Morbid - Episode 177: The Haunting of the Borley Rectory

Episode Date: October 9, 2020

Since it’s spooky season and all, we decided why not talk about a couple of haunts for the next few weeks? This week we’re taking you to the Borley Rectory in England! The Borley rectory has been home to three families, one paranormal investigator and many ghosts. It is said to be the most haunted home in England, and we’re willing to put money on that!  Books/ Reports used for this Episode: Borley Rectory Companion: The Complete Guide to 'The Most Haunted House in England' BORLEY RECTORY. "THE MOST HAUNTED HOUSE IN ENGLAND" A Report by New Horizons Foundation of some Investigations made into this alleged Haunting https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/web.sas.upenn.edu/dist/b/160/files/2017/04/new_horizons_research_foundation_paper_19-1u2w21i.pdf As always, thank you to our sponsors Varsity Tutors: To reserve your spot in a FREE class, go to VARSITYTUTORS.com/morbid Hello Fresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/80morbid and use code 80morbid to get a total of $80 off across 5 boxes, including free shipping on your first box! Hunt a Killer: Right now, just for our listeners you can go to HuntAKiller.com/MORBID and use promo code MORBID at check out for 20% off your first box See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So the next time you have a home project, just Angie that and start getting the most out of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGi.com. Hey weirdos, I'm Alina. I'm Ash. And this is morbid. Yeah, it is. And it's like spooky edition morbid. It is spooky edition because you know it's the month of October and I figured we're, I mean most of the time we do true crime. Yeah. But every now and then we'll do like a little haunted haunted area of the world. Yeah, we've only done like a handful of those, but sometimes there's so much fun. Yeah, and I feel like so because we do two episodes a week like let me just let me just rush that dirt off my shoulder real quick. I'm totally kidding

But because we do two episodes a week, we figured the bunch of October, we could kind of switch it around and do something fun and do one, like, murder case a week, like, true crime. And then one, paranormal-y, spookier case a week, just for the month of October, just spooky season. So for the next couple of weeks, you're going to get one spooky thing and one true crime. Yeah, because why not? It's fun. I love it. Ghosts are Halloweeny, so let's do it.

I mean, most of our listener's hails are like paranormal, like nine out of 10 times, you're gonna be in a normal cell. And they're hella fun. And you know, maybe we could do witches, ghosts, you know, something paranormal. We could do something. So, you just look forward to that.

Something morbid. Yeah, you know? And then I think this week we also dropped like just a random extra episode with that was ad free. That was the sauan episode. No, no. Sam Hayne. The Sam Hayne episode.

And the origins of Halloween. And we will just do that every now and then whenever we can. Yeah. There's not going to be a schedule for it. We're not going to promise anything. We're just going to tell you. Every once in a while we'll try to drop an ad free one in there whenever we can. Yeah, there's not gonna be a schedule for it. We're not gonna promise anything. We're just gonna tell you, everyone's in a while we'll try to drop an ad for you one in there whenever we can.

We'll just be like, woo, here you go. Have it. And you know why? Because we love you. And we cherish you. And we appreciate you. And we wanna stroke your hair. We do.

I ran out of things to say. But we do, we wanna stroke your hair. We do. So we hope you, it seemed like everybody enjoyed that one. That one was a fun one. It was fun to research and it seemed like everybody enjoyed that one. That one was a fun one. It was fun. It was fun to research and it was really fun to talk about. So I'm pretty excited to like do ad yolks with you.

Yeah, there you go. And people were telling us about this. And also a lot of people requested the day of the dead, do a day low smore toast. Oh, good job. And I think that's a great one to do. Yes, so I'm gonna do it. Are we gonna do it next week? I think I should do it next week. I think that's a great one to do. Yes. So I'm gonna do it.

Are we gonna do it next week? I think I should do it next week. I think so too. I think I should. So you do that for the creepy haunted episode, and I'll do a true crime episode. Exactly. There you go. Just planning on the air.

And who, I mean, yeah, we'll see what happens, but you're gonna get it. Yeah. October is fun, because we can kind of switch around what we already had planned and for that some more spooky stuff So thank you guys for you know Recommending that and suggesting that and we're excited and doing yeah So without further ado boom, so it's the spooky episode time It is the spooky episode time. I have to tell you where I came up with the idea to do this You do it all started at Target sure to as as most great ideas start as most of my great Yes, so I was at target in the checkout line and Annie was like buying all our stuff

And I was like oh my god so nice and then I saw this magazine and normally I don't buy myself magazines because they're ridiculously overpriced sure But I said Annie will you buy me this life magazine with the 15 most haunted places in the world Oh, and she said yes. And so I got it. And she said yes. And then I was reading through it and I found this place that I'm going to talk about. And it's England's most haunted home. Oh, I'm ready.

So I'm here. I was like, I have to tell the weirdos about this. Oh, I'm so excited. You might already know. So the Borley rectory, like I said, is often referred to as England's most haunted home. We love the most haunted anything. So it was built by this reverend named Henry Dawson Ellis Bull because everybody back then had four names.

Yes, I trust him immediately. Do you? No, there's really no reason not to trust him because I felt trusting of him. Well, he built this home and it was completed in 1863, so we're in the way back machine. Wow. Henry was the rector of Borley Church nearby and he was a husband and a father to just 14 kids. Oh, just a little handful. Just a couple of kiddos running around. Just a strong handful of children.

