Morbid - Episode 156: The Irish Vanishing Triangle Part 1

Episode Date: July 16, 2020

Hi Ireland! You have some spooky stuff happening over there and we are ready to dive in. Today we take a look at the Irish Vanishing Triangle, where at least 6 (but definitely more) young women have vanished seemingly into thin air within an 80 mile radius near Dublin. Is there a serial killer at work picking off young, attractive women without leaving even a stray hair behind? In Part 1 we will talk about the disappearances of Annie McCarrick, Jojo Dollard and Fiona Pender. We touch upon theories and set up Part 2 for even more weird vibes. Former lead Investigator Alan Bailey's book Missing, Presumed It's a great resource for all of the information you could ever want on this case as well as theories and insider knowledge from someone who worked the case for years. Great read! Thanks to our sponsors! Stamps.com Right now, our listeners get a special offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage AND a digital scale without any long-term commitment. Just go to Stamps.com, click on the Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in MORBID. Stay safe, friends. Thrive Market Try Thrive Market and become a member risk-free! Go to ThriveMarket.com/MORBID. Join today and you’ll get up to twenty dollars in shopping credit toward your first order. Check out our new Parcast show Crime Countdown with new episodes every Monday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It is a strange case. It's real weird. From what I read, it sounds like, I don't know if they jumped off to go swimming or something, but it sounds like she was trying to, she like brought her son back up over onto the boat, and then I think maybe she just like lost her energy doing that and maybe drowned.

Yeah, it's just a, it's strange. It's strange, and it's sad. It's a strange situation. And I hope her family, I hope we can figure out what happened so her family can, friends can know what has happened here. Her dad was out there swimming and looking for her. The picture of her father swimming in the lake. Because I'm also like, you poor man, what if you find her?

I know. You know, like it's just, oh. it's like you want to find her but it's like don't you want to be the one yeah it's just oh it's it's really upsetting and I hate it from every angle it really is so this is not that we're not doing the Vanessa Gi in case today or that one's coming out on Saturday so yeah be on look out for that This one is kind of a crazy one. I don't know what that I didn't know about and when I did a deep dive I was like, oh no, I gotta keep going on this. What is it? So this one comes to us From Ireland. Oh, we're Irish. We are Irish and we have a lot of Irish listeners. So hey, oh, what do they say? What do you say? How do you say hi and Irish? Hi

So hi, hi, you couldn't that's how you say it That's how you say it you guys appreciate that so this story is The vanishing triangle of Ireland. Oh, so it's like a Bermuda trying like a Bermuda triangle But I but Bermuda triangle. Like a Bermuda triangle, but I, but Bermuda. But Bermuda. Exactly. But greener. Greener. So this is a series of disappearances that are considered to be murders, but they have not found any bodies or any evidence of who.

Yeah. And they took place between 1993, 1998, within an 80 mile radius just outside of Dublin. That's interesting. So it's in a small area, technically like the radius. It's, there's, so what they're doing is they're focusing on six women that have disappeared. There are a few more in this case, but they really focused on the six to try to connect to those first. They're stronger ties. But the other ones are connected.

So we are, we'll talk about those in part two more. OK. We're going to talk about the first three disappearances in this one. And we're going to discuss a little bit of the theories outside of like, you know, what could be happening here. And in the second part, we're going to talk about some more theories, the suspects,

because this one main suspect I really want to get into. OK. So get ready for all of that. This is like the Irish killing fields. It is. It's crazy. more theories, the suspects, because this one main suspect I really want to get into. Okay. So get ready for all of that. This is like the Irish killing field. It is. It's crazy, right? I thought about that. I was like, wow, it's like the sixth.

So, I mean, we're giving you a lot of really big cases. I guess so. That's fine and joy. So yeah, so they're, they're thinking one of the theories is that there could be a serial killer at work here. I mean, sounds like it. Because all of these girls, these women, were literally vanished without a trace.

Without a trace. Do they all have like, like, they're all young, they're all like young, attractive. They were all, and mainly the two things that really are the few things that really like set them into being connected to with each other is that they were all young women Usually in their like early to mid-20s. Oh fuck. And they were young attractive women living in Ireland around this area Okay, and that they vanished without a trace. That is always so bonkers to me. And none of them had any like, like the families, it wasn't a situation where they were like, could they have just like picked up and left their life?

Like that just wasn't a situation. Not even considered. Yeah, and we'll see that. So the first one we're going to talk about is the disappearance of Annie McCarrick. Okay, this was on March 26th, 1993. And I just realized that you were not born yet, and that is... I always love that you realized that. Loving my mind.

Yeah, whenever it... Wow. Actually, I think my mom graduated high school that year. 92, I think it was. Yeah. So I didn't come along much later. That's a whole lot. Or I did come along.

Yeah. Not that much later, so I'm trying to say. Am I good? You got it. Hello. You know what, it's tax day today. It's a lot. Oh, yeah.

So it's stressful. So makes me nauseous. She was 26 years old when she disappeared. She was born in March of 1967 to her parents Nancy and John. She is an American from Long Island. She's not Irish. We love Long Island. We love Long Island. We have family out there She was 5'8 about 140 pounds very pretty all the way like that

She's one of those women that like I saw the picture of her and I was like, oh Like you know, I mean like she's just like striking. She's striking like she and she's just like a very unique pretty that you're just like Oh, I want to I want to look like I was like, oh, you're so pretty. It's just like, oh, no, I was like poor Annie. So like I said, she was an American from Long Island. She was in Ireland, literally just because she loved Irish culture and she loved Ireland. She was obviously with the last name, a carrot. She was very into her Irish heritage. Macarach. She was Irish Heritage. You don't say. She was very into her Irish heritage.

