Morbid - Episode 140: Liquid Matthew, Maria Del Carmen and Dorothy Jane Scott With Special Guest Christine Schiefer!

Episode Date: May 16, 2020

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm Elena. And I'm Christine. And this is more bad. Many, many, many, many, many more bad. Many more bad, many more bad, many more bad. I didn't know for you're saying it together and then I just stopped after I said, you know,

he turns out awesome. Clearly I made the decision for us. I loved it. I was glad about it. Go with your gut. Man, go with your gut. Oh my gosh. Well, this week we have Christine on from,

and that's why we drink as you all guest at Christine is the special guest this week as everyone gets and demanded. Oh, well, I'm very honored when M first told me, they were like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna be on more, but now it's like what? Like, I told you about them. Like, I just got so possessive. I was like, they like what? Like I told you about them. Like I just got so like possessive.

I was like, there what? And then you guys texted me immediately and I was like, okay, I guess I get to do it too. So this is great. But for so say. I was like, can I just like come and watch? I was being very weird about it. But anyway, you should have.

I probably should have. We can all have a Zoom after this. It'll be fun. Yeah, but we could just hang out. We might have to. But yeah, it's an honor. I'm so excited. I've been listening to you guys since October, I think.

And I started listening because I was using you for research for some of my stories. And then I just like. It's like heart sore. It was. And then I was like, oh, this is even research. It's like just fun to listen to. And so then I got a little bit addicted to it.

So. It makes us so happy. I know we're honored that you came I'm just seriously I even brought wine like I'm am ready to go here for us and have a decaf coffee I'm just ready I've water I've covered all bases really out your We're out of your wilders. That's usually what they say about me, yeah. It's wild in me as well. You know me.

The slain against that all the time. Yeah, I am constantly wild in all this. Things I never thought I'd hear. Nope. Well, in this episode is gonna be wild in because it's a twisty-turny episode. What's excited about. And the best thing about this is when I texted Ash, it was like, it's gonna be fine like a twisty thing to do. Oh my god, you need to get out of my head.

I was just about to say this. And Ash was like, so you mean twisty the clown, right? So I'm gonna do this. Oh my god. And then she went into it and I was like, to save it. And Ash was like, so you mean twisty the clown, right? So I'm going to do this. And then she went into it, and I was like, no, no. I had a full blown idea. I thought that Christine was going to cover twisty the clown. And I was like, oh, cool. I'll do Cropsy then.

And it was like twisty the clown. Is it a real like, tercro case? I knew I was confused, but I was ready. It was awesome. It was so earnest when you texted me. You were like so twisty that so cropsy. So I'm going to do cropsy. It was like, yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, I would have seen. I mean, we should keep that in mind for a future episode. I kind of like it actually. I'm a little bummed we didn't go with that, but. I know. That's okay. Well, I'll always next time. Yeah, twisty.

Yeah, exactly. Twisty was what I invented. I like two in the morning. That's probably the word I use, which is so it's probably my fault But yeah, it like two in the morning. I was like, I know I'll make it twisty and turning And I don't know if that's even a theme at all, but that's what I Totally is You made it one. Yeah, I made it ready for it

I think so I think what we're gonna do is we're gonna start with the main event which is Christine. I'm the main event. You're the main event. Oh shit. I'm so I'm so nervous. Yeah I did. You're welcome. You did. I appreciate you. No people are probably like in here like who the hell is that chick. No people are psyched. No people are so stoked for this. I feel like we have a lot of the same listeners. Yeah I think we do and today we did Emma and I did like a an Instagram live stream and everyone was like You finally did a morbid collette like people were very excited about the crossover Yeah, so funny. It's been a long time coming, I think. It has.

The love is real. The love is real. It is. The universe finally brought us all together. This was his minute. During, isn't it during quarantine? Just a beautiful love story. All the tick was a pandemic, that's it.

No, it's like not a big deal. It won't have lasting consequences in the world. No, absolutely not. Everything will be fine. It's about us and big deal. It won't have like lasting consequences in the world. No, absolutely not Everything will be fine. It's about us and our friendship. Yeah, we're fine. We're friends Oh, man. Okay, well show. Should I just tell you this store? I have two little like two short You can just dive into this minis if you will two twisty turnies to twisty turnie minis to twisty turneys. To twisty turneys. Too many minis.

Do they go on you to see turneys? To see turneys more minis. To see turneys more minis. Whoa, I did. See, that part was on purpose. Look at that. The twisty not so much, but that's it. That was just a happy accident.

That was a happy accident. Thank you. That's how I like to look at it. So I have two little stories. The first one, I had heard of a long time ago and I wanted to do on that's what we drink, but it was too short, too many. And you know, our shows are like four hours long each.

So, it's safe. It's safe, it's safe. Yeah, exactly. Makes for a good drive. Exactly, commuting, which we don't do anymore, but that's okay. So I have two little mini ones, but this first one is called the liquid Matthew case and

So disgusting. I can't even it does sound foul, doesn't it? Yeah Do you guys know about this? I feel like Elena said you would hurt of it. Are you? I've heard of this yeah, but I've heard of it, but I don't know the details. Okay good I intentionally didn't look at the details. Oh good. I've heard of this I'm here. Surprise. You got to know that you got it. You got to wait for the details. Oh good. I'm so nervous. I'm gonna tell you this now We'll see how it goes. Don't be nervous. You look great. You're killing it already the lighting right now if everybody could see it It's beautiful. I know. I'm actually in our post. That's sitting under a Skylight and it's really burning my retinas, so I'm glad it looks good

Some shades off and tell the story. It's like some magic hour lighting. I love it. A happy accident as O'Lean likes to say. So liquid Matthew, I'm going to tell you about this. This happened in Miami, Florida in 1983 and it was December 6th and two joggers were out for a run and they came across the body of a man who had been torn apart and wrapped in plastic underneath a no-dumping sign which ironic.

Wow. Ironic. I was just going to say that. That's a bad joke right there. That joke is ironic. That joke. And he had been strangled to death and was wrapped in plastic. And the officers that were there, the detectives found a note that had been taped to the no dumping sign. And it was wrapped in plastic and it had a riddle on it. And the note read, once you're back on the track, you'll travel in night. So prepare your old self for a terrible fright. Now the mode of

is clear and the victim is to you've got all the answers. Just follow the clues. And it would be so exciting. I know I was an investigator. I'd like, fuck yeah, they're like, exactly. They're like, this what eight year old me got into the police. Like was wanting to be a police Officer for this exact type of situation It sounds like a hunter killer box. Yes, like a real life riddle exactly Yeah, and so apparently there was this guy named Sergeant Miller who was like hell. Yeah, this is my jam and got all over it Sergeant Miller was like I'll take it and he solved the first clue. It took him an hour apparently

I know he was on top of it. That's pretty good. I thought so. And it led him to a second clue. And they found the second clue on the back of a speed limit sign. And this clue said, yes, Matthew is dead, but his body not felt. Those brains were not mats because his body did melt.

For Billy through Matt in some hot boiling oil to confuse the police for the mystery they did toil. Oh shit. It's like a poet but also like he's wilded it. It is wild. If anyone is going off. Sergeant Miller was like shit. I did not expect this to take such a wild and turn. Oh, man. And so they found this second clue. And at first, they were like, hell yeah, we are on the hunt. We got this figured out. But after the second clue, they were completely stumped.

And so they thought, well, what do we do now? I guess in all the traditional true crime stories, what you do is you go to the public. And so much like the Zodiac, they went to they went to the Miami Herald and they ran a story about the case and put the creepy riddle in the newspaper for the public to kind of try and figure out and solve and see if they could find the third clue basically. This is my dream.

I know. This is a real life story that you just imagine in a fictional Netflix show. Why am I not live for these kind of things? Why does this never happen to me? Yeah, like I want to open a you a paper built-in. We're definitely solve it. I will solve this.

