Morbid - Episode 157: The Senseless Murder of Vanessa Guillen
Episode Date: July 19, 2020Specialist Vanessa Guillen went missing from Fort Hood Military Base on April 22, 2020. She was last seen at the armory and the last person she was seen working alongside was fellow soldier a...nd specialist Aaron Robinson. Weeks before her disappearance, she told those closest to her that she had been dealing with a fellow soldier, a sergeant, that was sexually harassing her and she was ready to report it. June 30, her dismembered, burned and mutilated remains were found crudely buried in quick cement/earth alongside the Leon River in Belton Texas. Robinson took his own life in an attempt to escape his crime but his girlfriend Cecily Aguilar confessed to her part in the brutal mutilation and disposal of the body of a US soldier. Details of the crime and the following weeks are confusing and suspicious. Is there a coverup? Regardless of the truth, this brings to light the broader issue of reporting sexual assault in the military and Vanessa's family is trying to make sure those that defend our country are safe to report these issues without fear of repercussions. See soldier's speaking out: #IamVanessaGuillen Thanks to our sponsors! Prose Prose is the healthy hair regimen with your name all over it. Take your FREE in-depth hair quiz and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/morbid. Pretty Litter Get the world’s smartest litter without leaving home by visiting PrettyLitter.com and use promo code MORBID for 20% off your first order. Luminary's Murder on the Tow Path Listen to Murder on The Towpath, only on Luminary. Go to Luminary.com/Towpath and get a 7-day free trial of Luminary’s Original podcasts. Cancel anytime. Terms apply. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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And this is morbid and this is going to be, this is a very important morbid.
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We're going to be covering Vanessa Gian today.
We are.
We're going to do it.
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The first one, I don't even know why I'm saying this.
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You're talking about like buildings.
What I was talking about was that when you go to Europe, you get to see buildings that are very old. That's what I thought you were talking about like buildings. What I was talking about was that when you go to Europe, you get to see buildings that are very old.
That's what I thought you were talking about.
And I was like, yeah, we don't have any cool
lost buildings here.
No.
Well, there's like a sprinkling.
I think majority of people understood
what I was saying there, but a few people got very angry
at me about it. Just to clarify.
So I just wanted to acknowledge that
that there was a whole history before,
Alexander Hamilton and all that mess.
Oh, okay.
You can stop now before you start like wrapping Hamilton in the beginning of this podcast.
Yes.
So I just wanted to point out that I know there was history before that.
I know into that history.
I was talking about buildings.
Buildings.
Just buildings.
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We're excited about it. And that's really all we had to touch upon so yeah, I think we want to
jump into the Vanessa G in case because
Wow, wow like I knew this case was very
That it was a lot of moving parts like I knew it was crazy
But I did not know all of the things.
And when I dove into it, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Yeah, in this case, it says bananas.
It's banana pancakes.
So we're gonna jump right into this talking about
Vanessa Gianne was one of six kids in her family.
She grew up in Houston.
She wanted to join the army, everyone in her family
and everyone who knew her says she wanted to join the army
since she was a little girl.
Like that was her thing.
Her mother Gloria Gianne said as young as 10 years old, she said she was going to enlist in the military.
Wow. What a badass.
I was going to say that.
Yes, but she was always ready to serve this country.
Like she was like, I want to fight for this country, I want to protect people, I want to be a hero.
Like she was all about a noble 10-year-old. Right. And you know what? And as soon as she finished high school at Cesar E.
Chavez High School in 2018, she enlisted immediately. So she was stuck true to her where she was
like we're doing the damn thing. Yeah, she was not all talk. She was stationed at Fort Hood in Texas.
She was a super active woman, loved going to the gym, loved playing soccer according to her family.
She was outgoing, she was funny.
Just, you know, she's what you see
in the pictures of her.
Right.
Basically, like she kind of like exudes who she was.
What you see is what you get.
Yeah.
She was in a relationship with a man named Juan Cruz
when she went missing.
Okay.
He was very active in asking for help finding her.
I just feel bad for
walls. That's really sad. I want to hug. For about three weeks before her disappearance,
she was acting strangely. Okay. This was according to her mother. It was according to her
sisters. The people who knew her best. They said like, you know, she wasn't sleeping right,
she wasn't eating enough, she was losing weight. She was just acting stressed
There was just something going on her mother was like, all right
I know you you got to tell me what's going on right and finally Vanessa confessed
You know, I'm feeling a little scared and a little like stressed out because I'm being sexually harassed at forthood
Oh, she said it was by a sergeant in particular And she didn't want to report it because she said,
one, they're not going to do anything about it.
Right.
And she said, I've talked to other women
and other people that this happened to.
Nothing's really gone on.
Or she said she was afraid to suffer repercussions.
Because her mother asked her, who is doing this?
Give me a name.
Vanessa didn't want to tell her because she was like,
I'll report it because she was like, I'll report it at some point.
I'm a little nervous to get the blow back, but I know I'm going to do it.
Well, and when you're dealing with like higher ups too, that's, I can't imagine.
Well, that's the problem.
That's the problem.
It's the chain of command thing where like, if it's a higher up, you're really in a bad spot.
Especially.
