Morbid - Episode 142: Maria Elena Milagro De Hoyos, The Unwilling Corpse Bride With Special Guest Rachel O'Brien

Episode Date: May 25, 2020

Maria Elena Milagro De Hoyos, known as Elena, walked into a Key West hospital suffering from a fatal infection of tuberculosis. Instead of a cure, she found a radiologist named Karl Tanzler who instantly became obsessed with her. Although the affections were one sided, when Elena passed away a couple of months later, Karl just couldn't let his soulmate go. What he did next is unthinkable, and he never really paid a price for it. Join Ash, Alaina and special guest, comedian Rachel O'brien, as we dig deep into Karl's crazy world. Check out Rachel's pod/comedy! And make sure to watch out for her new upcoming podcast Seven Deadly Sinners! Rachel O'brien Comedy For a great article on this case written by one of our listeners, Addison Nugent, check it out on OZY.com! The Woman of his Dreams Died, But He Didn't Let That Pull Them Apart Thanks to our sponsors! Pretty Litter Get the world’s smartest litter without leaving home by visiting PrettyLitter.com and use promo code MORBID for 20% off your first order. Thrive Market Try Thrive Market and become a member risk-free! Go to ThriveMarket.com/MORBID. Join today and you’ll get up to twenty dollars in shopping credit toward your first order. T See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, guys. Before we start this episode, I just wanted to make a quick correction. In the episode, I said that Karl was a radiologist. But I misspoke. He is a radiology technician. So he is not an MD, which a radiologist, but I misspoke he is a radiology technician. So he is not an MD which a radiologist isn't MD, he was a technician. Regardless, he was bananas

and what he does is insane, but I just wanted to clear that up. That a radiologist isn't MD and he was a radiology mission. I just misspoke. Terribly sorry, but wanted to clear it up. Thanks. Enjoy the episode. The Argastic Future that we're seated before, whatever. I know the whole fucking thing! Yeah! I feel like we're all soulmates. Yeah, it's gonna be very sad. I'm excited. I'm excited.

I feel it in my bones. Hey weirdos, I'm Alena. I'm Ash. And I'm Rachel. And this is morbid collab. I'm so excited. We'll tell us who you are Rachel. Introduce yourself. Like my bio, I'm just the entire thing.

I'm Rachel O'Brien of the Bee here for a while podcast, and I am newly obsessed with your guys' podcast. I literally, like I think my boyfriend thinks I'm crazy, because I'm like, no, I don't want to listen to music. I'm listening to the three-part Dennis Radar episode. Yes. It is an honor that you are a fan of our podcast because low-key creepy.

We have been watching you on TV since like 2014. Thank you. So you mean you spot me like, where's Waldo in the background? Because I'm not really in the show. Well, you were like, oh, you were definitely on the beginning episode. I was like, this girl's fucking hilarious. You were in like the pivotal like the moments of Anna

probably like the really good so and so uncomfortable like I was like oh I shouldn't be here this isn't the person I am there's too much screaming you're like I actually I have to go people are mean and I'm not here for it I would be like we were actually just talking about because we're like oh yeah she was on like the best parts of the show. Literally. She got real, she got in there at the ground floor. Yeah.

It was just talking about the moment on the beach when Ariana said that she takes sketch comedy very seriously. And I was like, the way Rachel handled that was awesome, because she was just like, okay. That was awesome. People were always so confused as to why I still sat there and Kristen got out. Because I think, I was like, I just didn't know what to do with my body. I was like, oh, you're like, can the earth just move me from this place that I'm not right now? I remember that business.

And part of me was like, even though Ariana had never seen me do comedy and that was like right before I was going to go on like my first USO tour, like, Oh god, so you're like, awesome. I really, I'm not funny. But, but at the same time, I'm also like so like, uh, not passive, but like I was kind of like, part of me was like, well, I understand your point, Ariana. I see where you're coming from, not everyone else to like me. Yeah, really like it's cool.

I'm really glad you take it so seriously. Because comedy should be taken seriously. Yeah, that was the beginning of my love hate relationship with her. I was like, oh, okay, that's a good rule. She's actually awesome. She's actually awesome. Yeah, I was actually awesome.

Yeah, well, and then when she was a guest on my podcast, we like, I like thought about it. We find the clear it up. I was like, what could I have done to you? What could I have done to you? You know, like me. And then I was like, oh, I was with Chris if we brought in Miami girl and Chris and screamed to you.

Oh my God. And then we chased you out of the restaurant. And she was like, yeah. And I was like, yeah, it makes sense. You're like, that's why you said I wasn't funny. I get it now. That wasn't funny. Yeah, I was. I was. That wasn't funny. I always got.

That was the first time ever meeting me. So I can see what you probably would like me. There it is. Oh my god, my end goal. I forgot about my Emmy girl and that you were there for that. That's legendary. Because I was hiding. I was literally like, oh my god.

I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine. I can't imagine. Stop acting like a wild animal. I can't imagine a wild animal. Anyways, yeah, Ariana's super sweet though. We were just saying earlier how like, Kristen makes the show. Like when she's not in an episode,

I'm like, cool, where is she? Like, wow. Oh, Kristen's the best. She's legit though, one of the nicest people. And like, I always say this about Kristen. She seems it. She is not, I've known her for 12 years plus. And she is the same person I met when I met her then and then she is now

Except what's ever she's grown up a little bit, but like she's not pretentious. She doesn't think she's better than people Like she really doesn't seem like that and I feel like she's always sticking up for the underdog It's her favorite thing to do It always ends up being that way for those kind of people. I feel like all right Well, I think we have one more Vanderpump rules question and then we'll like move on to The the podcast podcast. Okay, we have to ask and we can edit this out if you want but Jack's Taylor What the fuck was it like to do Jack's Taylor? like yeah similar, but I was so young and so naive like And it was like the first guy I met.

Yeah, it was the first guy I met in LA and he's one of those ones where they like, he was small to me right away. Like, it's very much like, yes. Yes, and it's very much like, I want to date you right away. I want to marry you. I want to do what I want.

I want to do what I want. And I don't know. Like, I was very naive to like, partying and things like that. So I was just constantly like, oh yeah, about him. In a weird way, that was like half the reason why I stayed with him, but then I pieced out like once I found out he cheated on me.

But I was always trying to figure out if he was cheating on me. But he's so like, his theatrics are so, I mean Jackson, our friends say, it's fine, whatever. But like, his theatrics are so big where I'd be like, hey, this girl just mess messaging me on my face. Yes, I face. Saying that she like made out with you in a bathroom and his response to that would be the city

of Los Angeles is going to love it. Even before Vanderpump rules, he's like, no, everybody's out to get me. Yeah, I'm like, what is the city of Los Angeles have to do with this girl? And he's like, I got to move the floor. This is like, I'm like, you're like, but live though. You're like, is that a no? So you're like, okay, that's nothing happened. What?

So that didn't happen? Yeah, exactly. So you're just kind of like, I don't really know to take this. You're like, you're like, you're like, don't move the floor though, if you didn't cheat on me. Like, bye. What?

That's a great tactic. Just like totally confused and distracted. Just like, he's so over it's like. He's a fly guy for sure. I'm like, wow, that's like kind of, that's a talent for sure. Oh yeah. I don't think it's fly until you know what that looks like,

but I know you're young, exactly. But like if someone did that, yeah, if someone did that to me now, I'd be like, can you please stop just saying that to me just to try to confuse me? Yeah. Hindsight 2020, because I have an just saying this? It's at me just to try to confuse me. Yeah. Hindsight, 2020. Because I have an ex-boyfriend who's exactly like that.

And so I was like, I feel you, girl. I feel you. Because now I'm like, what? Yeah, it's so crazy when you're in it. Yeah. Wait, I'm so confused. And I don't have the time to figure this out right now. I'm just going to chug along and just

let it go. But after we're like, what's the point? I'm doing there. No, that would not happen. Seriously. Yeah, 100%. Well, that's so yeah. But I mean, him and Brittany and Amber

are very good together. They are. Brittany's adorable. Yeah. She really is. She's very sweet. She seems like she's doing so much fun to party with. So much fun.

