Morbid - Episode 157: The Senseless Murder of Vanessa Guillen

Episode Date: July 19, 2020

Specialist Vanessa Guillen went missing from Fort Hood Military Base on April 22, 2020. She was last seen at the armory and the last person she was seen working alongside was fellow soldier a...nd specialist Aaron Robinson. Weeks before her disappearance, she told those closest to her that she had been dealing with a fellow soldier, a sergeant, that was sexually harassing her and she was ready to report it. June 30, her dismembered, burned and mutilated remains were found crudely buried in quick cement/earth alongside the Leon River in Belton Texas. Robinson took his own life in an attempt to escape his crime but his girlfriend Cecily Aguilar confessed to her part in the brutal mutilation and disposal of the body of a US soldier. Details of the crime and the following weeks are confusing and suspicious. Is there a coverup? Regardless of the truth, this brings to light the broader issue of reporting sexual assault in the military and Vanessa's family is trying to make sure those that defend our country are safe to report these issues without fear of repercussions. See soldier's speaking out: #IamVanessaGuillen Thanks to our sponsors! Prose Prose is the healthy hair regimen with your name all over it. Take your FREE in-depth hair quiz and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/morbid. Pretty Litter Get the world’s smartest litter without leaving home by visiting PrettyLitter.com and use promo code MORBID for 20% off your first order. Luminary's Murder on the Tow Path Listen to Murder on The Towpath, only on Luminary. Go to Luminary.com/Towpath and get a 7-day free trial of Luminary’s Original podcasts. Cancel anytime. Terms apply. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:23 of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey, Weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Alena. And this is morbid and this is going to be, this is a very important morbid. We're excited to share this one because a lot of people have requested it. We're going to be covering Vanessa Gian today. We are. We're going to do it.
Starting point is 00:02:15 But before we jump in, we just have like two little things that we just wanted to throw at ya. The first one, I don't even know why I'm saying this. I think it's just to do that. But I was confused. We had a couple people in the last episode, I think I mentioned that like Europe has such a long history. You know, they have castles that date back so long and we don't have that in the United
Starting point is 00:02:39 States. You're talking about like buildings. What I was talking about was that when you go to Europe, you get to see buildings that are very old. That's what I thought you were talking about like buildings. What I was talking about was that when you go to Europe, you get to see buildings that are very old. That's what I thought you were talking about. And I was like, yeah, we don't have any cool lost buildings here. No. Well, there's like a sprinkling.
Starting point is 00:02:53 I think majority of people understood what I was saying there, but a few people got very angry at me about it. Just to clarify. So I just wanted to acknowledge that that there was a whole history before, Alexander Hamilton and all that mess. Oh, okay. You can stop now before you start like wrapping Hamilton in the beginning of this podcast.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Yes. So I just wanted to point out that I know there was history before that. I know into that history. I was talking about buildings. Buildings. Just buildings. So I was talking about. Well, I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, but here it is.
Starting point is 00:03:23 It's a lesson. In lighter news, we're going gonna talk about a different building. We're gonna have a live show. Yippee! But you can't come. You can't, because of the Rona. But you can buy tickets to tune in to set live show. Yay!
Starting point is 00:03:38 So July 23rd, we are actually gonna be at AS220 where we did our first live show. Yes. Which is super fun. And there's gonna be nobody there except Mealina and Annie. No, Annie will not be in the show, normal John. No. But they'll be there in spirit. They will. And the chairs.
Starting point is 00:03:54 You can, the link right now, if you want to buy tickets, is in our Instagram bio. It's also in Twitter. And I'll like reshare it again. And I'm gonna post it on the website too. So it'll be on moregoodpodcast.com. And a big portion of our proceeds is going to be going to the center for missing and exploited children.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Yes, because we love that charity. We do, and we are so excited to do this show. It has a really fun theme. Yeah, we're theming this fully out. I just got my outfit the other day. The Centrelina picture picture and I was like, I'd like to wear this elsewhere too. If you were like, that's awesome, dude.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Because we could have totally just been like, you know, we could have been normal about this, but are we normal? You know, we're not normal and also during Rona times, it's like, why not make this just like a really super fun? It'll really can't be awesome time. So. And it's like, I feel like it's gonna be a good preview
Starting point is 00:04:45 for what we do have planned for live shows when they're like back on schedule. Yeah. Because we're gonna be putting a lot of work and a lot of cool ambiance on the stage. It's true. It's true. It's gonna be pretty cute.
Starting point is 00:04:57 We're up in the game. Yeah. We are. So definitely go get tickets to that. It's gonna be really fun night. You get to, there's like a link. You have to download an app and then you sign in on that app
Starting point is 00:05:07 and that's how you watch. So you can do it on like your computer. If you're fancy, you can hook it up to your TV. I don't know how you guys do that. Yeah, I'm always impressed by that. I think it's literally just an HDMI for me. Like we understand. But hashtag old.
Starting point is 00:05:19 But yeah, so do that. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I can't wait. It is, we're excited. So definitely do it. We're excited about it. And that's really all we had to touch upon so yeah, I think we want to jump into the Vanessa G in case because Wow, wow like I knew this case was very
Starting point is 00:05:37 That it was a lot of moving parts like I knew it was crazy But I did not know all of the things. And when I dove into it, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, in this case, it says bananas. It's banana pancakes. So we're gonna jump right into this talking about Vanessa Gianne was one of six kids in her family. She grew up in Houston.
