Morbid - Episode 161: The Scream Murder of Cassie Jo Stoddart

Episode Date: August 8, 2020

For the MEGA-Morbid this week Alaina dives into the real life, “Scream” murder of Cassie Jo Stoddart. Cassie was murdered by two friends and classmates, Torey Adamcik and Brian Draper, while she was house sitting in a big house in the middle of nowhere: everyone’s worst fear. These two jerks terrorized Cassie in her final hours all because they wanted to make a movie and know what it felt like to kill someone. Alaina roasts these Billy and Stu wanna-bes almost as hard as BTK as we cover what happened prior to, during and after the murder.  Sources: https://www.thecriminaljournal.com/murder-of-cassie-jo-stoddart-16-year-old-brutally-killed-by-her-classmates-brian-draper-and-torey-michael-adamcik/ Bailey Sarian!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDCRHc7XwA https://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/house-where-murder-of-cassie-jo-stoddart-took-place-proving-hard-to-sell/article_57694590-5cdb-11e4-876d-270a4ac0f093.html Some of the videos of the killers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXRYxhN_Rg0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1QRjCU32U99xz2WyAxZWmBuZcF2HezGks4Q9A87YxSl45co0aNwt2LlVI&v=ZXRYxhN_Rg0&feature=youtu.be As always, thank you to our sponsors: Skylight Frame: Special offer, you can get $10 off your purchase of a Skylight Frame when you go to Skylight Frame.com and enter code MORBID.  HelloFresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/80morbid and use code 80morbid to get a total of $80 off, including free shipping on your first box. Additional restrictions apply, please visit HelloFresh.com for more details. Upstart: Head over  to Upstart.com/morbid to find out how low your Upstart rate can be. Checking your rate only takes a few minutes! Your loan amount will be determined based on your credit, income, and certain other information provided in your loan application. Not all applicants will qualify for the full amount. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Boom. This is gonna be a big one guys. I'm excited for this one. Elena told me what she was gonna do, like, right before we just started recording. And I was like, oh yeah. And I've been meaning to do this one for a while. But like, I think anybody who's like, had a true crime podcast or like, even done like research papers or anything, it's like you really gotta just hit it right. You gotta be in the morning.

You gotta hit it right. You gotta hit it right. You gotta let the case pick you. Yeah, you do. So it's like this one was just like it's time. It's time Elena. We got that question a lot. Like what's your biggest advice?

And actually I'm gonna change my biggest advice right now for if you have a podcast, what your case is picking you? Yeah, let them pick you because if you try to dive into a case that you're not ready for, it's not going to be good. The research isn't going to be there and you're not going to, you're not going to be into it. No, that's what I've learned. That's why my research has gotten better, I think. It's because you're letting them speak to you.

What we are going to be covering today is the Scream Murder, which is the brutal murder of Cassie Joe Stoddard. Like absolutely horrific. This is a rough one. I'm going to be playing a couple of audio clips from the killers and you know, just a couple of things that make sense in this. Just want to warn you guys head of time that there that is going to be happening. But before we jump into this case, we don't have a lot to get through before that because this is a long one. So a lot of bid maps jump right in.

We don't really have a lot going on. We have a lot in the works and we can't wait to start telling you guys some fun stuff. But we just want you guys to be like, ready? It's exciting. We have some exciting things coming down the pipe here. We're keeping it close to the chest right now. We are. We are. We are. We are. We are keeping it close to the chest right now. Yeah, I really like to say. Keeping it close to the chest.

And one thing we are going to do this coming week is we're going to be doing a quick little update episode on the Lori Valo case, because as we know, it just keeps unfoldin. And tons of stuff just came out last week. I think what we did the last time, we just added a third episode, a small episode into the week. We're just going to do that.

There won't be ads in that episode or anything. It's just going to be a little bonus kind of. A little bonus episode for everybody. It's like a bonus for us to get to talk about it. Exactly. We just feel like if it's going to, you know, this case is going to keep opening up and we might as well keep updating you guys because I know everybody really wants to talk about it.

We'll be doing that. So keep an eye out for that next week. And besides that, that's really all we got before we dive into the case. I'm excited. Let's do this. Okay. So before I say anything, scream is like one of my favorite movies of all time. Hell yeah. Don't love that these two idiots decided to use it. No. That's like a... Their whole, their like copying screen or whatever, it sounds more like the fourth movie than it does the first. Yeah, it's definitely, which is weird because this happened in 2006. Yeah, so that hadn't even happened yet.

I don't even think that movie had come out yet. No, that movie came out when I was in high school. Right, I think I was a junior or senior. Yeah, that definitely hadn't come out yet. No, that movie came out when I was in high school. Right, I think I was a junior or senior. Yeah, definitely hadn't come out yet. So it's weird that I wonder if they borrowed. I wonder, you know what, hold on. All right, I did a quick look because I hadn't really thought to look into that before.

Thanks, Ash. You're welcome. And I couldn't find anything. I don't really think the people who made screen for are going to sit there and be like, yeah, we were totally inspired by this. Yeah, definitely not. It does, once we get into it, you guys will see it, it has a lot of elements that definitely does. It definitely does. It makes sense that, you know,

the fourth installment of screen was gonna go that like meta route. So the whole franchise of screen was met as fun. Exactly. So it makes sense and you'll see as we go through how how much it kind of like obviously just without the twist ending. Exactly. Yeah, it doesn't have that. I was a little theatric. So I'm just going to mention a little bit about Cassie Jo Stoddert. There's not a ton of information about like, you know, who she was. Well, she was young. Yeah, she was only 16 years old. She was born December 21st, 1989, and Poca-Tello, Idaho,, which Pocahtello is such a fun thing to say. Hopefully saying it right. I don't care if I am. I'm kidding. Pocahtello. Pocahtello is fun to say. Pocahtello Idaho. From what I could see, it's a pretty like small community.

It was like heavily Mormon at one point. I'm not sure if it still is. It has nothing to do with the case I'm just giving you back It's what it's like. It seems like it's a pretty tight-knit community. Very safe, right? You know, it seems like it's one of those places you're not super worried about things like this happening. That's for sure Cassie and her brothers and sisters were raised mostly by her grandparents Couldn't really and I didn't see a lot about like why, but you know, she has the reasons. Well, that's the case.

So by all accounts, she was very artistic, she loved drawing, she loved music, anything creative. She was very creative. She liked to act, like was totally into that stuff. She played soccer. Her brother described her as headstrong, really smart and kind. And he said he looked up to her,

even though they were only a year and a half apart. Oh, yeah. And he said they felt like more like twins, but he looked up to her. Right. Which I'm like, that just hurts my heart. I know, that's sweet. She attended PocaTello High School.

She was a junior when this happened. She was a straight-a student. She had everything going for it. She was beautiful. She was a junior when this happened. She was a straight A student. She had everything going for it. She was beautiful. She sounds like so well-rounded to be into art and soccer and this and that. And an and a straight A student. Right, like you're just damn girl.

Yeah, and she's really pretty, you know, like long, beautiful brown hair, like a awesome smile. Like she was like the whole package. She was the whole thing. She had a boyfriend at the time of five months named Matt Beckham. He's gonna he doesn't play a role in the thing but like he's part of the whole story. So then we're gonna talk about two guys that she went to school with and two guys that were I mean her friends they, they were not like best friends. They were like more like acquaintances.

They were acquaintances, but they like hung out sometimes. Yeah. And they were friends with her boyfriend as well. So that's why they hung out. Yeah, it seems like it was, they had known each other for a while, they all went to school together forever. You know those kind of people. Right.

First, we're gonna talk about the killers, Tori Adamchik and Brian Draper. Okay. So Brian Draper was adopted. He, see, by all accounts, everything I could find there wasn't really anything like of note in his upbringing or anything that would point to this. He had a crush on Cassie for a while. He was friends with her again, but she wasn't into, you know, his dumbass. So, and she had a boyfriend at the time at, so she just wasn't into it. Right. You know, like, when Matt was his friend. Yeah, exactly. So she's, and you know what, not everybody likes you, right? It's just the way it is. Brian, unfortunately, like, you know, because you think about it,

and you're like, as a kid, it's like this sucks that he just felt inherently like a loser. Yeah And I think that was just something that was like a nately in him that he just didn't he felt like an outcast all the time That's definitely sad the kid you say like as a kid You're like that's a bummer as a kid as the 16 year old get the fuck over and don't murder someone Well that as the murderer yeah exactly But like when you think of like a kid thinking that way you're like that You feel bad. Yeah, so he when you think of like a kid thinking that way, you're like, that's a problem. Yeah, so he just felt like a loser in outcast.

His closest friend was Brian. Right. Excuse me, his closest friend was Tori. I was gonna say, I thought we were talking about that. Sorry. He was his closest friend. He was his own, he probably was his closest friend, to be honest, but no, Tori was his closest friend,

obviously. Together they had a super thing for movies. They considered themselves movie buffs, movie critics. I mean they were they were those kids. You're 16. Which like I that resonates with you. I get that. Like I worked at a movie store when I was like six. That also reminds me so much of your nephew my little cousin. Yes, exactly. Everybody's like wait, I thought you were so excited, uh, and it kind of reminds me of like Randy from school. Yes, yep, yep, like, you know, super into the movies can tell you

everything about it relates it to real life all the time. Well, in scream for Charlie and Robbie. Exactly. And they very much are like that. Like, it's, it's spot on. It really is. So they really loved, of course, especially horror movies. Which you're in high school. Like, in same. I was gonna say. I mean, 34. That's my favorite kind of I just mean like that's when you like get into it. Exactly. Or if you're like, you know, the weird ones you see, you know, just Stephen King sleepwalkers when you're like 10. Yeah. Or if you're me, Alina just shows you everything when you're like seven.

Yeah. Well, so, you know, there's a lot to say about like, you know, people will look into the psychology of like what horror movies do for violence in real life and all that craziness. Look it up because I can tell you right now, no study is can tell you which either way what happens. To me everything I've read and everything I've just like by my own like psychology stuff, I've what I see is that it's not, it goes right back to the nurture versus nature thing. If you're going to say that horror movies create these things, then you're saying that it's all nurture and it has nothing to do with nature. Right. And I think it's always nine or ten're saying that it's all nurture, and it has nothing to do with nature. Right, and I think it's always...

Nine out of ten times, I think it's a balance of the two. Exactly, and I think it's like, if you're gonna kill someone, you already have that in you. That's in you. That's something that needs to be nurtured. Exactly. Maybe you take horror movies, and because you're already predisposed to that way of thinking,

you take it as like, oh, I could do that to someone, but it has nothing to do with the horror movie. It has to do with you as a person. The horror movie is nurturing your already murderous nature. Exactly. And so it's that they were, like I said, they were specifically into the scream franchise. That was their thing. And they wanted to make this whole thing like another scream movie. That was their idea. So going back to, you know, do horror movies create, you know, cyber? Basically, I have to, I have to defer to Billy Loomis from Screen One.