She's just adorable. But that's all the Vanda Pumples rule shove down your throat. Yeah, exactly. I want to get it out. No worries. I think before we do our story, before we tell you our story, we want to ask you one more question. Because on your, I think it's your most recent podcast episode,

you talk about like a murder house or a murder apartment that's down the street from your house. Can you give us a brief insight about that? Well, yes, I will do it now because I don't think that's what I'm gonna do with you guys when you guest on my podcast this week. Because I don't think that there's a ton of info on it. But so my whole neighborhood was being locked down

a couple of weeks ago because there was these three car jackers that then escaped and then they were hiding and like people was like backyards and all this crazy stuff. And so my neighbors and I were all in our courtyard and they forgot how it got brought up but he was saying like this, I was like, I thought our neighborhood was safe. He was like, no, we literally have a murder apartment building

like two blocks over. I was like, tell me more, I love murder. And they were all like, no, we literally have a murder apartment building, like two blocks over. And I was like, tell me more. I was like, tell me more. I love murder. And they were all like, you're weird. I was like, not in that way. But I'm fascinated. I actually have two on my street.

But this, OK. So this murder apartment, there's another one where someone next door to me, it was a some rich dude with a young girlfriend and a baby killed or drained her blood like we crazy shit. But this one, this one's bad too. So this murder apartment, like in 2016, there was a doctor and his boyfriend and something about like maybe the boyfriend cheated

and the doctor, I think, was the one that murdered him. And either he ate his boyfriend's heart or he'd stuck his boyfriend's heart into his boyfriend's mouth. I couldn't quite figure out if he ate his boyfriend's heart or he'd stuck his boyfriend's heart into his boyfriend's mouth. I couldn't quite figure out if he made his boyfriend eat his own heart or he ate the heart. Holy shit. And then two weeks later, there was like a group of friends,

probably on drugs. And I can't imagine that the guy was in the right state of mind And like two weeks later, there was like a group of friends, probably on drugs. And I can't imagine that this guy was in the right state of mind that did the heart eating thing. I can't. I mean, because what's Hollywood is a big like, you know, that kind of drug going on. And so this other one was like some, I think the guy was on like PCP, something. I don't know, one of those scary things.

I'm willing to bet. No one should do. A paranoid drug. Yeah, literally, why would you do a drug that you've heard someone ate someone's face? Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Like, why would you be like, you know what, I'll try. It doesn't sound like fun.

Yeah, it probably won't happen to me. No. Anyway, something. Yeah. There's like many other options. And like, you don't need to do that. Kind of brush that. So then two weeks later, I guess this one friend just started stabbing a couple of the

other friends that they were all hanging out with. And it's like two weeks later in the same apartment. Oh my gosh. Like, there's some bad juju in there. Yeah, some bad juju in there. Yeah. Anyways, this is bad stuff coming out of those walls. I don't want to be anywhere.

I got to research it more and figure it out, but it's very dark. They're not just casual murders. No, intense. You ate a heart. They got run of the mill murders over here. Carving out organs. I'll send you guys the names of them. So in case you want to cover them in the future.

I'm going to thank you. Podcast. I'm giving you credit. There's a lot of coverage on the draining of the blood one that I'm sure you guys could do a follow-up. We love a vampire murder. We do. Give you Chris. Yeah, there's a lot of coverage on the draining of the blood one that I'm sure you guys could do a Follow up. We love a vampire murder. We do. I love it. Yeah, we do Well the my this case is a bonkers one and I I wanted to do one that was just like real weird. So we had a lot to talk about.

And this is the case of Carl Tansler. And this is from like the early 19, it's like 1920s. So it's like far enough removed that we can just like shit all over it if we want to. And it's totally fun. We can be a little more joky than we normally would. Yeah, which we love. It's a true crime comedy podcast. Yeah, and the words of Karen Kilgar if you can get the fuck. Yes, exactly. The live shows. The legendary Karen Kilgar. We bow down. So this is Carl Tansler, aka Count Carl von Kossel. Same. I want that name.

Did he make himself a count or was sure this was he sure did. He's like a little man find a deal. Yeah. Cool. Oh, yeah, yeah. More brown. Got it. Woo. Yeah, he sure he definitely made himself a count.

He was not born. So no, no, no, no, it's not not that I know of at least if he has lineage I'm sure they have removed themselves from Students out there. So he was born February 8th 1877 he's from Dresden Germany in yeah Dresden you know of it In 1920 he married his wife Doris. They had two daughters Aisha and Clarista. Wow, those are very, very modern names. They're cool. Aisha, right? Wow, it's a cool name.

Clarista. Clarista knows it all. Yeah, that would be a good idea. Clarista Aisha. Exactly. I'm a young man. I was going to say that. I was ahead of your time. I'm like, it freaks me out. I'm like, you are when I hear you guys talk about, I'm a young man. I was gonna say that. I was ahead of your time. I'm like, it freaks me out how young you are when I hear you guys talk about what you're only, like, fuck. And I'm also realistically like a 70 year old woman. Like, God, it's very gem in my life. I feel like I've like forced you into being like a 70 year old woman too sometimes. Yeah.

But I'm sure you can hear my horror sometimes when I'm like, yeah, this was in like 1993 and you're like, it wasn't all in like, like, let me get her to her. It does. I'm like, all right, I'm elderly, that's fine. So yeah, you know, so you're an old soul. You know, so you're an old soul. So Clarista, unfortunately, when she was 10 years old, died of diptheria. Oh, sure. Because that was something that happened in the 1920s. You just lay that and just up and die of diptheria. I don't even know what that is.

It's one of those things you would get on the Oregon Trail, I'm pretty sure. Like, that's one of those. Oh, I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I did the real total. I feel like that's one of those, like, like, you got, like, E. Coli or like something like that. Yeah, it's one of the vaccinations.

Try to think, dis-discentery. Oh, yeah, disentery. Disentery. That was thinking of, never mind. Discentery is like diarrhea to death, essentially. I don't think you said E. Coli. They had some bad sushi in their house. Well, I was definitely thinking of bad diarrhea.

And then I was like, oh, wait, that's just a terria. I was going to make a bad diarrhea joke. And then I was like, oh, no. And then you're like, wap wap. So yeah, dip terria, that's a wap wap. So he had one daughter. It ended up not mattering because he just like bailed on all of them for no good reason.

Like he was just like, bye. As they tell you, no. So he emigrated from Germany originally in 1926, came to the United States via Cuba. He first settled in Florida, of course, and he became one of the original Florida men for sure. I was going to make a Florida man joke. I'm so glad you said that. You got it. You got it with this one.

And eventually he settled down in Key West where this all happens. So Carl was eccentric to say the very least. He claimed to be a doctor. He was not. So he claimed to be a doctor and a count and is neither. And a count. Well, if count. If you just if you reinvent your life, you could just make shit up. No one who you want to be. No one has the internet to look it up

at that time. Just say your doctor. If you feel like say your fucking royalty, it's fine. Some people just went with it. They were like, all right, doctor, car. That's fine. Cool. Your count. Awesome. So he claimed to be a count, a doctor, he claimed to be like a like a war hero at one point like a submarine service war hero He was not and how old was he and how was going he was in his fifties So he was like oh, he could have yeah, he could have the time for and also he probably got a crisis So he's just like trying to be he's like, you know what I wanted to get these things

So I might as well just say I'm these things. I'm going to have to bring Jacks back into it because at least this guy was in his 50s. When I dated Jacks, so he's probably like eight years older than me or something, I remember the amount of things he had done, graduate with advertising degree, played hockey in college, also served in the army,

or Navy or something, and all these things. I was like like I don't think you had the time for all that and then where'd you fit that all into like I'm doing the math right now and it's just not and that when I finally met his mom and I was like at least he went to college because he was struggling she goes my son never went to college I was like oh any who you like well shit Like I knew I knew algebra I knew that I was thought his mom in the whole city of LA was out to get him

It's yes, it's saying it with confidence which is what these dudes do you just say it with confidence yes and people are like okay Exactly Oh, yeah, so true. I got to learn that's yeah, you got it. You be large, yeah. Oh yeah. So true. I got to learn that. Yeah, you got it. You just say it with complete and total confidence. I could be so many different things. Yeah. You could be whatever you want to be.

Yeah. Anything. So he said he used to like build boats. He owned a ton of ships. He said he owned an island at one point. He said he built planes. He claimed he was gailed by the British for safe keeping and then released at the end of the war. You got to tone the lies down. You can't go too hard with that. That's the problem. People are going to start to question the problem. And then he can't

keep track of them all. You're like, wait, was I a fucking pilot or did I build the planes? Like, I don't remember. Exactly. So then you just start adding it and being like, I was both because that's just easier. Yeah. But they always take it too far. They overextend the lie and that's when they get caught. So yeah, so he was doing a whole bunch of shit. Basically, he was just like, J Gatsby. He's being the whole thing like, back to J Gatsby.

