Morbid - Episode 158: The Ireland Vanishing Triangle Part 2

Episode Date: July 23, 2020

We finish up this spooky and mysterious case of at least 6 (definitely more) young women disappearing in an 80 mile radius in Ireland, with the disappearance of Ciara Breen, Fiona Sinnott and Deirdre Jacob. Two of these cases may have obvious answers and in this episode, we bring in a shady character who may have a lot to do with the other missing women. Larry Murphy is one of the most notorious rapists in Ireland and now, in 2020, authorities are about to close the net on him. Check out Crime Countdown on Spotify! Thanks to our sponsors! First Leaf Sign up today to get 6 bottles of wine for only $29.95, plus free shipping for a year! Just go to TryFirstleaf.com/MORBID. Daily Harvest Keep it simple this summer with Daily Harvest! Go to DailyHarvest.com and enter promo code MORBID to get twenty-five dollars off your first box!  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That sounded scripted as fuck. Guys, next week. Good luck. And that was our podcast. That's it. No. We are finally doing part two of the Ireland vanishing triangle. Oh, and G.

I went in like a big search about this because I couldn't wait for part two. So it really, it's sectioned. But I'm sure you're gonna tell me things I didn't find. There's even more stuff with this that we, I swear, we could go on like a week long tirade about all of it. Honestly. The little like offshoots of this and everything,

but I think I've narrowed it down to the important things that I feel like I wanted to cover. Yeah. But before we jump right into it, we just wanted to say we're excited for the virtual live show tomorrow. Yeah, you can't wait to see you guys in our brains. In our brains. In our brains, actually, in our eyeballs.

Well, and meet the people who got the meaty tickets. Yeah, so we're excited to do that. And, you know, hopefully we'll be able to do more of these while we wait for the world to reopen. We do want to do more. And we are also going to try to do some, I think, that are going to accommodate our international weirdos. So we're going to try to do some that will be at different, because you know what, if I have to wake up at like seven in the morning and do a live show just to make it so that

you guys can actually see it at a decent time. I'll do it. That's fine with me. I'm fine. Because you guys rule. And so we're definitely going to do that. We'll be figuring it out as we go. But if you didn't get to grab tickets this time, hopefully there'll be more opportunities.

Hopefully it's going to be interesting. We do. We do this whole thing out. So if this theme goes well, we're gonna have to use it again. Yeah, we'll have fun again and again and again. It's gonna be interesting too. It's basically just gonna be like doing our podcast,

how we normally do it, just talking to each other. I know, I'm like, I'm gonna need to remember to like look into the computer and not just directly at you. It's definitely gonna be a little strange, but I think we'll be able to, we'll be able to kind of picture

that everybody's watching. I'm also super excited to be back at AS220. I'm very excited, because I love AS220. Yes. It's gonna, I'm gonna miss like the crowd noise and like the excitement. And just like the excitement. The energy that you get from it,

but you know what, it's gonna make us excited for it to come back. Annie's gonna be in the audience, and I was like, I'm gonna need you to just be like, woo! Give our crowd. Give us crowd noise. I was like, we should make you have like a laugh track

to do something, so that the other day should just be like, ha ha ha ha. So yeah, we're excited about that. The other thing I just wanted to mention in like corrections, you know, our little correction segment segment here is I know it's killing Texas from the Vanessa Gien case. I'm just confused about why you don't pronounce everything correctly. Yeah, I finally to the point where I don't care. So at this point I'm gonna give it my best shot if I don't do it right.

But I think I'm gonna small town murder this and just go. Well, and do you know why? Here's the thing. I'm gonna lay it all out for you. I try to, and you try to. Sometimes we pause the episode and we like listen to the little pronunciation lady on Google. Guess what, everybody?

Sometimes she's wrong. Even she is wrong sometimes. And then she's out here making me look like a fucking idiot. She is. So thanks a lot, pronunciation lady on Google. So you know what, we try our best. Even she is wrong sometimes. And then she's out here making me look like a fucking idiot. She is. So thanks a lot, pronunciation video. God dammit. So you know what, we try our best.

But you know what, with this one, I will say, when I had typed it into my notes, I didn't put the second L in killing. Oh, I'd have corrected. So it was spelled like almost like, I lean. So like how you would pronounce that. So I pronounced it, Kylie Kylie because in my mind,

it made sense. I'm sorry, Killing Texas. We still like please forgive me, I suppose. At least people are a lot nicer about that. People have been very nice. I mean, we had a couple. One other place. We won't talk about that other place.

That place that must not be named. I have officially taken my favorite uh, my favorite murder. Uh, a small town murder. Stance on it. I'm gonna do my best with town names. If I fuck it up, I fuck it up. Don't at me. The end.

Just kidding. People are like, wow. Ha ha ha. The end. So, yeah, so, Kylie or killing. Goxie him it. I know. See, it's in my head. Killing Texas. I my head, killing Texas.

I'm sorry, killing Texas. And then the, is there more? The other thing, this isn't correction, but I just wanted to say that we got so many messages from like military members, military spouses, like family members, friends of military people. You've all been so sweet and like helped us understand some things better about the armory

Because we had a few like Marines and army people that will tell us army people That's so nice. That's so civilian of me. I'm like army people. It's okay. I won said marine corpse like an idiot Sure did so I'm really sorry everyone They've just wanted to say thank you to everybody who's been reaching out and letting us know that in their experience, there is only one person allowed in the armory at a time. And it's like a sign-in, sign-out kind of thing. Yeah, and that like, some of these things made sense. We had a couple people tell us, you know, it might not have been weird to see him like lugging that pelican case around.

And if he was covered in stuff, people might not question it because there's so many different jobs around that you could get dirty with things. So it made sense. I appreciate everybody reaching out, and that's why we, that's the kind of thing we love. We love when people will be like,

hey, let me tell you about my experience with this. And it's like, cool, let's have a combo. Yeah, I love it. So I just want to say thank you to all those military members and military adjacent people who were so sweet and reached out and made us learn some stuff. So thanks for that. Thank you. You guys rule. I think that's really all the business. Yeah, I literally have nothing else.

Yeah, listen to Crime Countdown. It's awesome. I love that show. So, for the bit. Yeah, it's really great. I don't know about it. So let's start with the Ireland Vanishing Triangle part two. Okay. Okay. So we covered the first three disappearances in the triangle.

We are coming up on a young girl, 17 years old, named Chiara Brin. So she's the youngest thus far. She's the youngest thus far. I think we also touched upon Larry Murphy, the savage rapist in pedophile. Yes, that was trolling around at this area. We're gonna really talk about him at the end of this. It was just like a quick dab.

Yeah, we were just like, by the way, Larry. Yes, literally. So, Larry. Just little trigger warning. We're going to talk about a case with him, and it's rape is involved. He is a savage beast. I just want to let everybody know that is going to be part of this, so just be aware. Okay.

So, Kiarbreen was 17 years old, and she was last seen February 13th, 1997, in her bedroom. In her bedroom? Yes. Oh, just like the last thing I noticed. The last thing I noticed. Her mother went to check on her at 1 a.m. and she was not there. That's a fucking nightmare. Yeah.

Gone without a trace. So her mother, Bernadette, noticed the window in the living room was slightly open. Oh, no. So she assumed that she had snuck out to meet with friends in the middle of the night because Chiara was 17. And I had also briefly run away once with a girlfriend in 1995 when she was like 15. Oh no.

