Morbid - Episode 173: The Twisted Deeds & Many Names of Peter Tobin

Episode Date: September 24, 2020

This week Alaina is diving into the Peter Tobin case! Peter Tobin, who was also known as Patrick McLaughlin, James Kelley and many other names, may have killed as many as 48. He was sentenced to life in prison and when he told investigators how many he’d killed he followed it up with “figure it out” and grinned. Lots to unpack here, and it will lead us into our next episode about Bible John, who may have actually been Peter Tobin.  https://www.the-sun.com/news/195354/serial-killer-peter-tobin-72-on-his-death-bed-weighing-just-five-stone-and-barely-eating-after-cancer-diagnosis/ https://www.scotsman.com/news/crime/who-did-peter-tobin-kill-and-was-he-bible-john-former-lead-detective-david-swindle-why-serial-killer-case-not-cold-yet-1403956 As always, thank you to our sponsors  Upstart: See why Upstart has a 4.9 out of 5 rating on Trustpilot and hurry to Upstart.com/morbid to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate can be Thrive Market: Go to Thrive Market.com/MORBID Join today and you’ll get a FREE gift of your choosing, up to $24 dollars in value. Firstleaf: Sign up today to get 6 bottles of wine for only $29.95, plus free shipping! Just go to Try Firstleaf.com/morbid Philo: Sign up today at philo.tv/morbid and you’ll get 25% off your first two months See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey weirdos, I'm Alina. I'm Ash. And this is morbid. More bed! That's Mabad. Hello, welcome to our show everybody. Welcome. And you know what? We've been getting like this month for some weird reason in September 2020.

Yeah. Okay, so just joining us. Yeah. We have had a ton of new people joining the show, like listeners. So many new listeners. So hello new listeners. Welcome. Welcome to the madness.

Yeah. And if you started from the beginning and you got here, kudos to you because you stuck through us recording underwater. And also us not realizing, you know, how long our intros should be. Yeah, when they were like 10 minutes and I was just talking about what I did at work, that, uh, yeah, sorry. We got better, I think. So you know what, welcome. We're glad to have you.

Hope we keep you. Um, and yeah, so we're excited about that. I don't know what it is, but it's pretty cool. I wonder if it's crime countdown. Like people started listening to crime countdown. And then they were like, oh, I didn't like it's so weird to think of people listening to crime countdown first. I know it is weird just because like this has been a long, around for so long.

Yeah, but if you're here from Kerem Countdown, that's awesome. Welcome. And thank you for listening to both. Yeah, and you know what? If you haven't listened to Kerem Countdown yet, go listen to it. It's awesome. I love doing crime count down. It's so much fun to record. We love Parkhead. It's so fun. So yeah, so that's fun. We don't really have a whole lot of like craziness to go over here. I can tell a really funny story that happened last night that is kind of relevant.

Oh, I wanna know. I actually, I tweeted about it. So some of you listening maybe like, oh yeah, I know the story. So last night, we put the kids to bed and we suddenly, John was upstairs. I was downstairs. And suddenly I heard this huge thud. Oh, I saw your tweet. And it like shook the house. Like shook the side of the house. And I was like,

did one of the kids just fall out of bed? That's what I assumed. So I went and I would have shook the house. Well, yeah, because the house is so old. You literally drop like a pen on the floor and the whole house shakes. It's insane. And really, a deadweight child falling onto the floor is definitely gonna shake the living room. So I ran up there and I was like, did you just hear that noise? And John was like, yeah, I thought I came from downstairs.

And I was like, no. So I ran into the kids' rooms. They're all sound asleep. Everyone's fine. Looked around this, nothing on the floor, nothing has fallen. I look in every room, nothing has fallen. My more than that happened to us that one time,

and then finally we found it. But there was nothing. So I was like, that's weird. So I went back in our room, and I'm like, yeah, weird. And I'm telling John, I didn't find anything. As we're talking, something above our heads in the attic crashes onto the floor. Shut up.

And both of us looked up, and John was like, that was in the fucking attic. And I was like, oh shit. So I was like, okay, what do we do? So it's your heart, like, pumping and thumping. Well, because I'm like, oh my god, because the other thing is, the attic door is on the side of the house where the kids' rooms are. Right.

So I was like, oh, I'm gonna have to kill someone today. Right. Like, that was my thought. I was like, oh, we're gonna kill someone together. I love that your first thought was like, I'm not gonna, kill someone today. Right. That was my thought. I was like, oh, we're gonna kill someone together. I love that your first thought was like, I'm not gonna, because my first thought would be, oh, I'm gonna die today. Like, that sucks.

I'm really bummed out about it. Yours was, oh, I have to complete it. Yeah, like that's, that was the only... I literally... The differences in our psyche, because I went 100% would be like, I should have gotten like a chick away today or something. You know what I mean? And I know it's problematic, don't I, me. But like, I know my first thing be like, I should have gotten like, Chick-fil-A today or something, you know what I mean?

And I know it's problematic, don't I, me? But like, I know my first thing was like, well, motherfucker isn't coming down those stairs to my kids' rooms, it's just not happening. So, but then how, it's like, how would they have gotten them to their first place? They really couldn't, so it's really not.

But it was like, I'll show you how it goes. In my head was like, someone's in there because you know, stranger things have happened. So I, John immediately grabs one of my old softball bats. Incredible. And he's wants to go up there by himself. Nacer. And I was like, no, no.

