Morbid - Episode 187: The Farmville Murders

Episode Date: November 15, 2020

We’re stepping into an unknown world for us this week: the world of horrorcore. In 2009 twenty year old Richard Sam Mccroskey travelled across the country to go to a horrorcore music festival with two girls he had become friends with via Myspace, sixteen year old Emma Niederbrock and eighteen year old Melanie Wells. Richard, Emma and Emma’s best friend Melanie would all be staying at Emma's house after the concert. Richard, aka Syko Sam, had it in his mind that Emma was his girlfriend, but after meeting her he realized his feelings were not reciprocated. Instead of moving on, he made the decision to brutally murder everyone staying in the home, including Emma.  Sources: https://richmond.com/from-the-archives/10-years-ago-horrorcore-rapper-killed-his-girlfriend-and-her-farmville-family-with-a-maul/article_157588fa-150c-545f-9aeb-413f96ba4966.html https://www.ranker.com/list/horrorcore-farmville-murders/cheryl-adams-richkoff https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/horrorcore-syko-sam/ https://www.adamquirk.me/blog/2017/7/28/syko-sam-and-his-quadruple-murder-spree-in-farmville-virginia As always, thank you to our sponsors: Amazon Music: For a limited time you can get three months of Amazon Music Unlimited for FREE.  Go to Amazon.com/morbid Upstart: Hurry to Upstart.com/morbid to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate can be. Stamps: With our promo code, MORBID, you get a special offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage and a digital scale!! Just go to Stamps.com and type in MORBID. Embark: Go to Embarkvet.com now to get the best deal of the year AND free shipping. Use Promo code MORBID to save $64 off your Embark Breed and Health Kit. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yep. Actually, that goes very well with my, uh, my topic. Oh, I didn't even think of that because you just told me what you were doing. Yeah. Maybe that was like a subconscious thing that just came out of my mouth. You know, let's just pretend that it just happened naturally and organically. Yeah, God knows I don't prepare anything. I say so.

I'm sure everybody notes that. Fly by the seat of my pants kind of gal. That's right. So today's going to be a fun, I say fun. I always say it's going to be so fun. I usually always say it's a real brutal murder case, so that's not fun, but it's one that's like, whoa, sometimes the details and the lead up is just like,

oh, okay. It's fun in the way that you're gonna be like, what? Huh? It's not fun. Like, as in people got murdered. I'm trying to think of like a real life situation it could relate to.

Yeah, I don't really know. It's like doing your taxes. It's horrible, but you get a reward at the end. But yeah, if you enjoyed numbers, maybe it's fun. I don't know. I don't think it applies. I can't. But either way, you know what we mean.

And if you don't know what we mean, then I don't know. You will at the end of this. Yeah, you'll get it at the end. So I think that we really don't really have any business to attend to. It's kind of we're having a nice little calming couple of weeks. Maybe. Yeah, there's no announcements in there.

No big announcements. I mean, the one thing I would say was we have new merch on morbidpod. What's it? My God. Shopped up morbidpodcast.com. It's because I'm the one that always says it. Yeah, you're the one who always says it. It's in our store.

Yeah. And it's new murder apparel the one who always says it. It's in our store. Yeah. And it's new murder apparel stuff and it's really fun. It is. Go check that out for the holiday season. And all the designs are so funny. Unfortunately, unfortunately. Unfortunately. Right now the booty one is sold out but I'm sure it will restock it soon.

Yeah, so keep an eye out for that. Oh, and I actually wanted to say one um, one of the podcasts on our network called Not Spooky. Our good friends are good Canadian boys. We love them. Johnny and Tyler, they just released an episode on Wednesday, um, and it's episode 112 Jerry Beads. And it is hilarious. They're talking about Kenneth new and the legend of the band. She, and when. And when I actually just sent them both a text message, I was cackling like a whole lot. A whole lot. Ash cackle crying in my car. And you know what, that spooky is real good for that.

Oh my God, they're so funny. They're so good. They're spooky gay bullshit. Just like, I thrive off the grate. It's great. So go check it out. Yeah, go check it out, because we love them. And we know that you'll love them.