Starting point is 00:05:58 She wanted to join the army, everyone in her family and everyone who knew her says she wanted to join the army since she was a little girl. Like that was her thing. Her mother Gloria Gianne said as young as 10 years old, she said she was going to enlist in the military. Wow. What a badass. I was going to say that. Yes, but she was always ready to serve this country.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Like she was like, I want to fight for this country, I want to protect people, I want to be a hero. Like she was all about a noble 10-year-old. Right. And you know what? And as soon as she finished high school at Cesar E. Chavez High School in 2018, she enlisted immediately. So she was stuck true to her where she was like we're doing the damn thing. Yeah, she was not all talk. She was stationed at Fort Hood in Texas. She was a super active woman, loved going to the gym, loved playing soccer according to her family. She was outgoing, she was funny. Just, you know, she's what you see in the pictures of her.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Right. Basically, like she kind of like exudes who she was. What you see is what you get. Yeah. She was in a relationship with a man named Juan Cruz when she went missing. Okay. He was very active in asking for help finding her.
Starting point is 00:07:04 I just feel bad for walls. That's really sad. I want to hug. For about three weeks before her disappearance, she was acting strangely. Okay. This was according to her mother. It was according to her sisters. The people who knew her best. They said like, you know, she wasn't sleeping right, she wasn't eating enough, she was losing weight. She was just acting stressed There was just something going on her mother was like, all right I know you you got to tell me what's going on right and finally Vanessa confessed You know, I'm feeling a little scared and a little like stressed out because I'm being sexually harassed at forthood
Starting point is 00:07:39 Oh, she said it was by a sergeant in particular And she didn't want to report it because she said, one, they're not going to do anything about it. Right. And she said, I've talked to other women and other people that this happened to. Nothing's really gone on. Or she said she was afraid to suffer repercussions. Because her mother asked her, who is doing this?
Starting point is 00:07:59 Give me a name. Vanessa didn't want to tell her because she was like, I'll report it because she was like, I'll report it at some point. I'm a little nervous to get the blow back, but I know I'm going to do it. Well, and when you're dealing with like higher ups too, that's, I can't imagine. Well, that's the problem. That's the problem. It's the chain of command thing where like, if it's a higher up, you're really in a bad spot.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Especially. And so her mother was like, okay, why don't you tell me the name of this household and I'll report him for you. Right okay, why don't you tell me the name of this household and all report him for you? Right. So you don't have to. But like mom and their vibes. Yeah, like she was just like, you know what else, you know, it can be that you Confined it in me and I chose to report it. Right. So it's not totally on you. So she was like, you know what? She didn't tell her anybody the name, but she was like, I am going to make a decision to
Starting point is 00:08:43 report this. I'm thinking part of this too is just rape culture in general where unfortunately as women, you immediately feel shame. Oh, yeah. It's just instilled in you. Like you think one, you don't want to talk about it because it's like, you know, like you just don't want to even relive it again. And then when you do talk about it, you're like, but did I do something that like- To make that happen.
Starting point is 00:09:07 It's just like in green. When you did not at all. Absolutely not. It's totally like this awful thing that's just ingrained in most of us that were like, well, did I lead them to believe that they could do that? You know what I mean? If you're watching and guessing.
Starting point is 00:09:20 It's like if you're watching, I'll be gone in the dark. They talk a lot about that. And I'll be gone in the dark. And it's lot about that. And I'll be gone in the dark. And it's like back then. And even now, like they talk a lot about how back then it was like that. And I'm like, back then, even now, people have that same view on right.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Absolutely. So I'm sure there was just a whole lot of things stopping her from immediately reporting it. And a lot of, I mean, sexual assault rape and sexual harassment is under-reported in civilian life. Never mind in the military. So it's like, it's just a problem all over. It's just a giant fucking issue. Like it problem over the earth, basically. So one of the problems, like we were saying,
Starting point is 00:10:00 with sexual assault in the military because it is a problem. And it's a problem that is now really coming to light with this case. Which is good. Yeah, because, you know, it has to do with... Good that it's coming to light. It's superiors and, you know... It's a male-dominated field. They're investigating their own sexual assaults, too. So, it's just this endless cycle of, sure, I'll report it.
Starting point is 00:10:23 But it's the same people that are gonna investigate it, that are gonna back people up, or they're not gonna wanna do, so it's just, it's not smart, it's just not happening. You have a horse in the race. And what we're gonna exactly, and what we're gonna see at the end of this, I'll tell you is Vanessa Gheon's family and her lawyer,
Starting point is 00:10:38 her family's lawyers and friends, and all these people, and people in Washington now, are trying to get it so that a third party entity is investigating these. And it should always be like that. And it should always be like that. And just talking about sexual assault in the military in particular, because that's
Starting point is 00:10:54 what we're talking about right now. So there was a study released by the Defense Department. And it was part of a congressionally mandated yearly report from the Pentagon. And it was about sexual assault. In part of the study was that they did a focus group and they talked to soldiers and they just talked to them, you know, like how do you think that sexual assault training
Starting point is 00:11:14 is going? Have you experienced it? Tell me, basically just trying to get anonymous reports of things. And some of the things they heard from soldiers are like, holy. wholly terrifying. Yeah. So somebody who's part of the focus group, a female junior enlisted marine said, today I bent over to get something. And I didn't know there was anybody behind me.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Ben to over to grab something really quick. And a sergeant is behind me and said, Oh, don't tempt me. Ew, what the fuck? What the who? Like don't tie your shoe in front of me? Like, okay, don't tempt me. Ew, what the fuck? Like what the, who the fuck do you want? Like don't tie your shoe in front of me, like don't tempt me. Like, the fucking turn around, bro. How about get control of yourself? How about you're not a wild animal? Like are you kidding me, right?
