Morbid - Episode 141: The Tragic Death of Kendrick Johnson

Episode Date: May 18, 2020

Guys, this case has plagued us for years. It is one of those cases that provides more questions than it does answers. January 10, 2013, 17 year old Kendrick Johnson was found dead, rolled up in a wrestling mat in his high school gym. Initially, the case was quickly ruled a tragic, freak accident but after three autopsies, several false leads and a myriad of unanswered questions, Kendrick's family is no closer to finding out the truth about what happened to their son on that winter day in Georgia. Did Kendrick accidentally fall into a fatally inverted position in the rolled up mat? Or did someone put him there? Sources: https://allthatsinteresting.com/kendrick-johnson https://www.walb.com/2018/11/15/third-kendrick-johnson-autopsy-results-released/ https://face2faceafrica.com/article/his-body-was-exhumed-twice-for-a-third-autopsy-kendrick-johnson-the-black-teen-who-was-found-dead-in-a-gym-still-cries-for-justice-from-his-grave https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/ga_fl_news/private-consultant-releases-new-kendrick-johnson-autopsy/article_9412b580-e940-11e8-9f3b-47e0bb7e0c97.html https://static.allongeorgia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/393322920-Kendrick-Johnson-Third-Autopsy.pdf https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/us/georgia-gym-mat-death https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdga/pr/justice-department-closes-investigation-death-kendrick-johnson Thanks to our sponsors! Embark Right now, Embark has an exclusive offer just for our listeners! Go to Embarkvet.com now! and use Promo code MORBID to save 15% off your Dog Breed and Health kit. Care/of For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to TakeCareOf.com and enter code morbid50. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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time. Yeah and it's been it's been on my list to do and actually we've gone to do it a few times like a few weeks. Yup. And I've gone into it and then I was like, I'm not ready to do this one this week. Because it's heavy. And it's so frustrating. Because this one is, I still right now, as I sit here, don't know what I think happened. I really don't. And so, tonight we're going to be covering the case of Kendrick Johnson. So Kendrick Johnson, this is just, I'm gonna go about this the only way that I, the

best way I think we can go about it, which is because I don't have absolute, like, this is what I think happened. Right. I'm very much like all over the place with it, which I think a lot of people are. Yeah. It's really hard to have a concrete opinion about this. Because there's so many possibilities and like different theories and... Exactly. Like I have an idea of what I think might have occurred,

but like I can't lay it down concretely. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go at this as unbiased and just give you the facts. We're going to tell you what we think maybe just like speculate. You know, everybody's going to take what they think from this because unfortunately it does not have a whole lot of answers, which is always so frustrating. It is, it's so frustrating. So we'll start this off. Kendrick Johnson was 17 years old. He was known from his friends as KJ,

his family called him KJ, which is such a wonderful name. Well, that's what I love about him. I love that. KJ, right? And I just picked you like a little kid named KJ. Yeah, there's a little kid named KJ on Don't Be Tarty, which used to be on Bravo. I love it.

He's like the cutest little nugget. I love that you immediately connected Bravo. You were like Bravo Connection. It's just how my brain works. Anything has a Bravo Connection. It's such a talent. So he grew up in Vendosta, Georgia. His parents are Jackie and Kenneth Johnson.

They have been extraordinarily outspoken since their son's death and you will find out why. That's so important though. Yeah. In case like this. Oh yeah, and there's so many times where you hear of a case where you're like the only people who believed that, you know, it was a conspiracy and it was a cover-up with a parents and they fought and fought and fought till the very end and then it turns out they

were right. So it's like, you gotta listen. So Kendrick was known as like pretty quiet, but like not quiet as like standoffice. He was just like a quiet like soul. And but he was also known, his mom said he was a jokester around his house, the chat house. She described him that he was like the light of the house

that he brightened up the whole house, she described him that he was like the light of the house that he brightened up the whole house. Like his absence is very felt in their house. He kind of has a face that like tells you that about him. He has a very sweet face. Yeah, exactly. Like a light hearted face if that makes sense. Yeah, it's just one of those faces. It's a friendly face that's like very rare.

He was also very athletic. He played three different sports, but his favorite was definitely football. OK. He had dreams of playing college football and hopefully going pro at one point. He went to Lowns County, Georgia high school. So he went to Lowns high schools in Lowns County, Georgia.

Now, to be clear, Valdosta, Georgia does have a reputation to be a place where unfortunately racism is still alive and well. Well, that's fucked up. Obviously, unfortunately, you know, in every country, but like we're in the United States, in the United States, racism is still a thing. It's still around. It's still happening. We're seeing it all over the place. We just saw it recently in the news, like a big, you know?

So unfortunately in Valdosta, there is an unfortunate reputation that it is very alive down there. Just like so unacceptable for this point in time in this country. It really is. It's insane. And you know, I obviously, I am not saying everybody who's from Valdosta, Georgia has racist. No, by no means.

I do not want anybody taking this as like your whole county is racist. No, there's racism everywhere. Exactly. And it just so happens that Valdosta, when you Google Valdosta, Georgia, a lot of articles come up that have to do with racism. It's just a lot going on down there. And so this is a case of a young black man who died tragically, regardless of what way we cut it in the end. And the Sheriff's Department and the investigators that went about this case are all white dudes.

Oh, this is just a fact. Just a fact of the case. This is obviously something we're going to all have to kind of keep in the back of our minds as possibly clouding how this was handled. And whether it was handled as an accident or a homicide, that is investigation. Yeah, and it's just something we're all going to have to keep in the back of our minds. It's a possibility that it really does affect this case. It's just like in the Jeffrey Dahmer case because they were predominantly gay men. It's

like the same deal. Certain things are going to affect which is unexceptible, completely unacceptable. In this case, it's crazy. We also have to flip this on its ear and wonder if this was a white student who they found dead in this manner? Yeah, would it have been handled differently? Obviously, we will never know until you know that situation arose, but we can speculate and my personal opinion is this might have been handled quite differently. Right. But you know, we got to float the question into the universe. If this was the

races were reversed, would this have been looked at more closely? Well, people do need to ask questions like no matter what, like of course, that's how the world works. Yeah. And it's like, you know, take it with a grain of salt, but these are just the facts. So, because unfortunately race is going to play a big role in this case and how it was handled and the fact that it's still not really figured out what happened. So there's day, January 10th, 2013. On this day, January 10, 2013, CCTV caught Kendrick walking into the school gym at 1.30 pm. I think in the school gym, there was like an old gym and a new gym, they called it. He was walking into the school was like that too.

Yeah, and he was walking into the old gym where there were four CCTV cameras. So 1.30 pm, they have them walking into the gym. He was gonna be staying after school that day to watch a freshman basketball game. So he didn't come home. You know, it started getting late. By 10 PM, he wasn't home, he hadn't called. Oh, gosh.

So his mother's worried, his mom's like, what the hell's going on? Should have been home. So she immediately goes out searching for him. She's like, I'm gonna drive around. See if I can see him, see, and if I find him, I'm gonna kill him. Like, he's gotta come home.

So she's driving around, she can't find him, she's asking, she's calling his cell phone, she's getting nothing. By midnight, she was freaking out, so she called the police. And the police were like, okay, like okay like you know he's a teenager he's probably just outpassed her few like fucking around like teenagers do that they're responsible. She used to do that all the time. I was just gonna say it's so funny because it

paint such a picture because in high school I would go to basketball games and be like oh yeah like I'm going to sew and sew, sew house after and I was not going to so and so, so, so. It's very, we've all been there. So see, it wouldn't be too crazy to think like, oh, you know, maybe they're just fucking around with you. Right. So he didn't come home on night. So, James, I never did.

No. And so January 11th, 2013, the day after, Jackie, his mother, goes to the school and she's talking to the administrators, the teachers. Have you seen Kendrick? What do you know? Was he in school for the whole day yesterday? Like you got to tell me something.

So and of course they figured if he stayed out all night and like fucked around with curfew and all that, she was like, I figured he had to go to school the next day. Like he was going to go to school. So I was going to get him there and be like, now I'm going to kill you. And she was probably just like, what the fuck? Like, this is not anything she's ever had to deal with before. Exactly. So they offered to help. They said that they, she was not marked as being in school that day. And they said, why don't we print up, you know, help you put that up like posters, like missing posters, we'll ask around to kids.

So she's like, cool. So this is when she hears from teachers too, that teachers are like, whoa, he didn't show up yesterday to his third and fourth period classes. I was going to ask you that because one 30 is like normally school isn't over yet. Exactly. So they were like, wait, what? And they were like, yeah, he didn't come to this third and fourth classes.