Like her parents were like, she became obsessed with it for a young age. I feel like we always are. Yeah, you want to know everything about it. A lot of people want to feel more connected to it. And she just really wanted to. So she had moved there initially in 1987. And was there, like I said, to explore her family's origins

and roots, and she was wanting to just envelop herself in the history of Ireland. Because, I mean, the United States, like, sure, we have a lot of history, like, cool. Is it fun though? But like, when you look at Europe with like, castles and stuff, like, their history is so old. Way cooler.

It's just so much. It's so foreign to us because like, we don't, you know, we don history is so old. Way cooler. It's just so much, it's so foreign to us because like we don't, you know, we don't have that old things. We just have a lot of old churches. Yeah, exactly. That tourists love to take pictures. But even that.

That's just a building. They're not that old. No. In comparison. Yeah, when you compare it to Europe, it's like, whoa. So going over to Ireland, you're just getting a whole other side of this. It's like going to like a museum.

Ireland is a museum. I've never, I can't wait someday when all the world is better to be able to go to Europe because I just want to see all that history. It must be so cool to like, for real. To be enveloped in that. I want to do a show in Europe. Oh, we will someday. Oh my God, so good.

So Annie was bright, she was fun, she was sweet. Obviously she was very like independent, she was like, I want to go over to Ireland. Really? Yeah, she was like, she was sweet. Obviously, she was very independent. She was like, I wanna go over to her. Really? Yeah, she was like, let's do this. She was called a ray of sunshine by her friends. She made friends very easily. Which I mean, you need to, if you're gonna go over to a foreign country

and just buy yourself. Seriously. And she did. She was able to make friends. She was staying with two female roommates named Jill and Ida, who she met over there and they became like lasting friends. Oh, I love that. So she immediately would click with people.

I love friendship. Yeah. And they lived in a flat together in Sandy Mount Dublin, Ireland, and she was also taking classes to become a teacher. She wanted to become a teacher over in Ireland. Okay. She was taking classes at St. Patrick's Training College in Drum Condra Dublin and she later took classes at St. Patrick's College in Maynuth. So like,

what wasn't she doing? She was doing everything. She sounds like such a badass. For real. She at one point had a very serious relationship with a man in Ireland, with a man named Philip Brady, that ended amicably with not a bad relationship. It was like, not as such number one. Nope, not at all. So totally fine. And everything was fine. They ended and they were like, okay, sorry, like that didn't work.

So that happened then when she transferred to college and Maynuth because she originally started at the training college. When she transferred to the college and Maynuth, she began another serious relationship with a guy named Dermott Ryan. Suspects number one? No. Okay. Damn it.

One does he come in? I just want to put these in here just so you know she did date men over there like she had people in her life. She had an active social life and love life. And he also, so you'll see it all connect. In the early 90s though, she returned back to the States for a bit. And that was to get her master's degree.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. So she came back, got her master's degree, but then she was like, I really want to teach in Ireland. Oh, that's sick. And I need to get my certification over in Ireland to do that, because she just loved it. She was like, I can't stay there And I need to get my certification over in Ireland to do that. Because she just loved it. She was like, I can't stay in there.

I want to live there in states. I need to go back. I mean, I feel like once you go live somewhere other than the United States, you might be like, why did I come back? I think it's just like everywhere. Like when you go to this foreign place, you know what I mean? Like you're just like, wow. It's special.

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You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Darn, ee-e-e-e- Darryl. WELL! So in 1993, she went back to Ireland. That's where she was like, I'm settling. Like this is where I live. So in March of that year, she had only been back for like three months at that point, because she went back in January of 1993. Yep. And by March, she was missing.

So, and she and Dermott, between all of this, they tried to make it work when she went to the United States. That's very long distance. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure he went to visit her in the United States on point, so they really did try to make it work. Yeah. They ended up breaking up because she was just really focused

on her studies. She had a lot of stuff going on. She had a lot of stuff going on. She had a lot of stuff going on. She had a lot of stuff going on. She had a lot of on her studies. She had a lot of stuff working. There was a lot going on. Again, not a bad break up. Yeah, just they broke up. She started working. She worked at a restaurant at one point.

I believe she worked at a hotel at one point and then she was working at a cafe when she went missing. Okay. So on March 26, 1993, she left her apartment. She was planning to take the day to spend in the Wiclow mountains she wanted to take at least take a walk at the foothills I guess which is like a very popular place a beautiful place to walk. So like populated. Yeah and she just was like you know what I just want to like take the day to do that. So her friend was supposed to come with her but then could in at the last second. Oh, no.

Her roommates, Jill and Ida, were both leaving to go home for the weekend. So they were gone. She had the flat to herself. So she left the flat in the morning. She had a couple of errands she needed to run. This was in 1993. So unfortunately, if it was now,

we would have a lot of surveillance footage of her doing her air and TV and everything but we know there is one there was one CCTV footage of her and it was when she went to a bank she went to the allied Irish bank in Sandy Mount she was doing some business there I think she was trying to transfer her account closer to her new flat okay because when she first moved back to Ireland, she was staying. She was actually staying with her ex-boyfriends brother in his fiancee for a while. Oh, to him.

So that's how close they all stayed. Yeah. Like she stayed very close to the family. Which, that's so telling. It's telling of the kind of person she is. And so she was trying to transfer her bank closer to where her new flat was. Okay.