They're our Canadian brothers. They're our Canadian brothers. There are Canadian brothers. Our brothers up north. So I think that's it. Yeah, I think that's really it. Just some love. Just as like a little side note, because since we just plugged another podcast,

over on Scream, me and Caleb are doing some Thanksgiving movies this week, this month. Thanks, giving horror movies. Thanks for giving horror movies. OK, so go check those out because it's going to be fun. I'm excited. We've hit some real interesting ones. I heard you're gonna have this really famous guest on,

so it's gonna be so much fun. So keep an eye out for that. I'm looking forward to it. So go check us out on screen, and yeah, I think that's really all we wanted to be like, where are we? How about I went, where are we? I think I can think of.

So let's dive into this. I'm really excited for this and I know that's fucked up. Excited because this is just one that's gonna be like what? Crystal Wilden. Yeah it reminds me slightly. It has like a flavor of the Jasmine Richardson and Jeremy Stanky. Oh okay. Kind of thing. It has a little bit of that flavor to it. I love that flavor. But yeah, it's pretty bad. So cool, cool, cool. This is called the Farmville murders.

Already in. That sounds like a movie. It does, and it's also, I immediately thought of that game that everyone plays Farmville on like Facebook. Oh yeah. I never play, I have no idea what it is, but I remember people playing it all the time,

or they'd send you notifications that were like, play Farmville with me, and you were like, fuck off. That's not how these people met, is it? No, it's not. I thought that when I saw the Farmville murders, I was like, whoa. That would be a trim. Turns out it's not, it doesn't have anything to do with Farmville, but then I quickly saw another case, which I won't cover, but so I just want to mention it here. That it won't ever do it. That does have to do with the Farmville thing on Facebook. And it's a mom who killed her baby for interrupting her playing Farmville. Oh yeah, we don't cover that. So we won't cover that.

This is nothing to cover. She's a shit-stand. I shall die someday. So that's good. I have to feed the cows and kill you. Yeah, I was like, what? All right, so the reason this is called the Farmville murders is it takes place in Farmville, Virginia in 2009.

All right, you're taking us back to right. You're taking us back to Virginia. Take you back to Virginia. We love Virginia. You got a lot of stuff going on Virginia. And I say taking us back because you did that for one of the live shows. Yeah, so you know, Virginia, we're back at, we're back in you. Hey, happy to be here in you. You got a lot going on. So we will dip our toes into you a lot.

All right. You've got to just cut gross. It's got real gross. All right, so we're going to talk about the, this has to do with some teenagers and some online shenanigans. Oh, the best. Some MySpace is involved here. Shut the fuck up.

We're really taking it back. Maybe 13 again. So we're going to talk first of all, we'll talk about the three teenagers that this has to do with and how they met really quick and just what they're about. So the first one is 20-year-old Richard Samuel McCrossky, the third, not a teenager. He's a dude. Honestly, when you hear about, he has won the maturity level of a young teenager and he looks like a teenager.

Really? Well, Jeremy was a and he looks like a teenager really well German was a teenager so same deal, but they act like a teenager They have the mentality of one. Yeah, so 20 you might as well be honestly 20. I kind of still consider you The sequel yeah exactly so he's from California He was he's kind of like a meek and mild kid. He's he's from California. He's kind of like a meek and mild kid. He's always described as someone who is very passive. Doesn't fight back. Is teased a lot.

Doesn't really just doesn't really get along with a lot of people. And it's not because he's aggressive, really, but like outwardly or anything, he's very passive. Just very shy., keeps to himself. Everyone who describes him says he would never fight back when someone teased him. He would just shut down and that's it. I already feel like this is gonna ruin me.

Which is very interesting when you find out who he is as a person later. All right. He's also, so this meek mild kid who looks much younger than 20, blah, blah, blah. He has an online persona. Okay. As a lot of people do online.

It's a place to curate who you are. You know, like if you're not happy with who you are in real life, you get to be whoever you want online. We've all seen it. We've all seen, you know, the couples that are obsessed with each other and like, she constantly posts post crazy in your face, dripping with goo stuff. But you know the man real life,

and you guys literally hate each other. You hate each other. And, or the person who's just constantly showing all these pictures of them and all these wild places. And it's like, meanwhile, they took it on the side of the highway and a bunch of bushes. And it looked like they were in a field of flowers, or the people involved in pyramid schemes.

Those are my favorite. Exactly. So everyone, we all know people like this. That, and especially teenagers, especially in the early arts and stuff, online was a place you can go. You can have your own little fantasy world. And it was me who you wanna be.

