Morbid - Episode 178: The Chicago Ripper Crew

Episode Date: October 11, 2020

Alaina takes us to a real dark place this morning, telling the horrific case of The Chicago Ripper Crew. From 1981 to 1982 four men drove a red van through the streets of Chicago picking up women of all races and ages and committing the most heinous acts. You’re going to want to scream at the end of this one once you’ve heard all the brutal details from said acts to the ridiculous sentencing involved in this case. Hold onto your butts, weirdos. Books read for this case Deadly Thrills: The True Story of Chicago's Most Shocking Killers Documentary: The Ripper Crew: American Occult on ID  As always thank you to our sponsors Embr Wave: Right now Embr wave is offering our listeners $50 off when you go to www.embrwave.com/morbid Upstart: Hurry to Upstart.com/morbid to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate is! Simplisafe: Head to SimpliSafe.com/morbid and get a FREE HD CAMERA for our listeners!! Philo: Sign up today at philo.tv/morbid and you’ll get 25% off your first two months!!! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Kardashian, yeah, that's me. That's you, you're the. You're the trash Kardashian. Who would I be in this podcast? I think I'm probably the Chloe of the podcast. Chloe. I'm the Chloe of the family, because all of you are tiny little bitches, and I'm just towering over with my thickness.

But you're beautiful. You're beautiful. You're beautiful. You're so pretty. And all of you are beautiful. Yeah, go. Just as a weirdo. You really are.

So I think that this is, so we just, we had told you last week that we're gonna do one of our episodes each week for the month of October for spooky season. It's going to be haunted. It's going to be haunted and spooky. This episode is not haunted, but it sure is spooky. Most of our episodes are pretty spooky.

And this one isn't haunted, but it's definitely gonna haunt you afterwards. Yeah, well, but speaking of haunted and spooky in October and wonderful things, I just wanted to quickly shout out a really good episode of a really good podcast that you should all listen to that's going to get you in the mood, because I know a lot of people like to get in the mood. Hell yeah, October. Allison from the Stranger Unus unusual podcast, which is a great podcast if no one's listen to it.

She just started doing, she does these like series of really cool like history deep dives into like, you know, like witch trials and like just like really spooky things. She just did an episode where she did a retelling of Sleepy Hollow. Oh shit, I haven't listened to that yet. And it's so exciting. It's so good. And it's called Sleepy Hollow, A Region of Shadows.

It's episode 24, I think it's her newest one. And she goes into tons of stuff about fear and how it, you know, Sleepy Hollow clearly is all about fear in like hysteria and legend. And she goes into all of that. She all about fear and hysteria and legend. And she goes into all of that. She talks about history and ghosts and spooky season. It's gonna get you so in the mood. She also, one of those voices,

where you're like, you can kind of zone out while you're still listening, if that makes sense. Her voice is very soothing. It takes you where you wanna go. I always listen to her when I'm cooking dinner. And it just puts me in a very zen state. It really does. So Annie gets home and is like, what is this?

What is this so scary? And I'm like, I know I love it. And it's a really well-produced show, too. I like it. She has spooky music in the background. She does a little sound effects that will spook you out. And she's part of our family. She is and she's part of the morbid family.

So we just wanted to shout her out because we love to tell you guys about awesome other creators. So go listen to it. Hell yeah. Um, I think besides that, what do we have to? We don't have anything to announce today. If you wait for next week's episode, I'll have something. It'll be Wednesday's episode. We have some good news.

We're gonna have some really good news. So hang tight for that. And I think that's gonna be a haunted episode, I'm pretty sure. So I'll get excited for that. I'll get excited for that. One thing I just wanted to mention from a couple of episodes ago,

I think we made a joke because in the case, we were talking about like these kids, like pretty young teenage kids that were like sniffing glue. And we got in a discussion about how you would go about sniffing glue. And we made a joke about a J-O-K-E about Elmer's glue. Like, whoa, are all these kindergartners just getting high. If you really think that I think kindergartners are getting fucked up in craft class, Carl, I just wanted to say, like we normally wouldn't comment on this because we've honestly taken on

a like no reaction to bullshit policy. But this one, I was like, this one has really, and this one has honestly invaded our reviews. No. So I feel like, really? This one has honestly invaded our reviews. No. So I feel like it's like, people are reviewing on iTunes and literally giving us one stars and being like, how dare you not know what sniffing glue is?

Which I was like, what? Sorry that I just don't know that. But what we just wanted to clear up was, that was a joke. Right, we were doing a bit, a little bit between us. We were doing a bit. We know that sniffing, like what sniffing glue is. We were doing a bit. We know that sniffing, like what sniffing glue is.

We understand it gets you high. I think we were like pondering exactly how that works. Yeah, we were pondering the mechanism by which you get high from the glue. But I definitely use Elmer's glue. I know that you don't get high from it. Like it's, we know that. So I just wanted to put that out there.

For all the people that were really nice about it, we're like, let me explain it to you. We appreciate that. Well, because we asked for that. So I just wanted to put that out there. For all the people that were really nice about it, we're like, let me explain it to you. We appreciate that. Well, because we asked for that. But what we just did not ask for is the nastiness. I was like, Jesus, I had no idea a whole community of people that sniff glue or have sniffed glue.

We're going to get so offended by us. Like, so hungry. It just really shocked me. The glue community,, the glitz. More bit, the glue community strikes back, right? So I just wanted to say it was a joke. I promise, don't worry. We understand.

We're not completely ignorant to everything around us. I really promise you that. Yeah, definitely not. But I just thought that was really funny. And as soon as I sat in the refuse, I was like, I gotta say something. I just want people to know, like we're not that was really funny. And as soon as I sat in the reviews, I was like, I gotta say something, because I just want people to know, like we're not that dumb.

So I think that's really all we had to talk about. We should get into it. But we're gonna get right into it. Initially, I was doing another case, like all the way up until the last minute for this one. Yeah, until like last night. Literally, and I'm still going to do that case, I might do it next week, but like we've said before, you have to be like, you have to be in the mood,

yeah, to tell a certain case and to research a certain case. And then all of a sudden, this other case just floated around my my my little sphere of knowledge. And I was like, near door, I was like, oh, and I just plucked it out of the universe. And I was like, that's scary as fuck. And then when I started researching it, I was like, whoa, whoa. So what we're going to talk about today is the Chicago Ripper crew. A crew of rippers. This is a crew. And this is what, this is what astounded me the most because there's four men involved in this. Holy shit. And they all work together. Yeah. Wow. So this was kind of like a cult.

So it's actually like a satanic cult is what they were calling it. But they kind of just made up their own shit. Like they called it a satanic cult, but it was just a cult of fucked up serial killers. Cool, cool. Is what it was. But so weird that they all found each other.

That's what's astounding to me. Like you'll see too, It's even weird when two people think of them like Henry Lee Lucas and the artist tool. Yeah and like you know the tool box murderers which we'll cover soon eventually. But you're always like how do two people and like hillside stranglers, how do you find two people? I know. That have that depraved of a sensibility that they're gonna write. And how do do you even bring that up with another person? That's what's great. I think that's my main thing is I'm like,

how did you all find this out that you're both equally a fucked up? And four people do that fucked up. Yeah. And when you look into it, it seems like the way it is brought into each other's attention is like one of them just like, goes out on a limb.

And it's like, hey, you wanna go kill this girl with me and the other one's like holy yeah that's so great that you said that because I've been thinking that the whole time well it's like the in Brady thing how he went to like like just the pub and was like telling this guy like I want to kill someone you want to join and they were like no yeah like I guess you just got to go out on a limb and see be bold be bold I suppose but yeah so this is one of the situations. It really astounded me. And not only that it's four people that kill women,

which is why we'll see, they kill a lot of women. But it's four people men who kill women in a really brutal way. Great. It's really weird that four of them came together. It's like eight o'clock in the morning right now. Let's get it. Let's do this.

So before I begin, I just want to give a real big warning. This is a very brutal one. There is sexual assault, there is rape, there's mutilation. This is a very big look. Just so you know. So if you're not thinking that you feel like you want to deal with it right now, you know you can go away and come back and like, come again, please. Come again when you feel like you can deal with it, because we know the world sucks right

now. Sometimes you don't want to listen to that, but we hope you do, because it feels, it's cathartic. So this takes place in 1981 till roughly 1982. Okay. So yeah, it was like, boom, boom, but they really did, they did it. So we'll begin on May 23rd, 1981. This is when 26 year old Linda Sutton, who was a mother of two and worked as a sex worker. She had been living with her mother at the time that she went missing. She had gone missing 10 days before her body was found.

Oh, wow. And it was found on May 23rd. The way that it was found was people at this motel called the rip van winkel motel. Oh, it's weird that it's the rip. Yeah, the rip van winkel motel in Villa Park, Illinois. They started and it's a really creepy looking hotel. I think it's renamed the Briar Rabbit hotel because they didn't want to be associated with rippers. Probably not. But in it's rip and rip van winkle is like an old, like, tail of like sleepy. It's like a tail about sleep. Oh, so it technically doesn't have anything

to do with like ripping. Yeah. It's just the name of the person, but yeah. You can put it together for sure. Right. But people at the motel were smelling a foul odor. Oh, no. And they weren't able to find anything in the motel,

so they were like, what is going on here? And people were thinking, you know, it's in a kind of a rural area. There's like big fields around it. So they were like, maybe it's a dead deer. Yeah. That's just like behind the place. So they ended up checking it out, and they found a woman's body behind the motel face down in a field.

Her hands were handcuffed behind her back. She was mutilated. like very mutilated. There were cuts all over her left and right breasts, and her left breasts had been severed. Oh my goodness. Completely. She is. Like down to the chest wall.

There was several cut marks all over her. I mean, her sweater was torn in several places. She had no pants on. Her underwear was down around her knees, like pulled down intentionally. $17 was tucked into her sock. And she had been repeatedly raped. It was obvious. Repeatedly sexually assaulted. They had to use dental records to identify her. Oh my goodness. And on June 1st, 1981, pathologist Peter Seichman was the one on scene and he said that she had been dead for three days when they found her. So they had held her alive and tortured her for upwards of a week before that.

That's what I was going to say because she went missing 10 days earlier. Right. Yeah. So a week, oh my god. A week. So, Dr. David Barrett, the director of pathology at Central DuPage Hospital, he did the autopsy. He said, quote, and this is from the court documents, it said, quote, the victims' breasts and interior chest wall were absent. And several ribs were in disarray. Dr. Barrett found nicks or cuts on a number of the victims' ribs, which could have been caused by a sharp blader object. Dr. Barrett concluded that the victim had died as a result of stab wounds in blood loss associated with the stab wounds.

Holy cow! So cause of death was multiple stab wounds. Catherine Rimsland, who she's the one that we talked about with BTK a lot. Yeah, she's amazing. Right, like I love her. She wrote the book, right? Yeah, and she really communicated with him. She's just, she's so brilliant. Like I love her.

She's just, she's so brilliant. Like I love her. She's a mom. She's a brain. She was, she mentioned in a documentary I watched about this that removing the breast is like a very significant thing. Yeah, it is. Like this is not just something that somebody would do is like, oh, I'm gonna try this out. Whoop, like you know, it's not.

Is that like a mommy issue? It could be a mommy issue or she said it's more of like a parapheralia which is like, she said it's more of like a parapheralia, which is like, she said it could be that, that's something that like, it's like, she described as like a sexual deviance where somebody gets aroused by like, very strange objects and things,

like things that are not normal to be aroused by, like removing a breast from a body. Right. She also said it could be symbolic or ritualistic, because this part of the human body, some people look at as being inherently female, even though it's just like a lump of fat. And so they look at it as like removing the female part of you, like one of the things that makes you a female, you know. So it could be. That makes sense. And somebody dumb like this would think that.

And it also could be a trophy or a momentum because we've seen if they keep the boot. Some of them will keep that kind of shit. And if you look back at Jack the Ripper, which we haven't covered yet, but we definitely will. I know it blows my mind that we haven't covered that yet, but I'm like, well, it's such a big one. It is.

That's a multi-part. Multi-part. So when you look back at Jack the Ripper, his last victim, Mary Kelly, he removed the breasts. Uh-huh. And placed them on her nightstand. So that's something. Like, it's just like, that's a connection.

For sure, it means something. It definitely does. So unfortunately, nothing really, you know, what we see with this is this crew went after, you know, people that were going to be considered less dead a lot of the time. Not always. Sometimes they, I don't think there was really a method to their madness. I think that they probably went more towards, you know, sex workers, drug addicts, and

people that they felt were not going to be missed. Right. They were wrong, right. drug addicts and people that they felt were not going to be missed. Right. They were wrong. Right. Thankfully. But they definitely went for sex workers a lot. And I think that was just for ease of getting them into the vehicle. Right.

Unfortunately. But, you know, with people like Linda Sutton, the case was just going cold. Because it was not a lot of places they could look. She had family, but they didn't know a lot about her whereabouts. I know what she was going to be doing. They probably didn't know like her route that she took anything like that. Yeah, the extent of everything. So, unfortunately, the case went cold. Then one year later on May 15, 1982, a 21-year-old woman named Lorraine Laurie Barowski, she went missing.

And she went missing in a crazy way because it was broad daylight. Oh shit. Now she had blue eyes, brown hair. She was a manager and office manager at a real estate office. She was abducted in the middle of the day in the parking lot, well not in the middle of the morning,

in the parking lot in front of the real estate office that she worked at. Holy shit. So she's literally just like outside of her job. Oh, yeah. She showed up to her office and it was in like a plaza too. Like not to stand like the plaza that I used to work and just walking into work. That's literally what it was.

It's like a plaza you're surrounded by other places, other shops. Like how many of you right now are sitting in your car in the plaza at work? Exactly. Like waiting to go in. And that's exactly what she was doing. She showed up in the morning, early morning, before 8.30, and she was going to be opening the place because she was the manager.

Right. The office manager. And she showed up, and she was never seen again. Holy shit. So what happened was her boss, Don Stib, came to work around 8.4545 and he saw that she wasn't there and that the door was unlocked. He was like, so she hasn't shown up.

And she was very, she came to work every day and she was on time. So they were like, what's going on? Then he looked over at the parking lot and he saw a bunch of makeup scattered on the ground. lot and he saw a bunch of makeup scattered on the ground, her both of her shoes, both her high heels, and the keys. And he was like, oh, what the hell? Can you imagine stumbling across that and being like first being like, oh, that's so strange that like the door is locked like that's not like her.

And then you turn around and you're like, oh, I know exactly what happened. And they would happen, they must have literally ambushed her. Right? And she was just getting out of her car to unlock the door. How do you go? And again, in the morning.

Right, that's a broad daylight. That's scary or somehow. So scary. Yeah. Because you're never safe at that point. No. When you look at it that way, you're like, we're literally never safe.

No. So it was reported to the Elmhurst Police Department when her co-workers found all this and were like, holy shit. Right. So it was reported to the Elmhurst Police Department when her co-workers found all this and were like holy shit. Right. So her mother Lorraine said they went looking for her immediately. They went to her apartment. They searched everywhere. They did missing persons flyers. They asked around everywhere. They were huge searches. Her mother, I watched this documentary. Her mother was so sad watching her mother. She said she was like, I just like stopped sleeping. Of course.

Which I was like, of course she did. I know we talk about that so much with moms of like victims. You could ever sleep again. You just never. I can never close my eyes. Right. Just a lot of people say that they like never get into bed again. They just fall asleep wherever their body shuts down.

Yeah, because you can't just calm down. And she also said, and this is the part that really, because she like, her voice broke when she said this, she said she carried around a white sheet with her, so she said if I found her, I could cover her. Oh my God. Doesn't that just like? Wow.

Yeah. It just has to make that to even think about that as a mom. Yeah. Just to be like, if I find her, I need to cover her up. Like, that's the ultimate caregiver. It really is. And like, her voice broke when she said it. And I was like, that's her baby.

And her name is Lorraine. Right. We're done. It was named after her. She's like, it just really broke my heart. So detective John Milner worked on this case. And he's a detective. He's also a certified investigative hypnotist.

Oh, shit, that's cool. Yeah, and they use it to try to get things out of people subconscious. Yeah. It's obviously like controversial. Some people believe this stuff, some people don't. He did hypnotize people that were working around the area because a lot of them were like,

I might have seen something and I don't know like what's significant or what isn't. Because you just don't think about it. You're not looking for those kind of things. At eight o'clock in the morning. Your coffee hasn't hit yet. You're showing up to work in the morning. You're not thinking you're gonna see someone abducting.

No. So a shop owner in the same plaza, I think they worked right next to the real estate office. His name was Frederick Moberly. And I was like, Moberley? Frederick Moberley said he did under hypnosis. He said, I did see a red like orangey van that was very strange in the area during that time. And I think it has something to do with it. I

fucking hate vans. I hate it. If you drive a van, get rid of it. Every time I see a van, and it's because I read the toolbox murder, and I think it has something to do with it. I fucking hate vans. I hate that. If you drive a vans, get rid of it. Every time I see a van, and it's because I read the toolbox murders, like way too early in my life, and they had that van murder, Mac, that they fucking stupid. That's ages and they'd like,

ugh, it just reminds me of that, and it freaks me the fuck out. I remember being little and like my mom being super freaked out by white vans. And you're just taught that from an early age. You really are. And there was always cases where like it was a white van that the suspect was driving. Of course.

And then it gets like put into other cases where it's like I think he was driving a white van. Just because everybody scared of them. So it was a fucking white van. So this van lead they had it, but there was really not a ton to go on. It wasn't panning out. They weren't really able to do a lot, but they were working hard on this case. So two weeks later, May 29, 1982, a 30-year-old woman named Shu Mac went missing, and she had been driving with her brother.

And this was around like 1am, I think. They were driving home from somewhere. They got into, from when I've read in a couple places, they got into like a little argument in the car, her and her brother and her brother told her to get out of the car and walk. Oh geez. And so she got out of the car. That was the last time she was seeing her. Oh, her poor brother.

Which brother to live with. Yeah, I can't imagine having that guilt. So her body was found four months later in a shallow grave in the woods. And a pathologist employed by the Cook County Medical Examiner's office performed the autopsy. His name was Dr. Upil Choi. He said, quote, and this is from court documents, he said, quote, found there were multiple fractures of the victim's skull, which he attributed to trauma from a blunt instrument. Dr. Troy also found two superficial fractures of the sixth and seventh ribs

on the left side in the high stomach area and in a complete transaction of the right forearm bone. The cause of death was blunt trauma to the head and fracture of the ribs. Two weeks later, June 13th, 1982, a sex worker identified only in court documents as HC. I could not find her name. Probably because she's a survivor of this. Oh, shit. She was picked up in a red orangey van by two men. According to the court documents, it says, quote, after entering the van, the defendant,

who I will tell you who the defendant is later. You will. I will. Told her to remove her clothing, handcuffed her wrists and ankles, and forced her to commit a deviate sexual act by forcing her penis into her mouth. Oh, gosh. He told her if she moved, he would cut her with a knife he had in his hand. Defendant ordered H.C. to tightly wrap pantyhose

around her breasts and ordered her to stab herself in the left breast with a knife while he held a gun to her head. What?! He then cut the whole larger and committed a second act of deviate sexual assault by basically having sex with the whole in her chest. What? Yes. chest. What? Yes. That is something that we find out later is a hallmark of these men. They will remove the breast, which we find out later they remove it by using usually a length of piano wire to slice it off. What? And then they will have sex with the wounds they make

in the woman's chest. Oh my goodness. What the fuck? Yeah. I said it before and I'll say it. How did four people like this find each other? Well, it seems and we'll find out later that this is kind of a culty situation

where these other men followed this one man. It's like an initial, not an initiative, initiation, but I mean, holy shit. What? The actual, I don't know what to do. And this woman lived through this. Oh my God. I hope she was able to like get some kind of reconstructed surgery. I hope she was able to get a lot of help after this because then the defendant told her to get out of the van through her clothes out of the van and drove defendant told her to get out of the van through her clothes out of the van and drove away.

Just tossed her out of the van. Like, that's not sexual assault. That's a whole different... Oh, it's, it's honestly beyond words. I don't know what you can't even know how you would categorize that. It's a very deviant sexual assault. That's all you can think of. Not even.

Like, what? Well, and she had said one man in particular, which we will learn his name later. He was the ringleader. Was very aroused by watching her cut her own breast. And we find out later that is a thing that he is into. He likes to watch the mutilation of a breast. It was like a bizarre.

And he then duct taped her wounds closed before throwing her out of the van. Oh, and then you think of how much that would hurt afterwards? Yep. And obviously she went to the police and told them everything she could. Right. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host

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She had been tortured just like the others, raped, and they found, and this is really horrific. I warned you ahead of time, guys. They found a broken wine bottle inserted inside of her. Oh my god. Her brow was wrapped tightly around her throat, and like every other victim, her left breast was sliced off. Oh my God. Is it always the left one? It's always the left one. That's where you're going. Weirdly enough. I don't know if it's the one because it's like more over your heart.

I was supposed to. That's what I was going to ask. Like, I guess it's your heart's not perfectly center. Right. Yeah. So September 8th, 1982, 30-year-old Rose Beck Davis was kidnapped and murdered. She was a marketing executive.

So it's like we see total, all lots of life. Like sex workers, marketing executives, and office manager, 18-year-olds, white women, black women. There's a wide range because many of these women were black, many of these women were white. There was no victim profile, really. Which is woman. That's all it was. Makes you think like, how fucking crazy are you?

Oh yeah. Because when there's no like victim profile, I feel like that is the most terrifying. Yeah, it's like when there's no motive, it's scary. It's like Billy Loomis says. It is. It is, when there's no motive. It is.

And Catherine Ramzland in the documentary I saw said she was like there was literally no one, no woman was safe. Well, that's the thing. Well, you could be plucked and you weren't safe in the middle of the morning. Right. From broad daylight. Going to work. Tons of people. Yeah, that's so fucked up. I can't imagine. And they said that Chicago was in a state of fucking like just terror, pure terror at this point. Because you had no idea. So Rose Beck Davis, she was a marketing executive. She was found in an alley.

She had been tortured and raped, just like the other ones. There was deep wounds and slashes to both of her breasts. And I read in some things that her left breast was removed, other things I just wrote that I just read that they were both mutilated. So either way, something they definitely focused on the chest. Even Horace, her face had been hacked with a hatchet. Holy shit. Yes. And what they found out later was that many of these injuries and tortures were inflicted anti-mortem. They were inflicted before they did. A lot.

Yeah, because they're just straight up torturing them. It's not like they killed them and then removed the breast to keep. They did it a lot. They were alive. They were alive for ultimate torture, which is just beyond. Oh my God. Yeah. So one month later, October 6, 1982, an 18-year-old named Beverly Washington was founded in

Alley, but she was found alive. What? She had been working as a sex worker. That's how they picked her up. The only reason I'm mentioning the sex worker work is because this is how they were picked up. Yeah. She had the same wounds.

Her left breast had been sliced off. Her right breast had been covered with stab in slice wounds. She was alive, like I said, but she had definitely been left for dead. They thought she was. They thought she was. She couldn't speak. She was in such critical condition. Wow.

They literally had her on like a ventilator at point, like she was in the hospital completely incapacitated, but she made it. She was, she did make it. And not only that, this badass was able to tell police details, not by speaking, because she couldn't speak. She used signals and wrote down things for them. Holy shit.

Well, in the hospital, like hooked up to a million things, can't speak. She's like, I'm going to get. She's like, I'm gonna get this fucker. And this is Beverly. This is Beverly Washington. She is a young, how old was she? 18 year old black woman and she fucking killed it. vital. It's like you can get them down, vital. That makes me so happy. I'm so glad somebody was able to just be like, fuck off. Yeah. So it's always the best. It's like the, not the toolbox, the toy box. Yeah. When she was alive and got out.

Yeah, it's like, fuck you. Because you always want that survivor to be able to take them down. Absolutely. I hate that they went through it, but I'm glad they were able to be the ones who take them. Because they're survivors. So she said that she was kidnapped in a red van just like the SOA. We're already seeing everything's connected.

Hand cuffed her hands behind her back, forced a ton of pills down her throat at gunpoint. Oh, that's weird. Which we find out later some of the people, because a couple of these guys admit to it later. And they do say we would throw pills down their throat, but they never really told what they would throw down their throat. So you don't know what the purpose is? No. I'm assuming just to keep them docile,

like some kind of sedative. Like docile. And yeah, some kind of sedative, to just make it easier, but not strong enough to make them pass out. Exactly. She was then taken to some room in a house. She said, tied to a bed. Oh my god.

Four men raped her several times and tortured her. Oh my God. She said one of the men then took a length of piano wire, tightened it around her left breast and kept squeezing until she passed out from pain. Oh my God. She said she passed out from pain and they must have thought they killed her because when she woke up she was in the hospital.

That's the next thing she remembered. Did they remove her breast? They did, they removed in the hospital. That's the next thing she remembered. Did they remove her breasts? They did, they removed it. She said the van was red, it was older, and she mentioned that between the front and back of the van there was a wooden partition that was built. And she said that the front mirror had too long blue and white feathers hanging from it, like she was able to say all these details.

That's awesome. So an APB goes out, an all points bulletin for the van. Yes. Now that we say all these details. That's awesome. So an APB goes out and all points bulletin for the van. Yes. Now that like we have all these details, but not just a red van. Look for these feathers. Look for a partition. These are like really big details. That's great. So five days after this, October 10th, 1982, Lorraine was found, 21-year-old Lorraine, who was the one that was kidnapped outside of her real estate office because they had no day and they didn't found her at this point right she was found finally five days after Beverly was her mom able to come from she was found in Caledon or a Clarenan Hill cemetery and she had that place had already been searched several times oh wow and her mother said I was 10 feet away from her body and I didn't know it.

Is there any chance that they were keeping her and then they put her there? What they think, she was, it was in an unused part of the cemetery. Oh okay. So they kind of did hide her. Okay. But I guess they just didn't look that place, but she was found with her left breast removed. Her shirt was raised and her brow was lowered intentionally. Professor of Physical Anthropology at Northern Illinois University, Frank Orlovsky conducted the autopsy. He said he thought her chest had been repeatedly stabbed with an ice pick. Yes. Her nose was broken and there was also stab wounds to her back that also looked like they were inflicted with an

ice pick. Wow. So they used several different weapons to and they were back. Yeah. So 10 days after this, Chicago detectives are out and they spot a Dodge van. That's red. Feathers. They peek in there. They see it has a wooden partition and there's the feathers hanging from the mirror. I mean, I'm glad that they're this stupid.

First of all, you're going to drive a red vehicle, like a red van. Then you're going to go ahead and put feathers in there. It's like, why don't you make it more obvious? Exactly. Exactly, but they did. I guess they tried to tint the windows a little, but you could see in that stupid.

Yeah. So officers pull the motor, obviously. And the driver is 21-year-old Edward Spritzer, 21 year old, 21 years old. When they pull him over, he's like super twitchy and he's like, and so he says immediately, he's like, this van isn't mine, by the way. Okay. And the cops are like, okay, why are you driving at that? That doesn't help your case, that this is not yours. A legal. Like that's theft. And he was like, oh no, no, no, it's my boss not yours. A legal. Like that's theft. And he was like, oh no, no, no, it's my boss's van.

And I'm driving it for him. And they're like, okay, well, who is your boss? And his boss is Robin. Robin get. So Robin get apparently he's a little older than this, like probably by like 10 years or so. So he's like 30s. Yeah, he's in his 30s.

And so he was a carpenter and electrician and like a contractor at times, like just kind of like an all around handyman. And before I get into Robin, I want to quickly get into how Robin and Edward met like how they became, how he came to be driving his van. Right. So Edward was living at the time in the rip van,

Winkle Motel. And now called the Briar Rabbit Motel. And he was working at a donut shop part time. And he said he was working here that he met Robin. He said Robin would come into the shop often late, like on his way home from work and get a donut or something. And one night Edward's car wouldn't start. And Robin happened to be the one in the shop late at night and

He agreed to give him a ride home to Chicago. Uh-oh. So This it's it's it's gonna get rough From here. I mean, it's it's pretty rough. It's pretty rough So I just want to keep warning. It's it's gonna continue where I can get a lot of downtime for the folks. Good, glad to hear. So, yeah, so that's how they met initially. And then he eventually started working for him doing little jobs. That's how he became driving that van.

He also considered working for Robin to be doing this with Robin, this stuff with the women. Yeah, that was their quadruple. He considered like we work together. So they bring in, so immediately they go to Robin's house. He leads them to Robin's house because he's like, now he's trying to save his own house. Yeah, of course.

So they go to Robin's house, they find out that Robin matches the description that Beverly Washington gave them perfectly. Wow. And I mean, right now all they have is sure they have the van that matches perfectly, they have him that them perfectly. Wow. And, I mean, right now, all they have is sure they have the van that matches perfectly. They have him that matches perfectly. But they need some evidence. They need her to identify him.

Right. So, and he's denying it. He said he has a wife in three children. Oh, my God. He says I was home with my wife that night. No, you weren't. And when they look over his van some more, they were like, okay, we need a little bit more to like go by here. Not only was everything matching perfectly, but then they, they noticed that the

inside handles were intentionally modified to make sure you couldn't open them from the inside. Why? So you couldn't get out once you were in? Of course. And they were modified to do that. That's fucking terrifying. That's like bone collector shit. If anyone seen the bone collector, first of all, it's a great movie. My biggest fear when I get into like a ride share is like I look at the lock because in that movie, the guy is like a cab driver and he has shaved down the locks to be razors so you can't unlock it and if you do, you slice your finger. Oh my god. And it always makes me think of that. So this immediately maybe think of that. So they speak to him, they go over everything, but he's got to be released. Right. I don't have anything to hold the mouth. So they start to dig deeper.

And they see that he's often been seen at the rip Van Winkle Motel along with Edward. So the, and again, this is where Linda Sutton was. I was going to say, so they talk to the manager of the rip Van Winklewinkel Hotel and they're like, you know, can you tell me anything? And he says, yeah, they often came here. It was him, Robin, with three other men. And he said, they're often here. They would get rooms that were connected to each other

and then they would just like have crazy parties. Okay. So he said, the one who mentioned that, he was actually the one that mentioned, that he thought they were in some kind of like, satanic cults. Okay. He was like, they give me that vibe.

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And he had the right vibe with the satanic culture. She was right. So, this victim Beverly Washington is still in critical condition, but again, they need that ID. Right. They cannot bring her in to do a lineup because she literally can't leave the hospital. So they bring the lineup to her. Into her hospital room?

So at her bedside, she picks him out immediately. What the fuck? And they said she was panicked, like started freaking out when she saw her. Like, saw him. She was literally like that. And like, in a lineup of other men, she didn't even take a second.

And it was like, that's him. Oh my God. And then they said like like she was literally like, in a panic attack. Right. Like so terrified of this man. Oh, I can't imagine how terrified you would, like that man abducted you, raped you, tortured you,

held you, and then sliced off your fucking left breast. Right. You are on like a, you're on a ventilator because of this man. And he's standing in front of you. In your 18 years old. Like crazy. So he's a me. So he was like, there, there. It wasn't like a, you were on a ventilator because of this man. He's standing in front of you. In your 18 years old. Like crazy. So he's a me.

So he was like there. There it wasn't like a photo lineup. Yeah. That's what yeah, they did a, I guess they did a photo ID and they also did a line up. In person. Yeah. Wow.

And he was immediately arrested on aggravated battery and deviant sexual assault. Because again, she wasn't murdered. Right. So that's all they could get him on right now. I hate that. I have such a him on right now. I hate that. I have such a big issue with that. Because he tried. It's like, can we modify that?

She was left for dead. Right. They thought they killed her. Like attempted murder. Okay. You thought it was gonna end murder. So let's just fucking sentence you as such. That's the thing. Cause I feel like they get rewarded for not for someone surviving, for someone being strong enough to survive their bullshit.

And then that person has to live the rest of their life worrying that that person has the potential to get out. Exactly. That makes no sense. So he was arrested for that, but he postponed. Why was there even bond on that also? I'm saying. What did the fuck is the legal system?

Now in between all this, another sex worker came forward and said that she knew, she knew Get and she said he attacked me as well. Oh, damn. She was like, this is not a first thing like he would have killed me as well. There's a warrant issued for as arrest immediately again, his rearrest. It's like, maybe let's not post bail this time. Exactly. He was re-arrested on November 5th.

And now they know that there are like, because of the motel manager, they know there's three other men that they want to talk to. Right. And they already had to talk to Edwards. So they were like, two more. So they returned to the little bitch drive

in the van Edward. And they're like, we need to talk to you. Who are your friends? So they interview him for hours and hours on November 7th. Yeah, he breaks. Finally. And which, you look at his face and you're like, oh yeah, you can breakth. Yeah, he breaks. Finally. And which, you look at his face and you're like, oh yeah, you can break him.

Like, he's a little turd. That must be so fun as a cop. At the bridge. Seeing someone break, like that must just be like, ha, like, when? Gotcha. Now, he admits to, he's basically spilling the beans. And he says, the whole thing was ritualistic.

He said it was all because they were in this cult, they worshipped. They didn't even say they worshipped Satan. They basically used the satanic Bible, but they were just like, basically, I don't think they really knew what they were actually worshipping. I think it was just probably a convenient excuse. And I think they were worshipping get, basically. They were worshiping him, because they believed he had power. And that like, they were doing this for some reason. And I don't mean that like, they believed he had power. Like, they are mentally ill and like, they were like, no,

they are very sane. Like, they determine none of them are mentally ill. Right. And I think they were just like, crazy as in like, psychotic. Yes, yes. And so what he said was they would abduct, they would I think they were just like crazy as in like psychotic. Yes, yes. And so what he said was they would abduct, they would abduct, stab, and then like that was their thing, they would abduct, they would stab them several times.

And then get would remove their breasts, usually with a length of piano wire, and would often have sex with the wound. And he said after meeting get at work at the donut shop when they initially met, he would give him a ride home a lot. And he said, one night they were in the van and they decided to, and this is from court documents, quote, pick up some hores. Jesus. And that's a direct quote. That's horrible. He said Robin had told him he would signal him when they were going to abduct the woman that they picked up. And he promised he said, you won't get in trouble though. I'm not going to get you in trouble. But like just help me out with your driving.

You're driving the getaway car. You're such an idiot. And it's like so Edwards like, okay. Okay. Cool. So he was like, I'll get the woman into the front seat. I'll pick her up like any normal, like just picking up a sex worker. And then I'm going to knock on the partition and you're going to help me like drag her. Yeah. Can you imagine being the sex worker in that car and you hear knock from the back of the

knock? When you hear a knock, like, pop-shits back. Yeah. That's. Yeah. So, and he also told him, quote, we're going to, quote, take care of a whore tonight. My God. Yeah.

So, so this is, you can see how they think about women. Good, good. And sex workers in particular. So the woman that they picked up was Linda Sutton, that first woman. He later admitted that another man named Andrew Cokeralis was also present when Sutton was picked up. And this is when they start being like, oh, cool. Who else was there?

Anybody else who you want to talk about? And the court documents say, this is the description of what happened. When Sutton began to scream, Cocoa Rallis punched her, knocking her into the rear of the van. As she continued to scream, Cocoa Rallis and the defendant punched her several times in the face until she shut up.

They then drove to the Briar Rabbit Motel and took her to the defendant's room. After she was gagged and handcuffed to the bedposts, get Cogorallis and the defendant each sexually assaulted her. At several points, Cogorallis stuck in this bad, a Coke bottle into her. Later, they took her from the motel and brought Linda into the woods. According to the court documents, after Gett and Sutton had been in the woods for five minutes, the defendant heard Sutton moaning and saying, what are you doing to me? Why are you doing this? Hearing Gett whistle, the defendant went over to the bushes where he saw that

Gett had severed one of Sutton's breasts and was having sex with the area where the breast had been severed. Sutton's breast was lying next to her on the grass. Then they left her and they just left. Just left her for dead. So she essentially blood out. Yeah, she was, yeah, I mean. Because I think that was her cause of death was multiple savoons.

So her cause of death was bleeding out from multiple savoons. Now, who is this Andrew Cokeralis? Right, we're talking about. So he apparently worked with them sometimes and also acted as, are you ready? Now, who is this Andrew Coker Alice? Right. We're talking about it. So, he apparently worked with them sometimes and also acted as, are you ready? No.

A live-in babysitter forgets children. There's gonna be so much dead air in this episode. Who needs to tell me this? Because it's just like, what? All you're gonna hear is a hinge as like her jaw just falls open. I should just add that sound effect in there. Like what? Yeah. It's because you know that this like obviously your horrible person.

Was he a good dad question? I have no idea. What? I can't imagine. I really can't imagine. That's weird. So detective Warren Wilkoss is the one to interview him. And when Andrews shown a photo of Laurie, Laurie the first woman, the 21 year old, that was, or note, the second woman that was objected outside of the real estate office. Yes, yes. He immediately says, that's the girl that Eddie Spreitzer

and I killed in the cemetery. Oh my God. So he's just like, oh, what's up? Okay. Now, according to court documents, he said, quote, one morning during the spring of 1982, he and Spreitzer were driving in Getsvan on Route 83 in Elmerst.

They entered a parking lot, and they saw Lori Barowski and forced her into the van. They just saw her and were like, yep, grab her. Just forced her into the van. The defendant said that they then drove to the cemetery where both he and Spreitzer beat and stabbed the victim. In the morning. When Lori was dead, they dragged her body into some weeds.

Like evil, absolute. So be it. So be it. He then implicated himself in upwards of 18 murders. 18 and he admits to everything. He confirms Edwards a record of events. He says they all had six, they would all have sex with the victim stat wounds. He said that was everybody who did that. He added to the details of Linda Sutton's torture and murder as well. Oh no. He said, after

raping her, get removed a homemade hatchet from the back of his pants and struck the woman three or four times in the chest. My God. Get returned to the van a short time later in the defendant's saw blood on Get's hands and on the hatchet. Get in the defendant left in the van and spritzer drove away in his own car. It's like, how do you just drive after that? I don't.

You just go home. I don't want to understand. In Get, it's like, so you went home to your wife and children right and just were like hello family like what's for dinner like it's truly unbelievable that's unreal so now they're trying to get they're like we have a fourth guy here right who's the fourth guy so there's mention that Thomas Andrew's brother is the fourth guy oh so they bring him in an interview. And they want to get more information.

And then oops, he implicates himself too. Of course. So he confirms the whole thing. Said Robin get was obsessed with removing the breasts and convinced him he had powers. He admits that he and his brother Edward, that he and his brother and Edward would rape, torture, and murder women.

He said particularly they all did that to Laurie. He's like, I did that. And then dumped her dead body in the graveyard, so he admits it. They were immediately deemed the Chicago Ripper crew for obvious reasons. I think a lot of this really did Harkin back to Jack the Ripper

just because of the mutilation. Right, yeah. They all, and the sex worker thing. I think it really harkens back to it. They all said they can't remember really how many victims they had. Oh, they just fucking lost count. They literally lost count. Like they're all like, oh, I have no idea. What? Yeah. He said they were part of a satanic cult and that they would abduct the girls off the street. They would bring them back to Getz House while his wife was at work. Are you kidding?

Where are the kids? It would either go to the motel or they would go, well, she was at work. I'm assuming they were in school. Oh, God. He had made his creepy ass little attic, which I'm going to have to find the picture of before you guys. In his home into like a cult room with an altar and a bed to sacrifice victims on. And his wife had no idea what was in the air. Apparently.

What we find out later is that his wife and family believe he's totally innocent. So I wonder, I wonder what's going on there. Yeah, that pisses me off. Yeah, I'm not into that. No. So he said each instance would results in the three men torturing and raping the woman while they were tied to the bed.

And this would happen while get the fourth guy would be walking around the bed, reading a weird satanic passage from the satanic Bible and like chanting and shit. It's like why do you need to like, so while you're doing this, like literally they're like gang raping this woman and he's walking around chanting and shit. Can you imagine the horror? The terror. Like that's true horror. The crescendo of the whole ritual was the taking the piano wire and slicing off the breast. Did he ever say what the point of that was?

No, they didn't really get into it. There's a lot of significance in like mythology and like weird legends and shit like that when you go back, but it's like, I think he was just taking pieces from things. But we do find out later he does say at one point that he, his, like, family, like the men in his family, Robin Gett. Yeah. How do you obsession with breasts and, like, big breasted women?

Okay. And they all had, like, a weird fetish with, like, they fetishized breasts. It wasn't like, oh, I'm a boob man. It was, like, a weird family- Weird fetish. And he said he came from, from like a long line of it. What? So I think it was taught to him that they were objects

for his pleasure. That's real weird. Which is very weird. He did, he said the same thing about, you know, the terrible things they would do. And he said after they would slice it off and after they would have sex with the wounds that the woman received, they would all masturbate into the breast and then they would cut it into

pieces and eat it. No. No. Uh-uh. No. No, no, no. Oh. I could use another coffee, I think.

Yeah. Like, so now we have cannibalism to add to it. Well, because it's so not fun, I don't know the word. It's so strange that you just said that because literally right before you said that, I was gonna be like, and they didn't even do anything with the breast, so it's like, why are they even doing that? But that makes it even more creepily symbolic.

And they wouldn't eat the whole thing. They would cut four pieces off and eat the pieces. Ew. What? And an ex-girlfriend of Gett said he often demanded that she cut off her own nipple instead of she didn't do it eventually, he would. And that's why they broke up.

That's why they broke up. That's why they didn't work out. Why didn't your last relationship work out? Oh, because I wouldn't remove my fucking nipple. What? I mean, it's just, and then he was married before in his ex-wife, apparently, had a scar on her chest from to prove that he actually wounded her. He tried to, like, mutilate her breasts.

So maybe this woman, why she's saying he's innocent, is because she was just so scared of him. I need to say that's why. Yeah. Because otherwise, I just don't know. Yeah I wonder. I need to say that's why. Yeah, because that's the only way. Because otherwise, I'd justification, I can't have in my mind. Otherwise, I just don't know. And like I said, these men all believed

you was powerful that this ritual gave him powers. What power though? What was he doing? I'm not real sure. That's the thing. It's like, you drove around a van and like got donuts sometimes. Like what fucking powers do you possess?

It does not look like he was killing it in life. So I don't really understand. I'm not sure. So none of them would implicate him in the actual murders. Do you think I think he definitely, I mean, because he also, he loved to have sex with the wounds. Well, he's doing this. He's cutting off the breath.

Fucking crazy person. Yeah, he was cutting off the breath. So that's fucking murder. But none of them would implicate him in the staggable. They all were protecting him in a way. We were like, I think he's the cult leader. Luckily, Beverly Washington, our girl, was like, no, it was him. She was able to ID him and describe him.

So she was like, yeah, no, this fucker is the one, he definitely was part of it. And so there was clearly at least one instance of attempted murder, and he had tortured her. She was like, yeah. So only five women's deaths were actually attributed to them, like, officially. Yeah.

But they believe it's upwards of 20 plus. Of I best. Duh. And one of the sources I used for this, I watched a couple of documentaries which I will try to find and link in the thing. I did read a book, parts of a book called Deadly Thrills. It's by Jade Slade Fletcher.

And it's a crazy, it's a really good book about this case. And she believes wholeheartedly that there are other women. She's like, one of the things is, they did go after sex workers so unfortunately, there's probably many other women that we don't know about. Absolutely. And she even said something like, there might be fields that like there's plenty of women in

and we're just never gonna know about it. That's awful. And it's like, oh, that's awful. That's just her tip to think about it. But she's really, she's amazing. And actually Robin Get has said a lot about that book. Oh. And it's like really pissed off about it.

So you know, it's true. So you know, it's true because he's like, oh, like if you read that, LinkedIn, you have this totally distorted. Because he writes letters to people, like people have conversed with him. And he'll say like, none of it is true. I had nothing to do with this. He maintains his innocence still in that. Wow.

Yeah, but that's a great book, deadly thrills. So there's actually another very crazy fact about Robin Gett. He used to work for John Wayne Gacy. Okay, that's so bananas. Isn't it so weird? It's so weird because in the middle, obviously we're talking about Chicago.

So in the middle of this, I was just kind of thinking about John Wayne Gacy, just because of Chicago. Yep. That is, I feel like I had premonition in the middle of this episode. When he was like a teenager and like a little over, like 20s and stuff, he worked with John Wayne Gacy with that contractor business.

Wow. Now there's been no evidence to suggest or confirm that he was part of anything with John Wayne G business. Wow. Now, there's been no evidence to suggest or confirm that he was part of anything with John Wayne Gacy. No. But the fact that those two men would work together and have no idea that the other one, that each of them are serial killers. That's like incomprehensible.

And like deviant sexual satis. Like that's what? But it's like, how did they just happen to work for each other? Well, that's insane. But also I do wonder because we know how John Mayn, Casey was if he was like assaulted somehow or like bore witness.

Yeah, the assaults in the- Oh, I wonder. Realize that that's what he wanted to do. That that's what gets him going. Maybe Casey was an idol of his. Casey could have been the queen of those, like, you know, like helped his psychopathy along. Yeah, which is nature versus nurture.

Which I looked it up and I couldn't find like anything to like, that was really going into that. I'm gonna keep searching for it and if I can find dig anything about the connection. Nuts. I would love to look into that further because that is just wow. When I found that I was like, how?

In this great big world, world had these two fuckers end up in the same fucking workplace. Chicago's way bigger than Boston. Yeah, it's a big place. We Boston's got a small number. The fact that those two people happened to find each other. That's nuts.

It's really, really crazy. That's insane. So September 29th, 1983, Robin was convicted in Cook County of the vicious attack on Beverly, Washington in the attempted murder. And he was later given the sentence of 120 years. Okay. Incredible. So he will be eligible for parole in 2042. Oh, well, still be alive, I think. I hope so. I mean, like, knock knock. I hope so. be alive, I think. I hope so.

I mean, too. I mean, knock knock. I hope so. But May 18th, 1984, Thomas Cokarellis was convicted of the murder of Laurie Barowski. He was sentenced to life in prison. And why wasn't Robin? Because there was just no implication of him in the murder.

He was never implicated. That's so fucked. Yeah, he was there, but he was never implicated. Wow. March 4th, 1986, Edward, but he was never implicated. Wow March 4th 1986 Edward Edward the 21 year old was convicted of Linda Sutton's murder and Also confessed and pleaded guilty to four other murders. Wow Andrew and Edward were both sentenced to death Both of them. Bye November 13th 1987

Thomas Coker Alice's guilty verdict is reversed. I'm sorry, why? Because of some kind of legal bullshit and he got a new trial. So July 16th 1987, he pled guilty to Lori's murder as part of a deal for reduced sentence. Now, what was that mother fucking sentence? She was given a 70-year sentence.

He's eligible for, this is where it gets weird. So Illinois has a thing where you were at this time. Illinois had a thing where you were eligible for day-for-day credit for good behavior. So if you were a good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good So part of the deal was that they also agreed to drop charges for Linda Sutton's murder, as part of the pleading. We're gonna drop murder charges. Yeah, we're gonna drop them. Okay. So he's in there for, he's doing his 70 years and he's getting his good credit,

his good behavior credit. So he could get off early. Oh yeah, he could. So Andrew Cokeralis was executed by lethal injection on March 17th, 1999. He was the last prisoner to be executed in Illinois. Oh, wow. Uh, when Governor George Ryan was leaving office, he commuted, he, like, uh, uh,

commuted. I don't know what I was like communicated. Communicated. Commuted all death row sentences to life in prison. So Edward's death sentence was commuted to life without parole in 2003. Ah. So Edward is life without parole. Okay. It's not gonna.

So it's so nice to me that he has life without parole and Robin get like, I mean, at least he has a hundred and twenty years. It's insane. But well, back to Thomas Cokarellis, he's out of the 70-year-old. 70-year sentence, he served half of his sentence and was released in March- on March 29th, 2019. I knew you were going to tell me this. At the age of 58 years old, so perfectly capable of still committing brutal heinous acts.

All he really has to do is stay registered as a sex offender for the rest of his life, and he's listed on the Illinois State Police Murder Registry. Last I could see, he's living at the wayside cross ministries in Aurora and is taking part in their program for like troubled men. He did one, he did an interview and it's the most infuriating interview you'll ever seen. What did he say? He takes zero responsibility. Of course not.

He says, quote, everyone thinks I'm a monster. I'm not a monster. No you are. No you're a fucking monster. Yeah, you're, you're the monster. I'm not a monster. No, you are. No, you're a fucking monster, right? You're the monster. He also said about the victim's family. He said, they don't want to see me out there on the streets period. And then he said,

No, they don't. Yeah. And then he said, I'm much calmer now. I'm nicer. Not mean. I used to have a bad attitude. Oh, that's one way to describe that. You're going to chalk up murder to your bad attitude.

Rape, torture, and murder is just having a bad attitude. It's a bad attitude problem. Some you grow out of, you know. Okay. Yeah. And he also said about the victim's family. He said, quote, I don't wanna talk to them. I just wanna say, I feel sorry for them.

I just wanna say, I feel sorry for them. Feel sorry for them. And I'm praying for them. Oh, okay. What? You're praying for them? You think that makes up and I'm praying for them. Oh, okay. What? You're praying for them? You think that makes up for the loss of their fucking children that you took?

Exactly. And his last little thing that I saw in the interview that I was like, I literally want to punch you in the nuts so hard. Oh, God. He said, quote, they want to see me back behind bars permanently, but they got to deal with it. I'm out.

So it seems as though you still have a bad attitude. Oh yeah, certainly does. Like, go fuck yourself. And Lori's brother Mark is like specifically like very unraged about this, obviously. Yeah. Because he full on admitted to murdering her. Right. Like, he admitted to everything.

How does an admitted, an admitted murderer walk free? It's unbelievable. And then go, I don't want to talk to the family. It's like, do you think? Truly a miscarriage of justice. Like, you don't want to talk to them? Like, do you think they want to talk to you? And also I'm praying for them.

Oh, fuck right off with that. You probably, you could have saved yourself a lot of prayers and just not killed their kid. They don't want your dirty ass prayers. Yeah, that's true. And don't say you're doing something that you're not doing. Like, fuck you. And her brother, Mark, has said like, has said that his biggest thing is that he's worried that he's going

to re-offend. He is going to re-offend. And he was like, he's young enough. He's got the mentality. And he was like, I feel like he's going to re-offend and that's going to be when they put him away forever, but we're going to lose someone else. Right. And that's going to be all annoying.

And it's really scary. That is fucked up. Because I don't think murder is something that you can be rehabilitated from. Not this kind of premeditated, planned out, like vicious, torturous murder. Torturous, like, realistic murder. You don't know.

You're not being rehabilitated. It's not like this was like a robbery gone wrong. We shot someone. Like a crime of passion, which I not being really, it's not like this was like a robbery gone wrong, where you shot someone. Like a crime of passion, which I'm not like advocating that that's fine. I'm just saying those are a little different things. Because they're like a snap situation. But when you're like planning it,

I just don't see you being very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very know all these details. Like when I started reading, I was like, how did I miss this one? I hadn't heard of it.

So I felt like it was one that I don't know. I honestly didn't look to see if any other podcasts it's covered. They might have, I'm not really sure. I don't like to listen to podcasts before I do a podcast. I don't need that. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna go check and see.

Because in your brain, like, might accidentally say something that's what you say. You don't wanna say things the way someone else says things like accidentally It'll just like be in your head. I'll do it afterwards. Yeah, I always listen out I'm like, oh, what did they say? Look at that So yeah, so hopefully everybody was able to get through this one. Wow, and yeah, it was It was a gnarly experience looking up this one, but I thought it should be told and Holy hell damn holy hell. Well next week we're gonna bring you to a haunted place

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