Oh my god, I love you. So, I love Screen. I remember watching it in 1996 when it came out the year that Ash was born. Hey! I remember watching it when I was like seven out the year that Ash was born. Hey! I remember watching it when I was like seven and being like, this is a good flick. I didn't get to see it in theaters because I was too young. Because you were 10. Sure was, but I remember with my best friend Lindsay, I remember like renting it on the sly somehow.

I don't even, we used to slide horror movies past mile all the time. Well, I was gonna say, because that was like the blockbuster days when you could get like four movies and like sneak it in the bus. Oh yeah, we would go to Hollywood video. One time we snuck children of the corn because we told her the sickle on the front of it was a crescent moon.

And it was a bit of a fairies. And she was like, that's delightful. You should buy that. And then I didn't sleep for like three days. That's delightful. So we got that past there. And I remember watching it and being like, I love this. And I watched it and was like, it was almost inspiring to me. I was like, this is

so creative. Like this idea that Kevin Williamson and Wes Craven had of like making it like make fun of horror movies, but not make so many. But at the time you didn't even know it was mad at it. Like, you know what I mean? You didn't even, right. And I remember looking at it and being like, I wanna do something like that. Like I wanna make something creative like that. Like I wanna have that kind of brain.

You were inspired by the artistic side of it. Exactly. Not the like homicidal part of it. And that's the thing. It's like, of course, the different people are gonna look at films like that and take different things from them. And it was the person's on who you are as a person. Right. If you're already a psycho, you're going to take that from it and you're going to do what

these guys did. But it's their fault. It's not the movie. And it's kind of like how we discussed with the Jenny Jones show. It was his fault. He's a murderer. Right. But I think people missed the part where we said that. Exactly. Definitely. But you look and you say does it play a role? Sure it does. But it also has to be in in the person conjunction with that person already being an evil person. Exactly. So there it is. I need, you know, I just needed Billy Loomis to help me. Explain that all. Just had to. So, like I said, they were into the screen franchise, but Brian in particular had a real fascination with the Columbine school shooting.

Now, like, when you say that, it's like, okay. I understand it's fine. Fascinated by it, but he took it to another level. Well, that's because I'm fascinated by true crime, obviously. I don't know if you know this. For like 157 episodes in. But fascination is one thing. Obsession and admiration is a totally different thing.

Yeah, and he wasn't just fascinated. What Brian had was an admiration and an envy towards Dylan Clebold and Eric Harris, the two turds that did it. Strange. He wanted to be infamous like them because he said, you know, they were outcasts and they got their cup of come-up and they put the middle finger to the people who made them feel that way. But in reality, like that. Yeah, and if you really look into Columbine, they were just assholes. Like, they were raised up as these like outcasts, you know, like, like putting their middle finger to the like, and it's like, no, they weren't actually, like, they actually

were just dicks. Right, I was going to say. They actually came out that that wasn't the truth at all. Yeah, they're not the heroes to the outsiders. That's not what they are. And but Brian saw it that way, that they were the heroes to the outsiders. That's not what they are. But Brian saw it that way. They were the heroes to the outcasts and the burros. At the time, it was highly publicized like that in that way.

Yeah. Again, if you are someone who wants to murder someone, you're going to find a way to see a murderer or somebody to be admirable. It's just going to validate your own feelings. You got to spin your own tail. Exactly. They both decided together, Torian Brian, that they were going, they were like, you know, it's gonna validate your own feelings. You gotta spend your own tail. Exactly. So they both decided together, Torian Brian, that they were going, they were like, you know what, we wanna start killing people.

Great. They just literally were like this, we just want to do this. It's so insane to me that, especially in high school people like this find each other. Yeah. Like it's bananas. There was no trigger to this.

Like it wasn't a, it wasn't like, oh, we've been bullied and we've had enough and like, you know, not that that's okay, but I mean, like, you can't point to any one thing that happened here that you're like, oh, maybe like that triggered something in their brain. Right. They just literally were like,

do you wanna kill a lot of people? And like the other one was like, yeah. Well, it's like Billy Loomis says, it's scarier if there is no motive. Exactly. Billy is just gonna explain his way through this case. Billy Loomis is the shedding wisdom upon this all- He's a rich whole.

And he's a fake character, so I can say that. I was gonna say it. But yeah, so they wanted, you know, Brian really wanted to be like the Columbine shitheads, and he was like, let's do that. Let's do this mass murder. Tori was like, no, I'd like to be like the Columbine shit heads and he was like, let's do that. Let's do this mass murder. Tori was like, no, I'd like to make this more like scream. I want to make it like personal.

I want to be like, in his mind, he's like, I want to be like Billy Loomis and I want to be like this cool, witty, like I want to have like the hair tendrils in my face and like, you know, I want all that. Can I like say this? I, you can take it out if you want, but I feel like they like presented like power points to each other. Oh yeah, like this know, I want all that. Can I like say this? I, you can take it out if you want, but I feel like they like presented like power points

to each other. Oh yeah. Like this is what I want. Yeah, like, because they both wanted two very different ways of going about this, which shows like how different they, they thought process right? Right. Because they were both evil. They both wanted to hurt and cause destruction and chaos in different levels.

But one of them wanted to do it with a big blaze of glory. Right. What he sees as a big blaze of glory. And then the other one wanted to do it more for the show. That's what he was like in a movie. He wanted to be a jazz hero. He was like, I'd like to be in a movie. So it's like that they saw it in very different ways.

It's interesting. Yeah. But they ended up deferring to Tories, and they were like, you know what, we'll do it the screen way. And Tories, the way he saw it, was, you know, he was like, we can, you know, film ourselves, we're gonna like document this, and he was like, and what we can do is we can like,

dress up, and his idea was, I think, like, Brian, you know, going for the Columbine method was to scare people as they go. But Tori really wanted the theatrics of scaring the shit out of his victim. I've just won person. To him meant like in scream, the ghost face outfit, is the initial, that's the scare. Like you're fucking terrified.

See that? You're like, what the fuck? She wanted that. So he was like, we can wear a mask, we can make this exactly like that. Like get that initial scream. So people who went to high school with them said that they were always filming, like just day-to-day interactions. They were always interviewing people

and just would like put the camera down and just like film them just having a discussion. It's so funny that they could do that because I feel like now in school, you would not ever be allowed to do that. Yeah, I mean, I wonder because I mean, I'm so far out of school, so I feel like. Well, things are so, you can't do anything in school anymore.

But I remember we used to have, like, I loved filming everything. Yeah, you always went everywhere with your fucking pink digital camera and your little handheld black video camera from Papa. Exactly, I always, oh, and I have. And you used to edit movies and put them together of you and your friends.

Yeah, I was like super, I was like very into that stuff. I used to sit for hours on my computer and edit it together with music and all that because we used to go to like ghost hunts and these old abandoned like, you know, psychiatric hospitals around. Yeah. We used to film that and it was like. You used to film going through the Wendy's drive-through ordering a strawberry shade. We filmed every or I filmed everything. And I'm glad I did because it's fun to look back on now. Man, that's funny. But it's just funny to

think of like I could have I was probably looked at as weird. Yeah, which is fine. I probably would have thought you were real weird. You did. I was such a dick. Because I had my black camera everywhere. So, but they did this. So, they would do this. Right.

And they were, they talked often about how they wanted to make their own horror movie. They were writing a script. You know, it was, it was a well-known thing that they wanted to do this. They wanted to make, which is great. That part, you're like, yeah. Well, and people were probably like, cool. Like, that's, it's kind of a movie, which is like, maybe fake. Well, and channel your energy, your creativity.

Channel it into that. But before the murder, they had been videotaping themselves, discussing the murder and killing people. In fact, in school, in class, they were sitting with a camera, sitting on the desk in front of them, and they were discussing how they were going to go about it. Because they had decided now that they were doing this. That's so wild. Like, where were the teachers or the classmates?

Like, where were the people? Well, that's so people would hear them and they'd say, we're discussing the horror movie. We're discussing what, like, our our script you got to look into everything and people are just like okay because they're not thinking They're just sitting there openly talking about killing people and I asked would have been like you guys are going to guidance right so at the end of August 2006 Tori ended up calling up a guy named Joe Lassaro and he was an 18-year-old kid, this guy Joe.

They were 16 at the time and he asked him if he would buy some knives for them at a pawn shop. Now Tori, apparently, according to an anonymous student, had a knife collection. He liked collecting knives, such as something I like to do. So I don't think this rang too many or more of those. Well it's like a very teenage boy thing to do. And because Joe was 18, he could buy them at the pawn shop and Tori and Brian couldn't say. And maybe he had done a firm in the past, like for his collection. Yeah, you don't know.

So along with Brian, Tori and the Sky Joe went together to the pawn shop. Brian took out $45 at an ATM and they ended up buying four knives. I didn't realize you had to be 19 to buy knives. Yeah. Well, it's just to add a pawn shop. I didn't realize you had to be 18 to buy knives. Yeah, well, it's just to add a pawn shop. I didn't realize that. And so one of the videos, there's a lot of videos that were released, the court transcripts are released,

they transcribed the whole video. So these are like directly from, you know, court transcripts. This is fall real. This is fall real. So September 21st, 2006 at 8.05 p.m. The two boys Adam Chick and Draper are sitting in their car and Tory Adam Chick is driving. And Brian Draper is filming from the passenger seat. Okay. Which again, watching these videos,

I was like, this is so fucked because it's like I used to do this I used to film like Lynn my friend Lindsey used to be the one that drove all the time yep I was in the past and actually filming her and we would talk about stupid shit not this shit No, so very different shit. Here's what they say so Brian says we're going for a high death count Oh good and Tori says plus we're not gonna get caught, Brian. If we're going for guns, we're just gonna end it. We're just gonna grab the guns and get out of there and kill everybody and leave.

Like, where do you think you're gonna fucking go? Brian says, we're going to make history. We're gonna make history. And Tori says, for all UFBI agents watching this and Brian starts laughing, which, first of all, wow, you really think FBI agents are gonna watch this fucking dumbass video that YouTube filmed? Yeah.

HBRIGA to you, they're not. It's not gonna get that far because all those prosecutors, like you're giving them exactly what they need. You're just not that interesting. No. You're just dumb and performative. So all they would really do is be like, oh, this is really bad acting.

