartment. Watching you slowly kill her. And you know that their father is also dying. Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Oh, yeah, she doesn't give a shit. Now, her children in particular were confused why she suddenly needed round the clock care by Dorothea when she was totally fine weeks before.

She was about to just open up a business. Yeah. And now she needs like actual nursing care. They tried to help, but she kept saying, no, Dorothea will take care of me. Totally brainwashed into thinking that Dorothea was. I'd be like, but you just met. Yeah. her friends saw her at a hair salon at one point when she was able to actually go to the hair salon and she they all said like holy shit like they were like you don't even look like you what the fuck is going on

yeah like her friends were horrified they were like what happened like you were fine a couple of weeks ago right and she finally told one of her close friends she said quote i can't talk to you i think i'm going to die and then she said she couldn't remember long periods of time and was blacking out And she couldn't understand why. And so did she go to the doctor at all? No, because Dorothea was a nurse, remember? And she's taking care of her. Yeah. And she was blacking out.

She was losing periods of time because Dorothea was dosing her with those cream de menth drinks and was slowly poisoning her. Do you know what with? Well, we'll get to it, but she was using a lot of things. So April 28th, two of her children, Rosie and Bill, they visited her separately that day. She was basically unconscious, they both said, but Dorothy assured them that she had gone to the hospital and that the doctors had given her some kind of shot to calm her down, a tranquilizer of some sort. Okay. And Bill, her son said he went upstairs to see Ruth and her eyes were wide open, but she seemed paralyzed and unable to move. Strange.

Does that make you think of anyone in part? One. It does. Malcolm. Yes. Malcolm McKenzie had the same exact thing happened to him where he was paralyzed, eyes wide open, and had to watch what she was doing in his apartment. That's so scary. Yes.

I wonder if in that moment, Ruth was like, oh, what's happening here? Because, like, her kids later were like, I know she was just watching me and they said she looked upset. Like, her face looked upset. Like, I think it was Bill who said, like, he remember seeing, like, tears in her eyes. Oh, my God. Yeah. And he was like, and she couldn't say anything to me. She was unable to move anything.

And he just kept, he was like, I believed Dorothea. So I just kept telling her, Dorothy is going to take care of you. Don't worry, mom. And she's sitting there like tears in her eyes because she's like, she's not taking care of me. Like she's realizing she's getting worse and worse. So Dorothea called her kids later that night and told them something is going wrong. And this was in the middle of the night. And they said, your mom is not doing well.

And I just called 911. when they arrived she said your mother is dead oh my stomach just dropped even though i knew that was going to happen dorothea said it was her heart again ruth was 61 years old she was young 61 and ruth died from an overdose of codeine and alcohol and not alcohol Tylenol and a tranquilizer that was prescribed to her but the codeine and Tylenol were not prescribed to her uh-huh And they were not in the room with her. Uh-huh. She was bedridden when this occurred and could not have gotten them herself and there was

massive amounts in her system. Like, coding? Mm-hmm. That alone will fuck a person up. Now, her autopsy showed there was a little damage to her liver, but it was damage that could have been done because of chemical toxicity. So they looked further into it. And when they opened up her stomach, it only had that minty liquid.

it. She hadn't eaten for days and there was only those cream de menth drinks in her stomach. For days, this sick woman had only been force fed minty alcoholic drinks with drugs in them. What the fuck, dude? Like she couldn't even, I mean, she's poisoning her, so what, I can't even. Yeah. Her medical records showed she had a physical at the end of March. This was in April, by the way, less than a month prior and she was completely healthy. Wow. So less than a month prior, completely healthy. 100% checks out. Poison to death.

Less than a month later, being with Dorothea, she is dead. So do they, so what's the reaction here when this happens? Now, Dorothea told the police, because as soon as this was all happening, she's like, I just want you to know that she's very depressed because her husband is terminally ill. But the overdose was so significant that it didn't make sense. Right. Like the Tylenol and Kodine would have probably killed them alone or killed her alone in their amounts. There were so much in her system.

Right. Because that would have made it almost impossible for her to control her breathing. So the tranquilizer's edition showed that there was definitely something else going on here. Fowl fucking play. She didn't do this herself. And again, knowing that those two things, the Tylenol and Kodine weren't even in the room where she could have gotten to them, someone else gave them to her. Yeah. Like that doesn't make sense.

but no one's thinking that way. They listed her death as undetermined. Wow. Which at least they didn't say natural. Yeah. Because, you know, suicide. How could you? Because that's what she was trying to push.

Dorothea was trying to say she died by suicide. What a fucking monster. Yeah. To then go that far and be like, well, she was really depressed. Yeah. It's like, you're horrible. Well, and apparently Ruth was like very religious and very like that would have been something she wouldn't have wanted said about her. because she didn't do it.

Like that would have been, like, which is really sad. Right. But, you know, like, it's like, oh, it's just really frustrating. Now, immediately, she did it again to a former patient, quote unquote, of hers. Oh, yeah. Wow. Oh, yeah. And this woman's name was Dorothy Osborne.

She asked if she could come over to Dorothy Osborne's home because she said, I'm so upset, a woman died in my home, meaning Ruth. So she brought over alcohol and she dosed Dorothy's drink at her own home. Dorothy remembers, luckily Dorothy lived through this, but she tried to kill her. Dorothy remembers feeling hazy and then passing out. When she woke up, she was missing checks, money, and credit cards. Wow. But Dorothy also found that remnants of the drinks that Dorothy had made that night that this happened were still like, I think they were like blended drinks, so they were in like a food processor.

Yeah. She took samples of it in an empty pill bottle. Bad bitch vibes. And Dorothy brought it to the police and Dorothea was finally caught again because of this. Okay, so it all could have fucking ended again here. Exactly. They arrested her right before she jumped on a plane to Mexico, May 19th. Whoa. This time she was fucked.