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Starting point is 00:13:09 Whoa. You know when you would come home from high school and it was only a few hours until that TV show everyone was watching was about to come on. Well in 1999, that show was Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In our podcast with Wondery, the re-watcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer, we take it back to 1999. So get out your knee-high boots and paste that poster of Angel on the wall. It's time to enter the Buffyverse. Some of you avid morbid listeners already know what we've gotten store. Join us. Join us as we sway our way through Buffy's drama, action, and romance.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Episode by episode. Slacy. Follow the rewatcher, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Darn, ee-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e- I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this.
Starting point is 00:14:09 I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this.
Starting point is 00:14:17 I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of this. going to get raped if I live on third deck. Oh, oh, way to be blunt about that. Okay, like so.
Starting point is 00:14:25 So maybe we shouldn't have all the people living in third deck that live there if I'm gonna get raped if I live there. That's like, are what? They're just supposed to hear this. Like you're just supposed, oh, cause you'll get raped up there. That must be horrifying.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Can you imagine hearing that? No. Like, oh, cool. What is happening now? And just to be so blunt about that. Yeah, and just to be like this is how it is Yeah, so I mean, and obviously this is not you know This is not all soldiers are all military. No, and that's not what we're saying But it's a it's a big problem and this is just the facts of the matter. It's a big problem
Starting point is 00:14:58 The Gian family attorney Natalie Kowalm said she had a briefing in Washington. And this was while Vanessa was missing. Okay. And she said that they found at least two incidents that she could point to a sexual harassment against Vanessa. She said allegedly a superior officer had once walked in on Vanessa when she was showering, literally sat down and watched her show.
Starting point is 00:15:22 What the fuck? Yes. And then a second time a fellow officer was sexually assaulting her with sexually disgusting remarks and he was doing it in Spanish. And so like he was trying to, and I'm assuming he was thinking like, you know, some people aren't gonna hear what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Right. And people who did this or the person who did this was not named. So we don't know, but those are two things that they said definitely happened. She said she never, so she never reported her harasser, even though she had told her mom, I'm going to do it. She never got a chance to do it because she went missing shortly after this discussion with her.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Because somebody probably found out that she was planning to. Yes. So according to officials on the base, she was last seen around 1pm April 22nd 2020. She was wearing a black shirt, black Nike sneakers, and light purple like jogging pants, like workout pants. She was last spotted in the parking lot of her regimental engineer squadron headquarters, third calvery regiment at the Fort Hood military base. Okay. A search of the barracks where she had been in and working around that day, turned up her ID, all of her key cards, like everything she would need to get in and out of anywhere. He wasn't planning to go any more places.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Her wallet was still there. Yeah. She had just been promoted to specialist. I mean, she was, I mean, she was definitely not planning on leaving. Right. Like, this wasn't an A-wall situation. Right. And again, this immediately dispels any idea of that. Because of course, soldiers do go away well sometimes.
Starting point is 00:16:54 So that is something that they think of immediately, but this just wasn't the case here. It wasn't here. So June 21st, Fort Hood Deputy Commander Major General Scott at Flandt or EFland made a statement about Vanessa's disappearance and asked the public for help. So he gave the information about her disappearance and said this is the last time she was seen she seemingly just vanished. Right. And they said someone must
Starting point is 00:17:19 know something we just want to bring her home. Right. So they were just putting out a plea to people to be like tell us what you know. The army initially offered up a $15,000 reward for information. It was later raised to $25,000. And then another $25,000 came from the League of United Latin American citizens. Okay. It was a pretty big reward at the end. At the press conference outside of Fort Hood on June 23rd, Gloria Gianne, Vanessa's mother, said, I want my daughter back alive.
Starting point is 00:17:51 I want her alive because she entered Fort Hood alive. And if God forbid, my daughter turns up dead, shut down this base. That girl is my life. I adore her. That's why I'm fighting with nails and teeth until they return her in the guilty pay. Oh, I can't imagine being her mother. That was on June 23rd. On June 30th, Fort Hood officials said that they did find partial human remains.
Starting point is 00:18:16 They found it close to the Leon River in Belcowty, Texas. After they discovered these remains, her sister, Vanessa's sister, Myra, told Time magazine, I feel empty. I feel like they took everything from me. That's terrible. So, what they claimed happened was, on April 22nd, she went, she did go to work at the armory, at Fort Hood. She was working there.
Starting point is 00:18:41 She was apparently like reading off serial numbers of weapons and doing that kind of thing in the armory She was in there with army specialist Aaron Robinson who was one years old He was a piece of shit and she noticed that there were photos on his phone now This is what is told this is the story that's being told. Okay. I don't necessarily believe this story I'm sure it has some missing pieces. There's, she was definitely there. She was working, she was working with Aaron Robinson. This is all true.
Starting point is 00:19:11 This next part, I don't know if I don't think it's true. So what is was told by one of the suspects later was that she saw photos on his phone while she was there of 22 year old Cecold Cessalie Agalar. This was notable to her because Cessalie was married to a fellow former soldier. And apparently that's like illegal. Right, you get kicked out of the military. Adultery is like super illegal.
Starting point is 00:19:39 So Vanessa was like, dude, that's gross. What the fuck? And so he was like, you aren't going to get me in trouble and ruin my military career for this. And that's when he lost it. Okay. I, and from what I've read, a lot of other people don't agree. Because it's like how did it escalate to the point where? Yeah, like what?