So, bye. So, Tori says, he says, for all these FBI agents watching this, you weren't quick enough. And then laughs. Oh, God. Like, come on. Like the FBI, like it's like agent hold-in sitting there being like, damn it. We got to catch these two. They're going to cause so much. Like, no. Like, no, this is what you weren't quick enough. What? Like, no one cares about you guys. Doesn't make any sense. And Brian is what you weren't quick enough. What? Like no one cares about you guys doesn't make any sense and Brian says you weren't quick enough and you weren't smart enough And we're going over to and it says it is redacted. It says Jane Doe one's house This was somebody who they didn't end up killing but they tried to oh, I didn't know that part of it

They went they had several people that they had about I think it's like eight or nine Oh shit They were planning on killing but that it just didn't work out that they were home alone. So these people got Cassie, unfortunately, was just wrong place, wrong time. Oh, it was almost just about two. Yeah, it's upsetting. So they say, we're going to snoop over there and see if she's home alone or not. This is Jane Doe one.

Oh my god. I never was a killer. I never realized this part. And if she's not home, splat, she's dead. Oh, okay, boys. So Tori said, don't put your humor into this Brian. And Brian said, I'm not putting any humor into it. Yet people will die and memories will fade. And Tori said, memories will fade.

I wonder what movie you got that from, Brian. And Brian says, myself. And Tori laughs. And Brian Brian says that was from myself and Tory says no wonder it was so lame Like you two are like a weird like argument while you're on your way to go kill Well, no wonder it was so lame. You're both so lame right kidding me like you're sitting here being like FBA I just watch in this like Like, fuck off. Right. You are not cool. You are not interesting.

You are dumb as fuck. And that's what I have to say about that. And it's like, no wonder Cassie didn't give either one of you the time of day. Right? Because she was 100,000 times better than you. So then we go to another one, which is September 21st, 2006 at 8.08 pm.

Now, this is only a couple of days before the murder of Cassie Joe Stoddard. They went somewhere else. They were sitting in their car again. It was a 1994 geo and again, Brian's filming from the passenger seat in Tori is driving. Yeah, so Tori says, in this part, I just had to put this in there

because it just showcases how stupid they are and how they're trying to be so performative and theatrical and be very like Billy Loomis and Stu Mocker. Like they're trying to be very witty and like, you know, someday they're gonna show these films and everybody's gonna be like, well, what cool guys? You know what I mean?

And it's like meanwhile, it's second-hand embarrassment how dumb and fucking lame they are. What did he say? So Tori says the point of making is, we are also taught that things like killing people and other things is wrong. The only thing it's wrong about it is because it's breaking the law, and the law is only wrong, and then he mumbles and like can't finish his sentence because he didn't plan out his fucking monologue. Because this doesn't make any sense, anyways.

And Brian says, natural selection, dude, natural selection. That's all I gotta say. It's not natural selection. Oh, honey, honey baby, sweetie pie. That's not how that works, Brian. No. That's not natural selection. I was good at this is not natural.

When you murder people, you're selecting. It's not natural. That's not nature. Nature is not selected. That's you. For more advantageous traits. That's not how that is. That's actually natural. That's not nature. Nature is not selected. That's you for more advantageous traits. That's not that that is actually very unnatural. That's very unnatural. That's a musung unnatural selection. Like you are so dumb. So dumb. It's just natural selection. It's like you say that makes me really upset. As soon as he said that, I'm like, oh, you're trying so hard. And then, Tori says, there should be no log

and killing people. I know it's wrong, but. And then Brian says natural selection. And I'm like, oh, stop though. Meanwhile, he just said like killing people's only wrong because the law says it is, but the law shouldn't be there because it's wrong. I know it's wrong, but it's not wrong.

But it's not wrong. And then Tori says, hell, hell, you restrict somebody from it, they're just gonna want it more. And then Tori says, hell, hell you restrict somebody from it, they're just gonna want it more. And then Brian says, exactly. Good bye, camera. Good bye, camera. Good bye, Brian, you're rotten and fucking prison now. Can you imagine?

So, fuck off. Being mad, damn. Oh, just watching these, I was like, I'm so glad both of you are just rotting. Which spoiler alert, they're rotting in prison right now. Yeah, that's not even a spoiler alert. That's just like a, just so you can sit through the rest of this hold on to this This is almost like a BTK level of like disgust I have for these two because I feel like it's a little it's a little worse

It's a different kind of it's a modern. It's a modern BTK. It's a modern disgust But I have I like that modern disgust modern disgust good band name. I call it great. They called it. You got to add that to the list. If anybody has a list of the bad names, we have said, yeah, can you send that? We called them. You can't. You can't have them. And I want them. I need to know. So then we have another one. It says September 21st, 2006, the same night. This is around 815 pm. They're in the car. Again, Tori's driving. Brian is filming from the passenger seat. Brian says,

My friends too pussy to go investigate. Turn here. And then Tori says, too smart, you mean? Okay. I don't mean that. Who's like, nope. And then they start talking about, you know, like,

you know, turn right, turn left. Why aren't you going down here? Why are you going so slow? Like, they're just starting to pick her with each other. I'm like, are you guys even friends? Yeah. Are you okay? Like are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Right. Do you need to talk? Right. And so then they say, so then Brian says, now we're going to go over to Cassie and Max, Matt's house. Uh oh. Cassie and her boyfriend. And this was the night before. This was the night before. And then they say, if they're home alone, we're gonna, and Tori cuts him off and says,

it's Cassie's house, Matt is there. And so it sounds to me like Tori gets very annoyed with Brian a lot and is like that friend that's like, shut the fuck up. Like they actually hate each other. If you listen to them talk, you'd be like, do you, you don't like him? Have you seen those memes lately where it's like,

did you have that like friend in high school that absolutely hated you and ruined your life, but you were still friends or are you normal? That's exactly. It sounds like Tori was that friend of Brian. Like no giving Brian any credit because he's also a dick. If I think about some of the friends that I had in high school, I'm like,

oh, that makes sense. Like, oh, there it is. We've all been there. So Brian says Matt is there. Sorry, we're gonna go knock on the door. We'll see who's there. We'll see if the parents are home or not. If they're home Sorry, we're gonna go knock on the door, we'll see who's there, we'll see if the parents are home or not, if they're home alone, we'll leave our way,

and then we'll come back in about 10 minutes. We'll sneak in through the door because chances are they're probably in Cassie's room, so we'll sneak in the front door, we'll make a noise outside, and then Tori says, and Matt will come out to investigate. I love how they, this is proofs to me that they are truly like stupid enough to be influenced

by anything they see. Because they're being like, and Matt will come out to investigate. It's like, no, people do that in movies, you idiot. Well, that's the thing. Nobody comes out and says, hello, is anyone there? Like, that doesn't really happen. I'm real like, I do that.

Like, that's not a thing. I don't even come outside and investigate. And Brian says, we'll kill him. And we'll scare the shit out of Cassie, OK? And Tori says, sounds like fun. And then Brian says, stay tuned. Oh no. So same night, 836, so a little while later,

same thing in the car. And Brian says, we found our victim. And sad as it may be, she's our friend. But you know what, we all have to make sacrifices. Our first victim is going to be Cassie Stoddard and her friends. So they're literally sitting there being like, it's our friend, but you know, we got to kill someone. It's like, that's not your friend at all. I'm like, you don't know what a friend is if it slapped you in the face. Well, I'm like, you guys aren't even each other's friends. You are friends, right? Yeah, you hate each other.

Tori says, so then Tori yells at another car for having bright lights on. Okay. And Brian says, we'll let you, we'll find out if she has friends over if she's going to be alone in a big dark house in the middle of nowhere and then he laughs and says, how perfect can you get? I mean, like, holy shit, dude.

So they're just, they're loving this. And Tori says, now this is the Tori that we're gonna find out later. And his dumbass parents are sitting there being like, I didn't have anything to do with this. I know, it was all Brian. Right. Tori responds to that with, I'm horny just thinking about it.

It's like you didn't have anything to do with that. Really? Like the thought of killing somebody gets you going? Sounds, if you're talking about getting a reaction from it, it sounds to me like you're involved. Right. I don't know. That's just me.

I don't have a penis to say so, but I feel like you need to have some involvement. Yep. Emotionally or otherwise. Yeah. So like fuck off, Tori. I hate this dude. I hate this dude. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed?

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Download the app today. So then Brian says, hell yeah, so we're gonna fucking kill her and her friends and we're gonna keep moving on. And then he says, I heard some news about and it says Jane Doe too. So another person that they were gonna kill. And he said, she's gonna be home alone from six to seven

So we might kill her first and then drive over to Cassie's thing scare the shit out of them and kill them one by fucking one hell yeah Oh my god, and they're talking to the camera about this like right like you can see their face Like just talking about their night. This is what we're gonna do Why don't you like post away messages along the way too? Just to really point drive the point home. Well, and Tori says, why one by one? Why can't it be a slaughterhouse?

Are you okay? No, he's not. Like Tori, are you all right? Like Tori, come on, come on. I didn't have anything to do with it, but why can't it be a slaughterhouse? Why one by one? And it's like, what?

How, like, why can't it be a slaughterhouse? Because it's not a slaughterhouse story. Because it's a home. That's why you can't have it be a slaughter. Fuck off, Tori. It just doesn't make any sense. And then Brian says two by two and three by three. Now it's apparently a nursery rhyme. I don't. I don't know where we go. There's, you're saying that one of these girls is home alone. So that's that equals one one then there's Cassie and maybe Matt That's two and there's two of you so you're gonna probably kill them one like this and also your plan doesn't even make any One by he's like, why does it have to be one by one? It's like oh, I don't know Tori because you don't have anything

But a knife on you right what do you think you're gonna do create something that like flies around you and just Kills everybody all at once you have a knife when you guys think. What do you think you're gonna do? Create something that like flies around you and just kills everybody all at once. You have a knife. When you guys think that you can do each of them alone, like you can take somebody down like, wow, you really, like the height of hubris, I will say. Well, this is where it just like, again, is so embarrassing for them.

And that's why I'm reading these things because this is embarrassing for them. This is not painting them in any kind of charming, witty, like any light. I'm sure everybody could agree, like they sound fucking stupid and perform it as fuck. So they say, you know, two by two or three by three. And then Brian says,

cause we've got to keep it classy. What is, like what? And Tori says, keep it classy. Keep, what, Keep what clap? Keep murder classy? I'm confused. You see that, but I don't think you know what that means. Like keep it classy.

Gotta keep it classy. When you're murdering. If to me it sounds like two like bozos sitting in a car, trying to talk big and talk. Saying the most cliche things they could possibly think of. And literally have no ad living skills, what's it cannot riff for fucking the life of them. Don't understand a yes and.

So the first thing they do is just like, what have I heard before? Keep a classy. You know? Like, it is what it is. Like, what? That does nothing to do with what you're saying. Say lovey.

