Morbid - Episode 175: The Brutal Murder of Elyse Pahler

Episode Date: October 2, 2020

If you’ve ever watched the movie Jennifer’s Body, you’ve probably heard that it was inspired by a true crime case, and promptly rolled your eyes at whoever told you so. Well the truth is, it actually was. In July of 1995 Elyse Pahler snuck out of her house to meet with three boys she was beginning to consider friends. They lured her to a Eucalyptus field where they strangled, stabbed and raped her dead body all in the name of Satan. They made claims that they thought sacrificing a virgin to the devil himself would make their guitar playing better and take them to new levels of potential fame. Spoiler alert: it didn’t. As always, thank you to our sponsors: Athena Club: Stop using razors that underdeliver and switch to Athena Club! Sign up today and you’ll get 20% off your first order! Just go to AthenaClub.com and use promo code mtc Pretty litter: Get the world’s smartest litter without leaving home by visiting PrettyLitter.com and use promo code MORBID for 20% off your first order. Stamps: Get a special offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage AND a digital scale without any long-term commitment, just go to Stamps.com and type in MORBID. Philo: TV for everyone, sign up today at philo.tv/morbid and you’ll get 25% off your first two months See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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is morbid and you know that I almost said I was Elena and I know who I am, but I do. I do, I know. Exactly who this is. I know who I am. And that bitch still that bitch. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini more bad. Mini more bad, mini more bad, mini more bad. Bad. Oh, we might be a little punchy. It's been a couple weeks, guys. Cheers.

I mean, the whole world is going, I mean, hats off to all of you. And especially, let me, O'L a giant 10-gallon hat off for all the teachers out there. Oh. Because, same. Every single one of you. Every single one of you deserves like a billion dollar raise. And I hope that all the parents that are dealing with homeschooling their children, first of all, like, elbow bumps to all of you.

Yeah, we're all in this together. Yep. It's, it's hard. It is. Being a teacher is not an innate ability that we all have. I wanted to be a teacher. Like, when I started college before I dropped out, I was doing early childhood education.

And let me tell you, I asked should I be a teacher? Because she's great at it. Thank you very much. But she is. She's loved your children and they're awesome. But teaching is hard. It's hard. So I just wanted to quickly say like teachers are the best. If you know a teacher, just, you know, give them a smile. Good morning to teachers and teachers. And that's why we're a little late with these episodes the last couple of weeks. We're just trying to like transition into the fucking teachers and teachers. Yeah, like good morning to all you. And that's why we're a little late with these episodes the last couple of weeks. We're just trying to like transition into that plan.

Yeah, because you know, preschool was a thing that was supposed to be giving me more time to do these things. And now COVID has decided that it's going to give me less time. I think we talked about it too much pre-pandemic. Like we would be sitting together planning out episodes and we'd be like, oh my god, like next year's gonna be so great.

They're there for like, what? These days are like three hours. It was gonna be way more hours than it was the first year of pre-K. We're gonna be at school. Three days instead of two. Oh, it was gonna be great. And then obviously, that changed with the rest of the world.

So I just wanna let you know, that's why we've been a little off on the schedule. We wanna get back on track with it and we will. So just hang tight. I know a lot of you were like, don't worry about it and we appreciate that. So thank you for hanging in there and like letting us figure out how to do all the things. You guys are the Chester Goals. And you guys are a huge priority. The show is a huge priority. It's just, you know, we just got to figure out all the moving parts that are happening right now. You guys are like my top two priorities.

Yeah. Elena's children and the weirdo. There you go. And Annie fits somewhere in there. She's in there. You can easily win. You can easily win. But yeah, so I just wanted to like point that out that that's why we've been a little

willy-nilly with these. Yeah. But you get an episode on Friday and then you get an episode Saturday this week and then next week we are we are going to try to get back on that schedule. We're thinking Thursday Saturday is going to be easiest for us to maintain because we also have you know Crank count down a few or the things that we're just trying to make sure we have a day for everything So yeah, Thursday Saturday is our goal. We are gonna try to do that So again, thank you guys so much for hanging in there. We really do appreciate your patience, you're awesome.

Oh my God, I was gonna say TYSM, and then I was like thinking of all the other, like how to abbreviate all the other things you said, and you were like, thank you guys so much for being there. You're awesome, we really appreciate you. And I was like, well, never mind, sorry. I oversaturated it. I just got to TYSM, that's all, it's fine.

Well, this is like kind of a mini, even though we don't do those anymore, but we still leave the music in. Yeah, so let's just get into it. Enjoy the music. I would like to start this off by giving you a very large trigger morning. Yeah. If Necrofelea is not something that you'd like to listen to today. That bums you out. which it bums many out. Bums me out. Before I was a true crime host, I wouldn't listen up. I was like that, but now it's my job.

That's interesting. Yeah, it's a lot to swallow. Sure is. And choice of words. Yeah, that was actually a horrible choice of words. Anyways, so yeah, if that's not something that you're into, maybe skip this one and come back later. We'll understand.

And just trigger warning in general for the horribleness of this. Yeah, this is a rough case, guys. But it's one that connects to something else that I think is pretty interesting. Yes, exactly. And you know what, everybody's story deserves to be told. So exactly.

Without further ado, on July 22nd, 1995, Elise Marie Pollard was heading to bed. It never had to bed. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. It usually doesn't end well. No, she had hung out with her family that night. They had all watched TV together.

They had a pretty good night. And then she was hitting the hay and she yelled out to them, I love you. I'm going to bed. Oh, so and she's just going to bed. Well, as far as her parents knew, she went to sleep. They didn't know that right after yelling goodnight to them, she turned into her room and packed her bed full of pillows.

No! And then covered those pillows up to make it look like she really was in that bed before she snuck out of her French doors that were in her room for the very last time. Okay, join me, parents, and all our blood pressures simultaneously rising. I remember it so funny. I remember being a teenager and watching movies and being like, I want French doors in my room.

No, I understand why. No, my parents said no. No way. My grandparents. So, at least was 15, like I said, and she had recently hit that kind of like rebellious stage that I personally had when I was 15. Some of us reached early a little bit before that, but a little bit before.