So they look at the CCTV footage and he's entering the gym at 130. That seemed to be the last that anyone saw or heard. Right. So 10.30 AM that day on the 11th, when she's in school asking, like, trying to get information. 10.30 AM. They, like I trying to get information. 10 30 AM.

They, like I said, they have the two gyms, the old gym, the new gym. The old gym was kind of used for storage as well as, like, you know, gym activities, like smaller ones, because it's a small gym. Okay. But the storage was mainly around the perimeter of the gym and there were gym mats that were always rolled up

in a corner. I can literally picture like the gym that was in my school. I feel like everybody's gym had were gym mats that were always rolled up in a corner. I can literally picture like the gym that was in my school. I feel like everybody's gym had those gym mats that were always somewhere. Yeah, the big blue ones. Yeah, and some of them were vertical against the wall and then some of them were rolled up and like laying horizontally on the floor.

Yeah. And they were rolled up very tight. Like they were like wrestling cheerleading, you know, tumbling mats. Yeah. And they were all six feet tall and about three feet wide. So this group of kids who according to some sources, a couple of these kids were the superintendent's daughters. The superintendent is West Taylor. They were hanging out. Of course, yes. They were hanging out in the old gym and they noticed something like they look you go over at the mats and they notice that there's something white

sticking out of the rolled up gym mats and this mat that they see the white thing sticking out of is against the wall vertical. So then they notice this is a pair of white socks sticking out of one of those mats. And they're like, whoa. So then they look closer and they see that there are feet in those socks. So now it's looking like someone's in that mat. So they take down, so they call a teacher over. They lie the mat down on its side and they said that they immediately all smelled like vomit and decomposition, basically.

Oh god. And they see a little blood and they see that there is a human being inverted inside of that rolled up mat. Right. So they've found a dead body. That dead body is Kendrick Johnson. That's so, like what happened in between then for you to find a body like that? It is, this is when things get really frustrating.

So in a school, too, of all places. There's a lot that we're gonna talk about that just doesn't have answers, that is very frustrating. Right, so they call the police immediately, obviously. And so these bunch of rolled up mats that he was found in were, again, always in the gym, very tightly rolled up. They were stacked up against each other and next to like small bleachers,

but they were bleachers that were only like two bleachers high. They're not like the big bleachers you're thinking about like go up almost to the ceiling. So it's not easy to get on top of these like hats. And especially I would think to lift another human onto them. Yeah. So a lot of kids, so you had to like pay for lockers at this school to like for Jim. A lot of kids didn't want to pay for the lockers and so they would throw their things in these mats to keep them safe while they were, you know, at sports or whatnot. Right.

And, you know, honestly, this doesn't, that doesn't even make a whole lot of sense to me, because it's like, that seems like hard to retrieve back. Okay, I think I was thinking that, and I just was like, gonna move over it, not to like into it. Yeah. But I was like, that doesn't even make any sense. It doesn't. A lot of kids said that they did it, so I guess it's a thing they did.

It would feel like, it was easier to steal. Yeah. It's been a lot more. Yeah, it's just a weird place to put them. Like, I would shove them behind the mats if anything, not in the mats. Or like in the bleachers. Yeah, it's weird.

But so Kendrick was found in these mats. Feed upwards, head down, inverted in the mat. One of his arms was by his side facing his feet. So, like not reaching forward. The other arm was reaching, it was in front of him. The mats are very tightly rolled and wouldn't allow any normal size person really to squeeze down into them without getting stuck or even not being able to go through them. Police had found a pair of shoes next to him in the mat.

Okay, so there's a pair of sneakers squished next to him, like behind his knees, probably like they were put in there afterwards, you would think. When you look at it, it's really the only explanation is that they were put in after he was put in. It doesn't make any sense. There was another pair of shoes, which one of the shoes was outside the mat,

and the other one was in the mat, but it was under his head, so on the floor. So there's two pairs of shoes. Yeah, so there's shoes in the mat, one outside the mat. Exactly. And the one shoe that is in the mat, like in front of his face, basically,

is on the floor where, you know, we assume he's reaching for. That's what everybody's thinking. But that shoe, that's in front of him on the floor. It's sitting there and there's a pool of blood on the floor underneath his head because he's upside down in this small area. Blood is gonna rush to your head. It's gonna rush to the lowest point of gravity. And regardless of how you're laying after you die, there will be purge fluid that's gonna come out of

orifices in your face. You're gonna purge blood. There's gonna be stuff coming out of your nose and ears and nose. Even if there's no wound, it will still come out in your nose and purge. You're still gonna purge come out. You're still going to be like a mixture of blood and all kinds of blood. Because the blood's not moving around your body anymore. Exactly. So it's just leaking out basically.

Okay. Which this kind of harkens back to John Wayne Gacy. How he used to shove things down the boy's throats because he didn't like that after they died. They leaked. Right. So he thought doing that he would stop them from purging out whatever was in there. Okay. So that makes sense that he was lying upside down or hanging inverted in a very tight area. Yeah, so he purged out fluid, but the shoe

that was in that fluid is on top of the fluid. And there is no blood or fluid on top of the shoe. So meaning that was already there when the shoe was put in there. So the shoe was put in there like hours after he passed away. Assumably because of course, we can think of, you know,

was he grabbing the shoe? He grabbed the shoe. And then he lost it. And then he got out But then they're like I've heard people speculate that okay was he already like purging fluid and then he dropped the shoe into it But if you're purging that fluid, you're not conscious and you're not gonna drop anything because when like is it rig a mortise when that upset in? Yeah, but you probably would drop the shoe, I would think, like eventually, but it just doesn't make sense that he would be conscious enough to drop that shoe.

Right. While I've already had a giant urge to that fluid. Exactly. So that doesn't make sense to me, and there's really no explanation to why that shoe is on top of that fluid, and that there's no fluid or blood on that shoe. That is that shoe ever get identified to a human. I mean, I haven't read anything that said this, but there is speculation that it did belong to him

and a friend who were like sharing gym shoes. We'll post a photo of the crime scene photo of that shoe so you can see for yourself that it is pristine clean and it's lying in a pool of blood. Because I'm like, in my mind, I'm trying to think like, oh, was somebody in gym class, like those were not their gym shoes, so they just tossed them in the mat where people tossed their things. You know what I mean?

I'm like, is that a possible answer? Yeah. And then they were like, oh shit, I don't want that connected to me, like forget my shoes. Yeah, like they just threw them in there and then we're like oh shit Yeah, that's fucked up too, so that person you can't be doing that. Yeah, you can do that possible answer I guess it absolutely is so We're gonna come back to the CCTV footage later because I'm sure people are like wait a second

You said there was cameras in this gym. What the hell right? Oh, yeah, you'd think that would be a help But trust me, it's a lot. Trust me, it's a lot. Trust me, it's a lot. So he is obviously taken for autopsy. It's done initially by the Georgia Bureau of Investigations. So the cause of death that was found, and it was done, the initial autopsy was done by Dr. Watson. The initial cause of death was found to be positional asphyxia.

So he suffocated in the mat. He did. That's what they're saying. But here's the thing with positional asphyxia. It's very rare. It's often found in infants, in like car seats or something where somebody will put their child an infant in a car seat and let them fall asleep. And then the infant will flex their neck forward

to touch, like their chin will touch their chest and they'll cut off their airway and they will fixate that way. Okay. Or the kid will put their head in a different position like back or to the side. It's like hyperflexion and they will suffocate. So they're saying that because he was upside down,

and he was upside down for what they determined to be 21 hours. Wow. Yeah. So he was upside down in that mat for 21 hours. They're saying that he was smushed in there, couldn't breathe, cut off all oxygen because now his body is cutting off any air coming from the top. So he's nothing, he can't breathe in there. He's being smushed when he's upside down, so he's suffocated. Now that's a fucking nightmare. Yeah, the thing is it's a lot of it has to do with hyperflexion of the neck that I found like all the cases of positionals fix here. Did he have room for his neck? He did it. Well, no, and it gravity wouldn't allow it because hyperflexion is like when you put your head back So like the back of your head's touching your you know almost touching your back

Right, your chin's touching your, you know, almost touching your back. Right. Right. Right. Your chin is touching your chest. He was just hanging there. So, of course, could he asphyxiate? Absolutely. It's a very big possibility. Yeah.