Right now. And honestly, a lot of people made a lot of friends online during the heyday of this. I'm sure people still are, but during the heyday of it, people were really like, holy shit. I can talk to people far away. Yeah, like my space, holy shit.

That was crazy. So very into my space, very into social media, and he was very into the horror core scene. I had no idea what horror core was. I was very hard to say as well. It is, because you'd honestly just end up saying horror core. It's like the rural juror.

It's hard to say. It's really hard to say it is. So horror core is like a rap scene, a music scene. It's kind of akin to like the juguggalo scene where it's like ICP. Those kind of musicians who horror core is rapping about, and I don't know if there's a lot of singing involved, I've only seen rapping from what I've looked into it, and I've only just looked into it for this case. I was going to say I've never heard of it. I've only seen rap, but it's basically rapping about like,

the darkest shit you can imagine. Like murder. Yeah, it's like murder, mutilation, torture, rape, blah, blah. Okay, it's just the dark shit that you can pull out at the depths of your psyche is what they rap about. Yeah. Which, in and of itself, is fine. In my opinion, in my opinion, because it's like, you know, people are sh- People are sh-

People are sh- Heds are sh- Heds are sh- Well that's the thing. I don't believe that like, Music makes you do something. I think if you're- You were gonna do it.

Like, you know, it's like when we talked about the kids that were like, quote-unquote, Satanist And the parents like sued the rock bands. Yeah. Like, you can't play music. In my opinion, it's like- I agree. So he was very

into this scene. It's a very like big scene, like very underground though, you know, because it's, it has to do with like the macabre and the morbid, if you will. Oh my god, I know about that. Now he himself, now this meek mild kid who gets teased a lot, is an amateur horror core rapper. I love that. Who goes under the name? Oh my god, him. He with it. Psycho Sam. Hell yeah, psycho Sam. Spelled S-Y-C-O. Sam. Okay, hate that.

That's not how you spell psycho. That's actually very incorrect. I did look on the MySpace pages though, because even though MySpace is like not a thing anymore, you can find like the the front page of people's MySpace is. Oh shit. And I found all these kids their front pages There's and I could see their friends list and a lot of people like you can tell that these are from like

Hell yeah, and a lot of them had those names like their nicknames in the scene and like that Strix on the side and a lot of them began with like psycho. Yeah, and spelled like that So it seems like that might be a thing in the scene. I love that. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill or are they made to kill? I'm Candace DeLong and on my podcast, Killer Psychie Daily, which you can find exclusively on Amazon Music.

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you this is actually happening. Followed this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts, you can listen to ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder App. Now, he said he named himself Psycho Sam because he was obsessed with Son of Sam. Oh, which weird icon. What a fucking icon. First of all, serial killers don't like, don't look up to them to begin with, like, but Sam, son of son of Sam, like David. The way Miss.

Motherfucking Berkowitz is your pick of the litter. Yeah, he looks like a, like a wretched animal. Don't pick any serial killer as your idol or your role model, but definitely don't pick David Berkowitz out of the pack. Do you know what though? I feel like if David Berkowitz was like, like I feel like he would, he would fit.

You know what I mean? No. The Chubby Book, like his horror fit. You know what I mean? No. The Chubby Book, like his horror core name would be Chubby Bohemus. Yeah, that's true. Psycho Chubby Bohemus. He would fit into this. I still don't understand why anyone would idolize him.

No, I don't either. There's nothing. I mean, whatever. So his family again described him as two different people, somebody online and somebody in real life. And they didn't know a whole lot about his online persona. They just knew that he was online a lot. he described him as two different people, somebody online and somebody in real life. And they didn't know a whole lot about his online persona. They just knew that he was online a lot,

and he kind of stayed to himself. He definitely used horror core and his online curated persona to portray himself as hardcore, a real tough guy. Somebody who doesn't give a shit. It was a fantasy world. He could literally be whoever he wanted to be. He could make friends in this scene. He became very close with members of this scene, like other artists and stuff, which

in and of itself seems like it would be a positive thing. He's a member of a community that he feels good about. Like I know a lot of like, you know, in the jugalos scene and all that, like they feel like it's a community of family. It's like a family. Like a family where they feel accepted and all that, like they feel like it's a community of family, a family where they feel accepted and all that. So that is positive to me. I agree. Of course, there's going to be members of any community that are dicks and take it into a different realm. That's literally anything you can think of.