So they needed a big old house stuff at the moment. They sure did. So they were like constantly adding more rooms and more construction. But like I said, it was finally done in 1863. It's like the Winchester mystery house. Yes, exactly. And it got rooms for kids.

Less upside down things. Yeah. The home itself was built on the grounds that used to be home to another factory. That was the Herringham factory. I probably said that wrong. I like it. Thanks. And before that, it was said to have been another building and that nobody like remembered. And then before we didn't give a shit about that other building.

You'll fuck up, you fuck you other building. And before that, well, nobody really knows. Oh. But there were rumors that the grounds were also once home to a monastery where this really good-looking monk was living. Oh, we love a hot monk. Oh, so hot. We love it. Ooh, monks.

So hot, right now. We're right now. Well, down the street from the monastery, monastery, happened to be a nunnery because the olden days, oh, shit, it's about to get wild. And wouldn't you know it, Alaina? Oh, I know it. There was also a good-looking nun who went to the theater!

We love a hot nun! So the two of them crossed paths one day and they were like, holy shit, we're both so attractive. Also, we're nice people. So we're in love. Oh, I love that. Isn't that so sweet? I want them to work out.

And then they were like, well, they were like, let's run away and get married. I love that. Isn't that so sweet? I want them to work out. And then they were like, well, they were like, let's run away and get married. I love that. Uh, duh. I mean, they had a few like rendezvouses in the woods before that whole marriage talk, but you get the point. Hell yeah, they did.

Yeah, they rendezvoused in the woods. They both were hot. And then we, let's get married, let's get it. It is not a ghost story or a haunting without a monk, a hot monk, a hot nun and some rendezvouses in the woods. Hot, hot rendezvous. Recipe for a beautiful haunting.

Really. So they make this whole plan together, and they actually got this friendly coachman who was going to whisk them away into their new life. And they would have lived happily ever after, but some shit went down. Fuck. Because it's haunted, so duh.

So there's a few different accounts of what happened. One is that they got in a fight and that the monk strangled her. Oh, he thought. And then he got caught and was hanged for his crimes. But I don't believe that because love. Because they were love. And monks are known to be very chill people. I feel that way.

I feel like he didn't like, strangle her. Yeah. And love. Monks are known to be like very chill people, so. I feel that way. I feel like he didn't like, strangle her. Yeah. And love. Another version of the story is that they were caught together and because neither of them was supposed to have a love life, the monk was hanged for his crime, so either way he gets hanged.

And then the nun was boarded up in the cellar of the monastery. Holy shit. Like, they just like boarded her up at growl and post-eil. I mean, that's the story I'm going with. Oh, yup, because it involves them like getting caught in their love, which I'm like, you still love each other. Yeah, and no matter what it ends with love,

and someone else's screams. With the one who did something terrible. Yeah, and I love a good at growl and poe. Like H.H. Homes. Spored up in the wall kind of situations. I'm surprised that you didn't just yell at me for saying catacombs.

Yeah, I just was gonna let it go. The catacombs. Catacombs. So yeah, so she was boarded up in the wall and that's sad. That's a bummer. But there's like a big problem with this entire story because there's no record of a monastery ever being on the ground. So that's shit. Ever. And then there's no record of a monastery ever being on the ground. So that's shit, ever.

And then there's no record of a nun being killed that way. They're like sentenced for anything. So I don't know. Blah, blah, blah. But there is a record of a nun haunting the shit out of the Borley rectory. I bet it's her. So we're back to the home. I told you, it was huge.

It had more than 20 rooms. There were stables on the ground, a cottage, and everything was on nine acres of land. Sorry. I bet he had a great office. I need an office. I bet he did have a great office. A lot of rooms.

I didn't even think of that. He was a really great office with that many rooms. He was cool at shit. So Henry Bull was rumored to have built a cottage facing the woods and to this particular path that the family referred to as Nun's walk. This is amazing. So he built this specific thing to look at this place

that they called Nun's walk because he wanted to communicate with the ghost of the nun. Yes. He literally just wanted to talk to her so bad. This is great. On multiple occasions, he had seen her walking along the path of the woods, but he was never able to talk to her so bad. This is great. On multiple occasions, he had seen her walking along the path of the woods, but he was never able to talk to her.

Oh, man. He tried all the time to talk to her, but... He should have put an ad in that, like, missed connections thing. I know, right? If I was his wife, I'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like,

You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be like, You'd be that I don't. But you have 14 kids. I think I gave you all of those. What she got in a turn-al after life? I don't know. What the fuck? I love it. So he would see her and she would just disappear and he never got the chance to talk to her. Wow. And his four daughters saw the nun for the first time when three of them were coming home from a party. So Ethel

Mabel, excuse me, Ethel Mabel and Frida, I think, were walking up to the house when they saw her and they thought that she was a real life alive none. They're like, oh, it lost none in the woods. Exactly. But they noticed that she didn't seem to be walking and she was kind of floating. And she didn't... It's different. It is different. You don't see that every time.

And she was floating and she didn't look very happy. All right. So they got freaked out a little bit. I definitely would. And they ran inside to get their older sister Caroline and Caroline was like, you guys, it's fine. It's probably, like, remember, they're in a rectory, so it's not crazy to see a nun on the ground.

No, definitely not. They're like, it's probably a sister of Mercy, like running an errand for the church or she needs something from dad. Just levitating. It's all good. She's just love it. She's not hashtag nun shit. You probably just can't see your fee and you guys just got back home from a party. So who knows?