But okay, like sure. like a pie in the sky I don't like like what The answer marching in Hurrah That's literally as like that's closer to what is happening bring around the Rosie am I right? You don't pocket full of Posey, you know what I'm saying asheshes. So Brian says so yeah, it's gonna be extra fun. And then Tori says extra fun. Tori says you're evil and then laughs. And Brian says yes I am. So are you dude? Evil. Evil. Evil. Evil. And then he torches. No. Evil is an

expression of God. That was another test you failed. He's like also I fucking hate. So Brian says evil is not an expression of God. And Tori says you failed. He's like, also, I fucking hate him. So Brian says evil is not an expression of God. And Tori says, yes, it is. And Brian says, that's bullshit. And you know it. So they start fighting. And then they camera like falls to the ground because they're fist fighting. And then they started talking about what Satan is and where Satan came from. And Tori is very high. Tori is that kid too. That's like, I talk like this and let me tell you I'm so intelligent and articulate. Oh god. But nothing is coming out of his mouth. Right. He's using words and sounding mildly intelligent at times. And he's probably just repeating the same word and talking in circles. He sings stupid

shit like evil is an expression of God and then being then when you're like, please elaborate, he's like, well, purple. He's like, purple monkeys eat bananas when they eat a peanut butter sandwich. And that's expressive. And like I said, God, sight. And it's like, okay, evil. And certain dumbasses will be like, wisdom. He's so, he's so, but it sounds like Brian was like, uh, bullshit. And then they just start arguing with each other. And you're like, okay. So then they get to the point where Brian says, okay, we're bad.

We're not evil. Because now he's, all right, you've convinced me. And then Tori's like bad to the bone. And then Brian says, burn in and in. And then he says, so we're bad. And Tori says, yeah, we're bad. And then Brian comes back and says, that says so we're bad and Tori says yeah, we're bad and then Brian like Comes back and says that sounds so shitty it does and

Then Tori says we're evil that sounds even shittier So now they can't even decide what they are This is the level we are working with people we're malicious We are working with that they can't even decide whether to call each other bad or evil. And then Brian says, Hey, we're not okay. Then we are six, then we're six psychopaths who get their pleasure off killing people. And Tori says, that sounds good, baby. Wait, they're six psychopaths. No, they're six psychopaths. Oh, I was like, I thought there's nothing to them. Like now they're confused about how many there are.

And this is when they get even dumber. I feel like, I mean, obviously they had to be like psychopathic to kill somebody. Yeah, but it's like, I feel like they wanted to be like psychically. Oh no, they want to be so many things. Right. And they're, they're shoe horning themselves

into their ideas of what cool, quote unquote, killers from movies look like. And that's, that's what they think real life is. So they're like, oh, we're going to be cool. This has really been seen. Yeah. So then Brian says, we're going to be murderers. Like, let's see. And then for a second, you're like, oh, you can't even name a real murderer, can you? Like, that's how it'll prepare you are for this lifestyle. You can't even name another one. And he says Ted Bundy, like the hillside strangler. Like the two most notable like you could name. There were two hillside stranglers. Right. It's not just one. Right. So

failed. You're doing great, sweetie. Keep going. Well, and also like name a serial killer, Ted Bundy, really. And then Tori just goes, no. And Brian says, the zodiac killer. Oh, another one. And then Tori says, those people, ready for like this, who's so cool. Tori says those people were more amateurs compared to what we're going to do.

Oh. We're going to be more of higher sources of ed, gg, gene, can't think of it. And then Brian says, gene, and then Tori says, gene. Oh, and, oh my god, this gets worse.

Now, here's what's funny to me. It's like, okay, so Ted Bundy and the Hillside Stranglers, two of the worst, but definitely. 100% or excuse me, three of the worst, two of the worst. And now you're being like, no, we're gonna be up on edge gain level. And it's like, well, if you knew anything, you'd have to kill your mom.

Well, not kill your mom, but. Killed like a couple people. Not that that's like, not terrible, but it's like, 10 money killed like dozens and dozens of people in horrific ways. Well, it's like, are you guys gonna start like robbing graves and wearing skin? That's the thing, I'm like, so wait, now we've turned.

So now, do you only wanna kill a couple of people, maybe? Right. And then use their skin as lampshades, like that. And teacups? Because you're confusing your serial killers here. Yeah. Like, read up. If you're gonna start spouting this shit out.

I think they just knew the names and they were like, for sure they did. Notables to realize. And jeans a big one, right? And it's like, yeah, but not for the reasons that you're thinking of. Like a not body count if that's what you're talking. Yeah. Like if we're really talking bodies. And then they start talking about like, you know, wait, was was he the one that saw a girl walking down the street and he just decided to do it like they're literally trying to figure out like wait Who's who? Right one. Yeah

So then at the end of it Brian says murderous power murderous freedom. Goodbye. Oh Murder isn't freedom because you are rotting in jail for the right actually got locked up so Do you feel free Brian? Yeah, and So do you feel free, Brian? Yeah. And they were saying he actually confused Ed Geen with Ed Kemper as well. Tori says, oh, he was the one that saw a girl walking down the street and said, two questions came to his head. Hmm, I could take her out and have a nice time with her.

And then Brian says, and then killer, skinner alive? No, no. No, none of that, actually. Did you say that at all? And then Tori says, charm the pants off her. in our life? No, no. None of that, actually. You were a great friend. To say that at all. And then Tori says, charm the pants off her. Or I wonder what her head would look like on a stick? Are you okay?

So they're just like, do you need multiple choice? And I'm like, did you just open the Encyclopedia of serial killers and then just like speed read really quick and then just be like, what the? You want to do that thing on like how to be a millionaire where it's like 50-50? Like what?

You got, you got. Like you're bad at this. It's not okay. You've combined. You guys should've listened to episode three of Edward Kapper. Don't combine your ads. No. No.

Figure out your ads. Well, there's Edward and then there's Ed. Edmund. Oh, fuck. You just fucked it up. I did. Am I all right? There's an Edmund and this Ed game.

And you know what? Shit, I'm embarrassed for myself right now. They fucked it up. Edward. Edward Kapper. This Edward. I'm all right. So then we come to the night of the murder September 22, 2006. This is them in the they're sitting or excuse me it wasn't the night. I'm sorry it was the day of the murder. Okay. This was somewhere around noon time they're in school. They're sitting at a table in school in

an actual classroom. They have the table in front of them. I'm sure that, you know, it's high school. There was plenty of times where you were in a class and like they just had you do some busy work. Yeah. Like there's no actual instruction. You got a substitute teacher. You're teaching them in a meeting. Exactly. So they're sitting at the table. The camera's facing them on the table. And then you can tell they're like crouched down to be in frame. First of all, and also like they're looking around, like darting their eyes around, like making sure no one's listening to them. Because remember, they're simultaneously so brave and complete fucking turds.

And also talking about murder and broad daylight. So Brian says, hopefully this will go smoothly and we can get our first kill done and keep going. They're trying to get this in class. How did nobody hear this? And then Tori says, for you future serial killers watching this tape, like this is gonna be a how-to that the FBI is gonna release.

Cause you think the FBI is even gonna watch this in the first place. The fact, like I gotta give it to him, the confidence on this kid. Like somebody's gonna actually upload this to YouTube in the future. The FBI are gonna watch this and be stumped. And also future serial killers, they're gonna be like, you know, those 16 year old guys. I gotta find that dumbass kid's tape where he confuses 16 serial killers. And he's gotta teach me how to do it because like wow.

And so they start laughing like they're like giggling with each other. Oh God. And then Tori says, hopefully we don't have, he said, hopefully you, he's talking to future serial killers. Yeah, the viewer, you know, hopefully you don't have like eight or nine failures like we've had. Oh, and Brian says, yeah, we've probably tried like maybe 10 times and they've never been home alone.

So, and you think people are gonna watch this and be like, oh, I got to do it like they did. I'd be like, you guys really got this down to a second. And it's like, oh, you're so brave. They weren't home alone, so you couldn't go in. Yeah, well, and then turn them close. I'm gonna say they didn't. Or when they have been home, their parents show up, which I'm like, jeez, crap. Can you, the amount of girls, or maybe guys too, because they all seem to be Jane. Well, that was gonna say, most of them are Jane though. I haven't seen John though yet,

but all these girls who were like, this close potential, well, it's like in-screen when her parents come home and they're like, right there and they're like, oh my God. And in the movie, and she can't say anything. And I I'm always like throw that giant 90s phone at your mom and make it sound but she'd been stabbed at that point like really hard yeah but she could have thrown it I don't come on Drew Barrymore you

could have you could have thrown it I'm just or may or bang it against the porch and make noise that's true yeah she could have done that she could have see we're all right you What is it called? You're the final girl. I am a final girl. I'm totally a final girl. I'm a first kill girl. You are. First kill. You are. Blond. Blond. Screams. Yeah. You really are. Trendy. You're gonna die. Well, and then this is the part where up until now it's all been discussion and it's been stupid and it's all been things that we can make fun of because nothing has happened yet. Now we're going to get to the serious part.

It's serious because now we've gotten to the point where it is no longer this hypothetical thing that these two idiots are just talking about They're now the next thing that because even now they're talking about how they've missed opportunities because people have shown out parents have shown up Right, and you're like, yeah, that's fucked in what we know now But at the time you could be like you're just dumb like this is not you're just talking right? I'll talk you're talking shit. Well then Brian looks into the camera. Oh no. And he says, as long as you're patient, you know,

and we were patient, and now we're getting paid off because our victim's home alone. So we got her. Our plan all worked out now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Cassie's family, but she had to be the one. We have to stick with the plan and she's perfect, so she's gonna die, and then they both laugh.

In the middle of class, I can't believe that, not one fucking person heard about was concerned. That piece of shit to look into that camera and go, sorry Cassie's family, I can't even imagine her family, how they feel knowing that that little shit heard looked dead in the camera and said whoops sorry well in the one sitting next room wants to claim that he had nothing to do with it I'm like then why were you sitting there the whole time exactly why didn't you tell somebody you did have

something to do with that both are equally there equally as fucked so September 22nd 2006 the same day This is the day that Cassie Joe Stoddard was murdered. So Cassie had agreed to house it for her aunt and uncle. And it was like a big nice house. The home was in a place called Whispering Cliffs, which doesn't sound real at all. No, it really does. But apparently it is. What's the town in screen?

What's it called? Shit. I know. Westboro. Westboro. What's the town in screen? What's it called? Shit. I know. Westboro. Westboro. Yeah. And yeah, so, is it Westboro, right?

It's West something. I'll look it up all your time. It's Burrow. Okay. Shit. I can't believe I can't remember that. That's like revoking my horror card. What's the town in screen?