And so her mother was like, okay, why don't you tell me the name of this household and
I'll report him for you. Right okay, why don't you tell me the name of this household and all report him for you?
Right. So you don't have to.
But like mom and their vibes.
Yeah, like she was just like, you know what else, you know, it can be that you
Confined it in me and I chose to report it. Right. So it's not totally on you.
So she was like, you know what? She didn't tell her anybody the name, but she was like, I am going to make a decision to
report this. I'm thinking part of this too is just rape culture in general where unfortunately as
women, you immediately feel shame.
Oh, yeah.
It's just instilled in you.
Like you think one, you don't want to talk about it because it's like, you know,
like you just don't want to even relive it again.
And then when you do talk about it, you're like, but did I do something that like-
To make that happen.
It's just like in green.
When you did not at all.
Absolutely not.
It's totally like this awful thing
that's just ingrained in most of us that were like,
well, did I lead them to believe that they could do that?
You know what I mean?
If you're watching and guessing.
It's like if you're watching, I'll be gone in the dark.
They talk a lot about that.
And I'll be gone in the dark. And it's lot about that. And I'll be gone in the dark.
And it's like back then.
And even now, like they talk a lot about how back then
it was like that.
And I'm like, back then, even now,
people have that same view on right.
Absolutely.
So I'm sure there was just a whole lot of things
stopping her from immediately reporting it.
And a lot of, I mean, sexual assault rape
and sexual harassment is under-reported
in civilian life. Never mind in the military. So it's like, it's just a problem all over.
It's just a giant fucking issue.
Like it problem over the earth, basically. So one of the problems, like we were saying,
with sexual assault in the military because it is a problem. And it's a problem that is
now really coming to light with this case.
Which is good. Yeah, because, you know, it has to do with...
Good that it's coming to light.
It's superiors and, you know...
It's a male-dominated field.
They're investigating their own sexual assaults, too.
So, it's just this endless cycle of, sure, I'll report it.
But it's the same people that are gonna investigate it,
that are gonna back people up,
or they're not gonna wanna do,
so it's just, it's not smart, it's just not happening.
You have a horse in the race.
And what we're gonna exactly,
and what we're gonna see at the end of this,
I'll tell you is Vanessa Gheon's family and her lawyer,
her family's lawyers and friends,
and all these people, and people in Washington now,
are trying to get it so that a third party entity
is investigating these.
And it should always be like that.
And it should always be like that.
And just talking about sexual assault
in the military in particular, because that's
what we're talking about right now.
So there was a study released by the Defense Department.
And it was part of a congressionally mandated
yearly report from the Pentagon.
And it was about sexual assault.
In part of the study was that they did a focus group
and they talked to soldiers and they just talked to them,
you know, like how do you think that sexual assault training
is going?
Have you experienced it?
Tell me, basically just trying to get anonymous reports
of things.
And some of the things they heard from soldiers
are like, holy. wholly terrifying. Yeah. So somebody who's part of the focus
group, a female junior enlisted marine said, today I bent over to
get something. And I didn't know there was anybody behind me.
Ben to over to grab something really quick. And a sergeant is
behind me and said, Oh, don't tempt me.
Ew, what the fuck? What the who? Like don't tie your shoe in front of me? Like, okay, don't tempt me. Ew, what the fuck? Like what the, who the fuck do you want?
Like don't tie your shoe in front of me, like don't tempt me.
Like, the fucking turn around, bro.
How about get control of yourself?
How about you're not a wild animal?
Like are you kidding me, right?
Or it seems like you might be.
Yeah, it does seem like you might be.
But you're not, let me remind you.
It's disgusting.
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That must be horrifying.
Can you imagine hearing that?
No. Like, oh, cool.
What is happening now?
And just to be so blunt about that.
Yeah, and just to be like this is how it is
Yeah, so I mean, and obviously this is not you know
This is not all soldiers are all military. No, and that's not what we're saying
But it's a it's a big problem and this is just the facts of the matter. It's a big problem
The Gian family attorney Natalie Kowalm said she had a briefing in Washington. And this was while Vanessa was missing.
Okay.
And she said that they found at least two incidents
that she could point to a sexual harassment
against Vanessa.
She said allegedly a superior officer had once walked
in on Vanessa when she was showering,
literally sat down and watched her show.
What the fuck?
Yes.
And then a second time a fellow officer
was sexually assaulting her with sexually disgusting remarks
and he was doing it in Spanish.
And so like he was trying to,
and I'm assuming he was thinking like,
you know, some people aren't gonna hear what I'm saying.
Right.
And people who did this or the person who did this
was not named.
So we don't know, but those are two things that they said definitely happened.
She said she never, so she never reported her harasser, even though she had told her
mom, I'm going to do it.
She never got a chance to do it because she went missing shortly after this discussion
with her.
Because somebody probably found out that she was planning to.
Yes.
So according to officials on the base, she was last seen around 1pm April 22nd 2020. She was
wearing a black shirt, black Nike sneakers, and light purple like jogging pants, like workout pants.
She was last spotted in the parking lot of her regimental engineer squadron headquarters,
third calvery regiment at the Fort Hood military base. Okay. A search of the barracks where she had been in and working around that day, turned up her
ID, all of her key cards, like everything she would need to get in and out of anywhere.
