Morbid - Episode 155: The Galveston 11 Part 2

Episode Date: July 12, 2020

The conclusion of our look into the Galveston 11 (part of the Texas Killing Fields) begs the question, did Edward Bell rape and murder these girls? Are there more out there? Bell seemed to be at the wrong places at the wrong times about 98% of his miserable life if he isn't the killer here, but Ash takes us further into his other known crimes and the last 5 murders that many attribute to his name. The Galveston 11 A&E Documentary Thanks to our sponsor! HelloFresh Go to HelloFresh.com/80morbid and use code 80morbid to get a total of $80 off, including free shipping on your first box. Additional restrictions apply, please visit HelloFresh.com for more details. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Alena. And this is morbid. It sure is. For some reason I always pause way too long. I'd like kind of caught that one, but I like you already noticed. I looked outside, like, you have to say your name. I'm like, fuck, you think how many years have we been doing this? And I can't ever do that. We are 100, more than 155 episodes in.

Yeah. Actually, this is the hundred and fifty-fifth episode. Yeah, but like, add and listen our tails, spooky roads. Oh yeah. I guess. I'll just go fuck myself. Oh, so this is part two of the Ashcentric extravaganza that is the Galveston 11. It is. We're wrapping up with part two today. It's going to be intense, but I just wanted to mention really quick that a couple people

were like, Haley and I, you sounded really horse in that other episode. And I know I did, so I apologize. It's just where I'm not sick or anything. And I think somebody was like, are you possibly having another baby? Which I was like, I was like, if this bitch is pregnant and she didn't tell me or my family, like what? I'm not.

But I think what is happening is one, I don't do well in the heat. No. And Massachusetts is having the most health or sweltering summer of our lives. I'm so over it. The humidity is so heavy. It's like soup and we are in the pod lab, which is not very ventilated and it's so hot in here. And we can't have air conditioning or else you would hear air conditioning. So we're in this like, addicky area that is just a thousand degrees and I think it was just drying out my throat. So yeah, I apologize. Hopefully I don't sound like that too much. But I can't ask my to. Yeah, it's just a whole, it's a whole host of things. Because I can picture people been like, why isn't affecting Elena and not Ash?

Well, just, I don't do well in heat. So I think it's just my body reacts like, you don't belong here. I just hate the summer guys. That's all it is. Reaching me. But yeah, thanks for, but I appreciated people like caring that I was horse. They were like, are you okay? I don't know.

What's going on? So thank you. I appreciate that. And the other thing we just wanted to touch upon before we, then we're just gonna jump right into the episode. Cause we're ready. We mentioned in part one, it came up very organically just like randomly in the middle and we've been wanting to like mention this we just keep forgetting to that John Mark Buyers

a key player in the West Memphis 3 case died. Isn't that bananas? Yeah and it's crazy and he died like pretty recently somewhere around like the 22nd of June. Yeah, it was mid-June. He was only 63. So, yes, that's crazy, but he also lived a wild life. But he died in a car crash. Oh, he died in a car crash. Oh, I didn't realize that.

Isn't that nuts? Oh, that's sad. So John Mark Buyers was the stepfather of Christopher Buyers. Right. He was one of the eight-year-olds that was brutally murdered in that case. He was him and his wife, or Melissa, were very vocal throughout the trial. They were super against Damien Jason and Jesse. And then later, John Mark Buyers flipped the script, and he was like, he didn't do it. Whoa, these boys did not do this. And he was like, they didn't do it. Whoa, these boys did not do this.

And he was like Terry Hobbs though. And he was all on the Terry Hobbs train. And, you know, I mean, but he was definitely on there. And he even, I mean, there's pictures of like Pam Hobbs in him, like with Damian Eccles in the middle. Like a, that's so insane. That's so insane.

A show me photo. Like him and Damien like exchanged letters and apologies to each other. That's awesome. Because then like Damien came back angrily and was like maybe he did it, you know what I mean? Like they just angry at each other. But they like totally buried the hatchet.

He became like a total like they didn't do it with the rest of us. It was a crazy story. It was kind of cool to watch because very rarely do people turn around to be like, you know what I actually don't think so. Especially like grown-ass people. Usually you're set in ways.

One of their children too. And for him to turn around and say I was wrong. So what happened was he was in a single car crash. What? Yeah. On Chambers Road near Memphis, Tennessee. And he died of his injuries. Oh, that's awful.

So that's crazy. I don't mean to go. We live 63 years, and then you go in a brand-of-mass car crash. Yeah. That's awful. And again, when I heard he died, I thought, because I know he had mentioned he had

like a brain tumor at one point. Yeah, yeah. And like, he had all kinds, he lived, like you said, a wildlife. He lived a life. And so I assumed it was something related to it. Yeah, I literally just found out like right now that it was a car crash.

Cause I crashed. The other day we were talking about it and I don't think you had realized that yet. And you were like, he was only 63 and I was like, well yeah, but, but I know hold 60. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, we just wanted to touch upon that. That's a crazy thing in the true crime world.

It is such a big figure in that case. And nothing again, no update yet on Naya Rivera that we've seen. No, nothing yet. I keep refreshing daily mail and anything like that. She's still presumed drowned, which is really, really sad. And I think a lot of people are like, well, let's just hope for a miracle. So still hoping, but I don't know.

We'll update you as soon as we know. And just in case anybody missed it in part one, definitely listen to part one before you listen to this. Yeah. Let remind everybody of what case you're gonna do next week. We're doing the Vanessa Gian case. Yes. So I'm gonna do that one.

So trust me, we're getting on it. We've already started researching it. We feel like we have enough information now where we can at least put out an episode to a point. And we can always put out an update if need be. Exactly. So let's do this. Let's get into it.