Anything, anything. So he also really liked photography and web design. And I guess he was pretty good at it. That's cool. So that's cool. So he did a ton of web design and concert photography for small horror-core labels in the area. Cool. Because again, he was an aspiring artist himself. So this is his like foot in the door and these little labels. His screen name was Lil Demon Dog. And it's

capital L, lowercase i, capital L, lowercase D, capital E, lowercase I have, and it goes on like that. We love this sponge pop writing. Well, and all obviously another reference to son of Sam, little demon dog. Yep. So that's who we have for Richard Samuel McCrosski, aka psycho Sam.

Cool, cool, cool. Then we have 16 year old Emma Niederbrook. She was born, and again 16 years old. Yeah, she was 20. Very young. She was born October 15th, 1992. She was described as sweet, smart, and beautiful. You look at pictures of her, she is beautiful.

She was homeschooled, like pretty early. I think from the time she was 11 or something, she was homeschooled. Okay. She was very into fashion, particularly goss fashion at the time, like the scene look and all that. She wanted to be a fashion designer when she grew up. She was also very interested in the occult.

Okay, she grew up in a very strict, pretty religious home. So she's like, just went there. I went against it. Like I said, her MySpace is one that I went on. Her MySpace is still up with photos, and you can see that she dyed her hair bright pink. She wore very intense makeup. Like she did this, it's pretty cool actually.

Like I was like, who knows to you for rocking that? Like a confidence girlfriend, because she did this eyeliner that went all the way down, like it pointed down towards her nose. Oh, that's cool. So it made her eyes look even like almost like ominous. I don't know how to describe it, but I'll link all these pages if you want to see them. But again, she rocked it. Her photos are the typical like hot topic kind of.

Yes. So it's very hot topic in there. This whole scene seemed to me very hot topic. Yeah, but you know, that's just my... You know, it's hilarious. I remember like wanting to do that so badly, but I am not of that mold at all. Like, I would walk into hot topic

and all of the employees would walk to the back and be like, why the fuck is that girl here? I would have died. Like, I remember thinking... You were like, I am this girl. Like, I remember thinking scene girls were so cool. I like, cut those cool... They were cool. I mean, they were. Yeah. I remember like

cutting those bangs and everything. I love that shit. Oh, yeah. But I did not fit that scene at all. I didn't fit the scene scene. You certainly all. But I love you for the. So she went by the name, especially online rag doll, too, because they all go by those nicknames. And she wore a necklace all the time with the word doll on it. Cute. I looked through her Myspace, a lot of her friends were similar like jugalos and horror core people, very emo and scene-looking. A few of them again had like the psycho moniker before them. Most of them had nicknames as their names. So I think that's just part of the culture.

Even though she was deeply entrenched in this horror core world, so hard to say. It is. You should just say HC. HC, she was also like into mainstream music. She liked and sync in the Backstreet Boys. Yeah. So she liked all of it.

I think she just was really into this scene and probably like the aesthetic. She was into the people. She felt good with these people, but she also liked to rock out to Backstreet Boys and Insync, which is kind of fun. She also played soccer. So she was a very well-rounded individual.

We love an eclectic gal queen. Now she met one of her best friends who she was inseparable from online. Okay. Who was an 18-year-old girl named Melanie Wells. She was born on February 13th, 1991 in Louisiana. She lived in West Virginia at the time when she was 18 years old. She had dropped out of high school and ended up finishing her education through home school as well. Okay. All three of them had been homeschooled in some capacity or another. Sam too. Or Richard. Sam. Sam I guess Richard slash Sam. He did like a half thing where like he

would go to school certain days a week and then homeschool the rest. Oh I knew kids that did that. So all of them in some capacity had which I think is interesting. Yeah that is interesting. I'm not saying it has anything to do with what happened, but like weird Gwen's just a very weird and interesting thing so Melanie Let's describe this very sweet very kind her and Emma were like best friends like immediately They just totally bonded and I think they were very alike. Yeah, both Melanie was also very entrenched in the scene So they had that now Melanie and Emma the way they so they had that. Now, Melanie and Emma, the way they met, they met Richard. They met each other online through another horror core artist. Okay. Hard to say, but I'm

gonna keep trying. You're doing it. They liked this artist who I'm gonna talk about in a second. Her name is Rosicale, I think. Cool. And she ended up talking to the two of them separately. Melanie and Emma, like through DMs on my space, like my space messaging. And then she ended up talking to them, they were saying how much they loved her music. And then she was like, oh, you two should meet because you're in the same area and you're both really cool. And I think you would like each other. I love that. So she kind of just like set them up.