And being upside down for that long, you are going to die eventually. All the blood's going to run your blood can't be in your head for that long. Yeah. And you're going to go unconscious, then you're going to lack oxygen and boom, you're done. But it is, and I think the doctors are even kinda like a positional sphixia is kinda one of those like, yeah,

we're gonna call it that kind of thing. Because we don't know what else to call it. We don't know what else to call it. But they basically said it was accidental. This was a tragic accident. I don't believe that at all. Well, in what the sheriff's department concluded, they were like, okay, it's tragic accident. I don't believe that at all. Well, in what the Sheriff's Department concluded,

they were like, okay, it's an accident. It's a tragic accident. What they said was they were like, okay. So he had some kind of gym-related class at that time that he was in the gym. They said multiple sources said he and another student, like I was saying, shared a pair of gym sneakers. Yeah. And they said one

class he would use them, the other class, the other student would use them. In between, they would store them in one of those mats so that the other one could just retrieve them whenever they need. Right. So they said January 10th when he disappeared was a few days after everyone had come back from winter break. And the gyms had been cleaned and organized and tidied up. Apparently some of the mats that were laying on the ground had been straightened up to stand up against the wall. So it covered issues. And they were saying what probably happened was they were using one of the mats that was laying down, which would make it easy to grab the shoes in an add-up. Yep, and that mat had got turned up.

But then why would you dive into a mat to get it to shoe? Exactly. That doesn't make any sense. Exactly. So, and that's why this doesn't jive with me because the sheriff's department wants everyone to believe Kendrick was reaching in for his shoes. They would have been like six feet deep. Well, they're saying he just fell face forward into this.

And it's like, no. That doesn't make any sense. So the mat itself was measured to be, the opening was measured to be 14 inches. Okay. His shoulders were 19 inches across. Right. So it just doesn't really make sense.

He had to be like, actually like genuinely like smushed in there. And the only thing I can think of is he was reaching with a one arm down to get that shoe and that makes your shoulders less wide if you like that. But even that, even if I'm willing to to concede that He's not going headfirst into a upright mat to get his shoes because if anything you just knock that over Exactly, you knock them out over and you have your shoe exactly. It's like You would just look to see which one had your shoe Maybe you would like peek over the top to see if which one had your shoe.

When you see your shoes, you just tip them out over and get it out of way. The other thing, how do you fall in in? I feel like in an accident, he'd be yelling for somebody to come help him. Thank you. That is my other thing is he, again, this is like one 30 in the afternoon. There's people coming in and out of that gym. There was a basketball game, like a pickup basketball game going on in the afternoon. There's people coming in and out of that gym. There was a basketball game. That's like a pickup basketball game. That's how I'm going on in that gym.

If he fell into that mat, he would start yelling. You would be screaming for someone to help. You're stuck in your panicking. Someone would hear him, which is small gym. And it's a gym. He's gonna echo off the walls. They're gonna hear you. And it takes outside.

It takes a while to suffocate. Like a, exactly. You're not gonna go unconscious right away. That's just not off the walls. They're gonna hit you. And it takes outside. It takes a while to suffocate. Like a, exactly. You're not gonna go unconscious right away. That's just not how it works. And I, that's not what I meant. How did no one hear him now scream for help? There's no way that you would be upside down in a mat suffocating and not being able to move

and panicking and not screaming or making some kind of noise. And then the first place, he, I don't think he entered that matter of life. No, already. I'm like, no. Thank you. And that's where I sit. I can't tell you what happened, but he didn't go in there alive. I don't think he went in there alive. I just don't. Or maybe alive, but not conscious.

Exactly. Exactly. What do you have had to be alive to be leaking? No. He'd saying no. He would not be alive. Okay. Okay. So maybe he yeah he either wasn't conscious or he wasn't alive. There's no it just happened shortly after death. So it's I don't believe he entered that alive or at the very least he didn't enter conscious. I really don't agree with you. I don't think this was a tragic accident where he fell face first. No, because he just never would have... he never would have dived or dove, however you want to say it into a mat to get a shoot. That's that's literally preposterous. And that's the thing that like no matter what kind of evidence they bring forth to be

like, oh this was a tragic accident, I can't get my brain around the idea that like, I mean, teenagers are stupid, but that's not, I don't know anybody who would dive head first into something that is very clearly too small for them to get to. We're also like pretty lazy. We wouldn't go to that effort. We just kick them out over.

But that's the thing. It's like, I love how you're saying we, like you're a teenager still. No. I realized that after I said it, I feel like I put myself back in the gym for this episode till, like, you were, like, you know, us youths. No, but you know what I mean?

Like, I'm thinking of myself in that gym and like, what I would have done. So I'm like, teenage me would never be like, I'm going to fucking muster up the effort to dive in there. I'd be like, fuck that. Exactly. Well, and the other thing is it's like, okay, these mats are six feet tall.

Right. So did the mat. The mat doesn't add up. Like you wouldn't, I don't think Kendrick would look at this six foot tall mat and be like, okay, if I squeeze my head down into this mat and try to get it that way, you're not even going to be able to reach the bottom.

Never mind, get yourself back up. Your whole body is going to be in that mat now. And you know this. The other thing is he wouldn't have been able to just like standing like peak in there. He would have had to like jump or something onto it, thus making it fall down. Which in any event, he would just be like, let me just knock this over real quick and get my shoes. Like some moral of the story is that didn't happen. Too much work, it's too much work.

And it's logically just doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. So what, what did happen? So, so, all right. So there is a death scene video like that the investigators took where they're walking from the parking lot into the crime scene and they have every, you know, they give you the whole scene. And it shows the mat that Kendrick was found in is on its side because they had knocked

it over the kids and the teacher to get him out. And when you look at it, it's next to a bunch of other mats. So I still want to know, how did he get up there to begin? Because if you're telling me, what I can believe is I can believe something happened, and I can believe someone knocked a mat down, shoved him in there, and then just put it back up right. Yep. What I can't believe is that he somehow got into it, like in this mat himself,

because I don't know how he even got in there, if that's the case. Somebody had to have put him in, and I agree with you, while it was laying horizontally, and then just pushed it back up. Because there's mats on either side of the mat that he was in,

so it's like, how would he even got up there? Right. It would have had to been laying in the middle of those two mats, like protruding outwards. Yeah, it's very, it's strange. And then like we said, the noise factor, he would be screaming or making some kind of noise, someone would see struggling in that mat. He would be thrashing around trying to get out. Right. Somebody would be like, why's that mat like groove and open up there?

And somebody would be yelling. Yeah, like, come on. And it's like, and open up there. And somebody even yelling. Yeah, like come on. And it's like, and honestly, I think it's pretty insulting that the sheriff's department is spinning that tail and being like everyone just believe that. Because it's like, yeah, wow, you must really think we're stupid. Well, because if you take literally three seconds to give that a shot in your mind, you're like, no, you can't make any, like I wouldn't do that. And I don't think anybody else would either. And that's the thing, it's like, you can, sure,

you can be like, wow, yeah, maybe it's a tragic accident. And then as soon as you look even just past the little film that's in front of your face, you're like, oh, and you can just pull that shit right apart. You're like, none of that makes sense at all. But I think people like a quick answer. They like to be like, oh, nothing happened. That's such a bummer. Let's go now. And it. And it sounds like they

really wanted to, you know, get this gone. Yeah. So speaking of the crime scene, yes, the crime scene was not exactly taken care of. Good. In the crime scene, the death scene video where you see the investigators' point of view walking into the scene, you can see that none of them are wearing covering on their shoes. Which is a big no-no. Yeah, that's a big no-no. It's definitely like, it's funny to me that they're even being like photographed with that lack of

people right because it's like Wow, I really want to put that on the record that you just were not careful at all. Yeah, we're just like all right I mean cool dude. All right, but so yeah, so they're not wearing coverings on their shoes which not only makes you know them Look bad in the sense that they're traipsing around the Or they're getting stuff on their own shoes and bringing it elsewhere But it's also your tracing all over evidence and bringing things in off your freaking shoes That's kind of make for a very tough investigation

Exactly which lucky for them. They didn't really want to do an investigation to begin with. So they didn't really, they already, they went into this scene saying, oh, it's an accident. That's a... Well, then, not even gonna look in any case. Even going back a little bit like the things that you're bringing in, you're in a school. There's DNA fucking everywhere, like, exactly. And they didn't corden off the crime scene, so they didn't put crime scene tape all over.