I feel like you would just go from like clue one to like the 10th clip. I'd be like, I got it. I got it. Sergeant Miller. I love a good girl. So they were like, okay, we'll see if anyone in the public knows what this is about. And pretty soon two people came forward and they were both members of a local church and they were like, those notes, we wrote them.

And the police were like, shit, well... They were like, well, thanks for coming. They were like, that's real weird. Should we get our weapons out? I don't know. Yeah. Cool. They were like, I think you did something bad.

I'm pretty sure. So they pulled us. They were like, we wrote those notes. And at this point too, I will say the case had become known as the liquid Matthew case because of the hot boiling oil and the name Matthew in the note. And they were trying to, it was very cryptic. And they were like, is this guy Matthew?

I guess so. I don't know. Just they were very confused. They were very confused. This is gross sounding as if it were a little. It's trying to get people interested in it, which I guess it works. Yeah, instead of Matthew's soup, let's call it a little bit of a small soup. It's like flat. That was on the table for a bit. Yeah, they're brainstorming.

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There are as we wrote those. And it turned out that back in October, this church they were members of, had set up a Halloween murder mystery-style scavenger hunt for the kids of the congregation to solve. And they had wrapped them in plastic bags to protect them from the weather, and that night it had stormed. And so a lot of the notes had not been picked up after the scavenger hunt was over. Oh, shit. And so it was just like a total coincidence that this note had been hanging, like literally

above the dead body Like the person who dumped the dead by there had nothing to do with the note and it just happened Onside that Also, that's like a very intense note for a children's scavenger How? The most metal church I have ever heard And for a church, that's actually the Church of Olena It's so awesome, that's exactly

Seriously, that's what your church would write That's what's so awesome. It's exactly. That's what your church would write. That's what I would have solved it right away. You're like, yes. I can speak this language. I would be the one who would have chosen those notes for scavengerhounds for the church. And they would have been like, yeah, you can't do that. You're actually no longer an animal.

And that's what I'm like, all right. I feel like, all right, fine. You've been ecstatic. I'm ecstatic. I'm ecstatic. And so they were like, wow, OK, so this was like a totally two months later. They just happened to find a dead body underneath this sign, tape to a sign. And so it was a total coincidence.

And they actually eventually found out that the murder victim was a guy named Francisco, Patino Gutiérrez. And he was a Colombian national who had actually recently smuggled or attempted to smuggle 11 pounds of cocaine into the United States. And so they it turned out he had been killed for drug related reasons and yeah, Francis Scott didn't was not happy ending, but it also was not as dramatic and fun as the police thought it was. It was not a very like day-to-day case.

Yeah, I felt really sad for Detective Miller or Sergeant Miller who was like, I really thought I was going to be interviewed by Netflix in 30 years and that's going to be a turning career where you're like, so I'm going to have a movie made me. Right! And I can't wait to see who plays me. Like Morgan Freeman will be in this film someday. Is what this feels like. Yeah, so.

So, I felt a little sad for him because he really, you know, that got that pulled out from under him. But they did figure out that someone was pissed enough about his drug busts that they strangled him and left him under the no-dumping sign. And yeah, in other words, his murder had nothing to do with the cryptic notes. It was just a total coincidence. And the real life mystery kind of just fell by the wayside and got solved. So it's kind of the anti-huge twist.

It's like an anti-climactic twist. It's an ironic twist. Yeah, exactly. It's like a real life twist. Well, that wasn't as fun as we thought but Cisco just got unintentionally wrapped up with the metal church and Things just went people always warned him, you know, yeah, they really Careful with this metal church with the church of Elena. It's really dangerous

Have you heard about the scavenger for the children or the children for the youths of the church. The youth ministry. I was like, damn, I grew up in the Catholic church and I went to Caldysville for 15 years and we never did any cool murder mystery stuff. Never! I was like, this is such a bummer. Our mysteries are about the crucifixion which I guess is kind of twisted in its own way Yeah, I guess that's true But any kind of murder mystery with a church. I'm like that's awesome. Yeah, like next level. Okay So that is the first twisty case Good liquid man. I was really good. I like it

I Every time I say it, I'm like who that it is really rubbed pulse up like my skin kind of turns inside out Yuck But like truly I do think I do kind of hope that they looked into whoever wrote that one about like boiling someone in hot oil because that's the thing. Yeah They spoke from experience. Yeah. It's a little too specific That person was unloading some emotional bad And like I wonder if they left them up on purpose like I hope someone finds my poetry Someone finds it and enjoys my poetry. So I've finally been discovered

I hope someone finds it and enjoys my poetry. So I've finally been discovered. Well, I have one more for you. And this one actually is like, it does end up fucked up. So this is a real life twist. I wanted to make sure we actually had a climactic twist, not just a new one. So I like it. So we had one that was like a twist that was like, whoa.

And then it's like, wow. Just kidding. Yeah. So I'll end on this one now. This actually took place last year Like less than a year ago this past fall. So this is a very new and unfolding case And this is the story of Maria del Carmen in Spain. Oh So I think I know this Yeah, I had never heard of it either until I found it on a listicle, which is usually where I find things that fascinated me at two in the morning. Me too, right? That's exactly what I do. I deep dive into listicles in the middle of the night.

I feel like that's what they've, that's what they're meant for, I think. The hidden gem, it is. Yeah, it really is. So this took place in Northern Spain in last fall. This one's named Maria Del Carmen and she Asked her neighbor one day if she could store a box for her She's like oh, I'm just like clearing some stuff out. Do you mind storing this box and the woman answers no the answers always I don't have any room for that. No, my house is a package. Shock a block full. Thank you

No room whatsoever for you. Why don't you get you a storage facility? Like a normal human, yeah. And so of course, this one's like, well, what's in it? And Maria says, oh, it's just my sex toys. Which, well, definitely. Yeah, well, that doesn't help. I don't know, I guess that was the convincing part, where she's like, oh, sure, OK. But to me, that's when I'd be like, oh, why didn't she say so?

Oh, you got any more? Okay, I got a whole room for those. Yeah, we got a place for those. A special room. Special closet for those. I guess this woman literally did have a special closet. She could seem to be, I mean, maybe she just had, like, I personally am so bad at boundaries that like if someone asked me something to my face I just like say yes to get to conversation

And then I think like how can I get myself out of this so maybe it was more of one of those scenarios Which I like to think because I feel like this would happen to me and I'd be like I don't know. I just said yes Okay, she seemed so earnest I guess um and this woman just like yeah I guess I'll take your sex toys and she put it in her wardrobe in her special closet. And she stored it there for six months. And yeah, and like just forgot about it. And then pretty soon after that, she started to realize that the box had a terrible stench

coming from it. Oh no. That's never good. Especially when it's sex toys. Especially when it's sex toys. Especially when it's sex toys. Not a sex toy stench. It's not foul.

And how do you bring that up, Ro? You can't bring that up to her. Especially when it's sex toys, especially when it's sex toy stench And how do you bring that up? You can't bring that up to her be like no so about that insulting like you Really that you gave me about About you stanky sex No, I'm just realizing I've like created my own Unknowing theme of like just really gross topic. I don't know how this happened We've all been pulled from like twisty to like just

Fowl rank. It's awesome. I love that word. This is pretty on brand. I guess yeah I love it. I always kind of ends up some more gross. I'm here for it So she's like well, this is gross. It has a nasty smell. And for while she ignored it because duh, but then after while she was like, no, I need to like either get rid of this or like see what's going on.

So she lifts a lid of the box, opens it up, which must have been the most like stressful moment of, honestly. Yeah, it just sounds disgusting to think about. So she lifted the lid on this box of gross smelling sex toys and inside was not sex toy. Was a dillet now. Was the end. What? Told you. You're like the twist is there's no twist. Which is it's just a nasty lady. Yeah, just smelly sex toys. That's the twist here today. So gross. Thanks for listening. Come check out my show. Yeah, no. Keep it weird, but not so weird though.