Yeah. We can friends. They met Richard also through this kind of scenario. All three of them had become part of an online promotional team for Rosacale. And this now she, Rosacale is also called the Queen of the Wicked Shit. Fuck yeah.

Which I was like, awesome. Okay, Rosacale. Same Rosacale, right? And her promo teams were called the unholy apostles. Is she you? Are you Ross account? Am I Ross account? Are you pretending right now that you're not?

I'm good to be honest, the unholy apostles is awesome. It sounds like over the top of this whole scene. But it fits so perfectly. It's late for this time period. It totally does. Everything was so over the top online. It's over the top in like an endearing way. Yes. Like you're like, yeah.

Like I love that. She had a team. Like what did you say they were marketing team? Yeah, they're a promotional team. I love that. I love it. And she's still doing music, by the way. I will talk about Rousey-Kill later.

Is it good? Cause she, um, I, yes, she, she, not in your opinion, but like maybe for someone else. You know what? She's making it. Okay. It's all like, it's fine. You know what? She's making it. Okay. It's all like, it's fine. You know what, you guys might dig it. I, yeah, who am I to say? It's just not my thing, but like, get it.

Well, I mean, like, I like music that you know like. So, I mean, you definitely wouldn't like it. But I, somebody might like it. So, I would definitely say that. And she's doing the damn thing and I respect her for that. Hell yeah. But I will talk about her reaction to this whole thing later.

Now the three of them talked online for a long time. Emma and Richard began being very like that gotten to kind of a romantic thing. They now Richard thought that Emma was his girl online girlfriend. Emma never said she was his girlfriend, but they were flirty and like we're talking for up to a year. Okay. So she was also posting at times saying like she loved him and blow-bob, but then she'd tell people like,

no, he's not my boyfriend. Which I like, because it's online. Well, that's the thing. And that was like so of that time. So of that time. Like I was flirting with like four different dudes on my space. Like I was such a little hoe on my space. I get it.

Yeah, like we, everybody, you know, had an online boyfriend or girlfriend. And it's so different, because like you would, like you would talk to somebody for the whole summer and be like, oh my god, like we're gonna date freshman year. And then you go to school and they'd be like, not for you. Yeah, exactly.

And so, yeah. And these two are from opposite sides of the country. It's not like, in their 16 and 20, it's not like, I think he, unfortunately, what happened was he built this relationship up in his mind. Yeah. And had certain expectations and certain ideas of what it was. Yeah.

And she looked at it as like a fun, I'm flirting with this cool guy who's into stuff I am. Lighthearted. And she kind of went with it because she's writing like I love you and we're soulmates But then she's telling people like now. We're just talking online. Okay, I can't believe it. No, I respect it It's an online I did it so I did So yeah, so they After about a year they want to all three of the Melanie, Emma, and Richard. They want to meet up and go to this concert slash festival, like with a bunch of horror choral artists that are going to perform.

It's in Southgate, Michigan, and it was called Strictly for the Wicked. Hell yeah. Which sounds awesome. We should start calling our live shows that. Yeah, like this is strictily for the Wicked. Strictly for the Weirdos. Yeah, like that's amazing. So I get it and they were like, we wanna do this.

Of course, it's like 1,500 miles away or something from where Melanie and Emma live. Right. Richard would have to fly across the country. So there's that problem. Now her parents try to, they tried to be good parents. Emma's parents?

Yeah, Emma's parents really tried here. And I just want to give them like they... I feel like they did what they thought was right and they tried really hard and it kind of backfired on them. In the biggest way it possibly could. Oh no. So her parents are 53-year-old Deborah Kelly and 50-year-old Mark Neterbrook. So they were in the process of divorcing, that's why Deborah took back her last name. So Deborah was born September 28th, 1955 in Richmond, Richmond, Virginia.