And then out of there, people could come as close as they want. They also, so there's the unknown pair of shoes, and there's also another pair of shoes, and a hoodie that was around these mats. No one ever collected these things or asked where they came from, or found out where they were. That's the main thing I wanna know

who this other pair of shoes belongs to. Yeah, they never, they never looked into it because they didn't collect these things or asked where they came from or found out where they came from. That's the main thing I want to know who this other pair of shoes belongs to. Yeah, they never looked into it because they didn't collect these things. Yeah, it could be explained away like how I explained it earlier, but that could also be a pretty big lead. And you have to treat everything like a lead when investigating something. Well, and it would also help them establish times of death and times of when he was positive. He was assaulted when he was assaulted because if some kid is saying, oh yeah, I threw my mat, my shoes up into that mat without even looking. Those are my shoes. Then they could go, what time

did you do that? What time was your gym class? And they find out what time, cool. Well, he was already in the mat at that time. Right. So now we know that it's this smaller chunk of time instead of 21 hours that we know that it's this smaller chunk of time instead of 21 hours that we have to work with. Or just look at what gym classes were in the gym at that time and interview all the people. Who was in there? Exactly.

There was also dried blood on the wall near the mat. Like, smeared all the thought of hot and if he was inside the mat the whole time. Well, that blood didn't belong to him. But they never found out who it belonged to. Yeah, why is there just blood in a gym? So they just didn't find... Once it was said that it wasn't his, they were like, oh, then we don't care. And it's like, well, what if that was his attacker's blood, which it most likely was, because how often do you just find blood in a gym? Exactly. So the other crazy thing to me is that

investigators waited six hours from when they found his body to when they called the coroner. What? Why? Yep. So the Lowns County coroner was Bill Watson and they literally waited six hours. So that makes it harder to determine cause of death, time of death. Any makes it harder is not even the word for it. It is. It is.

It is. It is impossible. Well, and not only that, it's against the law. It's a violation, it's a violation of Georgia law because Georgia law says, and I quote. All right. All right. And I quote, all the way, and I quote, upon receipt of the notice required by codes so saying when you find a dead body, the corner or county medical examiner shall immediately take charge of the body.

If a registered professional nurse, nurse authorized to make a pronouncement of death under code section, blah, blah, blah, or qualified physician is not available. A coroner, deputy coroner, or medical examiner's investigator may make a pronouncement of death at the investigation scene if and only if one of the following conditions is met. And then it says, you know, the body is in a state of decomposition. The body is skeletonized. The death has been established by qualified emergency medical services personnel.

So what it's saying is as soon as you find a dead body that is dead in a manner, you know, a violent or unnatural way, yeah, you immediately call the corner of the medical examiner's office and they have to immediately or the medical examiner's office and they have to immediately they take ownership of that body immediately. Yeah, duh. Six hours is totally against that law, completely against it. And what Bill Watson said, the coroner, he said, quote, when they asked him, you know, what does six hours do with like, between waiting to call you? And he said, quote, well, it compromises my investigation

100%. I don't know what the county sheriff's office personnel did when they got down the scene. The death scene in my opinion has been completely compromised. Yeah. You would, you would think. And he works for the county. And he's saying, like, they fucked up.

I don't, like, I got what I got. But I can't tell you that this is what it is. I got it six hours later. Because it's like like this is also going to come down on him. And it's not his fucking fault really. And that's why he ends up just being like, well, the positional was fix. Yeah, that's all I can tell you. Right. Everything else is kind of have anything else to go off of.

Like you're supposed to be able to get to the scene. You're supposed to get, be able to get like a liver temperature on the body. You're supposed to be able to get to the scene, you're supposed to be able to get like a liver temperature on the body, you're supposed to be able to... All things roped off. See the body in its state that it was found in? Like it had already been moved several times. There was already people walking through this crime scene. I mean DNA, different markings, like humidity. Yeah, he got fucked out of having an actual

like decent at death investigation. So on May 23rd, 2013, reports came out, written by two paramedics that arrived on the scene from South Georgia Medical Center, Mobile Health Care Service. And these two reports of the two paramedics that were on scene, they said that the office, they said right to the officers when they got there.

They were like, guys, this should be closed off as a homicide scene. Like the paramedics will take one look at this kid and we're like, why is this not closed off as a homicide? Right. And the officers were like, oh, we think it's an accidental death, blah, blah, blah. And they were like, from what we saw, and these are are reports that they signed they said what we saw was foul play That's what we saw and that this kid obviously something was something else happened here. Uh-huh They basically and like I said they didn't collect any evidence from the scene They just kind of left everything and we're like oh tragic accident that sucks. See you later right like they made that decision Right away and they did not.

You're supposed to work a scene as if you have no idea what happened. You're not supposed to go in there and automatically have this is an accident. So I'm gonna treat it as you need to treat it as I need to find out anything that Possibly could have happened here. Even if you go in there and you're like, I think this was an accident You need to go, but what if it wasn't? I don't know. Right. Yeah. The United States Attorney for the Middle District of Georgia, Michael Moore, announced on October 31, 2013 that the FBI was going to investigate the circumstances of Kendrick Johnson's dead. Good. Yeah, you would think so. So now we're going to to go back to because this is when things start heating up. Now they're looking at all this stuff and they're like, wait a second, where's the CCTV footage? Because there's four cameras in here.

The police did not get this right away. They didn't ask for it right away. Which they should have because now there's been time to get rid of it. Now they've just let the school hang with the CCTV footage. And sometimes things are cut off. It will only be from a certain date to the certain date and then it gets rid of everything else.

Exactly, which that's not what happened here, but they literally just let them have this footage for however long to do whatever. So it will be up with what happened. I got my name. And then they asked it, and when they at least asked them to turn it over, they didn't go get it or have somebody bring it to them or like an IT person. They just asked the school. They were like, can you just give us what you what you have from that day? So they let

the school determine what they thought. Yeah, would be turned over. Now, one of you ever heard of that happening. Well, when a forensics, you'd be surprised. This happens a lot. That's how that's when you hear like, oh, there's surveillance footage and you're like, where to go? Right. This is exactly what? So frustrating. They had a forensic specialist, like who like a video surveillance specialist look into this video footage that they got. Okay. And what he said was he said, these not the original files like they the police did not get an original copy of this They got a copied copy and they said something was altered here And he said the image quality was altered so he said it's much grainyr They made it blurrier and he said there's definitely information lost because of that and he also said a

And he said there's definitely information lost because of that. And he also said a number of files were corrupted because of the processing process. And he said there's tons of fuck-ups with that. So he said there's a ton of corrupt files. And he said there's also a whole in time where no camera provides any record. That makes, that gives me the creeps. That is freaky as fuck. And like I said, there was four cameras in that gym. So the one camera records until 12.04 pm that day, then there's nothing. Yeah, no.

And then it picks back up at 109 pm. Why? Yeah, no. And then it picks back up at 109 PM. Why? That's the second camera recorded until 11.05 AM. And then nothing. And then picks up at 1.15 PM. The third camera records until 11.05 AM. Then nothing. And then picks up at 1.16 PM. No. The fourth camera records until 12.04 PM and then nothing and then picks up again at 109 pm.

That's fucking terrifying because you know why that's so scary. Somebody that worked at that school had to sit there and get rid of that fucking footage and knows exactly what was on that footage. That's what is so frustrating. That gives me the chills because it's like, you know what happened and whatever happened was not good. No, and these are a couple of hours for all of these cameras that are just not accounted for.

That's an honest fault. That's an honest fault. And it's like, we should have this whole thing on camera, there's four cameras in that gym. What the fuck? That's the whole purpose of them being there. So I think this is, I mean, the family, Kendrick Johnson's family immediately had their ears perked up right from the get go. Because they're like, nobody cares and you're fucking up this investigation.

Well, they could see from the get go that this was being treated as this was a tragic accident let it go. No move on. And don't let go. Well, when this whole CCTV thing came out, they were like, what the fuck? This is not an accident. So there is a lot of photos that go along with this case. There's a lot of photos of Kendrick after his death that are very scary. They're not pretty. There's an eye found. They're real gruesome. If you're going to go look for him, just be...

They're everywhere. They're literally everywhere. But just be for one that it's a lot. You're gonna see a lot. Because it's not the fact that it's like a dead body. It's the fact that it's a dead body in the condition it was in that you're trying to tell me it was an accident and it's like, no. Yeah. It's definitely, he looks very deformed. And a lot of people got into a big, like, hoopla about these photos because also the family themselves were the ones who released these photos to the public. So they want you to see these photos because they want you to see it wasn't a fucking accent. Exactly. So if you're looking for them, know that the family, you have the family's

blessing to look at them because they want you to see. But the problem was, there's one problem here. There's one photo that he looks, decidedly worse in, and it's a close up of his face. He's very bloated, very disfigured. I mean, his lips are all messed up. They're swollen. I mean, he are all messed up. They're swollen. I mean he does not look he looks like somebody took Something very heavy and just slammed it into his face. I mean it's a

Really bad photo. That's the photo that the family used a lot on their signs and stuff to be like look look at his face Like how can you tell me this is an accident? They're in doubt of his fixation like this is not but the problem with that was, they were saying this is what he looked like when he was found. That's not what he looked like when he was found. It was six hours after. Nope, it was after an autopsy.