So you might have got turned. Maybe you got turned like 1900 style. They're at this point 1800 style. Whoa. So different kind of turn. They were probably drinking a hooch back then. So Caroline ran out to see what the nun needed because she was a good Samaritan.

And as she was running out to talk to her, she was running up to where she sees her. The nun just disappears. Poof. Oh, God. That's different. And Caroline, normal nun. That's debil.

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder App. And they told their dad and he was like, oh yeah, that's the none that I built that whole fucking cottage out there to look at. He's like, oh that's my girl. That girl you see turned two? So, everyone who had been to the Borley Rectory had something to say about it. And it was known in town as a haunted place to avoid. Nobody wanted to go there. Which makes everybody want to go there.

I know, because I found stories about parents not letting their kids walk past the directory after dark. Stories of people seeing the nun leaning over the gate and the front of the property, almost like she was waiting for someone. Oh, her monk. Oh, her monk. People saw a man standing up in one of the windows of the home, but there was not supposed to be a man up in that window.

And it wasn't like one of the kids or Henry himself. It was her monk. Yeah, I don't know who it was. It was a man's up in the window. And the sightings of the man became so frequent and the family was like getting freaked out with the man watching them like from the upstairs window. So they boarded up the window. Holy shit. They just straight up boarded it up and like left it and they were like, okay, okay,

do what you got to do. Right. So in 1916 a man named Edward Cooper and his wife moved into the rectory cottage. And Edward was working for the family as a gardener and a coachman. And a coachman, if you don't know, it's just somebody that like drives the horses for you.

Yeah. Or like he's a goose that turns into a man and then drives you to the ball. And then he says, can't drive a goose. And if anybody doesn't know, don't get reference. You don't have kids. You're not a teacher. I just accidentally.

So you can't have your goose. So they only lived there for four years because things got weird right off the bat. I'm ready. Are you ready? Oh, I'm ready. So they'd get into bed at night. And this Cooper right away thought

that she was hearing voices and footsteps above the bedroom. And for a while she chalked the footsteps up to like rodents that broke in or like a cat somehow in the attic. So she was just chalking it up to all that. But one night the noises were super loud and really disturbing her sleep and they continued into the next afternoon. So she was like, okay, like what the fuck? Yeah. So she and Edward went up to see what was making all the racket. And when they got up there, they found nothing out of place,

no sign of any cat or rodent or anything at all to suggest that anything had been up there. Uh-uh. So everything was untouched and completely fine. That's like when we heard recently the noise and went up there, I was so thankful to see something on the ground. That's what when we heard recently the noise and went up there, I was so thankful to see

something on the ground. That's what it reminded me of. I thought of you. You want to see things amiss. Yeah. So you're like, okay, the wind and the animal. I got a cat. So you just that.

Anything. Yeah. Nothing for them. And then another day, Edward came home and he said to his wife, he was like, oh, like, did you see a nun walking about the rectory today? And she was like, nah. And he was like, cool, cool, cool. So I'm going crazy. Oh, fun. I'm going nuts. So because that day he saw a nun and it looked like she was headed toward the road, but she had come from the back of the rectory. So he, like, the wife would have seen her. Yeah. Like, if she had taken that path. And he said when he saw her, her movements,

like there was something really strange about them because she was fucking floating probably. Oh, and it makes me think of like those horror movies where the ghosts are like something will make those jerky, weird, like, almost like glitchy movements. That's what I was just thinking of. It freaks me out.

Or it just makes me think of the craft when they start to levitate and they're like, toes are pointed in the scary boots. And it's like scratching against the floor. It's weird because I wasn't freaked out when I was like researching this in my brand new apartment, but because we're in your old-ass home with like, aborted up wall right there. And it's from 1860.

It's from like the same time that this all started. But we're not in English, so that's good. So he was like, wow, that none looks like strange. I should follow her. Where is she going? And he followed her to the road, but she just disappeared while he was following her. And he was like, I think I lost my mind. Yeah, I think that. And they weren't the only ones who saw things. The family kept seeing the non-walking about the property. They would hear banging, crashing sounds. They'd see quote, eerie black shapes. Ooh, yep.

In the house out of the house, a maid who worked there said she woke up on her first night, first night ever in the house, because she heard slow, deliberate footsteps coming toward her bedroom. And they stopped, like, and when they stopped, they would have been right in front toward her bedroom. And they stopped. Like, and when they stopped, they would have been right in front of her door.

But there was nobody, she didn't see anybody. So the next morning she woke up and like asked the other mage, she was like, oh, I bet they were playing a trick on me because it was my first night, like initiation and to made it. She made them. And everybody was like, no, like this place has haunted us hell.

Bitch, no. Bitch, nah. I would have been like, and I like, this place is haunted as hell. Bitch, no. Bitch, nah. I would've been like, and I quit. And I'm done. So they were like, yeah, it's probably one of the poorly ghosts. Then in 1892, Henry Bull passed away. R-I-P. R-I-P.

I know. You trusting son of a bitch? I know, just trying to communicate with these ghosts out here. Yeah. Well, no fear. His son Harry took over as the rector, so the family still got to live there. Harry lived another 35 years in the rectorie,

and the hauntings continued, nothing stopped. One of his friends would spend time in the rectorie if he was vacationing, and he remembered seeing stones falling from nowhere, objects moving by themselves, the none herself, and the coach driving by with headless horses. Oh, that's amazing. Imagine seeing that. Holy shit.