Let me like refresh your memory, I'll do it. So in part one, we went over Ed Bell's confession letters, the three sets of best friends who went missing and turned up dead brutally murdered. Yeah, we went over the fact that Larry Dickens was murdered super gruesomely. Hate that story. Hate that story so much. And when we left you off, Ed Bell was like, well, I'm going to Panama. No big deal. BRB except not.

Real mad at that. So let's dive back in. I'm diving in. So we're diving in with Lisa Olsen. Now again, I said this in part one. Yep. I think her name is Lisa. Other people call her Lisa, I'm a color lease,

because I saw both. We're just going to call her Lisa. And if you know how to say her name, hit me up, let me know. Do it. Let us know. So Lisa Olson. I love to learn. Lisa Olson is the woman we talked about in the beginning of part one.

She uncovered these confession letters and she went out to speak to Ed Bell on multiple occasions. And if you, she's a bad bitch. And if you want to see like some of their interviews and stuff, I highly, highly, highly recommend. It's an A&E docuseries and it's called the Galveston 11. I love it. I can never say that town name.

Galveston has a weird name. Because I want to say Gavelston. Oh, yeah. But it's Galveston. It feels weird. Yeah. Galveston. Anyways, watch that documentary.

It's really good. It's like seven parts. So she teamed up with a Galveston police detective who was retired, Fred Page, to get more information on the case. Together, they interviewed tons of the victims' family members. They interviewed like people who knew Ed Bell back in the day.

And like I said, Ed himself. So I told the you guys this in part one, Ed claims that he never killed anybody, and it was all the government, setting him up to make it look like he was a killer. The program. The program. The program, I'm gonna do it.

He blames the fact that he's a convicted rapist on the fact that he has an overactive hormone system. What, like, when you're pregnant? I guess so, I mean, I guess he's pregnant. I mean, I wanted to murder many people when I was pregnant, but I did not do it. Never carried it out. Didn't do it.

He straight up is like I guess I just have like an overactive hormone system. Yeah I don't think that's it. It's like maybe go to a doctor and get that checked out instead of like taking it out on other people. Well diagnosis. He also says that he never harms those girls. At least in the documentary he's like isn't rape in and of itself pretty harmful and he's like well yeah but you know what I mean? No, I don't.

She literally is like, no, I don't. But okay. So like I said in part one, the fact that Ed says he never killed anyone is interesting because if he didn't kill those girls, there's a lot of strong coincidences that tie him to this fucking case. And one of the biggest I would say is that all of those killings in Texas,

and specifically in Galveston, stopped when he went to Panama. Huh. Crazy. Wonder how that happened. It's so weird. So we're gonna go back to the killings and talk about the rest of these.

Now these are all single people. Like in the beginning, we talked about how pairs of best friends were being killed. This is now single people. That's strange. Single girls. It is. I wonder if it became difficult or if he had some mishaps with the pairs that he was like, you know what? I should cut it in half. One person. I would try to subdue two people at once. I wonder if like some shit went awry. Probably. I wonder. I would think so. Because it's a weird transition. Well, because they always say you're safer in numbers.

Yeah. And you think you'd go from one to two instead of two to one. Yeah, I think that he's just an idiot and it sucks. I think some shit went wrong. And think you might be right. Yeah. So Brenda Jones, we're going to talk about her first. She was 14 years old.

It was July of 1971 and she went missing. Brenda loved music. It's funny. A lot of these girls love music. I feel like the 70s was such a time for good music, though, so it's like, how could you not? Oh, it definitely was. She also loved teaching Sunday school

and she loved dancing to Soul Train with her sister Phyllis. That is the most wholesome thing I've ever heard. The most wholesome thing and Phyllis fucking loved her. Like her and Brenda were BFFs. Phyllis and Brenda. So Brenda just seems like the purest soul ever because what she was doing the day she went missing is she wanted to go visit her aunt who was sick

and she was at the Jenny Sealey hospital in Galveston. Okay. So she asked her mom, she's like, can I go visit Auntie? Like in the hospital and her mom's like a little hesitant because she had to take a bus to get there, but she's like, okay, like just be home before dark. So she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Brenda does make it to Jenny Sealey to visit her aunt. She has her visit and then she's coming home. And she gets on the bus, she like gets on the bus home and the bus driver remembers saying to her, like, get home, it's getting dark, like, head right back home.

And she turned around and she said, oh yeah, I'm going to, I'm just gonna stop and grab my sister a Coke. No. And like, Phyllis. The purest reason to stop. The purest reason to stop. And I feel like with all these cases,

like we said, there's always a last person, there's always some kind of survivor skill. Phyllis still wonders what would have happened if Brenda just came straight home. I mean, I would. Of course. That's... And it's not by any means anyone's fault

except the person who did it. But it's just completely normal feeling. Stinged, she will be, I would think the same thing. But that's just obviously who Brenda was. Like, she loved to do things for people. I mean, she's stopping at my sister. She loves her sister. She's a teacher, like a Sunday school teacher.

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Which is crazy. They found her body super fast. It was floating in the water near the Pelican Island bridge. So again, we have another girl around the same age as these other girls that went missing in Galveston and it's in the bodies in a body of water. Which is the worst way to find a body. Worst way to find a body and it also sucks because a lot of your evidence is gone. Oh yeah, that's why I can be washed away. I can be washed away. And a lot of it, because it's an easy way

to eliminate all the evidence. Exactly. So she had been strangled. She was naked from the waist down, and this is kind of like a trigger alert, I guess. Her underwear had been stuffed into her mouth. Oh. Yeah.