And she had made the mistake of telling Dorothy, and this shows you that she planned to kill her. She told Dorothy. she was going to Mexico. So Dorothy told the police, by the way, you should probably go catch her. She's on her fucking way to Mexico. It's a fucking movie. Isn't this wild? And the fact that she was just going to leave that woman for dead?

Yeah. She was just going to leave her for dead. She's getting crazy. Oh, she's getting ballsy. Yeah, I was going to say, she's got some balls. She is reckless. Yeah. Now, she was convicted of three charges of theft on August 18th, 1982.

And she was sentenced to serve five years. in jail for this. Because again, she's not caught for you. That's attempted murder, my guys. Now, California Institution for Women in the city of Chino is where she was sent. And before her sentencing, she actually wrote a letter to the

judge trying to get a lesser sentence. Trying to woo him. Because she said she was 13 when she was first married off and her husband died shortly after. And she's just, she's had such a sad life since then and blah, blah. This was a lie. She didn't get married at

13. She didn't, her husband didn't die. Like, none of this is true. So off she goes to jail. I just love that she thought she was going to be like, you know what, I had a sad life. So my bad that I tried to kill someone. She thought, my bad, judge. She thought, she thought wrong. Because the judge was like, don't curl. No. So while she's in jail, she was beaten almost to death and then placed in protective solitary. Whoa. So she didn't start out great. she started to correspond with someone in jail by the way because she's there for five years so you got to do something I guess she starts corresponding with a 77 year old retire to retiree and widower living in Oregon how does she track at Oregon they're going to yell at me Oregon Oregon Oregon Oregon I said it

right sorry Oregon I have like PTSD Oregon I said oh I'm so sorry um I just lost me a complete you're like Oregon Oregon sorry I have oh no it's not your fault it's like a trigger like Like, uh, no, literally. I just love that she's like literally in jail, like victim searching. That's the thing. It's like, you're in prison. Can't stop, one stop, Dorothea. Like, she's still going.

Mama, you're in the slammer. If she's on the outside, she's either in people's homes, pretend you'd be nurses to kill them, or she's going to bars trying to find old, like, pensioners to try to rip them off. Right. She's just always, it's like, in sales, they say, say like ABC always be closing, that's Dorothea. It is.

She's always closing. She's always working. She's always being evil. A.B.K. She's always killing. Yeah, she's always A, B, B, E. Always be being evil. That's what she's doing.

Always be being evil. She is. Now, this man's name was Everson Gilmuth, and they called him Gil. Don't. Yeah. Don't do that to me. He was said to be a very good man, a real gentleman. His name is Gil, so obviously.

Yeah. I'm Gil. Yeah. Anybody watch Gilmore Girls? I do, but I don't remember that. I'm Gil. Gil is like Sebastian Bach. I don't remember that.

Lane's band. Oh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you guys got it. Sorry, I have like no memory. Like, what?

Wonder what? But yeah, I guess it didn't belong there, but it was, I still love Gil from. It did. I still love Gil from Gilmore Girl. My mind was like, what? Memory, no. It's a nighttime recording. And there's also, our neighbor is cutting down trees.

So there's like a lot of chainsaw happening. And I think it's distracting us both. There's a lot of chainsaw happening. It's a lot of Texas chainsaw happening. So poor Gil is just lonely. Yeah. And he said to everyone he knew, he's like, I just want to get married again. Oh, does he know that she's in prison?

Oh, yeah. He was writing two women in prison because he was like so lonely. Oh, sweetie. Yeah. No, he was also known. for being like a really impressive and intricate woodworker like that's who and he was also had like insane leather working skills so he was like a very skilled man yeah um so this pen pal relationship like got a little spicy and it became like a romantic kind of relationship i'd be rooting for that

if it was anybody else i know but puente was actually released in 1985 of course she was serving three years of that five-year sentence yeah it was because she was she had good behavior, apparently. Yeah. Guess what, guys. That's a lie. Not always an indicator. That's just called self-control.

Especially in Dorothea's case. Now, when she was released, a psychologist for the State Department of Corrections actually evaluated her. Yeah. And this kind of tells you everything you need to know about who Dorothy is. Okay. So I found this in the Bone Garden by William P. Wood. And I linked it in the first half of this, but I'll link it again.

It says, now she was going by the last name Montalvo right now because that was her latest ex-husband and she kept that name. Okay. So it says Montalvo appears to disassociate herself from any of the crimes for which she has been arrested and received time. She tends to minimize the importance of what she did or her responsibility for any of them. It appears at this time that although Montalvo does not evidence any symptoms, does not evidence any symptoms of psychosis, that is hearing voices or having delusions of grandeur, that she is, in fact, schizophrenic. So we have a second one.

Okay. This woman is a disturbed woman who does not appear to have remorse or regret for what she is done, and who at least on two occasions has been involved with administering drugs and or poison to unwitting victims. She is to be considered dangerous, and her living environment and or employment should be closely monitored. So this guy was like right on the, like hit the nail on. the head doink doink doing toink but whatever so she leaves um she is not closely monitored

i i wonder too and i'm sure like i'm not sure if you have it but i wonder if um ruth's kids found out that she went to prison and then we're like hey wait a second oh yeah they did oh don't worry because this entire time at first ruth's kids were like yeah i guess like it was an accident or, you know, but meaning like Ruth accidentally overdosed or they were like maybe she did, like, you know, like she was going through a lot. Like, you're going to, what are you going to think, you know? The first thing you're going to think is not that the person who was taking care of her murdered her.