He wasn't planning to go any more places.
Her wallet was still there.
Yeah.
She had just been promoted to specialist.
I mean, she was, I mean, she was definitely not planning on leaving.
Right. Like, this wasn't an A-wall situation.
Right.
And again, this immediately dispels any idea of that.
Because of course, soldiers do go away well sometimes.
So that is something that they think of immediately,
but this just wasn't the case here.
It wasn't here.
So June 21st, Fort Hood Deputy Commander Major General Scott
at Flandt or EFland
made a statement about Vanessa's disappearance and asked the public for help.
So he gave the information about her disappearance and said this is the last
time she was seen she seemingly just vanished. Right. And they said someone must
know something we just want to bring her home. Right. So they were just putting
out a plea to people to be like tell us what you know. The army initially offered up a
$15,000 reward for information. It was later raised to $25,000.
And then another $25,000 came from the League of United Latin American
citizens. Okay. It was a pretty big reward at the end.
At the press conference outside of Fort Hood on June 23rd,
Gloria Gianne, Vanessa's mother, said,
I want my daughter back alive.
I want her alive because she entered Fort Hood alive.
And if God forbid, my daughter turns up dead, shut down this base.
That girl is my life. I adore her.
That's why I'm fighting with nails and teeth
until they return her in the guilty pay.
Oh, I can't imagine being her mother.
That was on June 23rd.
On June 30th, Fort Hood officials said that they did find partial human remains.
They found it close to the Leon River in Belcowty, Texas.
After they discovered these remains, her sister, Vanessa's sister, Myra, told Time magazine,
I feel empty.
I feel like they took everything from me.
That's terrible.
So, what they claimed happened was, on April 22nd, she went, she did go to work at the
armory, at Fort Hood.
She was working there.
She was apparently like reading off serial numbers of weapons and doing that kind of thing in the armory
She was in there with army specialist Aaron Robinson who was one years old
He was a piece of shit and she noticed that there were photos on his phone now
This is what is told this is the story that's being told. Okay. I don't necessarily believe this story
I'm sure it has some missing pieces.
There's, she was definitely there.
She was working, she was working with Aaron Robinson.
This is all true.
This next part, I don't know if I don't think it's true.
So what is was told by one of the suspects later
was that she saw photos on his phone while she was there
of 22 year old Cecold Cessalie Agalar.
This was notable to her because Cessalie was married to a fellow former soldier.
And apparently that's like illegal.
Right, you get kicked out of the military.
Adultery is like super illegal.
So Vanessa was like, dude, that's gross. What the fuck?
And so he was like, you aren't going to get me in trouble and ruin my military career for this.
And that's when he lost it.
Okay.
I, and from what I've read,
a lot of other people don't agree.
Because it's like how did it escalate to the point where?
Yeah, like what?
Like there, like even the family lawyer, Natalie Kowam said,
she was like, yeah, she didn't just walk in there and look at her
phone and be like, oh look, you're committing adultery, burp burp burp.
Right. That's, no.
You don't just like look at somebody's phone so casually like that either and like the photos are just like
right there. They also claim that she didn't know Cessli Aguilar so she wouldn't have known that he was
she was married. Right. Like it just doesn't not it doesn't add up. It doesn't add up as the thing.
But what we do know is whatever it is that set this into motion,
he did grab the nearest thing to him, which was a hammer.
And he bludgeoned her to death with it inside of the armory.
Okay.
Blood would have gone everywhere.
Right.
Because he demolished her with that hammer.
That's powerful.
And I'll mention how bad it was in a little while,
and you'll see how this doesn't make sense.
So he bludgeoned this girl in the armory with a hammer.
The blood would have been, first of all,
the amount of blood on him would have been extraordinary.
There would have been an exceptionally insane amount
of blood on the ceiling because the castoff
would have been insane for what he was doing
because he also was beating her,
who bludgeoned Vanessa in her head and face.
And we all know that, please.
It would have been on everything.
There's no way.
Everything.
This would have hit everything that was around him.
That place would have been a fucking mud bath.
It would have taken so long to clean up.
It would have taken so many chemicals to clean up.
He would have been completely drenched.
So this did happen.
But the whole thing that I'm wondering is like,
who cleaned that up? Because-
Who did? Do we know?
As we're gonna see the time frame that they are claiming that he cleaned this up in.
It doesn't add up.
It simply is impossible. It just didn't happen.
So what are they saying?
Nothing.
They're just bullshit-ing. That's why everybody's like, whoa, whoa.
Now do you have a theory about what actually did happen? I'm not really sure. I have a
little bit of a theory, but honestly, it's very, it's so complicated that it's very confusing.
So there would have been blood everywhere. This did happen. He said, so he then put her
in a pelican case, which is like this really tough big like case.
It's called a Pelican case.
Okay.
And he kept that case in the armory, then apparently just went home to shower.
Just dipped in blood-covered clothing.
Went to the store to get all the things he will need to try to cover this up, like plastic
sheeting, lime, quick dry cement, shovels.
And then he contacts Cecilia Aguilar, his girlfriend, who he's having an affair with because she's
married to another soldier, because he was like, I need help.