I'm not letting you get murdered by some weird ad-i-willer. I was gonna say, I had full confidence he could do it, but my thing was, you're not gonna let him get it. I don't want him to get hurt. What if they try to take a swipe, you swipe at my husband. I'm gonna come at them. Yeah, you're not gonna let him get hurt. I don't want him to get hurt. What if they try to take a swipe, you swipe at my husband. I'm gonna come at them. Yeah, you're just gonna get the job done. Yeah, like fuck that.

Women. Women. And I just like had to be up there. I couldn't just stand down there passively and like hope that he was fine. It just isn't my way of doing things. That's good. So I was like, I gotta go up there.

I gotta be back up for him. So the only thing near me at the time was my horror memorabilia. Incredible. Which was a signed Friday the 13th machete. Machete. So I grabbed it. And you grabbed a machete. Grabbed a machete and just walled steps to the stair. And I called to John, I'm like, I'm coming up and he's like, why you come up? Because you're like, well, I have a machete. And I'm like, I'm coming. and he's like, why you come up? Because you're like, well, I have a machete. And I'm like, I'm coming. I got the machete and he's like, what the actual hell?

So we looked around, no one's in there. There was no animals or anything. But like a day or two before, I had brought the girls upstairs with me to look for Halloween decorations. Yeah. And of course, four-year-olds touch everything. And they move and all the stuff.

They're finding their old toys. So they're just moving shit. And they had teetered their Barbie Dream camper as well as the the airplane. No not the airplane it was the bassinet. Oh shit. I almost said it. I literally went but I stopped myself so beeps bassinet and they they were playing around with them. And I had put the bassinet on top of another box, and the camper was teetering on something. Both of them were on the ground. And it makes sense that they made the big crashing noises.

Yeah. But of course, John was like, that's all well and fine. How did they end up on the ground? Yeah, that's the thing. There's no cool draft right now. No, there's really not. And there wasn't up there. But all I can think of is like physics.

They were teetering. Eventually, they were going to fall over. That's fun for you. And even if it's, honestly, if it's an old-timey ghost up there, just knocking shit over, that's fine. Yeah, I would much rather that than an actual person. Think of just like me as an old-timey ghost. Like, I'd be clumsy.

Yeah, I could never think of you as an old-timey ghost. Like I'd be clumsy. Yeah, I could never think of you as an old-timey ghost. You would always be the Brittany bitch kind of ghost. Thank you so much for that compliment. Yeah. Oh, speaking of old-timey things and how we didn't do long intros anymore, but just really quick. Yeah.

I always say how like I'm not gonna buy antiques. I know. I bought an antiques. I know, as soon as you said it, I was like, did you just said? I know I literally say as soon as you said it I was like did you just said? I know I literally just said it but they're hard to not buy we found this wicked cute little antique store I forget what it's called but I'm gonna have to plug it next time. It's in North out of Burrow and it's so cute And they had Annie was checking out she got like all these like old matchbox cars

Oh, I love it. She's gonna like start a collection which I think is awesome Amazing and then she's checking out and there's all these vogue covers But like as paintings like big paintings. Yeah, that's checking out and there's all these vogue covers, but as paintings, big paintings. Yeah, that's cool. And she goes, I'm literally across the store, she goes, ah! She's like, we gotta get this.

So we got that and then I got a little trinket box. That was a telephone. That's so cute. Cause it reminded me of Nanny. Oh, I love that. I hope it's not haunted and I hope it doesn't bring a demon into my home. I love that.

I feel like it's too small to you. Oh, yeah, that's true. But now there could be tiny demons. Yeah, tiny demons. You have a tiny demon in your home now. Oh, I would rather a large demon like versus a tiny demon. Cause tiny demon I feel like it could be trials.

They can get it, yeah, and they can get into too many places. Yes, crevices. Crevices. So I think now that we have regaled you all with our tails of craziness the last day or so ghosts and intarts. Our wild lives. We are so crazy. Wild and crazy. I think we can get back into what we're here for. What do we here for? True crime. What do we want? True crime. When do we want it? Like 10 minutes ago. All the time.

So today's episode, I'm going to cover another Scottish case. You're so into Scotland lately, I love it. I know. I feel like I'm just like drawn to you, Scotland. So hello, we're back at Scotland. And this is the case of Peter Tobin. Pete Tobin. He's a real dick this one.

I believe it. Now, the reason I got into this one was because originally, I was going to cover Bible John, this episode. I'm going to cover Bible John next episode. Actually, I was like a continuation. I don't even know who that is. You're going to know. And guess so.

The reason that I was going to, that this kind of like all led together was because some people, including the original investigators on this case, think that Bible John, which is an unsolved case, is Peter Tobin. So we shall see. But we're gonna talk about just Peter Tobin in this episode,

and then we will lead into is he Bible John? Next episode. What do you think? I don't know. Okay. I don't really, I'm not sold yet. Maybe I need to maybe a little bit more about it, but I feel like I'm not sold yet. I'll have an answer on the next episode. Okay. Cool. So Peter Tobin, we don't know a ton about his childhood. I like couldn't find anything. Is that weird? Was he born a long time ago? He was born, not really.

