Morbid - Episode 182: The Dybbuk Box

Episode Date: October 26, 2020

This week we’re talking about one of the most haunted objects in the world. The Dybbuk box stepped on the ebay scene in September 2001 and nothing has ever been the same. The word, “Dybbuk” comes from Jewish folklore and literally means, “to cling.” An otherworldly spirit was captured in the box during the holocaust and when Kevin Mannis bought it at an estate sale, brought it home and opened it, his life changed forever. So did the lives of the next two owners, and anyone who has seen the movie The Possession, based on the box! Keep it weird, but not so weird that you open a cursed box and ruin your life! As always, thank you to our sponsors: Simplisafe: Go today to SimpliSafe.com/morbid and get a FREE security camera, plus a 60-day risk-free trial with any new system order. ThriveMarket: Go to ThriveMarket.com/MORBID. Join today and you’ll get a FREE gift of your choosing!! Best Fiends: Download Best Fiends FREE today on the Apple App Store or Google Play. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And this is Morbent. And this is the 5 o'clock news with Ashley Kelly. You're watching live. Wow. Isn't that really good? That sounded very real. Thank you. Thank you. So guys, what's up?

I'm back at it, Alain is back at it. We're gonna be doing another haunted episode because I felt like it. Yes, we love these haunted episodes for October. It's October, I'm feeling spooky, I'm feeling creepy, I'm feeling right. And you know what, in most of these haunted episodes, people die.

It's not like there's no murder. There's murder and dress happening. It's just crime involved. We just add ghosties into it. Exactly. So you know, you get a little bit of everything. A little bit of everything. Well, this one's gonna be awesome.

I know. I'm very excited. I told you, if you follow me on Twitter, you know that I saged my whole house after this. That's right, you did. And don't worry, I didn't use the wrong sage. I used, I didn't even know there was the wrong sage. No, I did not. But I do now. You do know. And I sprayed the sage. If you didn't know, there's like,

well, I don't know if it's available to you guys, but there's this local witch store near me that I go buy sage at and you can spray it. Yeah, spray sage. Sometimes I spray it on myself if I'm feeling moody. Anyways, fun fact for you guys. We are working right now. Do you remember what we're working on? I don't remember. What could it be? She's joking. I am.

We're working on a Halloween merch drop for you guys. Yeah, I'm very excited about it. Yes, it includes some of our old pals, little hint for you, then. Yeah, I'm not gonna tell you who, but... Not gonna tell you anything. Yeah, it also involves your toes. Just say it does. It also involves a dead man's toe.

A dead man's toe. It does, I mean, just involves your toes. Yes, your toes. And it's gonna be awesome. So get ready for that. Yes. And if you're still needing some Halloween goodness, our other podcast, crime countdown on the podcast network,

we're gonna be having a Halloween spooky spooky episode. And I think it's gonna be awesome. I think you're gonna be really excited about it. Yep. We also just recorded an episode for the new year that I'm like crazy excited about. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Go check it out if you haven't checked it out.

You can find it on Spotify or anywhere else. You know, Crime Countdown. Go go to where everybody is going. For all your Halloween goodness. Do it. For all your top 10 list goodness. That was really funny, Halloween goodness. I like telling you some less.

I see you now. So that's all we have, I feel like. Yeah, I think it's just like two minutes of shillin and then we'll get right into the spooky spooky. Yeah, okay. So I feel like we've been talking about some serious haunted places lately. We are. We talked about We brought you to the most like haunted home in England and the Borlai rectory. Yep. You bought us

You bought us the Wally house. You bought us the Wally house guys. I was trying to keep it a surprise But here it is happy holidays. I bought you guys the Wally house. It's all of ours joke Nobody take that seriously. But guys, that would be awesome. A manifest it. I want a manifest it. I'm going to buy a haunted house. And I'm going to say, hey, weirdo, it's all of ours.

Here you go. So we've talked about a lot of haunted places. But what we haven't talked about is, I think, the most terrifying thing I've ever heard of. And it's an object. The Dibbick box. I've heard about this and it's an object. The... The Zidane! ...dibbic box. I've heard about this.

