Morbid - Episode 186: The Mysterious Unsolved Death of Elisa Lam

Episode Date: November 13, 2020

In February 2013 the guests at The Cecil hotel started making multiple complaints to the front desk about the water in their room. Some said the tap water had a funny taste to it, others said the water pressure was basically non-existent. A maintenance worker was sent to check on the status of one of the main water tanks and made the horrifying discovery of a young woman who had been missing for three weeks: Elisa Lam. There are about four hundred thousand theories as to how Elisa ended up in the water tank so let’s dive in. Books used for this Episode: Gone at Midnight: The Tragic True Story Behind the Unsolved Internet Sensation All Thats Interesting: The Unsolved Mystery Behind the Disturbing Death of Elisa Lam As always, thank you to our sponsors: Embr: Embr wave is the first bracelet that helps you feel colder or warmer at the press of a button! Right now Embr wave is offering our listeners $50 off when you go to embrwave.com/morbid Care/of:  Care/of is a wellness brand that makes it easy to maintain your health goals with a customized vitamin plan that helps you feel your best today and supports you long-term. For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to TakeCareOf.com/morbid50 and enter code morbid50. Daily Harvest: Daily Harvest makes it easy to eat clean, undeniably delicious food, no matter what your day brings. Keep it simple with Daily Harvest! Go to DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code MORBID to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Conde Nast: For a limited time you can get 12 weeks of The New Yorker for just SIX dollars – that’s a savings of 50 percent! Plus, listeners of the show will receive an exclusive tote bag - free. Go to NewYorker.com/MORBID See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is... Morvid. It seems like we were supposed to say it together with what your eyeballs were doing to me. I don't know why I was doing the trash. I can only see one of your eyes because your pop filter is covering the other ones. The other ones.

You have many. I have that third evil eye. Well, you know, everybody has a third eye. And you're just showing because I don't know why. Because, you know, I think it's Scorpio season. I don't really know what that would have to do with your third eye because I pretend like I know everything about, I almost just said geology.

Ha ha ha ha. About astrology. But I don't know everything. Yeah, because I don't know. It's Scorpio season. All I know is that I'm a Capricorn. And that's as far as I know about astrology. You know that I'm a Gemini too.

I do know that. Just Gemini things. That's as far as my reach goes. Well, that is nothing to do with anything about this show. It doesn't, but you know what? This episode is a highly requested one. Honey, highly requested. Shut up already.

And it's one. Shut up. I'm totally kidding. It's one that many people have asked for. So many of the people. And I'm trying to think of anything else like crazy. Oh, Peter Sutliff died. Died. Today.

Died. I mean, he's been on Death's Door for a little while and we've all been crossing those fingers. How old was he? Just waiting. I know. I should look up how old he is. I feel like he must have been at least like 80 he must have been I mean in evil years

He's like 475 same. No, I'm totally kidding Peter set cliff Peter Williams set cliff Let's see how old were you? How old were you you dumb bastard? Let's play the game of looking up how old Well, how old do you think that's? Oh, he was only seven. He was only four. I love it. I like that you said only.

I mean, seven, he four's like, that's young and spry for people who aren't evil fuckers, you know? I thought you were gonna say fuck asses like in Donnie Donnie. Yeah, evil fuck ass. That's who, that's what he is. Yeah, and he did, he died in the hospital. He contracted COVID-19.

Oh, damn. So that was a rough death for that man. Yeah, a broken clock is right twice in a day and COVID got it right this time, I guess. That's really all we can say about that. He's the Yorkshire Ripper. We are gonna cover him. He's been on the list, but he's like a big baddie.

So he was, you know how we, you know. I'm like talking to people, like, you know, you know, you're acting like everyone is in the room right now. You're like, waiting for a leader. I'm like, guys, you know, no, but you know how we kind of space those out so we don't use all the big baddies in a while. You guys know the big case is, yeah, like this is a big, this, this is a big baddie, but there's no, there is a bad guy, I think, but some people think there was no bad guy. This one's just a big case. So we try to spread those ones out

so that we're not using them all up in the beginning. And so we get those little cases in there. So don't worry, Peter Sutcliffe will be covered. And now, we know all know the ending. The ending is that he does of COVID-19. So there's that. Guys, if we sound like we're a little crazy, I think it's the weather.

Yeah. It's very gloomy, which is normally like my jam, but crazy, I think it's the weather. Yeah, it's very gloomy, which is normally like my jam, but it's been gloomy for the past few days, and I think it's really affecting us. It's like gloomy weather. Everybody's like all of a sudden in the holiday spirit, which I've suddenly like embraced. Oh, I don't know if anybody, if you follow me on Instagram, add Ash, Kalei D3, I think, my hate Instagram. I love Instagram. I like Twitter better. Bring me back to Twitter. But I was I was dancing around my house decorating the other day and my whole apartment, I like that I call it a house,

is decked out for Christmas. It's I feel like it's that this year of all years, we can all get into the holiday spirit a little early. It's the holidays. Give me some twinkle lights, you know? Yeah, give me some hot chocolate. I'm into it. I want to make that hot chocolate that is like,

you mash the balls together. That you mash the balls together. I know which one you're gonna use. Exactly what I need. I just wanted to be like as, that you mash the two testicles. Yes, because there are two of them. There are two.

I mash those two testes together and put them in your hot chocolate. I think it's, yeah, it's all that. And it's also, you know, morbid recipe. It's just a day. We're homeschooling, we're doing all the things. So I think we can just get into it, because I don't think there's really,

but side's Peter Sutcliffe dying. Not a lot of it, it's just. It's not a lot of true crime news happening right now. So, no. I think we can just kind of jump right into it, and we don't have anything to announce at this second not at this moment maybe next week. I don't know. Well, all right, so we're gonna go back to which actually like it doesn't seem that long ago, but if you think about it right now it's 2020 just a little math lesson here.

I'm sure it is. And this happened in 2013. So I guess it was a pretty good long while ago. I know it feels like it wasn't. Is that eight years or in my dumb? Yeah, it's seven years. No, it's seven years. Okay, so I was close. So it's not crazy long ago. No, actually, it's not. I was a less time than John and I have been together. I was in high school when this happened, so that's a weird thing.

I hate that so much. And you know what's weird? Is I don't remember this case happening. Like when I was in high school, I don't remember hearing about it. Really? I think it wasn't until I got like super into true crime. Hmm.

That I knew about it. Look at that. And like start listening to podcast, because this is a huge case in the true crime world. It sure is. And what case is it? It's the case of Alisa Lam. Alisa Lam.

A weird finally covering. What happened to you sister? I don't know. I just don't know. I'm gonna start this off by telling you I don't know what the fuck happened. Nobody knows. No. You don't know. We don't know. I just don't know. I'm gonna start this off by telling you about I don't know what the fuck happened. Nobody knows. No.