I feel like a lot of times like 15 is kind of the age where this kind of face starts to settle in. Yeah, you're right before the sweet 16. Yeah, you're starting to, you're crystal wild in light. There you go. So she started smoking weed and she tried alcohol and she was sneaking out more and more

and her parents were really worried. And then they got even more worried when they got a call from her school one day and the school explained that she was noticeably under some kind of influence. Oh no. And she was being suspended. So the I guess the story was that like she smoked weed and like drinks in alcohol that day before school and then like went to school. I know. I really remember kids doing that though. It's a busy morning. You just never know what the day will bring. I microwave my coffee like 10 times in the morning because I can't even manage to drink that whole thing. Yeah. I don't know how I survived being like a child. I never drank before school but I definitely smoked before school a lot. Wow. Yeah. That's impressive. Thanks. Her parents, Dave and Lisa Ann, I heard in some,

like sources, Lisa Ann, but the way it's spelled in pre-sure, it's Lisa Ann. Oh, okay. Lisa Ann. Lisa Ann? Her mom. They immediately put her, these sound like gray parents, because this is what I'm gonna do if my kids do the shit

I did. Oh, what? They put her in a substance abuse program right away. Good. And they tried to talk to her about what was going on, but it just, she was telling them like, no, like nothing's happening, like I'm fine. And that's when it's so hard when people are like,

communication is key and it's like, yes, but what if they won't communicate with you? Right, and must be so hard. To be honest, it didn't really seem like much was going on. Like she was a really good soccer player. She was still playing soccer at school. She did really well in school. Her two best friends were like good girls. Like they weren't known to party or anything like that. Like she was like the wild child of the three of them.

So they were like, what is going on? Like why? And even her friends were worried about the things that she was starting to get into. Wow. So I think she just was thinking it was born to be good. She made a choice, you know? So the next morning, Davin Lee Sand realized that Elise was not in her bed, and they obviously freaked the fuck out. Oh, God, that feeling. She had snuck out before, and they had caught her, but she always came back.

Like, she would have never been gone all night into the morning. Oh, no. So they went to the police and they explained what was going on, how worried they were the whole deal. And the police were obviously concerned because this is a 15 year old girl, but they definitely ended up treating like this, treating this case like more of a runaway situation. I was just going to say that I can see why they immediately went to that. Right.

She's 15. Right. Exactly. And I've got to think of this. You said exactly what I was going to say because I understand why they would think that because she is starting to do all this crazy stuff. So they're like, well, you don't like you, she's doing all this crazy stuff. So who's to say that she wouldn't run away? Yeah. Exactly. And you're starting. Now that the parents are starting to, you know, actually give consequences and start like putting her in some sort of views and and pushing back on these bad things.

That would be the time where she'd be like, fuck it, I'm gonna run away. Exactly, so I can kinda see it. I mean, her family, they were like, maybe that's the case, but they didn't really think so. They were like, no, something sinister has happened here. I feel like you know your kid. Well, especially I think, obviously dads too,

but I think especially moms have that gut feeling when something is wrong. And you know what, I think dads get it too. I do too, yeah. I bite my hat on that one. I really bite my hat. Dads get it too. Mamas and dadas know. Yeah, and especially if you're close with your kid,

like they seem like they had a good family dynamic. If you're close with your kid, you know your kid. Right. And the other thing that they were pointing towards was that there was a lot of exciting things going on in Elise's life. Like, I said, she was playing soccer. She had friends at school.

But also, they were planning to move to a new town. And Elise was particularly really excited because she was sick of, they lived in a royal grande. Oh, great. Did I say that right? Grande, okay, okay, okay. Like a grande for Apachina. Exactly. So they were moving because I think

they were moving for like a couple different reasons. But one of the big reasons was like they were like, let's get her in a different school system. Yeah, let's try this somewhere else. Right. Let's give this another go. And she was excited. She was like getting bored of where she lived. And she was like, cool, like let's do it. And she was pretty social like a free spirit. So she wasn't worried about moving and making new friends or anything

like that. Yeah, it sounds like she that wasn't worried about moving and making new friends or anything like that. Yeah, it sounds like she that wasn't a problem for her. No, and she was also the oldest of four kids and she was really close with her siblings. So they were like, she wouldn't have ran away from and left her siblings and like not told to them or something like that. And even though she did think

that her parents were overreacting to her recent extracurricular activities, she again was close with her parents too and didn't to her recent extracurricular activities, she again was close with her parents too and didn't really have a reason to run away. Yeah. Off. So, of course, a missing 15-year-old girl from California had everybody talking. Of course. And like coming up with different theories

and yada yada yada, and soon all these tips started to fly in. And a lot of people were calling, like specifically giving this tip that they saw Elise and South San Luis Obispo. Did I say that? Yeah, I think he said that right. Cool, sounds good to me.

Everybody was saying that they saw it. We're from Massachusetts. Yeah, it's hard. Everything is hard. You guys got crazy names for your towns. So do saying that they saw her. We're from Massachusetts. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. Everything is hard. You guys got crazy names for your towns. So the way spell willster. Exactly. We all got crazy names. Yeah, exactly. So everyone was saying that they saw her in San Luis Obispo.

And searches, they would do searches out there and nothing would turn up. Like they were like, if she's here, she's doing a damn good job of hiding. Yeah. So like nothing was going on. But the sad thing is that it was giving the family a ton of hope that she really was still out there. And they're like, okay, so maybe she did run away. Like people are seeing her. All these people are calling, saying they saw her.

And it's like, which is shitty, because all those people that call and said they saw her did not actually see her. And I'm sure maybe it was a mistake of like a look alike. But I'm sure. It's also like maybe be sure. Maybe. Like maybe maybe it was a mistake of like a look alike, but I'm sure. I'm sure. Maybe be sure. Maybe.

Like maybe just, if you're gonna call an tip to the police, maybe be sure. Take a beat. Yeah, definitely. We just go, was that someone or was it just a girl with blonde hair? Like maybe say, cross your teeth and dot your eyes. Yeah, really cross those teeth.

Yeah. Maybe engrave them into a stone, carve them to a tree. It's really there. I know. And this is sad. Her grandmother, who she was named after. So grandma Elise sent out a plea directly to granddaughter Elise and said, please come home, like we can figure everything out. While we figure things out, like, about why you left and like why this happened, like you can stay with me until everything's figured out, like just come home. Oh, the like pain.

So, so sad. Like enveloped my soul for them. I know. That's just so, so weeks and months went by and there was absolutely no sign of a lease other than these stupid tips. So then, almost nine months later, nine months of that, nine months this teenager walks into the police station, his name's Royce Casey and he

confesses to Elise's murder. Damn, just walks in the family later nine months later, walk straight into the police station and tells them everything that had happened exactly where she was. He ended up eventually leading them to her body and he told them all about the other two teens that he committed this horrific crime with. What kind of like grand spirit came to him and was like, you better f**k up motherfucker? He found religion. Yeah, I was gonna say something. He found something. He found religion and he got real scared damn And we're gonna get into why he was so fucking scared damn So these two other teens that he murdered Elise with were Jacob

Delash mutt. I think is how you say it and Joseph Fiorrella. He's a dick. So it doesn't matter What is all three of them are Dix? My name is Joseph dickhead. Yes. Yeah to dick mutt. To dick mutt All three of them are Dix. The last name is Joseph Dickhead. Yes, did Dick Muck. Did Dick Muck? There you go. So the three of them were known in the area as just like Dix.