The Dibbic box. So it's apparently the world's most haunted object, so no matter where you live, you better watch out. You better watch out. You better watch it, because we're talking about the world here. We're not just talking about America, we're not just talking about England, we're talking about the fucking world. The globe. The globe. A planet in the solar system.

Yeah. So let me school you real quick. I'm ready to be schooled. Alright, the word dibbick actually comes from Jewish mythology. And it's the word that you would use to describe a really pissed off detached evil spirit that then attaches itself to something, in this case, a dibbick box. Well shit, I love this a box. I love that that, like, where words come words come from because it's like this word is

used to describe a very angry spirit that's like pissed off and then dies and is evil and attaches to something but does and it's like it's weird that somebody had to make a name for something like that. It is. It is. Like that happened and somebody was like we should name that. What do we call that? That's real weird. That is really weird if you think about it. Yeah. It's like weird laws or weird rules that you're like someone had to fuck up for that to be a law. And like who did that? And then if you think about it for too long,

it makes your brain hurt because every single word had to be thought of. Yeah. And who thought of it? And how did they know what a word even was? Dinosaurs. I don't know. Fuck. All right.

Anyway, so that's where the word comes from. And Dibbik literally means to cling. Oh, okay. So it clings onto you. Not me. Yeah, not you. In the past, people pointed to certain mental illnesses as just people possessed by Dibbik's.

Oh, they were like, it's fun. You just have a Dibbik attached to you. Yeah, that's an easy way to explain anything. Easy way to explain it. And you can just give it a get rid of. So to get rid of the Dibbic that was possessing you, you would have to undergo an exorcism that would send the dibbic back to where it came from.

Seems easy. It does. In most cases, Jewish folklore pointed to the other side as the dibbic origin. That's where it came from. So the other side is where they came from and the other side is where they all hang out. All where all the demons hang out.

Oh yeah, obviously. But then they come over to our side through cats and black dogs. Oh. Yes, and I have two cats and no, we don't have a black dog. No, I have a chunky little fun colored dog. That's true.

So yeah, that's how they can come through. And then people who are passing in between this life and the afterlife are really big targets, targets for most divics, because they'll cling to your soul before your soul can see the light. That's cheap as fuck.

Cheap as fuck, but I mean like, that's some dirty pool. You know what I picture? I picture a dementor. Yeah, right. That is, and it's just shitty. It is very shitty, I agree. Wow.

I also read in some sources that Dibbix are typically the souls of sinner men who possess the body of a woman. Oh, yes. Oh, I don't like that. And also I read in one source that Dibbix were never known to attach themselves to objects. So this is an interesting story. So let's get to the Dibbix were never known to attach themselves to objects. So this is an interesting story.

So let's get to the Dibbix box. I'm ready. The Dibbix box stepped on the eBay scene in 2001. Do you guys remember eBay? You guys remember that eBay scene? Is eBay still a thing? eBay still a thing. Shit.

I never understood eBay confuses me. Because you have to bid. Yeah. That's what it's confusing about. It stresses me out. Yeah. So anyways, the Dibik Box went on eBay in 2001 and it was being sold by a man named Kevin Manis. So he owned and ran an antique store

and he had purchased the Dibik Box from an estate sale. So the items being sold were the belongings of a woman who had survived the Holocaust and passed away at 103 years old. Damn. Right? Damn. Bad ass bitch alert.

Wow, that's bad ass. So the box had been in the family for as long as any of her children or her grandchildren could remember. They were like, yeah, it's just always been here. That box is just hanging around. Exactly. But the granddaughter who sold it to Kevin told him that the grandmother never opened it and warned her children and her grandchildren

that they were not to open it either. Ooh, so I'd be like, well, I don't want this anymore. See, I'd be like, I'm gonna open it. Ex-a-bong, I think we had that. So Kevin was like, cool, cool, cool. It sounds like this box has been in your family a long time, like, why don't you just keep it? Like, I'll give it back to you.