I wouldn't say I'm nuts. I'd be like, holy shit, I'd done scene this. I would paint a watercolor painting of that immediately, like from memory. I would have to have that for all time. I like our very different reactions. I'd be like, I've seen that. And you'd be like, I'm going to paint a watercolor

from a direct memory of this exact moment. Just so I can hang it on my wall and be like, I saw that shit. I'd just be running around going, I saw it. I saw it. People would be like, yeah, that would just crazy. I'm just bust out of portable easel. And just be like, wouldn't and just like quickly doing it. I call this headless horses.

I call this I'm going insane and I want to record it. I call this from memory. So yeah, he lived in other 35 years there and then he passed away because he was old. And the director he was offered to 12 different clergymen. Is it clergy or clergymen? Clergy. Clergy. It was offered to 12 different clergy, isn't clergy or clergymen? clergy. clergy. It was offered to 12 different clergymen

and they all took a hard pass. So 12 different people were offered this home, like for free, like take, you can live here because it's a rectory. And they were all like nah, I'm good. No, thank you. Thank you, though. So the rectory was just empty for six months.

Oh, an empty rectory. And I don't know why, but I feel like that creeps me out more than all the shit that happened when people were there. Because it's just an empty ass rectory. But it's not empty because ghosties. It's full to the brim, full to the brim. So finally, this other reverend, his name was Guy Eric Smith. He had recently moved to England with his wife,

and they were both like of an older older couple like not in the best health. But they were offered the rectory and they didn't know anything about it and they didn't believe in ghosts. Uh-oh. And like nobody told them anything about it. Yeah, nobody told them. So he was like, let's move in. So, like I said, they were an older couple. Did I tell you they'd been living in India before this? No. So big change. They were living in a warm climate. And then they moved to this creepy ass house in England that's haunted as hell.

Oh, it sounds so cool. That sounds like the beginning of every single movie ever. It sounds like my ideal. And like I said, neither of them were believers. But I'm pretty sure as soon as they moved in, they became believers. Yeah. Because almost right away, they started hearing voices in the home.

She walked by a bedroom one day and she heard the phrase, Carla, or somebody say, Carlos, don't. Oh, like, don't do that. Fuck. Right. And it was in the blue bedroom. And I guess the blue bedroom is said to be the most haunted bedroom. I would have been like, please don't Carlos. Carlos listened to whoever that was.

Listen to that person. And it was just the two of them. The house like it was just them. So nobody else should have been there. Yeah. Carlos wasn't there. No, Carlos was no boy. He was there, but he should have been there. Yeah.

And they'd hear footsteps like that made it again when it was just them, the sighting something non-started. And all of that that wrapped around the facts that as soon as they moved in there, everyone in town started telling them how haunted this place was. Oh. That drove them to, they wrote to the daily mirror newspaper

asking for help dealing with all this paranormal activity. Oh, yeah. I know. So, oh, and while Mrs. Smith was cleaning one day, I read a couple of different setups for this. She was either cleaning in the kitchen or the basement, but either way she was cleaning like this cupboard that hadn't been used in a while.

Okay. And she found just a casual woman's skull wrapped up in a paper bag. That is red. It's so funny because telling you this story is just like you be like yeah like I want to do that yeah I'd be so cool by her in that crazy footsteps and anybody else would be like she found a woman's skull in a bag so gnarly so gnarly holy shit so this guy named Harry Price saw their ad in the paper and he wanted to help. Oh, Harry Price.

Harry Price, if you don't know, was a parasycologist and a magician. Uh-oh. Fun stuff. Who wanted to help the Smiths and he also just wanted to investigate the property in general. So he brought this guy who was a reporter also at the daily mirror. Um, Vernon Hall with him. And Vernon was a writer, but also was just gonna act as somebody to co-operate all the findings. Yeah. It's like better if two people find it than just walk. Definitely. Duh. So Vernon and Henry decided the first place they wanted to check out was Nun's Walk.

Oh, yeah. That would be my first stop. Double. Double duh. Double duh. So they had out to the cottage and they tried to spot the nun or maybe even the light upstairs like from the where the man was because it's boarded up but you could still see the light come through like it was still coming through. So creepy. So creepy. So they're like I want to see something. And while they were out there Vernon thought he saw the nun but Harry was, I don't know if I saw her, like you're being a little crazy. Yeah, I think you just want to see her. But what did happen right away,

like right after they had that conversation where Harry was like, oh, I don't think I saw her. A fucking half of a brick smashed through the roof and fell to the ground next to them. Oh. And like it was like the nun like, oh, you didn't see me, motherfucker. See that?

Here I am. See that? I'm right here. I'm right there. Wow. Isn't that nuts? What a badass. So it smashes to the ground and they headed upstairs to investigate to like see like where

that came from. And they hear this loud crash and then a glass candle stick came flying down the stairs at them. What? Yes! So Harry Price was just kind of used to this activity because he's a paranormal investigator and he was like, okay, what we have to do is head down stairs. We got to turn all the lights off, obviously, because he wanted to pick up even more activity and go sluv the dark. So, of course, duh. So they're waiting for more activity after they turn the lights

off and Vernon complains that someone hit him in the head. As soon as they turn the lights off, he's like, I just got hit in the head. Somebody's hitting me. And then they started hearing something roll down the stairs. And it was a mothball, but nobody else was there. It was just them. So a mothball rolls down the stairs and then the servant bells just start fucking ringing. What? But they're not attached to any of the, like they weren't in use. So normally they'd be attached to something and that would be how they run, but they weren't. So they were just ring-a-ding-ding in on their own. What? And, and, Miss Smith had told the investigators that the bells had been doing this the whole time.