She was a sociology and criminology professor at Longwood University. That's right. She had like a doctorate. She was brilliant. Her father was a reverend, reverend Mark Neneaterbrook. He was born March 20th, 1959 in Illinois. He was the head of the Walker's Presbyterian Church in Hicksburg, Virginia, for six years. So parents are a professor and a reverent. Yes. So and of course like she's like a preacher's daughter, you know, like she's a typical like

a bell against it. She was their only child too. Now in 2009 when this all went down they weren't divorced. They were just in the process of separating. Okay. They were trying to like, trying to make it work, but they had separated out of the, like, they had stayed in the home, dead bread, and Emma. Mark had moved out. They were going to counseling. They were trying to like, get back to it. Okay. And it seemed by all accounts that things were amicable. They weren't like a, it wasn't a disaster. It wasn't a disaster. It was a whole thing. It was, and they were also very respectful of each other

and co-parenting. They wanted to make sure that they made decisions together. Yeah, so it seemed like it was a good thing. But Emma was having a little bit of an issue with it. She's 16. When your parents divorced at 16 years old, I imagine it must be tough. Yeah, that's not normal.

At any age, but 16, you've gone through 16 years of having them together. And that's just like such a fucking horrible. It's a heart-age anyway. So, you know, I feel like it was bad. So this is when she got like really into Horcour. I think she just kind of like threw herself into it. Yeah. It was an escape. Right. Now they knew Emma was into this, like seen. They hated it. Yeah. But they, and in fact, they hated it so much that Deborah was going to counseling with Emma to try to make sure that this was like safe. Okay, and safe.

Okay. And trying to keep an open channel of communication with her about it. Because the lyrics are very like, very, they're a lot off. And especially for a mom off putting it. It would be scary as a parent to hear your kid listening to this. I will say that. Like I get, I can see all sides of this. And again, they weren't telling her for bidding her from listening to it or being a part

of it. They just wanted to make sure they were, they were a part of it too. Which is smart. Which I think is really smart. And they were determined to remain in her life in an open channel of communication. So they wanted to kind of just not push her away, but I think like, no, I'm gonna chain you up and not let you go out.

So they were trying. So, but they figured we need to be aware of everything. We need to try to support her. We hope this is a phase that she's going through. Let's ride it out together. So they agreed together that they would participate in this meet-up that they wanted to happen for this festival. That's cool as hell. So they said, Richard has to fly here. He has to figure that out. Yeah. We're not flying too many. Like figure that

out. But you and Melanie can stay in our home and we will take you to that festival, the three of you together. Wow. And as we will drive you there, we will take you to that festival, the three of you together. Wow. And as we will drive you there, we will pick you up so we know where you are, we're going to be there to see what's going on. That's great. I get why they thought this was the best way to go about it. Yeah.

I myself would not have a 20-year-old, I didn't know, stay in my house, but I understand. Oh wait, so Richard was going to be staying in the house too. Richard and Melanie. Oh, I didn't know, stay in my house. But I, oh wait, so Richard was gonna be staying in the house too. Richard and Melanie. Oh, I thought just Melanie. Okay, so yeah, that is not. I wouldn't do that, but I can see that they were, that they were trying.

Well, and it's their house, so they're like, we're gonna see everything. Yeah, and I feel like they thought that they could, they had a handle on this. I can see what they were going for. I just feel really bad, because they really gave it a shot to be like, you know, parents that are there and listening and supportive and I think it just, they should have been a little harder and I think it would have been a little better.

But I don't know. But they were trying to do what they thought was what they thought was. Yeah, you do what you think is best and they thought this was best. So they were going to pick, they were going to pick Richard up from the airport and then they were going to drive straight to the concert. Okay. And then he would stay with the Malini. He must have been tired. I know for a couple of days. Okay. House. So they could all just like get to know each other and hang out. So September 12th, 2009. Okay. He arrives at the airport. They go to pick them up, Melanie, Emma, and Deborah. Immediately, the online persona has fallen away. Yes. And now it's real people meeting each other.

Which is always awkward. Like in an awkward no matter what. But when you don't have that perfectly angled my space photo or the mirror shot. It's like you're naked. It's you look a little different. Yeah. You just look a little different.

Emma was immediately not attracted to him. That's okay. Because she was like, oh no. And when you look at the pictures, you post it, you can see that like different. Because then you see him afterwards and you're like, yeah, you really angled those pictures. Oh, we all know of my space. We all know. We all know.