I can't remember. Well, what's Burrow? What's Burrow uh, whisper? Oh, I can't remember. Well, what's burrow? What's burrow? I was going to say, I knew it was creepier. And I knew West didn't make sense, but I was like, there's a burrow. What's burrow? What's burrow?

So this is whispering clips. So it sounds like it's a similar vibe. We got to dub ya. Right. And, you know, it's a crazy whisper, whispering clip. Fuck. You want to keep saying whisper, uh, whispering clips is a crazy ass name. It is. Like, that's a cool name for it clots. You ought to keep saying whisper. Whispering Cliffs is a crazy ass name.

It is. Like that's a cool name for a play. It's very spooky. I don't want the clips to whisper to me. Anything whispering is like, don't, don't. Now, her aunt and uncle's name were Allison and Frank Contreras. She also had a 13 year old cousin who lived in that house.

They were away for a few days. They'd asked her just to house it. They had animals, they had dogs, and they were like, can you just hang out with them, feed them, walk them, you know, just stay in the house. So she's thinking, like, cool, that's totally fine. She was a very helpful kid. You know, she loved her family, so she was like, absolutely, I'll do that. She asked them ahead of time. She said, can Matt come over and watch movies? Is that okay? her. She asked them ahead of time. She said, can Matt come over and watch movies? Is that okay? Because again, good kid. Right. Trying to like pull a fast wrong. Anyone. They said, of course, they knew Matt, they knew her. So they were like totally.

Absolutely. Now, while they're watching TV that night, they're watching a movie just hanging out. Torian Brian show up at the house at around 637-ish. Yeah. and Cassie initially was like kind of annoyed because she was like I'm just gonna hang out with Matt. Well, and she's like I didn't ask if you could come over and she's like you two are fucking weird As fuck and I don't want you in the show. Do you remember who it was that like her was a Brian? Well, it turns out later that it came out that both of them. Oh, well, they both hate each other so that makes sense and Tori so Brian was the one who I said had a crush on her. Later it came out that Tori had had a crush on her for years. Oh shit.

So it seems like there was a lot of pent up aggression. Little, little bitch energy that they couldn't handle. The fact that this girl was not into them. Yeah. I think that was a little bit a part of that. I was gonna say, probably, probably part of that. Well, she was probably, I'm sure she knew, at least, one of them like terms, this is uncomfortable.

Yeah, I'm sure she was like, I don't want these two people over that are weird to me. Right. But they came over, they were friends with Matt. Matt was, by all accounts, not part of any of this. He was never found to be part of any of this. That's good. Well, when Matt and Tori came, she was like, they were like, oh, I thought this

was a party. And they were, who she was like, no, like I'm house sitting and rug sitting like you're stupid. She was like, no one else is coming. They had apparently asked other people to come and they never showed up. So they were trying to start like a weird party, which I'm assuming they were trying to make it like the party at stew's house at the end of scream. And it's like, no, but no one likes you.

So no one showed up. Well, and also how did you think that you were going to do that? Like, like stew and Billy did. That's what they managed it. That's what they were thinking of. Like they were thinking we are Bill and Billy and stew. It's just so. And like, also do you really feel like they didn't got away with it either?

That's the other thing. Like, did you watch till the end of the movie? It didn't end well for them. It would probably end the same for you. And it's even weirder because in the movie, Stu is like, I always had a thing for you, Sid. I know. That is a weird thing.

Isn't it weird? You know what the issue is though? These are two stews. You literally took the words out of me. Did I? I was just about to say. There's no Billy. They both wanted to be Billy.

They were both students. We got a couple students. They're both idiots. It's below deck. I mean, I love stew in the movie, but they were stewing real life. What is he saying? Are you gonna call my mom's gonna kill me?

My parents are gonna be so mad at me. That's what he says. He's an idiot. In fact, to the seriousness, I'm sorry. Yeah,. That's what he says. He's an idiot. In fact, I'm serious. I'm sorry. Yeah, you got to break it, because this is a heavy one. So breaking it up is just something we got on down.

Right. Something we do. It's light-hearted. It's a light-hearted nightmare in here. So, yeah. So they showed up. Cassie was a little annoyed about it, but she just went with it. And she was like, we're watching a movie, you can watch a movie with us.

That's where you can get the fuck out. So they decided to watch one of the killbills because I was like a big movie at the time. So about two, it was a couple of hours in that Tori and Bram were like, I'm bored. I'm leaving. And they were like, we're gonna go to a movie theater and watch a movie, which is like, oh, okay, you're bored watching a movie here, but yeah, totally go pay to watch a movie. Right, idiots. So they got in the car and drove a little ways away from the house.

They then changed into all dark clothing, dark sneakers. They were wearing like black, one of them at least was wearing black converse, which I was like, don't ruin black converse. I was gonna say, come on. They put on these masks. These masks, we will post a photo of them in the Instagram because Holy Hell.

I haven't seen the mask, but they were clown masks, right? They were not. Okay. These masks, all I can think about is poor Cassie. They were really scary. Come, because seeing these masks, I'm like, that poor girl. I wanna look it up right now, but you can't.

Basically, the mask was a white mask, like a plain white mask, but on it, it had blood all over it. Like it was bleeding from the eyes and the mouth and the nose. Oh, it's gone. And it's just this horrifying, it's a horrifying mask. To see that coming at you in your house would be unbelievable. I can't imagine.

So they each took a knife with them. They're all dressed up in their costume and They drove back and parked near the house again. Right. So this is when so then they filmed themselves in the car while they're when they were parking and Brian says we're here in the car the time is 9.50 September 22nd, 2006 Um Unfortunately, we have the grueling task of killing our two friends, and they are right in that house down the street. What is wrong? I hate them so much. Yeah, and Tori says we just talked to them. We were there for an hour or so, but...

And then Tori says, we checked out the whole house. We know there's lots of doors. There's lots of places to hide. I unlocked the back doors. It's all unlocked. Now we just got to wait and yep, we're really nervous right now, but you know, we're ready. And Tori said, we're listening to the greatest rock band ever. Who are they listening to? Brian says we've waited for this for a long time. And Tori says, Pink Floyd, before we commit the ultimate crime of murder, you got it. You know, they really had to go for it, which is like, don't fucking sell you pink Floyd either. Like fuck you guys. And Brian says, we've waited for this for a long time. Tori says a long time. And Brian says, well, stay tuned. And then the camera goes off. Now they walked to the basement door. And they walk right in because

like he said, it's unlocked because they did it before. Because a lot of people, I remember reading this soon, I was like, why was that basement door on the floor there? Because I didn't know at first that what he had done was during watching the movie, Brian said, I gotta go to the bathroom, got up, went downstairs, unlocked the door, and then came back upstairs. So the pre-meditation here is so beyond,

I mean, they would never be able to argue. They set up the entire house. They had costumes on. They had set the whole thing up. They videotaped themselves. They have talked about it. They were like, it was actually self-defense. The most premium, it meditated the thing ever.

And then to go downstairs and unlock that door. That just feels it. So they went into the back, they went into the basement door, again, wearing the whole get up and everything. And they tried to make a lot of noise downstairs because they wanted to scare them. So they were throwing shit on the floor, they were stomping, they were doing all kinds of shit, and they're thinking Matt's going to come down to investigate thing in a kill mat, and then they're going to go up and scare the shit out of Cassie and kill her.

Oh, I didn't know that they were planning to kill Matt. I thought they were solely in this for Cassie and killer. Oh, I didn't know that they were planning to kill Matt. I thought they were solely in this for casting. No, they were they fit Well, they were more in this for Cassie. That was their main goal. Right, but they had said and I think I say it later, but they had said that They they basically said if he tries to protect her, they will kill him. Okay. Okay, which they were actually friends with Matt So yeah, there were more friends with Matt than they were casting. Exactly. No matter what. It's wrong, but it's like, they were actually like, bros with Matt.

So for them to just be like, we'll just kill him if he tries to protect his girlfriend from us murdering her. It's like, clearly they're so too wrong. Like, that's insane. So they're like, you know, someone's going to come down and we're going to attack them. Well, they were super freaked out upstairs because they were hearing noises and the dogs were starting to get nervous.

The dogs were barking at the basement door and shit, which was freaking them out, but they were like, we're gonna sit on this couch. We're not gonna go investigate because we've seen movies and we know that you don't do that. Well, you're in unfamiliar territory too. So it's like, even more like, I don't wanna go.

And I think it's just one of those things. It's like, you know what? Let's say put, let's just sit here and we'll see what happens. Right. So no, they don't come down. So 15 minutes after they had, or excuse me, this was 15 minutes after they had left them.

So this was not long after they had already but they changed. We're gonna go see a movie in a theater. This was very close after, because again, they just changed and came right back. Yeah. So all of a sudden, the power goes out. Oh, fuck that. On the house.

This was Torian Bryan, cutting the power from downstairs. Right. And it was like a circuit breaker in the basement. So Matt and Cassie, they just turned off the fuse. They just turned everything off. So Matt and Cassie stay in the living room again,

because they're like, we're not, it's now it's a pitch black house. We're not going around. Oh my god. Cassie was so scared. Yeah. And Matt says Cassie was in the living room again because they're like, we're not. It's now it's a pitch black house. We're not going around. That's God. Cassie was so scared. Yeah. And Matt says Cassie was very freaked out. He said he was freaked out, but he was trying to be like very like strong for her. And he said suddenly like a few of the lights go back on. So Cassie's really freaking out.

And she's like, well, because that doesn't have like that's weird. What the fuck's going on so Matt said again one of the dogs was like really giving them like cause for concern because he was like talking at he was like looking at the basement door and then he'd come back to them and then go back to the basement and they were like oh this puppy so Matt's like all right so he's like let me call my mom and he's like I'm gonna ask her if I can stay here tonight because I don't want you staying by yourself. I know you're freaked out.

So he calls his mom and he's like, Cassie's really freaked out. All the power just went off. It's a huge house. It's just kind of out in the middle of nowhere. Like we're, I don't know. I don't know if I stay here. And his mom was like, oh no.

Cause they were 16. 16. I get. Yeah, 100% I get it. She's like, that's cute. You think that it's gonna end with like, oh absolutely. And he's gonna, no.

Like she was like, no. And so she was like, no, and not only that, I'm coming to get you now. Like, you're, I know what you're trying to do. Which is sad because. Good try son. That's not what he was trying to do. No, it wasn't, but she was like, she was being a mama.

That's really sad. Good try, son. So he's like, all right, cool. So this is like the one case where the kid actually, like, he had noble intention. Right. So his mom comes to get him and she's like, and he asks again, like, are you sure I can't say you're here and she's like, no, she's like, this is,

this is cute. So she's like, you know what, Cassie, do you want to come to our house? Which, that's very nice So she's like, you know what, Cassie, do you want to come to our house? Which, that's very nice. That's very nice of her. So she's like, there's supervision over there. Yeah, she was like, I'll be there.