Like, that's not what you want to believe. I mean, that's the first thing that I'm going to think. But you don't want to believe that about your mother, especially. You don't want to think somebody would do that. No, of course not. So I think you try to make like whatever you can in your head. No, yeah. I just meant because I sit in this couch week to week.

Oh, that's all I. 100% I would, but I wouldn't want to. No. Like, I would probably try to come up with other things I could have happened just to clear my own brain. We'd be sleuthing, girl. Right? But, so they at first were like, you know what, this is what happened.

But slowly they all were talking. And they were all like, I don't know. And then like, Rosie came. It was like, I didn't trust Dorothea. And all of a sudden they were all like, I don't know. Like, this is weird. And I don't think I trusted her. And is she really a nurse?

And they started all coming to the. the conclusion, which... That's so scary to have that discussion with your brothers and sisters. It must be horrifying. Is she even a nurse? Like, terrible. So now she's talking to Gill. And she had told him that she loved children. She loved taking care of people. But, you know, no. No, she didn't. Like, that's not true. No. And she also told this psychologist that did this evaluation on her. She told him the same thing. She said, I love children. I love taking care of people. And this guy was like, no, she doesn't. Like, he, he was like, no, that is a lie.

Right. She's a liar. And he specifically said in one of the evaluations, she should be kept away from children, the elderly, and anyone vulnerable. She was a danger to all of them. So why not leave her in prison, my dude? He recommended it. He's a psychologist.

No, I know this guy did, but I'm like, my other dudes. All those dudes. What the hell is going on? Come on. So, unfortunately, she was released after three years with that good behavior, despite that evaluation. I genuinely cannot. And Gill was outside the gates waiting for her in a red 1980s Ford pickup.

Stop it. Yep. Their relationship developed very quickly. Soon he was writing his sister, her name is Reba Niklaus, and he was writing her and saying, we are going to get married if everything goes well. Oh. He loves love. Yeah, he really does.

He did. And she was suspicious right away, though, Reba, his sister. Good. And he started pulling away from her because of it, like, because he was in love. And he thought that she was just being a stick in the mud, just a wet blanket. But really, she was like, never pull away from her sister. She always knows. She always knows.

And unfortunately, Dorothea and Gil opened up a joint bank account together. No, no, I told you I didn't like those. And, yeah, it's no good. And they lived in the upstairs apartment at 1426 Epp Street in Sacramento. They lived there together. Is that? Yeah. Okay. So that's the one that we were talking about earlier. Probably in part one, actually. For some reason, they're running together in my head. Always F Street. So, you know, he starts pulling away from his sister. The letters are getting a little more like, no, I don't really want to, like, I don't want to hear it. And then she just stops hearing from them all together. Then she receives this weird letter, and it says it's from her brother, but it clearly is not from her brother. And it says the wedding was off and he was leaving. Okay. And she's like,

what? She's like, that's sudden. Yeah, like, she's like, okay. And then Dorothea told Ricardo, her landlord, the one who owns that, that house that she's renting the upstairs apartment in, she says, you know what, Gill just left me. And that's it. Like, she had no explanation. He just left, and Ricardo was like, what? Like, I thought you guys were getting married. Like, what? Yeah, like, he was like very much in love with you. And he was like, I didn't even see him move out. Like, what happened? Can you live above me? Yeah, like, I'm very confused. Then Reba gets It's another letter. And it says it's from a woman named Irene, huh, who Gill is now in love with and is engaged to.

And Irene says, we're in love, we're engaged, a high future sister-in-law. I just wanted to let you know he's okay. He had a stroke recently, but like we took care of him. It's okay. And like, see you later. Goodbye. What? Now, if you remember, one of Dorothea's recent victim's name is Irene.

Gregory. She's fucked. Yeah, exactly. So this was fake, obviously. She apparently, now Dorothea apparently tried to hire an inmate that she was in the prison with, this inmate's boyfriend, to help her dispose of something at this point. Uh-huh. Now, when he came, he was like, oh, like, show me what you need me.

Because she didn't say it was a human being or something. Of course not. She just said, I have some stuff I need you to get rid of. Can you help me? Yeah. He was probably thinking like, oh, she didn't have time to call 1-800 junk. Like, I'll get rid of this for her. So he shows up and he said, I saw something clearly wrapped in plastic on the floor and it looked like a human being wrapped in plastic.

And he said, nope. And he turned around and walked away. Like, nope. Imagine that was scary. That would be to say like, nope and walk out too. I would think that I was next. I would be running. Running until.

And then I would skip town. I could never run again. Now, in November, 1985, she hired someone else to do it. a guy named Ismail Flores. And she asked him, instead of saying, can you get rid of this thing for me, she said, can you build me a wooden box six feet by three feet? Six feet by three feet by two feet. That's what she said.

Okay. And he was like, sure, like, what do you need this for? And she was like, oh, I need to store like a bunch of books and other items in it. It will be like a good little like chest. He's like, get a bookshelf lady. Yeah. Like, obviously. And he did.

He was like, all right. Like she must be moving and maybe that's what she's putting them in. So in for payment, because this was going to be like a nice box. Yeah. You know, like that's a big box. She was like, you know what? Do you want this in 1980s red Ford pickup truck? Because it belonged to my boyfriend, but he's in Los Angeles now and he doesn't want it.

And he said I could do whatever I want with it. Oh my God. And he was like, um, okay. So then she says, that's when you say, no ma'am. No, I don't. No, ma'am, I do not want that car. Well, and he said that she then asked him to transport this box that he has just made. No.

To the storage place with her. No. Get the fuck out of my face, lady. He's like, okay. And he's like, do you like, I guess we'll use the pickup truck, I suppose. So he helps her. And he said, it's so heavy. And he was like, what is in this thing?