There was a whole to do about it, like police searching everything involved when she did that in 1995, but she ended up showing up a couple days later and it was just teen angsty things. Yeah. So according to Missing presumed by Alan Bailey, which is a great book and everybody should read it,

after that incident, she seemed to have actually gotten it out of her system. It was kind of chilled out a lot. Good. It was almost like the tipping point where she did that. And then she was like, whoa, I'm sorry. Like, I'm not going to be. We've all had that.

Yeah. As teens. So her mom waited up all night for her to come home because she was like, I'm sure she's going to crawl back in here and I can nail her and we're going to get her in trouble. But she never actually did. That's awful. So 9 a.m. came around and still no sign of her. But Bernadette had actually had a doctor's appointment where she was going that morning

and she went and found out that she was diagnosed with cancer. That morning? Yes. Still morning? Yes. Still no Chiara, so the guard eye was contacted. OK. Now, this was a big deal that there was a missing child, obviously, from their bed, because obvious reasons. Yeah.

But also, because at the time, there happened to be a group of pedophiles that were roaming around the area of Dundalk where they lived. And they had been trying to lure children and teens into like sex trafficking situations. Oh shit. Yeah. One of these perverts was a woman who was recruiting young teens into sex work. And apparently, guard eye had been investigating and had evidence that Kiar's group of friends had actually been targeted before. Oh no. Because she had a big group of friends, you know, they went out to like little, you know,

dining places and stuff. And these like groups of pedophiles were like, stand in the periphery and just like watch them. What the fuck? Yeah. That's so ear, isn't that horrifying? Also, that just reminded me of Gilein.

Gilein. Ugh. May she get what's coming there? So a few things stuck out when they went over this whole thing. So she had run away before, but this time it just didn't make sense. He knew her mother had a doctor's appointment that morning, and she knew it could end up being like a serious diagnosis. She was very aware of it.

They had actually had like a nice night together the evening before they went dinner out together. It was like to take her mom's mind off of things. Yeah. They went home and they watched a movie together. Like it was supposed to be like a... A good night down. Yeah.

So she wouldn't have left her mom to face that alone. No, she just wouldn't have done it. Also, she was supposed to meet her birth father for the first time in her entire life in the following days. Oh, wow. And she also... She also lot of time to think. Yeah. What makes a person a murderer?

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Hey there, fellow podcast listener, it's Elena. And Ash, and we're taking you back to the days before streaming services. Whoa. You know, when you would come home from high school, and it was only a few hours until that TV show, everyone was watching was about to come on. Well, in 1999, that show was Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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Like she was coming back. So it looked like she dropped it when she left through the window. Oh, okay. There was no sign of forced entry, no struggle anywhere. Initially, the initial investigators on the case spoke to her friends and family, close associates of hers, obviously.

They all gave statements, said, and they were like, you know, she has snuck out before, that's been a thing, like we all done it. Is this this happening again? And then they were like, you know, had has snuck out before that's been a thing. Like we all done it. Is this this happening again? And then they were like, you know, had you seen her with anyone? Was she talking to anyone in the days leading up to this? Nothing really came from this, but then, but then two years later, when Trace, the task force that had been created,

Yes, yes, yes. was established, they came into the picture and they really started honing in on going back over these interviews and like using a fine-tooth comb to look through them. And they were like, this is a close group, there has to be something here. Right. So Kiar and her friends had gone to a place that they often went and they went there the day before her disappearance. Okay. It was a cafe of sorts like a dining place. They hung out there a lot. Well, this one older guy always seemed to be hanging out as well.

And the friends all said that he was super creepy, but Kiyara really liked him, like had a crush on him. Oh. And he seemed to like her. That's not good. That day, they said they heard him ask Kiyara to hang out with him. And she told him that

that that evening she would sneak out of her house in the middle of the night after her mom went to bed to see him. Oh no. And like, obviously, that's messed up, but she was probably like really excited. Yeah. He groomed her. Right. That's what they do. That's horrible. So when Trace talked to the initial investigators to be like, what the fuck? This looks like good information. Like, why wasn't this looked into? They said, well, you know, the teens that said this are really not credible. Like, they've had, like, they've been like in petty trouble.

Like, they've been in petty thefts and stuff and like, we're not gonna believe them. But if multiple people say the same thing, and it adds up to what you found in your investigation, like, what? And they just dismissed it. And it's also like, why would they lie about that? Yeah, that's a weird fucking thing to lie about.

That doesn't help them. But when they bent back to, so the trace went back to these teens who are a little older now, and they were like, we need to ask you the same questions that we want to get your story again. This is like, to have the same years later. The same thing. Story.

Their stories never changed. And nothing, they said like nothing changed about it. Same exact thing. Didn't make it worse. Didn't make it better. Just same stories. So that's pretty, well finally they were able to convince these crazy initial investigators that this was a good case to arrest the older guy who isn't, they didn't name this guy.

Okay. And they wanted to charge him with the murder of Kiarabreen, even though they didn't have a body. Well, they ended up having to use a super weird case as a precedent for this because of the lack of body. They can't just go and say, rest him for murder. They'd be like, you know, we're in to meet on night. Yeah. It would. So this case that they use was the murder of Captain Robert Narek by IRA member Liam Townsend. The IRA making another appearance. They're all over this thing.

So the law officers agreed that it did work as a precedent. Okay. So they were going to try to go further. So older creepy guy was arrested September 12, 1999. Okay. They could only initially hold him for 12 hours. They had nothing. They didn't have any.

They had nothing. So they were really just being like, we need to interrogate him in 12 hours and get this can make a crack. Yeah. So during that time, they interviewed him, interrogated him with every way and method they could think of to try to get him to say this. He denied even knowing her. So right away, he's a liar.

Well, in right away, that's fucking weird. Yeah. And he's all ready, you're lying. Right. So I know that you're just holding onto it because you even denying that you know her? That's huge. Did everybody saying you know her? People know you know her. In fact, in that book, Missing Presumed by Alan Bailey, he said that near Chiara's home,

it was spray painted on like a wall somewhere, like on the street. Yeah. This guy's name loves Chiara. Oh. Yeah. Okay. So it's like where did that come from?

Do we, I don't know if you know, do you know how much older he was? No, it's not said exactly, but he was older. Like, to the point. I'm picturing like some 40-year-old doing spray paint like, I love Chiara. It totally could have been. Yeah. I mean, honestly, the way they described him is like he's a real creepy older guy. Yeah.

That should not have been interested in a 17-year-old. Right. But so this dude held out would not say they couldn't charge anything. And they have to go. And they just had to release him. That fucking sucks. Isn't that the worst?

Yes. I did read reports that he possibly died of a drug overdose. Oh, that's interesting. So, who knows? But either way, he got out of that. And he was able to walk away and live. Damn, so it's like, now, do we know, like, could he have done this to more girls?

That's the thing. So people do believe that he is responsible for the audience. And the investigators really do believe he was the guy. In August 2015, investigators started randomly searching these specific marshlands in the area. Yeah. And it was because two witnesses said they saw Chiara on the evening she went missing around this area.

Uh-huh. And then two letters were received by authorities, anonymously saying police should search that area for Chiara. Oh damn nothing was found. That's weird But anonymous letters and then they go look and it's not or maybe those anonymous letters were trying to lead them in the wrong direction. It's true It could have been that or it's like it's marshland and it's like who knows maybe you're just missing something right It's like we don't know That's a lot to search. And again, yeah, like you say, it's a really hard thing to search marshlands.