Which, she seems to be the only one that that happened to. So that was very aggressive. That's a John Wayne gasey move. Yeah, it is. She was also tied and bound with laces from her own sandals. Oh, my God. She and Phyllis in the documentary talks about how she loved those sandals. They were like gladiator-style sandals.

Oh, yeah. And I think she saved up her money to get them. Or it was a gift from her mom. And her mom didn't like them because they were like kind of saucy for the time. They're kind of spassy. But she was like, these aren't like the best. Oh, that's even worse. And she ends up getting tied and bound with them.

Her feet and her wrists. Wow. Um, so that's how she's found, absolutely terrible. Now, Fred Page was working with a Galveston police woman named Michelle Salenberger, and they were able to recover a ton of evidence from this crime scene, including those laces from Brenda Shoes. Wow. So in the documentary, you see her laces, and it's like super haunting.

You also see the slip that was in her mouth, like the underwear. It's like undergarment, I wouldn't necessarily say underwear. So the knots were still tied in the laces of her shoes. They were still tied like they had been cut off her body. So you can see where they were tied. And they were able to get male DNA off the laces. So not all of it had washed away. Wow. and they were able to get male DNA off the laces.

So not all of it had washed away. Wow. What fucking sucks though, is that there wasn't enough DNA found to make a profile, which if they were able to make a profile, they could have fucking compared it, and I'm sure it would have compared perfectly to Ed Bells. Ed is already in jail for Larry Dickens murder, so they have his shit already.

Oh yeah. And had they been able to get enough off of these sandals, they totally wouldn't be able to. And it's it's probably just because back then the techniques were not as it's like right. And I'm sure it's like the techniques. It's the water. It had like every door and yeah, it's no good.

So even though we don't have DNA to connect Edbell in Brenda's murder, the Jenny Seely hospital in and of itself is a super strong connection. Okay. So in part one I mentioned that like any time Ed was arrested for indecent exposure, rape, all the horrifying shit that he was arrested for, he never like served time. Instead he went and got psychiatric treatment. Oh yeah.

This treatment was always done at the Genny Seely Hospital, which is fucking bananas. So that's not only crazy in and of itself. Ed Bell was known, even by the hospital, to go back to the hospital and pick up girls around that area. What? So he very well could have seen Brenda leaving. Absolutely.

Maybe like, I mean, he must have like followed her bus, but still, it's not crazy to think that that's where he saw her. No, absolutely not. It's like, that for me, I was like, okay, hello, right there. It's a huge coincidence, if it's just a coincidence. A lot of these coincidences are huge. So Fred and Paige are trying to figure,

or excuse me, Fred and Paige. Fred and Paige. Fred and Paige and Lease are trying to find out like anybody that maybe was picked up by him in that area. And they stumble across this woman named Susan. Now, Susan at the time was Susan Witten, but now she's Susan Witten, armstrong. I think she got married.

Okay. And she also changed her name a bunch because I think she had some awful shit happen in her life, which we're gonna talk about. Oh good. So, Susan was spending time as a patient at Jenny Sealy for a depression treatment. She was pretty young at the time

and she had just gone through a divorce and she was just having like a really shitty time. Yeah. So while she was at the hospital, she made friends and remember this is the 70s, so I guess you could like leave and come back to the hospital I guess. Okay.

They decided they were gonna have a party. So she was like, cool, I'm gonna go grab some beer. I'll be back, which I was like, interesting. Go for a beer run real quick. You feel good. So she goes to go on the beer run and she runs into who Ed Bell? I was gonna say good old Ed.

Good old Eddie. And she's like, oh, hey, can you point me in the direction of like Yadiada? And he was like, of course I can. And not only will I point you in the direction, I'll like bring you right there. I know where Yadi Yada is. I know it's true.

I'm so good. I think it was that she was asking where like the holiday and was because it was right near there. And so he begins to show her where to go. He's like walking along with her. And then all the fucking sudden, he pulls out a gun, holds it to like her chest, and is like, you're not going anywhere,

like shut the fuck up or I'll shoot you right now. Holy shit. So he walks her at gunpoint to his truck. We all remember his stupid fucking truck. He ties her hands and feet, he gags her. So I feel like this is the first time we're seeing the gagging, which then I feel like a little bit correlates to Brenda's slip being shoved in her mouth. Yeah. He gags her, he shoves her in the truck, and he brings her out to this like completely deserted desolate construction site. I'm horrified. And as he's raping her because he does rape her, he tells her that this is what he does, he does this one to two times a week. He picks up girls, he does, he does this one to two times a week. He picks up girls, young girls,

and one to two times a week enrapes them. What the fuck? It's like, and I'm like, what? I don't even have anything to sit like, what? I feel like, I feel like somebody else did that. Who? I feel like it was like Paul Bernardo or something, like used to tell people, like this is what I do.

This is what I do. I think you might be right. I think it's gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like this is what I do. I think you might be right. I think it happened. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like somebody else has done that. Well, and it's like a scare tactic because it's like, this is what I do.

Like I'm a fucking professional. So don't fight back. Exactly. And it's like, and once I'm done with you, there's going to be more after you. Right. So it's putting that in your head. By the way, like I'm done with you, this isn't over. That's just terrifying. So crazily enough, he returns her back to the

fucking hospital when all is said and done. And obviously she's like freaking the fuck out and she tells her friend what happened. And then it gets back to the staff and then gets to the police. Yeah. So Edbell was arrested for the rape, but never faced charges because he said that Susan was his girlfriend. And like back then, you can't rape your girlfriend, right? Back then, you couldn't. It was not. Even now, a lot of times it's like, well,

well you're his girlfriend's or you're his wife. And it's like, what? So that was that. So like, to connect to the Jenny Sealey Hospital, connection to like the gagging and then like the stuffed undergarment and Brenda's mouth weird. Pretty clear to me. Pretty clear.