Yeah. So it was like a whole thing. She was hanging out there. She was caught on CCTV. So we have the timestamp. She was caught. Okay. Yeah. So it was like a whole thing. She was hanging out there. She was caught on CCTV. So we have the timestamp. She was caught. She was caught. Then she was seen by witnesses at the Quinn's Worth Supermarket

around 11 a.m. Where she was picking up items. Some say she was, this is like two reports. She was either picking up items because she sometimes volunteered to make desserts for the cafe that she worked at. Oh my God. So she was cruel, does it all. So she told them she would make desserts to bring in the next morning to help them out.

That, and she was also getting items because she had planned a dinner to host a couple of friends that weekend for like a dinner at the flat. So maybe she was getting both. So I think she was doing both. That seems to be what was the thing. We know that no matter what she was getting stuff for dinner for this dinner party that she planned to host. Got it.

She was gonna be hosting her friends Hilary and Rita the next day. Now Hilary was her ex-boyfriend Philip's brother. That's the one that she lived with when she first went there. Hilary was her ex-boyfriend's brother. That's the one that she lived with when she first went there. Hillary was her ex-boyfriend's brother. Yes. Okay. Her ex-boy Phillip. Yeah. Remember good old Phillip? Yes. His brother is Hillary. Okay. So this is her ex-boyfriend's brother. Got it, got it, got it. And Rita is the fiance. Oh, okay, okay. So that's who she initially- So the people she's staying with- She's's gonna have dinner with now. Yeah, the people that she stayed with when she first moved to Ireland.

Okay, I get it now. So she wanted to have them over her new flat to return the favourites. Yeah, they're returned the favourites. I love you guys. Yeah, and you know, and it again, it just shows their bros, like, right, right, right, right, right. Her mother was also planning to visit in a few days, Like it was a big planned because I guess when she, when they first, when she first wanted to go back to Ireland,

her parents were like, but we're gonna miss you. Yeah, they were upset about it a little bit. Like they understood, but they were like, hmm, like you're just going to be far, right? And so they immediately planned to visit, like set one. They were like, we're gonna miss you. Let's see you the next day.

Yeah, we need to see you. I know I would love to live like super far away, but I just can't. I'd miss my, yeah, I'd miss my family. I couldn't do it. I'm like a very, I'm a home body. Yeah, I'm just used to being near my family. So it would be a big change. So she did make a couple of phone calls after this at, they call them like phone kiosks, like phone booths. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in 1993, they were like very using, because they used the time. Not great. Yeah. And so she did make a couple of phone calls. I believe she called Hillary and Rita to confirm the time, which I think was like eight o'clock

the next night that they were going to be doing it. And she also called someone else. I think it was another friend. So she made those phone calls, that's logged. She gets back to her apartment with her groceries. Yep. According to a Reddit post that I read, and then I also followed this up with a book, which I'm going to mention, the name of the book in a second. She left her bag of groceries on the counter.

And this is strange only because she came in. She put her bag of groceries on the counter and it had a lot of things that needed to be refrigerated in it. It had meat, it had cream, it had butter, which I know outside of the US, butter is usually not refrigerated often because we're silly.

I don't refrigerate my butter. I don't always refrigerate my butter, but we are more like crazy with that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think outside the US people like why do you refrigerate those things? Like you know what, like crazy. Even crazy.

Cream I guess is also something that technically, I think they can get away with it longer than we can, like leaving it at room temperature. Huh, it's probably a lot fresher than what we have or something like that. It's definitely different. So that's not crazy, but meat and also she's American. So I think she's used to putting things in there.

Like that. And her refrigerator. Well meat is like everybody puts that in there. And meat is like you got to put meat in the refrigerator. The bag stayed on the counter and was found when she went missing still on the counter. So to you does that say that perhaps somebody was in the house and startled her? No. Okay. Because... Damn it.

We have her... We have sightings of her after this. But what it says to me was that she put down that bag and then she was going to go for her walk because she didn't end up going for her walk yet. So she wanted to go for her little walk in the mountains. Was that supposed to be quick? And that's the thing. So I think what she was thinking. So she wanted to go for her little walk in the mountains. Was that supposed to be quick? And that's the thing.

So I think what she was thinking was I'm gonna go for a quick little walk, like a little, you know, just clear my head, you know, maybe that's just something she did. Yeah. And then she was planning on coming back quickly and putting it back. It's still very strange that she just didn't,

like unpack it. Yeah. But maybe she forgot that there was meat in there. I guess I've done that. Well, what's weird is, so around 3 p.m.? A plumber named Bernard Sheen saw her leave the apartment and talked to her briefly And again the bag is still impact in the counter so it's a little weird She went to the bus station and was seen on the 44 bus from

Rantala, I just looked it up because I wanted to make sure I said it right. Rana law. That's really funny. I love when the pronunciation people are like, Rana law. Rana law. This was a, but so the 44 bus from Rana law to Anna scary. At 340 pm, she was seen. Okay.

You know this on that bus. Apparently, who she was seen by is important because it's a former coworker and it's somebody who knows her personally. So this isn't like a witness who was like, oh, I think I saw that girl on this bus. They were like, no, this person was like, definitely saw her. No, I know her. We have a relationship.

I've seen her. I talked to her. We know each other. So they were like, yes, I saw her. We didn't get to speak because it was busy and she was going on like the second level of the bus or something and they just didn't get to talk but she's like this person was like I know I know her right so this is the last time anyone who knew her saw her okay

okay there was another possible sighting of her after this at a small coffee shop, I believe it was called poppies. And the person who thinks they saw her said that they saw her with a man. And they said this man bought her a food item, they left together, they seemed to know each other. She was not dating anyone at the time, so no one knows who this man was. Maybe she had just met somebody.