He was born August 27th, 1946. So really not that long time ago. But I think he was just like a dick. So I think nobody really wants to claim him a lot. Yeah, they're just like, they're like, yeah, he was a kid once. Right, positive of it. He was born in Johnston or Johnstone,

Remprune, Remprue Shire. Remprue Shire. Remprue Sh Johnstone Rempranth, Remprusher. Remprusher. Remprusher. Remprusher. I'm from Rempranth. Are you from Rempranth? He was born in a place.

He was the youngest of seven. It's always the youngest, that's the problem. Thank you. I'm the youngest as well. Well, actually, my spot in fair, I thought of the least. I'm the youngest as well. Well actually, my spot in family, I just so confusing. You're technically the oldest technically. Yeah, which is crazy. But like I'm the youngest in this family. Yeah. And I'm the youngest figure out our family. Try to say, we just, we that's like one of

those little finger traps that just get you stuck. Yeah. So he was apparently a very difficult child. Okay. So it was not a good, no, this was a very different kind of difficult child. Okay. He was violent. Oh, no. He was like really fucked up. What makes a person a murderer?

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wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Darn, ee-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e- school. Seven years old. That's how bad he was. Holy shit. Yeah. He then went to a Borestall, which we remember that term from Ian Brady and Myrahindley Asha shaking. I'm like, no, I do not remember that term. A Borestall is like a almost like a military style school where you send like young men that you are usually kind of like more intelligent or able to like function on a higher level. It's like a military reform school kind of thing.

Good thing my memory last two weeks. You were like no I don't know that. One. So he did attend a Bore Stole and then he ended up in prison for forgery and burglary. Wow great kid. So he was really killing it like right off the right off the gate. Like starting at seven, he was letting the whole world know what he was all about. Right, I am and what I'm about. He then married, he got married for the first time in 1969

to a woman named Margaret. They met at a dance hall where he, he often picked up ladies at dance halls. Did he, did he know how to do a good jig? I'm sure, I guess he did because he was picking up ladies. All right. And the thing that really connects him to Bible John is that Bible John also picked up women at dance halls,

especially the Barrow Land Dance Hall, which was like a popular place. I wish the dance halls were still a thing. Let's go to a dance hall. Wanna go to a dance tonight? Like that's so cute. So. Well, not a dance tonight. So he was 20, she was 17. She said that their marriage was horrific, great, was horrible and abusive. He locked her in rooms for days at a time and wouldn't let her leave the house without him. That reminds me of Kellyanne Beats. He was real scary. This is even worse, just fair warning, dead dog.

No. She said, quote, he got me a black Labrador puppy. No, those are my fates. But I hadn't had butelong when he cut off its head while I was at the shops and threw it out the window. I found boys in the yard using the head as a football. Oh my god. So head as a football. I don't have. Yeah.

Oh my god. So that's a thing. And what's wrong with those fucking kids? I know, man. What the fuck? Real fucked up. I don't know what was happening in the water in that area. What's up?

How the fucked up children? Don't play with dead dogs, hats. Don't do it. Don't do it. Oh, god. So he also, now, as if this wasn't bad, their entire marriage being this awful abusive lesson in nightmare. He also raped and stabbed his wife and left her to die,

but a neighbor saw blood and he ran over and rescued her. Oh my God. This is a huge trigger warning for something he did to her. Rape trigger warning, rape trigger warning. He had, and they found out later that he had inserted the knife inside of her and made it so she couldn't have kids ever again. She could never have children. Yeah, she could never have children because of it.

Oh my God, what a fucking monster. He's an absolute monster. What is wrong with someone? Well, then in the 1970s, he went to prison for Berglarian theft, and that's when she was able to leave him like divorce him. She was terrified. Obviously. He literally tried to kill her. Right. I thought he had killed her. In 1973, he married a second woman named Sylvia Jeffries. Or Sylvia. She said he was horrifically abusive to her as well in their dog.

So he had a thing. It's like, don't get a dog if you don't like them. Stop getting dogs. You have a choice to get a dog. Right. That is an absolute choice. So they divorced in 1976. She divorced him.

The way she left him was she literally ran away with their older child. Like just packed up. They had a child together. They had two children together. They had shortly before the divorce, they had another baby that died at two days old because of breathing issues. And she grabbed her older, I think it was a son

and just pieced out of there. Thank God they were able to get out. Yeah, well then the third wife, Kathy Wilson, these poor women, they also met at a dance hall in 1989 She was only 16 at the time and he was 40. Ew. That's like Kelly and Bates again. That's no good They had one child together a son named Daniel

She said about him quote he was all sweetness until he had me where he wanted me Once I was pregnant, he changed and used Daniel to control me. It was always threats to kill or hurt Daniel if I left. He would even pick him up and mimic throwing him on the floor. I felt like a prisoner. Jesus Christ. He's a literal monster. That's the thing with these people because you're like, how do they get, like, how do you get into a relationship like that? I know people think that, but these people are... They are in shurling.

It could happen to anybody. It is Prince Charming that they're in. Like that could never happen to me wrong. Nobody can happen to anybody. Because smart as you are. Especially these kind of dudes, they know how to do it. They know how to do it. Like my ex-boyfriend, he was not like physically abusive,

right? I definitely didn't go through that. But in the beginning, like he was definitely emotionally and mentally abusive. And he flipped a switch. When we first met, he was like, Prince Charming. And that's how they get you.