It is interesting to some people, they're like, does Brenda Jones fit because she was his only black victim if she was a victim of his, but it's like she was a very young girl at the time. Like I don't think he cared. I mean, and it's like, it's one of those things where it's like, it's one of those things where it's like,

yeah, all the literature says that serial killers tend to stay within their race, and they also don't usually deviate, like they don't go. Yeah, it's not usual. But that's not like set in stone. It's not like, there's not like a rule book that they all have to open up like the right... Right. ...the right manual and be like, whoops, I wanted to, but I can't. It's not.

Can't do that. God, I'm staying this. No, it's stupid. So it's quite possible. Is it strange pathology wise? Sure. But I also think that Ed didn't really have a type because if you look at these girls, they range pretty far in age from each other.

I mean, they're all under fucking 16 or excuse me under 18, but they had, there's a pretty far age span and like Burnett and yeah, they don't they don't all look exactly like each other. So I think he just liked young girls. Right. I think if you were a young girl, you were Ed's type, which you were you who fit the victim profile. Right. Which is awful. Yeah. So we're going to go to another girl that went missing in 1971, and this is Collette Wilson. Okay, so Collette was 13 years old. Her family described her as a social butterfly,

a boba, a boba butterfly. People loved her. They said that she could talk to anybody. Like she could literally just walk in a room and be like, oh, hey, what's up? Like, and be friends with the person at the end of the conversation. Man, what is she?

Made friends super easy. So that summer, Collette really wanted to go to this band camp because she was super good at playing clarinet and she loved playing clarinet. I always wanted to play clarinet when I was younger. Did you really? I did. Oh, but I did not.

Oh, well, that's sad. I'm sorry. Sad tale in the middle of this really sad tale. So you're like, wait, make people really bummed out. Yeah. Well, the issue with this particular camp was that it was like super far. And her mom would have had to drive her there and then drive all the way back and then go back to get her and then drive all the way back.

Yeah. And Collette was one of 12 children. So her mom was busy. She had some stuff to do. She had a few things to do throughout the day. A few things on her plate. But luckily everything did seem to work out because the band director offered to pick up Colette not super far from her house. So her mom would drive her to like this little highway junction like on the corner. And it was already on the band director's route. So he was like, he or she was like, I'll just grab you along the way. Oh okay that was nice. So they

would meet there in the morning and then he would drive her back, he or she would drive her back and Colette's mom would be there to pick her up. Yeah so one particular day Colette's mom drives out to the meeting point and she's not there neither is the band director and there's just a black car parked there. Huh. And this is at the end of the day? This is at the end of the day when she's supposed to pick her up because she already dropped her off that morning. Nobody's there, like literally nobody's there except that black car. And she's like, okay, like what the fuck is going on? So

Collette's body is claimed to have been the first that was located in the Texas killing fields. Oh, so the killing fields name gives me chills every time I hear it because it's just like the killing fields. It feels like this designated terrifying area. Her body was found just nine days after Maria and Debbie had been discovered. Wow. So that was in November. So she went missing, she went missing on June 17th and wasn't found until November. Ooh. When she was a long time,

when she was discovered, she was nude and it had, it appeared that she had been killed by a gunshot wound to the head. So most of these girls either were killed with gunshots or were strangled. Yeah. Or it was like hard to determine because they were so decomposed by the time they got to them.

Also, Collette's clarinet was never found. Oh. And I don't know why, that just like bums me out so fucking hard. Oh. I just, that's just such like a yucky. It's really shitty. It's just a... And so, Collette's remains were found in like I said, in November, near the addict's reservoir.

So again, a body water, which is weird. Another strange thing in Collette's case is that her remains were found among another girl's bones. And this girl was Gloria Gonzales. Now, not a lot is known about Gloria Gonzalez's case because her family just like really doesn't like to talk about it anymore. And she was 19 years old when she went missing. She worked as a bookkeeper. And she was reported missing in October of 1971 by her roommate. And then this is when she was found. Did I

say the last time she was found was seen was outside of her apartment? No. Oh, okay. And then this is when she was found. Huh. Um, did I say the last time she was found was seen was outside of her apartment? Uh, no. Oh, so that was last time she was seen. Okay. So glorious cause of death appeared to be blunt force trauma to the head. Which is different, different, very different, but also weird that she was found among colette's remains because it's like, did this person go back and say, like, did Ed Bell go back and just put somebody else there? Is that just like an easy dumping ground? So they're like, or is it just an easy dumping ground for any people?

For any of the killers have found it. That's the thing. So Gloria is considered one of the 11, but it is strange. Yeah. So like a lot of these victims, Colette had to be identified by dental records. Oh. Colette's dentist was her father. Like a lot of these victims, Collette had to be identified by dental records.

Collette's dentist was her father. So he had to go down and hold his daughter's jaw in his hand and confirm... What the fuck? That was her mouth. Holy shit. Like that? Holding your child's mandible in your hand to compare it to your own dental records that you have captured of her. Or like you might as well just be gut punched over and over and over.

Yeah. So just run me over with a semi truck. The sad thing is that when she first went missing, he specifically held on to so much hope. There's one interview in particular where it's her mom and dad sitting there talking and he's like, you know, like all we can do is hope. Like maybe she'll come back one day. Like this could all be over. If she just comes back, it'll be okay. Like, and he specifically like out of all the family members

held on a lot of hope. And he died at the age of 43. And a lot of people say he died of a broken heart. Probably. I can't imagine how you ever go on after that. Oh yeah, I literally cannot bat them that. I thought that was one of the most horrifying things in this whole case. Wow. That's truly, truly horrifying. Like gut wrenching. So now we have been in 1971 for a while.