You don't know. We don't know. Nobody knows. Someday, when a person who knows is Alisa Lam, I know. And you know what, we're like really off on the tangent right now. But I just want to say, but I just want to say, it's so funny because a lot of times people will ask me like,

oh, what's one case that you would know, like you would want to find out the answer to. And I always say Jean-Bene, but do you know what? Yeah, I'm actually changing my answer to release the lamp. Look at that. I need to know what happened. Now we have different answers. Because you know what I kinda think I know

what happened to Jean-Bene? I mean, I do do. And this one is like, I don't know. I think we all know what happened to Jean-Bene. Don't sue me, bye. So anyways, February 2013, the guests at the CISO hotel started making a lot of complaints to the front desk about the water in their room.

Ooh. Gross. So Sun said that the tap water had like a funny taste to it. Never a good thing. Tasted a little bit like death. Other people said that the water pressure was like non-existent and they were like, yo, I'm trying to take a spa shower. So can you fix that?

A spa shower in the Cecil hotel? Yeah, and don't be trying to do that. Don't do that. And don't even go there. And some people complained that it was black when they first turned it on. And it would clear up, but people were kind of concerned about that.

You know what, I'm glad that people were concerned, because if people were just like, well, well, you know, just let it run for a minute. Just, yeah, let the black run out. Don't do that. So let's be real. The Cecil Hotel was never exactly a five star hotel. It wasn't.

It was intended to be, but that didn't really happen. So the Cecil was built in 1924 by this man named William Banks, Hannah. And he spent a million dollars on this project. All right. So sad that he put a million dollars into this because honestly, he thought that it was gonna be the perfect place for businessmen traveling,

for work, and he really wanted this place to be for like the upper echelon of the time. Of course, you never want to build your hotel for Richard Remyar's. No, that's not exactly the end goal, most of the time. I don't think that's what people who build motels are into. Yeah, there you go. The Rose, what did I forget what they named it in Chitris.

And if you're like, H.A. Toms, then you build a hotel for a different reason, but... But even, you're not building it for the lower echelon, even then. You're not building it for murder. You are. You got the upper echelons of society. So, you know what? Unfortunately, two years after the hotel opened, the Great Depression hit. Oh, that little thing?

Huge bummer. And that depression was pretty bleak. It's a pretty big speed bump. I don't know if you know about it, but look into it. Ever heard of it? Bleak as hell. Yeah. Now, the whole area around the hotel was surrounded by people who had fallen victim to

the Depression. They had lost their homes. Some people were struggling with addiction and didn't really have any place to go. And if you're from the US, you've probably heard of Skid Row and that is the neighborhood where the sea sill stands today. So it's not exactly a great neighborhood and that's all I'm gonna say about that. Yeah.

So the sea sill was not able to charge high rates for rooms anymore because of its location. Yeah. Nobody was gonna pay a lot of money. It's a little bit of a dangerous area. Of course. And so a lot of the hotels guests weren't exactly the crem d'il a crem anymore. No, no. And I mean, like you said, we're talking about Richard Vermeer's, the night stalker, see episode 14. I looked it up for you. There you go. I'm going to say this wrong and I also just made a gross mouth noise. Is it're gonna be over it. Is it gonna be a bigger? Yeah. Yeah.

Say it again. Oontaveger. Oh, it's veger. I think it's that. Okay. So Jack Oontaveger and another serial killer, that's who he was, and he stayed at the Cecil just because Richard Ramirez did. That's so much.

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That makes sense. You know, she didn't know she was pregnant, had the baby in the bathroom and she actually thought the baby was not alive and I don't know if she just didn't want to tell her man's that she had just had a baby in the bathroom. So that's what she did. Oh man, what a situation that is. Yes, it truly is. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed. What would you do? I'm Whit Missildine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life-changing events,

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an America's criminal justice system. Follow American scandal wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder App. So really what I'm getting at here is that the Cecil just really has a straight up air of tragedy and sadness around it. It has an aura. It does. I mean countless people have committed suicide by jumping out of the higher-story windows. One woman actually killed a pedestrian because she herself was jumping from the window and landed on him. Wow. Yes. And there were, there was something like 16 suicides in total

or like more than 16. So yeah, it's sad there. Yeah, it's, it's a sad place. And if you didn't know, it was the inspiration for American Horror Story Hotel. Yeah. I don't know if there's any vampires, but. Which is a great season. I know, I actually want to watch that now. So the sea sills gone through all that. And now this, the black fowel tasting water, that doesn't necessarily have an explanation yet.

Seems like it's on the correct trajectory. It is, yes. So they were like, we should probably look into that. And they sent a maintenance worker to the top floor Now his name was Santiago Lopez He took the elevator to the 15th floor of the hotel Then he walked up another staircase He disarmed the alarm that would have sounded throughout the top floors and alerted the front desk if someone who like wasn't supposed to be up there was lurking

Oh, and then he had to climb up onto another platform where the water tanks were. So he had to take the elevator up to the 15th floor, climb up some stairs, disarm the thing, then climb up another platform to get to these towers. All right, so not easy. So a truck. Then he had to grab a lighter.

Then he had to grab a lighter. He had to grab a lighter. Grab your lighter, guys. And your lighter. He had to get a lighter, grab a lighter, grab your lighter, go and your lighter, he had to get a lighter and to get to the top of the tank to like check out what was going on. So that tank, that specific tank provided water, not just to the guest rooms, but also to the kitchen and a coffee shop.

I don't think this is gonna end well for them. Nope, definitely not. So he moves the lid. And now I've seen a lot of different versions about this story. We're gonna see that there's many different versions of like minor details that become bigger details. A little bit. Like a game of telephone.

It is. So in some versions, the lid of the water tank was completely shut, like completely shut, sealed, signed seal delivered. And it was heavy, right? So that's another detail that I'm gonna get into later. It might not have been as heavy as you think. Oh, okay. So like I said, it could have been completely shut,

but others argue that it was slightly like open. Okay. So I don't know, I wasn't there, I don't know. You weren't there? No, luckily. Then why are you speaking on it? You know, it's like, come on, Ash, shut the fuck up. So he peers in and unfortunately, he sees the body of a young woman and this woman had been

missing for three weeks. Oh, in a water tank. So I forgot that little detail. Yeah. Okay. So that woman was Alisa Lam. Now she was born in Canada in 1991 to her parents David and I think it's Yena. Yena, I'm gonna say Yena. Yena Lamb, who were immigrants from Hong Kong. Just a little fun fact, her Cantonese name was Lamb Ho Yee. So that just a little swan gocks. Yeah. Now in 2013 she was 21 and she decided that she needed a break from school. She was going to the University of British Columbia, although I did read in one source that she actually wasn't a registered student around the time of her death. Oh, that's interesting. So some people say she was going there, other people say that maybe she

had unregistered from school, and that's kind of like what was going on here. All right. Again, I wasn't there. I don't work at British Columbia University, so I don't know. But anyway, she had recently been struggling with her mental health and she was trying to navigate her bipolar disorder, which was a recent diagnosis. Okay. And she was having a pretty hard time. Yeah, so she was, so because it was recent, she didn't have it like totally under control. Yeah, and honestly, I think she didn't really understand exactly what was happening. Her family didn't really understand like how to treat this, you know, it must be scary. It is, and she was really just in need of a getaway.

So she decided that she was gonna go to America and she wanted to travel the West Coast. Okay. So that's all well and fine, but she wanted to do it by herself. All right. Not necessarily a great idea if you ask me. I know that you didn't, but I know you didn't.