Maybe, because then there is another sighting. And this one is, this one's like debated. So it's between 9 PM to 11 PM that she was seen in this area. It isn't confirmed to be her in this place, but it sounds like it's generally believed that this is her. Okay. But no one who actually knew her saw her here, it's just witnesses seeing the newspaper

and being like, oh, that was her. Oh, that was her. Okay, so what is it? It's a little easy to believe this because also she was 5'8 and a pretty American. So she would be... You're gonna stand out in a foreign place, you know? Right, right, right.

She's definitely going to. So this sighting is at Johnny's Fox Pub in Glen Cullen and it's apparently a big tourist place there. A lot of like tourist go there so it would make sense. She had been there before. A bouncer said they thought they saw her. He came forward like after they put the picture on. He was like, oh yeah, I saw her. Because he's like, I remember a tall, pretty American. And he said, I saw an American woman matching her description. She came in and didn't realize there was a cover charge to go in for this like, so the music show.

You kind of remember her even more because of that. Exactly. So she was like, oh shit, it was like two pounds to get into the music show that was going on. It was like a traditional Irish music show. That's cool. Which is again something she would like to. Right. Because she loved that stuff. So she was like, uh-oh. And he was like, yeah, you got to pay the two pounds. But he said, a man in his, in his like 20s behind her, like late 20s was like, I got it and paid for her and him. So they were there together. It seemed. No, because she seemed like, oh,

like she seemed kind of like, oh, thank you.. I was kind of like, I don't know you, but like, thanks for doing that. Okay. So he was like, I assumed this was just like some dude trying to be like, you're pretty, you're pretty, you're pretty, you're all pay for you. And so we love that. Yeah. So people there that night also came forward and said they saw her after their, the photo was published. They were like, that was her. And they said, they saw the man. And that he was buying her drinks all night, like paying attention to her all night. No one saw them leave together.

And no one can tell you where to leave. No one can say when he left or when she left, they didn't see them leave together. But who's to say they didn't, if you didn't see them leave at all. It wasn't initially the man went unidentified. Nobody could tell who the dude was. But then.

Well, then Annie's father hired a private investigator after. Hell yeah, he did. After she went missing. And this private investigator believes that she never went to that pub. Oh, so he doesn't believe that was Annie at that pub. Okay. Now, the reason for this is that night, and I take this with the grain of salt. Okay, what's the reason?

I think this private investigator has a, you know, it's a good reason maybe she wasn't there, but I don't know. I feel like she was there. What is it? So he says he doesn't think she was there that night because he said it was raining and freezing that evening. Oh, because the fuck I'm still going out? Well, she would have had to walk in the rain in the pitch black for over three miles to get to the club

The pub who's to say she didn't get a cow and this would have been a long pitch black mountain roads in the rain Not likely she would do that alone. Okay, but again, maybe she got a ride and if she was there with a guy Maybe she did know this guy. Maybe she had just met him. Maybe he drove her there. Right. We don't know So just through that and just so you have a, maybe it's a memory. You can decide either why people are like, I don't know. So the next day was Saturday. She doesn't show up to get her paycheck at work or for her shift. And when her friends read in Hillary's show up at her apartment that night for dinner,

no one answers. She's not there. This is not like Annie. So they left. They like waited around for a while then left, and they called her, no one answered. So they're like, this is weird. So they ended up calling her mother and being like, which again shows how close they are, they're like, they call her mom. And we're like, this is weird. And her mom's like, what the hell? And then Jill and I just showed

a backup the next morning and Jill and Annie wasn't there. And that bag of groceries is chilling on the counter. And the shopping bag is sitting on the counter with me and she's probably ran so let's fuck it. So now everyone is concerned as fuck. They're like whoa, whoa, whoa, this is all bad. And this is not Annie. Yeah, and it was clear to them that she had intended to come back and put that stuff away.

Right. You don't just plop a bag on a counter and leave and not plan to come back and put that stuff away. Right. You don't just plop a bag on a counter and leave and not plan to come back. No. So once it was discovered that she was gone, her parents were contacted again by friends. They arrived in Ireland immediately on the next flight. She was officially reported missing about 80 hours

after the last sighting of her was confirmed. That's a long time. So now people are wondering, was this guy that she was possibly seen with twice the man that was responsible for her disappearance? And was this the same man? We don't know. Like, they both were in their mid 20s, those are late 20s,

but like, but no. No, so are a lot of other people. Exactly. So there was a massive search for the police publicly asked people with any information to come forward. That's when a lot of these people came forward being like oh, I saw her here. I saw her there She was wearing a dark colored tweed jacket when she disappeared and oxblood colored cowboy boots, which I'm like getting Incredible

She was also carrying a tan shoulder bag. Okay, so the missing person's investigation Quickly turned into a murder investigation. They don't have any evidence But that they've released of this But she really went without a trace. Authorities are basically looking for a body at this point. No trace of her has ever been recovered The parents stayed in Ireland for two months looking for those poor, that's awesome. All those poor parents. And nothing. There's nothing. She disappeared. That is just always, I mean, I've said it so many times, but the craziest thing to do

when people just disappear and there's nothing. It's insane. Now, there's two theories outside of like a serial killer operating for her. One of the theories is the former flame theory. Now, she was apparently had told a few friends that she had let things get a little too far recently with a former flame of hers. Not fill up, not dermate, a different person. And she said like things just went a little too far and that she was like, oh, I don't want to get back into that. Like, I don't know why I let that happen.

So basically she's saying like they hooked up and she was like, oh, she's like, oh, I shouldn't want to get back into that. Like, I don't know why I let that happen. So basically she's saying like they hooked up and she was like, oh, she's like, oh, I shouldn't have done that. I'm just like, that was a bad idea. It's not gonna start again. So in this person, this guy was asked about it by police because they, the friends came forward and were like, they're like, for the way. He denied that it happened.