Dix and like burnout, basically. Okay. I always think of mean girls when I say that. Yeah. Like she goes through like the lunch tables. They would be at the burnout table. What you would think like the burnout, they're usually just like very chill and nice.

Well, they were, they were a little more than burn. These three, I was gonna say these three must have been, they were also just like very chill and nice. Well, they were, they were a little more than these three. I was gonna say these three must have been, they were also like on meth. So, okay. So they're not just like, stoners, like. No, no, no, they're, they bring stoner to a different level. Yeah, they really, I'ma tell you all about it.

They, they were professional. You professionals. Yeah. They had business cards. They did actually. It's a different kind of business card. Oh shit. So they'd stopped going to school a long time ago. So they actually weren't sitting at any lunch table

to be honest. And they regularly did drugs like speed. Oh, acid. Very young. Acid. Very young. Yeah, mess. And even enjoyed the occasional sniff of glue.

Oh, just the occasional sniff. I need to know how people, if you've ever sniffed glue, I need to know like, why? How? How? What happens? Like, I feel like my eyes and head hurt. Like just thinking about it.

I wanna know if you whip out the almer's glue, if you take off the cap and like you just sit there and sniff it. Is that what sniffing glue is? Or do you like heat it up? Or is that just code for sniffing. Is that what sniffing glue is? Or do you heat it up? Or is that just code for something out? Is sniffing glue, do you heat it up and get the fumes that way? Because I feel like sniffing glue,

but it's like, kindergarteners would be fucked up constantly. Exactly. We might want to go check on the girls if they're doing a craft. That's gonna save us. There's a whole class of pre-K kids that are just like, are like the girl rushing out over here.

And like Billy Madison, when the teacher's just like, rubbing the glue on herself, like, is she sniffing glue? Well, and all of us dipped our fingers in Elmer's glue and then let it dry, so that you still do it. So that you can peel it off and feel that sensation, that you will never feel for anything else in your life.

People on TikTok are doing that to their faces. I mean, okay. And I kind of want to do it too. I mean, get it, I guess. But that seems dangerous if you're thinking of glue that way. But I have to imagine in order to break down all the things you need to break down to get the fumes you would need for this, you would have to heat it up.

You know how recently you started having to show your ID if you got like Nike Will or something? Like that happened in recent years. What if you had to to show your ID if you got like Nyquill or something like that happened like in recent years. Yeah. What if you had to start showing your ID to get almost glue? You're like, I have a school project and I'm 16. I'm 16. I'm not trying to be a malbus. You might heat it up. Well, let us know. But let us know because we really don't know. No, and I'm genuinely curious. And it's honestly not something I feel like I have time to

look up because it's just my own. It's significant. I thought you were going to say it's honestly like not something that like I'm at this point in my life going to try. No, it's not. But I'm not going to look it up. So if somebody could just tell me that would be great. I'll look up so much other things, but I'm not looking up how you sniff glue. So much on that. So many other things. Not that. I have a lot of fucked up shit on my Google site as a thing. I don't need to on that. So many other things. Not that. I have a lot of fucked up shit on my Google site as a thing. I don't need to add. I already have the FBI probably sitting there watching my shit already.

I don't need to add. I don't need to be stopped at Target. At Target. Next time I want to do a craft with glue. I don't need to add how to half glue. So they just get back into it in case you forgot, because sometimes people forget when we digress.

Yes. They did drugs like speed, acid meth, occasionally sniffing glue, and they also smoked weed, which it's like, why don't you just do that? It's fun enough as is. And they drank a ton. Okay. So the brain is depleting. Yeah.

There's, oh, and I also think they did Coke, which like, yeah, it's holes in the brain. Wow. Precious few neurons up in there. It's a neuron graveyard in there. R-I-P. Wow. And they were also known to hang out at this old drainage pipe called the pipe of death.

That sounds awesome. And it's actually really sad because it was called the pipe of death because a kid had actually died there earlier. He like, I think he fell to his death. What the fuck? And they like to hang out there because. Everything about this died there earlier. He like, I think he fell to his death. What the fuck? And they like to hang out there because. Everything about this is just horrible.

Yeah. Now are you ready for this? No. So Joffi Arella was the youngest one in the group. At 14 years old. He was 14 at the time that at least disappeared. You're straight up. Jacob.

Dedu Shn nut was 15. Children. And Royce Casey, the one who turned himself in, at the time that this happened was 16 years old. Children. Like, what the fuck, you're all like freshman to juniors in high school. That's crazy.

If you were going to high school. They got a shit that they were doing. Yeah. Then you add on top of it, murder. Well, and their frontal lobes probably just never fucking fused. Oh, their frontal lobes pieced out a long time ago.

They dipped. Because your frontal lobes not even developed until you were 25. Their frontal lobe just like, it's just like conca-caved in on itself. It may have. I'm not doing this. So it's nuts to me.

So like I said, Joffiara is the youngest in the group at 14 and he's the ringleader. Oh, wow. Now, all of them had recently become interested in Satanism. And I just want to say before I get into any of this, that this is like whatever they did to worship Satan. Yeah.

Like, they're like bastardized version of what they saw as a type of religion. We have talked about it before, but just in case you're new here, Satanism sounds cool as hell otherwise. In the real version of it. Like the real version of it. Where they don't actually worship Satan. Yes. But I don't want to like offend any actual, like, like people.

Which I think people listening, if you've listened to us before, you know how we have, we have distinguished between people's perceptions of it and how some people take it to a dark place. Yes. The real what it actually is. But I just want to say that.

Yeah. So they had recently become interested in Satanism and they were all members of the Church of Satan like according to themselves. Okay. Um, in fact, Card-Caring members. Well, you would, yes, you would talk to about, it's really funny. I knew it.

That's my next sentence. They had all talked, I didn't write card-caring members, but they had all ordered cards on the internet for a hundred bucks a piece to prove their allegiance. Wow, sir. All right. Because I don't know if that's like what you do, but that's what that's not sure.