Now, if you don't know what happens in an autopsy, that might not mean a lot to you because you're like, okay, well whatever. But the problem with that one is, when you look at the photo of him right after they found him, he still looks horrible. I mean, he's still just, he's just figured because he's swollen and his, his features don't look like him. Because again, all the fluids and blood rushed to his head, right in his face, right. So he looks very bloated, very swollen, very... it's scary. But this other photo just looks drastically different. And they were putting these on signs and saying, this is what he looks like. He obviously was beaten. He was obviously assaulted, blah, blah, blah, blah, which I get. I totally get. But the reason is, the first time that the family

saw him was after his autopsy, they saw this. Right. That doesn't look like your child. And if I saw that, I would be like someone assaulted my child. That's why they don't tell me. Yeah. So I totally get why they took that and were like, this is a beating. But the problem is, it misled a lot of people into thinking that that is the face of somebody who is beaten in the face. When in reality, in the autopsy report, I have the autopsy report right here,

they did open his skull to look at his brain. So when you open someone's skull, the way you do it, is you make an incision around the back of the head, connecting the temporal bones, then you flay the scalp forward, laying it on the face, and what happens is the skin of your face is going to slip down. It's going to be different than what you look like before. Yeah, because then they're going to use a bone saw to open up the skull,

take the brain out, put it back on, then you just kind of pull the scalp back on top of that kind of like wonky skull cap. But it won't look the same as what I did before because it's different. You're going to look a little different. Yeah, yeah. The skin is gonna slip. It's gonna loosen up. It's gonna make, and they also, you know,

they opened up his larynx. They opened up his neck to look at that. So things are gonna shift and move, and you know, along with all the swelling and the fluid, and but it's also, I think it, you know, it would be important to explain that to a family. And I hope that was explained to them. Exactly. And I think it you know it would be important to explain that to a family and I hope that was explained to them Exactly, and I think was people saw this and thought it was the result of a beating that he looks like this one in reality

I'm pretty sure it was just from the autopsy that he just happened to look a little different. Yeah But look at it took you like literally maybe a minute to explain that Yeah, and that's the thing. Somebody should have just been like, this is obvious, this is not from wounds that he received. And that would give the parents some kind of peace and comfort, you know? Yeah, and honestly, I mean, all photos of him after death are really horrifying anyways. So it's not like, you look at it and you're like, yeah, but when you see him right afterwards,

he doesn't look like he's been beaten about the face, but you know the other one he does. But they got a lot of people got upset when they found out that that was from an autopsy and not from that because they felt like they were being misled. When I don't think that's the case. They just were going with what they- And I don't think that was the intention exactly. Exactly. I don't think that was the case at all. But they did get a little bit in trouble for that. So either way, looking at him again, like I said,

not great, he definitely looks real rough. And it probably made it really hard to determine what was a wound and what was just swelling in blood pooling. And like, you're gonna have to determine what was a hemorrhage and what is just blood pooling. Well, in the average day to day person person doesn't realize that all those things happen after death I mean you really only understand that if you Study death exactly are you working like the death industry?

So it's like the prime world, you know, yeah, but after 21 hours Inverted in a small hot cramped position where every fluid is settling into the lowest point of gravity, shit's gonna look real rough. And liver mortis is like, I've said a million times before on the show, liver mortis is when blood settles in the lowest point of gravity after you die. It's going to be visible to the naked eye within a couple of hours after death. It's gonna be at its maximum peak between like eight and of hours after death. It's going to be at its maximum peak between like eight and 12 hours after death. So he was well over that time frame of being inverted in this strange position. And so he was going to have, I mean, over the peak liver

mortis, just like redding of the face, discoloration, swelling, blotching, all that good stuff. All of the above. Now, Reverend Floyd Rose, he was part of the Valdosta Southern Christian Leadership Conference. The family asked him to aid in an independent investigation into this now, because now they're just looking for any help, because no one's listening to them, no one's willing to talk to them. No one's willing to talk to them

No one's willing to even look at the possibility that this is not a tragic accident So he agrees to help he became like a big player in this case like he supported their investigations and He actually ended up putting his house up for collateral ones. Oh my gosh. The family and also the supporters of the family ended up doing like a protest at the courthouse and they all ended up getting like arrested for like civil disobedience, which is absolutely bullshit. But he put up his house as collateral to bail them out. Wow. So he like really got into this.

Good for him. Later, which we will mention later, he does change his tune a little once he gets some more information. So this is when the family requested a second autopsy, because now they're like, fuck you, if you're not going to take us seriously, we need him exhumed, so his body was exhumed. And they hired a private medical examiner named Dr. William Anderson. Okay. If you Google Dr. William Anderson, he's from Florida.

He's done a ton of cases. He's worked with Dr. Michael Baton. Oh, shit. Which like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So he's like a big deal. He's done some high profile cases. He knows what he's doing. Yeah. He found in his second, when he did this second autopsy. He found first, the first thing he noticed, was that every organ was removed from Kendrick's body.

What? And in its place was newspaper. Okay. Now the Harrington funeral home in Valdosta, Georgia was like, yep, we did that. And the funeral director said the organs were gone when they got the body. Why did they put the newspaper in? He said it's not best practice to use newspaper to fill out a body, but they used to do it back in the day.

And what I think they think is that the funeral home offered to do this, you know, in bombing and everything and preparing the body for free for the family. So they might have been doing it the cheapo deepo way and just were like, let's shove newspaper in there. To fill out the body, mean to make it because he would have looked like organs were missing? Well, when yeah, when you take you wouldn't believe how much your body it's shaped relies on all your structures being in place. Like and like it's not just skeleton. No, it's like if you your organs really do need to be in there to like keep you looking like

it. I never actually realized that. So that's what I was thinking. You really wouldn't. Yeah, you really wouldn't. And like when we do a nautopsy, if we, because you get consent, that's a big, big thing. You get the organs. You ask the family, do you want us to return the organs back to the body?

Because some people want that. I mean, there's plenty of people that don't want their loved one going into the world without their organs. Or you say, can we keep the organs for research or donation or... But one way or another, it's the family's decision. The family decides. That is a, at least where I work,

that is a big part of the consent process, is you need to know what to do with those organs. Now, do you know if this family, the Johnson family, was asked? I couldn't find anything that says whether or not they gave consent either way. Right. So, but it doesn't look like they were psyched about this, but I don't know what that was. Seems like it is. It was.

Because it was a big deal that like they found out that his body had newspaper. That would be livid to find out. And I know like when sometimes when bodies will get sent from like a hospital to a funeral home for the bombing process, if they've chosen to keep the organs at like for research purposes, not return them to the body, we'll put like big like, gauze pads in there. Okay. Like just ascended over to the funeral home,

and then I'm not positive what they do over there. I think they use like cotton a lot of the time to fill out a body. So it's a little more like any of this. That's really crazy to me. Yeah, because especially like things like, like if you, because a lot of times will take like, um, though we, and again, this, you need consent for this. Yeah. But like,

if you're doing, you know, research, you can take out eyes. Oh, and when you take out eyes, immediately, again, you don't even think about it, but your eyes just sink your, yeah, that was sink right in. Right. So they need to put something fake in there. But yeah, it's the rest of the body is the same way. Wow. But it's cool. It's cool. So I think it was strange. A lot was made out of that, but it ends up just being like, yeah, that happens.

It's not best practice to put newspaper in there, I guess, but like, they used to do it. And maybe this was just what they were trying to cut corners. I don't like that. But the Georgia Secretary of State Office did investigate the funeral home just to be sure and they didn't find any wrong doing practice. Okay. But, and this is what's confusing to me, the funeral home had signed off saying, because again, when you release a body to a funeral home, you're releasing the belongings too and

the things on the body. Okay. And they signed a thing that said that they received him with all organs and they said they signed that they received him with the original clothing that he was wearing, but all of those things are missing. Okay. So what did the funeral take? And that was just kind of like...

Like, like, not sure. Or were they... Did they do something with the organs or were they lying and they said that It did have the organs when it didn't And also because that's all I love about that like it's also not something that you just like sign that waiver that like yeah We got everything like moving on yes, no, that's a big deal like can't, you can't just assume that all the organs are in there. You got to make sure. Like you got to, yeah, I wouldn't

send my loved one to this funeral home. Yeah, that would be like us releasing a body and like not checking the tote. And just being like, yeah, I bet that's Sam. You know what I mean? Like this is like releasing the wrong body. Like you have to be sure about these things. This is a human being.