Yeah, he was just, it sounds like he like read that book halfway through and was like, that seems like it'll work out for him. I'm just gonna do that. Oh my god, that's like the con man that book halfway through and was like that seems like it'll work out for him I'm just gonna do that. Oh my god. That's like the con man book What's the serial killer one that they all read before? Oh? How do I catch her in the rye? Yes, there you go. I love that look. Gatsby's like the con man. Yeah, yeah, it's a phony But what he actually was for real was a radiologist

Well, so that's like pretty cool still a good job, right? I mean you got it That's a job and you have to know a lot of shit that I don't know technological especially in the 20s. I bet it was hard It's a good job to have it's like dude. You don't have to embellish and he was a radiologist at Key West U.S. Marine Hospital Which is you know good for you, man. So like we said, Carl was eccentric, like we've talked about. And he claimed that as a child, he would have all these visions, these like dreams and premonitions that were not like other children being like, oh, I had this dream.

And, you know, I was floating on a unicorn in the sky. No, he said his visions were like spirits telling him like how he was going to live his life, telling him the future. And one very important vision was he claimed it was his dead ancestor, counter, countis Anna Constantia Vancasal, who remember he is not a cow. Wow. So, but he's got to keep it up. He's got to keep it up. He's got to prove the lineage. He's got the lineage.

Yeah. Again, before Google, he said it and they were like, yeah, countis Anna, I know her well. Cool. Yeah. She must have been awesome. Yeah. In countess Anna. Yeah, well in Countess Anna's awesome,

because she came to him as a child, and she was like, listen, Carl, I'm going to reveal your true love to you. I'm going to show you who your true love in life is going to be. And she eventually did. And Carl said she showed him the face of a dark haired, beautiful, and in his words, exotic woman, which I was woman which I was like oh of course she did oh of course she did lovely that's what she looks like she's beautiful dark haired you know with with big boobs a small waist big butt exactly oh it's Kim Kardashian you know yeah she can

she can cook and wear stilettos all day and like it's great good job Carl Yeah, it'll be great. Yeah, and of course he saw this and he was smitten He was like great, but she didn't exist in his life yet So he was like I just had to wait around until she came into my life, you know, that's just what you do So, you know, and he's you know he patience what he couldn't wait to do is for her to walk into his life And then he could imbomb her without her permission and keep her in his house for seven years. Because that's what he ends up doing. And in ball.

Embolmer. Right. Embolmer without her permission is what is going to happen. Well, at that point, oh my God, you get permission. The fuck? Yeah. Wait, I actually think I kind of know what this story is, but I don't want to ruin it by telling you that I know,

but I think I like to. I thought that's how I heard this morning. I was like, I know this one. It's a twisty-turni-one. Uh, so it's... Horrible. An oldie but a goodie. Yes, no, I love...

Because I don't know it well, I just know like... This is just... ...some of the notes of like, this is fucking disgusting. Oh, yeah Carl is a situation. He is a real situation. So this woman that walked into his life she wasn't Concentual in the relationship. No, she was not consensual in any way. She was like okay, so what we're gonna So so he's working in his hospital as a radiologist at this point. This was like 1931. And this woman walks into the hospital.

Her name is Maria Elena Malegro De Hoyos, but she went by Elena. Oh, Elena. It's not like this. It's not like two. It's not like that. It's not like two. It's not like that. It's not like two.

It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like two. It's not like that. It's not like two. It's not like two. It's not like two. It's not like two. And she was the woman. She was the woman from the vision. She was that bitch. The countess was right. This is the woman.

But you know, because she's the only dark-haired person he's ever encountered. Exactly, right. He was like that one with the brown hair. Just because I saw her, that means the countess was right. Like, and, okay. Well, and she's coming in fatally ill with tuberculosis. So, she's got a sense of disease.

So many diseases here. The tuberculosis is not a poop disease. It's not. Well, Ollie. I was like, I don't think, I thought it was a cough. I actually don't know, is it a coughing disease? Yeah, it's a respiratory disease. What am I thinking of as typhoid?

A poop thing to eat is, I think you're just really lost. I don't know what that one is. Maybe, but she had the diet ran joke. She's got a lot of stuff in there. She's like giving my in. Let me have it. Well, so she had the really rare pooping disease tuberculosis. Everybody's like, ah, she go home. And listen, it's like coronavirus. It affects everyone differently. You just don't know. The symptoms, they range.

Exactly. So maybe that's what she was afflicted with. Maybe they gave her a Z-pack and it affected her in the negative way. You just don't know. Exactly. You don't know. We weren't there.

But Carl was. Yeah. And Carl was. Carl. Thank God he was. Thank goodness for Carl here. If he really steps up. He was 53 years old at this point. She was 21.

Oh. Oh, no boy. So, you know, quite a difference. And, you know, she's walking in with like a fatal illness at this point. And he's like, you're the one we're going to be together. And it's like, maybe just let her die peacefully. Because at this point and he's like, you're the one, we're gonna be together. And it's like, maybe just let her die peacefully because at this point, tuberculosis was just like not being cured. So it was just not okay.

You got tuberculosis, you were gonna die. It was just gonna be real rough. So it's like, dude, just let her let her go and pee. Yeah, she's not really looking for suitors right now. Yeah. So, it's time. She'd like to put on some makeup makeup maybe get ready. We're cover It's not her time right now. Like don't shoot your shot. Yeah, she actually just the toss your bumble cow like we're good

On a brief leave Put a pin in it for now let her cover Because like I said the breakfast was like super fatal at the time there was like no curate at all I said, the Briculistus was like super fatal at the time. There was like no curate at all. In fact, this was the leading cause of death in the US by the beginning of the 19th century. And it had killed one in seven people who had ever lived at this point.

Oh, so it was like, no joke. Now, we remember Carl is not a doctor. Right? He's a doctor, but he's not a doctor. So he sees this. He knows some doctors from the radiology area. Same thing. He's met.

He's seen the doctor. He's, you know, I'm sure he's touched a lab coat at one point, maybe. He's lunch with the doctors. He's one of them. Exactly. He's seen a chart, maybe. So he's like, I can do this.

This is fine. Exactly. And this is the woman whose his vision soulmate, obviously. So he was like, I can do this. This is fine. Exactly. And this is the woman who sees vision soulmate obviously. So he was like, you know what? I need to see to her medical care because I am a radiologist and that's my job. So I must save her. Once she started, so they would treat these patients in the hospital for a while but then they'd send them home and treat them at home at that point because it also was crazy contagious. So once she started getting treated at her parents' home, he started smuggling medical equipment to be set up at the home.

And it was like shit like x-rays, which you're like, she don't need an x-ray. I feel like that's not going to help her bro. Like I don't know. X-ray machines, he was giving her different medicines and like tonics and shit to try to cure her um, and he just like made the shit up because he was like we have to start our lives together so I need to get her healthy. Yeah, I need to take a little a little tumour echo right on track like sprinkling some garlic salt on her, see what happens. Keep her present. Um, and again, and he's obsessed with this woman at this point, it's not just that they

are visions so much. He's like, this is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. I'm obsessed with her. I'm in love with her. He's telling her this constantly. I was going to say, did she know this at this point? She sure did. And by all accounts, she was like, I'm good.

I'm dying. No, thank you, Sarah. So flattering. Why? So there's no accounts that say she was reciprocating this on any level. She was just trying to get through the day, basically. And he ended up showering her with like gifts and jewelry,

like just going all out, doing the most. She's like a nice but not useful. Yeah, she's like I'm coughing up blood. Again, I'm dying. I don't need a diamond necklace. Right. I don't know if you caught the gist of the like death that's about to happen here. She's like I'm just trying to beat those one in seven odds right now. So can you just like leave me alone for a second. So eventually he was caught for you know smuggling all this shit out of the hospital and like doing medical care on a patient Well, he's not a doctor and he was fired from his from his position at the hospital Yeah, that is um

Which is great for him because now he can spend more time with her because he's like wishing my destiny So unfortunately it was all for not because on October 25th So unfortunately it was all for not because on October 25th, 1931, Alena passed away from complications due to tuberculosis at her parents home. It was only three months after Carl had first met her, but he was... What did her parents think of him coming over there? I think they were a little stressed out about it, but it seems like they just kind of like were going with it because he was offering to pay for things. Like he was offering to, like he ended up paying

for her funeral, like totally paid for the whole thing. And I think I don't know if they were, because they had, you know, they were Cuban-American. So I think they had probably immigrated, who knows what, you know, and I think her father was a cigar maker, so I'm not really sure how, how much money they had going. And I'm sure it was a cigar maker, so I'm not really sure how, how much money they had going. And I'm sure it was helpful that this random old guy is like, I'm gonna pay for the funeral and do all this.