It's not easy. So who knows? That was in 2015. They were still thinking they're going to find her. So I hope they can fingers crossed that they can find her. Because, you know, this family deserves closer. That was like a very sad one. It is.

They're all sad. They're all really sad. Yeah, everyone you hear, you're just like, man was like a very sad one. It is. They're all sad. They're all really sad. Yeah, everyone you hear, you're just like, man, that one's sad too. It's just like they all just like hit you. Yeah. And in a different way too. Yeah.

And I'm going to tell like what my theories on this whole like and vanishing triangle thing is at the end. But I don't think a serial killer is in. You think it's just a sad triangle? I think it's just a sad triangle. And I think that Larry Murphy has a lot to do with a few of them.

So, yeah, so that was Kiar Breen. I still have not found her, no trace of her. I really hope they do. I know, it's really sad. So the next one that we're gonna talk about is Fiona Sinett. Oh, okay. She was 19 years old. She went missing on February 9th, 1998. Her story is really sad. Oh, again, they're all sad. But like this one just has another element

to it that I was like, Nancy from another angle. Yeah, it's a bummer. She's really going to hit by all angles. She was 19 years old. She was a single mother of an 11-month-old daughter named Emma. Stop. She was living in a Southwest West west, in Southwest West, in a little village called Broadway. She was living alone and taking care of her child. She was known to be very responsible, very independent. She loved being a mom. Everyone says like she doded on Emma. She just like found her niche being a mom. She had a very good relationship with her family. They lived in her by, but they didn't speak

every day, which will a lot of people were wondering because she wasn't reported missing right away. And a lot of people were like, what the hell? When it comes to her family, I think it's just a matter of like the way they can speak all the time. So I think it just wasn't. But there's another element to it that you're like, why wasn't she? so Apparently before moving into her own place, which was somewhat recent, she had a very abusive relationship with her child's father. Oh, no. His name was Sean Carroll and he was about 10 years older than Fiona. He was a monster years older than Fiona. He was a monster, like an absolute monster. There's so many shitty fucking dudes in this story.

Police knew their, they knew the place where they lived before she moved out. Because they knew where I was there. They were always there. Well, because they were there all the time. That always makes me so sad. Yeah, one police are like, oh, yep, like we knew that place. She was admitted to the hospital many times

because of him in the missing presumed book by Alan Bailey. He says, because remember, he's one of the lead investigators in the trace. The trace. He says this about one such incident. He said, quote, she told the number of her friends a harrowing story involving vicious

and prolonged sexual abuse that this man had subjected to her to when she was heavily pregnant. Oh God! I have personally read with revulsion the various reports concerning this particular assault and can honestly say that if only half of it was true, then her assailant should be stood trial for and should never again have been accepted back into normal society. Wow. And then he said the attack bordered on barbaric.

So he's obviously a good suspect in her disbanded. He's us already. Yeah. And while she was heavily pregnant, that reminds me of the Ariel Castro story. Oh, terrific. Terrific. So the night she went missing,

she had gone to a pub called Butlers with three friends. Baby Emma was with her ex's parents, so with Sean's parents. Now, even though he was a monster, she wanted, I don't know how cool they were. I think she was like, they're her grandparents. They need a relationship. They want to be a part of her life,

so I'm not going to deny that. Good for her. So she was a lot about her character that she was like, I know what, we'll let this happen. So baby Emma was with Sean Carroll's parents. Apparently throughout the night, her friends noticed she kept winsing like in pain. And they were like, what's what are you doing? And she said that her upper chest and her arm hurt like a heart attack. Oh, yeah, it to me. I'm like, did anyone think to be like, you're having a heart attack?

Myocardial infarction right now. That's exactly what they would say. Oh, fuck, I think she's having a myocardial infarction. I think it is. I don't even think it's an infarction. What is it? A myocardial infarction. Inforction?

That just sounds like fart. Oh, yeah. She's 12 when you are. So she wouldn't say what was causing this issue. She was just like, yeah, this is what hurts. I can also be anxiety. Yeah, and they were like, so during the evening, she wouldn't elaborate anymore.

She was just like, yeah, it hurts, whatever. I'll figure it out. She kept saying she was going to the doctor so that it's morning, so she was like, we'll figure it out. Well, during the evening, her ex, Sean, walked into the pub. Oh, and he didn't come to like hang out with this friend group, obviously. They didn't say a word to each other. They saw each

other, did not acknowledge each other. He just walked in and he sat at the bar and drank alone all night. But he was like watching, but he's just like on the peripheral, burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr Yeah, so a driver driving by the area that evening said that they did see a couple on the side of the road arguing later in the night when like all the bars and pubs closed. And then someone who lived right nearby said they heard a female screaming at the same time. Oh no. Now, her friends say that Fiona left the pub when it closed and she left by herself. And she told their friends like it was the short distance to her house.

So she was like, see you later. I'm just going to walk home. Yeah, it's totally fine. They said that her and Sean didn't leave together, but Sean left after her, because he was fucking watching her. Exactly. So they were like, now I think they're sitting there being... Did not have a high side of money. I feel like Tony made it be like, wait I think they're sitting there being. Didn't have a high side. I feel like 20 to be like, wait a second, he was following her.

Right. So it wasn't until February 18th that her father, Patrick, reported her missing. So that was 10 days after she was last week. Yeah. But again, they just didn't talk all the time. She didn't speak to her family every day. So maybe no alarm bells initially, right?

That's a long time to me, but who am I to judge? But our family literally is so close. Like we talk every single day. I think that's, yeah, I think it's because I, yeah, we talk every day. Because you watch shows sometimes, and they're like, it wasn't unlike her to not call for like five days. Yeah, and to me, I'm like, what?

I'm fine. Yeah, my would be like, the fuck? Yeah, my god, the info. My would have like the National Guard out here. Literally. But this is, again, they didn't talk every day so I can kind of understand that. I got it.

She was working, she was taking care of a baby. Maybe they were just thinking she was, right. She was strung out. She was working everything. But the fuck that part is that her daughter was with Sean's parents that evening. So in 10 days, they weren't concerned

that she wasn't coming back to get her daughter. Yeah, that's odd. Like, she went out for a night and never came back. I wonder if like because Sean was like such a shit stain he had told the parents like shitty things about her and maybe because of her age, they were like, oh well maybe she just like ran away or like, you know what I mean? Did they ever say anything? They do believe that this whole thing was set out to make it look like Fiona abandoned her child and just left. Right, but obviously she didn't,

but I could see where maybe his parents think. You have a different. It sounds like his parents are not like, the super, you know, light of the universe here. Oh, no, I'm not thinking that. I don't think they were super like, oh, that must be it. I think they were just like, whatever. Cool, we have our green kid.

I think they were literally like, we don't care what happened or I agree. I got that. So investigators talk to Sean and he said, because they were like, you followed her out of the pub that night. So I'll know it. What the fuck?

And you have your daughter. What's going on here? So Sean was like, okay, well, he said, I met her outside. We talked a little bit. I walked her home. And so I'm such a good guy. He's such a gentleman.