And the granddaughter was like, oh, no, no, no, like, go ahead, you take it, you already paid for it. It's your, I don't want it. It's all you, man, why don't you just keep it? Like, I'll give it back to you. And the granddadder was like, oh, no, no, no, no, like, go ahead, you take it, you already paid for it, it's yours, I don't want it. It's all you, man, it's all you, man. So she said, it's all yours, but I'm telling you, do not open that under any circumstances whatsoever. So Kevin took the box and some other things that he bought

back to his shop to sell. So he placed the box in the basement, and then I guess he had to like run out and do some errands. And while he was out, he got a call from one of his employees that worked at the store and she was freaking the fuck out. So when Kevin came back and he went into the basement, he said he got hit with a quote, wall of scent that smelled like jasmine flowers. Oh, even if it's a nice scent, you don't wanna hit it with a wall of scent. And honestly, I had no idea what jasmine flowers smelled like

and I looked into it and I guess they're like very perfuming. Yeah. But some people think that they smell like pee. Oh, so that's good. Like there's some kind of ammonia. I guess so. Yeah, there's a peepee smell. All right, peepee jasmine, that's something.

Yeah, and then, so he's smelling pee slash Jasmine flowers. And he also realizes that all the lights in the basement are broken. Like they've like shattered. And he's like, what the fuck? And the employee also said she heard otherworldly screaming coming from the basement. Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, bye. from the basement. Okay. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. Bye. That sounds bad. Really bad. Other, worldly screaming. Like, what is that, I don't, I'm not asking for anybody to let me know. I'm just like, what?

Oh, no. Fuck. I don't like it. Needless to say, she was so terrified she never fucking came back to work again. Hell yeah. I feel like every haunted story involves one employee that does not come back to work as always a story

of a career ending during the whole thing. There always is. So I don't know why, but Kevin didn't think a lot of this. I can only assume that he had a lot of antiques and chalked it up to just some routine weirdness, I guess. He's like, oh shit They're always haunted. He's fucking anties. Yeah. So in any case he had his mother's birthday coming up And he thought that the box would be a perfect gift. All right Kevin. You might be a dick. I know Shemneur. Like you you might not be a cool guy. I think you just didn't know so he could know

So either we don't want to get sued. Well, don't give your mother and otherworldly screaming ball. Well, he didn't think that the other worldry, the otherworldly screaming was coming from the box. All right, but question. I agree. So anyways, he cleans up the box, he gets it ready for her. And I don't know if that's when he decided to open it,

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on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Darn, ee-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! So Kevin's mother came to the shop one day to grab lunch with him and he was like, oh, I'll give you your birthday gift. I'll give you your demon box. Here you go, I got this for you, special. Mom, otherworldly screaming not included. Love you. Otherworldly screaming batteries not included. Otherworldly screaming included.

But you need the batteries for it. No extra cost. Oh wait. So he showed her to the box and then he had to run and do something, I guess he had a phone call, I don't know. He was in another part of the shop. When he got back to his mom, she was sitting in a chair, not speaking or responding when anyone spoke to her and she was crying. She would not move from this chair, sedentary to the chair. I literally saged my entire fucking apartment after

finishing this. I'm probably gonna sage myself and this computer after and delete this file. You should sage this laundry room after. I think this laundry room could used to be sage to be honest with you after all the horrible things we talk about. So anyways, they rush her to the hospital and they find out that she suffered from a fucking stroke. This box gave her a stroke. She had a stroke from this box, and now are you ready? Damn. So she was left unable to speak for like a good amount of time, and she was working on regaining her speech.

So while she was working on that, she used a board to spell out words, and that's like how she would conversate with people. And so Kevin was visiting her one day, and she spelled out on the board no gift. And he was like, no, I did get you a gift. Like do you remember the box? And she's like, I don't want another one of your gifts.

She wrote back, hate gift. Like I hate the gift. Oh shit. Yupp. See? I just got chill saying that. I haven't said any of this out loud because Annie did never wants to hear anything about this. Oh my god.