It's a very big deal. This is a human being. This is someone very big deal. This is a human being. This is someone's love to one. You need to take a few extra moments and inconvenient just yourself to make sure that you have all. Well, there shouldn't even be an inconvenience. Yeah, it's just very hard.

The whole thing is very strange. So that was the first thing that they found during the second autopsy. Like what? Then they went on to find the cause of death and see if they agreed that it was positional asphyxia and if it was accidental. Well, okay. This medical examiner did not agree with that cause of death.

What did he think? What he thought was he thought it was blunt force trauma to the neck. Okay. And in the actual autopsy report, the cause of death is blunt force trauma, right neck, acute hemorrhage, soft tissues of upper neck, acute periostal hemorrhage, posterior body, and right mandible. Areas of acute hemorrhage involving carotid artery bifurcation and carotid body. Okay, so something very different than exphyxiation. Exactly. So, what they are saying is that somebody, and what he initially said was somebody did

some kind of carotid chop motion to the back of his neck. And what I found was that he was claiming that it hit in a spot and in such a way that it hit the bifurcation of the carotid artery, which is when it splits off and it caused immediate like heart stop. Wow. Because your carotid arteries are very important to your heart. But you would have had to hit very hard for that, right?

Well, there's also no, I don't think there's any precedent sent for that. Like, from what I could see, a lot of other medical examiners that were asked about this, were like, I've literally never heard of that happening. Like, it's never a bit of thing. But I guess he's saying, so he's saying there's a bruise on the back of his neck that was not noted in the first autopsy. And he's saying that this bruise, which is only two to three centimeters long, so it's small.

But he's saying he thinks that is where something happened. That's the bone for a stroma. I just don't think that, I mean, I don't know, I have absolutely like no medical knowledge, but to think that somebody could do that with their hand, and then only leave a two centimeter bruise. Well, they're not, he's not saying it necessarily had to be a hand, but it's got it like a karate chop

kind of motion, so it could be with something. Okay, but, and he said basically, the cause of death was the blunt force trauma and then he was put up So there are and like I said earlier I think I saw like people on like reddit and stuff talking about Dr. Anderson this medical examiner and A couple of people who you could see were very biased on the side of like this is an accident They're trying to get it to be a murder on the side of like, this is an accident. They're trying to get it to be a murder.

We're like, oh, Dr. Anderson got fired from multiple jobs and he's not like a real medical examiner. That's bullshit. He's a board-certified forensic pathologist. Like, he is certified. I swear, he's more certified than the guy from the West Memphis 3K. So what is wrong with the internet.

As you can just say anything you want if I can say and call it fact. And if you can be so biased on one side and then just tilt the narrative to fit that. And it's like, oh, it's not true. Like, he was not fine. Like, is that two to three centimeter long brews kind of like, I don't know about that?

Yeah. Sure. But I'm not a doctor. And two, that doesn't mean he is a reputable medical exam. Right. I'm not going to take that away. I was just going to say, you can't take that away. He's a good medical examiner.

So who knows? We just got to put the facts out. We twist the terms. So on March 17, 2014, CNN reporters said that they got an anonymous email. They got this, or they didn't get it, but they were able to get access to it through the Georgia Open Records Act. Okay. And this anonymous email was sent to the Sheriff's Department.

Okay. It was dated January 27, 2014, and it was written by a teenage girl, but she's, she wanted to be anonymous, but they ended up obviously finding out who she was. I know about this. I knew a little about this case going in, but I definitely didn't know this. Yeah. There's a lot of trade-ups on the edge of my seat, not even lying to you. It's very stressful.

But she said in this email that someone had confessed to murdering KJ. And it explained where this confession took place when, you know, why and how. She named four students and investigators spoke to these four students and ended up ruling them out very quickly. Several accused did trial, actually stood in front of a grand jury to testify, but nothing came out of it. And they're not identified? No, they were not identified.

But and they were found to be not connected. Now I do have the email, so I'm just going to read the email that was given. It says, my best friend was at a party Saturday night with Redacted and Redacted was upset about something that Redacted had said to her. So her and my best friend started talking and by the end of the night Redacted had told my friend everything that the whole nation has been wondering for the past year. She told my friend what really happened to Kendrick Johnson. She told my friend what really happened to Kendrick Johnson. Redacted said that about a little over a year ago,

she had sexual intercourse with Kendrick Johnson, while she was dating Redacted. Redacted found out and threatened KJ. KJ told Redacted to meet him in the old gym after third block, and he would have his knife ready. Redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, met KJ and killed him. Oh my god.

Redacted also had been heard admitting to killing KJ more than once over the phone. His brother, redacted, also got drunk at a party on the 4th of July and told many people that redacted killed KJ and that he redacted was tired of keeping it a secret. So that's fucked up. So that email is crazy.

It names when it brings up the brother, like this person's brother said that, oh, there are two brothers that are brought into this, but we're quickly said not to be. I don't know. that seems like a very, it's interesting. Lear picture and it kinda, it does make sense because you wouldn't need multiple people there in my opinion to get one person. I don't think one person could have put another person

in the mat. I think you'd need at least two people. I definitely think that if this is the case, then I think there's definitely more than one person involved. And like teenage boys and girls, it's like, oh god. Exactly. And everything's very dramatic and very life and death. Right. And so nothing really came out of this because they were like, well, we talked to them and they, no, I want to know how they ended up ruling it out.

They just kind of, they were like, yeah, they said some of them had alibis, and then they were like, some of them just doesn't match up. And they didn't have evidence. Okay. All they have is this girl, this random teenage girl, saying that she heard it. It's the same as like the West Memphis 3, you hear something.

It is true, you could be lying, but I don't know. But it's all fishy. Now July 28th, 2014, the Johnson family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Lowns County High School, the superintendent in the principal, and the board of education. Good. The lawsuit specifically said that this boy, a student who

went to school with Kendrick, named Brandon Bell, had attacked Kendrick before, many times, sometimes in front of authority figures, and was bullying him. And they said his mother had complained to the school before, and nothing had been done about it. And Bell was a wrestler. He had a younger brother named Brian Bell, and their father, Rick Rick Bell happens to be an FBI agent. Oh okay. So that's interesting. Real interesting. Jackie and Kenneth

Kendrick's parents said he was being bullied like he was not friends with these boys. He was being bullied by them. The brothers claim up and down that they were friends with Kendrick. They never had bad blood with him. That's not what they were. They were friends when he died. It's all very shady. Highly doubt that.

But his parents swear that they were not friends. So, right. It's like different stories on either side. But Brandon Bell was on his way to a wrestling tournament not friends. So it's like different stories on either side. But Brandon Bell was on his way to a wrestling tournament when Kendrick was supposedly killed. Okay. So he does have an alibi. The bus left supposedly at 1230 to go to this wrestling tournament. Kendrick was alive and on film at 130 entering the gym. Right. Later there was some like hoopla because people were looking into like the trip,

like itinerary and stuff for that day, trying to, because you know like, it's absolutely, it's kind of hard. And they were trying to find out, you know, like, did it actually leave at 12.30 or is he just hanging on to this story because he doesn't think people are going to look into it? Right. And a teacher had previously put an itinerary of the trip somewhere online. Uh-huh. And it said the wrestling match started at four that day. So. And people thought that this meant that the bus left at four.

Okay. So it became like a thing like he could have been in the gym, but it turns out the wrestling match started at four. It likely left before he was dead, but it turns out the wrestling match started at four. It likely left before he was dead, but we can't be sure. Everything's kind of wonky, you know? When was the wrestling match like four hours away? I'm confused. It was in a different, it was in a different county.

So it was far away. And then his brother was supposedly in class at the other end of the school when all this was happening. So it's like, but the Johnson's believe this whole thing is a cover-up because their father is an FBI agent. They can make whatever they want to happen to happen. And I was going to say they made whatever happen that they wanted with the footage. So it's not unlikely that a teacher would be like, no, he was in class. And what they believe is that the school is in on this cover up.

You probably don't pay it off, and that it's a whole conspiracy theory, which I mean, you can look at it from the side of like, no, that doesn't make any sense. And you can also look at it on the side of, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So it's like, have you ever had a push money? It's not crazy to think that this could have happened. It's not. This makes me, it bums me out,

that shit like this still happens. Yeah. And I guess there's CCTV footage showing Brian Bell walking away from the gym at one point in a white zip up shirt. And what people thought looked like a stain of possible blood on his right arm. But that was actually just a logo.