Also, you should have come to the East Coast. I know, like, come on, Alisa. The superior coast. It is the best coast. We're starting like an East Coast, West Coast war again. It's right we are. So she was calling this her West Coast tour, which I think is really cute.

And she was excited, like I said, she needed to hit the reset button. And her parents felt the complete opposite of excitement because they were really nervous about her traveling by herself. For a few reasons. One was that they knew what was going on with her. And number two, it's like you're going

to a totally different country. I mean, Canada and the US are at like right on top of each other, but still, she's alone and she's 21. Yeah, it's far away. And they're her parents, you know what I mean? So they were like, okay, whatever. But they knew that they couldn't stop her.

And they knew that she had been struggling and they were hopeful kind of in the same way that she was about hitting a refresh. They were like, maybe this will be good for her. So we'll let her do it, because we don't really have another choice. Oh, I feel so bad for them. I know.

And she assured them that she was gonna call every day and check in, let them know what she was up to, where she was, blah, blah, and she kept her word. Like, she was really good with calling them every day and letting them know where she was. So she started her trip off January 22nd, and she first checked out San Diego. She had plans to go to San Francisco, LA, and Santa Cruz. Now, she called her parents, like I said, every single day to check in. And she was also super into blogging. And she was updating her Tumblr and her blog spot page. Do you fucking remember blog?

I didn't know that. Yeah. Yes. Her blog spot page was named Ether Fields. Ether Fields. Ether Field. Ether Fields. Along the way.

Now, she had her whole trip outlined on her Tumblr page. So already I personally feel like that might be a little bit of red flag here. Yeah, it's no good. Never do that. No, don't share your plans with everybody. And she actually got nervous about that at one point. Like she was like, fuck, maybe I shouldn't have done that. Yeah.

Share it with those closest to you. Right. Don't share it with anyone else. And especially on Tumblr, she was finding mental health support with other users. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's like a community. Exactly. It's like you find your people.

Right, exactly. That's what you can talk about things, you can get advice. And it's other people have like the same thing going on. It's relatable. Yeah, absolutely. You need it. And at the time Tumblr was like, so hot right now. I was like, not in the age of Tumblr. Like I mean, you need it. And at the time, Tumblr was like, so hot right now. I was like, not in the age of Tumblr.

Like I was a lot of it. I was blogspot. And then you like, but you like really outdated, like blogspot, even quickly, I feel like I did. I was barely in blogspot, but, but Tumblr was like, what the, what the kids, what the youths were doing. Now I'm telling you, I fucking loved Tumblr. Oh yeah, and the fuck is hard with Tumblr. I fucked real hard with Tumblr. And I still telling you, I fucking loved Tumblr. Oh yeah, and I fucked hard with Tumblr. I fucked real hard with Tumblr, and I still fucks a little bit with Tumblr. Really?

I do sometimes. Look at that. So yeah, you know. I don't understand Tumblr. I'm just gonna come right out and say it. I want to. I feel like it's just one of those things that like, it's like Instagram, like, then count me out.

It's just like one of those social media pages that you come to like understand us do it. That's a thing. That makes sense. So I actually went to see if there was anything on her Tumblr page, because the page itself still exists, but there's not any content. So you can't see anything that she posted, which is frustrating. Oh, that's annoying. Yeah. There's the title of her Tumblr blog page, and's called Nouvelle Navu.

I think? Nouveau? Maybe. I don't really know what that means. And there's also a quote that says, and this is like super eerie. You're always haunted by the idea that you're wasting your life.

Wow. Isn't that like, it's just very eerie for what happened? What happened? Dark. And also, she was in a little bit of a dark place. And it's also like, it makes you think. All of a sudden, I'm just like, oh shit,

everybody is haunted by that idea. Yeah. Because even when you're doing a ton, you're like, am I wasting some part of it? Like, am I doing enough? And I can do. Yeah. Oh, I know.

Tumblr gets real deep. Oh, I don't like that. Real deep real dark. I don't want to start thinking about that. I think that's why I liked it so much when I was younger, because I was like, so into me. Because you were so into me. So into me. So into me. So into me. So into me. So into me. I think that's why I liked it so much when I was younger because I was so adept and so angst.

No, angst. I am an emo girl. So, anyways, so let's get back to Alisa. She checked into the Cecil on January 26th and she was supposed to stay in a hostel like room because she was trying to stretch her money out throughout the trip and it was cheaper to stay in a hostel room. Now the hotel actually moved her to a room of her own, though, after her roommates complained of odd behavior.

Oh. Now, I couldn't find anything else about that, like what specific instance or anything like that, just that there was odd behavior and they wanted her to be in her own room. Wow. Even that, I feel like considering what happened her creeps me out.

Yeah. Like, they wanted to isolate her almost. Yeah, it's just that's strange. Yeah, I feel like considering what happened to her creeps me out. Yeah. Like they wanted to isolate her almost. Yeah, it's just that's that's strange. Yeah, I don't know. Like I can get it if she's like if you don't know what's going on and she's acting a little strange, you could be like, okay, I really don't want her sleeping next to me. Right. Because you don't know her.

Right. But these people in the hospital don't know her. They don't know her medical background. They don't know anything. No. So I can get why they would be like, okay, maybe stop. Yeah. But then when you look at it on the other side,

you're like, or it can be very ominous. Or did the hotel like do something? And either way, she was isolated from those people. Exactly. Now, she was due to check out of the hotel on January 31st, and that meant she was going to be calling her family to tell them what her stay was like and what her next move was.

But she never made that call. E. That call never came. And since she had been so consistent with her calls, I was like, and what her next move was, but she never made that call. Eee. That call never came. And since she had been so consistent with her calls, like I said, her family was immediately left with this like ominous, jar core feeling. They're like, immediately they knew something was wrong. Absolutely.

So they contacted the LAPD and they explained the situation while getting ready to head to the US themselves. They were like, we're heading out there. Like, good for them. Yeah, they were great. And they were, so the police went out to the sea cell and they were able to search around the public areas of the hotel, but they couldn't get a search warrant for any private rooms. Ooh.

Which like kind of sucks. And I think there's something like 700 rooms in the sea cell. Oh wow. A lot of rooms. Wow. A lot of places that some things in a store could be happening. Absolutely. It kind of reminds me of the Kanika Jenkins case. Yeah, it's just like a lot of dark places that

dark shit can happen. Heidi Holes. Yeah. So out of prying eyes of people who actually give shit. Exactly. So they searched and they searched. They even went up to the roof to look around with search dogs, but they didn't find anything. Can you imagine knowing later that you were walking right next to her tank? Yeah, and but she stayed there for like three more weeks. It's awful. Now her parents ended up coming to the West Coast and hopes to find her. And they were, because they're so worried, but obviously we know that that wasn't going to happen. So the hotel employees remember seeing her

around the hotel on the day that she disappeared. And one of the last people to see Alisa was this woman named Katie Orphan. Now Katie Orphan worked in a bookstore right by the hotel. Ironically, the bookstore's name is the last bookstore. Wow. There is so many weird, ironic, like little details in this.