So I was in this alone last night. All right, so Kevin kept trying upon the box off to family members or sell it. Dude. But it kept coming back to him. His sister gave it back after just a week and she said that the doors of the wine box kept opening on their own. His brother only kept it for three days because his wife said that it smelled like cappy. And she was like, fuck that.

And then he finally was able to sell it to this older couple, but they brought it back to the shop again after three days. And I don't know, like, if they brought it in like the middle of the night or something, but they left it outside. Stop selling it to old people. What the fuck? I know.

Like, I know your life, Kevin, but like, come on. I know. So they returned it at like some point in the day when like in the night when the store wasn't open So they just left it there and they attached a note to it that said this has a bad darkness This has a bad darkness. Is that so freaky? Holy shit He also tried to give it to a girlfriend at one point because I guess he just like didn't fucking like her But she gave it back, of course. And she said to him, get rid of this, please.

Get rid of this, that's a very nice thing to say. I don't know if she said it exactly. I just felt like, what the fuck? Kevin, what the fuck? You know, like, I don't know if they're like not together anymore. She's probably like, yeah, I dated this one fucking guy who gave me this haunted ass box. He gave me a fucking dibbic box.

Right, like, that's the last thing I needed. You're ex-campy worse. No, no. You can't. So Kevin couldn't get rid last story. You're your ex can't be worse. No, no, no. So Kevin couldn't get rid of this and he couldn't get rid of it. He couldn't get rid of this and he couldn't get rid of it. He, wow, what a thought. I don't know what I just said. So he brought it home, which would be like the last thing that I would do. I know I was going to say in what reality is that a solution to the problem. I feel like I would just leave it somewhere. Just leave it.

Does any of us store something? Just leave it in a... Well, yeah, but I think it was like fucking up his store. So he immediately started experiencing what everyone else was talking about. He would see shadow figures that he'd never seen before. He started having vivid dreams about walking with a friend of his, and in the dream his friend

He would be looking at them and their eyes would like shift into something like really scary and the friend would turn into an evil demonic old lady and start beating the quote living tar out of him No, and then when he would wake up, he would be covered in bruises. Oh. Yeah. Oh no. Yeah. No.

So one night he had a sibling's over, like for dinner or something, and I guess they spent the night. And when they woke up the next morning, they all said that they had the exact dream that he was having. That's fucked. And the dream was also the one that his girlfriend

described to him when she had the box. What is so anybody? Who is this old lady just beating people up? We're gonna find out. Good. So, Kevin brought the box out to a shed in his yard, like hoping his home would be a little less affected by everything. But the strange dreams continued, and then the smoke alarm went off one night in the shed.

And when he went out there to check on the shed, there was no source that he could find or any smoke at all that set the alarm off. It was a Damon. There was literally just the alarm going off, but for no fucking reason. It was a simmering Damon. And he also said he was punched in the face

with that capy Jasmine flower smell. Wow. Yeah, so something is going down here. And at that point, he had had enough finally. So he brought the box inside and started trying to research anything about it. And he made the decision to sell the box on eBay. Like, that's where we get here. So, okay, I was wondering where you came, but here we are. So here that, that's here we are. Here we are at the eBay scene. All of the logical moves. He's made so far. This one makes the most sense.

Yeah, so it took a long time, but it sold to a college student, and he ended up buying the box in 2003. And because it sold to a college student, I'm sure you can only imagine how much worse this is going to get. Oh, it's gonna get so much smoother and not at all crazy.

Yeah, I live in like a dorm room essentially, because my fucking apartment is just a bunch of college students, and I can't imagine if they had a haunted box. So maybe one of them does the whole thing. So the student was, and I'm gonna butcher this, and I apologize in advance, Losef Nitsky, I think, and he was going to college in Missouri. So he wasn't exactly like a paranormal expert,

that Kevin was hoping was gonna get the box, but I think after years of trying to get rid of it, Kevin just settled and was like sure take it. Someone take it. Exactly. So almost immediately, Losef, who I also saw reference to as Sam, which I don't know if it translate Losef, translates into Joseph,

so I don't know where Sam comes in. Oh, that's weird. I saw it was different in some sources, but he began to experience some weird shit. Electronic started going insane. He had to replace his computer at one point. He and his roommates were having a ton of trouble sleeping. Like none of them could fall asleep.