And so she was immediately not attracted to this school, who walked off the school. The plane. And he's portraying online this tough guy, this hardcore psycho Sam rapper. And she was like, ooh, I'm into that. And then he walks off the plane and he's like, and he just has no self confidence. It's very meek, very quiet.

And she's like, what the fuck is this? Right. And Emma was like, I signed up for it. I'm not into it. So he immediately felt the rejection, like right off the bat, because she was like, yeah, no, this isn't gonna happen. And we all know how 16-year-olds act

when they're like, oh, fuck, no, that's the other thing. She's 16-years-olds. Mm-hmm. She's 16-years-olds. So you know she was like, mm-hmm. No. I had a very similar experience to this. Did you really?

I did. And I actually got in trouble. I was very, very mean to somebody that I went on a family vacation with who I like had a crush on. And I was a little twat. And it's actually one of my biggest regrets to this day. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, I feel bad. That's sad. I know. Wow. But I totally understand exactly how she feels. The mentality of just like, no, I don't like this person now. Yeah, I totally get it. I don't think it doesn't fit my fantasy of what the online person was.

And she's with her best friend and her best friend is older. This exact thing happened to me. And her best friend is probably like, oh, I met this other girl on the family vacation and she was older and she was like so cool. We had a lot in common. And you both were like, and I think I acted like a lot older and she was like so cool. We had a lot in common and you both were like,

and I think I acted like a lot older and cooler. No, it was exactly this situation. Oh no. Oh, that's so bad. And I got into so much trouble. I was like, granted. You deserved it. I did, I absolutely did.

Kyler, if you're listening, I'm a horrible person and it looks like you're doing great these days. Also, I'm gay now. Also, gay now. So it's fine. In the end, everything was where it should be. But this didn't, so let's get back on track. So it's the same thing.

So it's literally, you know, she's got her best friend whether the two of them are sitting there like, no, this is not psychosam, this is Richard the third. It just walked out of the place. Oh no. So that's not cool. So again, he's immediately feeling that rejection. Yeah.

He's immediately feeling like he's not with his people. He's not, he is not just met his like online, you know, and that sucks, I can imagine. So then they go to the concert and they had to drive hours in the car. So it was probably the most fucking awkward shit with her parents, like that already was gonna be awkward. And then you had this layer to it.

And then you had that like they're not into him and they're probably acting like shitty to him. Cause you end that situation, you just don't wanna be near them. Yeah, you don't even wanna be near them cause you're like gross, I've been flirting with him for like a year and now I'm really not attracted to him.

That's a rough situation. I know of this. So at the concert, people at the concert said that she was very flirty with other guys like in front of him. There's rumors that she was like flirting with a band member of one of the like groups, which like, honey, if you get that opportunity, get it.

If I could have flirted with one of the members who's like yellow card or like all time low. Seriously, like if I was like, yellow card or like all-time low. Seriously, like if I, Ryan Key from yellow card. Yes. If I could have flirted with Ryan Key from yellow card at one of the shows we went to, I would have taken that opportunity in a second.

I threw my bra at Jack Barrett Cat. That's something I didn't need to know, but I'm, you're welcome. But it's funny, because now I'm dating a woman. But like, I know, that is amazing. But I had like a stupid boyfriend in high school, like, uh, sorry about it. I feel like it's fitting.

But like, he sucked. And I, honestly, if I had that opportunity, like, flirt with Andrew McMahon, hello. Like, I would have taken that in a second. Signed me up. So I turned them up. I did too. You know, these are your idols.

She is very relatable. But he's pissed. And he's getting more and more pissed. And he's feeling slided. He's feeling slided because again, not just this rejection, but the fact that he has built this relationship into something different for him than it was for her. Yeah. And the two of them did not communicate this to each other. So I think they were both thinking different things about what this was. Yes. And then it became a rejection thing.

And now it seems to him like it's being thrown in its face. Yep. That's what it's he's taking it as. So September 13th, 2009, they're back at home. Now they went to the concert. Everything seems to be fine. They're like getting along. Everything's fine.

They're all hanging out. Melanie posts on her MySpace that she's going gonna be back in West Virginia on the 16th. Okay. So now Melanie's family, all of a sudden stops hearing from her. At the concert? No, this is when they're home. Oh, they're home, okay.