We're going to fast forward to 1973 So 1973 is the year that Kim Pitchford disappeared Bell named Kim in one of his confession letters and he even made note of the black fur jacket that she'd been wearing on the night that she disappeared I mean what more do you want? Yeah, what fucking more do you want? How is he getting all these details? I don't know. And how is he like, he can't just be remembering these details from reading them. No, because he could easily even like,

oh yeah, and then I killed Maria and Debbie and one of their black jackets was there. Yeah. Like you wouldn't remember who it belonged to, I feel like. If you, if you only remember who it belonged to because you were there, right? You saw it on her. Exactly.

That's what, yeah. I think he also described her as like the red-haired girl and she had red hair. Oh shit. So Kim was 16 years old and she was super, super excited to get her driver's license obviously because what 16-year-old isn't, of course. And she was taking driver's ed classes at Frank Dobby High School, which was in Houston. Okay. So usually she would go use a pay phone to let her mom know that she was out of class and her mom would come pick her up. Unfortunately that night, her mom thinks that she was on the phone when Kim called and back then there was no call waiting and like, there was no like beep in her and anything like that.

So she just didn't get the call. Oh no. And so another one. Another one. Yeah. These people that have to live with that. And it's like, you didn't do anything wrong. It so another one. Another one. And another one. And it's like you didn't do anything wrong. It's just awful.

I know. I was a little old. I know we've said it like 45 times at this point, but it truly is one of the worst. It's like, how do you, if anything were to happen to you and I was the last person to see you or like you would called me and I missed it, even if I didn't know, like, who's could ever know? So according to witnesses, Kim got a ride with somebody in a red Volkswagen.

And two days later, Kim's body was found again, partially nude in a ditch alongside a rice canal in Alvin, Texas. Wow. So again, and quick, and really quick, yeah. Yeah. It was literally two days. I think her driver's head was on Wednesday

and she was found on Friday. Wow. So crazy. She had been strangled. So again and she was found on Friday. Wow. So crazy. She had been strangled. So again, we have another strangulation. Yeah. According to Lease, one of, this is fucking crazy. One of Kim's friends confided in Lease

that in the days and weeks leading up to Kim's murder, they were being followed by a flasher that had been following them from their neighborhood along I-45. That was Ed. That was Ed. Ed does that shit. I-45 is the killing field. Yep. Let's talk about some more connections between Ed and Kimberly's murder. Let's do it. So number one, Ed grew up right around the area where Kimberly was found. And this is like a, this is not just like, oh, he grew up around the corner from there was found. And this is not just like, oh, he grew up around the corner from there.

Like, that's crazy. This is like middle of fucking nowhere. You wouldn't know that area. Yep, it would be hard to get in and out of there if you didn't know where you were. Yeah. Number two, Ed worked out of Volkswagen dealership and was known to constantly change cars.

Because remember, he had a white fan that edited up for him. Then he's working out of Volkswagen. Why wouldn't he get a fucking Volkswagen? Of course not. Number three, Ed constantly used the I-45, a.k.a. part of like I just said, the Texas Killing Fields, because he was a traveling salesman at the time. I mean, a case closed guys.

And do you remember? And part one Jimmy Summerfield said, Ed was always coming and going. Yep. Because he was a case closed guys. Do you remember? Part one Jimmy Summerfield said Ed was always coming and going. Yep. Because he was a traveling salesman. There you go. Hi. Hello.

So, last victim to have gone missing and probably a victim of Ed Bells was 12-year-old, Suzanne Susie Bowers. 12-year-old. 12-year-old. So, this was in May of 1977 that she went missing. She was walking home from her grandparents house to grab her bathing suit and head back over. Awful. Come on. So Suzie's mom died when she was like when Suzie was super young and Suzie was being raised by her dad and her

grandparents basically were also helping raise her. And they lived like a couple blocks away from where she was. So this was not like a super long walk that she had to make. It was like not, it was like, oh yeah, like go ahead and I'll be back in like 10 minutes. Yeah. Which is, it just makes me so sad. So when she didn't return back to her grandparents house,

her family obviously was becoming super worried because they were like, Susie would have never ran away. Like all these parents were like, a lot of them, I'm sure were asked, you know, would she have maybe run away? And all of these families were like, no, these girls were not runaways. They're just, they're not unhappy at home. They're not unhappy. Like, she's going to get her fucking bathing suit. Of course she didn't run away. She's excited to go go swimming or whatever. Of course. And then when she didn't turn up at night, they knew that something awful had happened. Oh.

Susie's remains took two years to find. Wow. Two years. There's poor parents. Yeah, her dad and her grandparents, it's like, Oh. Yeah, she was found in Altaloma, behind a cattle pin in a deserted area,

right near a body of water. Of course. And there appeared to have been gunshot wounds to her head. But again, it was two years later, so it was a little hard to tell. Connection to Ed Bell. Ed Bell lived two miles from where Susie's remains were found. Come on. In his, okay.

Now we're gonna get into Ed Bell's stupid fucking trailer, which was designed to look like a red caboose. Are you fucking kidding me? Oh, red, fuck it like a caboose train. Dude, the lame. Like, why? That's just dumb. I'm sorry, I'm sorry if you live in a caboose.

I'm sure none of you do, but like, and it's, I think it's because it's Ed Bell that I'm so mad about it. Oh, man. Put that out of shirt. I'm sorry if you live in a caboose. I'm sorry if you live in a caboose. That's the perfect, like, that's the slogan for all podcasters right now.