Yeah, like sure. And they're like, well, you're not hurting her, I guess, so fine. So he ended up paying for the funeral expenses. And then he insisted that they allow him to pay and construct a special mausoleum for Elena, because he didn't want her to be in the ground because he was like the water from the rain can get in the ground and it'll make her ugly and I don't want that. And it's like, well that's going to happen eventually, homie. Yeah, she's dead. She's going to get ugly. It's going to happen. She's dead. She's gonna get ugly. It's gonna happen. Yeah, that's.

And he also had a death mask made of her face, like right after she died. So, so what? Again, please. You heard it here first. A death mask. So, so he was like, So, he was like,

So, he was like, So, he was like, So, he was like, So, he was like, So, he was like, So, he was like, So, he was like, So, he was like, So, he was like, and meaning the shit out of his life at this point? Yeah, like he, you know how, um, recestitation Annie was like the woman pulled from... Yeah. That face is like on all the rest of the, like the CPR dolls, because it's like this beautiful face. It was a death mask. So it's like, she died.

Oh, so it was, and he made a mold of her face. With her like a plaster pair. Her actual face. Her face. Did he put some makeup on? And then just has the death, has a mask of her face now. So he can just look at her face whenever he wants to. Ha ha.

It's just as normal as it sounds. What? It's totally fine. Did he like carry, did he like take it around with him? He definitely did some shit with it later. That's for sure. Like what do you,

what do you like sit down and have dinner and then like place her Just like a pillow near him on the table like there and he's like I love you I just like put her on like a mannequin so she like looks like a human lady looks so beautiful tonight or like he's dancing with just her head Giving or giving her soft kisses No, it brings sweet nothings in her not their ears. He probably loved that she couldn't talk back. It's like, Dahmer. I cannot.

Yeah. He just drapes it on the top of a broom handle and just walks around with it. Oh my god, I'm mad at him. Oh my god, he's like, this is a woman. She drops at one point. I just splat some more. Imagine going over to your friend's house

and you're like, you're like, what is this mask on the broom? He's like, oh, that's a lady. You'll be literally, oh my god, you guys have to be on the beach. You're gonna lock this by my lock on the beach. He's like, I have to go. Oh my god, I can't believe I didn't introduce you. So rude of me. So rude of me. They're like, I'm like my universe here in 1930. By me.s. We made it. Yeah. So we made the death mask because, you know, that's just what you do when your loved one dies. We're all going to do it. So it's fun.

When you're like kind of loved one dies. Yeah. You know, the love of your life, Ash. Come on. Right? Yeah, even though they don't know it, but you know it. That's all that matters. Right. So, he, so after he did the death mask, he's like,

I'm gonna pay for this mausoleum, it's gonna be badass, and it was pretty badass. It's this like, I'm gonna post a photo of it on our Instagram because it's ridiculous. And there's a lot of photos of him just like standing next to it, like, this is my girl. And it's this like, don't mausoleum. And it's huge.

It has a full house. It's like a legit house. It's got a full-ass door that like has a handle and locks. It's got like these big flower pots all over. It has pillars in the front of it with flower pots on it. It's like crazy bad ass. It has like windowpane. It's like, yeah, it's no joke.

And it's chit-nee. Like what the fuck? Well, in that door that it has like windowpane sense. Yeah, it's a no-chimney. Like what the fuck? Well, in that door that it has, obviously has a lock because you don't want people just being able to like pop in, I guess. Let me guess. He's the only one with the key. Nailed it. Bingo. That's the rub. So I don't know. I'm not exactly sure why her family was like, yeah, totally you can have the only key. Like, that's what I would question. Well, maybe they like didn't know that the door opened. Like, maybe they thought like the cemetery

was the keeper of the key. Because like, why else would you need to go in there? They'd be like, oh, like, it's for like clean up and like the janitor has it. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that makes sense. That's true. Meanwhile, he's moved into it, probably.

Did he give up the lease on his apartment? Pretty much, he lives moved into it, probably. Did he give up the lease on his apartment? He pretty much, he lives now. No, he, like, allowed her to rest in peace and like, just, he wanted to do this, you know, out of respect. Not at all, just kidding. He didn't do that at all. Oh, good.

He used that key every fucking night. He used that key every night. Ew. So every night for two years. Wait, I have a question. When you're in a mausoleum, you're obviously in some sort of casket of sorts inside of it, right? Okay, okay, so she's not just like hanging out there, but it's like your casket goes in there,

right? Yeah, exactly. Like a drawer of sorts? And actually hers was just like not even in a drawer. It was just like the casket sitting on a thing right in the mausoleum So this is like a weird comparison But have you ever seen double jeopardy? I picture that when she gets like put in the mausoleum in the casket in there if you picture that yeah

Yeah, that is kind of how it's actually so there you go Well, and he would go in here for two years, every single night, never missed a night, he would go in there. Two years. Two years. It's his girlfriend. He can't do it. It's his vision soul mate.

Come on. Gosh, yeah. It does, though, homie. Like what? His ancestor, Countess Anna, told him that this is destiny. Yeah, he was sick. So listen, sick. You don't defy Countess Anna.

I mean, I'm not going to do. So, and he's in there, he's chit-chatting with her. He sings her songs, plays her music. Oh. Oh, I bet he is not very good either. That's not very nice to do to someone that's dead and they can't get away. That's not rustic in the East, that's rustic in distress.

Oh, she did not rest in peace, because he would also, you know, like do, you know, stuff that guys like to do to woo a lady. Like he would inject her nightly with faumau de haid via an incubator tank that he installed in her coffin so he could keep her preserved. What? Wait, so he didn't have access to opening the coffin at this point. He actually, I'm pretty sure he did actually have access to opening the coffin at this point? He actually, I'm pretty sure he did actually have access to opening the coffin.

But he wanted to preserve her before he saw it again. He was like pumping that shit in. Because I think he was thinking, I think this whole time he's like, I'm gonna take her out of there eventually. Like, little, little boat jogs, you gotta keep it fresh. Yeah, okay. And yeah, I think in his head he's like, eventually I'm gonna get up the nerve and I'm gonna take her out of here So I'm gonna keep her as fresh as I can here while we can yeah

You gotta do that and you got it. You can't just like let it happen for two years and then take out whatever's in there You don't want a big surprise and you open that and she's right exactly. You know, you want to keep her fresh She want to remember her the way she was well at least he has that mask though He can like put that over her face I guess There you go her death mask seems like a better solution or Leather face shit right there just put her own face over her face. I'm like moderately stressed about this It's absolutely disgusting. It's real gross and he so he and then he claimed that her ghost would pop up every now and then and just be like, Oh, hey, Carl, thanks for hanging out with me.

What's up, like, literally just come home and be like, Hey, bro, like nice of you to hang with me. This is real fun. And then eventually keep up the good work on the songs. Thanks for the free Botox. Yeah, thank you for this injection of the fun. What a look up, every night. Like, you're the best, the most romantic. We're soulmates.

And then eventually, he says that one night, she was just like, you gotta get me out of here. I can't be in here anymore. She was like, I'm going up the walls. Like, I'm going crazy. Yeah. So he had to do what he had to do. He had to do the hard work.

He was much obliged to help her out with this. So, he documented a lot of this too in journals and there's actually a book and I'm going to post the name of the book because of course I think it's like the lost diary of Count von Kossel, I think it's called. Can they drop the count if it's not right? So, they don't give this guy the credit. I'm not giving this count shit. It's like when you guys did like Dennis right R and then said I'm Sam.

You're like, I'm not gonna call him son of a Sam if he gave you some fuck. No, it's a day that you're leaving. You don't get it. Yeah, you can't name yourself. No, no. You can't name yourself count. We're not gonna reward your man. I know.