So, and that's what she said. She was like, you're not seeing unsupervised in an empty house together, but you can come to my house where I am. And she was like, you know, we can make sure you get back here. Like, but why don't you spend the night there? and you don't have to worry about any of this? Well, Cassie was like, that's really nice of you, but no, thank you, because she was like,

I promised my aunt, Uncle, I would stay here and take care of the dogs. I don't want to let them down. Oh my God. Ugh. Well, that just goes to show who she was. It keeps proving what a good kid she was. She said this is what she wanted to do.

She was just trying to be, you know, and she was trying to be like strong and be like, nope, it's fine. I'm going to take care of my business that I need to take care of, like, good for her, but like fuck. So he leaves. And when he left with his mom, he ended up calling Tori because again, they're bros. And he called Tori and was like, yeah, I'm not going to be able to come out at all tonight because I think he was thinking at one point that he was gonna leave Cassie and go hang out with them again.

Yeah. And because it was a Friday night. So. And his mom was like, no, and his mom was like, for the coming home. Right, she's like, I'm not driving anywhere else. She's like, shit's getting weird.

That's just like, you need to come up. So he calls Tori and he's like, oh, I just left Cassie. Oh, fuck. Unknowingly being like, she's home alone. Right. And he was like, and I think he told him, like, you know, I was trying to stay there, but my mom won't let me.

And now I can't come out at all. Well, because Tim, he's talking to his bro. Yeah. You wouldn't think twice about telling your friend that your girlfriend or boyfriend is home alone. It's your friends. And that's because that's the thing I think a lot of people are gonna be like, oh, big, I don't ever tell people you're home alone, but it's like, no.

These are your friends. Exactly, that's the thing. And it home alone, but it's like, no, these are your friends. Exactly, that's the thing, and it's like, who can you trust if you can't trust your friend? Right, like how many times have you been like, oh hey, I'm gonna be alone tonight, do you wanna come over? Exactly. And then like, so and so will Tyler, boyfriend, oh, she's gonna be home alone tonight,

like I'm gonna go over there. Exactly. And that's so unfortunately, by doing that, he kinda gave him the green line. The clear. So people say they think he, a lot of gave him the green light. The clear. So people say they think he, a lot of people would be like, you know, they thought he was involved somehow, especially because of this phone call. People thought it was weird.

I understand that, but I get why people initially, because honestly initially when I first glossed over it, Oh, when I first heard the case, I was like, he's involved. I was like sketchy sketchy. He was given the green light being like, so I'm alone now fellas, but but knowing that they had plans to hang out later that night. And it's like The evidence shows there's also evidence later that comes out. That's like a burned note that they had written in a notebook And in that note they say that they were planning to kill Cassie But again, if Matt had tried to do anything, they were gonna kill Matt. Right, so obviously he did not know about this.

It seems like they weren't in Cajuts. It seems like he just didn't know that his friends were psychos. Well, now this poor kid, his friends did this too. His girlfriend, he has like survivor skill. And now he's gotta think about the grieving of his girlfriend, and yeah, I just, that's a lot.

Yeah. So they end yeah, I just, that's a lot. Yeah. So they end up, you know, they went once the mom and the boyfriend leave. The lights go off again completely. Because before they were like, that poor girl. And Cassie is terrified. But she's like, I'm gonna stay in this living room.

I'm gonna stay in on this couch. I'm not moving. Right. I'm not going to look for it. I'm not going to go turn on that circuit breaker. I'm just going to sit here, which she is a braver soul than I, because I would have been like, I don't even know what I would have done.

I would have been out the front door. I would have been leaving. But it's like she's in the middle of nowhere. Where do you go? Oh, I'm not saying anything is right here. I'm just like my instinct would be to get the fuck out of the dark. I don't even know what I would do.

Pitch blackness is very heavy to me, and that would have been too much for me to handle. And I'm assuming, you know, if all the power is going out, she doesn't even have the TV. Oh, God. She's just sitting in pitch blackness. It's like, oh my God,

that must have been so scary. And she could have been like paralyzed with fear. I mean, that is a thing. That's such a thing. In Torium Brian, again, had cut the power, and they had hoped that she was gonna come down to fuck with the circuit breaker That's it. They're they're assuming a shit ton and they're being proven wrong again and again

Right because they keep assuming that it's going to be like a movie and people are gonna come investigate This is real-life basements and like out in the middle of nowhere But it's real life and people are we'll just sit on the couch and not move and when she didn't they were like all right Whatever we're just gonna go up there. So that's when they walk upstairs and their masks, holding their knives and they stomp up the stairs, which can you fucking imagine that? I'm like, I almost wanna cry right now.

It gives me heart palpitations. So think about sitting and dealing with the anxiety that she's already been dealing with. And then to hear somebody stomping up two people. Two people. Two people. I would be, because imagine one person stomping up the stairs and then imagine hearing double that. Yeah. Hearing two, like, and you're mind you like are there more than two people? Oh, yeah. Like what is happening right now? And when they got to the top, Brian slammed a door at the top to scare her even further.

Oh my God. And so then they walked in the living room and just attacked her. Yeah. Like just full on attack. Tore started, Tore started stabbing her. That's weird. I thought I didn't have anything to do with that. Yeah.

I thought I didn't even want to be there. Brian soon followed. So both of them ended up stabbing her multiple times. The autopsy showed that she was stabbed between 28 and 30 times. Oh my God. There were two different knives used. So two different. People can fuck right off pretending

that he didn't have anything to do with it. And 12 of those stab wounds were considered to be potentially fatal. So the rest of them were just superficial. Potentially. Not even superficial. They were full-blown wounds. They just superficial, not even superficial. They were full blown wounds. They just weren't fatal.

Okay. One knife, it had a serrated blade and it had inflicted 11 of those potentially fatal wounds. So one blade, one person had inflicted almost all of the fatal wounds with a serrated blade. The second one was not serrated and it inflicted one of the fatal wounds, and then a bunch of the non-fatal wounds. So both of them had involvement in the potentially fatal wounds. They were both... they both killed her. Like, it is proven. Then they just left, left her on the floor, didn't clean anything up, just walked out. All the animal survived right? Yes

Unfortunately, they had to deal with that but because it was like two Full days before somebody came home so those dogs were just walking around and my god I don't say unfortunately like they unfortunately didn't kill the dogs, but I'm like unfortunately They had to live in that house for days dogs are like and dogs probably are like yeah, I can help I'm sure so then then they, you know, they leave and they go home and they're on their way home. And when they're on their way home, I'm just going to quickly play you the thing that really nails them to the wall when it came down to trying to, you know, really charge them with first degree murder and all that good stuff

This is what they did immediately upon leaving Just disappeared dude, I'm gonna kill the Cassie Oh fuck that felt like a balloon I mean my soul's not as nothing but a gum we gotta get our ass straight So to me It seems like Brian is a Bumbling idiot. I mean they both are they're both complete fucking idiots But to me this shows Brian to be more of like, whoa, murder. Like the stew, you know, the stew.

And then it seems like Tori became more cunning and calculated in this moment because later, his defense will use the fact that Brian said, I just killed Cassie. I just, I just stabbed her in the neck. I watched this. He never says we and Tori never interjects to say he didn't. I did too because he probably thought on the occasion that we don't get away with this. Yeah. He was like, well, he was just preparing. He was. Yeah.

And you can tell he, because the next thing out of his mouth is shut the fuck up. We need to get our back straight. And for and I it's like he all the sudden became this cunning fucking psycho and it's it's strange and unnerving. It will watch. There's a shift in his even in his voice. Yeah. But like the planning to then the murder and afterwards he even he sounds different. He does because when he's talking he's like M-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m- do somehow they later did produce a movie ticket, but it was not, it wouldn't match up with the time, it didn't match up with any of the story. So they did attempt to use it as an alibi, and they attempted to get it taken.

But they even fucked that up. But later they talked to the movie theater people, and they were like, yeah, no, they did not buy it. Well, I think a girl that went to high school with them worked at the movie theater, and she was like, yeah, no, I didn't see that. Yeah, she was like, no, I would have seen them. Like, you try, though. So they ended up going back to Tories House.

They pack up all the costumes and the tape and the knives. Everything that has something to do with what they did that night, including the tapes, which is like, what was the point of making it? What do you mean to do? Because then they d night, including the tapes, which is like, what was the point of making it? Because then they douse it with gasoline or rubbing alcohol, take them out to, I think it was the Black Rock Canyon area. I know, try to burn the whole thing, and then they bury it.

So it's like, why did you even tape it in the first place? When you're saying, all your messages to the FBI and future killers aren't gonna get out there. none of the serial killers are gonna see this and Jesus Christ your how-to tapes so then they went back to Torrey's house and um watch the movie. I don't eat I don't have a response I don't know what to say to that the amount I they just watched a movie watch the movie like you you just killed someone. You're so cliche. Like you're so fucking cliche. Well, that's just like, I think of like a life altering moment

and like how you feel after like that's a life altering moment. Yeah. A horrible one. But life altering. But to have the capacity to just like calm down to the point where you can sit down and watch a movie like. And I mean, they initially were thinking they were going to kill someone else that night.

That's just... Like, they were all about it. Well, then we move on to the next day. Sunday... Or excuse me, this was two days later. Sunday, September 24th, Cassie's uncle and aunt and 13-year-old cousin arrived back home. Oh my God. They discovered her in the living room in a pool for own blood dead.

They called police at 155 pm and investigation immediately began. Police saw that no, and it was the 13 year old cousin who saw her first. I thought I was gonna ask you that, I thought I had heard that. Yeah, and the police immediately saw that no valuables were taken. There wasn't any forced entry. And like you said, this was like a big home, like. Yeah, and it's a nice home. So immediately they're like, let's talk to the boyfriend

because of course, of course you're gonna talk to the boyfriend. So Matt Sprout in for an interview on the same day. And he said that he had been trying to reach Cassie on September 23rd that Saturday, like the day before, because he had left her Friday night. And he said, but he couldn't get a hold of her, she wasn't answering anything and he couldn't go to check on her because he doesn't

have his own car and his mom had the car. So he was like I literally couldn't get there so I was just trying to call her. And they did check and he was trying to call her. On the same day later around 8 p.m. he was picked out so this was like the night before. That day, that night before she had been discovered. You mean exactly. Okay. He was picked up by Tori. Are you shitting me? And spent the night at his house. So Matt spent the night at Tori's house after Tori had killed her. And he asked Tori, can you bring me by Cassie's aunt and uncle's house because I want to check on her. I haven't been able to have touch on it I never heard this part before and Tori said no, I don't have enough gas to get all the way out there And again, he's his friend. Wow, so he's not thinking anything anything anything of that

They're 16 years old. I dated someone for like four years when I was at four years too long when I was 16. He wouldn't have given a shit about me if I was gone for it. Like two years. He wouldn't have even noticed. If he wouldn't even call deal. So this is not alarming to me that like Matt was not like doing everything in his power

to get in touch with Cassie because like, I can tell you with full confidence that a 16, most I'm not shaming all 16 year old boys, but like my 16 year old boyfriend, we could have gone a week and he wouldn't have known that anyone I dated at 16. Yeah. So that's not super alarming because I know some people are like, why didn't he get too upset and it's like, no, they were 16.