Yeah, that's built for that, I think. It will be. So inside, she actually finds a severed head. Oh, I knew it. A head. A head. So hoping for a head. Which is pretty much the only other possible option, I think, that would be in this box. Any other, something that's worse, the only thing that's worse than this makes sense. You're right. You're right.

Is this severed head? Arguably, like, equally as bad, but probably worse. But probably slightly worse. Slightly. So she finds his head, it's in an advanced state of Decomp, and she apparently suffers a panic attack. Like, that's in the news. They're like, she had like a full blown panic attack, which I was like, makes sense.

Yeah. You're like saying. Me too. Exactly. So she apparently called police right away, and they came and they looked at this head, it was an advanced state of Decomp, and, appeared to have been boiled in water and then wrapped in either foil or wrapping paper, which slightly different materials, but one of the two. And they were like, well, where did you get this box?

So obviously she's like, well, I'll tell you where I got this fucking box. And they determined that the head belonged to Maria, her neighbor's partner, and his name was 67-year-old Haysu's Maria. And he had been missing since February. And I guess they had found him. So in a big way. I was really hoping they would show up and be like, what's in the box? That's all I thought. Maybe they did. I thought I was thinking of what's in the box. That's actually where that originated.

Yes. Yeah. A little known fact. Yeah. According to Hazus' cousin, quote, first she told us, so he had gone missing in February this guy. And Maria had told his family all sorts of excuses. So apparently, quote, first she told us, so he had gone missing in February this guy. And Maria had told his family, like all sorts of excuses.

So apparently, quote, first she told us he had gone on holiday. When we called his cell phone and got no answer, she told us that the phone had broken after it fell in the bath. So then she gave us another phone number from which we received text messages, but we didn't think it was him given the way they were written. So they asked the person on the other end of this new phone number like, can you send us an audio message or call us to like prove that it's you and the person just kept saying no, I like don't have time to send an audio message and they were like well okay this is definitely not him. She was catfishing that. Exactly, exactly. And they were like we

know that's not you. So it was just super sketchy. And so they got no response and they'd actually reported him missing earlier that year. So One question Maria told the Spanish civil guard that she had contacted her partner through WhatsApp and she's like, oh no Hey, this is before they found the head and she's like, oh no, like I've been talking to him through WhatsApp Like he's fine and they were like, okay, can you like give us your phone so we can like look at the messages and see if we can trace them And she's like, oh actually, I just dropped it in the toilet and they were like, okay, can you like give us your phone so we can like look at the messages and see if we can trace them. And she's like, oh, actually, I just dropped it in the toilet. And they were like, okay. They're like real convened. Yeah. Which is like, what?

You guys are really clumsy, both of you, I guess. So they were like, this is clearly something fishy is going on. So then obviously they find this fucking head. And the woman who found it, they were like were like well why did you take this box and which is a very fair question. I don't know how to say no. I don't I mean I get it lady I get it. Lesson lesson and saying no for sure. No and honestly I'm like maybe next time I'll just think of a story and be like,

imagine the possibilities of what's happened. It's like exposure therapy. Yes, exposed you to the worst case scenario. Now you're like, you know what? Now I'll say never again. Never again. Never again. Yeah, apparently she refused to like,

that'll change you. And they, you know what, she refused to put her name in any of the articles and I was like, oh God poor lady is probably like fuck. Like I missed a big time. So she's up the time. She's not named anywhere. She doesn't want anyone showing up in her drawer with like a box of sex. Oh yeah, you're just a person. I know you'll take these. That's a good point. I actually didn't think of it that way. So they were like, well why'd you take this box? And she said, oh well, Maria said that she needed me to hold

on to this box of sex toys, quote, in case police searched her home in relation to the disappearance of her partner. And she's like, oh, it would just be embarrassing if the police found my sex toys. So like, can you hold on to it? I like this poor lady didn't know that was like literally the remains of the person they were looking for. Never would have guessed.

No. And so 61-year-old Maria Del Carmen was arrested, trellily thereafter. She is now facing homicide charges. And she created this whole story after this to explain herself. And she says that Jesus' head was dropped off at her doorstep after he went missing in February.

And they were like, well, then why didn't you call the police? And she was like, well well his head was the only Momento I had to remember him by gave it to my neighbor like you know I love John you know if that's the only Momento I have I'm gonna let it go yeah I'll find a picture yeah yeah a photo what's app will be enough for to talk to you

I'm trying to picture. Yeah, yeah, a photo, what's app will be enough to talk to you? Yeah, I think I'm not gonna hang one to that. Once you put your phone in some rice, just download the exact pictures and you'll be in the tick. Oh, man. There's like a cloud, I'm sure, for WhatsApp. Yeah.

Wow, whatever romantic. I know. And so they were like, well, we don't really believe that because you also just gave it to your neighbor for six months. And yeah, so. But okay. They're policed and buy it. Like, I don't think this is gonna fly in neighbor for six months. And yeah, so the police didn't buy it. Like, I don't think this is gonna fly in court

for obvious reasons. And unfortunately, they've never found the rest of Hazus' body, but the latest update is they are searching his property, the properties he owned to see if they can find the rest of his remains. So on our next twisty part two, I'll let you know if we're figuring that one out.

Yes, twisty part two. Yeah, obviously. Because now I want to know two. We need to name this episode twisty at part two I'll let you know if you have for that one. Yes, twisty part two. Yeah, seriously. Because now I want to know two. We need to name this episode twisty. Twisty. That's it. Just twisty. Period.

Period. It's on this all. It is very obvious. Can the wrapping paper retrace or something like that? Look into that shit. Look at how like doing that deal with that. I like it has to get in place. Let me tell you what to do

That's a good point, but she'd probably she'd probably tell you like I wrapped it in beautiful paper because I just it was so important to me and I wanted to Preserve it was a gift in Christmas paper right? It was a gift. What did I do? She get it? Yeah, so that's a very meaningful Wow, those were my weird, such late night stories that I stumbled upon, listicle. Those were perfect though. Those are really weird. I'm glad you liked them.

The first one is kind of anti-climactic, so I wanted to bring a head into the picture. But it was anti-climactic in the best way. But that's exactly what I was gonna say. Yeah, anyway, we were all wrong. I feel like I'm glad though. I was happy for the ending that we got. Not happy, but like glad that nobody got boiled.

Because we just felt like there's no liquid Matthew. Yeah, yeah. That was a silver wire. That we know of. I still think whoever wrote that little scavenger hunt thing was unloading something. I think yeah. Maybe they need to check underneath that church

because there might be some secret hiding down there. I think that is a good point. I think they need to look underneath that church because there might be some secret hiding down there. I think that is a good point. I think they need to look in the church kitchen. Oh. See what's going on in there? Yes. Look in those big, like, props and pants. Check all the props and pants.

Because I think there was some feelings being put on paper there. Being disguised as a game. It's just like a starving artist struggling poets. It was. I know that. It was just my a starving artist struggling poems. You know that lately. It's just my art. Just try to express myself. We're like, I still don't understand.

Now you're saying like that. I like that. You're all in Poe. So in my century. For children. For the youth. Oh boy. I'm nervous to follow that up. Now those were good.

No, no, I want to hear your, I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm nervous to follow that up now. Those were good. No, no, I want to hear you're I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm like, you're gonna drink my wine and listen up. Okay, perfect. So I got together. It's like two pages. So it's like long-ish, but not really at all. Yeah. Perfect. So, yeah. Christine, you the light you have right now is making you look like a angel. I can't. It's actually like, you need to take like a little photo to make it into a shoe. You guys, I am so sweaty. I'm like, I just feel so gross right now.

So that you've never made that. You know, I'm like, are you sure? I feel like you're really are. It's true. No, you look great. You're glowing. I just can't lift my arms because there's definitely sweat going on.