And he said he slept on the couch because she was complaining. Like her friend said that she had arm and chest pain. And I wanted to be there for her. And he said, because I'm so awesome. He said he was worried. So he slept on the couch the next morning around. And he had she had arm and chest pain. And I wanted to be there for her. And he said, because I'm so awesome. He said he was worried, so he slept on the couch. The next morning around, and she had told him, I'm going to go to the doctors next morning,

so he was like, okay. So the next morning around 9am, his mother, Emma's grandmother, came and picked him up at Fiona's home. Okay. So again, she wasn't like, hey, is Fiona going to take the baby back? So whatever. So he, the wasn't like, Hey, is Fiona gonna take the baby back? So whatever. So he, the mom picks him up,

they went back to the grandparents' home where Emma was. Emma just stayed there forever, and Fiona's parents barely get to see her. Like that's, like they've like cut Fiona's parents out of seeing the great. That's horrific. To me, the carol family... Also, it sounds pretty planned.

Yeah, and it, well, it gets even worse. So. So to me the Carol family has a lot to answer for because I'm like Sean knows where the fuck she is and I will they know right they know more than they're letting me agree So obviously investigators did a search of her home They found no evidence of foul play everything was pretty normal, but There was one big huh when they came in, him me up. The house was almost completely empty. And what I mean is it's like no one had ever lived there.

Everything was gone. It's like it was vacant. There was no personal items. Ooh, that just creeped me out. And they were like, wait, where's all her stuff? A 19 year old teenager lives here with her 11 month old daughter. There should be shit everywhere. Right. And they were literally, and it wasn't like,

oh, there's just not a lot of stuff. Nothing was in that house. And was it cleaned? No personal items were in that house. Where the fuck did they go? So they were like, find them? Well, then they started asking people who knew her. They were like, did she just not have anything to do with that house? But she like a very minimalistic human being. What happened?

People who had visited her were like, oh no, they were shit everywhere. In fact, she was like very known for being a messy person. Re-insured. And she had the 11 month old. So it was like toys were everywhere. Baby things were everywhere. Right. They were like, no, that was not an empty place.

The place was cleaned out. That's scary. there were baby things where we were. Right. There were like, no, that was not an empty place. The place was cleaned out. That's scary. This case went all over the news, and the news did say that the place was cleaned out, that there was nothing in there. So suddenly a farmer in the area contacts authorities, and it's like, uh, he's got a landfill home. He's like, so that girl's house that was empty?

Well before her disappearance went public, he was checking a landfill, huh? He's like, so that girl's house that was empty? Well, before her disappearance went public, he was checking his cattle and noticed that someone had dumped a ton of black garbage bags in his ditch. And it was on his property, but he said that happened a lot people like illegally dump on his property. So he was like, he figured it was just somebody else who had thrown all their garbage there.

But then he was like, wait a second. Well, he was pissed. So he was like, you know what, I'm just gonna light all these things on fire to burn it and get rid of it. Okay. Because I'm not gonna lug all these, like a landfill and just gonna light them on fire.

Destroyed the evidence accident. Fuck. But he did happen to open one of the bags to make sure he wasn't destroying anything like valuable. He's like peaked in and he said he found medicine containers in there with the name phoenix on them. So those were that was all her stuff. And this was days before she went missing? Well no he went this was before news had broke up. Oh, so this was within the 10 days that no one knew she was missing. He happened to find these. So it was in that

10 day period where where Sean was cleaning out matcha. He happened to find these. So it was in that 10 day period where Sean was cleaning out her house. Exactly. Right. So they had set up roadblocks. They'd asked drivers in the area. If they saw anyone hitchhiking matching her appearance, nothing came up. They couldn't find anything. And I think that's because she went home with Sean. And that was it. I think that was the end of it. When speaking with her friends, they mentioned another instance of Sean being a crazy person.

Oh, no. They were like, let me tell you what kind of person he is. She had met like only days before she disappeared. She had gone out and met an English truck driver. And they had headed off and she spent the evening with him in the cab of his truck. Cool. Like, get it girl. I was gonna say she's having a hot girl summer. So, she is. So Sean found out he came to the cab. He starts slamming on the cab door and screaming for her to go. So here's the thing though.

Why is he always just like a little bit away? He's just around. Because he's fucking stalking her. He's lurking everywhere. Right. Well, she didn't get out of the cab. And she's like, fucking, and he's just guys also.

And he left finally because it was just him. And but when the investigators then spoke to the truck driver because they found this guy, because they were like, now we gotta talk to you. Yeah. He was like, oh yeah, that's 100% that happened. So like, we met, we were together in my cab and this happened. And he said, let me just tell you though, Fiona,

the face she had when he showed up was pure terror. And he said he had never seen someone's face. Like, she probably went like super parallel. Yeah, he was like when Sean showed up screaming for her to come out, she was paralyzed in fear. And he was like paralyzed. Like, should that man has broken her? Done horrible thing.

So people think this is may have been the tipping point. Like, this is what set him off. And that's what set him off. And that at the pub that night she went missing, he was just watching her and waiting to strike and just waiting for her to be alone. So what the fuck happens to him? So he happened to also Sean had a bunch of drug charges on him. And when he had like a gang of like, you know, people that were getting in trouble with drugs. And when his gang and he was arrested at one point for drug charges, because again, they had no concrete evidence about Fiona. They didn't have a body. He cleaned the place out.

All they have is people saying he's a shithead and that he followed her out. So when they were arrested for drug charges, of course they were asked about Fiona's disappearance because now people are saying how do you clean out that whole place himself and his head friends? Have you ever fucking moved? Yeah, he had people helping him. Well, they all just basically pled the fifth. Oh.

So all of them were basically like, we weren't arrested for that. We're not gonna talk about it. When you said they're in plead the fifth, it's so incriminating to plead the fifth. Like it's just saying I did it. Yeah. You're OJ Simpson sending it.

And in this case, the something like I wasn't arrested on this. So I don't have to tell you. I'm not gonna talk about it. And the idea that he, so like basically the idea was floated that he had killed Fiona and then his friends helped him dispose of the body and empty your home.

Great. And it seems like a really good, good day. Good day. In September 2008, Fiona's family and friends had a memorial ceremony in our Lady's Island Cemetery for her because she was officially declared dead. And they still didn't have a body. Still didn't have a body.

But it always makes me so sad. And they had a plaque put up for her on the wall of the cemetery for her in Memorium. Yeah. And they had put that plaque up the day before or they had had it put up the day before and then they were going gonna unveil it at the Seven ceremony the next day. Oh, no. The day of the memorial the plaque was gone stolen. What the fuck? And he's stealing block investigators think that her murderer or people involved with it stole that plaque. Why would you even do that? Yeah, and then why are you so fucked up?

I guess one of the guys that they had arrested, you know, as part of Sean's whole inner circle, had started to become somebody near him was like, he's starting to crack. And he's starting to talk about how he did this. He helped cover this up and he's feeling really guilty and he can't handle it anymore. Let's pile all their luck.

Let's do this shit. Well, they ended up, that dude ended up overdosing and dying of a drug overdose and they don't know if it was on purpose or accidental, but either way they weren't able to get him Damn it. They got to get somebody to crack in this like you know, I can't I can't believe and I know it does happen But it's hard to believe that that many evil evil evil fucked up to the core people find each other. I know, it's true. And there's got to be at least one that you can crack. There's not many coincidences in the world.