Starting point is 00:19:57 Like there, like even the family lawyer, Natalie Kowam said, she was like, yeah, she didn't just walk in there and look at her phone and be like, oh look, you're committing adultery, burp burp burp. Right. That's, no. You don't just like look at somebody's phone so casually like that either and like the photos are just like right there. They also claim that she didn't know Cessli Aguilar so she wouldn't have known that he was she was married. Right. Like it just doesn't not it doesn't add up. It doesn't add up as the thing. But what we do know is whatever it is that set this into motion,
Starting point is 00:20:31 he did grab the nearest thing to him, which was a hammer. And he bludgeoned her to death with it inside of the armory. Okay. Blood would have gone everywhere. Right. Because he demolished her with that hammer. That's powerful. And I'll mention how bad it was in a little while,
Starting point is 00:20:54 and you'll see how this doesn't make sense. So he bludgeoned this girl in the armory with a hammer. The blood would have been, first of all, the amount of blood on him would have been extraordinary. There would have been an exceptionally insane amount of blood on the ceiling because the castoff would have been insane for what he was doing because he also was beating her,
Starting point is 00:21:19 who bludgeoned Vanessa in her head and face. And we all know that, please. It would have been on everything. There's no way. Everything. This would have hit everything that was around him. That place would have been a fucking mud bath. It would have taken so long to clean up.
Starting point is 00:21:36 It would have taken so many chemicals to clean up. He would have been completely drenched. So this did happen. But the whole thing that I'm wondering is like, who cleaned that up? Because- Who did? Do we know? As we're gonna see the time frame that they are claiming that he cleaned this up in. It doesn't add up.
Starting point is 00:21:56 It simply is impossible. It just didn't happen. So what are they saying? Nothing. They're just bullshit-ing. That's why everybody's like, whoa, whoa. Now do you have a theory about what actually did happen? I'm not really sure. I have a little bit of a theory, but honestly, it's very, it's so complicated that it's very confusing. So there would have been blood everywhere. This did happen. He said, so he then put her in a pelican case, which is like this really tough big like case.
Starting point is 00:22:25 It's called a Pelican case. Okay. And he kept that case in the armory, then apparently just went home to shower. Just dipped in blood-covered clothing. Went to the store to get all the things he will need to try to cover this up, like plastic sheeting, lime, quick dry cement, shovels. And then he contacts Cecilia Aguilar, his girlfriend, who he's having an affair with because she's married to another soldier, because he was like, I need help.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Now he left that armory and he just went home. Right. Like, don't other people have access to the armory? No one found this completely just nightmare that he left. And also he left her in a pelican case in the armory for some time. And no one questioned what? Like what? I'm just like at a loss in make any sense to me.
Starting point is 00:23:21 And when I wondered like okay, where are cameras here? Right. Apparently there aren't a lot of cameras at Ford Hood that are like surveillance cameras. I wonder why. Yeah, it's like, whoa. And again, to clean this up, you would need a myriad of hiding supplies. He was spraying so much things.
Starting point is 00:23:40 And so she was last seen at the Armory. They knew that. When she went missing, they knew the, so she was last seen at the armory. They knew that. When they, when she went missing, they knew the last place she was was working in that armory with Aaron Robinson. Mm-hmm. So who went and, who went and checked later, what, like in this armory, who did someone look in there? Did someone go back and be like, she was last here.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Maybe we should do some forensics in here. Do you think this is where she looked? And well, it's like, where's the blood? Right. If you guys just do some lumenol in there, and I'm pretty sure that place would be a fucking Christmas tree. It would be insane if you did that. So who, did you go in there and just look in there and be like,
Starting point is 00:24:20 yeah, she's not in here. So let's leave. Like, you didn't think to swab, like you could probably just go to any old wall in there and be like, yeah, she's not in here. So let's leave. Like you didn't think to swab, like you could probably just go to any old wall in there. But they probably didn't put that effort in. I mean, obviously they didn't. It is unbelievable to me, unbelievable to me. Like and then he walked out after he went and got the case,
Starting point is 00:24:39 people saw him dragging that case into his car. And nobody was like, hey, what's that bro? And no one was like, what's you doing? Like it's a military base. You should question what this dude is doing. Right. Like it seems weird to me. And it's just so weird.
Starting point is 00:24:53 I'm like, just when I read this, I had no idea that this had occurred in the armory, no, me either. And that like, there was all this time that was just unaccounted for. No, either. And that, like, there was all this time that was just unaccounted for. So apparently they were claiming that sometime in the span of 43 minutes is when he cleaned that armory.
Starting point is 00:25:13 No. They're claiming that's the amount of time they had. That would take hours and hours and hours. These hours and hours, maybe multiple people. Like a day, like a full-ass day. And in order to get it cleaned to the point where you weren't gonna, you wouldn't be able to. No. They were always gonna be able to find something if they look.
Starting point is 00:25:29 But they didn't look, so that's a problem. So specifically, the family's lawyer pointed out that this was not her looking at the phone and saying, oh, look, it's that girl that's married to that random former soldier I'm gonna report you. No. She didn't even want to report her Sexual assault that was going on why she gonna fucking report you, but I think this is her saying I'm gonna report you you can't do this to me anymore, right because I think that Aaron Robinson was sexually assaulting her or harassing her
Starting point is 00:25:58 And she was like I'm gonna report you right he was like no, you're not in this I'm gonna kill you because if you think about it of course Of course he's gonna call because later Cecilie is claiming that he called her and said you know She was gonna report our our fair our love You know like he was like I wasn't gonna let her take down our like it was this big like Oh god fuck off, but in reality he didn't want to call his girlfriend and say I've been sexually harassing this girl and she was gonna report me. Right, done.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Come on. Ugh. So, Cecilie is a straight up... Can we say? Mmm, she's... I don't need it, there's not a word for her. What is so true? Okay, keep going, keep going. Cecilie's, I mean, Erin Robinson and Cecilie deserve each other.