We're not gonna stroke your ego. Fucking Dennis. B-T-K. What's this guy's name again? His name is Carl. Carl. Of course, it's fucking Carl. Sorry to all the Carls out there My husband loves the name Carl actually his is like weird fascination with the name Carl

He thinks it's like the best name ever like my best friend's boyfriend's name is Carl There you go. I'm just a nice car. I'll say everywhere like if you're listening Carl. What up? What's up? Great name. Keep up the good work keep on carlin it's such a regular name though for such like a weird fucking dude yeah in this case well because it his name is count von Kassel Carl von Karl Kassel could we call him not his death Carl von Kassel so yeah so he so he was writing in his journals you know documenting this whole thing. And shortly before he made his real move, he wrote, quote, I am so happy to be back with you, my darling.

Very soon, the hour approaches when I will take you home with me. Well, this is the point, like, uh-oh, in the journal, when like, if this was like a saved by the bell episode, it would be when Zach Morris, like, looks at the camera and is like, oh shit! This is when she got weird. Like, this is the moment where it's like, oh no, stop now, like record scratch. This is when I went by my giant cell phone and called 911. Exactly.

Oh shit. Excuse me, I'm here to see. This is when you fucked with Mr. Belding way too much. Yes. So, this was a lot. And after two years, he was like, I'm through the courting phase. I've corded her. And now it's time to move this onto the next level.

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These haunting accounts sound like Hollywood movies, but I assure you this is actually happening. Follow this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder app. So he took her body out of the mausoleum. He placed her in a toy wagon. A toy wagon alarming. You heard that right. Sorry I'm hoping this is at night time correct. I'm assuming it's at nighttime, yeah. In a toy wagon, can you fucking imagine

if you were just driving down the road and you saw a gentleman with a woman in a toy wagon who may or may not have a death mask on and she's like hanging out of it like my boy. And he's just like John to Lee walk it down the street like a lane I just want to know her she's great yeah my girl would you be like uh would you call the cops or would you just pretend like you didn't see it like I think that I would be full on bystander effect and be like sorry I didn't see that

yeah that's that's one of those moments where you like I don't even know if I saw that right I'm just gonna keep going. Because it's like, what would you say? Like, hey, 911. Oh, I think I thought could be a doll. I could have made it up. I don't know, but there's a guy with a wagon. There's a bearded man walking around with a radio flyer. Let's win this woman. What if I saw this count earlier this afternoon? I'm pretty sure he was a count. I don't know what he's doing. Oh my God. He wheels her corpse to his like shack slash laboratory that he has by the

sea. Oh, I picture this like bumpy ass ride of her like falling out a couple times. Oh my God. Like we know that. falling out a couple times. Oh my god You know that ash has not seen and didn't know what weekend that Bernie's I am so I as soon as you said that I was like well Fox it's not her time. I don't even it's not it's not her Jenna almost started a war against me. Yeah, because you don't know what it was. That's what Trevor never heard it like the 80s or the 90s. I don't know.

All I know is that all I know is that my sister and I used to play weekend at Bernies, but I never got to be Bernie. So it was basically she was Bernie and I've dragged her out. And you're just dragging her out of her sister. Yeah, I was like, this isn't really that fun. If I have to just drag you.

This game sucks. Wait, do you know what I'm picturing though? And you both will get this because we were talking about Tom Petty earlier. Have you ever seen the last dance with Mary Jane music videos? Yes, all I'm fucking picturing. Oh shit, I wonder if he was inspired by this case. I think a very good idea. Yeah, I think the Tom Petty version, I think is is probably a lot more like pretty than what happened here.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. I can't wait to watch that video now. I'm going to watch that after this. Oh, shit, I love that video. Good video. So yeah, so he brings her back to a shack slash lab. And you know how before he had claimed that he like built planes, that he flew planes, all that fun stuff. Maybe some part of that was right

that he at least tinkered on planes because he did have a plane on his property that he was like working on. But this was an aircraft, he was calling it, and he was calling it Alena's aircraft. And what he was planning to do with this was treat it kind of like a spaceship type thing and he was gonna Take Elena's body up to space where the radio

Okay, I was like you until you said spaceship. She's done. Oh, maybe he does know how to do this I was like oh We're out of here. You like you know what? Maybe he's Oh, yeah, it's the hobbyist. And you know what? It really is. And this is such science here. Like this is a lot of science. Well, it was the 30s.

So figured he was going to bring her dead body up to space where the radiation from space was just going to make everything work again. Like bring her back to life. Yes, like re-admining. Now, radiation does it typically do good things for people. Sur bring her back to life. Yes, like reanimation.

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is radium the same thing as radiation basically? Yeah, it's like the same, yeah. This could have been, this could have been around the time when they thought that that was like the cure for everything. You've ever heard of like the radium girl? It's true, yeah, I have that battery. I do. Where they were literally like, I'm glowing.

This is so cool. And it's like, that's really they would do what they were literally like I'm glowing. This is so cool And it's like that's really good and then they're Jaws disintegrated and stuff. So maybe listen to be fair Maybe it was all the rage that you're right. We have to give it to Carl Maybe he was just up on that shit. He was trying to bet. Yeah, you never know I mean, I feel like there's other ways to get radiation that like you don't have to take it to space But like maybe that's romantic. I don't know. I'm also really shocked like this has nothing to do. Is that how you're saying?

But how did he not get typhoid? Well, she didn't have typhoid, so that's how you didn't get it. To briculosus. To briculosus. How did he not get that? Because to briculosus spread through like, early, like it's coughing on people. Oh, okay, okay. Like droplets in the air. So when she was dead, that's it.

But she had it for a while. No, but she was around over three months before. Yeah, but I guess her parents didn't get a minute of it. Yeah, so maybe they were like masked up. Like we all already. I'm sure they probably took like precautions. Right. But it is like super contagious.

That's why I was thinking they didn't get it. Yeah, I mean after she was dead, he was pretty shy. She wasn't gonna be spewing all't get it. Yeah, I mean, after she was dead, he was pretty shy, because she wasn't gonna be spewing all over her head. Well, did he think she was gonna come back to life and not have it anymore? I mean, yeah, this guy thought that he... I don't know the rules.

Yeah, this guy thought he was gonna take her to space in a spaceship he was like, Not very logical, man. Do you know the space rules? I don't, I don't. Carl does though. That's true, that's all that matters. You can't argue with Carl.

You really can. It's Carl's world, world. Carl logic is the logic. Yeah, you're right. But the problem with this, so he's like, yeah, we're gonna do this. We're gonna get in my homemade spaceship. We're going up there, radiation, boop, you're back.

It's gonna be great. But girlfriend had started to putrify. So it's not yes. What does that mean? We get hard. That's when you start to get putrid. Yeah, that's when you start to kind of, you know, you're losing your decomposing,

your insides putrifying mean that they're literally starting to just like turn into mush. I mean, you're just liquidate. Oh my god. It's not a good look. And it's probably not the look that she was sporting literally starting to just like turn into mush. I mean, you're just liquidate. Oh my god. It's not a good look. And it's probably not the look that she was sporting when she walked into the hospital.

So she was liquidating her assets. Yeah, she was fully liquidating. What? As we all will do at one point. But so he was like, all right, before I take her up to space, I gotta halt this because I can't have her look in like this. He's like, we're starting to sing up the place. So he's like, I'm gonna,

but at least he loved her. He did leave her. It's not like a guy that will leave a woman who gets too old or too fat. You're a funny, you're a funnier one. He was in it. This is true. I was just gonna say,

this is a love story. You know what? for the ages yeah honestly yeah he wants to grow up with it's beautiful it's just happening a little quicker than he anticipated so he's like I got to at least slow this down yeah so he keeps up with the formaldehyde he bathes her regularly in perfume and other like any fragrance like preservatives. Oh, that has to smell so bad. Yeah. It smells like, like think about like a smelly tack,

like a sweaty tacksy, and it's just gonna cover it up with a bad, oh, like that's the thing. Or like a gucky bathroom, and then you spray like fibries in there, and it just smells worse somehow. Yeah, it's the nasty smell with that like really heavy perfume.

Too full really. On top of it. Yeah, that's horrible. And I feel like he picked like old lady perfume that was like really gross. Yeah. And like, I'm getting a headache just thinking about it. Yeah, I'm saying that. Honestly.