No. And these, this seems to be a whole lot of weird coincidences. Yeah. And just, yeah, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, and as far as investigators are concerned, they're pretty sure that that's exactly what happens. Like, typically, a lot of coincidences in a case actually just translates into a lot of circumstantial evidence. Exactly.

And unfortunately, this is the situation here. But again, they've never found Fiona. That's really sad. I mean, her daughter is becoming an adult at this point. I hope she's been able to see her other grandparents. I think she's, you know, I can't imagine having to learn all this, like later in life, not know where your mom is. Who knows what she's been told. I'm sure she was told at some point, like, you know, your mom just abandoned you. That's terrible. That'll fuck you up. So that's the case of Fiona's Senate. And

hopefully, you know, I open all these cases, at least we find something here. Right. It's like really upsetting to get to the end of each one of them and be like, and she's never been solved. And it's unsolved. That's what's so frustrating. So the next one we're going to talk about is on July 28, 1998 and it's Deirdre Jacob. This one's really weird.

And this is where Larry Murphy comes in. Okay. Hard. So she was 18 years old. Deirdre wanted to be a teacher. She was going to college in London at St. Mary's University. She was home with her parents for the summer at the time

and she was super smart, very happy person, had a great home life. Everything was fine. She was doing great. She was last seen walking and in through the front gates of her parents' home,

July 28th, 1998, and was never seen again. So that's not and in through the front gates of her parents' home, July 28th, 1998, and was never seen again. So that's not even walking through the door, just getting to the front gate of her parents' home and that was the last time she was seen. Isn't that so weird when, especially in this case, there's now three people that were last seen, like, on the property of their own home. Oh, yeah. It's really, it's really creepy. So she had been in Newbridge with in town that day, going like just doing some things around town, some errands. She visited her grandmother, Bridgital Grady, which I'm like, that's a great name. That really is. Bridgital Grady. She's got stories. Yeah, she does. She has so many stories. She was particularly in town that day too,

to get a bank draft so that she could make sure to secure her apartment in London with a roommate for the second year of college. So she wanted to make sure to get that in, get that settled so she could make sure she was set. So she had shit to do. She had shit to do. She was a girl on the move. She had plans and she was doing it.

So she left around 3.02 PM and she called her grandma like left town. Like she was, you know, on her way back, she called her grandmother like left town like she was yeah on her way back She called her grandmother again to check in because she was just a good granddaughter. I love that It was about a 25 minute walk from town to her home and she walked it all the time. It was on like country roads And on her walk she was spotted by at least eight to ten people who confirmed she was walking home Six of these people knew her personally. So I could say, yes, I spoke to her.

Most of these people spoke to her on the walk, or like wave to her or anything, so they were very, they knew that it was her. This is not just like random people driving by. There's also CCTV footage to confirm that she was walking around town that day and that she'd gone into the bank when she did, that she'd use the phone. She she did, that she used the phone.

She was wearing a navy blue shirt, blue jeans, Nike sneakers, and a black messenger style bag with the words cat and yellow letters on it. It was a very distinctive bag, and people really like, honed in on this bag because not a lot of people have it, but they never found it. Now, her mother returned home from work that night at around 6 p.m. and Deirdre wasn't home. And she was like, that's weird. Immediately, she was concerned. This was in a case of like, oh, maybe she's gonna be back.

She was like, nope. Deirdre said she was gonna be back around like 3.34 o'clock. She's not home by six, something's wrong. Like she would have called immediately because she was like, this just isn't Deirdre. Her parents pretty quickly called the police and the investigation began right away. So a ton of rumors began circulating,

inciting, started rolling in. Most of them were not helpful, which is annoying. I think I saw her here. I think I saw her here. She's people that want to be involved. Yeah. Then one sighting came in that intrigued investigators and still does.

So a man called into the Shannon side northern sound radio station and said he was driving a truck in the area that day that dear Drow and missing. And he said he saw her on the side of the road and he said he met her when she was hitchhiking near County Kildare. And he had stopped and asked if she needed a ride. He was like, where are you going? I can probably bring you. She was going in the direction he was. So she agreed and he drove her to Karek McRose. I just looked it up.

That's exactly what the person sounded like. They did. I looked it up last night, but then sometimes you forget, like you write it down, I'll look up something like 42 times and then I'll be recording and I'm like, fuck,

what was it? Because I get anxiety. So it's Karek McRoss. See what you guys have done to us. See. But I'm right about this one. My Irish ladies and bros can tell me. I know.

So yeah, so he drove it to Karek McRoss and he dropped her there. And so he, so he had called this radio station 10 times to try to tell them this story. He also wrote a four-page letter detailing this and sent it to the Lines Star leader newspaper. So this dude was like, I know where she was, I saw her, I dropped her here,

she didn't go straight home, like I'm trying to tell you. She was in Karak Makross. Okay. So Deirdre had spent time in Karak Makross recently with like friends. Sure. And people thought, you know, maybe she had met another friend there

and was going to visit them and just failed to tell her family. But when she had told Bridget, she would have. Her family went there a ton of times and like passed out her photo, missing posters, asked people about her. Nobody had anything. No one had seen her. The truck driver refused to identify himself. Weird.

So they were like, come on man. So January 9th, 1999, Trace decided the only way to get him out of hiding was to release a recording of his call via the Guard of Press Office. Apparently had a very distinctive Northern Irish accent and tons of people, like hundreds of people called in to be like, oh, I know who that is. Is it very distinctive?

Is it Larry? He's not even a creeper. They were just like, oh, I just know who that is. Or I at least know where he's from. Like the bill like that accent is from here. So they had a name now. And they said he lived in a village of Fermanna. Fermanna, Fermanna shit.

Look it up, and I'm checking it. Fermanna, I was right the first time. We'll be listening back to that audio when I was really aggressive sounding of my shit. It was like shit. And you know what, I wrote down the pronunciation like phonetically, how it's saying it's double-taste. I still second-guess myself.

Again, look at what you have done to us. What you have done? Like, where Elena's twitching. Guys, I'm a shell of who I was. Right? Because of this killing and Naperville and that. God damn you. So, for mana, they said he lived in this village.

It was in Northern Ireland, but he lived in a different jurisdiction. And so, Trace couldn't just extra-dite him over the border just to interview him. Wait, I'm sorry. As for jurisdiction, and so Trace couldn't just extradite him over the border just to interview him. Wait, I'm sorry. Is Ferman of the village? I got caught on. Ferman is the village, I'm sorry.

And it was in Northern Ireland. Okay, okay, sorry. But he couldn't just, they couldn't just extradite him over the border where they were. Right. And they couldn't just do it with just to interview him. Different jurisdictions. Yeah, they didn't have formal charges, so they were like, we got to figure out how to get him here, so we can have him.. So they were like, we got to figure out how to get them here so we can have them

We need them. We need them. So they found out through badass investigative work that he had happened to shop at a local supermarket in Monahan at certain times every week Wow, so they made a team guy. I know So they waited on the Irish side of the border, and they nabbed him as he crossed into their jurisdiction. Perfect. They interviewed him, and he eventually admitted that he was the one who called, and he said, but I lied about the entire thing.

So I was literally gonna say that because I was like, she doesn't really sound like the type to hitchhike, even though it was super common back then. And then all these people saw her walking, so it just doesn't make sense. No, it didn't. Well, he said, I lied about the whole thing. He had an alibi that checked out.