Oh. Like that, but the CCTV footage was so green that it made it look like a wipe of blood. Jesus. But they showed the thing and it does, it is just a logo. But it also shows how quickly like, you keep getting like excited for a leash and then you're like, oh shit. And then it comes forward and you're like, dammit. Right. These brothers did refuse to cooperate with this investigation

at all. What they didn't want to help at all. That's nice. If you were friends, you would think that you'd want to help. Exactly. And there was interviews with them. Like, people did interviews with them. I think there's only like one interview with them. And they're, they're very adamant that they had nothing to do with it, that they were friends with Kendrick. And they were like, people can judge us however they want, but we know the truth and blah, blah, blah. Uh, but, you know, to be honest, one of them seems more convincing than the other one.

Uh, one of them I was looking at and I was like, sir, you seem pretty much. You should probably try a little harder. Yeah dad isn't a BI agent, he doesn't have to. That's the problem, man. That's what keeps you coming back to that is you're like they have that that is working against them in this situation. You imagine you work your fucking whole life to be an FBI agent and one of your kids killed somebody. Not saying that happened because we don't know. But can you imagine? And then you're like, cool, thanks a lot. Yeah, you're like awesome.

They did confiscate the phones, computers, and records from Brandon Bell, Brian Bell, their father, Rick Bell, and Brian Bell's girlfriend. They were all seized. They found nothing. Well, even the FBI too. Probably knows how to get rid of information. That's the other thing. It's like, this is all well and fine, but he's an FBI. Right. They have a lot of power.

Now, later, Brandon Bell actually got like a crazy football scholarship to Florida State University as a linebacker. Mm-hmm. But they withdrew that scholarship because they were just questioned. They were worried about the potential of them possibly giving a scholarship to a potential murder. I mean, yeah, which that really sucks if he didn't do it. That's the thing if he didn't do it that sucks That's really sad because then it's like two lives are a little bit not I mean as life is Yeah are affected. Yeah, but like affected. Yeah, this you know, but if he did do it like good So January 2015 the Johnson's filed a $100 million lawsuit saying Rick Bell ordered his sons to kill Kendrick So they filed a suit saying this whole thing was planned. Hold up.

What? Yeah, that it was a big conspiracy theory, a big cover up. Now, unfortunately, they didn't have a whole lot to back this up, besides just them saying it. Is he like a known racist or something? Like, is that what they're trying to say? I don't think so, because I feel like if you're an FBI agent, you have to, like, you can't be a known racist or something? Like, is that what they're trying to say? I don't think so, because I feel like if you're an FBI agent, you have to, like, you can't be a known racist.

You at least have to not outwardly portray your racism by a assume. What are they going off of that? The dad wanted this to happen. Well, that's the thing. It's just like, I think that's the thing that was working against the Johnson's a little bit is they started getting a little too,

they were casting their net a little too wide when it comes to what they were going to accuse people of because they just wanted the answer. They just want answers and that's, they deserve answers. And you're going to go to all these wild places in your mind when your child is taken from you. Right. Yeah. And my God, I hope they get answers because I want answers. But yeah, November 2015, the Department of Justice filed a motion to stay the case in a state of proceeding would

mean that they would stop all further legal process. This can be lifted later. But this motion was denied. So Kendrick's mother, Jackie, decided she was going to dismiss that original $100 million lawsuit because she said they wanted to find out what the Department of Justice was going to see during their own investigation. Right. And then they would figure it out from there. So then the Johnson's got sued themselves. By who?

For $850,000. Is it for attorney fees. For attorneys fees and for defamation. Okay, and it was going to be defamation. There was a lot of people like I said that they brought into this. There was a lot of names that they threw out that they accused and these people were big names. And these people getting like, you know, reputations ruined obviously and all that. When you think about it, it's like an FBI agent, a superintendent of a school. Yeah, it's starting to get crazy. So they did get sued themselves for the attorney fees of these people. So June 20th, 2016, the Department of Justice announced no criminal charges would be brought forth for Johnson's death. They said they couldn't find anything criminal about it. Now this is when, in 2016, the anonymous

got into this. You know who anonymous is. Yes. Well, or isn't. But, so they got into this whole thing. And they decided that they were going to take a look at it because, you know, that's what they do. They look at these kind of things and they decide, you know, whether it's worth getting into themselves. And they looked at it, they looked into it, and they immediately were like, oh, this is a fucking cover-up. Yeah, of course it is. And where did I suppose this shit? So they put out like a 10 minute video that was basically them going over just everything

that they had that they said, look, this is a cover up. I keep getting the craziest body chills throughout this. Right, like my whole video is online. But I'm gonna play like the end of this video because it will give you like the PBJB. So let me just get the video. KJ was found beaten and blood east huffed inside of a method he could have gotten out of. The collection of evidence was mishandled purposely to help cover up the crime. The surveillance was edited with hours deleted. The only DNA tested the blood on Walton-Mathra KJs and it didn't match.

What really happened to Kendrick Johnson that day? Who killed that boy before he could begin exploring life after high school. Why did the authorities not do a full and complete investigation into the death of this teen? With every piece of new evidence that is revealed there are more questions raised than answers given, some black students were told they were not allowed to be interviewed by law enforcement. Administration that mounts high school told students if they talked. Their graduation would be threatened. The people of Waldastor know a cover-up has taken place and that local law enforcement will harass and arrest them for providing false statements. The people are afraid of the backlash if they

come forward. The time has come for those people to join the fight for justice. Expose the corrupt for who they are. Expose the racism that is alive and well in Valdastra. The time has come to stand against the oppressors and fight for the truth. We are anonymous. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget Lowns County, Georgia.

You should have expected us. Yo, I'm freaking the fuck out right now. I don't know why I almost started crying like I'm a little bit crying It doesn't it make you like Overwell, you know, yeah, cuz you just feel it like you're like fuck yeah Like the fuck girl was people why wasn't this hell holy shit. I moved it moves you it really does Yeah, the fact that I didn't I didn't know that they threatened their graduation if they talked. Isn't that crazy? I do like a whole lot of it.

I'm gonna fuck about walking across your dumb ass stage anyway. Seriously, like fuck you. Like what? And that's the thing. And it's like, people of color in Veldasta, Georgia have been stifled from speaking up before. Right. There was a recent article where there was a recent political rally of some sort, where people of color were taken out of this and not allowed to even be part of it. I knew that. That's like a lot of stuff.

And it happened several times. And it's like, there is a history of this happening. And it's like, it does need to be addressed. And it does need to be taken into account. I just don't understand. Like I cannot wrap my head around 2020. This still existing. And I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm saying I know that it doesn't. I can't wrap my head around the fact that people are still so ignorant. And so racism is so crazy to me. It's like, right, hating someone because they look different from you. They have a different color skin. Right. It just doesn't make sense. Why is one better than the other? It's beyond my comprehension. And maybe it's because, like, I mean, it is you grow up in a family and it's told to you from whatever. But like, it is, it's happened to grow up in a family

that was told the exact opposite. So, I guess that's why. One race, like I know that racism exists in a lot of different races, but especially in the community of people of color. And it's like, yeah, like black people are still not allowed to get ahead and it's not, if they're a jog, you can't go to school. They're so intense.

Go to the corner store. You can't even, I mean, you can't even sit in your own house. Remember the guy, recently, who the police officer walked into his home. Literally, and shot him dead while he was eating ice cream on his couch. Yeah, not bothering a single person.

It's, sorry, that's so frustrating. It pisses me off. That's why it's like no matter what happened here, this was not investigated properly. And it's, and it wasn't investigated properly quite possibly because he is a black kid. And this is, it's, it's not fair. Like, if it was a tragic accident, okay, but prove to me that it's a tragic accident by doing your fucking do-diligent diligence and get me the evidence that says it is, because right now, you're not giving it to me. Right. It's so far. Why are you not doing it? Because it's like so far, sure. I can, somewhere in my mind, I can be like, maybe this was a tragic accident, but you're not proving it to me.

I don't have, I can't say for like, but in my heart, I don't believe that Kendrick Johnson went into that mat fully conscious. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, unfortunately, so far, we have not found out yet. But when was that statement released by Anonymous? That was in 2016. Okay. It did like, you know, people started looking more into it. I mean, they let out some stuff that people didn't know about. But again, not a lot was done because this case is like at a grinding halt. But then in August, on August 10th, 2017, the Johnson's ended up having to pay $200,000 of that $850,000 lawsuit for those attorneys fees. So the Lounds County Sheriff Chris

Prime, he's a good dudes. Bad dudes. So CNN did, they agreed they didn't interview with him or he agreed to do an interview with them. So CNN shows up, he welcomes them into his office, and then immediately when they're like, okay, we'd like to talk about the Kendrick Johnson case and why you guys ruled it as accident, he stood up, said, I will not talk about that on camera. This is on camera. Like why? And when the reporter was like, why won't you talk about it? He goes, because I don't want to talk about it with you. Okay.