It's like, I'm sorry if you live in a caboose. Like, I have to apologize. Honestly, you can cover your ass. Like, even like the most like niche acts. If you live in a caboose, I'm sorry I offended you. That's not when I met toward you. It's just because I'm talking about a murderer. So it was widely known that Ed Bell lived in this fucking caboose

with his third wife who was much younger, weird. And they lived in the fucking caboose. Did they live in a caboose? Yes. Are you sure? I'm so, I'm just fucking hyped about this damn caboose. It was located, like, obviously you could move the trailer because it was a trailer. It was a caboose. It was a caboose obviously you could move the trailer because it was a trailer.

It was a caboose. It was a caboose. I don't know if I mentioned that. It didn't. It was found in a lot of precarious spots, this fucking caboose. This is so weird. At one point, it was located just a few miles from where Sharon and Renee's bodies were found. You don't say. It was located where Brooks and Georgia were abducted, like not super far from there. And also, where Ed exposed himself to a girl named Vicki Wrangle and her friend Susan. He's disgusting.

So let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. A thing of being disgusting. Just another thing. He apparently knocked on Vicki's door when she and her friend were home alone. He told, now this story, I'm like, what the fuck?

So he told them that somebody had just caught a huge fish. You gotta come see it. That's the best you've got to like get your shit done. Like, I know you're, you're a fucking professional at this, but like, wow. Big fish gotta see it. That's a bold move. Like, what?

But of course, like, and remember, these are young girls. So like, maybe in the 70s, if somebody knocked on my door and I was 14, I'd be like, I gotta see this fucking fish. That's, that's interesting. So they're like, well, I gotta see this fucking fish, and I don't blame them. Oh, these poor girls. I'd be excited to see a huge fish. Yeah, that's the other, well, so they, you know, he points them in the direction of where this fucking huge fish was supposed to be. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, yeah, I do want to see a fucking huge fish. Well, and I'm sure he made it seem like this fish was fucking huge. Well, it is a big ol' fish.

I'm just thinking about it, I'm like, I want to see that. Yeah, I've seen huge fish, and it's exhilarating. I understand that. Now I'm thinking about it. I mean, man, you've ever seen like a sunfish? That should change your life. So I get it. Oh, you ever watched like Discovery Channel

and you see them out on the boats? It took me a minute, but I get it. You get it. I'm in the state of my life. I'm glad you do. I get it right now too. Yeah. So he points them in the direction of the fish,

you know, the big one. And they turn around. They're like, where's the fuck? Oh. And he's in the direction of the fish, you know, the big one. And they turn around, they're like, where's the fuck? Oh, and he's in the bushes behind them, nude from the waist down, exposing himself and masturbating. Disgusting piece of shit. Disgusting piece of shit. Luckily, they were able to run away.

Good. And Vicki's mom was working, like, basically right next door to their house. So they ran right in there and were like,, Mom, like oh, these poor girls. And they're young girls. It's like, what the fuck? So that makes me so angry. It makes me angry too. Ed Bell was identified and arrested,

but never felt he was gonna say charges because he's like a cat or some shit with nine lives. Damn. And guess what? This happened. This, I don't want to call it like an incident, but this assault happened just a few weeks before Georgia and Brooks went missing and just a few miles away.

To me, it's a perfect escalation. He was working in the area. Yeah. And I don't mean like working like his job, but like I mean he was fucking prowling in the same. He was doing his disgusting shit in that area. Yeah. And I don't mean like working like his job, but like I've been he was fucking proling and the same thing. He was doing his disgusting shit in that area. Exactly. Yeah. So now we know what we know about Ed when he was living in Texas. And we know that as soon as he left Texas, I said in the beginning, after he murdered murdered after he moited after he murdered Larry Dickens, he went to fucking Panama and all these killings stopped.

But what happened when he was in Panama? What happened? Well, also how did he get back here? I, who knows? I do. So Larry Boucher was a retired investigator who helped officials get to Ed in Panama. Wow.

Insane. So because Ed was on the list of most wanted and he was considered to be extremely dangerous, obviously, if you listened to what he did to Larry. So they did an episode about him on unsolved mysteries. Now, somebody mentioned this in the comment, but I really hope that not everybody saw it, because fun, fun fact. You're like, I'm really excited to tell you guys. I was like, Elaine, somebody said in the comments, I wanted to say it. This was like, damn it. I'm not mad at you. But fun, fun fact. You're like, I'm really excited to tell you guys. I was like, Elena, somebody said in the comments, it's true.

I wanted to say it. That was like, damn it. I'm not mad at you. But fun, fun fact. Matthew McConaughey's first TV role was in this episode of Unsolved Mysteries. And while he played Larry Dickens. That's so wild.

And I had no idea. I think the person who commented it on our Instagram was like, and that's when I realized that I loved Matthew McConaughey. Like, he was my first boy crush. I get it. I commented it on our Instagram was like, and that's when I realized that I loved Matthew McConaughey. Like, he was my first boy crush. I get it, I get it girl. It's so back to the sadness. So part of the episode is the last known sighting

of Ed before he escaped to Panama. Now that wasn't murdering Larry. He must not have gone to Panama right away, I guess, because this attack happened in September of 1984 in Texas. Wow. So this woman was in September of 1984 in Texas. Wow. So this woman was in her home and all her kids were there and she's just like getting ready for the day.

She was in the bathroom doing her makeup. And Nastya's Ed Bell breaks into her fucking house and threatens her with a knife. With her kids all there? With her kids all there. Now she did suffer stab wounds. He was like able to somewhat attack her, but she was able to overcome this, overtake him, and she chased him out of her fucking house

with a gun. Fuck yeah. Bad bitch alert. I think she actually shot at him while he was driving away. Wow. But he was able to get away, and that's apparently when he was like, I gotta go to Panama.