And they woke up one day to a ton of bugs just crawling everywhere in their house. Fuck that. And there were bugs all over the box. Okay. Can you imagine being one of his roommates? No, I wouldn't be. Can you imagine being the roommate of the dude that brought a fucking haunted box into

your house? No. I believe this is why we sign a fucking agreement, a roommate agreement. It should say in there specifically, no one can buy a haunted box unless they talk to the other roommates and we agreed to buy said haunted box. I'm putting that into any agreement that I have in a lease. Yeah. Honestly, I should have put that in my mortgage agreement with John.

I feel like he would have to worry about that with you. I was going to say, maybe I should tell him we should do that for his benefit. That's all. That would be a the other way around. Maybe I should tell him we should do that for his benefit. That's all. Then that would be a good, fair benefit. Also, this is really funny. I found out, like, through all this research that you can't sell haunted things on eBay. There's, like, a thing against it. There's a legit thing.

Yeah. Wow. It's like doing sell haunted items here. I mean, that's nice. So yeah. They experienced all those bugs and insomnia and horrible things, and they also experienced that majestic fragrance of cat pee. Ooh.

Yup. And then Sam slash Losev seemed to have it the worst out of the owner so far, because he was like super laissez faire about the whole thing. Oh. Did I say that right? laissez faire. Yes.

And in the beginning, he just thought it was all a big joke. And they were having a house party at one point. And he took a girl's arm and stuck it in the box. Like an unconc- an unconcenting girl shoved her arm into the box. Honestly, he deserves to be punched so hard in the face for that. He absolutely does. And also, did you really think the bugs were a fucking joke? Are you that dumb?

Exactly. I like, that's just stupid. I don't really know what happened first, but. Ugh, still. So that idea, obviously, because you don't play with spirits like that's just stupid. I don't really know what happened first, but oh still so that idea obviously because you don't play with Spirits like that. No, and I feel like they're they're not gonna come for that girl. They're gonna come for you and after that He started to see shadows. He started losing his hair Yupp, and he started like just becoming super like reclusive and like wasn't talking to anybody. Holy shit This is like the craft. It's really creepy. So Losef only had the box for eight months before putting it back on eBay

himself. That's a long time. And during the time he had it, he was writing a blog about everything that he'd experienced. And Jason Hxton was a reader of the blog, but also a director of a medical museum where one of Losef's roommates worked. Wow. So like talk about a small world. Tiny world. So after reading and hearing about the box and hearing all the roommate stories, Jason was really interested in buying the box to study it

because he thought that there might be some kind of like scientific explanation about what was surrounding the box. Yeah. Which I don't know about that. So Jason is a wicked smart dude. He was a university administrator, and he worked with the Smithsonian Institute Museum on a ton of different projects.

Wow, so he's like smart guy. His bio also says that he was working on getting his doctorate in education. Good for him. So like just we're telling you how smart he is at the jump. He's got brains between his ears. Yeah, he bought the box off of eBay for $280. And when he got it to the museum, immediately everyone there experienced the electronic effects

of the box. The computer stopped working instantly. And important data was like completely gone forever that they had collected. So that sucks. The smell of cat pee was permeating me air. What a terrible side effect. I know. One employee lost a grandparent suddenly, even though there was nothing wrong with them. And people who worked at the museum were begging Jason to get at the fuck out of there.

Yeah, killed somebody's grandma. Right? So Jason didn't think that the box was haunted, so he decided to bring it home. And while the box was in his house, Jason and his family experienced the shadow figures just like everyone else, and their experience first happened when Jason and his son were watching TV together. So they're sitting down watching TV one night, and the son is like, oh, like I saw something out of the corner of my eye, and he says it to his dad. And when Jason

turned to look, there was a large black mass directly behind his son. I literally just got full body chills. Is it like the scariest they got? I just chilled my entire being. I hate it. Don't bring haunted objects into your home when you have kids and families. Stop doing it. Or just at all objects into your home when you have kids and families. Stop doing it. Or just at all.

If you live alone, go for it. And do what you want. Exactly. You just can't be doing that. He also began having the dreams where his friends would turn into demonical ladies and beat him up. And when he would wake up,

he'd wake up with waltz all over his body. So not bruises, waltz. She's getting mad. His wife had like a strange reaction to poison ivy where her skin started to bleed from the poison ivy rash. What? While the box was there, I don't know if that I did anything to do with it. Could it just been a bad case of poison ivy? Yeah. But while she was telling Jason, he started spitting up blood. Oh! Yeah. That's not normal. Nope. And then at one point, he left the box in the basement of like a rental property that he had

because he was just like done at this point. And he went home to take like a cleansing bath just to get everything off of him. And while he was in the bath, he started coughing. And he coughed up, quote, two handfuls of this crud. What? The fuck?

It was this like, this is really gross, I'm sorry, it's for you. It's a mucousy like thick, just substance that he couldn't stop coughing up. I'm horrified. Isn't that disgusting? This is a legitimate horror movie. It is. Holy shit.

It actually is. It really is. And he said, In a My San Antonio article written by Jessica Bellesco, all I knew is I got this thing and I got very ill. I don't know what happened. I still don't know. Holy shit. So this guy that was on science side.

Right, yeah. With this whole thing. So he was still interested in the box and wanted to know what was making this all happen. So he spoke to Wikens, he spoke to paranormal experts, rabbis. He tested the box for bio hazards or mercury or any... That's smart. ...anything to explain why he was getting so sick. But all the tests came back negative for anything. All the experts instructed him to contain the box

and put it in some kind of other container that was lined with gold, and it would neutralize the spirit in the box and put it in some kind of other container that was lined with gold and it would neutralize the spirit in the box. Huh. So she just wants 20 full carrots. She just wants gold. And for some reason that worked. And Jason's illnesses started to fade.

Wow. Yeah. So he also, this was just like something cool that I found. He prayed to the Greek goddess Hekati at one point. Because she's the goddess known to keep away evil spirits. Oh shit. Yeah. Look at that Greek goddess. And then at one point or another, I don't know why. Jason had to remove the box from his home and he buried it in an undisclosed location after putting it in a military grade shockproof container. Wow. Yeah. So it's just buried there somewhere?

It's well, it was. Oh, I thought it was still going to be there. No. So Jason, Haxden, spent nine months writing a book about all his findings and about the Debuk box and all the experiences that he had experienced. He contacted Kevin Manis and Losef, too. Somewhere along the way, they were connected with the original owner's cousin, Sophie.

So remember, the original owner was the woman who had survived in the Holocaust. Oh, yes. And they found out that her name was Havela, I think, pretty. So Havela got the box in Spain, and she had used it to capture an evil spirit, and she accidentally let that evil spirit into the world while using a makeshift Ouija board

to contact a good spirit to help fight against the Nazis. Wow. Yes. There's a lot to just gnaw on there. A lot to digest there. So she unpacking the world's biggest suitcase with that. She escaped the Holocaust. Like, she didn't escape the Holocaust.

She escaped, like some kind of camp. And then she wanted to end like the Holocaust. And so she made a makeshift Ouija board to try to contact a spirit to defeat the Nazis. But then she ended up getting in touch with an evil spirit. And she was trying to contain it and she used the box to do so. Wow. Isn't that bananas?

That is a goddamn tale, right? So Sophie and her cousin didn't even know what else to say. Wow. I know. So Sophie, the cousin told Jason and Kevin that Havela had kept the spirit in that box for as long as she had it, but that she wasela had kept the spirit in that box for as long as she had it, but that she was unable to contain the spirit. And that was what resulted in all the horrific events

of the 20th century, like the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, and like a ton of other horror things that happened. That's pretty far-reaching. It is. What the fuck spirit did you capture? I don't know. Damn.

So eventually Havela was able to contain the spirit in the box, but the box had the evil entity inside of it, and that's why everybody was instructed not to open it, but they fucking did. Yeah, cool. So, and it had been opened multiple times at this point, so that's good. When it was first opened inside, Kevin Manis found a statue that had the word Shalom on it. Two locks of hair separately. A candlestick holder and a couple of dried rose buds. That's all of that is really creepy, weird plana. So even the innocuous items in there like, one a lot of those things I guess are like consistent

with what you would use during an exorcism. Yeah, that makes sense. So I don't know if they just like use them and then like locked them away. Ooh, so creepy. Oh my God, did you just hear that in your headphones? Yes. Wow, one of Elena's children screamed on stairs,

and I just got really scared. But it was like a happy scream. Yeah, what? And one of them just like screamed. One of them's just screaming downstairs. So back to the Dibbik box. In 2004, Sam Remy announced that he was going to make a film based off of Jason's book, titled The Dibbik box. In 2004, Sam Rainey announced that he was going to make a film based off of Jason's

book titled The Dibbik Box. So three different scripts were written. The first was by Steven Susco, who did the grudge. And then the second was written by Juliet Snowden and styles, styles white who did knowing. Have you ever seen that movie? That sounds familiar. They also did a movie called Weeja and like a bunch of other creepy movies. And then finally, Sam Rainey wrote the final script. And he's famous for doing all the Spider-Man movies and the Evil Dead. Yup. So that's kind of crazy.

That's crazy. They shot the movie in Vancouver. And even though Sam Rainey was like all set with the box being anywhere near him, some strange shit went down while they were filming. Lights that weren't even on exploded. Ooh, just straight up fucking exploded. That aren't even on either. Not even on electricity.

Nope. And all the props used in the movie, like every single prop was put in a warehouse when they were finished, and like a fire happened and burned every single prop down. And when the fire was investigated, there was no origin. No origin, they couldn't find any reason why the fire started.

What the fuck? So just like the sporadic combustion. Holy shit. Yeah, sporadic combustion. Yeah, spontaneous. Yeah, damn it. Ugh, whatever. So the movie, by the way, is called the possession

if you want to watch it. Ooh. So now we get to 2017 and we get to Zach Baggins. Oh, yeah. Zach Baggins. Uh-huh. From Ghost Adventures, he bought the box from Jason allegedly for $10,000. Holy shit.

Yeah, I don't know why you would pay that much for that. I wouldn't pay a dollar for it. So Zach brought it to his museum in Vegas, where at first he would not let anyone see it unless they were over 18 and signed a waiver saying that he wasn't responsible if anything happened while they were looking at it or after they looked at it. Oh shit, that's like Robert the doll.

Yeah, exactly. You have to sign a waiver saying that, like you can't blame them. I'm not saying, if I have to sign a waiver to see something, no, no. So in June of 2018, and this is the reason why I did this story, because I found a Buzzfeed article about this entire thing. So in June of 2018, Post Malone went to the visit, went to the museum to visit Zach,

and Zach was showing him around. And he asked Posty if he wanted to see the Dibbix boxox and postee wanted to. And so he, Zach is taking off the glass partition and he, Zach touches the box for the first time ever. And while he's doing that, post Malone touches his shoulder, like, dude, like, let's get out of here. Like, I don't feel good. Like, I don't wanna be here. And apparently, that was enough.

Like, second hand contact is enough to get cursed. What the fuck? So because Zach was touching the box and Posty touched his shoulder, he Posty got cursed. Did people call him Posty? Yeah, okay. So, no it's just me. So, oh my god, so crazy.

So after visiting the museum and getting secondhand cursed, Posty balloon got on a plane to London. And while in the air, the tires blew off of the plane. What? Yes, the pilot was able to land the plane, but normally that would have ended like a lot differently. Holy shit. Like he could have died. And then a few days later, after his plane almost crashes, three robbers who were carrying

guns broke into his old home, like looking looking for him and they pistol whipped the current owner Yeah, holy shit, but they were looking for him and like probably would have killed him Wow, and if that was not enough for you He was also in a car accident shortly after all this and somehow made it out without a scratch But it was like a bad accident and he could have been seriously hurt Wow, yeah second hand curse somehow made it out without a scratch, but it was like a bad accident and he could have been seriously hurt. Wow. And that's second hand curse. That's bananas.

And they do say that bad things happen in three. So hopefully posties in the clear. Wow. Isn't that nuts? Postie. Postie. We hope you're okay. I know you're my son, blah, blah.

I don't even know if that's him. I think it is. You are asking the wrong person. Yeah. Well, Zach Baggins attempted to open the box once before for his fans. I think it was at like a live show in 2018.

He was opening the box. Yeah. What the fuck? Because that's what they do. I don't know. Stop doing that. I know, I agree. That's just dumb.

And he was gonna do it after everything happened with Post Malone, but he ended up not being able to open it. And I guess people were like really pissed off. Cause I don't know if people like paid to go or whatever, but they were mad. But now in 2020, Zach and his team decided to quarantine at the museum and if like you've probably already seen this because they decided to open the box in July.

The episode aired as the season finale of the four part quarantine series in July where he opens the box I guess, but I refuse to watch it because even just looking at pictures of the Divick box is said to be dangerous and you could get cursed from just looking at pictures. And I already did that. So you get what you get and you don't get upset. Wow, but you know what? That one doesn't make sense though.

Cause it's like looking at pictures through the internet, like how does a, how does a Damon know? Poltergeist attaches its actual, Electromagnetic Field in a computer and fucks you up. But I don't think that makes sense, to be honest. I get the second hand curse by like touching him while he's touching the box. Yeah, I don't believe the.

Oh, okay. I mean, I'm not going to go look at pictures. But I'm just saying. I'm not going to post a picture of the actual box just because I don't want any of you getting mad at me if something happens. Yeah. So I'm just going to post something else and just tell you

that at the end of the episode. And you can go Google it. Just go click on it. We'll post a cardboard box and be like, sure it is. No, because that's making fun of it. And I'm not doing that either. Oh, okay. Sorry. So anyways, anyways, I'm not shocked that Zach decided

2020 was a good time to open the fucking box. Yeah. That it said that it's going to lead to catastrophic events. It already led to like horrible events in the 20th century. So man, 2020 has been so boring and. Yeah. Why don't you feel like you need to do that? Like it wasn't bad enough yet. No. So Zach Baggins told E on line that there are actually 10 dbc boxes in the world and that he has two of them. The one that he opened and then a smaller one. And he says, quote, each one aligns with the tree of life concept from Kabbalah, the basis for Jewish mysticism. So two of the world's Dibbik boxes are unaccounted for, I guess, and they're potentially buried somewhere so that they don't create any more chaos in the world, huh? I hope.

But Jason Hexton disagrees, and he told Tess Cutler from Tablet News, quote, there's only one Dibbik box. Any other box is a load of crap. So that's nuts. He also says that he looks at the box now as his fountain of youth because he thinks that the prayer has been answered and the hauntings are done. Wow. But I'm personally not too sure about that. It doesn't sound like it was a good time.

Nope, doesn't sound like it at all. No, nope. So that's that. That's the Dibbic box. The Dibbic box is no joke. No joke. I would not mess with it. The Dibbic box the dbc box is no joke no joke I would not mess with it the dbc box. Yeah, do not open it stop opening the fucking dbc box It sounds a lot like pantora's box. It sounds like a box with a demon in it. Yep. Don't open it

It's not it's pretty simple. Yeah, I mean, it's the all you have to do is don't that's like hey There's a venomous snake in that box don Don't open it and people are like, I'm open. No, I'm too. Don't open it. It's like you're dumb, don't. No, stop doing that. I know this episode really fucked me up. I'm like, I'll creeped out. Yeah, I don't love it. I hate it. I don't love it at all. I'm so spooked. Oh, guys. Yeah, so that's fun. If you want to look at pictures of that, you can do that on your own. Sure, Kim. But if you want to look at pictures of that you can do that on your own sure cam But if you want to follow us on Instagram you can go ahead and do that at morbid podcast you can hit us up on Twitter at a morbid podcast you can send us a Gmail morbid podcast at gmail.com And we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird

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