But then as she, but then it gets worse because then as she started literally falling apart because she's literally put her flying. Right. He started using piano wire to wire her bones together. So he's literally keeping her skeleton together with piano wire because her tendons and muscles are falling apart and like... Nevermind. It's me at night, there before Christmas, when like Sally's arm just keeps falling off.

And she just keeps going. So in it back on. That's exactly it. And I did not. I feel like I'm picturing Carla's that little like doctor guy now in the wheelchair Would like this fucking Slipped to call or the monocle I mean oh Oh my god, that's amazing

That's it when this when this happens are your bones and stuff visible? I think she was probably because what was also happening was her skin was starting to like melt away, like literally like away. So I think her skeleton was becoming visible and it was starting to fall away from each other. So she was literally wiring her back together with PN a wire. Oh my god. And when her skin was falling apart and like rotting away, it was like, you know, because it slips off like skin slippage is the thing even though that's real gross. I hate when you say slippage.

There was one episode where you just kept fucking saying it and I wanted to vacate the premises. Slippage, I don't know why that grosses me out so much, but it's real gross. I think I may have listened to that episode. Does that have something to do with the woman being in the wall? Yup, yup, yup.

Or something about what? Yeah, I was like, ugh. And she becomes fucking soap. Oh, ugh. Oh yeah. Because it's like there's something called degloving where your skin will just like slip off no off your hands so it's like I'm busy that day so that's probably what was starting to

happen and so when this was happening he was like okay I'll just replace her skin with silk fabric that I dipped in oil oh. Oh. I mean, fancy. Wow. He's very met-galla. Very met-galla. No problem too big for Carl. No. Nope.

He was, he's a problem solver this guy. He really is. And he would also use plaster and wax. Basically, anything totally inorganic that really shouldn't replace human flesh She was like I'm gonna use that he was committed to the cause. He was he was like he's gonna give you up Never gonna Exactly he was Rick Roller like at the

He so eventually her insides are putrefying that's not a good look So he opens her up and he just stuffs her abdominal cavity with rags. Because he's like, I gotta keep her shape. You know, we can't. Wow, you can't have that one. Wow, you can have that one. Oh my god.

Like a real nasty scarecrow. And her hair fell out, obviously, because it's getting real rough up in here. And he gathered it all up and made her a fucking wig out of her own hair. And this is back on her head and sewed it back on her head. I love that that's the part where I'm like this is sick. Oh my god.

My hair. I have had enough. That's it Carl, I'm done. Get a proper weave. I'll take care of you. Buy some fucking tapins Carl. God damn it. God damn it.

It last but not least her eyeballs had withered to nothing. Why some fucking tapins, Carl? God damn it. God damn it, Carl. It last but not least, her eyeballs had withered to nothing, so he replaced them with glass ones. Oh shit. I feel like it. I bet she looks lovely. Oh my god. Oh my god.

Oh my god. Oh my god. She looked great. And so much like she did when she walked into the hospital. Because again, Elena was beautiful. Pictures of her year like, I get it. Like, I mean, I wouldn't go this far, but I get it. Like, she's real pretty.

But he turned her into like a doll version of herself, like a really scary doll version of herself. But I have a feeling he wasn't good at it either. Like the wig thing, the sewing, like that probably didn't look anything like her hair. No. Nope. And there's photos of her. I was gonna post them. I want to see because I was gonna say Google that shit because the wig made is just a pile of hair like not. That's what I was picturing. Me too. I'm like she would not do her hair like that

asshole. He also drew on her eyebrows and I was like, you need to practice. He didn't micrublate them. No, no, no, no, micrublating. No, my God. This is horrible. She made her, I'm so scared to Google it but I'm about to hold up. It's a lot. He made her look like a man.

Like a, like a, like a little Filipino man. Oh no. What exactly do you look? It's, she doesn't look the same. I dare to say. Oh my god, that's frightening as fuck. Oh no. And she was really beautiful before.

Okay wait, Carl does look like the guy from the nightmare before Christmas. He does, he has the little spectacle. He does and he's like a little bald guy. Yeah. He thinks this is the same thing? Yeah. I mean, look at that weave.

She was gorgeous. Credit credits, she did have a little bit of like a newsboy sort of finger-waved hair thing. It wasn't like long hair. So he did his best. He took a curling iron to it. Finger-waving is very difficult. I'll give it to him. Yeah.

We're giving Carl a lot of credit here, but That's what he did all this like he did all this he turned her into that Not so he could just like lay her in state and like mourn her like set up an alter to her or anything like that Which is bad enough? No, he did this so he could live with her as man and wife. Yes, was his wife now like when They share and were they planning to have kids or oh god that was out with her as man and wife. Like this was his wife now. Like when did they get angry though? They shared a bed. And were they planning to have kids or?

Oh God, that was out of the bed. You better believe he tried. Oh no. Oh yeah, no no. And they shared a bed. No. He talked to her, he brought her around the house, he sang to her, played music for her,

dressed her up, bought her new clothes, put makeup on her, bought her jewelry. Like neighbors said that he would come home with like giant boxes full of perfume and women's clothing all the time and they were all like, what's happening, Carl? Like what's going on? Wow. And you just be like, see you later and just go in his house. So how was he new enough to hide it and be like, so okay, so you knew this was fact.

So how is he affording this? He lost his job. Did he ever go back to work or? I'm not really sure, because it's like, maybe he's, I don't know. His side hustle was doll making. Well, yeah, or he's got to be talking that space business.

It's, yeah, okay. Yeah, someone's going on, someone's going on here. But neighbors said he also, because he played the organ, that was one of the things that he did, because of course he did, because he's a fake count. Creepy. So I thought you have to, you have to play the music. Yeah.

It's more on. A little bit on the nose, carol. A little more original carol. Yeah, yeah. But neighbor strict guitar. Yeah, we do do some, be a count playing the orchestra. Start a band. But neighbors said they could constantly hear him playing the organ like late into the night for her.

Like it was that it's a situation. So romantic as fuck. This went on for a blissful seven years. Seven years. He kept her like this. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. like this. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years.

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Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. He's bringing perfume into this house and women's clothing and people were like, this is weird. And people were also like, huh, it's weird that he stopped visiting that tomb, that he was visiting literally every single night for two years. Oh, shit. Like, why? Oh, shit. Did he just stop doing that? And then this kid in the neighborhood saw him through a window one night, dancing with

a life-size doll. And this kid was like, that was weird. Some's weird there, but people were just like, Carl being Carl, I guess. Like they were just like, whatever. That's Carl. Carl likes to get fucked up and dance. We know this about Carl. It's just weird.

You know what this is? This is like a weird, like, a way too far episode of My Strange Addiction. It truly is. I don't think I've seen that. That sounds good though. Yeah, so good. Like people have like full on relationships with their cars or like full on relationships

with like blow up dolls. Yeah, oh my god. I've seen the ones where they think that they're like, yeah, I don't really have a relationship with a car. Yeah, yeah. Or like a circus equipment or whatever they're here with.

Yeah, yeah. It was one really have a car. Yeah, more like a circus equipment or whatever the fairs are equipment. Yeah, yeah. It was one where Lady was addicted to tasting her, like, dead husband's ashes. And she was like, at the point where she was running out of them. Did we talk about that? Because she was really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, her finger and then licks her finger. Like, you could see it. It was fucked.

And like his family was very upset. Right police. Understandably. Understandably. Like his fucking family was mad. Fucking you family. That's bad. No, I'm like, his family was mad.

They were not very understanding. No. That's not funny. But like shit. But that would be Carl. Carl would do that. Yeah. Like, this is Carl. Carl would do that. Yeah. This is who he is as a person.

So now Elena's family is like, some strange. And they're like, he stopped going to the mausoleum. We never see him there anymore. Like, huh. So her sister, Florida, was the one who really started like peeling back the Carl onion. She was the one that was like, okay, I got to come in here and... Why didn't onion? Because it's easy, he's an onion.