So he was in Panama for 14 years, and while he was there, he used the name Cecil Boyd. Boyd. Boyd. Boyd. People who knew him or like got to know him during that time, also called him Wally, which I don't really see the connection, but.

Cecil Wally, okay. Cecil Wally, you know. All right. I don't really know where that happened, but we're gonna go with it. So when Ed was in Panama, interestingly enough, there were two disappearances, similar to the ones that happened while he was in Texas. Huh, so weird. Now like, there's not a lot known about them because like obviously, different place.

But one girl was a nursing student and the other was a nurse. They were both like much younger girls. And Ed lived right around the area where one of them went missing And he belonged to a yacht club where the other one was last seen Ha again He seems to be in a lot of these places. Yeah, he seems to be in a lot of the wrong places at the wrong time He has real bad luck that guy. So while he was living in Panama He took up looking for gold like I'm not even kidding you. Like he just became like a gold miner.

I guess that's what that's called a gold miner. Yeah, and I think when you use that little thing, it's like a sluicer. A sluicer? A sluicer? It's like that little thing that it like, I thought you were kidding. No, it like filters out all the stuff

and the gold sits on top. I think it's called a sluicer. All right, while he was sluicer. What kind of facts that roll around in my brain. I thought it was like, I don't even know what I thought it was. Well, while he was slewson, he also met his much younger girlfriend, Bernadena Ramirez. Number four.

Number four. So she was 16 when she met Belle. Oh. And they met because her dad was in the gold business, and Ed was kind of like learning the ropes from him. Learning to slewson. Learning to be slewson. Learning to slew. Learning to be slew soon.

Steady slew soon. So. I'm not sure that's the right word, but you keep going. OK. So Bernadina already had a child, and she said that she was responsible for all her shit, and she, like self-proclaimed, she was a lot more mature than just 16. But still, she was 16 and Ed's yuckyucky and I don't condone it because I hate her. She also, she had no idea about Ed's past. So you can imagine this poor girl surprise

when on February 14th, which is supposed to be a really romantic day, probably for her in 1993, officers broke into the boat that they were living on in a rested Ed Bell. Damn, she was probably like, what the fuck? Like they had been dating a long time. She never fucking knew what happened to him. Like he was just gone. She never found out what happened until Fred and Fred Page and Lease went back to Panama to find her to see what she knew. What? They went out there and they were like, you know, like we're getting together

all this information, like told her everything. And she, I believe that she had no idea because she has, like, she starts to cry and she's like, I didn't know that he did that. Like, I mean, we've seen it. Yeah, it's like seen it before. BCK went home to his fucking family every night. Yeah, and his poor wife was just like,

please no one talk to me ever again. Exactly. Exactly. Well, um his poor wife was just like, please no one talk to me ever again. Exactly. Exactly. Well, Perdina was like, I hope that he regrets what he did before God, and I hope that like, like she was like, I don't condone any of that. She was like, fuck this guy. So when Ed was extra-dited back to the US,

he was sentenced to 70 years for first degree murder, because of the murder of Larry Dickens. Yeah, good. And then he wrote these confession letters from his jail cell that we were talking about. But like I said, he went back and forth about like 45 million different times about the reasons why he wrote them.

He said nothing was true when he just made it up based on what he read in newspapers. And then Lisa at one point was like, well, like what about that poem that you wrote? Like the 11 that went to heaven. And he goes, that was just a poem. And it's like, it was just a what? That was just a poem.

A poem, he says. A poem. That was just my poem. And it's like, okay, very specific poem. He probably thought somebody would just be like, okay. I think I honestly think that. All right. And all the interviews that you got, you guys got to go watch the 11, that went to, or the

Galveston 11, the A&E documentary. So fucking good. You're going to want to punch your fucking TV screen because he's just so, like he like smirks and you know when like somebody's lying and they like, and they know that you're piss, they're pissing you off and they smirk at you. Oh yeah. That's what he does to lease this whole time and I'm like, I fucking hate you. It's so frustrating.

Gotta watch it. I know, do it. So, personally, we're at the end here. Personally, I think that there's way too many fucking connections to just be pure happenstance. I think Ed Bell did this shit. Oh, I definitely Ed Bell did this shit. Oh, I definitely think he did. And right at the end of his life,

he was named a suspect and they reopened Maria and Debbie's case. He was named a suspect in their case in 2017. But then he died in prison not too long after the case got reopened. And he was 82 when he died. What a dick. I'm like, God dammit. Come on. So, I'm just like, I'm so frustrated that he's dead now

because I think a lot of people would have so many questions answered. Oh yeah. And I think that if he were convicted in the Maria and Debbie case, it would lead to more convictions and a lot of these cases that I talked about. I think so. It always sucks when these fuckers die.

It does. Like the aerial Castro. That was like so frustrating. I've been madat. I think that he's dead. Because you know, that fucker was just smirking all the way to the end. It's so annoying.

He's like, I'm like, fuck. And just to finish this off with one of his dumb ask votes, he said, I never killed anybody. The police killed Larry, blamed me. About the 11, I won't say anything until I'm a free man. Oh. So that in and of itself says to me, you fucking did it, but you're not gonna say anything

until you're free because you think that you're like, not gonna be able to put back in jail or be put back in jail. Well, that's it's like, so somehow you think that they're just gonna be like, oh, you'll tell us when we let you out. Here you go, sir. Exactly. Open the door and be like,

go on your way. It reminds me of Sarah Turnie and her dad. That's literally, and how he's like, I'll let you know on my deathbed when nothing can fucking happen to me. That's literally what I was just thinking. And we all know that he's guilty as shit. And as soon as you hear that, you're like, okay, well you did it.