Now he left that armory and he just went home.
Right.
Like, don't other people have access to the armory?
No one found this completely just nightmare that he left.
And also he left her in a pelican case in the armory for some time.
And no one questioned what?
Like what?
I'm just like at a loss in make any sense to me.
And when I wondered like okay, where are cameras here?
Right. Apparently there aren't a lot of cameras at Ford Hood
that are like surveillance cameras.
I wonder why.
Yeah, it's like, whoa.
And again, to clean this up, you would need a myriad of
hiding supplies.
He was spraying so much things.
And so she was last seen at the Armory.
They knew that.
When she went missing, they knew the, so she was last seen at the armory. They knew that. When they, when she went missing, they knew the last place
she was was working in that armory with Aaron Robinson.
Mm-hmm.
So who went and, who went and checked later,
what, like in this armory, who did someone look in there?
Did someone go back and be like, she was last here.
Maybe we should do some forensics in here.
Do you think this is where she looked?
And well, it's like, where's the blood?
Right.
If you guys just do some lumenol in there,
and I'm pretty sure that place would be a fucking Christmas tree.
It would be insane if you did that.
So who, did you go in there and just look in there and be like,
yeah, she's not in here.
So let's leave.
Like, you didn't think to swab, like you could probably just go to any old wall in there and be like, yeah, she's not in here. So let's leave. Like you didn't think to swab,
like you could probably just go to any old wall in there.
But they probably didn't put that effort in.
I mean, obviously they didn't.
It is unbelievable to me, unbelievable to me.
Like and then he walked out after he went and got the case,
people saw him dragging that case into his car.
And nobody was like, hey, what's that bro?
And no one was like, what's you doing?
Like it's a military base.
You should question what this dude is doing.
Right.
Like it seems weird to me.
And it's just so weird.
I'm like, just when I read this, I had no idea that this had occurred in the
armory, no, me either.
And that like, there was all this time that was just unaccounted for.
No, either. And that, like, there was all this time
that was just unaccounted for.
So apparently they were claiming that
sometime in the span of 43 minutes
is when he cleaned that armory.
No. They're claiming that's the amount of time
they had. That would take hours and hours and hours.
These hours and hours,
maybe multiple people. Like a day, like a full-ass day.
And in order to get it cleaned to the point
where you weren't gonna, you wouldn't be able to.
No.
They were always gonna be able to find something if they look.
But they didn't look, so that's a problem.
So specifically, the family's lawyer pointed out
that this was not her looking at the phone and saying,
oh, look, it's that girl that's married
to that random former soldier I'm gonna report you.
No. She didn't even want to report her
Sexual assault that was going on why she gonna fucking report you, but I think this is her saying
I'm gonna report you you can't do this to me anymore, right because I think that Aaron Robinson was sexually assaulting her or harassing her
And she was like I'm gonna report you right he was like no, you're not in this
I'm gonna kill you because if you think about it of course
Of course he's gonna call because later Cecilie is claiming that he called her and said you know
She was gonna report our our fair our love
You know like he was like I wasn't gonna let her take down our like it was this big like
Oh god fuck off, but in reality he didn't want to call his girlfriend and say I've been sexually harassing this girl
and she was gonna report me.
Right, done.
Come on.
Ugh. So, Cecilie is a straight up... Can we say?
Mmm, she's...
I don't need it, there's not a word for her.
What is so true?
Okay, keep going, keep going.
Cecilie's, I mean, Erin Robinson and Cecilie
deserve each other.
Did they clear up together?
Did Chico end up helping them?
Oh, yeah.
And she's, I mean, they are both the most evil humans.
Oh my God.
I can imagine. The fact, oh, it just makes me angry.
So, it's just so frustrating.
So after Aaron Robinson bludgeoned Vanessa G. into death,
went home, did his thing, got his, went to the store,
got all things seen.
That's when he called Cessli Aguilar.
Oh, and he told her he struck a female soldier
in the head with a hammer multiple times
in that he had killed her.
That's when he told Cessli.
Cessli was like, okay.
So she was like, cool, cool, cool.
So he brought her body in the Pelican case
to the Leon River in Belton, Texas.
Somewhere between the hours of midnight
and about 4am is when this all happened.
Okay.
So Cessli came with him him because Cecilie was like,
gotcha, I'm here.
Let's do it.
Okay.
They tried to light Vanessa on fire.
Oh my God.
But it wasn't working.
So, they took a machete and both of them dismembered her together.
And like the other...
Hi.
Where did you try to set her on fire on the military base that nobody saw you?
Oh, no, this was off base Oh no, this was off base.
Oh, this was off base. This was near the Leon River.
So Agilar, according to court documents, said that they both used a machete type knife to
quote, remove the limbs and the head from the body. They then buried her body parts in three
different locations, and then later they tried to cover it up by using quick,
dry cement to create a vault around all the pieces,
and bury it with lime and such.
What the fuck?
They then both threw the machete, the hammer,
and her phone out the windows as they drove.
Now, while all this horrific stuff is happening
to Phorvena Sigeon's body. After her horrific murder,
her sister, Myra, had arrived at Fort Hood to look for her.