So they were like, why would you write a four-fucking-page letter? Well, they were like, so you called 10 times and wrote a letter like you were very invested in selling this wine. He just really wanted to be involved. He said he had lost his young daughter in a car accident that he felt responsible for, and he thought if he could provide this false account that maybe you would provide her family some hope

that she was still alive. That's nice, but also like, it's sad. It's like really sad, but also it's like then you led them in the wrong. But also, it's like, then you led them in the wrong direction. It's like so long. For how long they've been sitting here holding on to this hope that you gave them, and now it's just crashing in the like,

well, just to say how amazing her family is, her mother Bernadette and her little sister, Chiara, actually were worried about the well-being of this man. I would be too to be honest. Like they were like, we're not mad. Like, we... Good for that, because that is it brutal and did it crush us? Yes, but like...

But you have to, then you have to take a step back and be like, obviously he's suffering. Which I'm like, what? But most people couldn't do that. That's, I agree. Like, I don't know if I could do that. So, in their situation, so I give them a lot of credit for that. But it's a sad situation. That's a sad, sad situation. But it's a sad situation.

That's a sad situation because that's a grieving father. And he said, I know how it is to lose a child and I just didn't want them to feel that they lost a child. Oh, that's really sad. And I was like, that's a really fucked up nice thing to do. It's like, don't do so many layers of that. Don't do it. But I get it. It came from somewhere good in there, but like yeah, the fact that it's poorly executed

I was like he just wanted to be involved and then you're like actually actually it's a real sense. Yeah, that's so Nothing happened for a while after this it went pretty cold then a brutal sexual assault occurred close to where Deirdre was last seen. And it was tied to pervert of the century, Larry Murray. Great. Dude is a beast. He's a beast. So in 2001, he was convicted of an abduction, sexual assault, and a turned attempted murder. And we're going to talk about this case after this. So we'll go into great detail.

Okay. And he was serving time about this case after this. So we'll go into great detail. Okay. And he was serving time at Arbor Hill Prison. And I guess this prison is weird and let's, I mean, it lets a lot of the prisoners like hang out and socialize a lot. And they get like kitchen privileges. They make some pancakes. This place is also filled with like rapists, murderers,

like pretty bad people. So when they get these kitchen privileges, there's this like infamous brew that they do, that they brew their own vodka. Who's like, it's just infamous the specific vodka they make here. And they'll often just sit around, get drunk, and spill their shit to each other. Which is, I guess, is good.

Maybe that's why they love them. That's how they love them, yeah. Because they get a lot of information out of this. But also some of it might just be like stupid shit. Just don't get shit. You should when you're drunk. Well, one night in 2011, Larry spilled the beans about his involvement in Deidre's disappearance. Oh shit.

He and another inmate started trying to outdo each other with shit that they didn't get caught for. Cue. Cue, exactly. Larry suddenly starts talking about he abducted a young girl near new bridge a few years before. He said he was out driving and he was specifically hunting for a girl to abduct as one does. So weird when you hear them being like, and I was out that day, like, think of all the

times that you're just like driving, doing errands, like in the person you're passing might be hunting for. Might be able to kill. Hunting for a girl to abduct. Hunting for humans, like, okay. Well, he told this guy that he put some children's toys in his back seat, and he had a car seat back there because he had children.

Are you fucking kidding me? And so he said, when he would strute toys back there with the car seat, it made females who looked in his car feel like he was a good guy and safe. Wow. This is how evil this fucker is. So he said he pulled up alongside this girl at the location where Deirdre was seen walking. Yep.

And he used a map to like wave out the front passenger side seat. And he was like, oh, I need help getting to a somewhere. And when she leaned closer to the window, he just, he was like, training at something. He said he grabbed her hair and roughly dragged her into the car, like just, like, just go, and then he'll flip her into the car. It was like, I think Alan Bailey describes it as like a blitz attack, like, no time for her to even,

yeah, literal blitz attack, like, just ripped her into the car without even thinking. Well, he rips her into the front passenger seat and he shoves her face and head into the floor of the passenger seat. So her body is up on, so she's literally stuck. Yeah. And if you think about being in that position, you can't get out of that position. How are you?

Right. Or it's really hard to, especially if someone's holding you down. And it's terrifying. You're literally crunched on the floor like under the well-in-procate. And you probably can't breathe. You're like, like, you just, like, you just, Jesus.

Well, then he took a hammer and nocturne conscious. Oh my God. He then drove far away to a secluded area, sexually assaulted her and killed her. And then he said he dumped her body somewhere. What a fucking monster. So the inmate that he told this to, because people were like, all right,

a lot of times inmates will come for it. Like we saw it in the West Memphis three cases. That'll turn the came form, it was like, because Jason told me he put the ball in his mouth, and it's like, no. So gross. He didn't,

because they want leniency for their sentence. Yes. They just want shit from people. Well, this inmate was serving a life sentence for murder. He wasn't getting out. So he was like, I got nothing to lose. And he had a daughter. And so, so he said, one investigators,

because Trace went and talked to him, and they were like, listen, one, we're not giving you anything for this. You will still have a life sentence. We're not going to protect you. We're not going to give you anything. You get nothing out of this. Just so we're clear.

And he just thought it was the right thing I was like I just I know that and that's fine and then they were like you might get targeted Like for a ratting out a violin mate and he said even if he was killed for it He was like I have to say it. I can't do this good And then he said I have a daughter and he said I can't protect my daughter because I'm on the inside here And he said but if this fucker gets out and can do this again, I will fear for my daughter. Wow.

So he was actually like, I have been murdered. I'm like, I have been murdered. I know. The fuck? It's so strange how people's minds can work like that. Like one thing is okay, but the other isn't. Yeah, and he was in for murder on, I guess it was like a, it wasn't like a planned murder.

It was like over a debt and that was an argument and he killed someone that is by no means okay. No, but it's a different, it's a weird murder. But he was a murderer. Yes, so you just sort of like, you shouldn't have those feelings. I don't know if you, right, but okay. So they were like, so they took his word and were like, you know what? He has nothing to gain from

this. Yeah, why would he lie about this? And when you look at Larry's bullshit, it fits right along with what he does. Wow. So here's a little taste of Larry's bullshit. No, thank you. I decline. This is a tough one, so it has rape in it. So just as a trigger warning.

Okay. So February 11th, 2000. Larry eats. Larry eats. I thought you said Larry eats, and I was likeary eats, Lary eats. I thought you said Larry eats. And I was like, eats what? Larry eats. It was like some shrieks.

Like, that's gonna happen. I just put Larry and 28 together and it's a Lary ate. So Larry's 28 year old victim who was not named, she's not named in anything. She left her business, which is not identified because she is not identified in this. She's 28 years old. She left her business at night in Carlo town. She was walking a short distance from her shop to the parking garage where her car was parked. Larry had been following and watching her for some time, like a creep. He knew her routine

that she left every night at this time. She parked in the same spot, that she walked the same walk. No, don't do that. And he had planned everything to a T. He told his pregnant wife that he had an appointment, so she wouldn't have to worry about him being late for work. He also had two sons at home. Jesus Christ. He parked his car with the child seat in the back

away from the woman's car outside of the garage. And he had an entire plan in his mind about how he would abduct her and what he would do. She got into the garage and walked towards her car and Larry was up behind her in seconds, like out of the dark. He screamed at her to give over her purse and she pulled it away.