Starting point is 00:26:56 Did they clear up together? Did Chico end up helping them? Oh, yeah. And she's, I mean, they are both the most evil humans. Oh my God. I can imagine. The fact, oh, it just makes me angry. So, it's just so frustrating. So after Aaron Robinson bludgeoned Vanessa G. into death,
Starting point is 00:27:16 went home, did his thing, got his, went to the store, got all things seen. That's when he called Cessli Aguilar. Oh, and he told her he struck a female soldier in the head with a hammer multiple times in that he had killed her. That's when he told Cessli. Cessli was like, okay.
Starting point is 00:27:32 So she was like, cool, cool, cool. So he brought her body in the Pelican case to the Leon River in Belton, Texas. Somewhere between the hours of midnight and about 4am is when this all happened. Okay. So Cessli came with him him because Cecilie was like, gotcha, I'm here.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Let's do it. Okay. They tried to light Vanessa on fire. Oh my God. But it wasn't working. So, they took a machete and both of them dismembered her together. And like the other... Hi.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Where did you try to set her on fire on the military base that nobody saw you? Oh, no, this was off base Oh no, this was off base. Oh, this was off base. This was near the Leon River. So Agilar, according to court documents, said that they both used a machete type knife to quote, remove the limbs and the head from the body. They then buried her body parts in three different locations, and then later they tried to cover it up by using quick, dry cement to create a vault around all the pieces, and bury it with lime and such.
Starting point is 00:28:31 What the fuck? They then both threw the machete, the hammer, and her phone out the windows as they drove. Now, while all this horrific stuff is happening to Phorvena Sigeon's body. After her horrific murder, her sister, Myra, had arrived at Fort Hood to look for her. Oh my God. And so, and she's being turned away.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Wow, this is, while her body is being dismembered. And at one point during the investigation, her sister actually spoke to Aaron Robinson on the base, and he was pretty uncaring about Venice's disappearance. Oh, I'm shocked. Yeah. This was after he admired her. Of course.
Starting point is 00:29:08 He was just kind of like whatever, like brushed it off. Yeah, you're fucking great A.D. Absolutely. And a piece of shit. So Agalar told investigators that they actually went back to the place where they had buried Vanessa on April 26th. So a few days after they killed it, she'd, well,
Starting point is 00:29:25 Aaron had killed her. She and Robinson said they again tried to burn the body parts. And then they took hair nets and gloves and they were wearing those while they were doing this whole thing. And then they burned those. And then they said they burned their clothes that they had been wearing.
Starting point is 00:29:43 So they took multiple days, multiple attempts to cover this up. I mean, it was a full blown. To me, this feels premeditated. Yeah, it does. And I feel like, as we're gonna learn in a second, she wasn't supposed to be at the armory that day. Oh.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Yeah. So, yeah. So investigators started talking to Robinson April 28th. So two days after they had gone back to the site to try to burn everything a bit more, because now they're like, wait a second. Like all of a sudden they're like, you were at the armor with her the last time she was seen alive. We got to talk to you.
Starting point is 00:30:23 And apparently you were the only two there. Exactly. So he's like, he denies everything and he's like, nope, I was with Cecilia Agalar and she'll back it up. So he's like, I wasn't at the armory. Yeah, well, he was like, during the time, I went there, I did my thing and then I went home and she can tell you everything
Starting point is 00:30:38 that I was home all night after I worked. So Agalar did start like confessing to everything later, but at first she was giving him an alibi for that night. So she said, you know, she came to her, he came to her home, which is like off base. They were together all night, and then she later said, actually, no, worse her husband. Oh, freaking no, I don't even know. But so I think they're like a strange slaley. Okay. So they're probably not living together.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Sure. Who really cares, she's the worst. So she later changed that story and she was like, no, actually, he didn't just come to my house and we sat there all night. We met up in Belton, Texas, which is where the Leon River is. And she said that they were just, they went there to a quote, look at the stars.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Yeah, literally, okay Romeo and Juliet, you go fuck yourselves. You're an evil twat. Yeah. On the night that you know you were out there dismembering the body of a US soldier you want to claim that you just went for a stroll in the park.
Starting point is 00:31:44 You're just sitting there and say you were looking at the stars. Like you're an innocent with your boyfriend who you're having an affair with who sexually harassed the woman soldier that you helped hack up. Yeah, that's really what the unsettling are you two made of like the two of them I'm like holy shit. That doesn't make how do, how are you that evil? Talk about like poured from the same mold.
Starting point is 00:32:10 And how do you lie like that? Unbelievable. Well, without cracking. On May 18th, witnesses finally came forward and said, they saw Robinson carrying that, it's called the tough box to that pelican. Sure, sure, sure. To his car.
Starting point is 00:32:23 And they said it looked crazy heavy. He was struggling. Through in his car drove away, and that was on April 22nd in the evening. So they were like, yeah, we saw him. He consented to a search of his phone records at that point. And they saw that he was talking to Cessily Agalar a ton that night, calling her constantly.