And that's sketchy. Then tried to make up an alibi for the time she claimed they were together. Cool, cool. Immediately they were like, oh, that sketchy is fuck. Right. So they started pressing him on it. And eventually he admitted and he was telling the truth. They had hooked up whatever had happened and that his alibi was bullshit. And his reasoning for lying was he didn't want his girlfriend to find out. Oh, so he's just garbage.

She's fucking pig. He's probably not a murderer. He's just a fucking asshole. And also, you idiots. Well, don't lie to the police. He just almost got arrested for murder. You dumbass. Right.

And all on your own. Like, fuck, Jesus. So that one didn't pan out. So they were like, well, I'll see you later. Goodbye. The second theory, this one's an interesting one. And this one has stuck around in this one. If it's not a serial killer, this one seems pretty likely.

Hemi up. So this is a theory of the IRA member, the Irish Republican army. I was like, the one you do know that I was. I was like, I know I've heard it before, but I was like, the one again. So this is kind of crazy. So eventually the man who paid for her to enter the pub that evening was identified. Sure.

And he was identified as a former IRA member. He was a legit hitman. Oh, I'm sorry, this is the guy that paid for her to get in. Okay. He was on the run for murder. You don't want to owe him money. No, you don't want to owe him two pounds at all. And he had been banished from Northern Ireland. run for murder after that. You don't want to owe him money. No, you don't want to owe him two pounds at all.

And he had been banished from Northern Ireland. Perfect. And members had literally kicked him away. And we're like, you need to be gone. So what? What? This man was banned from Ireland shortly after this. And Ireland does a whole.

And is in the US. Oh, no, thank you. They believe at least. He was caught up in a situation where he raped the 12 year old daughter of another IRA member. Oh my God. He's like a brutal monster.

So this is a strong theory. Here's what the theory is. So there is a book by, let me just try. Alan Bailey, who is the lead investigator, one of the lead investigators on this case. It's called Missing Presumed, and it's about the sixth that they focused on.

And I'll talk a little bit more about him in a second. But in his book, he postures that perhaps what had happened that night, the reason that this guy would want to take her or kill her, was he, you know, he found her attractive, he paid for it, to be like, cool, I'm gonna be like the slag guy. And then they, you know, people said that he was buying her drinks, they were drinking together,

they were like talking, they were, and she wasn't into him. No, no, dammit. Maybe that, you know, he started seeing that, because she was very open about, like I love Irish things. I love all things Irish. And so he maybe saw that that was the case.

She was probably pretty open about it. Like I love this music, I love Irish music, and I'm American, but. And so he was probably like I'm gonna impress her and tell her my stories of like the IRA and like all that stuff. She might and he's drinking. So he's getting drunk said too much. Maybe he said a little too much.

Maybe she was getting a little uncomfortable and she was like, yeah, I'm not into this. And he could see that. And maybe he was like, oh shit, gotta take care of that. I gotta take care of this because I told her too much and she's uncomfortable and might tell someone. Okay. Well, maybe just don't fucking say that then. It's not a bad theory.

I think that if there's no, if this isn't like a serial killer situation, that's a pretty good theory for Annie. I agree with you. It's awful and I, you know, I mean, it's pretty plausible, but it's pretty plausible. I'm just saying plausible. I was like, what is plausible? Pretty plausible. I meant to say plausible. Pretty plausible. I'm just a plausible. I'm like, what is plausible? Pretty plausible. I'm into say plausible. I like really don't. I'm not good at that whole talking

thing. Where it's hard. What did I say the other day? You said um scarce or scarce. You put you make sparse and scarce and made scars. I don't know. I think that's my favorite. I think maybe I'm I like brand. Yeah, issue. A braid. Uh, issue. See clearly anyways.

Go ahead with your storytelling. So so that's that's Annie McCarek's disappearance. Again, no evidence has been found. She seemingly vanished into thin air. I don't know. I like that plausible theory. Yeah, I mean, that's the only thing that really makes sense outside of this all being the work

of some mastermind serial killer. Yeah. So the next one is Josephine Jojo Dollar. Jojo, yes. And this was November 9th, 1995. She was 21 years old. Still wasn't born yet. She still wasn't born yet, God damn it. She was 21 years old. She was 21 years old. She was 5 foot 5 like she was

petite blue eyes brown hair. She was you know supposedly really funny. She was kind of like a goofball and easy to be around. She had three brothers or three sisters and a brother. She had a tough like go at it at first. Her father died shortly before she was born and her mother died when she was only 10. Oh, that's awful. So her older sister's basically raised her. Yeah. She worked as a waitress a lot and a lot of different pubs and cafes. Initially she was living and working in Dublin, but moved closer to her hometown of Callan. She had a flatmate, Mary McCullan in, and on the day she went missing, she went into Dublin on an early bus because she was going to go pick up their social welfare payments, and it was like a specific day. So she got

them and the bus that she was going to come back on wasn't going to be leaving until like 6pm So she had like hours to wait. Okay So she talked to some friends like on some like um and some of the phone booths And she remember she had been living in Dublin for a while before she moved back to um the hometown of Callan So she had a lot of friends there. Yeah, she had worked in some of the pubs there So she was like, you know what? I'm gonna go to to this pub called Bruxels, and I'm going to see if anybody I know is in there, like maybe see some people. Yeah. So she ran into an old friend who was bartending there. She hung out there chatting with him for a while. Then another friend

of hers from like a far showed up, and this was someone that she had had a thing with at one point. Okay. So they spent a few hours together. They were like rekindling basically. Like, you know, because it's a nickname, have her own drinks. Well, apparently it went well, the rekindling, because a room was booked at a nearby hotel in their name. Get it girl. Get it girl. But that in it was supposed to be for that evening, but unfortunately they didn't use that room because she didn't show up. Nope, because a girl showed up to the pub while they were still there, and this girl

was the one who this dude had met right after dating JoJo, and oh, they were living together. Okay, that was his girlfriend. So she was not pleased to say the least. Fuck that. Her and JoJo got into like an argument a little bit. How the fuck was JoJo supposed to know? She didn't know? He didn't tell her. Right.