If questions for some reason, they could whip it out and be like, I hail Satan. Yeah, so excuse me, I am a member of the Church of Satan. Yes, and what I did write was Weird Flex, but okay, very weird flex. I think that's probably in Church of Satan. Yes. And what I did write was Weird Flex, but okay. Very weird flex. I think that's probably in all of my scripts at some point. Just Weird Flex, but okay. Weird Flex, but okay. Because that's kind of like that just, that honestly should be like one of the

models of this podcast is like all these cases are usually at one point or another weird flex, but okay. But okay, or sometimes weird flex, not okay. Not okay. There was also another site that they like to go to called Male-Maldica, I think is how you say it? Maldica? Yeah, Mal-Maldicta. That's probably wrong. That's too much emphasis on the dick.

But anyways, they ordered a knife there that they would decide to commit the perfect sacrifice of a virgin with. Oh, that's, yeah, okay. That's what I ordered next for. That's why I got my fucking quiz and art set. I ordered them to make a better mince when I cut garlic, or onion, but do you,

or the basil? Or the basil? The basil. But you do you. I'm like an herbously giggling, because this case is very uncomfortable case. So we're just making jokes to make ourselves not don't die. I hate every part of this.

Yeah, it's terrible. So the sacrifice of a virgin was something that all three of them had been obsessed lately with talking about. And they would talk about it so often, like it had already happened that like people around them started to be like, I think they killed a virgin. They're really kind of a virgin. It was like talking the town, but everybody was like, they didn't actually kill a virgin

and they had their children. But Joe was really obsessed with the idea. Like a lot more so than anybody else, it seems. I also wonder if they were virgins themselves and if one of them suggested, can't we just kill one of you two? So I was the wing leader, I'd be like, let's just kill one of you two? So I was the wing leader. I'd be like let's just kill one of you two. Well, so I have that question later. Okay, good. I'm glad it comes back in a great way. Oh good. Yeah, I love this. Oh Joe was obsessed with it and I'm assuming he was a virgin because like he looks like a little shit and he was 14

so I don't know whatever. He started reading a lot of Alistair Crowley books. Okay, you know that guy. This is very cliche all of this. Yes, I was thinking of like, I was actually thinking of Damien Eccles because he was interested in like reading all of the different things. Yes, exactly. And he, this is when I stopped thinking about Damien Eccles because I know this didn't happen.

But he Joe did this ritual all the time. And I think it's from one of Alistair Crowley's books apparently, where you catch a frog and you crucify it like Jesus was crucified to the cross. Oh. Like you crucify the frog like that. And then you cook it and you eat it. Oh.

Yes. Okay. And then after you eat it, you're supposed to feel the effects of the great spiritual power that it leaves coursing through your blood and veins and everywhere. From the frog. Yeah. It's, I mean, frog legs are a delicacy. spiritual power that it leaves coursing through your blood and veins and everywhere. From the frog. Yeah. It's, I mean, frog legs are a delicacy.

I don't really know why it doesn't make sense to you. Yeah, I know. I'm very, I'm just, that's not even a weird flash. I'm not of that level, I suppose. I'm definitely not of that caliber. Hey there, fellow podcast listener. It's Elena. And Ash.

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criminal minds. I promise you won't regret adding these 10 minutes to your morning routine. Hey Prime members, listen to the Amazon Music exclusive podcast Killer Psychie Daily in the Amazon Music app. Download the app today. So he was doing this a ton like he was fraud-catchin' left and right crucifying, cooking, and eating. And yeah, I couldn't find anything really about where their parents were. Cause that's, yeah, that's, I was like, so wait. First of all, where are you going?

I don't see crucifying these frogs. Like these several, just you have many crosses on which to crucify tiny frogs. I don't know. And then where is he cooking them? Is he cooking them on a little stove that he's made outside or on a fire? I just don't know. And also, how he cooking them? Is he cooking them on a little stove that he's made outside or on a fire? I just don't know.

And also, how do you, does he have a meat thermometer? Because I feel like there's a lot of, you know, maybe he just charred them. I feel like it'd be really heavy that a lot of him to do that. For food poisoning here. And then you're just throwing up the great spirit. I think that when you decide to eat a frog, I think that you just like cross off the part where you're worried about getting poisoned. But if you have, you're supposed to be, you know, absorbing the great spirit.

If you're vomiting up the great spirit, maybe that's why we eat so many of them. Yeah, maybe he was just trying, but it's like just, he could have got to meet the moment. Well, and maybe that's why he decided that he wanted more power. And that's one of the reasons that he decided to sacrifice an actual virgin. Big jump. I don't know. Big jump. Like I said, he wanted more power. And actually, one of the reasons that he wanted more power

was because it was gonna make their band a lot better. Yeah, I said their band. Yeah, I see that. Yeah, I see that. I can see those bands connecting. I see it, of course. If the power is coursing through you, your band's gonna get better. More see it. Of course. Yeah. Howers coursing through you, your band's going to get better.

More, you know, wattage for your amps. I get it. I power. I think they thought so. I get it. And I meant to tell you, this case is actually like what? Jennifer's body was like loosely inspired by one of my, like, that's a crazy, crazy thing about this case. I had no idea. Yeah. I did not, I had read briefly that Jennifer's body was based off of some case. Here it is. But I always thought it was based off of a murder, but not actually a band looking for more

power, like sacrificing a virgin. Yeah, not the motive. I didn't think the motive was there. I thought that was somebody, a writer's brain. It was not. It was not. It was not, it was not. It was a pre-teen's brain. So that's why they wanted to get the power

to make the band better. So the three of them, and actually this other kid Travis Williams, they were all, and he was like into all the stuff they were doing, they were in a band together called Hatred. Oh my God. Because they hated everyone except Satan. We are Hatred.

And this is is hatred. Oh God with the sickness I'm hoping on that actually really hurt I just like actually I taste blood. No, I don't I don't I'm kidding. I am averaging It's a so their music that they were doing was modeled after slayer Oh, okay, and if you're like if you don't know what that is, it's an American Heavy Metal band, and they have some wild lyrics.

Which most like heavy metal bands do. Yeah, that's just like part of metal. I mean, Lika, we talked about the Smiths a few weeks ago. They literally wrote a song about like the death of children. And I mean, they're not metal, but like, you know, but I'm saying like that happens with music. Yeah, it's like, I always hate when it's like, which I'm sure you'll talk about.

Yeah, we'll get into it. So, Joe kept telling them all that if they sacrificed a real virgin instead of all these frogs, that they would become unstoppable and get hella famous because especially their guitar playing was gonna get so much better. We all know how, you know, frogs and guitar playing, just they go hand in hand.