And she's like, I told you. It has like a ton of books. Which honestly, books are very heavy. Yeah. So she was like, I told you. That's like a very heavy thing. He was like, all right, that's heavy. So sure.

So she went with him, and he was like, tell me where the storage place is. So they're on the way to this storage unit, and she's like, you know what, you can pull over right here. And it was like a little ways down, like, you know, pretty far away. And he was like, why? And she was like, you know, we can just like throw it in the river over here. And he was like, you, but I thought it had like all stuff you want. And she was like, no, it's kind of junk and I want to get rid of it.

Sir, you're an accessory. And he was like, okay. Like, what? I don't know if that's for real. So this was in November, sir. And January 1st, New Year's Day, 1986, a fisherman spotted that box. He said it was on like the riverbank and he said it was partially open and he could see inside that there was clearly something like decomposing inside. Yeah.

So he called the police. They found a very decomposed and unidentifiable body of an elderly man inside. Oh, that's so horrible. Now there were layers and layers of black garbage bags wrapped around. him. There were also mothballs and deodorant stuffed in there around him to stop the smell. Like what is, first of all, you're disgusting. And second of all, what a stupid way to do that? Yeah. Like, you really think mothballs and deodorant is going to stop decomp, you idiot. Yeah. And it's like, what? What? That shows, too, like, the level of her, like, thought process throughout this is, like, she's adding, like, things.

to stop the smell. She's really planning this. This is not like crimes of passion. This is not crimes of convenience. Well, I mean, she's killing them slowly. Like she's poisoning them. Of course it's not a crime of passion. Now, we obviously find out that this later, we find out it's the body of Everson Gilmuth, Gill. But it took a long time to identify him because she made sure to to dump him in a place where he was not known. So it was just an unidentifiable, badly decombosed body. sure she waited until it would be unidentifiable. And it seems like his family, like obviously he really only had a sister. And then she got that weird letter. So she doesn't even know where he is. Exactly. She thinks he's somewhere with Irene. And I think he said like, we're in the south now.

So she's thinking like he's nowhere near there. It's not him. That poor sister. Well, she continued Dorothea to collect his pension checks and even called and demanded they continue to send them when they got lost in the system when she moved addresses. Because when he moved, from where he was living into Dorothy's home. I guess the system got confused and was like messing up where they were sending the checks. So she called after she had killed him to be like, you're not sending my checks. Wow.

And had them redone. Like you haven't done a thing in your life other than scam, murder, and destroy. And you think that you're owed money for that. Okay, dokey. Artichokey. Oh, okey-dokey, artichokey. Sure. She isn't artichokey because I hate Artichokey.

Right? There you go. I don't like, I don't have a lot of strong feelings about artichokees. Like I like them like spinach and artichoke dip. I like that. There you go. Well, you have a strong feeling, so, you know, I don't like spinach and artichoke dip. It is kind of gross when you think about it, but I still like it. It's heinous. But you know what is really gross, Dorothea. She is also and her soul. Her soul is trash. Her soul is an artichoke. Yeah, it's a moldy artichoke. Now, it wasn't until about 19. 1988, really. So a few years later, that suspicions actually caught up with her for all of this. And in that stance, like time span, she did a lot. Of course she did. Now, it began when a man who was 52 years old named Elvaro Montoya went missing. Now, he was known as Bert. That's how people called him. He had struggled with mental health issues. He had been homeless for a number of years. he was diagnosed with schizophrenia at a young age, so he had trouble, like, staying at these

shelters and people, like, just didn't know how to take care of him. Like, he was, like, had it rough. Like, he felt so bad. And he was known by friends as kind, honest, and always trying to help. But he was just struggling. Yeah. He was not an angry person, not somebody who lost his temper a lot. He had been, and he had actually been referred into Dorothea's, like, new house that,

she was running for people. And it was by this woman named Judy Moyes. So this was an outreach counselor with Volunteers of America. Oh, man. Yes. Now, he ended up becoming so close to her that he would refer to Dorothea as Mama. And she obviously kills him. Yeah. And she took, like, and apparently she would get all his Social Security benefits for the month, which was like $600 a month from his Social Security benefits. She would take that in order to, you know, take care of him, question mark. But suddenly, and this was after, you know, Dorothea had started to open her own, like, new shelter. Because she, this is like her third one, I think. Yeah, it is. And suddenly Bert tells a worker at another shelter, he suddenly is like, you know what, Dorothea, like, force feeds me medication.

Get out of there. And he said, and weirdly, I always feel tired. Like, I'm always talking. and she's force feeding me this medication, but she says she's taking care of me. Now, this worker at this other shelter calls Dorothea and like flips. And Dorothea is pissed when she hears this. So the worker sent him home back to Dorothea and said, Why would you do that? And took Dorothea's word when she said he's lying and that's like really offensive to say. And this worker told Bert, you need to go apologize to her.

dude what the fuck and that was the last time anyone saw him of course it was because that person failed at their job like what the fuck like you don't look more and you call the lady directly like what thought process happened there ma'am now of course social workers are wondering where bert is because they're not hearing from him and she tells them she wants to bring bert to Mexico with her to see her family there as we know she does not have family in Mexico he never came back obviously from this vacation. And she claimed that he was going to be back soon, but her family just loved him so much. They wanted to hang out with them more.

Guys, that doesn't make any sense. And they were like, oh, that's weird, but okay. No. Then a man called the social workers and told them he was Bert's brother-in-law, and he said, Bert is moving to Ohio to stay with me and his sister. No, guys. Yeah. He didn't have a brother-in-law.