And so she had heard all the rumors about Carl and she started to put it together like something weird is going on. So in October 1940, she came to Carl's house and was like, listen, you have the only key to the mausoleum so she knew that he had the only key. I don't know how she found out, but she knew. Okay. And she was like, I want you to take me there and I want you to show me my sister because she was like, some, some's weird here. And Carl, you'd think Carl would be like, oh, I don't know where it went. I think I lost it. Or what? I should just be like tomorrow and put her back. Oh, no. No, no. Carl was like Nah, you don't need to go there to see your sister. She's right upstairs. No shut the fuck up. He was like I got her

Yeah, he was like what what he literally was like easy breezy I can't believe you guys have a talk since she's been out Like you ask ages ago My god, he's a very mentally unwelper So my god is such a situation So he's like come on in and so she's like what so she goes in cuz like what are you supposed to do in that situation? You're like if I found a man that like fat if John did this to you, I'd be like I would be so angry I Think you would call the cops. Yeah, I would like to have it. So kill him I feel he brought her up to his bedroom

Where Elena was laying in bed in a wedding Tired in a wedding dress. This is like the Tom Petty video. She was in a wedding Really is and when she saw it She was like fuck no, that's a doll like there's no way that's my sister. She was like also my sister was dope who the fuck is this? Yeah, sorry But he's like your crate so she's like you're crazy. I'm calling the police We got to get to the bottom of this. But in that moment, she was like, no, that's not my sister.

Like, that's a doll. You're just fucked up. So the police get there. And she's like, nope, I'm not going to believe this is my sister unless you autopsy that doll. And it shows me that it's a person. So they did. And they confirmed it.

And she was like, oh my god. So was this like the 40s at this point or like the late 30s? This is 1940. So 40, okay. And when they further investigated, they found that he had replaced not only her insides and her eyes and skin, but he had replaced pieces of her

that took him from being a creep who dug up and tampered with a dead body to a necrophiliac. Because I know that's where you were going gross. Yeah because we could if it was just that you're like that's fucked up enough but in the back of your mind you're like seven years he's hanging on to this like what's going on yeah what he had done was he had and this is gonna get kind of graphic just so that everybody knows let me sit back and Relax for a minute. Yeah, I literally an assative shock. I really wish I had a glass of wine right now You could use one because this is yucky. He had put a tube into her vaginal cavity

I'm not laughing at that but I'm laughing that Ash literally just took off her head foes and his leafy like what what type of material of tube like a plastic tube don't ask for their questions Oh first of all that there's one I can't feel that good no further questions I rest my case yeah so I'm not stuck in the tube and oh god seven years I'm like you didn't have one mishap like no mishaps maybe Just a tube just a tube. I need a deep breath for a moment. Yeah That's fun. That's he it's like dude There are things that are made specifically for that they like kind of flashlight

Human being bodied. They might not have had them back then. That's why I was thinking, like, wasn't there a better product? That's what I'm doing. Well, he's crafty as shit. Just don't do it to her. Yeah.

Make an inanimate thing to fuck it. You're making a spaceship, motherfucker. Make a flesh like. Make a come on. Yeah, I was just going to say that. Like shit. Oh my god. I'm like, yeah.

Wow. That is one of the grossest things I've ever heard. I don't think I heard that gonna say that. Oh my God, I'm like, yeah. Wow. That is one of the grossest things I've ever heard. I don't think I heard that on the original. I don't know where I heard this case, but I don't think I heard that part. I didn't hear that. I didn't hear it either. I actually heard that part from Dr. Michael Baton,

who's like a famous forensic pathologist, who I love, and he was the one who mentioned that in a documentary I watched. Well, first of all, if you can get off just fucking a tube just fuck a tube That he's have to be exactly like a future fight person Because you know that he like he like to like see her. Oh my god. He was in love. He was making love It was all right. We got it. We got to get off this topic because it's getting way too visual up in my green him and I'm all set topic because it's getting way too visual up in my cream him and I'm all set. Oh, look, fuck that. Fuck that. So heavy. And what I feel bad is for the pathologists who did

the autopsy and were like, oh, look, you fucking replaced her in the insides with rags. Like, that's weird and fucked up. And then they go further and they're like, oh, there's a tube there. And then you're like, you're not for the rest of your life. Like, what's the weirdest autopsy you ever did? And he's like, dot-tops you ever did and he's like well Hold on a second and he's like well you hold my beer here I swear to God there does not need to be made up horror movies. They're real life is far more terrible I was 100% people are way more fucked up than what I imagined We need movies because we're like oh okay, whoo. Yeah, it's a leak out there

Yeah, well we're like, oh, okay, whoo. It's not so bleak out there. Yeah. Well, and there are also photos of the autopsy. Nope, that they did. Like where they were like peeling back the layers of like, you know, wax and paper to like reveal her like mandible and her teeth and stuff. They can see that it's actually her. Oh, she's still a teeth. Yeah, she's still a teeth. She's still a teeth.

She's lost a long time. They lost a long time. Yeah, they lost. They lost a lot of food. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah a long time. They last a long time. Yeah, they last. They also lost a good taste. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, stupid, cause like dental records. Yeah, you know. So obviously he's gonna be charged with shit, right?

Yeah. No. He got charged with something, but he was charged with wantonly and maliciously destroying a grave and removing a body without authorization. How about like, uh, what about the dead person rape? Right.

That's all he got charged with. What about the kidnapping essentially from the family of their daughter? What about the medical health practice? Yeah, what about the like unlawful plastic surgery you've given to someone without their consent? I have so many questions. Yeah. What about having bad style and

put your hair up like that right? And doing her eyebrows like that. Yeah. That's a fucking priming enough. No, he that's all he essentially grave robbing. That's really all. So do you how long did he serve? Did he even serve time? No, he didn't. And you know why? Just that you limitations had passed after seven years. So he didn't have to do anything. Yeah, he didn't have to do anything. So did they give him treatment? Like where they like, we need to give you a lobotomy? Well, he went through a small trial where he was evaluated

to see if he was insane. He was found sane. No. The worst psychologist in Wrong. Apparently. Wait, do I remember this correctly from when I read about this? Were there people that actually thought it was like a beautiful love story? Yes. Like, okay. Yeah. So everyone's messed up. Literally. People thought that he was eccentric, but they were like, this is just romantic. Like

this is just true love. They were never dating before. It would be creepy. It would be creepy if a man and wife, like the woman that ate her husband's ashes. Yeah, very creepy. Yeah. The fact that this wasn't even consensual, not romantic. Exactly.

He essentially, he saw her when she was coming and dying of a respiratory disease. Then he basically just forced himself upon her for three months in her family's home while she died slowly and miserably. And then he stole her and was neckrophiliaccing and the romance they do. You know how it is so romantic. And you're like, babe, would you do that for me? You know the regrosa there, they're like, babe, would you do that for me? You know the regros up there? They're like, babe, would you do that for me?

Totally. Those are the morons that made this romantic. Like, why? Don't you want me to be with you forever? Oh my God. I'm going to go downstairs and be like, Annie, wouldn't you do that for me? She'd be like, at the top of my house.

I'm so excited. Seriously? I want to find this. This is my Annie and John both deserve fucking medals. Because we ask them to like this all the time You need to do it. You need to do it with a straight face though like where they're like oh, they've actually lost it now This is fun. No, I have a place to remind I made cookie dough before this that needed to be refrigerated as I'm rolling up the cookies I'm just gonna be like so I have a question and then I'm gonna actually talk to me of it

I'm gonna be like answer correctly. That's the right way. Okay. And be dead serious. Just feel like, no, would you do that for me? Would you pack my end trails with rags to keep me around forever? Yeah. Would you still have sex with me when I was dead? Through a two. This is a make or break situation. I need to know. I don't want you to say with anyone else. Make it work with me. Oh my god.

In the name of love. Would you ever give me up? Would you ever turn around and embole me? Doesn't the original. They got polished for radio. Yeah, and scrub that clear. Yeah, we can't play that on Kiss One Away. Sorry. Yeah, we can't do that. We can't worry about that. But yeah, so he literally didn't have to serve any time for this.

The statute of limitations had run out, so he just got declared sane by literally the worst psychologist known to man apparently. And when he came out of this whole thing, they were like, yeah, you don't have to do anything. It's totally fine. Elena's body, because this was such a crazy case and people found it so romantic, they actually displayed her body at a funeral home where over 8,000 people came to look at her. That is so cruel. After everything she had been through, it's like, she just wanted to. All right, P.

Why couldn't her parents stop that? I guess it was, I don't, I gave it a pass away. I don't know what. Her immediate family actually did, most of them did pass away from tuberculosis. Because I was so nervous. So they did, it's now that I think about it. So it did actually, that was probably what ended up happening.

She did have some family left though, because so when she was lying in state for people to come gawk at, schools let out early to let kids go see. Y'all. Great, great parenting, great school teaching. This is some early Florida stuff right here. I was just so much to be like, where was this?