Well, no, they don't. That's why they needed to do the real virgin. Oh, I forgot, you need the virgin. Yes, I forgot about that. Because the frogs were only gonna do so much for the guitar playing. So it sounds like the frogs were just gonna add to maybe like the wattage of their amps a little bit.

Yes, but the virgin was really. They thought that it was gonna bring them to like levels of actual fame. Yeah, virgins are known for their guitar playing. Yes, I suppose. Yeah. So this is what they had to do. They had to find the perfect virgin with blonde hair and blue eyes. I'm good. I'm good too. You are. I have brown eyes. And apparently that was preferable, like the blonde hair blue eyes thing. And Joe already had a perfect candidate in mind. Oh my gosh. He was like obsessed with Elise, like obsessed.

And she would be quote, he said, the ultimate sin against God. Oh. And get them their quote, ticket to hell. Hate all of them. Because they want to go to hell. Of course they do. Like they need to meet.

How very metal. Yes, like that's where they're going to perform. So Jacob D'Douchna, that's his new name. Deducina. Actually, new Elise from the Substance Abuse class. He had to go to the same one and they met there. And they like, I don't know if they talked there or if they just like became acquainted,

but they also like saw each other at school when Deducina decided to go. And I also read in some sources, but not all, that they rode the school bus together. Oh, okay. But I know that they weren't really going to school like Jacob and his crew, so I don't know. Like so like I said, they weren't friends, but they knew of each other, and they had talked on a couple occasions. And like obviously that was going to have to change. They were going to have to talk if they were going to get more acquainted. So Jacob knew,

obviously after attending these substance abuse classes that Elise liked to smoke weed. He at least knew that about her. Yeah. And I guess she had somewhat of a reputation for hanging out with older guys who would like smoke her up for free, which like I feel like most 15 year olds who are rebellious also have their reputation. Same. So that's what he told Joe. I don't know anything about that. So that's what he told Joe. He was like, I can figure out how to get her with us. And next to Satanism, Slayer and Insane Guitar Powers at least became his newest obsession.

Oh, no. Joe's newest obsession. And you would think that they're doing this whole like version thing and they need the perfect version and blonde hair and blue eyes. And it's like, you think she wouldn't be the perfect because she's like naughty. Literally, I was streaming my hair this morning

and I was thinking that. And I was like, she's into like some of the stuff that you guys are into, which is like bad. And she's like, you know, yeah, bad. And it's like, wouldn't you get like a very pure version like somebody who's like, some church going to like a goody, a goody-toothew. Right, exactly.

That's what I would think. I mean, preferably don't get anybody, but I'm just saying they seem to be not really adhering to their own yet. And I have my thoughts as to why they picked you. And I think most people do. Yeah. So like I said, they had to become more friendly with her.

So they started talking to her more and more and they offered her some pot. And she accepted and she went to smoke with them at the pipe of death. That's a pipe of death. So she started hanging out there with them, I guess, like every now and then. And when they weren't around her,

they plotted and planned ways to kill her and sacrifice her body to the devil. Wow. So they would hang out with her and then they'd get finished hanging out with her, like whatever, leave. And then they would go talk about like how they were gonna kill her.

Like these kids were, that's horrifying. The fact that they were like bonding, yeah, like how they were gonna kill her. Like these kids were fucked. That's horrifying. You're sitting there like bonding. Yeah, like we need to bond with her before we viciously murder her and sacrifice her to Satan. Holy shit. And they had tried at one point earlier to kill her. I read two different accounts on how this all went down.

So it both involved in a bakement. I read that the first one is that Travis Williams, that kid who they sometimes hung out with, he pretended to have fallen down into the bakement, but he was holding a knife, and they ran to see if Elise would go help, and she went down and saw Travis holding the knife, and the three other boys started yelling,

do it, do it, do it. And he, he like froze and couldn't do it, thank God. But the other story says that they pushed Elise down in a bank meant and it was near her house. So her mom happened to be walking by and heard the whole commotion. And then when she asked Elise like, what the fuck was that all about? Elise was just like, oh, like those boys just like to mess

with me, like it's nothing. Oh, I hate, I hate all of it. So I feel, I hate it. I feel like it was probably the first one because they had been plotting this for a long time in the ways and like Travis was involved at that point. And I think that when she had gone missing, her mom probably would have said something about these boys.

For sure. Like, yeah. They were bothering her. And they pushed her down in a bank. Pushing down an embankment also doesn't seem like a sacrificing a virgin kind of death. No, the knife seems like it has to be involved here. Exactly. It's a really like pretending to be like sacrificial and

like ceremonial. I agree. I agree completely. Yeah. But on Alisa's side, I honestly think that she just thought that they were all becoming friends. And she liked the sense of rebellion around the whole thing because you think when the cool bad kids invite you to hang out you're like, oh shit, like you're part of the show. This is so fun. Sometimes being bad is fun when you're younger.

Well, yeah, and just anytime you're accepted into anything, it's cool when you're younger. And these boys were outcasts. And I think she liked anybody. She would hang out with anybody, but I also think because she was in her rebellious stage, it was cool that they were the outcasts, and I think she liked anybody. She would hang out with anybody, but I also think because she was in her rebellious stage, it was like cool that they were in the outcast. And she was just a super trusting person in general.

After she disappeared, her dad said about her, quote, Elise was very trusting. That was the root of the problem. She never thought there could be anything wrong with anybody. Ooh, which is just the saddest thing ever. So just the day before she went missing, Elise was hanging out with her friends at another friend's house

with a bunch of people. It kind of sounded like it was party. Yeah, it didn't seem so. Hanging out with her friends. I don't know other friends house. There were a lot of people there. There was music, could be a cake. It sounds like a party.

Yeah, I don't know. Lots of music, lots of boom, boom, boom, boom. And Jacob D'Douchnott was there. And he told her that he had just got some wicked, good weed. He got the chronic and he got some acid and that he would do it with her if she wanted. And she apparently agreed and they exchanged, I know, and they exchanged numbers.

So the next night, he called her two times to invite her out and he told her where to meet. And that was the same night that she told her parents good night. I love you and packed her bed with the pillows. No. Her parents remember these phone calls. She got two phone calls.

She hung out for a little tiny bit longer and then she went to bed. Doesn't that just like turned around, said I love you, good night, packed her bed with the pillows and left her house for the very last time? No, that like destroys me. In this whole time. Her parents think that she's gone to bed. She's just going to bed.

Or in for like the eight months afterwards, thought that maybe, maybe, maybe she was a runaway. This is, I mean, this is gonna make me even crazier with the girls, because I'm already, they're four., I mean, this is gonna make me even crazier with the girl, no. Because I'm already, they're four. And I go into their room multiple times a night. Yeah. Like, I think that's just like what you do is a parent.

Total paranoia. Like, I'm gonna do. My kids are never gonna sleep because I'm just gonna be like constantly, sup, I am constantly leaning over them, just being like, you're so beautiful. Or like, whenever I'd babysit, I like constantly go up there

and like hold my finger under the nose, especially when they were like baby babies. So I'd go fuck. So Elise had had it out to meet with the three boys. Together they all smoked in some sources I read that they dropped acid. But in other sources it didn't say that. So I could only confirm that they smoked together.

And then the guy suggested going to this eucalyptus field to smoke some more and just like hang out. And also I feel like that sounds like so fun if you were, if that's actually all that was gonna happen. Like you could have eucalyptus field to smoke? Like that's cool. It does, it sounds cool. But it wasn't. Oh and if you're wondering where Travis Williams was on that night, he actually couldn't make it because he had just been arrested for shooting an elderly woman. Oh!

Yeah, so that's where he was that night. In jail, for shooting a fucking elderly woman. Here I was thinking Travis not being able to do the like thing with the knife and the embankment. I was like, oh, so Travis is the one that's like, oh, I have a contact. That's why I put that in there. Just kidding.

Yeah, no, he was, he holy shit. He didn't panic, I guess, when it came to the elderly. Wow. Yeah, so anyway. So these kids are fucking assholes. It's insane. I guess water seeks its own level. It does.

Wow. So anyway, when they all got there, they were just like hanging out, just probably like passing around a joint or whatever. And then suddenly, one of the boys pulled a leash by her hair to her feet and knocked her down on her back. And if you've stuck around this long

and you're like kind of like maybe not feeling this, this is probably the time for you to go. This is gonna be rough. Love you so much. Have a good night. So they grab her by her hair, pull her to her feet, and then push her back down onto her back. Now, Jacob takes off his belt and wraps it around her

and begins to strangle her with it, while Royce Casey held her down. And then Joffi Arella was the first to stab her with the knife directly into her throat. Oh! Stabbed her directly into her throat. Oh my God! Then the three of them took turns

passing the knife around and stabbing her in the throat. Oh my god. Then the three of them took turns passing the knife around and stabbing her in the throat. Oh my god. Just like continued to stab her. Royce Casey later told the police that this is so sad. She continually called out for her mom, which ruins me. Oh, I hate that. And she prayed to God the whole time,

like, please make this stop, please make this stop. Oh my God. I mean, while she's in the middle of a fucking real, like, eucalyptus field, like, there's like, there are probably the middle of nowhere. Alone with these demons. With these actual demons from hell. Holy shit. Except I don't even want to call them demons from hell, because that's what they want it

to be. Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. And then this is really fucking horrible. When they felt like she wasn't dying quickly enough, they stomped on her neck. I'm, oh wow. And then, wow. Big time trigger warning.

When they were finally sure that she was dead, they defiled her corpse. Of course they did. And there's evidence to suggest that they actually came back on multiple occasions to continue to do so days after. What the fuck. Yeah, so they they like bun Did I was just gonna say when the money got like wild they bun Did it so Royce Casey? Oh, it's her if that is so beyond fuck. Yeah, so Royce Casey in the months after killing Elise stopped hanging out with Jacob and Joe and Found religion because if you're ever gonna find religion you should probably do it after you murder somebody brutal Yeah. So Royce Casey in the months after killing Elise stopped hanging out with Jacob and Joe and found religion, because if you're ever going to find religion,

you should probably do it after you murder somebody, brutal. What a great time to find it. Yeah, of course. When you need to be just forgiven of everything. I mean, it probably had a lot to do with his guilty else conscience. Yeah, I would suppose so. And he said he was having visions of Elise

and all these flashbacks. Good. And I guess I'll say it at the end end or I'll put in the show notes. I can't remember the book that I read. But he, the day that he confessed, he saw like a missing poster of Elise. And that's when he like really decided to go to the police. I hope Elise was haunting the motherfuckin' shit that I had. I actually just got chills and I think she was.

I hope she was. And I'm glad that she was. Yeah. I hope she fucking destroyed him. So not only was that fucking him up, but he was also worried that Joe and Jacob might actually come for him next. Yeah.

If they're willing to do that. Because I'm assuming if he was so worried that they were coming from him for him, that he was virgin. Oh, there you go. And you know how they loved the band Slayer? I guess there's a line in one of Slayer songs that says you're either with us or against us.

And like, these kids took Slayer's, like, lyrics that are supposed to be like art and like, I guess fun. Yeah, and it's just like, they just took them to the end to a bridge. It's a persona. Right. Like, these metal bands have a persona.

Like, comedians have a persona. Exactly. Like, you don't, anybody who actually is like, wow, that's who they are as people, it's like, no. All right, sit down. They'd be in jail.

Sit down, we gotta teach you some things. Right. But he knew how serious they took it and he was like, oh, fuck, like I gotta do something about this. I don't know what took him so long. But I'm like, you know, at the end of that night, it should have been pretty clear. Like they're pretty willing to do anything

and they bonded with this girl. Yeah, and they're willing to do it. So you think you're any different? No, you're not and you're being led by a fucking 14 year old You have a lot of you have a long list of worries. You got to rethink a lot So it was March 13th 1996 when he actually went to the police to tell them everything like I said he led them to Alisa's body that had been in the Eucalyptus field for more than eight months now. Eight months. She obviously was very badly decomposed,

but a forensic pathologist was able to determine, excuse me, that none of her wounds were fatal and she actually died from bleeding out. Yeah. That is horrific. Stab 12 times strangled, stomped on her neck and then defiled her corpse. So they raped her and she was still alive probably Yeah, dying dying they raped her dying body and then raped her corpse Yeah, horrific that's a lot to handle it really is a lot deep breath everybody collective It's a lot. Deep breath, everybody. Collective, deep breath.

So Jacob, Delashmont, and Joffi or Ella were arrested right after Royce had been interrogated. And they all admitted pretty much right away. Like yeah, we did this, and we had been planning this for a while. What the fuck? I think they wanted to be like, yeah, we're like Satanists. Yeah, we're so scared. We're so scared. Yeah, it doesn't matter because we're going to hell anyways.

We're demons. Like, okay, fun girl. Joe admitted to that he was the one who had the idea in the first place and he really wanted to align himself and he wanted like his bros to be aligned with Satan, but he said everyone was equally willing and ready to do this. Wow.