No. And like, you can't just call and say, I'm Bert's brother. brother-in-law. Like, I'm going to need you to come down and show like some kind of way that you actually are related to him. Thank you. So fucking voice on the phone. Well, and also, what's even better is he said, they said, what's your name? And he said, Donald Anthony. And that was a man who had worked for Dorothea. And he had been told to use a fake name, but he forgot. Unreal. So, but it didn't matter because nobody checked into that, huh? Well, immediately, the police were alerted after this. Because they were like, oh, wait a second. We're already, we're already, we are

are wicked suspicion of this whole he's in Mexico and your family just wants to hang out with him more. But there was nothing they could do at that point because he's an adult and they have nothing to say it. Once they had this fake thing where this man who works for Dorothea outed himself and said he was Bert's brother-in-law and he was now living with him, clearly trying to cover it up, that's when the police were like, shit's going down. Yeah. So the police go to the boarding house. Yeah. For the 400, good jillionth time. Now, they were met by Dorothea Puente.

I'm sure they were. And she said, Bert is just on vacation in Mexico. Like, I don't understand what your problem is. And another tenant who was there, a guy named John Sharp, was like, yep, he's in Mexico. Like, I know that too. So the police are like, okay, we can't do anything. Like, what are we supposed to do? So they go to leave, and John Sharp quickly slips them a piece of paper as they're leaving.

So sharp. They open it up. And it says, she's making. me live for her. My stomach just got all tingling. Isn't that insane? She's making me lie for her. And he later went to the police later that day and told them all of his suspicions. Icon. Like John Sharp. John Sharp FTW. So November 11th, 1988. How are we still chugging along here? I know. We're chugging along. They come to the house and they begin to search. Because they're like, we're searching. It's the police. So they find nothing of real note in the

house. So they're like, we would like to look in the yard. Yeah. Yeah, they did. We'd also like to dig in your yard. And Puente says, absolutely, and hands with them a shovel. Unreal. Go ahead. They start digging and three holes in, they found a human leg. Now, initially, the detectives thought it was a gnarled tree root. It wasn't. They brought her in for questioning, and she said, wait there's someone buried in my backyard oh my god excuse me what you got to give it up and she was like i know nothing about that i handed you a shovel to dig in there why would i do that if i knew that i buried someone in my backyard what are you talking about bert's in mexico you guys are crazy wow you know that's what you like she thought that she was going to outsmart them by being like

i gave you a shovel like i gave you a fucking shovel they're like yeah why would you i gave you a spade A spade is a spade. Spade is a spade. And I gave it to you, okay? Unreal. So they actually had nothing to actually physically tie her to it. They couldn't prove that she had buried someone in that backyard because that wasn't her house forever.

Right. Who knows how long that person had been there. We're going to look into that guys? So they had to let her go home. Oh, man. Now the next day, November 12th, they come back, obviously. They start digging again because they're like, now we have to dig up the whole yard. And apparently she was just pissed.

She was talking to tenants inside being like, I hope they don't like fuck up the gardens. that we just planted. Oh, man. And they're like, they probably will. They probably will because you're a terrible, terrible. You're a monster. And it was a packed audience of people watching this happening. Like onlookers, they gathered on the street to watch because they're like, what the hell is going on? I knew that woman was strange. Something's weird. And now they're digging up her backyard. I knew that former Roquette was weird. Yeah. I knew it. It all got strange when that all started. Now, right before they start digging, she says, excuse me, excuse me, would it be okay if I ran out real quick to get a cup of coffee with my nephew, Ricardo, at a nearby hotel? No.

And the police said, yes, ma'am. In fact, there's a pretty little picture of a police officer escorting her out into her waiting car. Go ahead, Dorothea Puente. She's wearing like a red dress. She's got a little umbrella. And he's just like, there you go, ma'am. Digging up your backyard where we found human remains yesterday. This is an active crime scene.

But by, by God, go have that cup of Joe. Get a donut while you're there. Go get a coffee. You're fine. I'm fine. No, excuse me, I'm not leaving. Dorothy. No, she's leaving.

She's the only one allowed to leave. If she's leaving, I'm staying. I am kaput right here. Wherever she goes, I will not follow. I'm going to stay here. Where she leads, I won't follow. Nowhere. Anywhere that she tells me to.

Nowhere. Done. And I said it in part one. I was like, we were like, what's with the police? What is going on? I was like, oh, part two is really going to take you into a whole way. Yeah, I remembered this part. Here it is.

Oof. So as soon as she left, they're by Dorothea. Enjoy your cup of Joe. Enjoy your, you know, French vanilla latte. Bold brew. You're bold brew. like bye, the police first dug up a full body. Of course they did.

The body of 78-year-old Leona Carpenter. Now, as soon as they find Leona Carpenter, and we'll get into all the victim's names, too, and things about them in a minute. So they immediately are like, oh, shit, because that's another body. That's body number two. They run to the hotel that she said she was going to be at. to get her. And they thought she was going to be there. That's my favorite part of the entire story is that they were like, let's go to that hotel where she said she's going to go. Because as we're digging up her body at her freaking

bodies in the back, yeah, she's definitely going to where she said she was going. They were like, bar. She left. Nuts. Just missed her. That murderous woman lied to us. Yeah. Like weird. I literally wrote, duh in big letters. Like, of course she's not going to be there. She escaped to Los Angeles immediately. And luckily, and with Wright, the police department was shamed for allowing her to leave and allowing her to escape. I mean, they were demolished for this. Like, I mean, the entire community was on them. That tons of newspapers were all over them.

The news was like, how the fuck do you let a clear, like what we think is probably a female serial killer, go out for coffee while you're digging up her backyard, you idiot. That just goes to show how she could literally charm. Anybody. She turned the pants off of them. Because again, when you look at the picture of them escorting her out, she looks like an adorable little grandma. I know. You're not worried about it.