Starting point is 00:32:42 They were talking the whole night, which makes it unlikely that they were together at home. So Agalar was interrogated June 19th and she was like, I don't really know when they asked her, like, why would he be calling you when you were together at home? Right, he was calling you to get you out there.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Right, that's what he was doing. So they checked their locations on both of their phones because now they're like, yeah, you're done. They're like, way says that you were not at home. Well, the Leon River is in Belton, Texas, where she said they were looking at the stars. So I think in her dumb little mind, she was like, well, place us.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Oh, it'll put us there, and I can pretend that we were just looking at stars. But we're just doing something cute and unassuming. Meanwhile, you're an idiot, and you just placed yourself there. Yeah, that was really dumb. The phone search showed that both of their phones were in Belton together. April 22nd, April 23rd, and April 26th. So in the evening of April 22nd, that's when they initially brought her to after he she was murdered. They
Starting point is 00:33:37 brought her there. Yeah. It bled into the 26th. So then they found that Robins, so they did a recorded phone call on June 30th. They tapped the phone between Agalar and Robinson. They found, and he said to her, quote, baby, they found pieces. They found pieces. And that was when they investigators had discovered human remains. Uh-huh. He then sent her text messages, and then he said, quote, baby, they found pieces. They found pieces. And that was when they investigators had discovered human remains. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:34:08 He then sent her text messages of news articles and photos detailing that human remains were found. Okay. So they were like, yeah, that's pretty suspicious. Uh, apparently, this is crazy. Apparently, they had searched the area that she was found in on June 21st, and they found remains of a burnt tough box in like a burn pile. And they also found disturbed earth, and they smelled the smell of decomp, but they didn't find human remains, so they just were like, well, that's that.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Cool! And Tim Miller from the Texas Equalurch said to Nancy Grace on her podcast that when they discovered the burn pile in the like burnt Pelican case that the CID, which is the US Army's criminal investigation division, who is out there searching with equicurch, they said they were like, yeah, I don't think that's relevant to the case. Oh, I don't think that burned box is relevant. Like, so wait. And that smell of human-dean comp, I don't think it has anything to do with that murder that happened.
Starting point is 00:35:11 And he said they had to push them to even consider it. And one of the acquisarch people had to Google an image of the pelican case, what it would look like, to show him that it was the case they used. Right. And only then... They knew that, though. Only then did they used. Right. And only then. Yeah, they knew that though. Only then did they agree to go out and search again. And this is after it had already been reported
Starting point is 00:35:31 that Robinson, a prime suspect, was seen leaving the armory the night Vanessa disappeared with a Pelican case. Right. I don't know why they thought it was just going to go away, but they did. And they were like, no, we don't need to come back here. Like you can sit there after being told that
Starting point is 00:35:47 People saw him bringing a pelican case out of the armor He didn't care about scene and it was heavy and he was struggling and now he's acting like a creep and you're finding all this shit And then you find a burnt fucking pelican case what in Belton near the Leon river where phones were paying. I think it's just a coincidence You're looking at this burn pile and going that's probably not relevant to the case. Are you fucking kidding me? No because they didn't want to have to deal with this That's what it comes down to I was re I was reading this and I'm like that's the shitty truth of this case is that They didn't want to deal with this they wanted to just move on from it and they were just gonna be like well We don't know what happened was Why was this fuck being protected?
Starting point is 00:36:25 And it's like, you know what? Well, Vanessa was one of your own. Right. What are you doing for? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck?
Starting point is 00:36:33 What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck?
Starting point is 00:36:41 What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? That's the thing. So, when US Marshals, the police and the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force confronted Robinson about all this because they were like, hey, what's up? We found human remains, we found the Pelican case, we found all these phone records, we have all these shitting and stew. They're sending a lot of text.
Starting point is 00:37:04 They were like, we'd like to give you a polygraph, and he was like, no, so he refused to polygraph. Good. That always looks good. Somehow escaped the base on foot before they could arrest him, wearing only a pair of shorts. And it's just insane. Where did you think you were going to go, dude?
Starting point is 00:37:19 And according to the Fort Hood public statement, they said, quote, while law enforcement agencies minus Army CID special agents attempted to make contact with the suspect, the suspect reportedly displayed a weapon and took his own life. So the incident took place in Kylie, Texas, where Fort Hood is located.
Starting point is 00:37:37 He basically got a gun, fled, and when they tried to confront him, he put it to his head and shot himself. So it's so funny to me. I'm like, wow. So you were, you're, you've got enough balls to bludgeon a fellow soldier to death in an armory. And then put her in a pelican case, take her out into the mill and know where.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Grab your girlfriend who is cheating on her husband with you and have her help you hack her into pieces with a machete. Poor quick, dry cement over her, poor the machete and the hammer. Try to burn her at one point. And poor phone out your windows, but you are too much of a little tiny baby to deal with the fucking repercussions of your actions. Yes. Wow.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Like, wow. I'm not shocked. And that makes me think I'm like, you know what? If he had lived and they had been able to arrest him and do an actual investigation, the shit that would have come out. Because I think that there was a lot more. A lot would have spilled out.
Starting point is 00:38:40 And I'm sure a lot more is still going to come out of people that maybe just don't feel safe. I know that dude is was a dangerous person. And I'm sure there's a lot more that came out about that. And was he 20? Did you say 20 years old? 20 years old. And you're that fucking fucking evil. How? Well, Vanessa Gaines phone records said that her last outgoing text message was to Robinson's phone. Okay. According to, and so she, what it was was she had been working that day obviously in the armory, but she wasn't meant to work that day.
Starting point is 00:39:13 She got called in. Nobody can say who called her in. Was it Robinson, that text to her? I think it must have been Robinson. They're saying it wasn't. Of course they are. But I don't believe that. I don't believe anything they have to say. And there's been like weird stories that have changed.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Like the witnesses who first saw her in the parking lot, first said 1 p.m. then switched it to 11 a.m. And so, and then again, she was called into work that day. No one's saying who will do it. It was her day off. It's sketchy. It was a Robinson who the fuck pulled her in off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off.
Starting point is 00:39:46 It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off.
Starting point is 00:39:54 It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off.