Oh my God.
And so, and she's being turned away.
Wow, this is, while her body is being dismembered.
And at one point during the investigation,
her sister actually spoke to Aaron Robinson on the base,
and he was pretty uncaring about Venice's disappearance.
Oh, I'm shocked.
Yeah.
This was after he admired her.
Of course.
He was just kind of like whatever, like brushed it off.
Yeah, you're fucking great A.D.
Absolutely.
And a piece of shit.
So Agalar told investigators that they actually went back
to the place where they had buried Vanessa
on April 26th.
So a few days after they killed it, she'd, well,
Aaron had killed her.
She and Robinson said they again tried to burn the body parts.
And then they took hair nets and gloves
and they were wearing those while they were doing
this whole thing.
And then they burned those.
And then they said they burned their clothes
that they had been wearing.
So they took multiple days, multiple attempts
to cover this up.
I mean, it was a full blown.
To me, this feels premeditated.
Yeah, it does.
And I feel like, as we're gonna learn in a second,
she wasn't supposed to be at the armory that day.
Oh.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So investigators started talking to Robinson April 28th.
So two days after they had gone back to the site to try to burn everything a bit more, because
now they're like, wait a second.
Like all of a sudden they're like, you were at the armor with her the last time she
was seen alive.
We got to talk to you.
And apparently you were the only two there.
Exactly.
So he's like, he denies everything and he's like,
nope, I was with Cecilia Agalar and she'll back it up.
So he's like, I wasn't at the armory.
Yeah, well, he was like, during the time,
I went there, I did my thing and then I went home
and she can tell you everything
that I was home all night after I worked.
So Agalar did start like confessing to everything later, but at first
she was giving him an alibi for that night. So she said, you know, she came to her,
he came to her home, which is like off base. They were together all night, and then
she later said, actually, no, worse her husband. Oh, freaking no, I don't even know. But
so I think they're like a strange slaley.
Okay.
So they're probably not living together.
Sure.
Who really cares, she's the worst.
So she later changed that story and she was like,
no, actually, he didn't just come to my house
and we sat there all night.
We met up in Belton, Texas, which is where the Leon River is.
And she said that they were just,
they went there to a quote, look at the stars.
Yeah, literally, okay Romeo and Juliet,
you go fuck yourselves.
You're an evil twat.
Yeah.
On the night that you know you were out there
dismembering the body of a US soldier
you want to claim that you just went for a stroll
in the park.
You're just sitting there and say you were looking at the stars.
Like you're an innocent with your boyfriend who you're having
an affair with who sexually harassed the woman soldier
that you helped hack up.
Yeah, that's really what the unsettling are you two made of
like the two of them I'm like holy shit.
That doesn't make how do, how are you that evil?
Talk about like poured from the same mold.
And how do you lie like that?
Unbelievable.
Well, without cracking.
On May 18th, witnesses finally came forward and said,
they saw Robinson carrying that, it's called
the tough box to that pelican.
Sure, sure, sure.
To his car.
And they said it looked crazy heavy.
He was struggling.
Through in his car drove away,
and that was on April 22nd in the evening.
So they were like, yeah, we saw him.
He consented to a search of his phone records at that point.
And they saw that he was talking to Cessily Agalar
a ton that night, calling her constantly.
They were talking the whole night,
which makes it unlikely that they were together at home.
So Agalar was interrogated June 19th
and she was like,
I don't really know when they asked her,
like, why would he be calling you
when you were together at home?
Right, he was calling you to get you out there.
Right, that's what he was doing.
So they checked their locations on both of their phones
because now they're like, yeah, you're done.
They're like, way says that you were not at home.
Well, the Leon River is in Belton, Texas,
where she said they were looking at the stars.
So I think in her dumb little mind,
she was like, well, place us.
Oh, it'll put us there,
and I can pretend that we were just looking at stars.
But we're just doing something cute and unassuming.
Meanwhile, you're an idiot,
and you just placed yourself there.
Yeah, that was really dumb.
The phone search showed that both of their phones were in Belton together. April 22nd, April 23rd, and April 26th. So in the evening
of April 22nd, that's when they initially brought her to after he she was murdered. They
brought her there. Yeah. It bled into the 26th. So then they found that Robins, so they did a recorded phone call on June 30th.
They tapped the phone between Agalar and Robinson.
They found, and he said to her, quote, baby, they found pieces.
They found pieces.
And that was when they investigators had discovered human remains.
Uh-huh.
He then sent her text messages, and then he said, quote, baby, they found pieces. They found pieces. And that was when they investigators had discovered human remains.
Uh-huh.
He then sent her text messages of news articles and photos detailing that human remains were found.
Okay.
So they were like, yeah, that's pretty suspicious.
Uh, apparently, this is crazy.
Apparently, they had searched the area that she was found in on June 21st,
and they found remains of a burnt tough box in like a burn pile.
And they also found disturbed earth, and they smelled the smell of decomp,
but they didn't find human remains, so they just were like, well, that's that.
Cool!
And Tim Miller from the Texas Equalurch said to Nancy Grace on her podcast that when they
discovered the burn pile in the like burnt Pelican case that the CID, which is the US Army's
criminal investigation division, who is out there searching with equicurch, they said
they were like, yeah, I don't think that's relevant to the case.