She was like, fuck you. No. And he punched her square in the face, breaking her nose immediately. Oh my God. She fell backwards and he pushed her into her car, and then he pushed her face into the floorboard of the front passenger seat.

He ripped her bra off as she was in that position with blood pouring from her nose, and he tied her hands with her bra. What the fuck? He then took her shoes off. That's weird. And in the book by Alan Bailey, which again, everybody read, he mentions that he thinks

this is just like a vulnerability thing, like because he said, if you don't have your shoes. If you take your shoes off, you do have a weird level of vulnerability and you can't get away as fast. So he then drove her own car to his own car and transferred her into his trunk. She was screaming in the trunk so he turned the radio up. It's loud as possible. No, I was about to drop her out. Hate that. That is my, that's my

thing. I hate it. I hate it. That's like one of my 84 things. I hate it so much. So he drove her to a secluded dirt road He ripped all of her clothing off completely naked Through her in the passenger seat and brutally raped her When he was done he threw her naked into the trunk again and drove off again to a place called Spinens Cross in Kill Rana-la woods. Don't know if I got that one, right? I think you did. You know what? I gave that one my best shot. So that one's a tough one. So, Spinning's Cross in Kill Rana-lay Woods. He dragged her by her hair into the passenger seat again.

Another instance of like hair. Yep, like pulling by the hair. And this time he sawd amized her and forced her to perform oral sex on him. Oh God. She said she was terrified because he was so unhinged and violent. Like he was a man. I'm not. I think she was going to get murdered at any second. She said I was just waiting for him to kill me. So she stopped resisting and just complied because she was like I'm trying to make him calm down. And she was like I feel like me resisting is getting him angrier. And more. It's almost like they get off more from that.

Exactly. So she complied. She started just not fighting back. It worked. He tried to literally cuddle with her after he raped her again. What? That's so terrifying.

Oh, it's so terrifying. Then she just, so then she says he just started talking about his life and like opening up to her. Is, you know, I like every now and then you get a glimpse of that with like one victim. That is the weirdest thing. He just laid there and like gave TMI details about everything like she was, and she was like,

in my head I was thinking he's telling me all this because he's gonna kill me. Right, he was like, this is no way he's gonna tell you this. Because he just told me as a wife, he has kids, told me everything. Right. And I know so much about him. Like, shit, he did, probably. Yeah, so she was like, awesome.

So she's, so he's like, cuddling with her. Then he just starts like asking her questions, and she's trying not to answer him. She's being like, oh god, I just wanted him to fall asleep, so I could try to get out of here. He then, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, gets angry again, grabs her hair, and tries to drag her back into the trunk. Oh my god. But she freed her hands, and grabbed a can of spray paint from the trunk.

Wow. And sprayed it directly into his eyes. Fuck, yes. Except, like, damn girl. Nothing came out of the spray can. Wait, I'm sorry, what? Nothing came out of the spray can because you have to shake a spray can.

No, no, no, no, no. Oh, fuck, that's like the scene. Yeah. And scream where she keeps locking the doors, but he has the fucking thing on the outside. Yep. Fuck! Or when like, Gale Weathers is like, times up ass hole, and then she's like,

And then it's like, click, click, click, click, because it's on safety. Oh right, you gotta click the safety. That's no good. Fuck! I mean, what a badass to be like, just swipe that kid's brand and be like Fuck off. Shake it really quick. It's okay, but it's like in the moment.

Yeah, you don't have any time. What are you thinking? Fuck. Nothing came out. He was pissed. Even more. So he shoved her into the trunk. Oh God.

Put a plastic bag over her head. No. Is trying to suffocate her and at the same time is using his hands to strangle her. So he's fucking unhinged like he's gone. So she swings her legs over the side of the trunk to try to get out just to try to get up. And while he's strangling her with the bag over her head takes the trunk the the door of the trunk and slamming her legs over and over and over the trunk like monster yeah she started losing consciousness she said she was trying really hard to fight back but obviously you have a fucking plastic bag over your head and you're being beaten

at the same time and straggled you have been brutally raped for hours yeah you're like your body is probably like so exhausted well suddenly a car appears. And Shine's head lights on them. Oh my God. So he throws her on the ground naked with a bag on her head, jumps in his car, and flies away.

So two men get out of this other car. I say this all the time. Imagine being the fucking car that rolls up on this. Well, these two men get out of the car. Of the car. She probably all she wanted to see was like of the car. For a woman, she probably all she wanted to see was like a fellow woman. Just a woman, man.

But please, I would give it to these men, because they saw this like going on, and they thought it was like a couple arguing, and they said it looked really like violent. So they were like, you know what, normally, I wouldn't intervene, but this looks we want to stop. Violence before something happens.

So they were pulling up there to be like, fuck her, stop hitting that girl. Like, they were like, and then when they pulled up and saw it, they were like, what the fuck? So she saw them, and she had a bag over her head, and it's pitch black.

She sees two men coming at her, and she's like, he got more men. And so she brought, oh my god. They find out she gets tangled in like branches And they get to her and are like screaming at her like I swear we're not like we want to help you We're not here to hurt you like we want to get you to the police. Oh my god. She finally she went with them And they like they saved her yeah, they saved her life and

She made absolutely she was seconds away from, oh yeah. Absolutely. And it was that they got her to a hospital. It was crazy. And they were able to help her identify Larry because they were like, we saw him. And that was that what he was in jail for. Yeah, and this is the one that he was in jail for. Because they also had known Larry from around.

But they were like, that was him. Like, we saw him. Oh my God. So when he was arrested for this, his wife mags, because he was arrested at his home. What does she say? His wife mags asked what the hell was going on? Okay. She was like, what, what are you being arrested for? Like what is happening? The police said right in front of them,

he looked over at her and said, I raped a girl last night. Oh my God. To his pregnant wife. What a fuck like that is. Yes. What? raped a girl last night. Oh my God. To his pregnant wife. What a fuck like that is. Yes. What? Just looked at her and was like, I raped a girl last night. And then he has to go.

Obviously he's a rusted and leaves. And she's just sitting there with her two small children. Heavily pregnant. And she just has to bask in that. Yeah. Well, and he gets even worse. So he later would say that the first time he raped this woman was rape, but the second location, he said, no, the second location, she stopped resisting.

So you think that's confidential? And so she said it was consensual love making the second time. Yeah, you're literally disgusting. Like he's the worst. When somebody stops resisting, that's when it becomes love. Well, he was like, yeah, of course, you wanted it. No. No one does. No one does. No one does.

He got 15 years for this. He only served 10. How do you only get 15 years for something that brutal? He is free. What? And was spending a lot of time in London and it's thought to be living there. So the guardian are monitoring him

and preparing to possibly arrest him for Deirdre's murder now. Holy shit. And this is actually new, like 2020 new. Is this the 2019-20 new that they have been monitoring him? Did this and make come forward pretty recently? I think so. And they were able to like actually get more. Yeah, they were able to go back over everything

and like gather more. Wow. So they are monitoring him. They also believe he could definitely be involved in Annie McCarock's disappearance. And JoJo Dullard, and possibly like four others. Wow. So they were enhancing the CCTV footage of Deirdre

from the day she went missing like digitally. Yeah. And they haven't released the findings, but it's looking like they might have caught Larry on that footage. Shut the fuck up. I hope so. The final findings of the new investigation recommend Larry to be arrested for murder, and they have to, they've been turned into the director of public prosecutions, and they will be the

ones to determine if there is basis to arrest him. Well, here is Deirdre. Well, here is Deirdre determine if there is basis to arrest him. Well here is Deirdre. Another case I need to start following. So that's where we are right now. Oh my god. I hope that like you know me did the Lori Valor case and then like the next day shit went down also the world is supposed to end today.