So they were like just waiting for this. And then, keys that had been in the locks of doors, you know how like in old houses, normally the keys stay in the doors, they all fell out of the keyholes at the same time. And in Lorraine Warren, wish. Yeah, they could never. That could never.

Holy shit. Isn't that crazy?. That could never. Holy shit. Isn't that crazy? I am into this. So this is probably like needless to say, but the older couple had enough and they moved out of the house in 1929. I'm good for them. So they had barely lived there a full year.

Yeah, no thing. They're like, peace out. So when the Smiths left, the church again, had a hard time getting anyone to move into the home and the rectory was empty for another six months. Oh my god. And then a cousin of the Bull family, the original Bull family, moved in with it was this guy named Lionel Foyester, his wife and their daughter Adelaide. So Lionel Foyester's wife was Mariam and they

had it the absolute worst in the house. Oh no. Like shit went nuts. As soon as they moved in, shit was going crazy. There was crashing sounds, footsteps, more bell ringing, even though they were still disconnected. Apparitions, now there were strange odors in the house. Oh. And that's like some ghostbusters shit. That's some like demon shit. Physical assaults, including Adelaide being locked in a room on her own, and she was two and a half years old. I know. And something new, message is on the walls

that were addressed to Mary Ann. Get the fuck out of here. And they said things like, Mary Ann, help please get. And then another one said, Mary Ann, light mask candles. I don't know, okay. I bet I'll do anything. What do you need me to do? So, a lot of skepticism started to surround

this particular family. Because we have a Lutz family. Oh my, shut the fuck up! Do we have the Lutz's? Yes, and I wrote that. So it was conveniently, I was like, oh. Yeah, exactly, that's what I wrote. And I'm still gonna read it, I write it. So it was immediately, I was like, oh, yeah, exactly. That's what I wrote.

And I'm still going to read it. You could still read it. So the haunting was getting worse. The messages had never happened before. Yeah, that's weird. And I think people thought it was an amity-ville horror type deal when the family moved in and started exaggerating an already creepy story.

I immediately started thinking that. Because that's the thing. It's like, this is already creepy as hell. You don't need to make it worse. Don't add to it because it's just gonna ruin it. And when you're making it seem like your family has the worst of everybody, it's like, no, they're probably equal opportunity to haunt us.

I don't think they're really like, ooh, let's get these ones worse. What did you guys do? So there were people though who still did believe the family. This guy named Edwin Whitehouse was a neighbor and he confirmed that while he spent time there, he had, quote, seen more than enough to convince him that the phenomena at the Borley rectory was preded natural. I mean, I definitely think it's for sure. I think it's like haunted and I believe

that like old couple and everything. Oh, hell yeah. But I think I think these ones might be exciting. Well, the message is I don yeah. But I think these ones might be exciting. Well, the messages I don't buy. I don't buy the messages either. And let me just get into it. He'll like, oh, shit, I'm gonna get it. I gotta tell you so much stuff. He went on to say that he had never seen any member

of the family set up any tricks and he didn't have any reason to believe that they would. Okay. So Harry Price, remember, he helped out the Smiths and then he went about his day life Whatever he was like and then he finds out that this new family moved in and everything's getting worse So he returned He came in October 1931 and he brought a couple members of his national laboratory with him

Hell yeah, because he's cool as hell And after some time investigating he came to the conclusion that a lot of the new haunts in the home were Marians doing. I knew it. And there was later rumors that Marianne was having an affair with a guy named Frank Purlis and she was creating some of the craziness in the house as a distraction.

Holy shit, right? What an asshole. I know. So I mean, she's a true asshole. If she did it, she's an asshole. Yeah, we don't What an asshole. I know. So I mean, she's a true asshole. If she did it, she's an asshole. Yeah, we don't know. I don't know. I think we don't know. But I'm blaming you, Marion. Marion. She wrote a book about it later. Anyways, Harry Price told Lionel about his findings and that Marion was probably doing all this shit, or most of this shit, And Lionel was furious.

Yeah, I would be. Because he was furious with Harry Price. He was furious with him. Because he's like, what are you accusing my wife of doing this? Let's see, yeah. My wife isn't doing anything. So he asked Harry to leave.

Hold on. And he wouldn't let him back. And Harry Price was actually really bummed. He wrote to Guy Smith about it. It was like, I really just want to go back. I just want to go back there. I just want to go back there, man. He said, some curious things have been happening at Borley during the last 12 months.

Two to three of us went down a few weeks ago. Bottles were thrown at us. Ink mixed with wine, etc., etc. I formed a conclusion as to who I think was doing these things, but of course we had no proof. I should like to go back there again, but the foistors will not permit it. See, I believe him. I do too.

Because he was saying that it was haunted before. He's not denying that it's haunted. Well, and he said to Harry, he was like, I'm sure some of the hauntings going on right now are like the Boreley ghosts, but the writings on the wall and stuff like that. Like the really intense thing. Yeah, like he was like, some of this is Marianne, I know it is.

Yeah, I would think that too. But he just didn't have a way to prove. Yeah. So while Harry was bumming that he couldn't get back to the rectory, a ton of stuff was going on. They were doing exorcism ceremonies there. Harry Bull was popping up everywhere. Damn.