Oh, I don't think that burned box is relevant.
Like, so wait.
And that smell of human-dean comp, I don't think it has anything to do with that murder that happened.
And he said they had to push them to even consider it.
And one of the acquisarch people had to Google an image of the pelican case, what it would look like,
to show him that it was the case they used.
Right.
And only then...
They knew that, though. Only then did they used. Right. And only then. Yeah, they knew that though.
Only then did they agree to go out and search again.
And this is after it had already been reported
that Robinson, a prime suspect,
was seen leaving the armory the night Vanessa
disappeared with a Pelican case.
Right.
I don't know why they thought it was just going to go away,
but they did.
And they were like, no, we don't need to come back here.
Like you can sit there after being told that
People saw him bringing a pelican case out of the armor
He didn't care about scene and it was heavy and he was struggling and now he's acting like a creep and you're finding all this shit
And then you find a burnt fucking pelican case what in
Belton near the Leon river where phones were paying. I think it's just a coincidence
You're looking at this burn pile and going that's probably not relevant to the case. Are you fucking kidding me? No because they didn't want to have to deal with this
That's what it comes down to I was re I was reading this and I'm like that's the shitty truth of this case is that
They didn't want to deal with this they wanted to just move on from it and they were just gonna be like well
We don't know what happened was Why was this fuck being protected?
And it's like, you know what?
Well, Vanessa was one of your own.
Right.
What are you doing for?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck?
What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? What's the fuck? That's the thing. So, when US Marshals, the police and the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force confronted Robinson
about all this because they were like, hey, what's up?
We found human remains, we found the Pelican case, we found all these phone records,
we have all these shitting and stew.
They're sending a lot of text.
They were like, we'd like to give you a polygraph,
and he was like, no, so he refused to polygraph.
Good.
That always looks good.
Somehow escaped the base on foot before they could arrest him,
wearing only a pair of shorts.
And it's just insane.
Where did you think you were going to go, dude?
And according to the Fort Hood public statement,
they said, quote, while law enforcement agencies
minus Army CID special agents
attempted to make contact with the suspect,
the suspect reportedly displayed a weapon
and took his own life.
So the incident took place in Kylie, Texas,
where Fort Hood is located.
He basically got a gun, fled,
and when they tried to confront him,
he put it to his head and shot himself.
So it's so funny to me.
I'm like, wow.
So you were, you're, you've got enough balls to bludgeon a fellow soldier to death in an
armory.
And then put her in a pelican case, take her out into the mill and know where.
Grab your girlfriend who is cheating on her husband with you and have her help you
hack her into pieces with a machete.
Poor quick, dry cement over her, poor the machete and the hammer.
Try to burn her at one point.
And poor phone out your windows, but you are too much of a little tiny baby to deal with
the fucking repercussions of your actions.
Yes.
Wow.
Like, wow.
I'm not shocked.
And that makes me think I'm like, you know what?
If he had lived and they had been able to arrest him
and do an actual investigation,
the shit that would have come out.
Because I think that there was a lot more.
A lot would have spilled out.
And I'm sure a lot more is still going to come out
of people that maybe just don't feel safe. I know that dude is was a dangerous
person. And I'm sure there's a lot more that came out about that.
And was he 20? Did you say 20 years old? 20 years old. And you're that fucking fucking evil.
How? Well, Vanessa Gaines phone records said that her last outgoing text message was to Robinson's phone.
Okay.
According to, and so she, what it was was she had been working that day obviously in the
armory, but she wasn't meant to work that day.
She got called in.
Nobody can say who called her in.
Was it Robinson, that text to her?
I think it must have been Robinson.
They're saying it wasn't.
Of course they are.
But I don't believe that. I don't believe anything they have to say.
And there's been like weird stories that have changed.
Like the witnesses who first saw her in the parking lot,
first said 1 p.m. then switched it to 11 a.m.
And so, and then again, she was called into work that day.
No one's saying who will do it.
It was her day off.
It's sketchy.
It was a Robinson who the fuck pulled her in off. It was her day off. It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off.
It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. It was her day off. the whole thing set up for. Probably. We don't know. I mean, anything's possible at this.
It sounds nuts to even say that, but it's like, is it nuts? No, and the more you dig into where this happened, the more shit that comes out. And it's, I mean, it's just like, they took a machete in the
middle of the night and burned her body. God, I do just have a machete also, like, nothing is out of
the realm of possibility here. Now, I said before that
I was going to mention how badly he bludgeoned her. Her face was beaten so badly that they
couldn't piece her face back together. That's horrific. And they could not use dental
records to identify her because her teeth were shattered. Oh my god. They had to use pieces
of hair and positively identified her through DNA analysis on July 5th.
That's horrific. That's the only way that they could find her. Also, her mother doesn't know the
details of what happened to her. She refuses to listen to anything she wants. I don't blame her.
I would never want to know anything. I don't blame her either.
Major General Scott Eifflyn, I think it is, deputed commander of three core at Fort Hood.