Just like the universe being like, ha ha. Yeah, like something about this case is just supernatural. It's just dark. It is. It's dark. It is. Now, Katie said that Alisa was happy and she talked with her about the books and the music that she bought from the store.

She was telling her, like, some of these purchases are for, like, so and so back home and so it seemed like she had plans to go back home. Yeah. Now the hotel also and you guys are gonna go you're like gonna wild out. They found the footage of Alisa and the elevator on the day she went missing and they released it to the public in hopes to maybe somebody recognized her or I saw that girl here like they thought it was gonna bring her home. But it only added so much more confusion to this case. That video is wild. It's insane. I watched it probably like four times in the past two days. Yeah. And I can see it right now in my brain.

I can too. No, I really want you guys to all go watch it because it's... I'm gonna describe it, but you have to see it for yourself to get the full. Yeah. Like experience. Because it looks fake. It does look like somebody acting. It does look like somebody acting. It does look like somebody acting, and that is a theory.

Oh, really? I don't even know that. There's also a wild theory. Look at me that I didn't put in here, but I'll actually say it at the end, because it's nuts. OK, so this is what happens in the video. Alisa walks into the elevator.

And in my opinion, she doesn't seem like her eater frantic when she first gets in the elevator. She crouches down to press a button. Then she moves to the back corner of the elevator, then she quickly pokes her head out looking into the hallway and really quickly yanks her head back in and all of a sudden she, like, the mood changes. Like she's hiding. Yeah. Now, when she yanks her head back in, she presses her back against the wall.

And to me, that says, like, I'm freaked out. Like, I want to be protected by this wall. Yeah. Then she scoots into the corner, the back corner, like she's hiding. Like you just said, it's like the front corner next to the back corner first. So that if somebody was to look in, they wouldn't see her necessarily. Because she then she moves to the back corner at one point. So first, she moves into the the front corner. You're right. And it almost looks like she's trying to make herself small. Like she's really trying to stay out of someone's eye line. Yeah. Then she moves into the opening of the elevator

and she looks around again. And then she steps completely out of the elevator. Then she steps to the side, still out of the elevator. Then she steps back in, and then she steps back out and moves again to the side. And then she gets back in and she she steps back out and moves again to the side. And then she gets back in and she presses a ton of buttons all of a sudden. And you're like, what the fuck? And also, mind you, the elevator door never closes throughout this. That one little detail, I was like, all right,

if you've ever been an elevator, you know that if you move like in like a minute, all of a sudden the door's slamming shut on you and you freaked out that you're gonna get chopped in half. Literally. And also the entire time she was standing halfway and in halfway out I was like, get in or out because I'm stressed out that this is gonna get crushed. You're gonna get crushed? Exactly.

And I actually got chills when I said that the door doesn't close. It doesn't. It never closes. It never even makes an attempt. And somebody I read and I was like going through reddit threads which like it's obviously not always the truth, but somebody was saying you can find some gems in there. You really can. And I did. Because some people were saying that the elevator might have been

in service mode. And like then you would have to hold down the button for the door to close. Oh, I didn't even think about that. And she worked glasses. So some people were pointing out like maybe she couldn't see the buttons and she was panicked and just like trying to because she did like crouch very close to it to press it initially. You could see she's like crouches down right in front of it. Yeah. Presses it really close to the button. Exactly. So I don't know. So again, she like I said she comes in and she presses a ton of the buttons and then she steps back out of the elevator and as she does this she like puts her hair behind her ears with both hands which to me points to some kind of like elevator. And as she does this, she puts her hair behind her ears with both hands, which to me points to some kind of like anxiety.

I don't know why, but it points to like, okay, we're gonna do something like I got this. Like an anxious tick. Yeah, it is. Something somebody does when they're feeling some type of way. Yeah, exactly. And then she walks back out, like I said, so she tucks her hair behind her ears like she's walking out, and then she's outside of the elevator,

and she starts making super weird hand gestures. And some people point to the fact that it looks like her wrists are broken, but I'm doing it with my wrist right now. Oh yeah. I could definitely make my wrist like double-treated or something, but her arms are crossed, and she's maneuvering her hands all around.

And she's kind of waving them. It's like an interpretive dance of some sort. It really is. It's very strange. It's weird. And then, like I said, she's bending her wrists and crossing her arms. And as she does this, she slightly bends at her knees.

Yeah, you're right. She looks very uncomfortable. And it almost looks like someone is doing something to her, but you don't see anyone. Oh, yeah, you're right. And it's weird. Like, if you were to superimpose someone tying something around her wrist, that's exactly what it would make sense. You would believe it. Right. Like, I could Photoshop someone in there and you'd be like, Oh, yeah, that's real. Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like to me. So she's like phantom chairing it at one point. Yeah, she literally is. Like, it's like, she's doing a wall sit, but there's no wall. Or, she's like phantom chairing it at one point. Yeah, she literally is.

Like, it's like she's doing a wall sit, but there's no wall. Or that she's almost like making some kind of signal to someone or like, yeah, I don't know. It's just, it's very, to me personally, I think, and a lot of people think this, that the footage is edited. Yeah.

Because there's also, I didn't actually look at the timestamps, but I guess there's little missing clips. Oh, really? Yeah. And a lot of people say that maybe the hotel was like covering one of their own. Oh, so I don't know. All right. Now, like I said, everyone who's seen the footage

has a theory of their own. And I don't know which one to side with because they're all like really scary, but all of them make sense in some way. If you look at them a certain way. Mm-hmm. No, I'm ready. Like I said, we're gonna get into the theories at the end,

but after watching the video, the public was super concerned for her well-being, no matter what theory they thought it was. Yeah. So that brings us back to the discovery of her body in the water tank, and her body was discovered February 19th. Now, the water tank that she was found in

was eight feet tall and four inch, excuse me, four feet around. Oh yeah, if you see a photo of it from the top, like a drone footage, you're like, what? Like how the fuck did she get up there? How? Now she got up there with a ladder, but it's just like, it's just so strange. Like why exactly?

And especially if she did it alone, it's like very strange. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. And how would you even know that that was up there? Right, you know, and now you could get into them. Right, and like, I don't know. So to get her body out of this water tower, they actually had to drain it completely, and then they had to cut it open from the side.

Because nobody else was gonna dive in there. It's like, no, thank you. Contaminated at this point. So, oh my goodness. Now, having being submerged in water for the past three weeks, at least his body was really badly decomposed. Yes, as evidenced by the water.

Yes. Now, some sources say, no, this is so weird because it's another thing of like, what's the truth? Like, why is there so much? Yeah. Like, why is there so much debate over this? It's a shadiness. Right, because some people say that she was found naked. And then other

people say that she was found in the outfit that you see her in in the elevator. Ah. So it's like why? Yeah. Why is like why isn't it written down somewhere? What she actually was dressed or not dressed it? It would be written down somewhere. Like on the official reports, it's got to be there. The official reports we're going to get into those two. I know. Because I was going to say where the hell are those? I don't know. So there's also many sources that claim her body was covered in this unidentifiable sandy textured like particle, like all over her. Like there was many, many particles. Wow. And then I have also seen sources that she had black hairs covering her body. Hmm., I don't know if that's just like something that was on a reddit thread and made it in

its way to like a couple articles. I don't know. So there's lots of questions and mysteries surrounding the case, like I said. And some of the main questions are, how did she get up onto the roof in the first place? Like we were just saying. And because I mentioned earlier, there was an alarm. I was going to say you have to disarm it. You have to disarm the alarm, or it's going to alert the front desk and the top two floors of the hotel.