Harry Bull, like, cause he had died and housed the original owner. Oh shit, so he just came back and was like, I'm here too. Yeah, I'm here too. He would hang out in the suit. Remember I told you about the blue bedroom the original owner. Oh, shit. So he just came back and was like, I'm here too. Yes, he did. He would hang out in the suit. Remember, I told you about the blue bedroom. It was like really super haunted.

He would hang out there. And he would wear his favorite plum colored dressing gown. Hell, yes. And then eventually two of the sisters that you still live in the house, like the bull sisters, they went into the say-ons there. And there was like tapping on the mirrors. they said it was their brother and they could tell it was him. Oh my God. So the dad haunted the house and the brother did too.

That's amazing. Both died there. I thought that was so cool. Yeah. Keep it in the family. Of course. Keep the haunted family. Yeah. People were seeing dark figures in the driveway and inside the home like before, the passerby were still freaked out by all the creepy vibes given off by the rectory. And Lionel actually had been keeping a diary of his findings and experiences since day one. And he kept them until the family moved out of the home.

Oh geez. And he had filled three diaries with experiences and like later published them, but he published them as fiction. So he, I think he like added to some of them. Oh, okay. He made it like fiction- Yeah, I know it. You're gonna watch it slightly. But Marianne said that Harry Price had asked to read one of the diaries while he was there

and like investigating the home and that he never returned it to the family. Oh, so that's what Marianne says. So we're, we're fingers left. Oh, right. There's a lot of shady business going on here. There is. And we're going to get to more shady business at the end. Ooh. So the foyersters were the last family to live in the rectory.

And they left in 1935. Okay. When they left, Harry Price wanted to come back and do more investing here at this house. I would. So he rented the home and lived in it for a year. Holy shit. Isn't that so cool?

That's bad, huh? So he put an ad on a local paper and was asking for recruiters to come stay to and write down their experience. Thanks. Yeah, you would have gone. And once people responded to the ad, he would give them a manual of instructions. And Harry said the reason that he got all the recruiters and gave them the manual of instructions

is because he wanted reliable and impartial witnesses. This sounds like Ho Son Hansertale. Oh yeah, does it sound like the basis for that film? Maybe it was. Maybe it was. The guy recruits people to come stay in this house. Shit, I wonder if it was. Yeah, it really does.

Well, I'll have to find out after. So he said he just wanted impartial witnesses and like reliable people. Yeah. But a lot of skeptics accused him of putting suggestions into the mind of these people and that the manual they got was just like a blueprint of what they were supposed to find.

Yeah, I could see people saying that. So I get that. But this guy, Ella Cow, went with Harry to set up like an operations room. And he goes, time you got to set up an operation. You need a war room, obviously. Of course. So they go and they're setting everything up.

They were like chalking up, like literally, like marking up with chalk. Any like object that could move in the house. Oh yeah. And they're taking note of anything. And while they're setting up, they heard like two loud thumps above them. And that was followed by a couple of short tapping noises, but they couldn't determine where the tapping noises were coming from. And then,

in upstairs door, slam shut. Like slam shut, but there was no one in the house and no breeze or open window or anything like that. Oh my. And Alex said that there was absolutely no way Harry could have engineered any of these incidents and he believed that it was just the haunting at the house. Damn, that's so creepy. Again, because this is like in the 1930s, it's not like they had like tons of technological advances

to do this thing. Like I believe that now people do that, I'm sure. Oh for sure. Like the like shits and giggles. And there was ways to like set certain things up, I believe that now people do that, I'm sure. Oh, for sure. Like, shits and giggles. And there was ways to like set certain things up, you know? And you know, but. Yeah, well, that was the thing. When you said magician, I was like, oh,

and not because there's anything wrong with magicians. No. They know how to make an illusion. Exactly. That's kind of their job. I just feel like I believe Harry. I feel very strongly that Harry is telling the truth. I do too.

Actually, I don't know. Actually, my soul, I don't know. And that's why we drink to an episode about this. I was telling you before we started, I'm telling the listeners, we love you and that's why we drink. We do, hi. And I texted M and M said that they are a big fan of Harry Price. Oh, really?

They did a whole episode just about Harry Price. I love that because I feel, I'm glad. Yeah. Because I was feeling very like, I love that because I feel, I, okay, I'm glad. Yeah. Because I was feeling very like, I was like, I really, I believe him. I literally, I just, I'm so about, literally. I feel like connected.

Yeah. I just feel like he's telling me the truth. And was like, Harry Price is my dude. I trust him. So when you're finished with this episode, go listen to it and that's why we drink this episode about Harry Price. Do it.

I think it's a couple parts, actually. Do it. Back to this little rendition. So from May of 1937 to May of 1938, all the investigators stayed at the Borley rectory doing table tipping, planchette sessions, sayances. It sounds like a fucking damn good time. I was gonna say count me in.

And there was this guy named, well it was one of the recruiters, Sydney H. Glanville, and he took notes of everybody's experiences the whole year that they were there. And when they were finished, he gifted it to Harry Price. So it was like this book of everybody's experiences. That's incredible.

And that's so cool. Wow. And during the sciences, a nun who had lived on the grounds in the 17th century came through in one of these Siances. She said her name was Marie Lérie. It looks like Mary Lérie, but it's not the Mary Lérie. Marie Lérie. We're going to say Marie Lérie, I love that. Yeah. She said that she had traveled to England from France and that she was murdered.

Oh. And she asked for prayers to be said for her at Borley Church nearby. Oh. So, the murdered nun. That's her. Hello. She's here.