I feel like he did more than he did more than what probably my ex boyfriend would have done. Yeah. More than anybody I dated would have done. Exactly. So I don't want to get too hard on Matt here. He was a 16 year old boy at the time. He wasn't thinking that she was murdered by his friends. Well, and you know, like when you can't get in touch with someone in your 16 and like, that's, you kind of think that and then you're like, that's crazy.

Yeah, exactly. You're like, whatever. And then you just move on and they're probably like playing video. You watch another movie. So the next day when Cassie was found her mother had actually been the one to call Matt. Oh no. And she was immediately like what did you do? Right. Like she, because everybody immediately looked at Matt, he was the last person there to be no person. Right. So that's what they didn't know that Tori and what's his face were over there. Yeah. And they weren't supposed to come over. She didn't ask if they could come over.

So it wasn't all that the aunt and uncle knew. Is that Matt? Matt was here. Oh, fuck. So poor Matt. So September 24th, the police interview Tori at his home. His parents were there. He said, you know, the same story that they went out.

They went to the home that night. They thought it was going to be a party. Didn't have to be in a party. They were bored. So they left they went to the home that night, they thought it was gonna be a party, didn't have to be in a party, they were bored, so they left and went to the movies. So the police were like, cool. How was the movie? And then he was like, yeah, it was fine. And they were like, okay, can you tell me anything

about the movie? And he was like, I can't really remember. And they were like two days ago. I can't remember the movie that I saw the other night. Two days ago, I can't remember it, like really? And then they were like, who was in the I can't remember the movie that I saw the other night. Two days a good camera, like a really? And then they were like, who was in the movie? And he was like, yeah. Also, I'm glad that he, I'm glad he wasn't able to,

but like, hey, idiot, made something up. Like, that's, like, wow, that's what cunning, right? Future serial killers take notes. Yeah. Like, so the police are immediately like, that's what you can't tell us literally anything about the movie that you saw a couple days ago. Two days ago.

And he was like, yeah, like he couldn't tell the plot, couldn't tell the actors, couldn't tell anything about it. Like, there's movie commercials, like even maybe just take from that. Yeah. And it's, so the next day, an interview was done by police with Brian. His mother Pam was present, because again, they're 16. They can't just go interviewing these kids without parents. They're doing things the right way. And they did. They did go through all the things they need to thank goodness because shit

could have been thrown out. Right. So basically, same exact story. We went there. We thought it was going to be a party. We left. We were bored. Again, they were like, so what was the movie about? And he was like, and they were like, do you know anybody in the movie? And he was like, so they were like, okay. So then he was both a movie that you don't remember. That's weird. So then they were like, you know, how do you feel

about like Cassie being murdered? Like, isn't that she was your friend? You were just at that house. Does that freak you out? I'll let you. Yeah. And he was like, and he did, he was like, I'm very upset and very shocked about

catching stuff. Brian said that. So they were like, okay. There are like reports that Matt was like, not super emotional according to police, but again, we all know how that goes that like people handle emotions differently. Yeah, you can't judge it.

So, but Brian was acting like he cared. Well, you have to think too. He was probably terrified of like, yeah, the being in front of the police. Oh, yeah. So maybe that was outweighing his brief. Yeah, the adrenaline might have overran like any emotion he's actually gonna have.

Prime suspect. Yeah. So he's shitting himself. That's a 16 year old kid. Right. So they ended up interviewing students at the school, you know, because now they're starting to look at Brian and Tori like, eh, what's that about? So they were like, we need the school, you know, because now they're starting to look at Brian and Tori like

So they were like we need to ask people about these two so they were asking on, you know Who are these guys and they were like yeah, they're real weird and they're talking about murder all the time obsessed with movies obsessed with horror obsessed with killing They you know, they're very like obsessed with you know the scream franchise and Columbine. That's the thing that they're both into. They said Tori had the knife collection. Then a couple of them said, but they always have a camera with them. They're very creative and they're always

talking about wanting to direct and write movies. They were writing a horror movie script. They were always talking about it, but now that I'm thinking about it, that could have been intermingled with them talking about really wanting to do these things. Right. So now all these poor kids are having like,

revelations of like, oh my god, where they're actually talking about real things. And then they said at one point, one of these kids said that they heard Cassie say, like they talk to Cassie about it. And Cassie had said like, oh, like, let me be in your horror movie when you make it. Oh, no.

Which to me was so, like, chilling. That is. That's chilling. Because you know, they were like, okay. You're in our movie. Like, fuck. Yeah. So September, that's like shit that happens in a movie.

It is. It's all shit that happens in a movie. September 26, 2006, the officers did another interview with Brian. So now they're going back to Brian and be like, let's talk some more. You remember that movie now? Yeah, they're like, so, so now he's still sticking to the story. He's saying they went to the movie, but then the officers are like, it's weird to me that you can't tell me anything about the movie. And like, I'm sure you know that that's weird. So like, why don't you change that story? Well, and you're supposed to be this like movie buff. You're a movie critic. Exactly and they're like but what

you didn't want to critique. And they're saying you know I you get basically they're being like you got to change that story bro because we don't believe it so you want to give us something that we can work with because right now you're looking like a murderer. Right. Basically like spill. And he's like I don't have any. So then Brian's like, okay. And he's like, we didn't go to the movies. And they're like, oh, okay. You did it. So I'm sure they're both like, woo, he's gonna tell us.

But then he was like, all right, what we did was we had broken into some cars and like gone through the car. He said gone through cars. And he said, and I didn't want, we didn't want to tell you because we didn't want to get in trouble for like stealing stuff from cars. Yeah, that's okay. And they were like, that's not really convincing.

Like they were like, that sounds like a weird teenage excuse. Because we didn't have any calls about burglaring cars. So they were like, where are all these people that you took shit from and broke into their car? Why didn't they call us? And he's like, yeah, no, that's just one of us. So he's sticking with the story. He's like, I don't know, we got away with it.

And so he was then his parents, Brian's parents were like, we're leaving. And he left because he's a 16 year old. His parents have authority here. So they left. And they're like, okay, shit's getting weird. So Wednesday, September 27th, 2006, this is when, this is when they started, they did more interviews with them. And this is when Brian and Tori start putting her name on each other. Yep. Because they always do it.

So Brian finally said that he and Tori, he said we went through an unlocked door or he said they unlocked the door when they were, so he admitted, so they're like the bad door. So they went downstairs, I unlocked the door and he said, but what the intention was to scare us was we were going to leave come back dressed all up and be scared rain spooky and we were going to scare them and play prank. It was all it was a prank. It's a prank on wrong.

So Brian's just like, no, this is totally a prank. That's all it was going to be be he was like, we had knives with us, but that was just to make it scarier. Obviously. They're like, so how to chant up stab 28 times then? Exactly. So he said, what happened was he said, Matt left, we saw Matt leave with his mom.

And he said, we went upstairs and I'm thinking we're just going to scare him. And then Tori just goes nuts and starts stabbing Cassie. So now he's immediately like, Tori did it. Yup. And he's just admitting it right out. She, he did it. And then he said, I thought it was just gonna be

to scare, turned out to be this crazy thing. And then he said that he never touched her, never stabbed her, never had anything to do with it. He said, I was there for the whole thing, never did it. You will not find anything of me on her. Nothing. Then he said, he, he said he had talked to Tori that same day that they were speaking right now. He said, I talked to Tori

earlier today. And that Tori said that if I told you the truth, he was going to kill me too. Oh my God. You're fucking really hitting me. And then he's, he's also crying. I bet. But then, oh, he did. He's sobbed. Of course. They always do. And then he says, I'll show you where we buried the evidence. Okay, I need to, like, but I'm going to show you where we buried the evidence where I say something completely different than what I just told you. And I say, I'm the one that did it. Yeah. I'm going to bring you to that because that makes sense to me.

Yep. Okay. Just making sure you got it. You got it. Like what? Yep. So your friend Delobe is not developed. It sounds happened in here.

And so the police, you know, detectives go with him. They go to Black Rock Canyon. I believe his father was with them. One of his parents at least or maybe both. And he brought them exactly where they had buried that bag. And what they found in there was, I mean, they found a ton of shit in there. It was like the matches, the boots, the clothing.

They found hydrogen peroxide, which is what they used to like try to light everything on fire. They found the mask. The mask was like broken into pieces. They found a large daggertipenife with a sheath, a silver and black-handled knife with some signature Sloan written on the inside, a small daggertipenife with a sheath. They found the videotape. They found a serrated folding knife and they later, DNA tested that knife and they found Cassie's blood on that knife.

There was the piece of paper I talked about earlier that was partially burned, that it was in pencil, and it had said if Cassie fought and Matt decided to try to kill him too. And on it you could see it's very hard to like read the whole thing because it is partially burned. But it's laying out exactly how they the whole thing because it is partially burned. Yeah, but it's a It's laying out exactly how they were gonna do it that night. So it's literally they were glad to have for Matt I mean like that was like Matt's really only out. Yeah, so and then They did find DNA from Adam on the mask or Adam. Sorry. I was like his last name is Adam's second. No, no, I know From Toria. I was like, who was Adam? No Sack. No, no, I know. From Toria.

I was like, who was Adam? Who was Adam? No, from Toria on one of the masks. They found gloves. They found Cassie's DNA in the blood on some of the gloves. So they were going to connect all these again. They also found a Calvin Klein black dress shirt and they found her blood on that dress shirt and they also found a small piece of black cord, which I'm not

sure what would be. Maybe they just brought that in case. So now that they found all this, they were like, okay, fourth interview time. So they were like, now that you've admitted this, let's go back to the beginning and you tell us what happened. So he again, he's like, Tori did it. I thought it was going to be a prank. He just repeats the same thing. Look at me crying. But then he was like, so, you know, okay, sure, sure, Brian. Like you were just there. You thought you were very innocent and thought this was just going to be a fun prank. Like that's real fucked up of you anyways because it's a fucked up prank. Like cool. Definitely go with that story. And then he's like, but like maybe did you just stab Cassie just to like keep Tori from hurting you?