What the hell? So we're killing the girl. So, so they got in like a little bit of an argument. He ended up leaving with the girl. And what a douche. What a douche. Exactly ended up leaving with the girl and what it do left exactly So he left Jojo and now Jojo's like oh shit my bus left at 6 p.m. Oh, no I thought we were staying now we're not so he's like well shit and now she's stranded So she decides to go to another bus station and try to catch

Another bus heading in the direction of home. She knows she's not gonna be able to go all the way on the bus So what she figures is she's like, you know what? I'm gonna have to hitchhike the direction of home. She knows she's not gonna be able to go all the way on the bus. So what she figures is, she's like, you know what, I'm gonna have to hitchhike the rest of the way. Because at that point, especially where she was, that was not a weird thing to do. Right. Now, when she got to the bus station this time,

it was after 9 p.m. Because remember, she had hung out with this person at the barber. Where she was staying. And the bus going out was going as far as Nas. So her plan was then to hitchhike to Callan. And that was a long way. I looked it up and I believe from Dublin to Callan,

it was like over an hour. Oh shit. So she got a ride hitchhiking. And this driver that initially picked her up was only going as far as kill Colin, which was far away from home still. But he was like, you know what, I'll pick you up and I'll bring you that far. At least it's, yeah, someone. He was like, I just don't want you like standing out here by yourself and he even told her you got to be careful. Like, maybe you should just get a hotel. Like, you shouldn't be, you know, I'm not a creep, but like, I'm I'm a little worried about you like this is a little creepy. Oh, I wish she had just a

little hole in. Well, and he dropped her off at Kill Colin and then another young man plucked her up, but he was only going as far as moon, which is a village. Oh, shit. I want to live there. Yeah, the village of moon. So she took him up on that and around 1130, he dropped her off near a phone booth in moon and that's where she called Mary, her roommate. Okay. And she was like, I still got a long way to go. You come get me. She's got a shit ton of like distance to go back home. And she's already done two hitchhikes. Now witnesses said they saw her half in the phone booth and half out of it talking on the phone while trying to hitchhike at the same time. Oh damn. So she's telling a multi-tasking girl. Yeah, she's

telling Mary this whole sorted tale being like, Jesus Christ. But she also doesn't want to miss anyone. And then she's holding her thumb out, just make it sure she can still hitch. So Mary said that while speaking to her, she was like, wait hold on a second. She heard the phone booth door open, 30 seconds later. She got back on the phone and JoJo was like, I got someone. Okay. So I'm on my way. This was the last time she spoke to her.

Oh no. Now witness later said they saw someone matching JoJo's description, running from the phone booth box to a dark colored four door Toyota Corina. They said she got into the back passengers side. Okay. Which that's smart. There was probably, well no, no way to get such a pass the back passenger side. Which would mean there was probably no way to sign the passenger side.

That there's at least two people in that car, possibly three other people in that car. And that was possibly, and then, lay after that, or I don't know if it was, yeah, it was after this, she was possibly seen in Castle Dermot wandering the roads, but that's not confirmed. Right. People said they saw like a woman on the road at Castle Dermott. Yeah, okay. They kind of matched her description, but like, I don't know if it makes sense. When she didn't show up at work the next day, Mary called JoJo's older sister Kathleen,

because remember, Holder's sister said like raised her. Mm-hmm. And she immediately contacted police. Mm-hmm. She said they didn't really take it seriously immediately. That's nice. And she really had to like fight to get her case opened. Good.

Because they were like, she's 21. Good for her. And she's fine. And they were like, she was like, no, this is weird. And she said, especially if bothered her that she's like, I'm telling the police that she disappeared while hitchhiking in the middle of the night. Right.

And then like her last communication was like, hey, I'm getting into a stranger's car. And then she was night. Right. And the last communication was like, hey, I'm getting into a stranger's car and then she was never seen again. And they're like, well, she's 21. Like, why isn't that telling you that like this might be a problem? So police finally did take it seriously and they started asking farmers around the area

to search around their properties. Yeah. They combed the sides of the roads. They found nothing. It was a massive search. The two drivers who did pick her up, they came forward during this to be like, we picked her up. Like, they offered up like we.

The two previous people. Like, they were like, we picked her up. We want to make sure that that's on record. There were crazy rumors at one point that the one of the drivers who came forward was a guy who possibly was a suspect. Oh, like now. Was this like the second one or something?

Yeah. This was the second one. He came from a super prominent political family in the area. Okay. And people thought that she was buried on their property. I think it was just like one of those crazy rumors. Like a conspiracy kind of thing. No driver though has come forward to say they picked her up and castlederm it where they

say people saw her. So police say that it's probably clear that that second, that third person who person who passed her up in moon village was probably, or people in the car, where there was probably multiple people, probably the ones responsible. They are the last people. So police went as far as to do a full blown recreation of her last movements in the film for television. That's cool. They hired actresses, they did the whole thing.

So they came through. Yeah, so they came through. And they believe she was abducted between 1150 and 1215. And she was wearing black jeans, a black jacket, white shirt, and black shoes. Now, in January 1997, this is crazy. What? A taxi driver.