He said at a press conference
that quote, the criminal investigation has not found any connection between sexual harassment
and Vanessa's disappearance. Sure, by shocking. And senior special agent Damon Phelps has said
that they looked at the interactions between Robinson and Vanessa. They looked at all the evidence
that they could find and they found no evidence of sexual harassment.
Yeah.
First of all, the fact that they are investigating their own shit is unreal.
Like, that's so biased, it's not even funny.
And then, of course, you're not going to find any evidence of sexual harassment.
Do you think he was going around doing it in front of people who he knew would talk?
No.
Or he was doing it in front of nobody, he was doing it in private.
And of course you're not gonna find it
because you're the one that went out to the crime scene
and saw burnt evidence and was like,
I don't think that has to do with it.
I don't think that's relevant.
You're probably not looking super hard.
Come on, fellas.
Like you're telling me you can't find evidence
of sexual harassment?
People?
Of course you can.
This is that people like this need to think
of like their moms,
or if they have a daughter, think of your daughter,
or your sister.
It's like, why don't you move on?
What if this happened to you in your family?
Yeah, that's the thing.
How about that?
Well, luckily, Cecili Aguilar, the living suspect,
is charged with three counts of conspiracy
to tamper with evidence.
And when a judge asked her, I have never wanted to punch someone so hard in my life.
When the judge asked her,
if she understood the charges against her,
first she shook her head now.
What, what don't you understand?
You don't understand what you did.
And also speak up.
You don't have a soul.
Oh no, and then eventually she said,
yeah, sure.
Yeah, sure.
Oh.
Just a muck. She just doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, sure. Oh, just a look.
She just doesn't give a fuck.
Yeah, sure.
You dismembered a human body.
She's an evil piece of shit.
Yeah, that's disgusting.
Well, she faces up to 20 years in prison.
That's $250,000 fine, which it's like she should get a lot more than that.
She dismembered a body multiple days in a row.
And the family's lawyer, Natalie Kauauam has said like she's a terrorist.
She should get the same, like she dismembered a US soldier, like she's a terrorist.
And she is. So she pled not guilty because she's a twat. But her bond was denied.
Good. And she has to stay in jail until her trial, which no date has been set for.
The reason her bond got denied
is because in a recorded conversation from the jail,
she told someone that she was planning to leave the country
and she had $5,000 that she was gonna leave the country with.
And they're like,
she didn't fucking think that they were,
like, have you ever watched an episode of anything?
This is the same monster.
I can't even call her like a woman or a human's monster,
that was like, if I say we were in Belton, Texas
and I looking at the stars, it'll place us there,
but they won't ever suspect anything.
That's like you just play your alibi
is looking at the stars.
Like at the fucking scene.
You're an idiot.
So they were like, yeah, you're a flight risks
and you literally just admitted that you were going to leave
They're just like she's like they're like do you understand? And she's like she shakes her head no
They just play the recording of her and I'm like I'm gonna leave the country. She's like yeah, sure
Why not well the US attorney
Mark Frazier said that she also deleted her Google account while she was in jail
And then she called someone to ask the person to delete her Facebook page.
How did she delete her Google account while in jail?
Who knows, but I'm also like, excuse me.
I'm also like, what's on your Facebook?
Also, they can get it.
They can get it to Facebook if they want to.
I can't wait to hear what comes out.
Well, her husband, this was just an interesting note
because I was like divorced.
Oh, honey.
Oh, God.
Her husband said she was becoming a more religious person recently.
Yeah, I believe that's it.
Don't they always?
Well, and he said, quote, there was a time when she really wanted to know more about the
relationship that I have with God, and she would just really draw in on that.
Yeah, she really drew in on that when she took a machete and hacked up a US soldier
with the dude that she was having to fare with.
I feel like God probably doesn't feel too good about that.
I don't think she was getting religious, dude.
No.
I'm sorry.
No.
I think you are looking at this with rose-colored glasses
and you need to just take them off real quick.
That's like when Son of Sam was like,
I'm Son of Hope now.
Yeah, I'm Son of Hope now.
And it's like, no, too late, bro.
You can't murder people and dismember them
and then pretend that you're religious.
You can't. I'm sorry. them and then pretend that you're religious.
You can't.
I'm sorry.
That's pretty sacrilegial, I'll say.
Yeah, that's real sacrileg.
I'm saying.
So Vanessa's family has asked for a congressional investigation into the Fort Hood base because
lots of shit is going down there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Another interesting note that ties back to the Fort Hood military base and that is making people be like,
whoa, is this connected?
Is June 19th private in the 150th Composite Transportation Company, Gregory Morales?
His remains were found lightly burned in a field in Kylie, Texas, less than 10 miles from Fort Hood.
He had been missing and assumed A-Wall from Fort Hood
from August 19th.
When his remains were found,
not far away from where Vanessa's was.
And he was lightly burned.
Yep.
Yeah.
So when he was reported missing on the 20th of August,
he was initially reported as A-Wall.
They immediately were like, he's A-Wall.
And-
Because you can wrap that up in a neat little package.
Well, later, when they couldn't find him, he was labeled as a deserter.
Nice.
And me, like they put him on the list. So he was set to be discharged just days after he
went missing.
So that awful.