Starting point is 00:40:02 It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. the whole thing set up for. Probably. We don't know. I mean, anything's possible at this. It sounds nuts to even say that, but it's like, is it nuts? No, and the more you dig into where this happened, the more shit that comes out. And it's, I mean, it's just like, they took a machete in the middle of the night and burned her body. God, I do just have a machete also, like, nothing is out of the realm of possibility here. Now, I said before that I was going to mention how badly he bludgeoned her. Her face was beaten so badly that they couldn't piece her face back together. That's horrific. And they could not use dental
Starting point is 00:40:34 records to identify her because her teeth were shattered. Oh my god. They had to use pieces of hair and positively identified her through DNA analysis on July 5th. That's horrific. That's the only way that they could find her. Also, her mother doesn't know the details of what happened to her. She refuses to listen to anything she wants. I don't blame her. I would never want to know anything. I don't blame her either. Major General Scott Eifflyn, I think it is, deputed commander of three core at Fort Hood. He said at a press conference that quote, the criminal investigation has not found any connection between sexual harassment
Starting point is 00:41:11 and Vanessa's disappearance. Sure, by shocking. And senior special agent Damon Phelps has said that they looked at the interactions between Robinson and Vanessa. They looked at all the evidence that they could find and they found no evidence of sexual harassment. Yeah. First of all, the fact that they are investigating their own shit is unreal. Like, that's so biased, it's not even funny. And then, of course, you're not going to find any evidence of sexual harassment. Do you think he was going around doing it in front of people who he knew would talk?
Starting point is 00:41:41 No. Or he was doing it in front of nobody, he was doing it in private. And of course you're not gonna find it because you're the one that went out to the crime scene and saw burnt evidence and was like, I don't think that has to do with it. I don't think that's relevant. You're probably not looking super hard.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Come on, fellas. Like you're telling me you can't find evidence of sexual harassment? People? Of course you can. This is that people like this need to think of like their moms, or if they have a daughter, think of your daughter,
Starting point is 00:42:06 or your sister. It's like, why don't you move on? What if this happened to you in your family? Yeah, that's the thing. How about that? Well, luckily, Cecili Aguilar, the living suspect, is charged with three counts of conspiracy to tamper with evidence.
Starting point is 00:42:22 And when a judge asked her, I have never wanted to punch someone so hard in my life. When the judge asked her, if she understood the charges against her, first she shook her head now. What, what don't you understand? You don't understand what you did. And also speak up. You don't have a soul.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Oh no, and then eventually she said, yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. Oh. Just a muck. She just doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, sure. Oh, just a look. She just doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, sure. You dismembered a human body.
Starting point is 00:42:49 She's an evil piece of shit. Yeah, that's disgusting. Well, she faces up to 20 years in prison. That's $250,000 fine, which it's like she should get a lot more than that. She dismembered a body multiple days in a row. And the family's lawyer, Natalie Kauauam has said like she's a terrorist. She should get the same, like she dismembered a US soldier, like she's a terrorist. And she is. So she pled not guilty because she's a twat. But her bond was denied.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Good. And she has to stay in jail until her trial, which no date has been set for. The reason her bond got denied is because in a recorded conversation from the jail, she told someone that she was planning to leave the country and she had $5,000 that she was gonna leave the country with. And they're like, she didn't fucking think that they were, like, have you ever watched an episode of anything?
Starting point is 00:43:41 This is the same monster. I can't even call her like a woman or a human's monster, that was like, if I say we were in Belton, Texas and I looking at the stars, it'll place us there, but they won't ever suspect anything. That's like you just play your alibi is looking at the stars. Like at the fucking scene.
Starting point is 00:44:00 You're an idiot. So they were like, yeah, you're a flight risks and you literally just admitted that you were going to leave They're just like she's like they're like do you understand? And she's like she shakes her head no They just play the recording of her and I'm like I'm gonna leave the country. She's like yeah, sure Why not well the US attorney Mark Frazier said that she also deleted her Google account while she was in jail And then she called someone to ask the person to delete her Facebook page.
Starting point is 00:44:25 How did she delete her Google account while in jail? Who knows, but I'm also like, excuse me. I'm also like, what's on your Facebook? Also, they can get it. They can get it to Facebook if they want to. I can't wait to hear what comes out. Well, her husband, this was just an interesting note because I was like divorced.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Oh, honey. Oh, God. Her husband said she was becoming a more religious person recently. Yeah, I believe that's it. Don't they always? Well, and he said, quote, there was a time when she really wanted to know more about the relationship that I have with God, and she would just really draw in on that. Yeah, she really drew in on that when she took a machete and hacked up a US soldier
Starting point is 00:45:01 with the dude that she was having to fare with. I feel like God probably doesn't feel too good about that. I don't think she was getting religious, dude. No. I'm sorry. No. I think you are looking at this with rose-colored glasses and you need to just take them off real quick.
Starting point is 00:45:15 That's like when Son of Sam was like, I'm Son of Hope now. Yeah, I'm Son of Hope now. And it's like, no, too late, bro. You can't murder people and dismember them and then pretend that you're religious. You can't. I'm sorry. them and then pretend that you're religious. You can't.
Starting point is 00:45:26 I'm sorry. That's pretty sacrilegial, I'll say. Yeah, that's real sacrileg. I'm saying. So Vanessa's family has asked for a congressional investigation into the Fort Hood base because lots of shit is going down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another interesting note that ties back to the Fort Hood military base and that is making people be like,
Starting point is 00:45:47 whoa, is this connected? Is June 19th private in the 150th Composite Transportation Company, Gregory Morales? His remains were found lightly burned in a field in Kylie, Texas, less than 10 miles from Fort Hood. He had been missing and assumed A-Wall from Fort Hood from August 19th. When his remains were found, not far away from where Vanessa's was. And he was lightly burned.