This is in 1997. A taxi driver told authorities, they're like, you know what, I have something to say about this case. And this is like four years later. This is, yeah, cause what was this? 93 or 90. Let me make sure.

95. So this is a year later. Oh, oh, no. Or two years later. It's two years later though. The taxi driver came forward and he said that night, a bit after 1am, when she went missing, he was driving home from his shift.

And he said he passed by a car that was pulled over in that the same exact area. He said he observed a man standing at the front driver's side peaking on the side of the road. Cute. And he just noticed it. And then he said, suddenly, I saw the rear passenger door fly open and a woman jumped out and appeared to run away. Oh no.

He noted she appeared very upset, very frantic, and he saw another man jump out of the backseat of the car, and run after her, he grabbed her around the waist, and him along with the peeing guy, roughly threw her into the back of the car. And what did the fucking taxi driver do? Well, and he said they got in and drove away as fast as they as they could in the direction of Waterford City. And he didn't call the police when this happened. Well, that's the thing. So he said the car was likely a red Ford Sierra saloon car.

And apparently that can look like a Toyota Carina, which is what somebody else saw. Yeah. And it was a dark color too. Right. So it kind of fits up. Now his reasoning for not coming forward, he came up with like a bunch of different reasons of like,

you know, I just suck. I heard the whole thing. Yeah, it's just like he said at the, when it all broke, he figured someone else had seen her. So he wasn't gonna tell his story. Like, well fuck you guys. I didn't know if it was her. It was just a whole thing. Like, I don't care if it's her that when as soon as that happened before he even heard that someone was

Missing you called the police if you see something like that. That's the thing and it's like That to me looks pretty good as the yeah, the thing I mean the fact that he said jumped out of the rear passengers That's the one she got in there. Yeah. So at the end of last year, so at the end of 2019, they opened up another investigation into the JoJo's disappearance. They're going to relook at everything, like basically a completely exhaustive relook into the case. So that's good, because a lot of these are being reopened and looked at. Well good. Fine or tooth comb. Now, this next one, this is the last disappearance I'll cover in this one because we're going to cover three in this and three in the next one.

This was on August 23rd, 1996. It was Fiona Pender. She was 25 years old. Do you love that name? I do. I love the name Fiona. One of my kids was almost Fiona. Mine.

So she was seven months pregnant. Oh, yeah. That adds a whole nother. Yeah. Her partner was John Thompson. She was a part-time model and an apprentice hairdresser. Hey, oh. She was known as bubbly, friendly, very lovable. She loved motorcycles and was very skilled at riding. Oh, cool. She even became involved in a motorcycle riding club and actually I think she met John there. That's cool. That's cool. She even became involved in a motorcycle writing club and actually I think she met John there. That's cool. Isn't that cool? Unfortunately, her brother Mark died tragically in a motorcycle accident. Oh. June 1995 and that's when she refused to have a ride a motorcycle again. Yeah. So she just totally was like no. So this poor family has had unimaginable trust. Seriously. She was, she was five foot

five at the time, and again, seven months pregnant, she wasn't able to move around very well. She was having an okay pregnancy. It's just seven months. It can get tough at the end. And five five is petite. She's a little, so it's like, it's tough to move that around. So she went to the local sacred Heart Secondary School, she completed a junior certificate. John and her lived in London for a little bit at one point. Nice. Then they settled in Tellermore. So last, she was last seen in bed by John in her flat and church street in Tellermore. Well, that's interesting. John had spent, so he had left her like,

when she was in bed, he was going to spend the night starting on August 23rd, the last time he saw her at his family's farm. Okay. Because he had moved, they had moved a little bit away from his family's farm and he liked to help out. So he stayed over for the night to help them out. I guess that was like a source of contention

a little bit in their relationship when they first were figuring out where to live. Yeah. Because she loved London, like, and they didn't know where they were gonna live. He wanted to move closer to his family and tell them more. Okay. So she left the flat at some point that next day.

We know that and was never seen again. So she was having a, like I said, she was having tough time walking around. So she wasn't going to go far on her own. This was not a case of like she got up and left. She ran away. Yeah. So that Thursday the day before she disappeared, she had spent the day shopping with her mother for baby items. That's really sad.

It was very happy but very tired. She had gone back to her parents' home for a bit that night and then at 7 p.m., she took a taxi home with her mom. Okay. They planned to have another day together the next day, but that was the last moments her mom saw her. Oh, that's really awful. So the next day her mother calls her because they had plans and she couldn't get her on the phone

and she was like, that's weird. So she went to the flat, the curtains were closed, the shades were drawn, it was dark. But she was like, you know what, maybe she's resting or napping, you know, pregnancy. Her father had actually walked by the flat later that night, it was still dark, The shades were still pulled. The next afternoon, and they're starting to be like, that's a little weird, but like maybe she's just right. And she's resting. The next afternoon is when they were like, what the fuck? Because they still weren't getting anything. So they called, got no answer. Then they called John at his parents' home, and he said he thought Fiona was with them. Oh. And so he probably hasn't been able to get in touch with her. Yeah, he was like, I was assuming she was with them. Oh. And so he probably hasn't been able to get in touch with her.

Yeah, he was like, I was assuming she was with you. He came home immediately. They searched endlessly. 10 p.m. Saturday night, they filed a missing person's report. Yeah. Police came and searched. They found no forced entry, no signs of anything happening in the flat. Okay.