See, this is what set Florida up. It was a carl set them up. Florida had no chance. So when he comes out, he's like, cool. Can I get my wife's body back now? Like legit asked, can I have her back now? Cause like, I'm not going to- They said yes, didn't they.

Did they say yes? No they actually said no, which is good. Thank God. I'm super shocked that they did. Finally. That's pretty sad that that's a silver lining in this. Right, right. But they didn't give him back to her body.

Well, and he was pissed. Did they bury her like far, far away? They did. And he ended up setting a bomb off at her mausoleum site. No. I also didn't hear that. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't either, but he's mentally sane. It's like all just saying. And I don't think the bomb was ever like confirmed to be connected to him, but like, people who else put it on, yeah. Well, and she was buried again, but this time she was buried in an unmarked grave so that he could never find her again. So she just loses in all of this like that's fucked up. Yeah, she's so no one knows where she's buried

Can you imagine having a stalker after you died? Yeah, that's crazy. Marilyn Monroe did There's a man buried a butt so she's facing up. There's a man where he was buried above her facing down on top of her face. See, I knew that, but I didn't know he was her stalker. That's so... Fuck. He basically saved all, and you also, can you imagine, he died before his wife, and he said to his wife, basically, like, this is my life dream.

The wife's like, uh. I feel like, well, I'd be like, no. I feel like, no. Yeah, no. Yeah. I feel like, absolutely not. Be, do you love me enough? Yeah. Married me, no, yeah, absolutely not. Be, do love me enough. You married me based on top of Marilyn Monroe.

Yeah, no, but well, in poor Marilyn, she doesn't get a say in that. Is that sad to have some creep like leering on her for all when you're literally even in her death. She was like sexualized in a way she didn't want to be. Like that's so sad. Exactly, because she also has like kiss marks all over her stone and stuff and it's like it's like leave me alone. That's the whole reason that she's like

gone now. Yeah really. Yeah. We're gonna do an episode on that for sure. Well in 1952 which when you think about it wasn't like a crazy you know it's yeah you can actually picture that. Police showed up to an apartment where they found Carl dead at like 83 years old, I think. He was lying next to a life-sized doll wearing the Elena death mask. But it wasn't actual doll. It wasn't another dead person.

It was an actual doll. Was there a tube in the doll? Like an effigy that he had made. I don't know if there was a tube in the doll. You know he was fucking not doll. He was 100% fucking that doll. And it had the death mask on it. Oh my god. I mean, he really was obsessed with her.

And actually his last journal entry was, human jealousy has robbed me of the body of my Elena, yet divine happiness is flowing through me, for she has survived death forever and ever she is with me. Like bro. Wow. And as the credits roll on this movie just one more song, why is so obsessed with me? Like what?

Yeah, that dude died insane. Still obsessed in thinking that they were meant to be together, that they were together. I wonder what even kind of mental unwellness that even is categorized as. I was trying to figure that out. I'm like, I don't even know what I am. Living in an alternate universe? Like what? But it's so like, it's so persistent. Like because I actually thought you

were gonna say like maybe he was just into then like, oh, then the next girl he dated, maybe she died and then he did like, I thought maybe that's where it was gonna go. So we could be like, oh, he's got this weird thing with dead body pattern of, but it's just this dead body. It's to be this woman. This woman was like, he was obsessed and he never became unobsessed. God and no one's ever even proposed to me once. Not even a big room. I love that. No, you're a dammit. Nothing. I'm not chocolate. I'm kind of annoying. But you are certainly not a putrifying dead body. You need to get off of this podcast and ask your boyfriend if he loves you enough to do this.

We're all in the pack that we've all made. I'm going to. He's called a few times since we've been on this 100%. Oh, man. No, it's so much. And you know, it's funny because he's been obsessed with this one girl forever. And I was thinking about it and I was like, wow, that's like a long time to be obsessed with someone to that degree. And it's like, I was really obsessed with Leonardo DiCaprio when I was younger, but like, I'm not as obsessed with him now.

And it's not even that long. So I'm like, even sick of Annie. Like, I love her, but I'm like, can you go away for a minute? Oh my God, yes. My boyfriend's finally not here for a few days. I'm like, freedom! I'm like, there's so many chips I'm eating off my stomach and back. I'm so happy about it. That's so cool. Let down your hair. That is a bit.

Yeah. So that is the story of a Carl Lund colossal The Fake Count. Wow. That is, you did such a good job. That is insane. Yeah, I knew lightly about it, but you got so many details.

I had no horrifying details. I had no idea about As she does. That's what she fucking does. Oh My god, you research like no other. I try amazing By the way, um, Elena when you were just to say something about like the Run-up or kiss radio station or what do you guys did? It reminded me of what I meant to tell you You think Delilah's only in your town, I was listening to some,

oh my God, she's not. She's nationwide, I used to think she was only in my town. She was like, I was like, Delilah's this like local hero. Oh, I would like, here when I would travel, I'd be like, what? I feel like we.

She's, other people know about her. So many people tweeted at me and they were like, no girl, like Delilah's mind too And I was like oh fuck I thought we had a connection. Oh, it was you that thought it was a Lane of her some reason Oh, yeah, I thought it for so long. Yeah, I love that radio show my mom used to be a success with that I like grew up on Delilah Honestly Carl should have been on Delilah He's one that was sent a love like this one goes out to Elena Maybe he fucking did fucking do that. Oh

My god, he was the original. Oh my god. That's so funny. Oh fucking Carl. Wow. This was so fun It was really really fun. Oh, it was great and Rachel. We were so psyched to have you on I know I'm so excited I'm so thrilled to have been on Seriously when you slid into the DMs, I was like, what? I texted Ash and was like, yo, Rachel no Brian. And I walked up to it and I was like, wait, what? Like, am I still dreaming? Like, hold on.

I was like, no. I was so psyched. That's so funny because I messaged you guys and then you didn't message back for like a day. And I was like, they think I'm weird. They think I'm weird No, this goes out to everybody who we've never DMed back. We are so bad at DMs like so bad Because I'm one of those people where I'll read it and then I like we mentally respond I respond in my brain or I'll say it to someone to be like oh this person messages isn't that cool?

And then I just never go back to it. Well, they need to have a function like emails and like with like those messages in Texas is a weird mark. Like a weird mark is on red. Like that's what's going on. Or like sometimes Gmail will be like, do you want to respond to this message from nine days ago?

And I'm like, oh, yeah, I do. Oh, I love that. That's important. Yeah, thank you, Gmail. I need that on all my social interaction things on everything. Yeah, I need that that's important. Yeah, thank you. Gmail. I need that on all my like social interaction things on everything Yeah, I need that in real life like I'm just a person to follow me around be like to you want to respond to that? So I'm like no But Rachel plug everything you can

Yeah, well, I don't have I don't have tour dates to plug anymore because I will have them rescheduled at some point. But other than that, just my podcast be here for a while. And then my new podcast, Seven Deadly Sinners is coming out in the next couple weeks. And it is. I'll send you guys to see you can hear it beforehand. The trailer after it were double this. I'll text it to you.

I'm super excited. It's like some dirty ass church scandals. Love. People that wanted to take your money, sleep with your daughters. And I don't know. And send songs. And do a little math and, you know, not apologize for it. So I love it.

It's going to be phenomenal. It's right up our alley. Yeah, right. And I think it's right up our listeners alley too. It is. I love that. I'm super excited about it well thank you so much for having me thank you so much for being here oh yeah we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but that's a weird that you beat this girl which

rolls into the hospital she has tuberculosis her typhoid I'm not really sure I don't remember she had diarrhea or she didn't have diarrhea maybe she had a cough you fall in love with her you're like yo girl you're so dope and then you go to her grave and you're tuberculosis or typhoid. I'm not really sure I don't remember. She had diarrhea or she didn't have diarrhea. Maybe she had a cough. You fall in love with her. You're like, yo, girl, you're so dope. And then you go to her grave and you're like, I'm the only one that has a key. I'm going to take you home and I'm going to bomb you. And then I'm going to put your tape ins back in.

It's going to be great. And I love you so much. And I'm going to put a tube in you that's fucked up. Don't keep it that weird. Bye. I have to close my eyes now because I have to pretend like no one's watching.

That's hilarious. And then I just like to dance too. I mean I love when we do that. Alright, bye! Bye guys! Hey, Prime Members! You can listen to Morvid, Early, and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen Addfree with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey.