Morbid - Episode 179: The Whaley House

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

We’ve got a haunted hot spot for you this week! Heading over to San Diego, California and diving into all the hauntedness that is the Whaley House. We hope your main takeaways from this episode are: never buy land that was once used for hangings, always set the house alarm as fast as humanly possible, and remember that it’s rude to blow tobacco dust in someone’s face! Thank you and goodnight.  WHALEY HOUSE INFO/ TOURS Donate to the Whaley house here! Halloween Virtual Events As always, thank you to our sponsors: Daily Harvest: Keep it simple with Daily Harvest! Go to  DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code MORBID to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Care/of: For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to TakeCareOf.com/morbid50 and enter code morbid50 Upstart: Hurry to Upstart.com/morbid to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate is See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Are you crying for no reason at all? Are you crying? Because you didn't get a close enough seat to the drag show. And you wanted it to be special for your man. So are you crying because of that? Because I did last night. Thank you and good night.

It's, you know, usually I'm very, like I'll buy into like my, I'm like very Capricorn. You want this? I like buy into that stuff. A lot of this stuff though. I'm very like questioning about, like, I'm like very Capricorn. You buy into that stuff. A lot of this stuff though. I'm very like questioning about, I'm like, eh, no, no, no. But when you, the way that today has gone,

the way that the couple of days has gone, when you said Mercury is in retrograde, I was like, I'm a believer. Because Mercury, first of all, I'm a Gemini. I'll believe it on that. If you don't know, are you a Gemini? This is actually the strategy podcast for now.

But no, so I'm a Gem I'm Mercury is my house planet. When retrograde means Mercury is moving backwards. Everything is all fucked up, especially for me and everyone else. It feels that way. You know what? As skeptical as I am and as this is silly as I am, I'm willing to blame it on that. Otherwise, I don't know why everything is so fucked up. You just have to be a little patient with technology,

a little patient with communication, a little patient with everything, and just like try your best to communicate eloquently. And if you get fucked up, just scream about retrograde. I think that's what I'm gonna do. Because it just seems like everywhere you turn, you're like, what the fuck is going on? When in doubt cry. When in doubt, cry.

When in doubt, just scream. Scream and cry. And until you get your way. So this is brought to you by us. If anyone else is feeling that way this week, you know, feel free to blame it on Mercury. Yeah. That's what I'm gonna do.

So, let's do it together. Let's all be weird and silly together. Isn't it funny how like nobody ever is like, oh, Jupiter's in retrograde. It's always Mercury. This. I don't know what it's about. Little bitch of mercury. So on a good note, we have virtual shows coming up

that we've been so excited to announce. So if you don't follow us on Instagram, you didn't see the good news. We're doing three shows, a world tour. World tour. A world tour. There, I'm like, you go. You do the intro.

You do it. So we're going to do, and so we wanted to do it so that people in different time zones could not have to do like watch at like crazy hours or not be able to watch because of the hours. And you know, we were like, we would have loved to do a world tour in real life. So let's do it virtually. Yeah, until we can do it in real life again. So we're calling it Haloweak and it's leading up to Halowean and we are doing an Australia show. So it's going to be 8 p.m. local time Australia.

5 a.m. our time. 5 a.m. our time, which we're psyched about. I love waking up that early and like doing fun stuff. I think it's going to be fun. It's going to remind me of Black Friday. There you go. We're also doing a Europe show, and that's gonna be 8 PM your local time as well, which is what time for us? Ah, three PM I think, so that's gonna be just like nice. I'm just gonna have to pretend it's nighttime.

Hopefully it rains that day. Yeah, there you go. And then we're doing a North American one, which is gonna be 8 PM Eastern Standard Time. Yes. So we are gonna cater, it's gonna be three different cases each for each of us. Each of those shows are against six different cases. And each case like Australia day is gonna be for Australia.

It's gonna cater to the demographic, you know what I'm saying. And on top of that, we are gonna be really Halloweeny with it and we are going to dress up. But you don't know like what we're going to dress up. You don't know and it's going to be something different for each show. So we really went like ham on this. So if you want to get tickets, you can head on over to onlocationlive.com slash morbidworldtore. And if you forget that or like it doesn't take you to the right place, the link is in our Instagram bio. There's tons of options on the website, so just make sure you read thoroughly like that you're getting the right show for you if you want to poster. There's just make sure you read because it can be confusing. There's a lot of options.

Many options for you. Many options. But we're excited about that and we're going to tease out our costumes a little bit ahead of time. Let's start that tonight. Yeah, I think we're going to like just post a little like snippets just because it's fun and we're very excited. Yeah, I haven't been able to dress up for Halloween in a long time because once you have kids, you're just not really paying attention to your costume. Yeah, I haven't dressed up for a while. And then this year it felt like we weren't going to be able to

because where the hell are we gonna go? Right. But then we had a reason. I don't know, I agree. For costumes this year because I have three for the shows and then I have three for the shows and then I have one for your kids. Yeah, because we're dressing up

as the toy story characters for my kids. Yeah. Yay kids. And so we're excited about this. We hope you guys are excited. And I think, I think that's it, right? Do we have anything else going on?

No. If you're a Patreon stay tuned at the end of the episode. We are going to shout out some Patreons. We're trying to do that one episode per week, just so, just so you know. One episode a week and we're doing it at the end of the podcast.

So just hang out for that. And a new Patreon episode will be dropping soon. What, what? I can't tell you what day because we have, I think, a thousand and four cases that we're trying to get done in two weeks So it'll be in there somewhere, yeah But I think yeah, I think of them that we're just gonna start our show and you're doing a haunted one this week

Yes, you're taking a hunt remember all of October we have tuber all of October all of October We decided it spooky so we decided we're gonna do one of our episodes It's gonna be like a spooky weird paranormal spooky spooky thing. And then the other episode will be like straight up true crime. Yeah. So I chose the spooky one this week because yours was so fun last week. Yeah, thank you. It was a lot of fun. The rectory, the Borley rectory, that was amazing.

There are a little looser of an episode and you can like, have a little more fun. Yeah, I feel like they, because you know, it's easy to make fun of paranormal stuff. It's not like fun, but like have more like silliness and balls. Be goofy with it. Because it's not like real people, like, you know, dying. Nothing so fffy about the Chicago River crew. Nothing goofy about that.

Fook to me up. Yeah, that's no good. So the one that I am covering today is the Wally House. In San Diego. So if you're in San Diego, you probably know about it. It's probably been there if you're aware of it. There you go. So it's located at 2476 San Diego Avenue in historic Old Town San Diego. Apparently the location is really cool. Actually, it's like kind of smack dab in the middle of like a ton of shit. Such as like just like downtown stuff like restaurant shops. Yeah, like it's in the middle.

It's really cool. That's cool. So in this was ranked by travel channel as the most haunted house in America. Oh, yeah. That's pretty good distinction. Let's go. In 2005, Life Magazine called it one of the most haunted houses in America. So, I did the most haunted house in England, and you're doing the most haunted house in America. There you go. Perfect. We did it. So, this house was built on the site of a pretty gnarly hanging.

So, we start out right away, this house is built on a spot where you were just asking for ghosts. It really is. Like, 100%. Way back in 1852, a small time crook named James Robinson or better known as Yanke Jim. Yanke Jim. Yanke Jim. Yanke Jim. I just made it really.

I was like, Yanke Jim. Yanke Jim. Yanke Jim. He was caught stealing a robot. He did this with another accomplice, but he was the one who was hanged while the accomplice really only got like a year in jail. He did not row gently down the stream. Yeah, this was likely because Yankee Jim was a literal like infamous thief around this place, so he was always stealing shit, so I

think they just had enough and we're like, we're gonna do this. Not cool. They were just gonna hang you. Like we shouldn't do that. Don't know. But I'm saying he was definitely doing this for a long time. Now this alone is a bummer for Yankee Jim. But yeah. But the way the hanging really panned out was. Works. Not great.

Why? Not great. Sorry if you just heard that my like fell. So he was a big guy. He stood at six foot four. So he was John's height, which is very tall. Tall boy. If you have brushed up on your torture and execution methods,

what's I hope you have? I mean, we do. Hope you all have. Then you're aware that by the mid-19th century, the short drop style of hanging was totally out. And the long drop was all the rage. Yeah, because you got to make a show of it. And this was by the mid 19th century.

Again, by the mid 19th century, I mean by like 1866. So this is 1852. We weren't at the long drop yet. Oh. So apparently that in 1866, when it changed to the long drop method, this is just a little history lesson for you.

Thank you. Apparently that was when a doctor was like, whoa, this short-drop shit is real fucked up. Like why would you do that? Because you suffer for longer, right? You're literally just strength. Choking to death. And he was like, why are we just letting people

strangle to death? There's a better way to do this. He was like, let's be humane and give them a chance to break their neck first. That's so humane of us. So this doctor, Samuel Houghton, determined that there were three ways to die from hanging at the moment. And these are exactly what he said.

One, by Apoplexy, caused by pressure on the jugular veins. Two, by Asphyxia, caused by stoppage of the windpipe. And three, by shock of the Medulla Abulangada, which caused by a fracture of the vertebral column. And then he wrote, in the first two cases, so apoplexy on the jugular and asphyxia of the windpipe. He said, in the first two cases, death is preceded by convulsions,

lasting from five to 45 minutes, which are caused by the cessation of the supply of arterial blood to the muscles. But in the third case, death is instantaneous and painless and is unaccompanied by any convalesive movement whatsoever. Is that true? So to me, that seems to be... Yeah, because you're breaking your neck.

Okay, done. And this is great. And it led to the long-drop methods of hanging whereby, you know, the person is dropped from a height-calculated relative to their weight and it hopefully causes their neck to break and boom, they're dead painlessly. Right. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill?

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Unfortunately, this was 1952 and this whole revelation was not around yet. What was that? So the short drop method it was for Yankee Jim. Oh Yankee Jim. That's right, he was hung on the gallows after being kicked off a cart with a new, new surround his neck. So low that his tiptoes were scraping against the ground. Hocus Pocus style, Hocus Pocus style,

and he strangled for upwards of 45 minutes before finally dying. Oh my God. According to the local paper, quote, he kept his feet in the wagon as long as possible but was finally pulled off. He swung back and forth like a pendulum until he strangled to death.

That was in the old-timey paper. What a poetic paper. So nice. Um, so who is, who's in that crowd and who's gleefully watching this execution be botched? All the children in the town. Everybody. And one guy in particular named Thomas Waley. Oh. So Waley was born in NYC. NYC? And was it? And his family had come from a Scottish Irish background. They immigrated actually originally to Plymouth, Massachusetts.

Massachusetts, what was? You know that rock. That was in 1722 that they originally came over. But Thomas had moved across country to California during the whole gold rush scenario. Gotcha. There he opened up a small business with a friend and it was huge because of the influx of miners and workers in the area during that time. And then a fire destroyed the building and it looked like all was lost. Well, he tried to open a few more businesses with some other people, but it wasn't panning out, you know, he was having trouble.

Right. So he ended up moving back to New York City. There he married his high school sweetheart. And I know. Anna Eloise Delane. In 1855, they both moved together back to San Diego. Once they were there, Thomas was like, huh. Where can I purchase land to build my future home

to fill with children? I know. Those gallows where I watched that giant man strangled the death for 45 minutes. So he did this on purpose. Yeah, well, he was like, oh, look, that land is for sale. That's where I saw that guy die. And then he was like, they were like, wow,

you can have this land for like real cheap because it's built on a gallows. Because gallows. He was like, cool. So he bought it for like nothing. So obviously, he did not believe in the paranormal. He didn't. He was. Because he was like, cool. So he bought it for like nothing. So obviously he did not believe in the paranormal. He didn't. He was not, he was like, whatever.

So he bought it for nothing and he built a $10,000 home there, which back then was like, who boy? Bitch. A $10,000 home. Yeah. So he bought the land where Yankee Jim was brutally strangled to death in the gallows. Just wanna keep putting that in there.

Just a friend that's just a reminder from two men and a sub-girl. Just to get out of this guy, bought that land. So the San Diego Herald at the time called it the finest new brick block in Southern California. Hell yeah.

So it was a pretty good house. We love that. He built on this land a granary and connected that to the home and a general store that he ran. I didn't know what a granary was. So I looked it up in Webster Dictionary and it's a storehouse for Threshed Green. You don't know what Threshed Green is?

I don't either. So I looked that up too. It's to separate seed from a harvested plant mechanically. So they sold rice there is what you're telling me. Bunch of grain, basically. Right, right, right. They had three kids in this house, Francis, Anna and Thomas.

I love the name Francis. I do too, I think it's very cute. It is. He opened another general store closer to town in the plaza. So like things are all well. Except that everyone was immediately starting to hear shit in the house as soon as it was built. Cause galos, cause galos.

Can we get that on a shirt? Cause galos. Cause galos. I really touched genius. I'm gonna email the phone. It's honestly an answer for every thing. Cause galos. Like what's that sound?

Cause galos. Yeah. So everyone, cause galos was hearing footsteps, like one word. They're hearing all these footsteps. They're hearing like bangs. They're oh there's always footsteps walking around the living room in particular. A lot of cold drafts I'm assuming. Well the exactly. So the living room had an archway. Like still has an archway. It's still there. It has an archway that leads into like the parlor

part of the living room. Sure. And this archway is supposedly exactly where the gallows was. Oh, shit. Yeah, so they all assumed it was Yankee Jim doing all this stuff. And they just dealt with it because what the fuck do you expect when you buy the plot of land that a dude was brutally strangled on? Cause gallows. Cause gallows. So this is when the family really started having bad luck, though. Uh-oh. And Anna would later say, the wife would later say, like, she believed this house was cursed. Absolutely. Like, probably.

Duh. At only 18 months, baby Thomas died of Scarlet Fever in the house. Oh, no. And around the same time, a fire destroyed his other store, and it was said to possibly have been arson. Oh, shit. Which is like, whoa. Side note, I didn't really know a lot about Scarlet Fever, and then Alison explained it on the Strings and Usual on her most recent episode, and we already told you to go on listen to that, but seriously listen to that. It's so good. Sorry, I had to.

And it's just so good for this time of year, really. So this tragedy on tragedy on tragedy pushed the family to move from San Diego to San Francisco. So they left the house bacon for a little while. Never. Because they were like, we need to get out of here. It's like in the Borlai rectory when it kept being fucking open for, like, dead for just six months. Exactly. So they were like, let's just move to San

Francisco for a little while. And Thomas was like, I'm going to get some work. We're going to just kind of chill out for a minute and like get over this. We've got a big deal. Yeah. And so in San Francisco, Thomas and Anna ended up having three more kids, Violet, George

and Corinne. Cute. So, according to WaleyHouse.org, in 1867, Thomas Waley assisted in the American takeover of Alaska, where he established stores in Sitka and helped set up an American base and served as councilman. Who is this? I was literally just going to say he's busy. I was literally just gonna say he's busy. He's doing the damn thing.

There was an earthquake in 1868 and this made the move back to San Diego to the Wailing House. Oh, no. And they still like- They felt like it owned this house. They did, yeah, because they were doing it. So, I think they were also at one point,

they started renting it out to people, which they continue to do. Sure. So they're like, great, let's just pretend none of this happened. They begin working their general store from the property again, and they turn the greenery into the San Diego courthouse. The courthouse was renting that room. Oh, cool.

And they used three rooms upstairs on the second floor as record storage for the courthouse. So they definitely were like bringing in some love. Big deal. So they also turned a part of the house into San Diego's first theater because the Tanner Troop theater stayed and rented a room in the house between 1868 and 1869. And it's like set up like a theater room. This is like a smorgasbord of a house. It's a cool house.

Yeah. So around 1871, the courthouse wanted to move with all the records to Newtown, but Thomas Waley was like, no, you have a lease. So he was like, sure, you can break that lease if you pay me to break out of money. So they didn't like this. No. So in March 1871, while Thomas was out of town on business,

there was a violent raid of the Waley House where those records and court documents were forcibly removed from the house to be relocated to Horton's Hall on 6th and F in San Diego. So they didn't even go to Newtown? Well, they did. I guess that's part of Newtown. And during all this, Anna Waley was held at gunpoint on the ninth step, on the ninth

step of her staircase, leading up to the second floor by this whole angry mob. So that's a trauma event. I mean, like they remove those records forcibly with an angry mob and held her at gunpoint while her message was out of town. Now people call it the legend of the ninth step and they will feel this horrific presence and a feeling of dread on that step. Ooh, I don't like that. And it says it feels like someone's trying to stop you from going further up the stairs. Because they are. Yeah. And they will literally feel like pressure, people say. Oh, that's so spooky. No, during the following years, there were instances of footsteps constantly

around the home. Thomas was the one who first noticed them, but Anna said she always felt a certain sense of doom and foreboding in the house. She said the tragedies were probably all attributed to this ghostly presence. She felt this was cursed. In 1882, Violet and Anna were married, like the two daughters. Oh, okay. Anna, sorry, I meant daughter Anna. Yeah, yeah. They were married, which meant that they were killing the game back then. Yeah, you're not a new sister. You, yeah. They were married, which meant that they were killing the game back then. Yeah, you're not a new sister. You got married. Hey, oh.

So daughter Anna was married to her first cousin, Q. Wolf, named John Waley. Wolf. Q. So the cool thing is she didn't have to go through the whole like change your name process because they were both named Waley. See, that's the convenience. Very convenient.

Unfortunately, Violet's husband, George T. Bertolacci, don't know if I said that right, don't care because he sounds like a dick. Oh, thank goodness. He turned out to be a dick, so they got divorced. Oh, scandal. So scandalous. Just grace upon your family.

Talk about it, because this was 1882. She was humiliated even though he was a dick. And like she couldn't take it anymore. Like he was an asshole. Yeah, they had to get divorced. She was treated like shit. Because you're just supposed to shut up and take it. Yeah, she's supposed to shut up and deal with it.

She was literally treated like an asshole because he was an asshole. So on August 18th, 1885, after dealing with all this shit around town and from everybody, Violet just absolutely devastated of being bullied in her ass and treated like shit, went out to the backyard into a building back there and shot herself in the chest with her father's gun. Wow. Thomas Waley, her father found her and carried her into the home where she died in his arms in the home. Oh God. So already we're having a lot of really traumatic things happening in this house. Thomas Waley actually died in 1890 so not too long after

only like five years after. Yeah. Probably a broken heart. This was after moving the family out of the house again after that. He died after years of trying to get the town to pay for the damages done to his home during that raid and also getting justice for the literal salt on his wife. Yeah. They never gave him a scent. I believe that. He got nothing.

I believe that. In 1909, son Francis moved back in to the Waley House to renovate it all because it had been sitting dormant so they were like we got to do something about it went into disrepair and all that. So between those times it was literally just empty like shit's just like festering in there. And like emptiness is just cold and sad. Yeah and then he and when he went back he was renovating which we all know that ghosts hate HDTV so they are not into it. That was a religious joke. They're not into it. This is that was like a call back to our our episode with M. Oh yeah. I didn't just thought

I literally have the worst memory. Just doing a call back guys. Go see that episode. Hi, M. So in 1913, daughter Anna died in the home. Oh my God. Or not daughter and excuse me, wife Anna. Wife Anna. She died in the home. And soon, the kids, Anna, Lily, and George all moved into the home again, but all of them besides Jill, Lily, and also died in the home.

So, it's like insanity is like doing the same thing multiple times, expecting different results, guys. Yeah. Like, we got to maybe leave this house, I don't know. Sell that shit. So nowadays this house is a museum and you can go there, you can take tours, self-guided tours, but a lot of shit goes down in that house. Hell yeah, do.

So apparently the piano often plays by itself. And it's like an old ass piano, not one of those new ones that you can like hook up to play. But it's like, it's like creepy shit. Like it'll be like, you know, you're just like really like slow just one key at a time. It must be so fun to be a ghost. Oh my god. I would fuck with people. It would be like I would just be lollin constantly. Like, can you imagine just like trying to play like a Britney Spears song on the piano or something

and like scare the shit out of it? I would just play Alaska Thunder fuck constantly. There you go. So the, so she and the Lear swing, light swing. The lights will turn on and off even though there's some of them aren't even like like hooked up to the main electrical things that are on their own circuit.

Electritions have come in and checked, and there's nothing wrong with the wiring. So there's no reason for them to flicker. That's so creepy. Dores open and close, footsteps are often heard around. People hear the sounds of people eating and literally having dinner in the dining room. What?

Hearing utensils scrape against China. Ghosts gotta eat. Yeah, and then people will also during this will smell like the meal is being cooked. That's just terrarious. They'll smell bread and like pie and stuff, and then they'll go in there and nothing is, nobody's in there.

If I smell bread and it's not on the table, get the fuck out. I'd be pissed. I'd be real pissed. Like you smell a chicken dinner and you go in there and nobody's in there. I'm about to write a strongly worded letter to the afterlife.

Like do not fuck with me with food. No. So people will often hear high heels walking quickly down the hallway and they think that's Anna Waley. They'll often hear children playing and laughing in like tiny feet, like running across. Well, tiny feet. Yeah, right.

And they see impressions in the second floor of people lying on pillows when no one's there. Oh. Figures are also seen from the outside of the house in the windows. Hey, that's the worst. And no one's, and it'll be when no one's there. Yeah, it's the worst. Also, this is interesting because it's, this doesn't happen often, but they have, their

family pets have come back to haunt the place. Because pets are military. Exactly. So they had Dolly the dog and winks the cat when they were living in the house. People will see a dog and cat often. And they will see them inside and then when they'll say something to the employees,

like, oh, they're so cute. They're like, we don't have animals in the house. Oh my God. And that's so creepy. And they'll also see them like running in the back garden together, like chasing each other. Cute. And there's no animal there. That's okay. I love that. Now remember that the greenery was turned into the

courthouse. Oh yes. Well people hear gavill pounding randomly. Oh shit. And like unmistakably a gavill from there. And like rice spilling on the floor. And rice spilling. From the rooms where the Tanner Troop theater stayed for a while people will will hear like Vodville music and like laughter and conversation like there's a lively get together there when no one's in that room. So they're jovial in the afterlorn. They seem very jovial. Now Thomas the the infant who died at 18 months of Scarlet fever, they people say they do hear him because they'll hear a crying baby or they'll hear a cooling baby like a laughing cooling baby but there's no baby there. That's weird.

Yeah. In the place under the archway between the parlor and the living room where Yankee Jam was hanged, people will feel their throat suddenly constricted. No thanks. And will feel like they can't breathe or that they have to cough. And people say they like randomly people walk through that, you just took a big breath. I literally had to take a deep breath. No, I had to.

If I think about not breathing, I have to breathe. And I'm like, but people walk through the archway and suddenly be like, will have to cough suddenly and are like, what the fuck was that? A tour guide said he has that Yankee Jim seems to have a sense of humor as well. I love that about him. He said, quote, sometimes we get visitors coming up or down the stairs, the agreed location

of the old galaos, who end up with a red mark across their necks. It doesn't hurt, and most people don't even notice until someone else points it out. One girl ran out of the house in a panic after her boyfriend noticed the thin red line. Which can you imagine Yankee Jim be like, how does it feel everybody? Just like Lollin from the thin red line. Which can you imagine Yaki Dambi has a feel everybody? Just like Lollin from the gallows. From the gallows, because gallows. Yeah, because gallows. According to Waley House.org again, the former curator of the museum,

June Redding, who really passed away, so our pigeon, said, we had a little girl, perhaps five or six years old, who waved to a man she said was standing in the parlor. We couldn't see him. Oh, shit. But often, children's sensitivity is greater than adults. However, adults have reported seeing that man as well. And they think it's Mr. Waley.

Oh, so I bet he's happy, but I hope he is. It's a museum now. I really hope so. He wanted it to be something. Apparently, he's usually standing on the upper landing on the second floor, and people said they see him clad in frog coat and pantaloons. The face turned away, so she couldn't really make it out, but then he'll fade away.

But he'll just kind of stand up there looking all distinguished. And then be like a dramatic exit. Like he's looking over his castle. If I was a ghost. And I was like pantaloon in the top. And then I disappeared. I would just go, whew. Like I would make that noise.

Do a dramatic hand move. And then I just boom, she's gone. You should like, you just bow grow quick, and you leave. Good night. So in 1964, this is very interesting. Regis Filman, Filman, excuse me. RIP Regis this year.

Oh my god, I forgot that Regis died. Yeah, 2020 Regis, Filmin, it's gone. I'm gonna feel that all over again. I'm sorry, I didn't know it would hit you so hard. I forgot that Regis died. He did, you're dead. In 1964 though, he visited the Waley House. Yes.

And he said he saw Anna Waley. I bet he did. And his quote is, all of a sudden I noticed something on the wall. There was something filmy white. It looked like an apparition of some kind. I got so excited I couldn't restrain myself. I flipped on the flashlight and nothing was there,

but a portrait of Anna Waley, the long dead mistress of the house. And he said, you know, a lot of people poo-poo it because they can't see it, but there was something going on in that house. Hell yeah, there was. So if Regis believes it, I believe it. Regis is word is the word of God.

It's a word. So in the mid-1800s, it said that a young girl, possibly named Annabelle, was running down the hill outside, playing with the kids. Not here for it. And she didn't see the clothes sign and broke her neck running through it. She was taken, so they panicked, took her into the waily house, and broke her neck running through it. She was taken, so the panicked took her into the wavy house and placed her on the table to try to help her, but apparently her trachea was crushed. She died there on the kitchen table. Now people will see this little

girl in the kitchen or running through the yard. Now I took a look at several travel sites, and I saw that a common occurrence as well is to feel cold in that house and ridden them spots. Like, you know, that's to be expected. But a lot of people feel sick to their stomach in certain spots. They'll suddenly get like an overwhelming, like in the courtroom.

They'll feel sick to their stomach. And actually, if you watch, I don't know why I'm bringing, like Buzzfeed unsolved up so much lately, but Shane and Ryan, we love them. We do. They went to this house. I think it was when Ryan was sitting in the chair in the courthouse. He said all of a sudden he felt like really dizzy and lightheaded. Yeah. I don't think Shane felt the same way, but like, because they're you and me. We all know that. But it's interesting, because that is something a lot of people feel.

That is weird. Now, another thing that's interesting is about 40 years ago, a police officer was called to the Waley House and he saw a ghost. He only said that he saw this in his retirement letter when he retired from the force. Oh, shit. So it only came out after that. He never told that I'm not going to let go because I think I'm crazy. This letter is where he spilled the met metaphysical beans, if you will.

He said he was called to the house because a concern set a sin had called and said they heard a woman and saw a woman sobbing behind the waily house. Oh, no, I know. When the officer got there, he heard the sobbing and he went back there and he said he saw a woman in period clothing crying. And so he said, ma'am, are you all right? And she turned, smiled at him and disappeared because it was violent.

It probably was. Oh, I got chills. I got the gooseies. So, and Thomas Waley has been known, which is like kind of rude but kind of funny, to blow tobacco smoke in people's faces. That's just great. On tours. I love it.

He likes to do it to women a lot Okay, I love that Thomas Anna is also said to have worn a specific French perfume that she always were and people will smell that strongly you know that happens in our house like our childhood house. Yeah I always smell my grandmother's perfume and modest too. She always wore Chanel number five and I smell it Fuck yeah, she did now Victor Sant, who was a long time tour guide there, he left in like 2014 after like 14 years of being a tour guide. Wow. And he was setting an alarm one night

and or putting in the code for the alarm one night in the house when he heard a woman ask clear his day to him in the dark, why are you here? No. Like pitch black in there, you're setting the code to get out of the dark. Why are you here? No. Like, pitch black in there, you're setting the code to get out of the house. Why are you here? I'd be like, I'm not anymore. Bye. Well, he did.

He was so scared that he ran out of the house without putting in the code. Oh my God. So he opened the door, which set the alarm off. Right. He didn't set the code. Apparently, the police showed up because of the code. And when he got there, one of the officers was like, okay, we just need to talk to that lady in the parlor too.

And Victor was like, what lady in the parlor? And he said, the lady in the green dress, she works here too, right? She's in like a costume. Nah, brother. There was no lady. Oh my god. People think that it was Anna because she's often seen in a green dress drinking tea in the parlor.

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that we're spirits kind of thing. Exactly. Like, they're just going about their day. And that's the thing I was thinking up too is when we were in the basement at the Lizzie Borden house, we were on like this little handful of people were on like a tour. I will never forget this as long as I live.

We're here as day. And the tour guides were downstairs with us. And no one looks upstairs. And all of a sudden you heard a woman say, hello from upstairs. Like think of how many times you've been alone in your house and you're like, hello, like is somebody here?

Yeah, I feel something. Like we're in their space. And that's what the tour guide, because I remember the tour guide was actually like, went pale and was like, yeah, no one's upstairs. I promise you that. And she said, she said as much as we think, you know, she's a ghost,

she doesn't understand that she's dead. Right. And she thinks where ghosts in her house? Because you get like trapped. So she might hear us and be like, hello, like what's somebody doing now? Do you believe in like parallel universes? I don't know. I don't know. It's, it's a lot for me. Do you think in a parallel universe, like they're still there? Yeah, maybe.

And that's what goes on. Like another thread of time. Yeah, something. I picture like Donnie Darko with like the little like time travel bubble. You know what I mean? And that little like gooey thing that comes shoots out of your chest. I think we all have to follow it. We just don't see it. Yeah. Or maybe in like another time frame, you know, they're the ones alive and where I'll go. But we don't we don't know it. Fuck. I'm just saying. Oh, wale house. Are we dead or alive? What is happening? I don't know. So unfortunately the Waily house right now is kind of struggling with the pandemic.

Because people can't come on, you know, we don't have a trouble. Well, you can take a video tour of the Waily house. That's cool. And I'm going to link to it in the thing. There's also a Q&A with the Waily house historians that you can participate in. I think it's on October 25th. I'm not positive. I'll double check it.

We'll link to that too in case you want to do that. I think you can also send them some donations and they're always looking for stuff like that. Yeah. They also have a store where they have a lot of books about the Waley House and the history and all that, which if you're into that, feel free to go on there and buy from them because we wanna keep these places, it's a small business. It's a small business. It's a small business.

Because even like the Lizzy Boardenhouse was having financial issues staying afloat, and I'm worried about them. Is that why they, I know the Lizzy Boardenhouse is different from Maplecroft, is Maplecroft, right? Yeah. Is that why they sold it?

What? Maplecroft? I think so, yeah. Oh, that's really sad. Because Maplecroft? I think so, yeah. Oh, that's really sad. Because Maplecroft, in case you didn't listen to the Lizzy Board episode, is the house, the mansion, that Lizzy and her sister moved into after their parents were killed. And they named it Maplecroft.

And she died in that house, like that was her home. Because her sister moved out. Like three out of Yeah, they had a falling out. And so, Mabelcroft turned into a museum, and it's so cool. And they were really trying to redo it at the time that we went to the little storehouse. Yeah, they were telling us to go there.

So it looks like they weren't able to financially do it. Has it been bought yet, do you know? I don't know if it's been bought yet, but do you know how badly I would buy that house? Donate to patreon.com slash know. I'm just kidding don't eat a patreon and we'll buy maple crop and just constantly record from maple Yes, oh my god. Can you imagine guys what dreams are made if we were recording from maple cropped every week? Holy shit like we it wow. That's method acting that That's method recording. I wanna buy maple crops. So badly, I wanna do it. I actually wanna buy like my own house first.

I don't wanna be living in the apartment. No, I wanna be living in the apartment first. Record a good maple crop. Living in my flat house apart. But yeah, that's the story of the Waley House, which was built on the site of a botched execution. Love that, Cuz Gallow's. So Cuz Gallow's, and guys don't, I mean, I don't recommend buying plots of land

that have that kind of traumatic history to them. It's not a good idea. It's really hilarious because we were just talking about buying maple croft. Maple croft isn't traumatic though. She died at peaceful death. After having a falling out with her sister. And people were really mean to her. We'll give you a shit.

People used to run by and yell at her and signal as he board and song to her. Yeah, did you guys know that? We said it in the Lisi board and episode. They found her at her new house. They would find her at this house in this old woman. And again, if she killed her parents,

then whatever. All right, but if she didn't, and they used to come and they would sing that song to her Lazy Board 10X. Right. And they'd like yell it outside of her house. I would have gone again full method acting and just like sat on my porch with an axe all the time. I'm not doing anything.

I would have literally walked out slowly with a hatchet and just walked towards them with like a shadow and so on until they left. Yeah, I'd be like what the fuck fuck is up, you little shits? I want to do that now. If I did it, or if I didn't do it. My whole plan is to be that lady in the neighborhood. Yeah, I don't think you need a plan. I think you're there, sister.

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We're, but that's a word that you buy land on the gallows and be like, oh my God, everything's gonna be totally fine. And then you move in and everything's not totally fine. And then you keep leaving and coming back because like really what do you expect if you just leave keep leaving and coming back and bad things are happening. And not so weird that like something bad happens to you

on the ninth step because nobody really likes the ninth step and nobody really has any time for that. And that's a weird thing to me. I got this mean to you and then like bad things happen in the back shed and then a police officer sees you crying and then you're like, smile, disappear, see you later, sir. And then not so weird that you can't set the alarm code

and everything happens because the ladies back there and the kitchen and not so weird that you go to the waily house and get scared, shitless and you put your pants by. Wow, that was a great guy. That was really good. Thank you. Wow. Hey, Prime Members!

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