Like it would have been like sounded like a fire alarm. Yes. So that didn't happen, obviously, which is strange. And then when the LAPD brought the search dogs in there, there was actually a scent picked up, believed to be Alisa's, that led out to the fire escape. So some people say she climbed the fire escape up to the roof. Damn. That's how she ended up there. But it's also like, wouldn't somebody like the Cecil's in a busy area of town,

somebody would have seen her doing this. Wow. And again, how would she know that it was even there in the first place? Yeah. So it's weird. I don't know. Now there's also the question of how did she climb up to the opening of the tank and move the heavy lid to get inside and then close it from the inside of the tower? Which I'm sure like there's probably space between where you enter in the water. Right. So it's not like she's like right up to the thing. Exactly. She wouldn't be able to reach it.

Exactly. Because there's nothing to hang on to in there, you know? I know a lot of things in many ways. Who knows, but that just seems so weird. Now there's also like you were saying it would have been a heavy lid, right? Yeah. So there's a lot of discrepancies

about how heavy the lid is. And I couldn't find one source that was like, and we went there and tested it, and it's this much weight. Here, it weighs this much. I'll judge later, regarded it as 20 pounds. That's what I've heard. That's the one I heard the most.

20 pounds is like what's mostly seen around. Yeah. Now, that's not that heavy, but if you think about the position that she would have been in, that's really heavy, especially. Yeah. Yeah.

To raise your hands above your head, I would think, and like, like, hoist yourself up, and then move it. Like, that's a heavy, especially to raise your hands above your head, I would think, and like, like, hoist yourself up and then move it. Like, that's a weird position. Well, if she, if it was indeed closed, like they say, that doesn't make sense. Right. She can't stand in water. Right. It's too, like, that is too, it just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. She wouldn't be able to reach it at all. No. No, like it's literally impossible. That's what I would think. So, I don't know. It doesn't make any sense.

And then the, like, was it slightly open when she, when she was discovered or was it closed? It's like, what's the story? Because I guess if it was slightly open, you could argue that she slipped through and then never closed it. That would be the only way. Because literally it's impossible to close that.

But most of the time when you read the story it says that the lid was closed. Like nine out of 10 times that's the story. Because why would it be halfway open? Right. That's the other thing. And I feel like they would have found like a bunch more shit in there if it was halfway open.

It had been open for three weeks. You're in downtown Los Angeles. Right. Like downtown Hollywood. Yeah. You're not leaving a Angeles. Right. Actually like downtown Hollywood. Yeah. You're not leaving a water tank supply open for that fucking air. Right.

That would contaminate the shit out of that water. Exactly. Like the whole point of that thing is to keep it not contaminated. Like that's actually the entire point. So they would leave that open. Unless they're like super negligent. Negligent. They did.

And they are super negligent. So. That's like wow. Right. And just for like reference, she was five four and she was pretty petite. But I don't know, I guess she could have been strong. I just thought it was good to throw in their hotel. I mean, you can be strong, but it's just like, it's just. Physicians wise, it doesn't make sense. Right. Now, we're going to talk about the autopsy because the autopsy itself led to even more questions. So which that's actually the opposite of what that's supposed to

do, I think. Yeah, autopsy is supposed to provide answers. Yeah, you can confirm really what you're going for. So I can confirm that. Her death was attributed an accidental, excuse me, was ruled an accidental drowning with bipolar disorder considered to be a contributing factor. Okay. So the bipolar disorder contribution came from the idea that she was experiencing some kind of psychosis due to her bipolar and like had some kind of break and ended up in the water tower. Okay. Now some people, not all, but some people who suffer from bipolar disorder experience delusions and hallucinations. So, like I said, the thought was that she may have been in a hallucinative state that

led her to the water tower and led her to accidentally drown. Okay. So, that's what that is. Now, some people argue it was clear that she was in a hallucinative state after watching the elevator footage. You can definitely argue that. Definitely. But like I said, some people think watching the elevator footage. You can definitely argue that. Definitely. For sure.

But like I said, some people think that the elevator footage was edited and somebody was not in the footage. So that kind of like, that might have been the reason why it was edited to make her look like she loves hallucinating. She loves hallucinating. Yeah. Because maybe somebody knew that she had bipolar disorder and knew that that was kind of a symptom or something that somebody experiences.

Yeah, for sure. And they used it for their gain. Ooh. It's weird, I don't know. No, and also, some people point out that the elevator footage is really pixelated. I personally think that's just because it's fucking elevator surveillance.

Yeah, it's CCTV footage. Right, but some people are like, it's really pixelated and like you can't see what she's saying. Which is true. Yeah, but I don't think that's fucking elevator surveillance. Yeah, it's CCTV footage. Right, but some people are like, it's really pixelated and like, you can't see what she's saying. Which is true. Yeah, but I don't think you can really make out what people are saying most of the time. Usually security.

Now, the autopsy reports also showed that she might not have been taking her medication properly. I wondered that. Mm-hmm. So she took one of her antidepressants the day she died, but not her second antidepressant she was on two, and she did not take her antipsychotic.

So many sources point out that not taking an antipsychotic and but taking your antipressant can have really dangerous side effects and actually lead to a very high risk of experiencing mania or hallucination. That makes sense. Yeah, especially just cutting it off like that if she just didn't take it. Right. of experiencing mania or hallucination. That makes sense. And especially just cutting it off like that, if she just didn't take it. Like, right.

Right. Exactly. Now, the other thing though is I know like people take medicines at different times of the day. So I guess that could be a possible explanation. Like that's true. Maybe she had a different schedule going. Right, I don't know.

But according to some sources, she's believed to have died around midnight. So it's like, you would have taken all your medicine. Unless you were being kept somewhere where you weren't needed to go back to your medicine. Yeah. Just saying, the autopsy states that there's no foul play, which I don't know how you can say that

when they weren't able to complete a full autopsy because of how badly decomposed she was. I guess they can just say it because technically, she drowned. There's no evidence of anything else and they can't really speculate. That's true. But they also, if they did do a rape kit,

they never recorded the report of what came up. Honestly, three weeks in a water, you're not gonna get much from a rape camp. I actually, I wrote in my notes, maybe the decompt factor. Yeah, three weeks in the water, I don't think you're gonna see a whole lot. I literally haven't bolded notes,

Alaina, way in the back. Oh, way in the back. And also, they didn't test the fingernail kit, but I, again, maybe the water. It could have been tough, I don't know, I don't know. It seems like, I mean, three weeks of that water tank is, but you would think that you'd write that, like, not announced because of Decomp. I don't know if it's just like, they assume it's just kind of like a given.