To me, that doesn't say A-Wall or deserter. He was set to be discharged. Why would he
desert days before he was going to be discharged? Nobody would do that. Like is anyone thinking with their brain? Yes.
So his status was eventually changed from deserter to active duty after his remains were found.
Good. This allows his family to bury him with full military honors. As he should be. But they
had to like fight for it, which is absolutely ridiculous. Yes. And the Army CID offered up a $25,000 reward for information about his death, but they didn't
do it until after a reward was offered for Vanessa Gianne in her case.
Because then they realized how they had to.
His family had requested one to be offered in September 2019, a month after he went missing.
They were asking for that reward money to be up, nothing got put up for him.
They immediately assumed he just went AWOL
and didn't even.
That's ridiculous.
His clothing was found shredded
and scattered around the area.
No suspects have been brought forth in connection
with his death.
And again, very close to where Vanessa was found.
That's weird.
And the people are like, yeah.
And so people are like, what is this about?
Right. His family says the military didn't give them any updates searching for him.
And in fact, they found his car in January 2020, never told the family.
What? His sister-in-law had to dig and search and found out that the car had been sold at auction
and Dallas. Family was like, why didn't you tell us
that you found his car, but not him?
That seems like something you would tell a family.
That's something that's just hanging over to now,
and I'm hoping that that family is gonna get some answers
because they deserve answers.
Yeah, any family that loses their child
or sibling or something like that.
Yeah.
So there was an increase in sexual assaults
in the military reported sexual assaults of 3%.
Wow.
From the last time it was reported,
that doesn't bode well for like a good trend.
If we're going up, it's not a good trend.
It should be going down.
And then I found this information on protect our defenders,
which is a really good website to read about like sexual assaults in the military. And this includes, this information on protect our defenders, which is a really good website to
Read about like sexual assaults in the military and this include this is men and women
Right, and it's protect our defenders because it's trying to give information to
Help the people who defend our country not feel you know unsafe while they're trying to protect our country because they're doing enough
Dangerous shit as they don't need be worrying about this on top of it.
So on the website, it says the reports that are restricted where survivors confidentially
disclose an assault without stating an official investigation saw 17% increase from last
year with 2,126 reports.
The increase shows a, quote, clear lack of faith
in the chain of command.
Protect our defenders, set in a statement
about the report.
The organization supports and advocates
for service members who have been sexually assaulted.
So it does.
It shows, because these are the people
who went confidentially to report it,
but didn't want to open any investigation.
So they went just to be like, here it is,
I know you're not gonna do anything about it,
so don't even bother.
Right.
And that does, it shows a clear lack of confidence.
Obviously.
There are like, nothing's gonna be done about this.
Which is sad.
How sad is that?
Real sad.
So there has been a social media campaign
going around called hashtag I am Vanessa Gian
where service members, men
and women can share their experiences with sexual assault in the military and what was
done or not done about it.
If you go on Twitter and type that in, you're going to see a ton of stories.
And it's heart-wrenching.
It can't imagine.
It can't imagine.
Because when you just keep thinking about it, you're like, these people are like laying
their lives
on the line for the country.
And now on top of the stress that that involves,
which is unimaginable.
I was gonna say.
You're dealing with this whole other set of stressors
that it's like, it just shouldn't be a thing.
With people that you think have the same common
ground and goals as you.
Respect and morals and ethics and they don't.
And they don't. And they don't holy shit.
So July 30th of this year, so soon,
Vanessa Gaines family is introducing a bill called the I Am Vanessa Gaines bill
and it would allow service members men and women to report sexual assaults to a third party entity
instead of having to bring it up their chain of command or go to their experience.
Good, that's the whole thing that they need.
You need an unbiased third party entity
to sit there and look at it through nonbiased eyes.
That's actually gonna investigate something.
They need to look at both sides
and see it for what it is.
Not somebody who's totally invested in the whole thing.
Right, and there's probably potentially friends
with your assalter. And July 30th, they are going to be doing like a peaceful protest in Washington
where they're going to present the bill. They are going to pretend it to Trump. And I hope for
the best. And I hope that he does the right thing. I hope it gets signed into law. And we'll see
the family deserves it. and the military deserves it.
Yeah, yeah, they do.
Military members deserve to feel safe.
They deserve to feel safe.
They deserve to know that people care
about what's happening to them
when they're not just on the front lines.
So that is where we are now.
If any more updates of this case come forward,
we will certainly update with an update episode.
But right now that is the case of Vanessa Gain.
Damn. That was crazy.
My job. Thank you. And I hope that, you know, something positive comes out of
this. I really do. I do too. And I hope we find out more about what was going
on here, because there was a lot more. Well, I think we are going to find out
more stories and Gregory Morales. I I wanna know more about his situation.
Yeah, I want that family to be able to have some kind of...
I have some kind of closure.
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We're, but not somewhere that you're a jackass
and you laid somebody's body on fire
and then you call your girlfriend
to go look at the stars together
even though you're not really actually looking at the stars
and like the stars are stupid
so it's just not, it's done by.
The stars aren't stupid, I actually like them.
So that I love stars.
She can't ruin the stars for us.
Now, bye.
The stars for us. No. Bye.
The stars are going to end.
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