And that's true actually, because Royce Casey, I feel like sometimes like when people listen, they're like, well, because Royce Casey, I feel like sometimes when people listen, they're like, well, at least he turned himself in. Yeah. It's like, no, no, because this was in his diary. Oh, no. Oh, God. I'm fighting on the other side now.

Yes. I'm going to do your best. I'm fighting on the other side now, allied with the darkened souls. Satan's raised and shall conquer and reign in the Bible. It says that in the end Lucifer will bring out his best in everything. Music, love, murder. All the psychocereal killers and rapists didn't know that if they actually just build an altar of sacrifice and kill the person on the altar and then have repeated sex with the curbs. Virgin meat is the ultimate sacrifice.

Yikes. If all this, of all the serial killers just knew that you just had to make an altar and then defile a corpse. If all of them just did, you know, what? These literal infant children, they knew that, they know it. Why the fuck didn't anybody else know it? Why?

They've discovered it. What? So they were tried very quickly and it's sentenced. Good. And we're gonna talk about Elise's grandma Elise. At the trial, I love this woman. Elise Walter said, I wish I had known what they were planning. I would have rung their scrawny little necks.

Oh my God. Yes. Scrubble. So all three of them were sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, and they all went to different attention centers around California. So they couldn't bro it out. They couldn't bro it up.

They do have chances for parole though, which is like fucked up. And actually, one of them recently had a chance at parole in 2020, but I don't know. I couldn't find anything extra on like afterwards, but I wonder if COVID had anything to do with like pausing them. So, all right, well, there's something. Let's all write into California

that we don't want them let out. Yeah, fuck that. Like you should have no possibility of pull. No, but I think it was because they were so young. Of course. Even though people did push for them to be try to as adults. Yeah, that's a pretty adult crime that they did. Certainly is.

Elise's family was not just happy with the killers in prison though, and you know what, they're parents, so we're gonna say what we think about like this whole thing, but at the end of the day, these are her parents, and I don't blame them for anything they did. Absolutely not. So at the trial, all three of the kids talked about how the music heavily influenced them.

Probably to claim insanity or some sort. Yeah, that's bullshit. Or just pass the book on Slayer. Or if it inspired you that much, then you are a weak minded person. Oh, just wait. So specifically Slayer music. So Slayer.

Of course Slayer. Lisa's parents actually filed to lawsuit against them. One was against the band itself and their record label for unlawfully marketing and distributing harmful and obscene products to minors. And the specific lyrics that they pointed out, I'm just going to read a quick expert excerpt. Arotic sensations tingle my spine, a dead body lying next to mine, smooth blue black lips. I start salivating as we kiss. Mine forever, the sweet death. I cannot forget your soft breaths,

panting excitedly with my hands around your neck. I love you, how I love to kill you. I mean, okay. So it's definitely fucked up. But here's the thing. It's again, I don't blame the parents for whatever they wanted to do after this because I can't even Fat them. I would probably do the same thing. But I would more be concentrating on the parents of the kids Because it's not Slayer's fault that they bought their album. It's the kids the parents fault that they're listening to the album. Yes Well, because Slayer has no responsibility to parent kids. They took that route too, because there's two different lawsuits. Elise's father told the LA Times Slayer and others in the industry have developed sophisticated strategies to sell death metal music to adolescent boys.

They don't care whether the violent misogynistic messages in these lyrics cause children to do harmful things. They couldn't care less about what their fans did to our daughter, all they care about is money. Okay. Which, you know, not super fair, but I it's like it's horrible what happened to their daughter So yeah, and it's like all I would be singing higher ups and the music business all they do care about is money So it's like yeah, you are you are talking the truth right? So slayers drummer Responded by saying they're trying to blame the whole thing on us. That's such nonsense. If you're going to do something stupid like that, you should get in trouble for it.

True. I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah, I agree with that. Both lawsuits against the band were thrown out because they're protected by the first amendment. Yeah, it's free speech. There's not much to do.

And again, they didn't incite something. These kids wanted to do this. Exactly. The first judge was a little rude about his decision. He was like, and this is a quote, where do you draw the line? You might as well start looking through the library at every book on the shelf.

It's like, well, I would for reasons why my daughter was murdered. Yeah, and that's what they say. It's like, is that correct? Kind of. Yeah. It's like, you don't need to say it. It goes without saying. Yeah, it goes without saying. And it's like, you don't need to say it. It goes without saying. Yeah, it goes without saying.

It's like you don't need to say it to grieving parents. No. These parents I could not fathom. No. What they're going through. And then the second judge said Slayer lyrics are repulsive and profane, but they do not direct or instruct listeners to commit the acts that resulted in the vicious torture murder of Elise Pauler. Exactly. And that is true. The final words from D'dushna, D'Lashmutt, and Joffi Arella, D'Lashmutt told the Washington Post Elise was murdered because Joffi Arella was obsessed with her and obsessed with killing her. And I read this article that was like, yeah, and he probably just wanted to have sex with her. And that was the only way he knew how. Did they have sex? No. No. No, he raped her. But that's exactly what it was.

Yeah, he didn't get it consensually, so he was gonna take it. Exactly. And it's like, oh, I just can't. There also all three of them are fucking repulsive. Oh, just wait until I post their damn photo. Pulsive. And it's scary, does he look at Joe Ferella

and he looks like a fucking baby. He does. And ugly baby. And does and ugly baby. A very ugly baby, you know, like one of like overcooked. Yeah, but he was the fucking ringleader and you look at him and you're like, what? You are listening to this little fetus baby-faced idiot. What is wrong with you? So baby-faced idiot himself said to Entertainment Weekly, it's almost embarrassing that I was so influenced by the music, it started to influence the way I looked

at things. It's almost a bit, not quite. It's not quite embarrassing that I was so influenced by the music. Like, whoo, I want it, I wish, and I don't know what the follow-up question was, but I hope it was, but it is really fucking embarrassing that you murdered someone, right?

Sure is. And to file the corpse, right? Like, you're ashamed of that? I think as this kid say, he's literally like, who? I was so close to being embarrassed there for a second, but like, about the music just came close. Cool.

What about the girl whose life you took? Yeah, no, we're not even thinking about that. No, and he's definitely not. No, I just, I don't want to think of music as influencing me. No. And he has gone back and forth for years at this point about the music influenced me. No, it didn't.

It didn't have anything to do with it. I just wanted to sacrifice a virgin. It was all about the devil. And it's like, okay. Which if you go back and forth, then the music didn't influence you. No, because it's clear. You just said it.