So I was freeze really, really still. Thank you, though. If I didn't have a tank top on right now, I would be in the same boat. Same thing. But I appreciate it. Thank you so much. So I did the murder of Dorothy Jane Scott.

Dorothy. This sounds familiar, but I don't remember it. I had never heard of this one. I looked on a list and I was like, oh, that one will work. Oh, great. We love a good list. Oh my god, what if I've covered this? And I'm just like,

I've never heard of this. That's gonna be a very cool one. So I checked Spotify to see if you guys did and I don't think that you did. Okay, good. The name sounds really fucking familiar, but I could just be making that up. I did some very brief search to see if you did.

And also, like every, sorry, I've ever covered I don't remember, so it doesn't even matter. Because say it. I'll hear it for the first time right now. People will be like, I loved that episode you did on like so and so. I'm like, I didn't know. But, yeah, exactly. Always.

Or there was one recently, I think it was actually the one we did, where we had Billy Jensen on. We covered the Karina homework. Yeah. By the way, I meant to message you guys like holy shit. But. Talk about like fan girl. I covered that one a while ago That's that's a great. Yeah, but somebody was somebody messaged out or somebody commented on was like

I thought you guys had already covered this and like what in a couple of people did and I was like Oh, shit, and I like went back. I was like And we didn't we're good because when you get to like a hundred and I don't know what we're out But like a hundred and something you're like wait that was like literally two years ago. Yeah no I would this how this is like our biggest fear that we're we're gonna like redo a story and it's not even necessarily like oh we'll do the same story twice but it's like why did I just do the notes all over again? Exactly. That's why I already had notes on. I could find them somewhere. Come on!

Right. Oh god well we did Crenoholmore recently maybe that was like the similarity or something that might have been probably because it's stressed to me. And that's scary. That is really frightening. Yeah. For a brief moment, I was like, well, now we did it twice. We really wanted to do it, Justice.

Yeah, that's fine. We just really liked that one. Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, let's find out if you've covered Dorothy. Okay. I can't promise I'll know by the end, but we'll see. Whatever works.

She was a 32 year old single mother and this was in 1980. Her son, Sean, was four years old. And his dad, like, wasn't really in the picture. They had Sean and then it seems like he kind of just dipped after that. So that's what kind of son. Yeah. Dorothy and Sean lived with Dorothy's aunt, Shonti in Stanton, California.

So she by all accounts was like a super sweet lady with like a very casual life. She didn't really have an enemy that anybody could think of. Like everybody was like, no, she's like literally the nicest lady ever. Which is always the case and it's so sad. I know. It's like that's not how the world should be working No, I thought when you said she had a very casual life. I thought you were saying that so castically She's actually a sword swarmer. She was wild in all over

She was like anti-wilden Whatever that is she would know she was anti-wilden. She was just taking care of her son and working She like went to church a lot. She was wild tie wild and she was just taking care of her son and working. She went to church a long. So she was wild in light. Yeah, yeah. She was diet wild in. Diet wild in. Oh my God.

That's what we're doing in quarantine. It's diet wild in. Yeah. But I feel like I'm doing everything. I love that. I actually really relate to that. Yeah. Right? I feel like that needs to be a shirt. I like it. We actually like really relate to that. Yeah

Right. I feel like that needs to be a shirt. I like it. We need to make them. T.M. T.M. Yeah, you guys need to do it I was just gonna say you know why we're into it. Yes cross over merch. Oh, yeah, that's a great idea I actually wanted to buy one of your sorry. This is like so off topic, but I went on your Merch today and I was like holy shit Something because I've seen some of them on Instagram and I went and looked and I was like you guys have fucking beautiful stuff on that Murder apparel say I want to buy one of those sweatshirts. They look so cozy. Oh They look so cozy if you ordered them like two sizes bigger you can wear them with like Leggings and they're so come That's what I was gonna do. I was like, that looks like the coziest thing ever.

So okay, I'll do that after we get off. That's really is. It really is. Use code morbid. Yeah, I was gonna say this is promo. Go buy their merch. It's really dope. Right.

Where was that? Okay, so she was, I don't know, I'm sorry. You're fine. She was anti wild and that's where we were. Right, right. It's really, it was working at Swinger's Psych Shop, which sounds like a wild place. But really, they just sold like lava lamps and like candles and stuff like that.

Oh, okay. Sounds like my kind of place. It's pretty wild. I mean, yeah. She was a secretary there and she worked in like the back office. And then she also worked at Custom John's head shop, which I think her dad owned part of the Swinger's Psych shop. He owned, I literally just remembered this one. From that, he remembered. Yeah, I think we did this really like a few months ago, but I don't remember what happens,

but I remember, I just don't want to know what you totally will. I don't want people to get on Instagram, be like, you've already fucking told this, like you're pretending you don't know. I literally don't want to know what you totally will. I don't want people to like get on Instagram, be like, you've already fucking told this, like, you're pretending you don't know. I literally don't remember, but I do know that I've talked about it before, but this isn't good. I don't. I love it. It was pre-quarantine. It was pre-quarantine, so I don't remember much that happened before. It was a different time. It was a different time.

Everything PQ is no envoy to. The actual void is diet. PQ is a different two. Was wild in, this is diet wild in. This is where it's very different sodas. Yes, very different sodas. Yes. So her dad owned part of, I don't know if he owned part of the head shop or if he owned part of the swing or psych shop.

I think it was the psych shop, but it was hard to tell. But also, it doesn't. It doesn't make a huge difference at the story. Um, also, but also, what? But also, it's Posh. He owned it, doesn't it? He were lava lamps, whatever. It's all good.

So custom johns was a general store, and then like I said, lava lamps, cool beads at the psych shop. When she was working, her parents would watch her son because and they only lived 20 minutes away from each other so it was like a really good setup. They could watch her kid, she could pick him up and go home and it wouldn't be like too long. Like I said, she liked going to church and all that stuff and she dated here and there, but not super often. So like she wasn't dating anybody

seriously at the time of all of this stuff that I'm about to tell you. So, Shiko's down as it always does. And basically out of nowhere, she's all the times hits the fan, yeah. It's flying. So literally like out of nowhere, she started getting these super like freaky calls from someone. Oh. And eventually she tells her family that the voice does sound familiar, but she can't figure out exactly who it was. She's like, I know I know this voice, but I can't figure out who it is. Which is my worst nightmare. Yeah. It's terrifying. It's like who is calling me. I don't like that at all. And the guy on the other line never said his name obviously. He just said the most terrifying thing. He wasn't like, hey it's Ted. She's like,

I can't figure out who it is. It's like it's Ted. It's crazy. He's like, it's talking Ted. I'm here to scare you. That connection. What? He sounded familiar. It's so weird. Yeah, so we know, she never found out who he was. And one second, he would be telling her like how much he loved and adored her. And then the next second, he'd be threatening her life. So, uh, Christ, the calls lasted for months and months. Oh. Yeah, the calls lasted for months and they got more grim, everything was frozen.

Wait, what'd you say? Are you frozen? Oh no, she's. You were frozen, you were frozen. Oh no, it was frozen. Oh oh god we love the zoom you were frozen fun so the calls are getting more grim and at one point he and their lasting like this has been going on for months and they're starting to get

crazier crazier and he tells her at one point that he got her gift and to go look outside oh fuck, fuck no. Which is box of sex toys. No. Exactly. Full circle. It's either a severed head in wrapping paper. It's not good.

It's a deal, though. Right, either way, it's not what you want. It's not a gift for Colombe. It's a Colombe. It was a dead rose sitting on her car on her windshield. Which is like symbolic, horrible, rude take it back. That's so much. I think this is so theatrical.