They get you to like, think, oh, they really care about me and look, they're paying so much attention to me. They start to separate. And they just start your family. Exactly. And they do start your family. Exactly. And they do it slowly and methodically, and then all of a sudden you're sitting there

and you're like, fuck, I don't have anyone to reach out to. And you can't get out. So it's like, that sucks. It's hilarious. These poor women are like married. Right. We can't imagine that. We want to have children in that situation.

Because then it's like, you're not only protecting yourself, you're protecting your child. Oh, and the need to protect your child is so it's so it's like painful. Right. How much of a need it is? So I can't even imagine what these poor women were going through. So brings us so that was in 1989 that they got married. Bring us to 1993. He He lured two 14-year-old girls. When I say lured, I mean lured them to him and then at knife point, forced them to go into his apartment. Oh my God. It was in Hampshire where his son was. Daniel was in the house.

He drugged them by forcing them to take sedatives and literally forcing vodka down both their throats. He raped them both, he stabbed one several times, turned the gas on and left them to his fixate. You're kidding. Both of them survived. What? And both of them described him. We're like, let me tell you what he looked like.

Amazing. So he tried to hide. Because this is his M.O. He does this shit. And then he goes in the hide-a-lease. Of course. Like, he gets the fuck up out of there. He had a ton of aliases, which is why they think he might be Bible John, because he's

just been in so many different identities. So he tried to hide, but he was found in May 1994, so like the next year. He was arrested and sentenced to 14 years, but he only served 10. Only this is the thing. I don't understand why you get so much less time for attempted murder, just because it didn't work. It's like, because you should get the same. Your plan was for it to work. Right, like it was a failure.

And it wasn't a failure, like you did on purpose. You wanted it to work. It was an implied failure. You wanted this person to cease to exist. Right. And you just failed at it, because you're a, like you did on like on purpose. You wanted it to work. It was an implied failure. You wanted this person to cease to exist. Right. And you just failed at it because you're a fucking loser and you can't do anything. You should get, I don't think there should be

an attempted marriage. No, it really shouldn't. No. Yeah, if you think about it, it doesn't make any sense. It truly doesn't. Like, oh, well, you tried, but since it didn't work, lucky you, lucky you, it didn't work and that person's way stronger

than you thought they were, so. Right, you get less time. Great. Fuck, no. That is nothing to do with you. Because it's almost like the person who survives gets punished for being a survivor. Yes.

Exactly. Why are we just realizing how fucked up this is? I feel like I've said it before, but I feel like this time we really undid the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. It's like, like, like, like, like, like. It's like, let's like like, let's like like, let's write a letter to our justice. Let's just mantle the whole thing.

Yeah, let's just do it. Definitely fucking do that. Peace by peace. Let's actually just flee the country. So this is when Kathy was able to divorce him. Okay. So his third wife divorced him. So this was before she ran away, okay.

Exactly, got you to do that. That's a good show. Yeah, so pretty terrible. So they had both survived. He went into prison for 10 years. He was out in 2004 at the age of 58 years old. Yeah, he moved to Paisley and he was homeless. Because obviously, you know, what is he gonna do? He doesn't deserve a home.

He certainly doesn't. Well, in 2005, he met a woman named Cheryl McLaughlin. She was 24 years old and her boyfriend at the time had met Peter and had to watch football with him a couple of times. Like, they were just like casual like acquaintances. Like, he didn't really know him. He just, you know, yeah.

And so she kind of trusted him because like her boyfriend knew him. Right. And one day before her boyfriend was coming home, she agreed him because like her boyfriend knew him. Right. And one day before her boyfriend was coming home, she agreed to sit and watch TV with him. Oh no. Well, he had hidden a belt and some kind of ligature between the seats.

Okay, golden state killer. And she happened to look and she was like, what the fuck is that? Like she was immediately like, oh, that's not normal. No. Which like good on her for being like, nope, nope. So she immediately tries to leave

because she's like, yeah, I'm uncomfortable. Some shits about to go down. You see a never goodbye. Listen to that gut, man, listen to that gut. Well, as he tries to, she tries to leave, he attacked her. He pulled out a knife and cut her hand, but she survived and was able to get away.

She ended up becoming like super depressed and like having a ton of issues from it because there was such a traumatizing experience. Because clearly he was planning to do something. And when she found out later who he was, she was like, oh my God, he was going to kill me. Right, that was gonna happen. So once this happened, he dips again.

He gets out of there, he's gonna come up with a new alias now. It's crazy to me how people can just disappear. Right, yeah, it's because the blind of the radar. So now he ends up showing up at a soup kitchen connected to a church. This church was St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church. It was in Anderson in Glasgow. And they hired him eventually as a handyman because he was just going to the soup kitchen for a while then he was like kind of helping out at the soup kitchen, then they hired him as a handyman for the church. Okay.

They hired him and he said his name was Patrick McLaughlin. And that was a lie. Was a lie. He was a theater topen. That's John's favorite on last name. Oh yeah, he loves the last name, McLaughlin or McLaughlin. I think that's so funny.

Um, so, and it's funny, because he's like, my name is Patrick McLaughlin and it's like at St. Patrick's Church, very creative. Really? Like you fucked it. You just come up with that? He probably did. And he was like, McLaughlin, that's an easy name to just throw out here. He's like, my name is St. Patrick. My name is St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church. Hello. I'm here to help. It'd be even funny ever if he was like, my name is Patrick St. My name is Patrick St.

And I am from this church. I am from the Roman Catholic church and I help you. So they were like, cool, cool. So later they said he was really helpful. A shame. They called him, quote, a godsend. Oh, because they said he was such a good handyman. He's a loser. He's a loser for a send.

He was, he was something. So he suddenly, I think like very shortly after he started really like working for them. He started noticing and becoming obsessed with a 23 year old woman who lived in the place that was connected next door to the church. Okay. Her name was Angelica or Angelica. I'm not exactly- I think it's Angelica. Okay. Angelica Clark, who lived- and she lived, it was like literally adjoining the church. Sure. She was a student from, I'm gonna say this wrong, Skakow near Krakow.

Krakow? I think it's Krakow. It's Krakow. It's Krakow, I was wrong. So it's Skakow near Krakow, and that she was Polish. Okay, so I'm sorry, I am not. So it was only six weeks after she started,

after he had started working at the church and noticing Angelica, that on September 24th, 2006, she goes missing. And he's like old at this point. Yeah, so and again, she was like a student, she was just living there, going to school, trying to make some extra money to pay for school. Just living her damn life.

She was helping out the church. She attended the church. So she goes missing. She was last seen with Patrick McLaughlin. Not good. She was helping him paint a shed, and she took that odd job again as a way to help pay her tuition.

So police released Patrick's picture to the public. And five days later, they found her dead. No. She was stuffed under the floorboards of the fucking church next to the confessional. Of the church? Yep. They determined that she had been tied up,

raped, beaten, and stabbed 19 times. Oh, and she was alive when she was put in the floorboards. Oh, no. Mm-hmm. And they, and I think one of the pathologists that consulted on this case later, and her name is Julie, I believe I talk about her later. I'll, Julie McAddom, that's her name.

She's a forensic pathologist. She actually got down in the floorboards to like examine her. And she said, first of all, it was the one of the most horrific things she's ever seen. It's making me feel like I can't breathe. Well, she said when she was down there, she said the feeling that you were being trapped was so overwhelming, even though I knew I was going to get out. So she said her, I can't imagine what she was going through. No, I'm she couldn't get out Because she was bound right like bound gagged was unable to move and then he just put the fucking forward back Was beaten about the head like yeah, so she probably like suffocated and blood out. Yeah, all of the above

Yep, so it's it's so unbelievable seriously So again people were like yeah, we saw her with Patrick McLaughlin. That's who we saw her with last, like you need it, but he adipped. Right. Of course, because that's what he does. M.O. So September 30th, 2006, they father Gary, or Jerry Nugent, was a parish priest at the St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church.

And he, like, talked to the, and he said he was, quote, utterly shattered that, and Angelika had been found in the church and how horrified he was. Meanwhile, this fucking priest was accused of raping upwards of 40 women and children. No! So fuck that guy.

Seriously. And this guy went on TV and was like, oh, it's just so sad, the church. And it's like, go fuck yourself. Clearly, this church doesn't mean anything to you. Yeah, like fuck. You're like, so, it's just so sad, the church. And it's like, go fuck yourself. Clearly this church doesn't mean anything to you. Yeah, like fuck. Like, you're so...

I just had to put that out there, that guy's a fucking demon. So fuck him. So Peter Tobin or Patrick McLaughlin was caught because DNA revealed that this person named Pat McLaughlin was actually Peter Tobin. That must be so confusing as the right investigator. Because you're like, wait, who am I actually going after? And so when they brought him in for questioning, when they finally got him, he said that he had a sexual relationship with Angelica.

But it was mutually consensual. And they were like, no. Was her murder also consensual? Yeah. Well, and he said, I had nothing to do with her murder. Totally. Because they were like, we have your semen on her. Right. And he was like, well, yeah, well, he said I had nothing to do with her murder. Totally. Because they were like, we have your semen like on her. Right.

And he was like, well, yeah, like we had a sexual relationship. And I know he'll kill her. No. No. They had a ton of forensic evidence against him. They were like, no, we literally have everything. Yeah, you're done. DNA was found on his DNA, was found on the cloth that was stuffed

in her mouth like gagging her. So they were like, how did that happen? Like, no. He had also thrown away his blood soaked jeans with her blood on them, and they were traced back to him. And they were found in like, I think they called it like a roly bin in the church. Like you just threw it in a like fucking bin.

Just right there. Like an idiot. You're dumb. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad he's dumb. So in that consultant pathologist that I talked about before, Julie McAdams said, when she took a look at the wounds, which when they showed the photos of them in court, several people literally ran out of the court, because they were like, it was so horrific.

They said that the blows and stab wounds were so frenzied and angry, that they said there was definitely a sexual motive to this whole thing. Yeah, for sure. Well, he probably was sexually obsessed. And I wonder if he tried to do something and she was like, no. And she, like, you know, because it seemed like there was some kind of rage. He rejected his advances. Right. So gross. So he was arrested.

He was sentenced to life with a minimum of 21 years. And then what happened? Now, once this happened, criminal psychologists and like criminologists, all these people were like, this doesn't, because right now they're thinking this is his, like first murder.

Yeah. So they're like, this seems like a really intense first murder to commit it like 58 years old. Right. Like that's weird. And psychologists are like, no, that just doesn't line up.

The only murder. Yeah, they're like, this just isn't, you have to have priors. So of course, they were like, well, he did try to gas the 14-year-old girls after raping them and he had stabbed one. So like, he was definitely, that had already happened. He was escalating at this point, but there had to be something that was in between these things. You didn't just go from like that to that. And there was a long period between that too. Exactly. So this is when Operation Anagram became a thing. Fun, right?

So bad. I love operations. It's so metal. And like, like, like, Operation Anagram is like, yes. Let's put on our badges and get it. Let's do it. Let's put on leather coats. And sunglasses.

Yes. And gel are here. Yeah. So Operation Anagram was formed to take a look at all of the various aliases that Peter Tobin had been living under his entire life. Yeah. Because they were, I mean, like a dozen or so. And they wanted to see, you know, they were going to look in his past, see if they could connect him to other unsolved crimes or disappearances, because they were like,

he's definitely got more on his belt. This is giving me like criminal minds vibes. Well, it really is. And he's in prison, and he's telling the prison, like psychologists, that he killed 48 people. Okay, I don't know if I'm a man. And then 48. I don't know.

What do you think? I don't know. He might be near that. He's the roof of the son of a bitch. I guess so. Well, then he literally smiled at the psychologist and went, prove it. Ew.

Like, I dare you. What a little jackass. That also gives me an angry vibes too. I thought he would have done that. Waiting to, he's a dick. He's a real dick. So this is when they were like, this is when they connected him to the Bible John murders,

which we'll talk about next week. Okay. Or next episode, excuse me. And Bible John is known as the British Zodiac Killer. Oh shit. Yeah. That's cool. Not bad.

That's so cool. That's awesome. So finally, they were able to connect him to a missing person's case. Yes. They connected him to the Vicky Hamilton case, which she was a 15-year-old girl. She disappeared February 10th, 1991, which is right in that, because remember, those 14-year-old girls were 1993.

So 1991 is probably when he was starting to do this shit, like, or before that, but like... Because even that first one where he like, lured them into his home, that's the one from 1993. Right, like that's big. So it's like, did you do something before that? Exactly. So that's what they're thinking.

Like, he did want to kill them. So, yes. So February 10th, 1991, she disappeared. She was one of three girls to Michael and Jeanette Hamilton. She was, again, I tried to look for more background on a couple of these girls, but this is not a lot of information about them. Nothing.

I got what I could, but, you know, if I can add later, I will. She was last seen waiting for a bus, and that was it. She was gone. No one knew where, and I think she'd been at, like, if she'd possibly had a dance hall that night,

she was out that night, who was going home. So 11 days later, someone found her purse in a gutter, and it was in between like the rail station and the bus station. Yeah. So that's alarming. Everything was still in the purse and they surmised that he might have thrown that person this location on purpose. Yeah. To make the police and her family think she ran away via railway station or bus station. That's just stupid. And so he at the time

Peter Tobin at the time that this had all happened, after she went missing, he moved 500 miles away to the south end of England and Kent. Uh-huh. He bought a little terrace house and what nobody knew was that he buried Vicki Hamilton's dismembered body in his backyard. Stop. So he moved that far away and took her on the journey. Took her dismembered body 500 miles away with him. Oh, that is foul. Now, in 2006 when this Operation Antigram had begun,

they found out that Tobin lived at the time of Vicki's disappearance. They found out that he had lived very close to where she disappeared. And that's when they were like, he's connected. That's when they started pulling all this stuff. So at the time, DNA linked him to DNA found on the purse. Okay. It was actually not his.

It was his son Daniel's DNA on that purse. Oh. Which makes me stressed in a whole different way because his son was small. Right. Which means she might have been in his car where his son was, or maybe was in the car where the son had been.

And like, because he was also known to do the thing that we've seen in a few cases where he would pick up women and make them feel comfortable by having his son's toys behind him in the back seat. Right. So it's possible that she was in that car. It was transfer DNA.

Okay. I really don't want to believe that his son was actually present for any of this and somehow was able to touch that purse because that poor child. Yeah. I've tried to look up things about Daniel, by the way, and I haven't found anything, but I hope he's okay. I do, too. I really do, because I'm like, you're poor thing.

And all his ex-lives, I hope they're okay. I know, I really do. So they ended up, once they found out that this DNA on the purse matched Daniel, they were able to go to Peter Tobin's home, and in a loft, they found a knife. That knife still had Vicki's DNA on it in 2006. Wow. So they were able to use ground penetrating radar to find that there were remains in his

backyard. That backyard that he had moved 500 miles away to live in. They dug up his garden and they found a set of partial remains found and gagged. And they were like dismembered. They also found another set of remains buried in there that they were like, oh, stop. What's that? So the second set of remains was in two garbage bags and the victim had been cut in half at the waist.

The second body belonged to Dynamic Nickel. She was born on August 6, 1991. Or, excuse me, she went missing August 6, 1991. I was going to say how old was she? I know, I'm sorry. Everybody's like, oh, no, she went missing August 6, 1991. She was from Telling Him Essex, and she was the fourth youngest out of five children.

Her dad was a jazz musician, and her mother had died in a car crash when she was six. Oh, God. So her father was raising her and her four other siblings alone. Right. And he sounds like such a dad. It's just like, oh, they wanted, so the two parents had wanted to make sure

that their kids were like able to be as unique and as like whoever they were. They never wanted to, they said they, it was something like he said, we wanted to raise them as individuals and as like whoever they were. They never wanted to, they said they, it was something like he said we wanted to raise them as individuals and not as the gang. I love that. Which I was like, I love that.

That's a great, that's really cool. Way, as a result, Dino was definitely her own person and like beat to her own drummer. She loved rave music, she dressed in thrift store finds. She was super independent, just like a super cool chick. She often had like dreads in her hair and was just like, does this like free spirit person? Like eccentric.

She liked to stand out. She would like dress up for Rocky Horror Picture Show, show wings, and yeah, she was just cool. So that evening she had hitchhiked with, and she had met a friend at the music festival that she was attending. She was hitchhiking back home. This guy that she had met a friend at the music festival that she was attending. She was hitchhiking back home. This guy that she had met at the festival

was named David Tremlet and he was 26. Okay. They were just hitchhiking home together. And he got dropped off first. And he said like he said by, she was not worried about being with this man that had picked them up. Yeah.

He never saw her again. And that was it. So this guy got dropped off and then she went with Peter Tobin. It was never seen again alive. So she disappeared. When she disappeared, she was 18 years old. Her father was not psyched to let her go to the festival alone that night. He said, I hate when it's like, I didn't want to, but I did. In his reasoning, as he said, he wanted her to know that he trusted her. Oh, isn't that just like, oh.

Now, for the next, I think 10 days, her card, like her debit card was used in Southeast, Hove, Brighton, Port slade, Margette, and Ramsgate. He used her fucking debit card. And you wanna know what the money was from? On that debit card was from? Absolutely, damn. Her mother's death.

Like that was the money she had inherited from her mother's death. Like that was the sum like the money she had inherited from her mother's death. And he's still. Yeah. What a piece of shit. She was also, it's like, how old are you? And you're using an 18 year old step a piece of shit. What the fuck an actual piece of shit? She was also really tiny.

I read that she was like four foot 11 really. Yeah. So almost 13 years after Dina had gone missing, she still wasn't found at that point. Right. And her father was still holding out hope. And he said, quote, I still dare to hope that one day she'll walk through the door and give me a hug. He had a heart attack and four strokes while waiting for her to be found. Geez. According to the Guardian, he said before she was finally found. He said, quote, anything that comes on TV or the radio, something about a body being found, I

think, oh my God, no. My heart panics. When they say it was a boy or something, I feel sad for the parents, but I also feel really glad it's not my dine. But now I'm getting on a bit. I would like to die knowing where she is and have it finished. Did he was alive? He was able to be there when she was found. Well, that's good, but also horrible. It's like closure, but like the worst kind of closure. Right.

Now, her cause of death was unable to be narrowed down by autopsy. But the autopsy did show that she and Vicki both showed signs of being drugged with Emma Triptiline, which was, this was something that was prescribed to Peter Tobin. He had a prescription for it. Yeah, it was for, it was like an antidepressant, but it can also be used for its sedative effects. Okay.

And he had, when he had drugged and raped those two 14-year-old girls, that's what he had used as a sedative. Okay, so they found these things. Exactly. So this was found in Vicki's system and in Dynas. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Now, he did the classic thing, like I said, of leaving, because this guy that had hitchhiked with her said, oh yeah, there were like kids' toys in the back.

Oh. So that's why everybody felt okay. One of his neighbors saw him digging the grave in his backyard When he was doing it. Can you imagine seeing your damn neighbor digging a fucking girl? You want to know cuz he said he had the what and the again he uses his son So he said quote this neighbor said quote I looked over the fence one day and saw him digging this massive hole in the garden And I said what are you you do in Pete? You go in for Australia? And he said, no, he said, I'm digging a sand pit for the lad when he comes up somewhere for him to play. Oh my God. And then about Tuesday. And then about two days later, then about two days went by and it was all

filled in and flattened off. So the neighbors like, I literally saw this and I was like, that's weird. But like, what do you, you're not gonna automatically be like, he probably murdered someone in there. Right. They're very dumb there. It's unless you're off. But the poor, exactly. But the poor guy is like, now he's like shit. So December 2nd, 2008, he was convicted of Vicki's murder

and sentenced to life. He did, he was convicted of Vicki, Dina, and Angelika's murder. Okay, good. So he got three consecutive life sentences. What the judge said to him was, you stand convicted of the truly evil abduction and murder of a vulnerable young girl in 1991.

And thereafter of attempting to defeat the ends of justice in various ways over an extended period. Yet again, you have shown yourself to be unfit to live in a decent society. It is hard for me to convey the loathing and revulsion that ordinary people will feel for what you have done. I fixed the minimum period which you must spend in custody at 30 years.

Had it been open to me, I would have made that period run consecutive to the 21-year custodial period that you were already serving. Wow. So that judge was like, if it was up to me, you would never get out, ever, ever, ever, or have any chance to. I love that. I love that. You file piece of man shit because you are disgusting. Now Vicki's father had to be carried out of the courtroom

with help because he was so upset during the trial. That makes my heart hurt so much. And I read in several sources that Vicki along withina, was also cut in half at the waist. Yeah. And then some just said dismembered. So I'm assuming it is just cut in half at the waist, not that that's just. No, I wonder why he did that, because it's like you're burying them in the backyard.

I wonder if it was just, I think it was probably just for transport. Yeah. It's easier to transport two bags of calves than a whole. I'm sorry. Because they weren't murdered in his house. We don't know where they were murdered. Yeah.

Because it's like you wonder if they were murdered in the house, and I mean, he could just drag them out to the backyard where he was going to put them. Well, no, because he had moved 500 miles away shortly after he had killed Vicki. Vicki, right. And then Dino after he had killed Vicki. Vicki, right. And then Dino was killed shortly after Vicki, so they could have moved after that and transferred them both. There you go. Yeah.

So, what Vicki's father had to say about him was, quote, that evil bastard took part of my life away. My daughter and the grandkids I could have had. When they said he had cancer, it was the best news I'd ever read in the paper. Because what happened was after he was put in prison, he got diagnosed with cancer. Unfortunately, somehow this motherfucker is still living. Right now? Yup, he's still living.

Damn! He's being held at Edinburgh's Soughton Prison. And he brags again that he killed 48 people, but he's been telling psychologists, he got to figure it out. But he's not going to give any information. And you think he did. I think he killed a lot more people. I think he killed a lot more definitely.

When asked how he felt about the victim's family, he said he couldn't give a fuck about the families of his victims. Wow. As literally a quote, I couldn't give a fuck. It's like, what went so wrong in your mind that you're just such a monster? He also had several strokes and heart attacks in prison, lived through them all unfortunately.

Wow. He even faked his own death while in prison. He tried to pretend he was dead. And he didn't think that they were gonna like check for a fucking pulse. Apparently. Yeah. And in 2019, he was diagnosed with K was, this is when the cancer diagnosis came.

He lost a ton of weight. He couldn't eat. They thought he was going to die. They said they didn't even think he was going to live to Christmas 2019. So pass that. Here he is. He's baffling everybody. Dynas brother Dan said he hopes, when he found out the cancer diagnosis, he was like,

cool, I hope he suffers. Yeah. And then he was like, cool, I hope he suffers. And then he was like, I honestly don't want him to suffer. You don't want him to suffer. I was just going to say that it's almost better that he's alive because he's suffering a lot. He sure is, because he's in his late 70s now, so he or early 70s, I can't, I can't, he's,

he's Papa's age. Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, the same year. You're right, 46. So, and just leading into the next episode, Detective Joe Jackson, who worked on the original Bible John case and looked into this case, Detective Joe Jackson, could you have a better name? You have to be a detective, a homicide detective. That's all your name.

He said he firmly believes that Peter Tobin is Bible John. Wow. And he said he actually staked out at Barrel Land Dance Hall during the Bible John murders, looking to see if he could spot him. And he said he just knows he's him. Do I have to wait until next episode to find out why he's called Bible John?

You sure do. Fuck you. It's exactly what you think it is. Actually, it's not even very creative. I don't even like is it a religious murder? Well, he's kind of like spouts religious shit, but we'll get into that next episode. So that is Peter Tobin. That's crazy.

He's the worst. Yeah. He's a real bad guy. Yeah, he's a real bad guy. He's potentially a lot of real bad guys. Yeah, he is. He's potentially like dozens of real bad guys. Wow.

I'll wrap it up into one little shit stain. I know, he's potentially like dozens of real bad guys. Wow, all wrapped up into one little shit stain. I know, it's true. That is. I'm worried he's gonna die and he's, I mean, I know he's gonna die and he's gonna take every secret he has. Right, he's gonna be an Ian Brady. Yeah.

He's gonna go taunting everybody and just be in like, fuck the world. Maybe even worse, because I don't, I mean, me and Brady definitely didn't kill as many people as he did. Wow, I know. That's so sad for those families too. Like all these families with missing kids

that probably know that it was Bible John or Peter fucking rabbit or whatever, his ears are at the time. Peter, what do we have? Peter Tobin, Patrick McLaughlin, James Kelly, and potentially Bible John. Yeah. And there's way more.

I'll see if I can come up with the rest of them. But yeah, he came up with all. He was a McLaughlin a lot. McLaughlin is a fun last name. He chose McLaughlin many times. But yeah. So that is Peter Tobin. And yeah, he's a fucked up individual.

I think there's a book. I think there is a book, and I'll mention in the next episode that is written basically connecting him to the Bible John murders and I'll recommend it for the next one because I'm going to finish it. But yeah, so next or I keep going to say next week. I know. I know. Episode we're going to talk about Bible John. Bible John. Before we get the hell out of here. We're gonna think the backbone of this podcast. Patronuses. Patronuses.

We finally are organizing. Who we have thanked and who we haven't thanked. So, without further ado, thank you to Abby Gross. Thanks Abby Gross, you're not gross. At all. Thank you to Alana Olberg. Alana Olberg, thank you so much.

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Ashley spelled like yours. It's crazy. And her last name is McEwan. McEwan, Ashley McEwan, thank you so much. Thank you. Next up is Brecken Morgan. Brecken Morgan, that's a great name. It rhymes with Hecken. Hecken, you're Hecken great, Brecken. You're Hecken great.

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It does. Yeah, it does. Keihill. Keihill. Keihill. I bet you're nice. Yeah, you are. And last but certainly not least is Chrissy Allen.

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