Yeah. And also, I mean, it was, again, in California and like the hot sun up there, it's like that tank was really cooking. Yeah, yikes. So her parents actually filed a wrongful death suit against the CISO hotel, which is now called the stay on main. A lot of people think that they changed their name because of what happened in 2013 to Alisa,

but that's actually not true. A lot of sources show that it took place. Excuse me, the name changed took place in 2011. Oh, okay. So that's not true. Oh, no, true. But anyway, back to the wrongful death suit. They stated that negligence on behalf of the hotel led to Alisa's death.

The defense argued that there was no surveillance on the roof because there wasn't. Yeah. Which is weird. And then there was no evidence to suggest that that alarm was even working. They're like, yeah, it's there, but is it working? And I guess they never like found out. Oh, shit. But the prosecution argued that Alisa herself was negligent and so was the family, which

I'm like, you might want to choose your words differently. Yeah, you might not want to go after some of these dead daughters. Yeah, that's fucked. But okay. Now, the suit was actually dismissed because the judge stated that what happened was an unforeseeable tragedy and that the area where it happened was off limits to guests anyway. So now let's get to the theories.

Because that's the wild part of this case. It's a private but a here. It's all wild. So the first theory is obviously that she was murdered, but there's a lot of sub theories as to who murdered her. Oh, okay. So the most obvious person would be someone who worked at the hotel.

They would have been able to disarm the alarm and they would have known where the water tanks were. Because like you were saying, how would she even know that they were up there? True. Maybe she didn't, but somebody that works there knows that there's water tanks. For sure.

Now, like I said, there's also the edited surveillance footage. And I said it earlier, some people believe that the hotel might have messed with the footage to protect one of their own. Okay, so I don't know. And Alisa had written posts on Tumblr while she was staying at the hotel about people bothering her, like following her, and she referred to them as creepers, and she implied that she might be being followed. Oh, so in terms like if you watch the footage, it seems like she's somebody who feels like she's being followed. Oh, yeah

She seems very paranoid. Exactly. The creepy thing about her tumbler page too. This is gonna give you like It kept updating after she passed away What and her phone was never found. They never found her phone But her tumbler kept updating itself. What the fuck? Now, that's huge. That's huge, but it can also be debunked. So I read in one source that she had lost it at a speak-easy that she went to, so some people claim maybe somebody found her phone and decided to take over her tumbler.

That doesn't seem very straight-insure. There's also whoever her killer might have been, like took it and decided to keep updating her Tumblr. But that doesn't really seem likely to me. But a lot of people point to the option that Tumblr provides users to queue up their posts ahead of time. Oh, okay. So I never did that, but I wasn't like super into keeping my blog. Like I didn't have a lot of followers, so I got nobody to impress. But she was really into Tumblr.

So maybe she didn't have it. She had them set up. Yeah. Either way, it's fucking weird. Either way, it's weird. Right. When something like that happens in the person's dead, it's like super creepy. I wish Tumblr could weigh in.

I know. I could say like they should be able to see and be like, yeah, she had scheduled posts. I know. That's actually a good point. They should be able to like, what the fuck Tumblr? Come on Tumblr. Hey Tumblr, are you listening? What the fuck?

What the fuck, why don't you solve one of the greatest mysteries in True Crime for us right now? Yeah, please. Yeah, Tumblr. Excuse me, hello? Do it. That'd be awesome.

Tumblr like DMs us. And we're like, we'd love a few with sponsor us and also get off our backs about this case. Got the hell up. Now, there's a lot of like, far-fetched theories about other possible murders. But I feel like at this point of doing more bit, a lot of like far-fetched theories about other possible murders, but I feel like at this point of doing more bit, nothing is like as far-fetched as I thought.

No. So there's people who think that the LAPD was involved, which that's not far-fetched. Where's the far-fetched? I know. And they think that it was some kind of snuff film that she fell victim to. Oh.

But I feel like if that was the case, like somebody would have leaked the video by now. Do you think or do you not think? I mean, if it's involving, you know, the LAPD, I don't, I can't really. Like, no, that's almost sad. I'm just like, I know. I know, because we talked about the LAPD.

I can't really like, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I just don't, I don't really put a lot past members of the LAPD. No, at some people we know, at ex-boyfriend. But no, because the other thing is like, we said they went out there and they searched the hotel and they were on the roof

Yeah, like I don't I don't know if you would think to I mean you're a police officer You would think to look everywhere. Why didn't they look in the water? You would think to be like hey, what are these big tanks with the ladder? Yeah, like somebody could have put like put a body in there I mean I would see a life. I would think it but the LAPD might not I know like they're trained It's like to think that way they're trained to think that way. They're trained to do a lot of things. That's very true. So anyways, let's get away from that before we get sued.

There's also people who think that witches or Satanists are to blame. Oh, I don't want to believe that. Oh, the witches. So I also love how you find witches and Satanists together. Like it's like, it's the witcher thing. They're all in the Satanist. They're all hanging out.

They worship two completely different things. And in Satan's together. Like it's like, it's the witcher thing. They're all in the Satan's. It's like hanging out. They worship two completely different things. And in two different ways. And in two very different ways. It's too very too. But okay, so that's cool. But yeah, they have coffee sometimes. Yeah, exactly. They like it black.

But that theory comes from the fact that she was believed to have been murdered on January 31st. And the next day is considered a holiday to witches. Because February 1st is called Imbulk or Bridgid's Day, which is a gala holiday. Oh, and it's recognizing the beginning of spring. Yeah, now it sounds wonderful. That's the thing. It sounds like beautiful. Yeah, but for one reason or another people got it in their heads that a human sacrifice is necessary the night before spring. I think they're just like cool, spring's coming, flowers.

Yeah, earth. Exactly. Now this theory is also supported by people who claimed that Alistair Crowley wrote a poem about Elisa, but he would have written it before she was even born, so that doesn't really make a lot of sense. Yeah, that seems legit. The poem is fucking weird and it does correlate.

It kind of checks out a little. It does check out a little. And I think he was into magic. So maybe he knew that she's gonna exist. I don't know. I don't know. The theory's got weird in my brain. I was afraid I just told you.

I feel like a conspiracy theorist right now. Yeah, you gotta be for a minute. I know, right? So I'm gonna read the poem to you. Yeah, I was gonna say, please read me that poem. So let my lamp, lamp, puh. At midnight, at midnight hour. I'm not gonna worry about that one. No, I at midnight at midnight hour.

I'm not going to worry about that one. No, I know. At midnight hour, a bin scene and some highly tower. Okay, water tower. Where I may outwatch the bear, the spirit of Plato to unfold what worlds or vast regions hold the immortal mind that hath forsook her mansion in the fleshy nook. I'm going to go ahead and debunk that one. that half-for-so-cur-manchin in the fleshy nook.

I'm gonna go ahead and debunk that one. Not one thing if that makes any sense to this case. I don't think so either. Now, I wrote, but what does it all mean? That's what I wrote. You would have to do, like, Olympic mental gymnastics to make that work. And so I did. So I did it.