Don't trust. Don't anybody. Now, they, and this is nuts, they then undug. They then undug. I meant unearthed. I just made ash choke on water. I had, you know, when you started to laugh and you have a sip of water in your mouth and I'm like, I'm going to spit this across the house.

I meant to say undug. dug up and unearthed and then they just they all just they just collided into a crazy non-word gruel gruel so that's literally what that was so they unearthed six more bodies in her backyard all had been wrapped in plastic like tons of plastic and bed sheets and they were all sprinkled with lime oh wow one was missing the head and another was believed or at least one, possibly two or more, had been buried alive. What? Yeah. I didn't remember that.

And one of the people who had been buried alive, Bert Montoya. No. Yeah. Because she was mad. She was mad. So the bodies were Leona Carpenter, who was 78 years old. They believe she was the first to die in the third boarding house. she was she had been discharged from the hospital straight into her care because again she was

pretending to be a nurse's aide at this point too and this was in February of 1987 so this is in between the time when she was released from prison for the whole Dorothy Osborne kind of situation and between now and then is when I said like she was real busy so this was what was happening in the interim. Now, she was discharged straight into Plente's care in February 1987. She had had cancerous tumors on her brain. Wow. And she was recovering from that. At 78 years old, she was like getting better. Good for her. She was a widow. And Dorothea said that basically she thought she wasn't going to be missed. Wow. You're a piece of shit lady. Yep. She was buried near the back fence and her leg bone was the one that the detective, Detective Cabrera, I believe his name was,

thought was a gnarled root and like grabbed it. And he was like, oh, that's not a root. Dorothea had used her checks to order herself clothing and shoes after she was killed. She's a great A asshole. Great A. The next one was 62 year old James Gallup. So young. He survived a heart attack and brain tumor surgery. Stop. But he died. in that boarding house. He was independent and strong, but he had been like really ill. He refused to let Dorothea take all financial control of his like life. Yeah. So she poisoned his food. Of course she did. The next one was 64 year old Vera Faye Martin. She was a mother. She was poisoned with a drugged drink the day she moved into the boarding house. Are you serious? She was in that house for one day. Wow.

When her body was found, her mouth was wide open and it looked like she had tried to kick herself free from her plastic binding. Oh, God. Her wristwatch was still ticking. What? And they said she was one of the ones they clearly believe was buried alive. That is so haunting. The next one was Dorothy Miller. She was 64 years old and she was a Native American Army veteran.

She had moved in October 1987. She was struggling with alcoholism because aside from me, dealing with PTSD from her time in the service, she also had a really traumatic childhood. She also suffered from night terrors because of this stuff and had medication to allow her to sleep peacefully. She liked to recite poems. Like that was something everybody knew about her. And she really liked Dorothea and had tried to like befriend her.

And Dorothea was annoyed by her. And she said that her night terrors annoyed her the way she would talk annoyed her. Girl. You don't have the right to be annoyed by anything. Like, Dorothea, you're the most annoying. You're annoying. You're really annoying. You're a nuisance to society.

What she did was ground up Dorothy's sleeping pills and put them in her drink. Wow. And that's how she killed her. And she had taped, like duct taped her arms to her chest. That's how she was found. Wow. Now, Benjamin Fink was the next one. He was 55 years old.

He was struggling with alcohol. close and when he moved into the house. Because again, that was like what she was kind of banking on was people who were struggling with addictions and illnesses. So they were like really down on their luck. Trying to get better. Trying to get better from a lot of different things. Right.

He also had severe lung illnesses that he was dealing with. And I guess right before he disappeared, it was in April 1988. Another tenant said she watched as he, as like, she basically brought Ben upstairs. And she turned and said, I'm going to take. men upstairs and make him feel better. And he, no one ever saw him again. Wow. And he was found only in striped boxer shorts.

The next one was Bert Montoya, who was 51 years old. He was found under a brand new apricot tree that had been planted right on top of him. Wow. The next one was Betty Palmer. She was 78 years old. She had moved into the boarding house because she basically had a ton of medical bills and couldn't afford them. Oh.

Yeah, and she was very good, very responsible woman. She was just having trouble affording her own medical bills and needed a little help. Medical bills will, like, destroy you. She was another one who refused to let Dorothea have control of her finances. She had a ton of friends and family. And Dorothea was actually really scared when she killed her because she was like, I knew she would be missed because people loved her. Yeah.

Which, like, what a piece of shit you are. Seriously, you're just taking away everybody's friend and loved one. Yeah. So she said she had somebody, one of her handymen, because she called these men that would like work for her. Her handymen cut off her head, legs, and hands so that they couldn't identify her. Wow. And when she was found, she was wearing a sleeveless white nightgown.

And above her, Dorothea had put a statue of the patron saint of missing things. And it was right next to the sidewalk. St. Anthony? And if you don't think that that was on purpose, the patron saint of missing things. Of course it was. And she is not only missing herself, but she is missing her head and her limbs. That's fucked. Yeah.

Is that seen, Anthony? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Dorothea cashed her checks and she did it by using, because, again, Betty didn't want her having any control of her finances. Right. And she did the thing where she wrote on all her things check ID when you had to like cash or check or anything.

So what she did was she stole her ID after she killed her and then put her picture on top of hers and just used it to cash all her checks. How is this old lady so conniving and evil? Yeah. And what's even sadder is they never found Betty's head or her limbs. Dude, fuck this lady. I'm like pissed. Yeah.

Now, all seven of these people had in their systems, benzodiazepines. Sorry, I just started on that. Benzodiazepines. And mainly what they all had in their system was fluoresapam. And this happened to be one of the drugs stolen from Irene Gregory. Wow. And they found empty capsules of it in Dorothea's drawer. So the capsules where she would open them and put the powder in the drinks, they were all,

first of all, what? You just put them in your drawer after you did that? Like the evidence of you poisoning people, you just kept in your drawer? She probably like to open it up and look at it. Look how many people I poisoned. Probably. What the fuck? Now, she was on the run for five days.