Right. Wanted to do it, so you did it. Exactly. That's what it is. That's black and white. That's exactly what it's meant. I chose the music thing as a scapegoat because that was the cool thing to do for a while.

It was blame, heavy metal music. Exactly. Oh, especially, I mean, 1995, yeah. Satanic panic. Absolutely. Boom, right there. And honestly, I really hate to end on a sad note,

but everybody lost here. Absolutely. Elise's parents ended up having like a super hard time. And remember, they had three other kids. Yeah. They ended up on welfare a super hard time. And remember, they had three other kids. They ended up on welfare because the family like lost their jobs because they weren't able to go into work because they had such horrific PTSD. And actually the father Dave's PTSD, excuse me, led to a road rage incident. That's like, I think it's still ongoing.

Oh, man. Like what's going on with that? And the saddest thing of all is that it was ruled that they be paid restitution. They've never received a dime. Are you kidding me? They've never received a dime in restitution. That's fucked.

Is that horrific? Oh my god. So this is just all around the most horrific case. It truly is. I know. I mean, it kinda sucks that it inspired Jennifer's body, but I mean, but it's like, you know, art imitating life.

It is. I'm imitating art. I'm imitating life. That's the case. Wow. That's that. Unbelievable. I know.

That's a truly, truly horrific case. It's just so sad. It really is. Like from every angle. It really is. Like from every angle. It really is. And it's, you know, you can see too, with Jennifer's body, I'm like thinking about it. And I'm like, they made Jennifer like a character,

you know, like a caricature of, Oh, it's like the hyper rebellious. Yeah. And she was friends with like a goody-to-choose girl, which she was friends with two good girls That's interesting. The only thing they didn't do was give her blonde hair and blue eyes. Wow If anything you would think that they would have picked Amanda Sifred's character I know, but maybe they didn't want to make it like a full yeah, which I know. Thank you

Which thank you for not making it like a total just like rid off of it. I don't need that It's nobody needs that Because it's like the you know scream was based off of the Gainesville Ripper Yeah, and it's like very, you know, scream was based off of the Gainesville Ripper. Yeah. And it's like very loose. But you can see it. Right. You know. And then did Cassie Joe's daughter, did that happen before scream or after scream? That happened after scream. They were. They were. They were. They were. I mean, they were. Okay. Or is the same kind of they said they were inspired by scream, but they were, but

they're just they were just testing. Yeah. They're just evil dicks. That's all it is. Yeah. Wow. Wait until you see just evil dicks. That's all it is. Yep. Wow. Wait until you see the picture of them. They're repulsive. I just like them up. It's just, I saw you and I was like,

I hope that's what she's doing. It's like really, and Elise, by the way, beautiful. Gorgeous. Beautiful. Like, beyond. They are lucky that she spent one second in their presence. It's like, honestly, Ugh, it's so gross. Wow, well, thank you for that nightmare.

You're welcome, Ariel. No problem. Anytime. I like giving you nightmares. Yeah, that's a rough one. Well, for a long time there, you were the one giving me nightmares. Whenever you involved like a teenage girl

that I'm like, oh God. Yeah, and like you involved like mom. Yeah, yeah. It's no good. So yeah, well, let's bring it to a lighter Yeah, yeah, that's no good. So yeah, well Let's bring it to a lighter note and shout out some patreon. Yeah, let's bring it all back up So without further ado, we'd like to thank Christine Herbert. Christine Herbert. You're the best. We love you Christine Herbert, you're better than Sherbert. You are Danielle Whitehead. Danielle Whitehead. You are the best head that ever was. Yeah.

Uh, Desiree Marie Hernandez. Desiree Marie Hernandez. That just sounds beautiful. Doesn't it? You're just a beautiful person. You are. Thank you. Oh, next is Echo Cottrell.

Ooh, Echo Cottrell. That's cool. I think we've had an echo before, like the name. I think that's a cool last name. That's really pretty. I like it. I used to play Echo the Dolphin. It's a great game. Okay.

Next we have Ellen Mae Von Vorst. Oh, Ellen Mae Von Vorst. You know how I feel about a fucking Von name. We love a Von. Gosh darn. What if that's what we said? Gosh darn, we love a Von. Oh my gosh. Next we have Isabella green.

Ooh Isabella green. I'm green with envy because I love the name Isabella. I could twilight this really quick. Isabella is Bella's real name in twilight and then green is Ashley Green's last name who plays one of the other vampires. And that was your twilight fun fight. There you go. So I think she, does she play Rosalie or does she play Alice? No, the other one. Alice, there it is.

Okay. Next is Jela Irvin. Jela Irvin, you are, that's a great last name. I just like that last name. I do too. Irvin, you thank you so much for your contribution. Oh, and then we have Jessica Love and she's getting married because she loves Love.

Oh my goodness, Jessica Love. Thank you so much, we love you. Congrats on your union. Yeah, it's the best, it's fun. Then we have cat with K. Cat with a K. We're up, yeah. So hot right now.

So hot right now, Andrew, the end of Kit Kat. Ooh. And now I want one. Delicious. And then last. What not, Lyshk? We're in higher off. Kristen, K, Spencer.

Kristen, K, Spencer. And it's not like Kay. To like symbolize like more of the name, it's K-A-Y. Oh. Which I think is really pretty. Oh, I like that too. Yeah. Kay.

So as always, thank you so much to our loyal patronocyte. Thank you so much for supporting the show. You guys are the best. We would be absolutely nowhere without you. We really would. Still be underwater in the microphones. Exactly. Exactly. Like, we'd be nowhere.

We'd be underwater, you know, doing 40-minute intros and we're really happy that you guys are here and have helped us mold this whole thing and make it what it is. And we hope you enjoyed our event session about the new craft movie. I know most of you did, so I mean, you really didn't. I know, nothing. We're all on this together regardless of what we feel. I look so absolutely nuts. I think I hate that movie.

So, already, already, I hate it. I hate the trailer. We said we'd eat our hot if it. It's true we did, we came. I'm ready to be proven wrong, you know. Should we start doing 40 minute outros? We should. I like that.

We just sit around with us. We're still here. No, but I'm just gonna say, we are putting out another Patreon bonus episode. Hopefully this weekend we're doing that. So I was gonna ask you to say, so get ready. Get ready. Get ready. It's Elena, Sandra.

That's right it is. And I told you guys what it was in the last episode. So yeah, hope you're excited. We're excited. We're excited. Well, excited. I'm excited. Well, as always, guys, you can follow us on Instagram at morbidpodcasts. Head us up on Twitter.

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