So they were like, she definitely like left on her own. It seems at least they broadcasted it everywhere This it went all over the place her picture was circulated one witness came forward and said early Friday morning He was walking on church street and he saw two men putting a big bulky thing that appeared to be wrapped in an old rouger carpet Into the trunk of their car. Oh casual. So he like, I thought it was just a rolled up carpet. It's never just a roll up carpet. It was on church street, which is where she lived. March 31st, 2000, her father, Sean,

unfortunately took his own life. Oh, and family says it was family due to heartbreak of losing his child and his unborn grandchild. And his, he lost a son too. Yeah. So May 10th, 2008, someone, this is crazy. This is like blue one. And so this was in 2008.

Yeah. Someone was walking in Monacue in the, what is it, Selib? I got to look this one up. Pause, pause everybody, because this one's a tough one and I don't want to mess it up. Sleeve blue.

That's what it is. Did you just get me in that tube? I'm sure it did. I don't want to mess it up. I'm sure it did. I think it's sleeve blue. I don't even. That's how it came out to me.

So she was, so this person was walking in the sleeve blue. And they came across a hand-made cross with the words, Fiona Pender buried here Thursday October 22nd 1996. So of course they notified the police because they were like what what what what. Well that's somebody that knows her clearly. And it became a huge event. They had to like seal off the big area around it. They set out on this big like huge event. They had to like seal off the big area around it. They set out on this big like supervised dig. They had a noted friends against their polygist on board.

They were like, here she is. That would be like almost scarier to find than a body. Right. Like that's haunting. Like buried here. Yeah. Like on this state like, like this missing person. Yeah.

So they dug extensively. Nothing. Do you think that it was just like a terrible, terrible praying? People think it could have either been a very terrible hoax or according to Alan Bailey, the in the missing presumed book, the date on the cross does coincide with the really put this huge personal trauma that occurred in the life of a male that is a person of interest in the case. Okay. So the fact that he was like so the fact that that date happens to coincide with this big moment of trauma in this guy's life who's a person of interest in the case. Do we know what the trauma is? Seems they didn't release it. Oh, I mean, we don't even know the person's name.

Right. They don't release a lot publicly, like, people of interest. That's kind of smart. And so, but they said that's interesting. Okay. But again, nothing has come of it yet. This was in 2008, which was a long time at this point. You think of it as like not that much, but like not that long.

When they say a point of trauma, I wonder if this guy like a completed suicide. No, no, no. No, it's like a personal trauma in his life. Oh, like this date occurred. So it's not the same day. Okay, okay, I'll do that. It's like that date is like a per date of personal trauma. Like the anniversary of it.

So they're wondering if it has to do with it. Got it. Got it. Got it. You would put that down. Sorry. I was like, I'm like, slushin, but you're like, you're not good at this. You're trying.

No, you are. You're great at it. Yeah. So he also said that the writing on the cross is very unique. And they hope that's going to help them bring results. They need a sample of this guy's writing. They do. So July 9, 2013, Tella Moore town council where she lived,

voted to name a walk near the canal by her home Fiona's way. I love that. I know, isn't that sweet? In 2014 police opened the investigation again. Good, good. So a woman in Saskatchewan, Canada, who was originally from Ireland, came forward and said her husband, who was a person of interest in the case, had been arranging violent sexual assaults on her. I'm sorry what? And threatening to kill her.

And so she came to the police and she said he's already like a person of interest in this, and she said he told her he killed Fiona. Oh damn. And he told her where he buried her. But so that lead they got it. It hasn't panned out yet. But that's interesting. That's that's pretty interesting. I read that her mother said, and this just like hurt my heart, because I was thinking about it. And I was like, wow, that is that must be awful. So her mother says, quote, I can't go to bed until I know I'm going to sleep because it's too hard. I can't lie on the bed because it's just like a television program going in front of my eyes, remembering everything. Oh, that's horrible. And I was thinking about that. I was like, you must just wait for your body to be so tired, just so you won't have to think. Because that would be the time when I would think, yeah.

I can't imagine that. Because you're not doing anything else. So what happened in 1998, they set up a task force to really concentrate on these six disappearances, because now they're like, this is like something's going down. And this was called Operation Trace. And it was to establish connections, gather evidence, to connect all these things. And it stands for tracing, reviewing, and collating evidence.

It was set up by Garda Commissioner Mr. Pat Bern. This task force has six members in it and is headed up by Alan Bailey, who wrote that book, Missing Presumed. And they were focusing on men who have, quote, shown serious sexual violence against women. Basically the worst monsters they can find, because they're assuming that this person definitely is like a sexual predator. A sexual predator is probably. They're profiling them, looking into their movements and whereabouts during the time of the disappearances.

They establish this task force to focus on those specific sex women, but they also acknowledge that these other cases that we'll mention in the next episode could be associated. Yeah, but they are focusing on the sex because they really feel the connection here. Larry Murphy is someone we're going to talk about in part two and he is a violent sex offender

and attempted murderer who they have been looking at heavily as possibly being the person responsible for a lot of these. We must have some connections to these women. Yeah, and we're gonna go into that in part two. So we're gonna end here, but right now we're gonna leave you with those three disappearances. But you're leaving me with this too. I won't even you with it.

I'm not. And in part two, we're gonna to get in the other missing women. Okay. We're going to talk about Larry. Yep. And we're going to talk about a couple of the other theories. In the meantime, if you guys want more information on this case, I highly, highly, highly recommend the book, Missing Presumed by Alan Bailey, because it sounds good.

So exhaustive and so thorough. Right. And he's literally working the case. He was working the case, he's retired now, but he was working the case. So he's got First Hand. You won't find anywhere else. But very, very interesting to you.

Yeah, and that was a very interesting part one. I'm like ready for part two. I hope you guys are ready for part two. They're gonna be. Are you ready? Yes, we're ready for this jelly. We're ready. It's gonna be intense, guys.

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