I'm just, like, looking up on other people's side about it. The other... The mental gymnastics Olympians. There you go. So the first line is about being alone and being seen in a highly tower is creepy because the water tower Yeah, and then her mansion in the Flushing Nook Some people say that she was found naked and that water tower is a nook So it's a Flushing Nook now. It's a lot. I don't know guys No, yeah, it's it's wrong, but it was worth putting in's a lot, I don't know. Guys, no. Yeah, it's wrong.

But it was worth putting in here. Can't get there. Yeah, but here is another weird thing though. I'm ready. It's like not that weird if you really think about it. And I feel like you just ruined it. So I hit my mind as too logical. And it's way too logical.

And I'm like full of whimsy. So I'm like maybe I'll certainly knew what the fuck was up with this. That poem I liked, I didn't believe, but this is weird. He founded, it's like a religion or like a physiological way of thinking, I think I said the wrong word, but it's called Thalima, Thalana, I don't know. And it revolves around a demon named Lamb.

Okay, yeah, so I knew you were working on really thinking about that. I mean, because there's also like millions of lambs that exist on planet Earth. L-A-M though. Not L-A-M-B. Okay. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Okay. So I wrote after that. I just wrote goodbye after that because I was like really done with that. Good bye. I think, you know what, I'm still on the L-A-P-D. I think so too. Yeah. So far, that's the winner for me.

So like I said, I wrote goodbye after that and then I wrote, hello again. Hello, we're back. I was done with that. So now we're going to talk about the Invisible Light Agency. Oh, man. Now this is almost like a diet love pass kind of thing. It's bring me in. Yeah. This one is cool. I don't want to say that. Cool. And like the worst way. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So this one is crazy. And it's wildly terrifying, especially after, oh, oh, because I'm so afraid of invisible things because of the movie, The Invisible Man. It fucked me up this year.

That movie's great. And, you know what, I feel like technology has come a really long way. And maybe there is invisible technology. I mean, you never know. I mean, the idea for that movie came from somewhere, you know what I'm saying? There's some great minds working on really terrible things.

I was gonna say there's also some evil minds and maniacal minds. So, here's the deal. Alisa had either tweeted or put something on Facebook, depending on the search you had, about a new and visible cloak technology. And that led people to believe that she had been corresponding with military members who knew of the same technology. And that led people to believe that she had been corresponding with military members who knew of the same technology. And they were going to start using it in the

military. Okay, weird. Or she was just reading Harry Potter. Perhaps. Now what's weird is that there's a location on Google Maps called the Invisible Light Agency. And it's located inside the hotel. Oh, okay, excuse me. It's located inside the hotel. Oh, Craig? Excuse me? It's located inside the hotel, but no, like everybody's like, no, there's no invisible light agency here, but like no invisible light agency here. Nothing to say, like, not twice if you're down. So here's the other thing.

I don't know how easy it is to add a location to Google Maps. So I don't need to, I don't know. I don't know. I've never tried to do it. Google Maps. So I don't need to say, I don't know. I don't know. I've never tried to do it. Me either. And I feel like it has to be approved by somebody who checks out that it's a real thing. I would think so.

But also I feel like if you're an underground secret society kind of deal, you're not necessarily going to put yourself on Google Maps. Yeah, that wouldn't be my first thing. No, definitely not mine, but do you. So that's cool. I don't know. So it's interesting. But the thing that's scary is that people, like say,

it checks out because Elise's odd behavior in the elevator. Is she hiding from someone that none of us can see? Oh. Yeah, honey. I don't know. And now I want to go back and see if there's any like, you know, disruption. I did, like, eight times and I don't see anything. No. And, but this is the thing because's any like, you know, disruption. I did, like eight times and I don't see anything.

No. And, but this is the thing because it's like, she couldn't see them either. So that explains why her back was against the wall and she was hiding in the corner. Like, it's literally the invisible man movie, but in IRL, in real life. In real life.

I don't know. And it's like, did she know too much about the technology and like the purpose is behind it because she was talking to these people too much Is that why she wanted to go to the Cecil? I like this one. I like this one I don't know and maybe someone was afraid of letting her letting too much info boost when she went back to Canada because remember She's not from America. Oh Shit, uh-huh now honey. I didn't even find this anywhere.

This was in my own mother-fucking noggin. Is that what the particles are found all over her? Are those the particles to build the invisible man suit but they don't work in water, so that's why they popped up in water? I don't know. My noggin wonders. Get the fuck out of here.

I mean, holy shit. Is that what the particles were? Because everybody's like, what the fuck were the particles? Oh my god. Exactly. That's what it was. I'm a fucking investigator. Holy shit.

Okay, so the next one. Wow. Yeah, that one, I mean, wow. Pretty fucking strong if you ask me. I don't know how we can get out of that one. Invisible light agency, don't come after me, too. I don't know anything. Don't know anything. I'm never going to LA now. Sorry. Nope. No. This next one also puts

to murder. And so at the time, there was like a huge outbreak of TB tuberculosis in the area. Oh, yes. And conspiracy theorists believe that Alisa might have, this one's wild. She might have fallen victim to bioterrorism. Okay. Now, this one, honestly, she might have fallen victim to bio-terrorism. Okay. Now this one honestly, I'm not going to lie to you. This one confuses the shit out of me. So if you want to look more into this, do it on your own because mama was like, I'm done. Now, so this is weird because the test for TB strangely enough is named LAMLOS. Oh yes, that's true. Which is weird. We talked about that on Cartoon Town. We did. So, okay, some people think that she had TB, and they were testing different things on her.

And again, people point to the elevator surveillance because I guess people suffering from tuberculosis can become really confused and disoriented. But I don't know, I just don't think so. I mean, I'm not gonna rule that one out. Yeah, I don't know, I just don't think so. I mean, I'm not gonna rule that one out. Yeah, I don't know. It's incomplete. It's incomplete.

You need to look more into it in your own because to be honest with you, it was confusing the fuck out of me. I mean, I'm still looking at that one because that one I'm like not ready to throw. But it is, I mean, now that I think of it, that could have explained her weird behavior in the hostile too,

and like maybe the whole time. Exactly. And maybe she had tuberculosis before she went to America. Yep. And that's what she was going to America for. And then all this bad shit happened. They were like, oh, this didn't work out. Gotta throw you in the water tower.

Gotta throw you in the water tower. And then after she died, there was... So I don't know if there... I think the outbreak was after she died, actually. Oh, okay. Because people think that it happened because so many people were interested to drinking the water.

That makes, that pushes it even further. I know, because the thing is actually, a lot of the people that stay at the hotel, like I said, it's like pretty, like it's not expensive to stay there. So people on Skid Row, like maybe you're staying at the hotel for a night, if they run up enough cash, and then they're going back out to Skid Row

and they're exchanging. That's true. The TB. Oh. So maybe that's not as far fetched as I thought, actually. That one, that one's not a throw away one. I think I just needed to talk it through. Yeah, I allowed.

I think you did. I don't think Annie wanted to hear about it. So she was actually snoring on the couch. Like, no, thank you. She's like, I gotta go. I mean, it's weird that her name is the test. Yes, that's strange. But it was that way, like, even before she was born.

Which is strange. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. That one's a good one, I think. It is a good one. Now, one of the last, in my opinion, the creepiest fucking theories, and if you have looked into this, you know it. You've been waiting for me to say it. The elevator game.