You might as well just say like, yeah, I did it. It's like the OJ Simpson if I did it. Right. It's a roundabout way of saying you did it. It's so frustrating to me. Very frustrating. So that is the case of the Galveston 11. Maria and Debbie's case is still open.

Wow. So I mean, I don't really know how because it's like, I think you guys have the answer. I think we should get on the case. I think we should call Fred and I think we should call these. It becomes citizen detectives and do this. Let's do it. I think we should do it.

I'm ready. Because this case really frustrated. Yeah, it's really frustrating. And you've got to watch the documentaries. I'm definitely going to. You got it. Everybody watch it. Let's all watch it together. Let's all watch it together.

Let's all watch it together. And then there's so, and actually a lot of the articles that you can find on this are written by Lisa herself. Hey. She works for the Chronicle. Good for her. Yeah, and she's a, she's a very, you know, Watalena, writing kind of reminds me of the way

that you write. Ooh. So I loved reading it. Ooh, that just made me feel like, like genuinely. I love that. It was really good. Oh, reading it. Oh, that just made me feel all kinds of stuff. Genuinely. I love that. It was really good. Oh, love it.

That was very horrifying. Yeah. Very traumatizing. Yes. But never go see a big fucking fish. No. No, but like, I get it. I get it, but don't ever say if somebody knocks on your door.

Yeah. It's like you want to see it. Be like, well, I don't live near a body of water. So nah, no. And even if you do live near a body of water, just say, nah, just be like, you know what? I'm going to go on Disney plus. I'll look at National Geographic and I'll see a big ass fish. There it is.

We don't need that. Also, we're not sponsored by them. But no, we're not. But like I just got Disney plus and it's pretty rad. The only reason I got it was to see Hamilton. I mean, hello. Hello. And also if you haven't watched Hamilton see Hamilton, I mean, hello. Hello. And also, if you haven't watched Hamilton,

go get Disney Plus. Okay, well, that shit is so good. I love that last episode. I was like, I'm not really a musical girl and now this episode, you're like, go watch Hamilton. Watch Hamilton is not a musical, it is an experience. It's a moment. I'm open.

No, I'm totally open to seeing Hamilton. Lin Manu, all Miranda Miranda is to me right now, the only good thing we have in the world, the only like holy, we don't have a lot left. Just completely pure and good and wonderful thing we have. And I just want him to be protected at all costs. And I also never want to find out anything bad about him because I just feel like he's just a good person.

I think you might be right. You know who else is good people? He wrote Hamilton after reading the book on vacation. Did he really? He literally was on vacation, read a biography about Hamilton and was like, hmm, I'm gonna do this groundbreaking completely. Like when you watch, you're like,

how the fuck did you come up with this? So do you like the musical? Guys, watch Hamilton. I was trying to segue there and be like do you like the musical guys watch Hamilton? I was trying to segue there and be like you know who else is good people are patriots and you were like But Lynn I need to keep talking about women while we're in well, we will after this But first let's take some patriots. Let's do it. But number one. We're gonna think I think your name is Janelle Janelle but it's spelled G-I-N-E-L-L-E I like it and so did that motorcycle outside Wow, so you guys I don't know if I've mentioned this and we're gonna think, I think your name is Janelle. Janelle. But it's spelled G-I-N-E-L-L-E.

I like it. And so did that motorcycle outside. Wow, so it's good. You guys, I don't know if I've mentioned this on several other episodes, but my neighbor got a motorcycle. And there it is. You're like nine years ago. It's happened many times.

Next up is Daniel Carter. Daniel Carter, thank you so much. We then have Darleen Keller Sheets. Darleen Keller Sheets, thank you. Sounds like killer sheets. Killer sheets. I would hate if my sheets were killer. I'm gonna make that movie. Casey Lee, thank you. Casey Lee, you're the best. Thank you so much. Jamie Richardson, thank you. Jamie Richardson, thank you so much. Destiny Ruffinburg, thank you. Destiny Ruffinburg, you're awesome. Thank you so much.

This is a really cute name and like, wow, I love your hair color. Marie Mini. Marie Mini, that's cute. You're gonna love her hair color. I like that. Let me just zoom in really quick. I like the iteration.

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now. Like what a friendly smile. I love you do. Very welcoming. I just want to be your friend to me too. From that. Are we friends now? We are. And then we have Ashley Warwick. Ashley Warwick. Hello. We love you. Thank you so much. April Verkowski. April Verkowski. That's a cool lesson, Amy. Or Rutkowski. I love a ski. Right, kind of a name. Yeah. Are you Polish? Thank you so much. I love you. Julie Wooderson. Julie Wooderson. What are you doing? Chuck and Wood. Thanks so much. Kiara Gable. Kiara Gable. Like the house of seven Gables in Salem, Massachusetts, or Anne of Green Gables,

like the cartoon and book. Yeah, two very different spectrums of the imagination, but yes. We then have a Madonna. Destiny. Destiny. That's so hot right now. Let's finish it off with a Madonna named Destiny. Yes, Destiny, you closed it out. Thank you so much to our Patreon.

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Weird. But that's a weird that you do a bunch of really bad shit and then you just appear to pan them on and you have to make friends with somebody while you're in pan them on, like bad things happen while you're in pan them on too and then you get caught while you're in pan them on because you're not that fucking smart.

And you go back to Canada and then you ride all these Canada, you don't go to Canada, you go to, where are we from America? And you get caught and then don't die in prison if you're up under all these fucking, gah, you have to face it. Face the money. Face the music.

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