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Jackpot. Jackpot, honestly. And Sonnex told them that Borley was going to burn down that night at 9 p.m. Oh, so he's, Sonics is like, get that out of there. Exactly. Wow. And Sonics also said that when everything burnt down, bones would be found in the fire to prove that like something horrible had happened here and that's why it was so haunted.

Can you imagine getting that kind of fucking message? No, I got chills just telling me. I got chills reiterating the message. I am chilly willy right now. It's also very cold in here. It sure is, but in the end, there's a chills. Chills. So, no fire happened that night, so maybe like sunics come on.

Come on, shit. But exactly 11 months later, exactly 11 months on February 27th, 1939, a lamp had fallen over and some books had just been put away, and they moved themselves and knocked this lamp over. Like some people say somebody bumped into it, but I'm telling you the fun version. Yeah, of course. These books moved by themselves and they walked to the fucking lamp over. And back then, lamps had like gas and shit and then I didn't fully like gas and shit.

And so a fire happened. So the fire, unfortunately, wiped out the entire place. And when people came, because obviously people loved to watch a burning building, I guess. I'm so sad. I know. But people came to watch the building fall. And they saw dark figures walking through the flames. Fuck you.

That is awesome. Is it that rad as hell? Holy shit. Just imagine you're, I mean, don't go watch a burning building. That's a little bit rude. No, it is, but like, like live your life. So you're watching the burning building fall,

even though I told you not to, even though you should just love your life. And you see fucking dark figures walking through the flames. That is so metal. I can't even properly understand it. But it's bombing me out that this place burned down because I was gonna be like, you know who needs to go to this place? We do. Well, us, but I was also gonna say, Buzzfeed unsolved, Shane and Ryan need to go to this place.

I wonder if they have, because you can still go to the grounds. The grounds are so super haunted. We do, they have, I wonder if they have. I have to look. Something else has haunted so much. Cause I think they would be great. I'm getting back into it

because we until you hear what happened. Sorry, we just keep shouting out other people. Oh, no. I love shouting. I'm happy to shout out. Today we're like, other creators day. It is other creators day. Go do that. Fucking love other people. Oh, no. I love shouting. I'm happy to show. Today, we're like other creators day. It is other creators day. Fucking love other creators. Everyday is other creators day. That was so cute. Thank you for helping me. Welcome. Thank you. Okay, sorry, we're

annoying. So people are seeing like people, really dead people walking in the flames. And even, I mean, this should just prove it even further. Yeah. Because a police constable saw them and asked who else had been in the house there. He's like, people are still in the fucking I mean, this should just prove it even further, because a police constable saw them and asked who else had been in the house there. He's like, people are still in the fucking house. He's like, where are these maniacs just walking through the place? Right. And the new owner was like, no,

like it's just me, this place is haunted as fuck. Like, that's ghosts. Like, those are ghosts. That's ghosts. That is ghosts. That's ghosts for ya, police constable. So after the home burned down, they did indeed find bones underneath the seller door. Sonics.

Sonics. Some people, I'm so sorry, not the door, the floor, the seller floor. Okay, either way. Either way, some people think that they were the remains of a pig, but they're just like skeptics. No, that's bullshit. We don't have time for skeptics today.

Get out of here with this. Fuck out of here with our skepticism logic. And a surgeon, so I'm gonna believe the fucking surgeon. Oh, there you go. Leslie J. Godden believed that she looked at these fragments or he I didn't look into it and believed that they were fragments of a young woman's skull and her jaw bone.

Oh, that should tell you. And the Leslie said the woman was younger than 30. And when the woman died, it may have been from a tooth infection that spread to the bone. Oh. Because the bone you could like tell that it had been infected. Oh, shit. And remember, the nun didn't look very happy when she was walking around. No.

So maybe it's because you had a hella-infected tooth bone. Dude, a toothache is no joke. Like, no joke. Right. And then when that gets to your jaw and infects your bone, can you imagine? Yeah, abscesses and stuff. Lots.

Lots of pain. Shaking kill, yeah. So, I don't know. But even with the discovery, the hauntings continued. The building is burnt down and the hauntings are continuing. Amazing. I love it. The property itself wasn't demolished until 1944. Wow. Yeah. Before that, people would walk by the property, you're just straight through it. One man who walked through the property said that a stick elevated from the ground in front of him

and shook quickly in front of him, almost like somebody was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, that's what this is what I'm picking. You stayed back. And then it stopped and then did one more slow wag back and forth, like, oh, like that's how I'm trying to get you to picture it. And then it just fell to the ground. I really picture that as it goes, being like, no, no, no.

And then the guy didn't leave, so he was like, leave now. Exactly. And I buddy left after that. And he said that he had been super hot before that. Like it was warm. Yeah. And when that happened, he got like freezing cold. So hello.

I'm saying, I mean, if the sticks don't just float in front of you and like say, uh-uh, no. Or, hmm. And then this other guy, he was a sergeant stationed nearby and he was walking home one night and he had to walk past Wally to get home, which I can fuck that. And he heard horses and a coach in the distance. Like he heard the wheels and everything and the horses nang and getting ready.

God, it's like the headless horseman. It is. And he heard it in the distance and then he said it got louder and louder. So he stopped waiting for something to pass by and it did pass by and he heard it But he didn't see anything. He just knew that it had passed by because like it felt like it was right there Right, and then he didn't see anything except a little light all he saw was a light. That's it I want this so bad. I want it so bad. I want this experience so fucking cool I love it so much and then want this experience. So fucking cool.