Los Angeles. What's so confusing to me is how did nobody see her digging in that backyard? I know. But I think I think she had like handymen do it. Yeah. And like act like they were like doing gardens. Exactly. And then she would say like what, I just planted those. So I don't remember and I'm sure you'll get to it, but do they find any of those handymen? You know what? I could not find a ton about the handymen. I don't know if they like, she was just saying that or if she named any of them or if they were ever able to find them. Wow. I know some of them were, you know, victims themselves that I think are now. So I think like she might have offed most of them. Wow. Or had other ones off the ones before. I think she had a whole operation going on. Wow. She's so scary. She's one of the most terrifying people we've

covered. Because she's so calculated and so cunning and so heartless. In the package of like a grandma. And when you see her outside packaging, it is so much scarier. It is. Like you said, she looks like a sweet old grandma. She literally looks like a grandma. It's terrifying. Yeah. I don't trust anybody. And like I'm afraid of grandmas now. And she went on the run in Los Angeles for five days. And while she was out there, Everson's body, Gill's body, was identified while she was out there. And it was identified because now they saw all those bodies in her backyard wrapped in sheets and a plastic wrap. And they were like, wait a second. She has a connection to this guy.

And we just found this, we just found this unidentified body here. In this same manner. Let's do this. They immediately tied it to Dorothea. Wow. Also, Ruth Monroe's kids finally were able to get a case opened against Dorothea for their mother's death. Good. As if everything else, they knew it.

They knew what was going on, but they didn't have anything that they could use to prove it. But now they did. But with this, they were like, boom, boom, boom, open up the case now. So Dorothea had been holding up in a motel in Los Angeles. But every night she would still go out to bars in Los Angeles trying to get old men. Wow. Yeah. So one night. She can't stop, won't stop. She can't stop, won't stop. Like, never. Never. You can't stop her. No, she, she would have gone on forever. Oh, she would have gone on forever. There would be no, she would have had to die first before she stopped. She really would have. Now, she met a man named Charles out at a bar. And she introduced herself as Donna Johansson. And she, he said immediately he got like a weird feeling about her. Yeah, because at this point, she's like, really like. Yeah, she's gone through it at this point. So he was like, I. He was like, I. He was like, I. He was like, I. He was like, he was like, I. He was like, he was like, I. He was like, he was like,

I don't know, but like, sure. Like, she's fine. Like, she's nice. Whatever. But he was like, I just had this, like, weird feeling, like a gut trust. Your gut. And he was like, yeah, I don't want to go out after this. But, like, you know, maybe we can make plans to go out, like, you know, the next day or something like that.

So they did. They made plans to go out. Later that night, he turned on the news. Oh, God. And he was with his friend, I guess. And they turned it on and they see Donna Johansson on there. But her name is Dorothy O'Owente. Can you imagine?

And they were like, what the. fuck he was like good thing i didn't grow with that lady yeah he was like and his friend was like you would have been dead like she would have paralyzed you and stolen all your shit 100% like holy shit 100 so he immediately calls the police and what's funny is he called the motel she said he she was at first and was like hey are you like there are you like are you staying in for the night icon and she was like yeah totally and he was like cool all right bye bye donna see later miss johansen see yeah sweet dreams baby. 9-1-1. Hey, here she is. She's at the hotel right now. She's not leaving. Go-Get her. Love him. Literally was like, go-guer. Charles, for the fucking win. And she was arrested in that motel room with no

incident, and she was charged with nine murders. Wow. Even though she probably did about six. Definitely did more. Now, there's pictures of her on this, like, tiny plane where they had to bring her back to Sacramento. And she's in this, like, little lady outfit with, like, shackles around her arms. And she's, like, drinking this little black cup of coffee. Like, it's just, it's so weird to see. I really got that cup of coffee. We got to post it because it's just a wild picture. But on the way there, like in the plane ride, she said to detectives at one point, I used

to be a very good person at one time. When? And I'm like, when. Can you point to that for me? Like when you were a child probably, which is really sad. Which is sad. I still feel very bad for child's Dorothea. But it's like, damn.

But you could have turned it around because people do. And it's like, honey, you are not a good person. No. Now, throughout the trial, they definitely pushed that sweet grandma angle. Oh, of course, she did. They were definitely pushing that. She's in her sweet little grandma dresses. Yeah.

And, of course, the prosecution is pushing that she's this manipulative criminal mastermind and all this. And then you look at her and you're like, what? Well, and that's, it's like, okay, so is she this sweet grandma who's been through it and is just like getting, you know, caught up in trouble? Or is she this master manipulator that just preys on, like, the most vulnerable people? nine bodies in her backyard. It's that one. It's not the cute grandma. But like, see, I guess the trial was like wild because it was like both sides. I can imagine.

Because imagine being on that jury as well. Because the defense was saying she's a sweet grandma and they were like, yeah, but look at all these things she did. And they're like, oh, no, we're not saying she's not a thief. Like she's a thief and a liar. But she's also a sweet grandma. And they're all like, she's not a murderer. And they're like, cool. She did that.

She's bling the bodies in her yard, though. So in 1993, it took several days of deliberations. And at one point, there was a deadlocked jury. I bet. And they said most of that was probably due to the fact that she was this adorable old grandma. And they were pushing that so hard. They definitely got to some of the jury members. I'm sure.

But she was convicted of three murders. Wow, only three. Yeah. That's sad. That's sad. That's sad. to, first-degree murder for Dorothy Miller in Benjamin Fink's, oh, excuse me, it was first-degree murder for Dorothy.