It's so theatrical. I'd be like, you're such a thespian, Mara. Very lifetime movie. Like when I was writing this, I was like, is this real though? Like, am I getting lied to right now? Is this really sad? It really sounds like a lifetime movie? Yeah, right.

Yeah. And it's like, bro, did you just let a rose with her and die? Like, specifically for us? That's what I was thinking. Oh my god, I literally just remember telling him this fucking story because they were like, so did they like find a dead rose? Or did they like kill the rose?

That was the same question. I was like, oh god, I don't know. There you go. I was like, maybe they went through the trash and found it, but also it's not very romantic. I don't know. This person sounds committed to like watching that rose die and then tracing it on the windshield

and being like, that will give. Look what I made you. I creep out. So she looks outside and she's like, I don't want that. Bye. And he was also, that's actually a direct quote from the stage. I don't want that. Bye.

He was, and bye, he got to go. He's somewhere like, oh, nuts. Oh, damn it. I'll try again with a carnation next week. This is pre-Google. You couldn't like Google romantic gift list. Like that's just figure it out by yourself. And he wasn't very good at it.

Clearly he was gonna follow his schedule though, because he knew what time of day, what time she started her day. He knew when her day ended in like every detail in between. He'd be like, you went to lunch at this time and like ate this and like all this creepy stuff. I made that up, but like he knew details. Always try to switch up your schedule. We always say that. Always be wilded.

Always be wilded. Then they won't catch you because if you're wilded and it's with a group and you're good, sis. That's my game. That's how I live my life. That me too. And you never what, I don't know if I'm using it correctly. I'll let you go. I'll let you know. Oh, you neither.

I'll let you know. You never wild the same way twice. I feel like. I don't know. That's what I say. That's what we do. That's what we do. We are AQ after quarantine now.

So we're exactly. There you go. We're exactly. We're mid quarantine. It's not diet wild and it's wild and zero, like Coke zero. Oh shit. Like crystal wild and super rare. I like crystal wild and super rare.

Super rare. Oh, there's Elena. It sounds like drugs. I love it. I know a lot about drugs. Don't worry about it. It's crystal wild and It makes her cry. I like have like a little bit of tears coming out of my eyes.

I can't tell if this is sweat or tears. It's probably both. It makes your bones. That's what I did. It's a wonderful mixture. Yeah, it's great. So, yep. He knew her whole schedule, knew what she was doing all day.

And at one point, he called her and said, quote, when I get you alone, I will cut you into bits, and no one will ever find you. What the fuck? No. So he goes from like watching roses going to kill you. It's not a bueno. In one article I found... I'd be like that escalated quickly. It really did. In one article I found on medium, it was written by Kim L. Pasqualeini. Sorry if I messed that up. That is what's called Pasqualeini. What's that girl?

What's going on? I love it. That was the call that really freaked Dorothy out to the point that she started taking self-defense classes. You don't say? Yeah. I did it. So, wow.

She starts taking a little do it. Self-defense classes and she even considered buying a gun at this point just like for protection. Oh, God. I do not believe in her for no. Fortunately, she never had the chance to get that gun. Oh no! Dorothy! This is where it gets twisty, Tony. This is just like a crazy twist in the story.

So on the night of May 28th, Dorothy was on a meeting for the psych shop when she glanced at her coworker Conrad. And she's like, wow, Conrad does not look so hot. Like what is going on? He's like, he has this red circle on his arm and it looks all swollen and he just looks very uncomfortable and not good. So she's like, what's up Conrad? Like I think we should take you to the hospital. So her and her coworker named Pam decide to take him to the ER together. But remember, Dorothy's parents were watching Sean. So on the way to the ER, they

stopped because there was no cell phones at that time. And they were, she just like let them know what was going on. She like dropped in really quick was like, hey, we're going to the hospital. And while she was stepping outside, she changed the scarf that she was wearing. So she changed it from a red, or from a black scarf to a red scarf That will be important for this is so ominous. It is so ominous So she swapped out the scarves and then they're on the way their way Um if I saw that in a movie, I'd be like that's too much It's simple. Yeah, this is too cliche. I'd be like all right. She wouldn't do that. What lifetime calm down

It's the road to the scar. The road to yeah. And then this is this is lifetime as fuck because Conrad gets treated for a black widow spider bite. Oh god. That's why he was anti-wilded. You know what? I'm like I'm starting to remember this and it's just as scary as it was when I first heard about it but the spider-right thing too, I remember because my husband works in an ER and like, he always says he's like, everyone comes in thinking they have a spider bite,

it's never a spider bite, it's always like, dermatitis or something and they're like, it's like half the time the zit and people are fused to believe it. That would be so embarrassing. Yeah, people like constantly think they have spider-rights and he's like, the time the Zit and people are feasts of a leave it. Wow, I would be so embarrassed. Yeah, people like constantly think they have spider rights and he's like it drives me crazy. It's like the one thing that like it's all coming all the time and it like so rarely happens. So when I read this I was like, Blase, you wouldn't believe this.

There actually was. I was like, okay, wait. Because he's like, why does everyone think spiders are just like waiting around to bite you? I'll just like trying to kill Everyone right everyone's just getting bitten by some are those because last night at like it I think it was like 1 a.m. I stayed up super late last night and I crawled to bed and we live in like the upstairs Addick so you know how like ceilings are slanted you can see this Motherfucking giant ass spider is just crawling on the ceiling over my head

I pushed Annie out of bed and ran to the other side of the room that she was like what the fuck like what did you just do? I was like you need to do I made Annie kill it. Oh good. Okay. I was like one of you has to do it But it was so scary because you have to kill it like so Carefully or else it's gonna fall on our bed. Falling in the bed. On my fucking side. Yeah, I don't know how I went to sleep last night. It took a long time. Set a bonfire on the backyard and burn everything. It's just a long procedure.

The thing was like this big too. And it was one of those brown like woodland fucking creatures. Oh, those are, yeah, no good. I'm gonna tell. Yeah, no, those are okay. I got like hives thinking about it. I can sell. I'm gonna tell Blaze about it. I mean like I found another spider bite

So I guess you're not always a potential Potential Well, that's like see but I will take those spiders no over the house synapids I won't take either. I don't want to bargain No, you remember the house synapied in my house the night that you were here the night We almost woke John up at 2 a.m. To kill the lane Oh, literally was like I was ready to pack my bags and sell that thing the house Yeah, I would be like it's yours now just just give it a moment where I was gonna give it my kids

I was gonna give it my house anything I wanted just like sacrifice Everything take what you want like I'm leaving my Yeah, we grew up with those centipedes, and they, like my mom would be like, no, they're healthy. They eat cockroaches. And I was like, I don't care what they eat. We don't have roaches. Right, I was like, she's like, that's

because the centipedes eat them. And I was like, this is getting worse for me. Oh, look at me like, no, this is a little bit. And then when you put, like, one time my friend was over and she put her shoe on, and it like crawled out and her shoe broke her like, no. I was like, I'm never, to this day, I empty my shoes out. Yes, honestly.

Oh my gosh. The other day, I came home. I started like, seriously. You texted me. I'm not from this. I have trauma from this, and I wasn't even there. I had just worked at the board, so I came home. Oh God, yeah.

We have a whole thing where I come in to the mudroom, and John hands me a robe, and I take everything off and put it in a plastic bag where I come in to the mudroom and John hands me a robe and I take everything off and put it in a plastic bag and I rush up to the shower so that I'm not tracking COVID throughout the house. And so I run up there and so I got everything together and then John was taking the kids, I think just like out to a park somewhere. And so I go to pull the shower curtain back and there are two

oh how centipedes what do they want they were in it together and one of them fell on the ground and I just took the nearest thing I had and I just pulverized it on the ground like it didn't exist anymore when I was done but then I couldn't get and you made it watch the other one. I myself to like pull the curtain back. So I just texted John and I was standing in my robe. Like in the kitchen texting him being like, I can't do it. Like you need to come home. You need to get it for me. Elena texted me and she goes, I'm taking a sponge bath.

Wanna know why? And I was like, what was that? Oh my god. I was like, no. No. I was like, no. In the downstairs bathroom, I just stood there and like, spunged myself off just to go in. Because I was like, I! In the downstairs bathroom, I just stood there and like, spunged myself off just to go in.

Because I was like, I'm not going to wear that. I know because like on the one hand, it's like COVID. On the other hand, it's like, Senopees. This is all equally bad. It's like, it's a good choice. It's really something out there. I just told Jon I was like, I gave it the bathroom.

So I don't know what to tell you. We don't want to do it now. We're like, we don't have a shower anymore. But we've got this downstairs toilet. We've got a sponge And now I can't go in the shower without having him check first because now I'm trying to spy it I mean, that's you guys this is a twisty turnie episode I'm like on it right now. I feel like there's like I wish you on my My feet are like on the floor and it's freaking me out.

I'm like, is something gonna crawl on my foot now? I just took my socks off too. They move so fast. Dangerous. They move so fast. Oh. All right. Thanks guys.

We'll get back to the story. It's a make us feel better, question mark. Can't wait to get with it later. Oh, I don't know. So where was it? Okay, so he had a black widow spider-writers. Yeah, right. So he gets treated for that and they provide him like a prescription. I don't know what you get for that. Christine, do you know? A blaze says it's nothing. I don't know. So I guess I'll have to call. We give you a slap on the ass until you're good luck. Get some zit cream and go home. You'll be fine. Well, they gave Conrad a prescription. Somehow he walked out of there with one.

I'm sure you probably do have to get to look for an actual black with a place that he's fine. He's like, he's like acting like I'm like the worst PA in the world. He gets sued for malpractice after this. Yeah. Boop.

Everyone who comes in, he's like, ah, you're fine. So, my bad. Pam and Conrad decided that they were gonna go grab the prescription because the pharmacy was like, like, right there. And Dorothy was like, I have to go to the bathroom. I'm gonna run to the bathroom. And then I will pull the con. No doors, I know.

No. She shouldn't have been going anywhere alone, like not victim blaming, but like, oh. Yeah. Yeah, people should have been like, no, no. And don't go alone. Yes. And I'm pretty sure it was late at night too, because I read somewhere. I only read it in one source, so I wasn't going to say, I'm a fuck it.

I read one place that this meeting was at 9 p.m. Because it was probably after the store closed. So this is like, later at night. Yeah, that makes sense. So she's like, I got a pee, then I'll pull the car around. So, Pam and Conrad go get the prescription, like it doesn't take that long and then they come out and Pam or Dorothy isn't there yet with the car. So they wait like 20 minutes and she's still not there. So they're like, oh no. What the fuck? So they kind of like start like walking around looking

for her and all of a sudden Dorothy's white station wagon. It was a Toyota station wagon come zipping around the corner like flying full um what's it called? Hide beams are on and it just drives right past them and takes a right out of the parking lot and fucking disappears into the night. I don't think that was Dorothy. It wasn't. I just feel like it's not Dorothy. I told you she was not wild and like that. Right. We know. Someone's wild. She used to drive this speed limit. We know it. We know it So they're like what just happened, but then they're like very weird. I know But then they're like okay, maybe she had some kind of like family emergency She has like a younger son. So maybe she just had to get there and she couldn't tell us

So they like wait for her at the hospital for two hours before calling anybody which I'm like Like I'm dying of a spider bite like I just want to go home. I need to take my prescription I'd like to shower like I gotta eat a piece of bread with this There's no vending machines at this hospital. What am I gonna take this with? So The blending machines at this hospital, what am I gonna take this with? So, they're like, yeah, like something's wrong. So they call Donna's parents and they're like, hey, like, what's up? Like, what's the family emergency? You're like, what's the tea? And they're like, what's the tea?

The tea. And they're like, what? They're like, what are you talking about? Like, we thought that she was with you at the hospital. Like, she hasn't come home. Oh, God. So they call the police. Like she hasn't come home. Oh God. So they call the police. And I read in one source that the police were like,

oh, like she'll be home. So like that's cool. That's great. Yeah, I did it if the police are just like, she'll be home. It didn't say that directly, but it said that they like, they didn't treat it like they were too worried about.

Yeah. So hold on, I totally lost my place again. Okay, so nothing came that night. Like Dorothy didn't come home and they didn't get any calls or anything. But the next day at 4.30am, Dorothy station wagon was found and it had been set on fire and was parked in a back alleyway in Santa Ana. Oh, fuck, that's weird. So then, this is normal. Yeah, I know. I would question that.

And if that's not about enough, Vera, it's Vera or Vera. It's V-E-R-A-S Dorothy's mom. I think that's Vera. Vera, that's what I would say. I just, this is like so weird. But literally two days ago, I was reading a story from my YouTube thing and it was sent in by someone named Vera or Vera.

And I kept saying it in place. It's like, it's Vera. And I was like, we had a whole conversation about how to pronounce Blades was like, it's Vera, and I was like, we had a whole conversation about how to pronounce this name. I think it's Vera. I think it's Vera. Okay, we're gonna be able to sing it for the whole time, but yeah.

It's hard. Pronunciation is real hard as we all know. It is. We're gonna say Vera. It's hard. That sounds right. We all know that pronunciation is not our strongest. Just ask Napperville.

No, I- Oh, I- Do you know what? I listened toville Oh, I Do you know what I listened to that episode and then I was like oh no They got because I'm from the Midwest and I was like they got shit on for that I bet you I bet you really I literally went on Instagram to see and then of course everyone was like freaking out and I was like we still Got messages to this day about that. Oh, I I need to put a warning before that episode that's like, I know. We know. We know.

Or like, thank you for your concern. I pronounce a lot of things wrong. I'm a college dropout. It's fine. It's so nice. We are all podcasters. We fuck up shit all the time. It's not.

It's normal. It's part of our job. All right. So the car is on fire, like everything else in the world today. And then Vera, Dorothy's mom gets a call. And the man on the phone says, are you related to Dorothy? And she's like, yep. And he goes, I've got her and hangs up.

Oh, no. Hey, that's all he says. She verifies. Immediately hangs up the phone. So Vera obviously gets her mom mother. It's her mom. Fuck. Oh, that just hurt my heart. Yeah. So she calls the police like right away to tell them what's going on. And the police tell Jacob who's Dorothy's father and Vera the mom to keep everything super quiet because they're worried about details of the case getting leaked because obviously that makes it harder. Like when you're interviewing suspects, like,

oh sure, you know, they don't want anybody hearing like minor details because then it's like you could lie about it. As we all know, I think he'd be close to the chest. So I thought, I love when you say that. So Vera and Jacob did listen for like a little bit but then nothing was happening and Dorothy wasn't coming home. So Jacob was like, fuck this, I'm going to the newspaper. Like I want this out everywhere.

Like I want people looking for her. Sure. So. And also they kept getting these phone calls every Wednesday. The caller would always call on Wednesday and like, taunt them and be like, is Dorothy home? Oh my God.

What a fucking asshole. Seriously. Like so fucked up. So he goes to the newspaper, Jacob goes to the newspaper. It's the Santa Ana register, and they agree to write a story on Dorothy's case. So the next day they run the story in the paper. And the editor of the paper, Pat Riley, gets a call that

says, I killed Dorothy Scott. She was my love. I caught her cheating with another man. She denied having someone else. I killed her. Oh, shit. I don't think makes sense. It makes no sense. It's a very disproportionate response to the question. And if that wasn't bad enough, that's like a direct quote, but there's no other direct quotes. But he went on to say things that only the killer would have known. He knew the color of the scarf that she was wearing. And the scarf.

The scarf. She changed it. So it's like, yeah. Even if like somebody had said that before, if they were like, oh, what color was her scarf, they probably would have said black because she hadn't changed to the red one yet. And he knew about Conrad's spider bite, which it's like the only people that wouldn't know about that was Pam Dorothy and like the doctors and obviously no fucking doctors came out. So Pat calls the police and but unfortunately the killer always hangs up too soon so there's no way to trace these calls. Of

course. So then they they keep getting the calls on Wednesdays. Like, for years and years and years, they got these calls on Wednesdays. Years, years, four years after Dorothy's disappearance on August 6th, her remains were found. And her remains were, they were found by a construction worker who also found them next to, the remains of a dog. So she was like her

remains and then a dog's remains right next to her like they were clearly it was related together. What the fuck? Oh Jesus. And she was wearing a turquoise ring that like that's how they identified her and a watch that the time had stopped on May 29th at 12 a.m. Oh shit. So that was like hours before her car was found. Oh damn. Oh God. Right after they found that their daughter's remains had been found,

Jacob and Vera got two more calls that said is Dorothy home. What? This is so twisted. I've like, so fucked up. Goosebumps. This is twisty the clown. Yeah, like the yon extra So like I said they keep getting these calls and then finally I guess he would call like in the daytime like when Vera was home alone

Which is like even scary and he would be able to say like what Vera was wearing and stuff like that So obviously he started stalking her too. Oh my god. Can you imagine living that way? No? No Actually, I went downstairs the other night to get like a midnight snack He started stalking her too. Oh my god. Can you imagine living that way? No, absolutely not. Oh actually I went downstairs the other night to get like a midnight snack and I never go downstairs without any because right now I'm at Annie's house and I'm like I don't want to get downstairs without you and I finally got the courage up to do it and as I'm walking down the stairs I get an unknown caller Who got me at midnight? I was like what the fuck and they called two times in a row when I was like I'm oh no, thank you Mm-hmm. No thanks. Did they leave a message? No, thank God. I don't really my I think my voice mailbox is full

I wish it was like this is CVS because I'm like okay, why would I always get like unknown? I don't know That actually doesn't make it much better Your prescription is one ready all day That actually doesn't make it much better. Your Christmas scripture does not make it much better. Or it's been ready all day. Could be. I wish it was one of those things where you win a free cruise and it's like, Woo!

I don't even know what that is. You've never gotten one of those calls. No! And it just does this like fog horn all of a sudden. Well that's fucking awful. My girlfriend is so mad. So mad. No one mad I've never

wanted free crews. Maybe we might have sent this piece of my, set it up for your birthday or something. I wish that's what it was man. Well, I'll never know what it was. Watch their gonna call again. Oh, now I just don't know. I don't know. So yeah, so the her remains were found and then they got two more calls and I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Don't put that in the universe. So yeah, so her remains were found and then they got two more calls and the calls finally stopped one night when Vera answered the phone and the caller must have said like, are you related to Dorothy? And she was like, oh, you have the wrong number.

And they never called again. What? Isn't that called again? That was it. That's what she had to do. Be like, yeah, I don't know who you are. So I read one article where they were like, maybe he thought that like they moved or that they changed their phone number because of everything. So he was like, oh, I can't keep calling

this one. I mean, the big things like, doesn't really make any sense because if he was stalking, he'd know. He's like watching, but they could have changed their phone number without him realizing. That's true. That's true. That's true. So yeah. The issue is that there was like no suspects in this case because like I said before, Dorothy didn't have any enemies. Like she very much kept to herself and did her own thing. Sean's dad was looked at like very briefly, but he had been living in Missouri and his

alibi was like completely tight. Like it was, it wasn't him. Yeah. And like I said, the case has gone cold, but a lot of Dorothy's friends and actually even her son, Sean now, believes that the killer was this guy named Mike Butler. Mike's sister worked with Dorothy at the, what was it called?

The swingers. Yeah. So what, basically, they think that that's how he always knew what Dorothy was doing and what she was wearing and all that. Usually asking a sister? I guess so, or he would like stop by or something. Or picking her up or something, yeah, that's true. Because everybody said that he was really unhealthily

obsessed with Dorothy. he like was very Do it I was gonna they go boom Exactly and they said that he was a very unstable guy and he was rumored to be involved in cult activity Which is interesting because if you think about it she was found next to like a dead dog So that happens a lot in cult animal sacrifices. But unfortunately, again, Mike passed away in 2014 according to an article I read by Brenda Thornlow. And Dorithe's parents have also passed away.

But her son, Sean, is like really determined to get just a son. Oh, Sean. What about us? He likes Sean. And it's time to try and figure out who did this. But he's really dead set that it was the guy Mike. You know, I like, I remember this vaguely now.

I mean, I definitely like, my reactions were very genuine because I really forgot this. I can imagine like, your great actress. I can't act that well, yeah. But I remember the guy Mike Butler, was that his name? Yep. Yeah. So I remember reading too that like, that's why they think maybe his voice was familiar,

like if he had stopped by the store once or twice and she like didn't know him well, but she's like, I've heard the voice before. Exactly. That makes us so creepy. I think that seems to be the best case scenario, or not best case scenario, but the best lead. No, I want Sean to know for sure now. Yeah, I know. I want him to listen to that.

How do we do this? Like Sean, can we help you? I know, that's the thing. There was no evidence. And I think it obviously doesn't help that it was in the 80s because it's like, you can't spray something. And the car was set on fire fire so you can't get any prints

or anything. So I can't investigation and crime scene techniques, but very differently on par with today's. So that was our twisty turnie can. Damn. That was twisty. I got some shivers there and like I said I'm sitting underneath the sunlight. I know. Fucking hot. So you're still, your stories too were like so good. And how do you sit under that heavenly sunlight?

Yeah. Still burning my writtenness. But you look great. Exactly. Thanks. Oh my gosh. This was so much fun. I know this was so fun. Thanks for having me. I'm sorry to have a part two. Yeah, we need a part two.

Maybe with all four of us. I was going to say, we should do a big party. Yes. That would be fun. We'll do it on your show next time. Oh, yeah, that would be fun. If we were figure out how to use Zoom to record, we'll definitely let you know.

We tried. We recorded it yesterday. And I don't want to jigs it But like I'm pretty sure we finally got it solved because as you know, I've had some computer issues So hopefully we've like figured it out But I don't want to speak too soon cuz you never know you never know it's hard I mean this zoom thing man like John was saying this morning that if he had a job that required him to be on zoom He would have just quit on as yeah

Like sometimes glaze goes on it and just turns the screen off and sits there and I'm like I'm like I'm you're supposed to be like on and he's like I don't want to be and I'm like he's like okay well I love what I see like people's names in a zoom meeting it but you would like obviously don't see their face I'm like I want to do that but like we're not allowed to. How come? I know it's not fair. I should have done that when I told my story I'm like you don't look at me. Just goodbye. I mean girls don't look at me. Don't look at me. Well that was like this morning my four-year-olds had like their Zoom preschool class.

It's so cute to watch that. It's hilarious to watch. I would hand on him. Precious. And off the terrifying ass. And I usually just like set them up and then like I go take care of you know the youngest or something And I'm like alright just don't say anything that's gonna get me arrested. Right, it's gonna be careful. Like when it popped up as more but a true crime podcast. Oh my god.

Did it really happen a couple of weeks ago? I didn't change the thing. And like the teachers were like oh look okay. You're so weird. And it was just like the next one and my oh look, okay, you're working. And my best friend texted me and was like, yeah, it says more of an issue crime podcast under your cute kids faces. And I was like, my, it's the morbid twins.

I was like, precious. That's why my kids don't get played at this right now. Some day they'll thank you. They'll be like, yeah, we're cool now. Yeah. This is where you're going to college. I'm so sorry. Today, they did a thing where they went through everybody

and they were like, you know, little, you know, blah, blah, blah. What's your favorite animal? And they all have to say their favorite animal. And so they get to my kids who I like to figure intelligent little folks. No, they are. They always are.

I'm sure they are. And one of them goes, they're like, all right, what's your favorite animal? And she goes, a lemon. Ha ha ha. OK, is that why I kept getting tagged on Twitter? I like to have a check for people. People kept being like, is this Christina your child, Elena?

And I was like, what is going on on Twitter? Like, I missed something. It's a cross over. I was reading all of those and I was like, good thing we're gonna record with her tonight. Otherwise she'd be like, she can't. Oh, she really forgot about that. That is so, uh, see, that is a very smart child. If you ask me, I think I was like, I think she did it like on purpose. Like if I know my nieces, she did it on purpose to be like silly my nieces, that she did it on purpose. To be silly. Yeah. We need school back.

I think that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's so cute. Just like, I don't know, being silly, being creative. I like it. I'm sure her teachers, all she heard from her teachers was my husband being like, no, an animal. Like, it's just like one that's not an animal. He's like, it's one of your name of your pet. No. Then she said like cheetah or something. I was like, why? What? Like how'd you go from lemon to

cheetah? I just love kids' brains. They're so amazing. Like, to keep them under tavings. Oh, it's great to watch. Lemon. What comes out of there? I'm very happy. That makes me very happy. I'm very proud. It was so apt for today. It was apt. I swear to God. I got some and I haven't even checked but I got all these tags like it's Christine your apt. I got some, and I haven't even checked, but I got all these tags like, it's Christine your child, and I was like, what the fuck is she doing? I was like, what did she tweet about me?

Yeah, I was like, what did I do? I usually I just avoid it, because I'm like, I've probably said something terribly stupid, so I'm just ignoring it. But this one I'm actually like, what? We were like, what? Right. That's the plot twist for this whole episode.

There it is is Christine is actually my job oh shit man it doesn't work but it makes up the mic and on that actually for we hope you don't keep it that weird I'm a drunk four-year-old if it's if it's I'm calling it highly intelligent yeah I'm causing a drunk toddler all the time and it's like, so there you go. I think that's a great compliment. That just means you're a lot of fun.

See? Yeah, so much fun. You're one. You're one, wild and disgusting. Left and right. We should name this twisty wild in. And everyone would be like, I'm wild and.

Diet or what was it? Crystal twist it. Oh god, no, it's just going to be a ton. Crystal wild in white. Crystal wild in white. This is my favorite thing that came out of this. Crystal wild in white. diet or what was it crystal twisted oh god now it's just gonna be a ton crystal wild and light crystal wild this is my favorite thing that came out of this crystal wild and light like oh my god incredible wow that'll never be not funny oh well before we wrap this up Christine plug plug plug because you got all shits of good shit I don't know I feel like there's just chaos on my end but everyone just needs to hear it

I mean the main one that like we're like you know our are we're soul partners. I don't know We Have a podcast call and that's why we drink. It's a similar. We talk about spooky shit and ghosts and murder and you can find that on any podcast app And it's pretty rare. It's the best. They sell myself. I'm so honored and also What else? Oh, I have to podcast my brother. That's definitely very different But it's a comedy show where I really oh

I love it. Really? It's so much smaller, so I never know if people actually know what it is. That's called Beach She Sandwich Water 2.1. We read one-star reviews. It helps me get over my issues with people saying me things on the internet. It's brilliant. It's like a coconut. Oh, I started a YouTube channel recently. Good luck to me. Again, I'm like a grandma. I'm trying a YouTube channel recently. Yes. Good luck to me, because again, I'm like a grandma. I'm trying to figure this out, but it's called the X-Teen Files.

And I just read people's creepy crime stories, like true crime listener stories sort of. And what I like to think is a comedic fashion, but, you know, I'm working on it. It's pretty new. It's pretty new, but, yeah, so any of those, you know, you can come find me if any of this intrigued you at all, but I don't blame you. That's such a good idea to find two ants if I'm too wild and light, you know, I get it. Two crystal wild and light, I get it, right? You know, it's not for everybody.

It's life of wild and it's hard. I'll just give you one star of views on my other show and I'll get over it. Yeah, exactly. That's seriously my favorite way to cope with that ever. It really helps, honestly. It really, because I just end up going and reading everybody else's one star reviews that I look up to. I'm not a lot of them. You're just like, what is wrong? Yeah, you just like stop trusting people.

You're like, what would you say that about this person? Yeah. I start looking at like all the podcasts that I look up to. I look at their one star reviews and I'm like, we're okay. Yeah, I've done that too. And then I'm just like, damn, like, but then it makes me learn. It makes me wonder,

I guess I'll kiss them off directly. You're like, do I know you and like, did I do something to you by accident? You know that? I stepped on your toe one day. Right. It's entirely possible. I don't know.

Well, you know, that happened once with my brother. Like, we got this really weird one, so our view that was like, Alex, he had a girlfriend, but he slept with my friend's wife, and we were like, what? And like, my brother, you look so cute. He's just like the most innocent,

like, you know, he's just like so anti-conflict, and like would never, a cheat on someone like, sleep with someone's wife. It was like, like, a Rolex, wrong day. Yeah, and it was like so specific. And it was like in Charlotte, North Carolina. And we were like, we've never even been there.

Like it was super weird. And then my like went and found that username on Reddit. It turns out my brother had had like some Reddit argument with this guy like months before. And the guy like found him and he found his him and made up a story. It started reviewing like one star. No, it's not. It's not scary to watch our review like making up weird shit about my brother cheating on people like. Well, and also that has nothing to do with your podcast. You like obviously that didn't happen. But like what does it have to do with your

podcast? He could have just written like worst podcast ever? Right, but like he wrote this whole while and to me I was like, Alexander, is there something you're like not? Like let's have a talk. He's like, we live together. I've never been to show that. Do you have like a very torrid secret life that you told me about? Yeah, we need to unpack some of this. But yeah, so I mean, after that, I was like, people can just kind of write whatever they want. So it's unfortunate that I was like people can just kind of write whatever they want so yeah unfortunate

I think she's got a laugh she'll be like alright well yeah it's tough but the good outweighs the bad most of the time exactly it always does it always does in the end but everybody go check all of those out because they are all equally amazing and hilarious thank you so sweet everybody definitely needs to go check this out. And Christine, thank you so much for coming. I know, thank you so much. Thank you so much.

You made my day and my life. Thank you so much. I'm like such a huge fan and a- Where are huge fans of you? I was gonna say this is like insane that this happened. When I DMed you first, I was like, I'm Christine. You're like, yeah, like we know you like you're falling in. I was like, okay, I didn't know if you knew me.

I just were like reaching out like a weird fan. No, we're like, it's only our dream to have you both on the show. Well, it's a real life honor, so thank you guys. I love it. This was so much fun. It'll definitely have to happen again. Yes, we'll have to do a big group Zoom whenever we figure out how to do that on our hands Can you are you gonna be able to do and but not so weird that? Yes, oh my god. Oh my god. It's happening

Now I'm nervous. I'm gonna turn off my camera. It's happening. Yeah, turn your camera We have to do you have to do the keep it weird with me. Okay. Okay, okay. Well we hope you guys enjoyed this episode and we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird. But that's the way I'm scavenging your home with your church and you sign up all these little like postage stamps and it doesn't make any sense at all. I'm like really who wrote those because I'm pretty terrified of it.

Not so weird that you bring a box of sex toys to your neighbor because that's fucked up. And it's even more fucked up if they're not sex toys and it's actually a sex that had it. Not so weird that you're calling people and you're like, are you home and they're not home because you know they're not home because you killed them so don't keep it.

That weird. Bye. Don't do it. I'm like hot and that was really hard. I hope that sounded okay. That like made me hot. I'm like So am I I feel like I have to like I know this copy G calf. I don't know No joke when I literally listen to the episodes. I like do that. I'm like oh my god

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