I love it so much. And then there was this other guy. This one's kind of boring. But he said that like his lantern wasn't working. Like at all. And then when he brought it to Borla, it started working. Oh, shit. Like it worked there.

And then he took a helmet. It didn't work anymore. Oh, whatever. They gave him like shitty batteries for a minute. Yeah, I guess. Shitty metaphysical batteries. And then we're like, we'll take about the fact. So then when the remains were to be demolished, they were demolished, unfortunately.

That brought me out. I know. So a life magazine photographer went out while they were, like, about, like, right before they were gonna be demolished. His name was David Sherman. I'm Googling. Well, I should have brought the magazine to show you. My magazine.

My magazine. And he took a now famous picture where, and he's far back and it's like the whole property. And you can see in the doorway a fucking brick levitating. Get the fuck out. And it's not attached to anything. And he said it levitated in the air for a few minutes and then fell down.

Stop, is that not the coolest thing ever? I am looking it up. So now that Borley Church is like still around, I guess, and the church has said to have had even more haunting since the property, the rectory was demolished. Oh, shit. Because the coastal just moved over there. That's gonna say, you gotta go somewhere.

This photo. This photo, I know, we'll post it. Don't worry, we're gonna post it. Oh, I got chills. Oh, my goodness. I know. And so now people go to the Borley church all the time and they'll camp out there,

especially on Halloween and stuff. And they try to get EVPs. And I guess this one guy camped out there on Halloween night and he heard scratching on his tent. And he just got super freaked out and pulled to me and just ran the fuck out of this tent. He was like, I'm out. He did what you did at the Lizzie board. No, she was like, nope. Yeah, except you made me stay. I didn't run out of there. I wanted to. You wanted to get the fuck out of there. But um.

So he said as he was running out of the tent, he saw these two shadowy but white figures. And he was like freaked the fuck out. And he said they were emotionless. Like they And he was like freaked the fuck out and he said they were emotionless like they A emotionless and just like stared at him as he was very apathetic. They were just unscathed by his panic state Don't care and then when he so he just like left his tent there and then the next day he went back to get it And it was covered in red stains What is that so weird? That's amazing. It's incredible. Oh, I love this. And then Harry Price himself, I told you,

he went under a lot of scrutiny surrounding this specific haunting at the Barley Rectory. This journalist who sounds like a douchebag, Charles Sutton said that Henry created poltergeist effects by throwing stones in the dark. I'm like, I don't believe it. What about everything else that happens? I believe Harry. And then William H. Salter, who sounded salty, was the president of the

society for physical research. He launched an investigation into Harry Price's working methods and found that Harry was willfully deceptive. Now, whatever, because I think, personally, that everybody was just jealous that they didn't get Harry's findings. All right. I want to believe Harry. I do too. But like the science part of my brain is like ding ding ding. My brain has no science part, so my brain is like, I'm trying to muffle it right now. My brain is just screaming spooky scary skeletons. Are the findings of Harry Price. Hey, yeah, here you go.

So he ended up writing a book Harry called The Most Haunted House in England. Ooh, I want to read it. I read some of it. It was really good. And there was a couple other books that I read that I don't have right in front of me, but I'm going to put them in the show notes for the episode. Perfect. So that is the haunting of the Borley rectory. That is so cool.

I know. I want to go to like, see. I want to go, I want to see Shane and Ryan go from Buzzfeed on. I want to see that very badly. I just want all of this. Let's all go together. Let's all head out to the Borley rectory. I think us, and we don't know Shane and Ryan, but like, Hey, Shane and Ryan, you guys will come. And, and Christine need to go.

Yes, I've been to go. Yes, 100%. I think I've just made this happen, guys. I'm really excited about it. So, once Rona is out of here, we have a lot to do. We have a lot to do other places, and we are doing it. Haunted Road Trip, baby.

We gotta do it. That was so fun. Right? It was fun to research that too, because it was a little bit lighter than Drew Cron. It is, yeah. Once in a while, it's fun to have just like really spook, I mean, that's like spooky to your soul.

Like, yeah. It gives you chills. I was like freaked out falling asleep. Actually, I have to end this on like really funny story. Oh good. It's about my cat, because I'm a cat like me. Of course, she's a cat lady now. Elena, this morning was like, it's really shocking.

There's like how much of a cat lady have become. But I feel like we have a lot of fellow cat people. We definitely do. So I had researched this like for a few nights in a row. In the first night, I was like we have a lot of fellow cat people. We definitely do. So I had researched this, like, for a few nights in a row. In the first night, I was, like, really freaked out because I, like, you know when you just find something and you're like, holy shit, I'm so scared. Yeah.

So I woke up at three o'clock in the morning and Franklin was on my chest, just, like, sleeping because he sleeps on me. And I, like, I went back to sleep, but I didn't kind of thing. And I saw this shadow in my bedroom. And so I woke up and I went back to sleep, but I didn't kind of thing. And I saw the shadow in my bedroom. And so I woke up and I went, and Franklin fucking flew off of me.

Like I scared the chef out of him. He went all the way from my bedroom to the living room. It was like right in the fuck out of there. He's such a distinguished man. And Annie just didn't even move. He was like, I'm not into this. He was like, fuck you, Mapa. So yeah, I scared my cat because of this.

Oh, that's funny. But yeah, so. Anyways, we're gonna post some of these fun pictures, especially the famous life magazine picture. The Floating Trick. Yeah, it's what drew me into the story in general. That's a cool one. That's a real cool one.

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