Benjamin Fink, she got second-degree murder and second-degree murder for Leona Carpenter. Do you know why second-degree? I'm not really sure. I guess they just, those things are always weird. They are. They are. Especially when they're like older, because you're like, why, though? Yeah, exactly.

But there must have been some reason for it. She was put, she was sentenced to two life sentences at the Central California. your women's facility in chow chila is it chow chila or chow chia i have absolutely no idea i don't know ready in chow chila in chow chia one of those works so puente continued to say she was completely innocent and she was just she the how did they end up in my backyard i don't know liar i do you know everything that's in your backyard i don't that's what she was saying that makes me nervous like i know that i don't have body. Well, I'm fairly certain. I don't have bodies in my backyard. But then you're like, you're like, fuck. I didn't put them there. Exactly. Trying to make the same fucking argument is

Dorothea. But you know what? They were like, but Dorothea, Dorothea, my girl, we have the time, like, time of deaths of these people and you were living in that house when they died and they lived in the house with you. Right. So nobody's sneaking into your backyard in the middle of the night and burying bodies in your backyard and then planting apricot trees on them. It just doesn't happen, girlfriend. So it's like, come on. And she was basically like, I was good to these people. No, you weren't.

You weren't good to anybody. You've never been good to a single fucking person in your life. And she was quoted in prison as saying, the only time those borders were in good health was when they stayed in my home. Lies. I made them change their clothes every day, take a bath every day, and eat three meals a day. When they came to me, they were so sick. They weren't expected to live.

I gave them three meals a day and I poisoned every single one. of them is what you meant to say. And it's like, you know what? I'm pretty sure they expected to live. Like, I'm pretty sure that was a good expectation that they all had. I don't think any of them expected to be murdered in a boarding house. No, probably not. I don't think that. Now, in 1998, she began talking with a guy named Shane Bugby. He did a huge, like, interview with her. He was like a journalist. And this was like years of corresponding with her. And she started sending him during the correspondence, these recipes. Because again, she was a good cook. So she would send him recipes. But like, I don't want to eat anything she makes. In 2004, a book was released, cooking with a

serial killer. No, that's unacceptable. Who the fuck did that? That's fucked. Who's making Dorothea Puente's recipes? No, and like, I don't want to find out that I've accidentally made one of those. I don't want to know that shit. Like, what if that's just on Google and it comes up as the first four that they recommend and you look at it and has five stars? And you don't even hit the title. You just it jumped a recipe. And I guess there's like 50 recipes in there or some shit. And I'm like, why would you ever feel the need to cook something that literally may have killed somebody.

That may, like, things in that cookbook may have been somebody's last meal. That's what I can't stop thinking about. That's fucked. That this isn't even like, you know, some dormant hobby that she had that she's just like, oh, look, I cook now because I'm a grandma. That's what we do. Here's some recipes. That alone would be like, horrible.

Honey, those are Dorothy. Quente's recipes. You don't need that shit from her. We don't need anything from her except for her to shut the fuck up. And go away. And stop hurting old people. Right. Stop hurting anybody. But like you said, she was a cook. She cooked a lot. And she probably poisoned people with those fucking recipes. What are you going to do? Serve them to your family. Yeah. And I'm like, kids, it's a Dorothea special today. Dig in. Like, like, fucked. Yeah. Not cool. Like, oh, actually. See, like, I was just going to say. Like, pun not even intended. No, no, no, no.

Holy shit. It's like, that's the thing, though, it's so gross. I can't get down with that. And the thing is, I feel like they're like, it's again, like, oh, like cute little grandma, like be me, me, me. Like, you wouldn't buy Charlie Manson's recipes. You wouldn't buy Robert Pickton's recipe. You definitely want to buy Robert Pectons.

But like, he had a restaurant on the fucking grounds. Yeah. No. You just like, stop. If you have that book, shred it. Yeah, don't even throw it away for somebody to find. Shred the shit out of it. Those are just bad vibes in those meals.

too, I'm sure. You don't need. They're probably real bad vibes. And, well, like, I'm like, maybe you could, like, I don't trust her ingredients. No, I don't think that she would have a good flavor profile for anything. No. I feel like it would be, like, meant to give me indigestion. I was literally going to say it would be meant to give you some kind of food poisoning

or some kind of, like, like, the flavor she uses would be meant to interact in a way that would make you feel like shit. That is exactly what I was trying to say. Like, I don't trust your ingredients. So just don't do it. Get rid of it. of that. Get rid of it. Don't do it. I just, this has been like a very, she's horrifying. This has been a very sad episode. I love the elderly. I love everybody. I'm such a fucking empath. You are an empath. I'm like going to go home and like cry. I want to go watch a hallmark movie with your mother-in-law at this

point in time. See, I'm going to watch, I need to watch one of those commercials that are on this time of year with like the elderly people and like their neighbors decorate their home for them when they live alone or something or they leave them a present. They cook them like Thanksgiving dinner. They treat them nice. I just need to see people treat and older people nice. I think after this episode, we should all do something nice for an older person in our life. There you go.

I think that's great. I think whatever you can do, whatever elderly person, you know, you fancy. Just do something nice for them. Yeah. Just say love you. Yeah. Make a meal for them. That's not out of Dorothea's cookbook.

You know, do one of those commercial things. Rake their leaves. Go rake a random person's leaves. I don't know. Just do something nice. Yeah. Put kindness. of the world because it comes back and you know just be it really does it's it's easier it's nicer and it's

more fun to be nice it is i enjoy being nice let's let's keep doing it and you know what's nice if you keep listening so we hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird that you don't do something nice for the elderly in this next coming week okay yeah i love you don't be as weird as dorothea don't do it