Yeah. Oh no, he didn't do that. He was like, he was like, you know, Tori sounds crazy. He's probably so scary. Did you maybe just give her a little stab just to keep him from hurting you? And so Brian's like, yeah, maybe. And like, he's all of a sudden like, well shit. So he's like, okay. So he nods.

He just nods. The way that like officers can do that, I would never- The good cop bad cop thing is very impressive and detectives. I would never think to ask a question like that. To frame it that way, because you have to like take out all the emotion

and aggression you have for this person, and you know did it. And you have to be like, you know, that other guy, he's the mean one. Like you pour you. Like were you just scared scared and you just did this like I get it I have to imagine that must be kind of fun to like must be very Satisfying very rewarding it would once he nodded. I'd be like jackpot. I'd be like got you motherfucker So he so they were like okay, okay. Yeah, don't like we get it. We get it Brian. Yeah, he's mean you were scared

You stabbed her and they're like so so, so many times I do that, like can you tell us? So instead of just being like, which you think he'd be like, I didn't want, like in the toe or something, you know, like just to be like, I didn't have to cause any damage. He was like, um, he was like,

so I stabbed her four times in the leg in the chest. And he said, once he did that, Tori told him, quote, you need to stab her, you need to stab her. So he was like, so he did it again in the leg. And then Tori said, it's not going to work. She has to die. Oh God. So then he says, can I see my parents? Oh, fuck. And that's the end of the interview. And the police, I will, the detectives abided. They, they ended the interview. I mean, they got most of what they needed anyway.

And they ended the interview. So he was, you know, and all these, these two fuckheads were marandized. Everything was done the right way. And they try to get back at that later, but they can't because it's airtight. It's all right there. So September 27th, 2006, they were both arrested. Good bye.

They were both charged with first degree murder and conspiracy to commit first degree murder. They had separate trials. The defense obviously was blaming each other. And then when asked about the tapes, they said, we were just making a horror film. It wasn't real. It's just weird that this whole thing happened. It's weird that it lines up perfectly. You know how coincidences are. And that the person in our horror film that's named Cassie, it's weird. That's coincidences. That's coincidences.

Well, then DNA evidence under her nails actually matched Brian. Oh. I don't, from what I read and what I've seen, they have not taken DNA from under her nails that matched Tory, but there was DNA under her nails that matched Brian and another one that was an unknown male. So it could have been that it just didn't connect with his DNA.

Uh-huh. But weird. And of course the defense used that, of course. That only Brian's is under there. So they also stuck with the tape saying, but I'm sure he was just the closer one. Well, they stuck with, you know, Brian said I killed Cassie in that tape like that. Right. Unfortunately for Tori, it did not work for him. So Tori was found or Brian was found guilty April 17th, 2007 Tori was found guilty June 8th, 2007. That's my very best sure is I don't know if anybody knows that. I'm a German. So August 21st,

2007 they both received a life in prison without parole, a mandatory sentence. 5 and 30 to life for the conspiracy charge. So life plus 30. So that's what life plus 32 lives. Yes, so they had to spend this sentence at Idaho State Correctional Institution, where they still are today. Thank God. Tories parents are fucking enablers of the century. Like, okay, listen, I get standing by your kid. Right, and I'm sure it's hard to accept

that your kid did this. And it's one thing to stand by your kid, and it's another thing to enable them to spin a false narrative, and to not take responsibility for something they have clearly done and are in film admitting to doing. Because then you're just hurting the victims family? Yeah.

10 times more. Oh yeah, his parents literally won't let him tell the real story. You can see sometimes that Tori almost looks like he just wants to say it and they stifle it out of him. Which is insane. And it's like just let him talk. He's not getting out of jail. Anyway, right.

Anyway, and he's stay in there forever. You might as well let him get it off his fucking chest, like let him talk about it. Right. So they feed him, like there's, there's a documentary called Lost for Life. And it's about like juvenile offenders and the mandatory life sentence and all that craziness.

And they are part of this. And in it, Brian seems actually remorseful when he speaks. I would say that. Who knows, really? Because they could be. But it seems like he takes 100% responsibility says, I did it. I was there.

He said, Tory did it too, but I did it. And he's like, Cassie was our friend. Cassie, I will forever regret what I did. I don't know why I did it. I was there. He said, Tory did it too, but I did it. And he's like, Cassie was our friend. Cassie, you know, I will forever regret what I did. I don't know why I did it. But I, and he says I deserve to be here. I should be here. Like he's very, this is what I guess. This is what I did.

This is the repercussion. Tory is like, no, man, and his parents just feed him lines. They talk over him. And the entire time, Tori, first of all, looks like out to lunch. Like Tori is not on this planet with us, like something's going on. His eyes are dead as fuck.

And he just, and you can tell he just has it all sitting in him. And he wants to say it. And he's not saying it, because his parents won't let him. Oh. And the whole time his parents are literally staring at him in the eye while he tries to talk and are literally being like, but Brian did it, right? You didn't do it. So I don't know why you would feel bad about anything because Brian did it. Like they're literally staring. And then you can see him like shift, like looking at them and looking at the camera. And you're like, oh, so that's where you came from. And I'm like, oh, okay, I

get it now. Like I get it. But, um, and And you're like, oh, so that's where you came from. And I'm like, oh, okay, I get it now. Like I get it. But, and they're literally like you've done nothing wrong, Brian did everything and it's like, have you seen your son's videos? Right. Mom and dad, they probably haven't. They probably haven't.

Like he's a disgusting cup of fucking filth. Rancid horse piss is what he is. And it's like you need to understand that about your kid's son. And just quickly, I just want to play the quick little clip of his parents talking over him. I was, I made some mistakes and I learned from them. The mistakes worked. And they were charged.

They want the murder experience. Yeah. That was Brian. Must be hard because you're in this. I'll be facing. He's that. When he says at the end, like, it must be really hard because you're the innocent one and Brian did everything. You know, nothing. And it's almost like the dad is like, right. when he says at the end, it must be really hard because you're the innocent one and Brian did everything. You had nothing to do.

It's almost like the dad is like, right? And while he's saying that, he's staring at his son and his son is trying to look at the camera and keeps looking at him and he just stops and goes, I guess. Yeah. And you can tell he's like, I would say it, but I can't.

Right, they're gonna like shove me into the ground. And they're both just like, you know, you have nothing to be sorry about. because you didn't, you know, your mistakes aren't what you were charged with. And it's like you two are problems. Seriously. It's infuriating to watch them. So in 2010, Cassie's family filed a lawsuit against the school district saying like, why were they allowed to sit there in class and talk about murdering my child? Yeah. It was dismissed. I don't think came of it unfortunately. Both of them filed appeals in the state Supreme Court in 2010 and 2011. They were both denied.

Brian said in his last interview with the police, he said his parents weren't present, so it wasn't okay. Uh-huh. And they were like, nope, we have it right here. We read you your Miranda rights. And when you asked for your parents, we shut off the tape, stopped the interview and let you have your parents. So don't lie. They were like, you fucking dirty, dirty liar.

So they were like, no. So that didn't work for him. That was supposed to be his appeal. And of course, Tori is saying, you know, said, he never admitted to it that whole thing about the tape. I didn't do it. I didn't confess to this. Right. Tori is saying, you know, said he never admitted to it. That whole thing about the tape. I didn't do it. I didn't confess to this. Right.

Tori also said that his counsel, he had an ineffective counsel because he said there was a warrant that was served at his parents' house when they were arrested. And the warrant did not include, it was just a search his room and stuff obviously. It did not include them being able to search and seize any electronics of his, but they took his laptop. And when they looked on it, they found like fucked up shit, like child pornography. Yeah, I heard that, which doesn't shock me about that, dude. No. He's got so much going on. You can, it's in his eyes. It is. And so he was like, they weren't, I love that he's like, that wasn't in the warrant, so you can't use it. It's like, it's okay, though. You're

still real gross. Yeah. So I don't think that would have made a difference, but okay. In 2012, the Supreme Court said you can't impose a mandatory life sentence without parole for people under 18, unconstitutional. The ruling doesn't apply if your crime that you committed is considered under the category of permanent and cordiality. And this was. Which means that you literally are beyond help or recognition or redemption.

Or you are. Which I believe they are. And it seems to be that they are because they haven't gotten a new one. So in 2014, the contraresses, the aunt and uncle of Cassie, they said that they couldn't sell their house. They tried getting out of that house. I imagine. And they said they've tried to put it on the for years.

No one would buy it. Someone did eventually buy it, but they also said, you know, the 13 year old cousin attempted suicide, feeling do it. Contrary to seeing that, her cousin was traumatized. The aunt said she went into a deep depression, lost her job. That's so sad.

This had such far reaching ripple effects. Right. And in July 2015, Tory got a hearing for post-conviction relief. No. He used the whole ineffective counsel thing. He said there were character witnesses that were not called in the initial trial. And they would approve that he's such a good guy.

And it would have had totally March 2016, that was denied. He appealed it to the state Supreme Court. December 26, 2016. They rejected it. So that same year in 2016, the Supreme Court made that ruling about minors not being sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. Yeah, they made that rectal act of remember when they were like now, we're going to go back and look these. So they are looking at cases now. Oh, shit. They have not looked at theirs.

I believe they looked at another case that could have had something to do with theirs, but just as a weird little side, September 28th, 2004, a 25 year old woman named Nori Jones was sexually assaulted and stabbed to death, 50 yards away from where a 14 year old Tori lived. Oh.

During the trial for her murder, which took place in 2015, so a long time after she died. Right. He was brought up as a possible suspect. Oh shit. And he might have done that. Maybe that's why he was so calm after.

That's what. Like Brian was so like holy shit. I just saved that Tori's like, yeah, I fucking did this before. And I think he might have. What? I wouldn't shock me. He was so cunning immediately about it.

Right. And then the last thing I just mentioned was, I found in my research, I found this weird ass fan fiction about Brian. Ew! Yeah, and it was like a whole fucking novella online about this part, like for some reason Brian got out of jail and was living with this family and the daughter,

the like teenage daughter and him have this affair. People are so sick. And Brian is portrayed as this very loving, caring, remorseful person. That just actually made me feel nauseous. And like, yo, just write fiction. I have a nausea. Like, fan fiction is fine, but why are you

writing fan fiction about a fucking murderer? Like, that's insane. You need help. Yeah, so you should take that down if you're that person. Yeah, because there's a- When I saw it, I was like, wait, what? And I'm like looking through it and I'm like,

is this what? Cause it looks like an interview almost at first and then it got into weird shit and I was like, oh, this is fanfiction about Brian Draper. Life is so upset. Like weird flex, but okay. No, weird flex period. But like, whoa.

But bye. But bye now. So that is the almost two hour. Yeah, shit. Retelling of the screen murders of Cassie Joe Stoddard, RIP Cassie. I know. She did not just, I mean,

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