And not for nothing, the reporter was a black man, just saying. And not only that, he took this man and he led him to the back door and was like, you can leave now. Like he literally kicked him out of the Sheriff's Department. What? The second this man asked about Kendrick Johnson. Like you literally kicked him out. The second he just asked.

He didn't even apply anything at all. He was not aggressive. He did not accuse anyone of anything He literally asked to talk about this case and why they ruled it an accident and this dude lost his ship If you were fully convinced in your investigation that this was an accident and that you gave it the best investigation You possibly could have you would sit there and explain your hard work and explain why you felt that way because if you felt that way You feel strongly that it was that. Exactly.

That's the thing that's really, it's like he didn't want to have to sit there. He was afraid. I guarantee he was afraid. He was going to slip up in something he said. Oh yeah, that's it. Well, that's the thing. It's, if you're, if this is an accident, tell me why it's an accident. Man, explain it to me.

And you can't because there's so much that they didn't do here that could have proved. No, this was not an accident. Why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, then we need to let it go. No, we don't. It was an accident. And I think he's just basically being like, let's all try to heal from it, basically. Let's not get it. But that's him. He definitely changed his tune a little bit. So June 22, 2018, the Johnson's ordered a third autopsy for Kendrick.

So he was exhumed again. The results of this autopsy, the cause of death was a parent non-accidental blunt force trauma. So it basically confirmed the results of the second one. Yep. And they said it was in the right neck and thorax area, which is like they said before. Yeah. So it confirmed the second autopsy. So February 9th, 2018, there was Kenneth and Jackie Johnson filed an affidavit that said, someone confessed that their friend confessed to murdering Kendrick. Another confession? Yep. Now, all the names have been removed from the document, so you can't see it, but it says, quote, the person struck Kendrick Johnson in the neck with a 45-pound weight or dumbbell. Uh-huh.

And it said that this person who did this also, quote, facilitated the editing of the high school's surveillance video by corrupting or deleting some one-hour and 25 minutes of the original recording. So this person hit him with a dumbbell and then was also able to have access to the security cameras, like broken somehow or alter them, aided in the cover-up of it. Okay. So in your mind, does that say a student or in your mind, does that say a faculty member? So when your mind does that say a student or in your mind does that say a faculty member? I mean, if I'm like going out of the limb here, I'm saying somebody who has the means

to do this, which to me would be someone whose father is in the FBI, but right, I don't know. Because again, I don't know. Like I don't know. This was filed. This affidavit was filed saying this, people wrongly and falsely confessed to things all the time. And this is a very high profile case that people want to always want to be involved in attention with these things. So I don't know. And that's

the thing that kills me. I'm like, I don't know. But the altering, I don't know what the video, I mean, you're so right. You're like like the nail is hit right on the head. It's like his dad worked for the. I mean, that's. But again, I'm not going to sit here and accuse Brian and Brandon Bell of anything because there's also no evidence that says that they didn't. We're there. Right. This is just like there's no evidence that says to the contrary. So it's like, where is that fucking security footage? Why? So it's like where is that fucking security footage? Why? Exactly. Nothing is ever gone.

That's my issue. Nothing is ever gone. I know. And it's like where is it somewhere? Go somewhere. Well, after that, the only update I could find for this case is January 2020. So this year. Okay.

A couple of months ago, really? Yes. And Kenneth and Jacqueline Johnson filed a suit for $75,000, naming an FBI agent and his sons, lounge school superintendent West Taylor, former lounge county sheriff Chris Prine, lounge county sheriff's officer, Stride Jones, Steven Owens, the owner of a transport service, loans county

as a whole, the medical examiner Mary Ann Gaffney Kraft in Robert Bryan, and a death investigator for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. So good. That's all I could find about that and there's no update on it. But so long. Yeah, but so far it seems like this thing just keeps hitting brick walls. And every time you think that there's something

that's getting you somewhere, you know what you're half to keep going? Because it's like you someday, if you give up, you don't know what that answer is still out there. It's like, yeah. And parents don't give up on their kids, they just don't.

No way, you just don't. I mean, you can't ever know, like yeah. And parents don't give up on their kids. They just don't. No way. You just don't. I mean, you can't ever know, like, I would never be able to give up until I had concrete proof of what happened. That would just be going forever and ever and ever. Exactly. And it's probably spent their entire, I mean, now they're spending their entire lives dedicated

to this. All their finances probably revolve around this. Like just, if you know anything, come forward. Exactly. That's not fair. And it's, and it's so frustrating because I can sit here and I can logically say in my mind that sure there is a chance that he fell into that mad. I think it's a very, very, very, very small chance. But it's a chance. Right. And it's still there. I cannot say with 100% certainty that that did not happen because I wasn't there and because the evidence doesn't support either side. But where did the blood force trauma come from that came up in two out of three autopsies?

But that's the other thing. So it's like, I feel like that almost takes that chance away. But why wasn't that noted in the first autopsy? And that wasn't even a real autopsy, I feel like. You also have to look at the fact that that bruise was two to three inches long. That is weird. That that corroded artery bifurcation. But then, of course, trauma is really not a thing. Now I'm thinking though, think of a dumbbell and you know how they have those little edges where it's like, yeah, each one of them is probably about two to three centimeters yeah it's

like a pen it's not a pentagon it's like a mini a gone but yeah you know what mean it's those little things and one of those little side to it so oh it's absolutely absolutely possible and that's the thing it's our endless both of the sides are possible if I have to lean towards one side, I lean towards homicide. Yeah, I lean towards he didn't go into that mat willingly and he didn't go into that mat conscious. I'm not even I don't even think I'm leaning. I think I'm fully on the side of. Yeah, I just yeah, I can't sit here very comfortable person. I can't comfortably sit here and say that I think he fell into that matter.

I can't argue that side. I don't think there is any argument for that side really. I think there's way too many arguments against that to rule it out as a possibility. Yeah, but it's like, I also can't say, you know, I know what happened because I don't know me either because you definitely don't but I think there's definitely A lot worth looking into and I think things weren't done properly They weren't done thoroughly and I think that absolutely has to do with race Yeah, and they should be held accountable for it

I think it's really sad that that's don't fuck this up should have to do their due diligence And they should have to reopen this case and they should have to do the steps They should have taken initial and you kept saying um prior sheriff So it's there's a new there's a new sheriff in town new sheriff and it's like not you take care of business Like I know that's one of your own, but do you really want to protect to cover up like I guess the new sheriff did say if new Evidence is brought forth. We will look at it like if there's new testimony new evidence is brought forth, we will look at it. Like if there's new testimony brought forth, we'll look at it.

The Blumforce Trauma, the second fucking admission of guilt. But that's the thing, what can they do with that stuff? I know, it's so frustrating, I'm just pissed off. It's like, that's the thing, it's like, you're like, oh, there's evidence, and you're like, but they literally can't do anything with that. It's like, it's circumstantial evidence. That's second confession, it's like, yeah, that would be here.

Just confessions are confessions. I'm really impressed. I'm really impressed right now. I'm really frustrated. It's very frustrating. Yeah. And I just, you know, I'm sure everybody's, this is one of those cases everybody has an opinion about it.

Everybody has stuff to say about it. Yeah. Well, definitely we're going to post this on Instagram and all that, but everybody feel free to have discussions. But please keep it respectful. stuff to say about it. We're definitely going to post this on Instagram and all that, but everybody feel free to have discussions, but please keep it respectful. Keep your discussions respectful because you know what? None of you know what happened. None of us know what happened. Unless you were there. Unless you were there. No, we know what happened. Are the people that were there. So we can't all sit here and tell each other that we're idiots and all that means.

It's still kind of a waste of time and you should really talk about somebody that was potentially murdered and keep it respectful because that's definitely what that person would have wanted. Exactly. So definitely discuss just make sure that you're having lively and respectful debates because we love that. So that's the tale, the twisty, crazy, ongoing tale of the tragic, no matter what way you spin it, death of Kendrick K.J. Johnson. It's like a devastating death, no matter which way you slice it. Takes a lot out of you. Well, on a brighter note, even though I don't even want to go to a brighter note, because this is

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