I hope everybody is good. You knew. Maybe this is another situation where we put it out into the universe and... Oh my god. Hopefully that motherfucker ends up rotting in prison. You just had me on the edge of this polka dotted scene. It's a wild story. That poor woman. Can you imagine? Well, how do you live your life after that? Like, I would never be alone again. Of course not. She was just walking to her car.

Like she did every other night. And several times she thought she was dying that night. I am on such high alert whenever I get out of my car because of this podcast. Oh, my head is on a constant swivel baby. Like I am never. My keys are constantly in between my fingers. Hell yeah.

And actually I keep my key in between one finger and then my bottle opener in between another. There you go. See, I have a little turquoise can of mace on my keychain. That you don't have to shake. So fuckers. That was the worst part of that whole thing. It killed me. It killed me. That was like a movie. It's something that you think of that you're just like, oh shit you do have to shake a can of it. We'll be spray things. I was so, remember I was so excited that you were like, oh wait and I was like, fuck I didn't even think about. You shake a can of it. Spray paint. I was so, remember I was so excited that you were like, oh wait, and I was like, fuck, I didn't even think about it.

You don't think of it. They should fix that. I don't think of it now, so I certainly wouldn't think of it in the moment. In the moment, I would just be a Sia Sprann of Sprann. A Sia Sprann of Cape Pant. I would see a can of spray paint and be like,

good, I'm gonna spray this by the face. Oh my God, and the anger. Oh, the face. Oh my God, and oh, the anger. Oh, the anger. Wow. Oh, the anger. I gotta catch my breath. It's genuinely. It's a, it's a trip.

This one's a trip. So my final thoughts are, like I said, I don't think this is a serial killer who is taking these women. I think Larry Murphy did a few, for sure. Yeah. Especially Deandra. I think that definitely De a few, for sure. Yeah. Especially Deidra. I think that definitely Deidra looks good for some other ones. I wonder if he was at the live music

place that night. That's what I'm wondering. And I think they're doing a very good job of keeping certain things close to the chest. And then other things releasing, and I think they're doing a good job to gather a case to really get them. And I think specific suspects are good for like Kiarra and Fiona, like the X's and the weird old guy. I think those definitely make sense. When it comes to Annie McCarock, I'd be interested. I couldn't find much about like what connects Larry to her.

I think the only thing would he would have, he would have been. He was in the area. Yeah, why can't I talk? He was. He wasn't right. But with her, I think that IRA theory is a pretty good one with her. But I mean the other ones are, are anyone's guess really? Yeah, they really are.

But it seems like this is just an area of just bad juju when it comes to this stuff. It really is. But I want to know about the pregnant Fiona, who they have that like too. Fiona Pender, yeah. That one's an interesting one because they found the cross.

Yeah, she was buried here on the day. With that specific date that was like important to somebody's life, I wanted a more about that. I feel like that one, and I mean, the good thing is they're still actively looking into these things. That trace is doing the damn thing. Trace is pretty bad at us. We need trace to come on over here and work on a few things.

I know. They need to get on John Benet. Once they're finished. I want the monjeunbene. I want that. Well, okay, so are you finished with the case? That was incredible. I know that we've mentioned like Elon a few times,

or Keelaine, I don't know which the right one is. Really, who gives a shit? I don't care, I don't want it. I don't even want to say her name correctly. I don't even know if I said this to you yet. You can, well don't stop me because I don't know. I didn't say to anybody else on the podcast. I'm excited.

Apparently there's this photo going around. I love this. I saw this. Yeah, so the photo, if you haven't seen it yet, it's a photo of Jon Bene and people think that the woman behind her is gilland or gillain or bitch Yes, and it's like holy fuck that is kind of weird except he who must not be named who I don't want to be sued by is also a pretty good suspect There's a lot there's a lot in that case and that picture is Slightly compelling you're just like it is okay that does look, but then again, a lot of women look like her.

And also, people are really good at Photoshop. That's true. I mean, I don't think it was Photoshop. I don't think it looks like a real photo, but it could just be a random woman. With a short haircut. With a short haircut. Like, that could actually be Chris Jenner. It could definitely be Chris Jenner. And honestly, it probably is. So, I fucking hate the Kardashians and Chris Jenner. Let me just lay that out there. She does. We just had a blow in conversation about that before everything started. We're gonna start a spin-off actually

We're that's my full stance on them. I think they're gross But I I want to I do I feel like I just need to review the Jean-Beney Ram Ramsey case again the Jean-Beney Ramsey is the one case that drives me Bunkers insane case that drives me bonkers. Insane. Bonkers. Insane. Because I really think that you like, I have to work on a start a whole new episode about Shepard now, right?

But I think the theory of like, it was an accident and covered up to save the remaining child. I know. It definitely is a strong theory. It seems pretty strong, but you know? I'm not saying that's what happened though. I don't want Schmerk to get any ideas, so I'm scared. We're gonna keep them all for too.

We're gonna stop that now, but I just wanted to mention that picture because the news is a crazy picture. I know, you're just don't know. It's pretty hard either. But anyway, while with your fucking episode. And also the other thing is I have been hearing from a lot of like our Irish listeners about this and some of them they have been telling us different

theories and stuff and keep it coming. I love a good thing. I'm loving to hear the people that are like totally involved in this area and like history and everything. Let us know because it's really fun to hear. And I know I probably missed up a lot of the pronunciations in the first part You know what like you're adorable good try But they even in this part. I was like no we paused No, they were really sweet about it and but I gave it I gave it and even better go because you know what Ireland We fucking love you. Yeah, and you see you and you guys have been really nice. We want to be with you someday

We do I love Ireland. Oh my god, I want to do a UK show. I will someday. It will be so great. But I just wanted to thank you guys for being nice and sharing your wisdom and all your stuff with me and keep it coming. Whatever your theories are, I'd love to hear them. Yeah, so good. So let us know.

Wow, I'm like hyped because that is so good. Yes. So good. Especially with the ending. Well, if you want to follow us on Instagram and let us know if Elena pronounced anything correct in the next episode, please do at Morbid Podcast. Hit us up on Twitter, a Morbid Podcast. And send us a Gmail with your theories,

your listener tails, your spooky road stories, and even your sleep paralysis things, because I actually want to do another sleep paralysis. And those are fun, so we'll have to do that again. Morbid Podcast at gmail.com. We hope you keep listening, and we hope you. Keep it weird. But not so many things that you go to Ireland

and you try to have a good time and everybody there is like super, super nice and you love Ireland, but then there might be this serial killer going around, but then maybe there's not. And then Fiona, it was so nice. And then the other Fiona was so nice. And then everybody just ends up brutally murdered.

And it's really messed up. It is, it was Trace gonna figure out what happened. I don't know, can you figure it out Trace? And then when you're done with that, can you come over here, keep it so weird that you come here. Yes, I love that. Keep it that weird. And let's get Larry and Jail. Bye Larry.

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