Ooh, this one I was excited to hear about. This one freaks me the fuck out. So apparently a lot of people in Korea play this game. And it's also known to go around Tumblr a bunch. So that makes sense of like why she would have found it. She would have found it. So here's the instructions. I found this on a website that I'll post.

So I'm gonna read like the whole entire thing to you. So instructions. This is a game from Korea. By performing this ritual, you're supposed to get a different, to a different world. According to people that have successfully completed the game, it looks the same as the towner building that you're from, but all the lights are off and you can see a red cross in the distance. There are no other living things there except yourself. Some say electronics like phones, cameras, etc. don't work while some say they do.

Also, some say that getting back into the real world is harder for some reason. You get disoriented and forget the elevator you came on or somehow the elevator seems to get further and further away as you walk towards it. Question. Yes, what's up? Why would you do this? I don't know, but it's like, I have to move because my hip hurts because I'm geriatric.

Oh my God. Oh, but it's like, what's the upside? I don't know, but it's like think of, well, you get to go like another world, like holy fuck, I've been to another world. But like another world that's just pitch black

with the red claws and the distance and you can't find your way home Well, I'm also like how do you know that it looks like your world a 10 plus story building. Now I think the Cecil's 15 stories high. And in the elevator alone, if someone is in the elevator with you, it will not work. Oh, bummer. She was alone. So there are nine steps.

Are you ready? Oh. Number one, get on the elevator on the first floor. Number two, press four. And when you reach the fourth floor, you don't get out and press two. When you reach second floor, press four and when you reach the fourth floor, you don't get out and press two. When you reach second floor, press six, when you reach six floor, press two, when you reach second floor, press ten, when you reach the tenth floor, press five.

When you get, when you reach the fifth floor, a girl will come in. This woman is not human. Don't talk to her or look at her. If you do, she'll take you away. Yeah, I don't have to tell or look at her. If you do, she'll take you away. Yeah, I don't have to tell me twice. Nope, not to. I don't talk to people in elevators to be given with. Honestly, I don't make eye contact with people that I'm like next to have a long conversation. Now I'm gonna assume they're just not human and gonna be out of this world. Oh, after this, I'm never going on another elevator ever again. Also, one time I got stuck in an elevator and it was a huge

bummer. So also, you have to press one and if the elevator instead starts going to the 10th floor, you have succeeded. So if you press one and you get to the 10th floor, you win. Oh, good. You will have reached another world when you get there and when you get there, no one's there except you. So maybe the goal's peace and quiet. I was just going to say, maybe it's for parents of toddlers.

I don't know. Now, if you get to the 10th floor, the girl will ask, where are you going? Don't answer her. Oh, good, okay. I was gonna say, I don't know. Honestly, no, no, no, no, no, don't answer. No, no, no answer.

Root. Now, this is how you return. If the woman doesn't get on the elevator, and if you don't get off at the 10th floor, you never really made it to the other world, so you're still in this world. Cool. Now, if you don't get off at the 10th floor and then press one, if you don't get off at the 10th floor, then press one. If it doesn't press, keep on pressing until it works.

Okay. So just like hope for the best that you're going to get back to in this world. Yeah. So yeah, some people think that Alisa went to this world and she was like super disoriented when she got back and that she somehow ended up climbing into the water tower by accident. I don't know if she thought it was like a portal to back to this world or.

Yeah. I mean, that's not in the instructions. I don't know. I think this is very far-fetched. I think it's just fun for the people who like the paranormal. Wow. Yeah, and then the last green,

I'm gonna go ahead cross that one off the list. Well, and the other thing is like, you'll get the surveillance. Surveillance. Surveillance. Surveillance, and you see that she's just pressing like a bunch of fucking buttons all at once. Yeah, she's just not like a methodical like press two,

then press five. The elevator's not moving. She's not the charge of force. She's not the door and everything. She's not the door and everything. Unless you support the idea that the footage is edited. Yeah, I don't know. And they edited out the other world. I mean, you can't get out of the way.

The dome in front of the other world. It could be around. I'm not going to it. I don't know. There was a Disney movie at one point, and you would get to another world. And I can see it in my head. It was all white. And then there was like, almost like these like

clothes lines and like all these like, I don't know if it was like movie posters. I also don't know if this is just a nightmare that I have. When I was a child, I wish everybody could see Ash just like, she's gazing off into the distance as she explains this and she's miming things. The different things. There's a clothesline.

And there's all these different things hanging. And I think somebody has a ball. And someone has a ball? I don't know. I don't know that one. This is someone else's. Too much about me. Yeah.

What's that it is in the movie? Probably not. Probably the next one. Yes. I don't know. So. Get serious. The final theory is that she completed suicide.

Oh, that's the saddest theory. It is fairly sad, like obviously, but I think it's also very far-fetched because how would she know that the water tower was up there? And it's like, this is horrible to say, but would she not just jump out the window like so many people had done before her? Yeah, to me, the suicide thing doesn't,

if I'm gonna go anywhere near that kind of thing, it's gonna be accidental. Right. Exactly. But even that is weird. But even that's weird, because it's like how did she want her up there? I don't know. I just don't know. I just don't know.

It bothers me that I still have no fucking idea after reading countless countless mother fucking articles and books about this. I'm voting for that invisible light scenario or the LAPD. I mean same. The invisible light one, particles. Or yeah, that one really works, but the other thing that's really, unfortunately, seems very likely is that she was hallucinating

and possibly was off her medication and maybe had her about there. And just wandered out, was hallucinating, maybe not understanding what was happening and just wandered up there. Yeah, I would hate for, I mean, I would hate for any of this to be true because it all sums with her dying horrifically in a water tower. So none of them are good. But then again, if she was hallucinating and she went out there, how'd she close the water tank? Well, that's the thing that really. But then it's also like, was it closed? I don't know because everybody wants to be a mother fucking liar on the internet. It was closed. Then I

don't support the accident that she did it herself. No. It was slightly open. If it was closed, I think it was the invisible lights agency. I think so too. I don't know. I'm just saying. I don't know. I don't know anything about that. What do you guys think? Yeah. I can't wait to hear what you have to tell us. So yeah. I'll post some pictures and you can look at them on our Instagram. At Morbid Podcast. We go on Twitter a lot. I like Twitter so much better.

So at A Morbid Podcast, or you can, I don't remember what my Twitter name is. What's my Twitter name? I think it's Alaina to the Max. Yeah, your Twitter is hilarious. Come follow me, add Alaina to the Max. And look for Starbucks to shout my Twitter out. Yeah, there you go. Also, they didn't offer me any free coffee.

They just wanted to know if they could use my tweet. And I was like, yeah, for the small price of a lifetime of free coffee. And I loved that they were like, can you follow us, Ash? And I was like, hey, fuckers, I've followed you for years. That did you tune about the fact that you like when they're- I tweeted about Starbucks. Compliments, you, I don't know, I think it's bullshit. You hear that noise? for years. That's a huge thing about the fact that you like when they're compliments. You, I don't know, I think it's bullshit. You hear that noise? Yeah, it was the chair downstairs.

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