Starting point is 00:46:14 Yep. Yeah. So when he was reported missing on the 20th of August, he was initially reported as A-Wall. They immediately were like, he's A-Wall. And- Because you can wrap that up in a neat little package. Well, later, when they couldn't find him, he was labeled as a deserter.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Nice. And me, like they put him on the list. So he was set to be discharged just days after he went missing. So that awful. To me, that doesn't say A-Wall or deserter. He was set to be discharged. Why would he desert days before he was going to be discharged? Nobody would do that. Like is anyone thinking with their brain? Yes. So his status was eventually changed from deserter to active duty after his remains were found. Good. This allows his family to bury him with full military honors. As he should be. But they
Starting point is 00:46:59 had to like fight for it, which is absolutely ridiculous. Yes. And the Army CID offered up a $25,000 reward for information about his death, but they didn't do it until after a reward was offered for Vanessa Gianne in her case. Because then they realized how they had to. His family had requested one to be offered in September 2019, a month after he went missing. They were asking for that reward money to be up, nothing got put up for him. They immediately assumed he just went AWOL and didn't even. That's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:47:29 His clothing was found shredded and scattered around the area. No suspects have been brought forth in connection with his death. And again, very close to where Vanessa was found. That's weird. And the people are like, yeah. And so people are like, what is this about?
Starting point is 00:47:44 Right. His family says the military didn't give them any updates searching for him. And in fact, they found his car in January 2020, never told the family. What? His sister-in-law had to dig and search and found out that the car had been sold at auction and Dallas. Family was like, why didn't you tell us that you found his car, but not him? That seems like something you would tell a family. That's something that's just hanging over to now, and I'm hoping that that family is gonna get some answers
Starting point is 00:48:16 because they deserve answers. Yeah, any family that loses their child or sibling or something like that. Yeah. So there was an increase in sexual assaults in the military reported sexual assaults of 3%. Wow. From the last time it was reported,
Starting point is 00:48:32 that doesn't bode well for like a good trend. If we're going up, it's not a good trend. It should be going down. And then I found this information on protect our defenders, which is a really good website to read about like sexual assaults in the military. And this includes, this information on protect our defenders, which is a really good website to Read about like sexual assaults in the military and this include this is men and women Right, and it's protect our defenders because it's trying to give information to Help the people who defend our country not feel you know unsafe while they're trying to protect our country because they're doing enough
Starting point is 00:49:02 Dangerous shit as they don't need be worrying about this on top of it. So on the website, it says the reports that are restricted where survivors confidentially disclose an assault without stating an official investigation saw 17% increase from last year with 2,126 reports. The increase shows a, quote, clear lack of faith in the chain of command. Protect our defenders, set in a statement about the report.
Starting point is 00:49:30 The organization supports and advocates for service members who have been sexually assaulted. So it does. It shows, because these are the people who went confidentially to report it, but didn't want to open any investigation. So they went just to be like, here it is, I know you're not gonna do anything about it,
Starting point is 00:49:47 so don't even bother. Right. And that does, it shows a clear lack of confidence. Obviously. There are like, nothing's gonna be done about this. Which is sad. How sad is that? Real sad.
Starting point is 00:49:58 So there has been a social media campaign going around called hashtag I am Vanessa Gian where service members, men and women can share their experiences with sexual assault in the military and what was done or not done about it. If you go on Twitter and type that in, you're going to see a ton of stories. And it's heart-wrenching. It can't imagine.
Starting point is 00:50:20 It can't imagine. Because when you just keep thinking about it, you're like, these people are like laying their lives on the line for the country. And now on top of the stress that that involves, which is unimaginable. I was gonna say. You're dealing with this whole other set of stressors
Starting point is 00:50:35 that it's like, it just shouldn't be a thing. With people that you think have the same common ground and goals as you. Respect and morals and ethics and they don't. And they don't. And they don't holy shit. So July 30th of this year, so soon, Vanessa Gaines family is introducing a bill called the I Am Vanessa Gaines bill and it would allow service members men and women to report sexual assaults to a third party entity
Starting point is 00:50:59 instead of having to bring it up their chain of command or go to their experience. Good, that's the whole thing that they need. You need an unbiased third party entity to sit there and look at it through nonbiased eyes. That's actually gonna investigate something. They need to look at both sides and see it for what it is. Not somebody who's totally invested in the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:51:20 Right, and there's probably potentially friends with your assalter. And July 30th, they are going to be doing like a peaceful protest in Washington where they're going to present the bill. They are going to pretend it to Trump. And I hope for the best. And I hope that he does the right thing. I hope it gets signed into law. And we'll see the family deserves it. and the military deserves it. Yeah, yeah, they do. Military members deserve to feel safe. They deserve to feel safe.
Starting point is 00:51:50 They deserve to know that people care about what's happening to them when they're not just on the front lines. So that is where we are now. If any more updates of this case come forward, we will certainly update with an update episode. But right now that is the case of Vanessa Gain. Damn. That was crazy.
Starting point is 00:52:11 My job. Thank you. And I hope that, you know, something positive comes out of this. I really do. I do too. And I hope we find out more about what was going on here, because there was a lot more. Well, I think we are going to find out more stories and Gregory Morales. I I wanna know more about his situation. Yeah, I want that family to be able to have some kind of... I have some kind of closure. Well, as always, you can follow us on Instagram at... morbidpodcast.
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Starting point is 00:52:51 to go look at the stars together even though you're not really actually looking at the stars and like the stars are stupid so it's just not, it's done by. The stars aren't stupid, I actually like them. So that I love stars. She can't ruin the stars for us. Now, bye.
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