Cause she's staying at the party home, Melanie's father, Thomas, showed up at the home of Debra Kelly to get his daughter, because he was like, why isn't she texting back? No one's answering the door. He can't see in any of the windows. He's calling no one's answering. He stayed out there for hours, because he was like, they must not be home, but where are they?

Oh my God, I can't imagine this poor man. Literally like hours outside to wait for them or just to get a hold of someone. Can you imagine that feeling? He's panicking. Yeah. I can't even fathom this. He leaves because he's like, I don't know what else to do here.

And he leaves to go home to talk to the mom and be like, what do we do now? Should we call the police? They're both very upset. Her mom had texted the night before at the concert, like texted Melanie, okay, have fun, love you. And Melanie wrote back, we will love you to mom. And that's the last text she sent.

Oh, God. Now, the next series of texts that goes to Melanie is just her mother and it says, honey, where are you, please call me. Are you okay? Very worried, where are you? Question mark, question mark. Is something wrong?

And then Melanie, please call me. Oh God. And none of them go answer it. Oh God. So Kathleen, Melanie's mom, starts calling everyone they know to see if they know where Melanie is. Yeah. Because the other thing is she's 18. Right.

So this becomes a little more difficult for them. Absolutely. Because she's not a child technically. So they call to the mom, which I'm like Kathleen, Melanie's mom, I'm like, you are a like sleuth. And I'm often very impressed by her. She must have been up on what, and it seemed, I mean, you can look at those text messages

to see they like each other. They had that relationship that they said that and where it seemed like they were close. So I think she was keeping tabs on what she was doing and at least knew who she was talking to. When you're 18, you're still a child. And good for her mom for like knowing these things. Right.

Because you know, you can use them in these situations. So she calls this guy André Schrim. And this guy runs serial killing records in New Mexico. Obviously. She knew that Melanie was friends with this guy and talked to this guy. I love that mama called serial killing records, serial killing records. And she knew that Richard and Emma were also friends with this guy. So she was like, they're all connected here. I'm going to start calling people in this scene because she's deeply involved in this scene. So I'm going to start calling people good for her. Wow. And by all accounts, Andre was very helpful and was like very like, I'm glad she called me.

This is his community. This is his family. So like good for them. And he himself wraps under the name Sik Tanik the Solus obviously The Solus the solus Sik Tanik Oh, I I'm not gonna say Tanik right now. I was about to ask you what a Tanik was no at first It took me a second. Okay cool. And then I was like oh oh, say Tannic. Say Tannic, say Tannic. Yes, Sik Tannic, the solace.

He is actually the boyfriend of Rosicale, the artist. Oh, we love this. So see, we're all connected. This is so cool. I know, right? But when she talked to him, when Mama talked to him, he said, I didn't see them all day, but he said, I did see them at that music festival.

Yeah. The day before. So he was like, I did see them. They were all fine. And he was like, and they went home with, you know, the, the, the parents mom and dad, like, like, you don't have to worry. I don't think like I saw them and they were fine. Oh, no. So she's like, okay. Now, the way that Andre knows Psycho Sam is because psycho Sam was a web designer for his

rap label. Okay. For the serial killer records. Yeah. And obviously he was aspiring himself. So we figured if I could help out with web design, maybe he'll sign me again, phone in a door. So she then, so then Mama Kathleen, Melanie's mom, calls Debra's home some more like just she okay, she's got to be there. Yeah, like what the hell is going on? They got to be out somewhere and maybe I'm just maybe her phone died I don't know but then suddenly she gets an answer when she calls Richard answers I knew I'm other fucking new I go Sam answers She's like hey, where's Melanie?

Where's her to her every why are you answering the phone at a house? You don't live in and he was was like, oh, you know, they're out. They're at like a movie and I stayed in and they just told me like, answer the phone if one of you called so I could tell you. And she was like, okay. That would not sit right with me. He's like, that's weird. So then she calls back like two hours later and he can answer it again.

And she's like, where are they? And he gives them a different excuse. What's it?, no one knows? I don't know what these were, but so far, every time she calls, he keeps giving different reasons why they can't come to the phone. It's also like, why are you still answering

if you know that they're clearly not there? Exactly. And it's always different every time. It's just, oh, this is why they can't come now. Right. They went to dinner. Now they're this, now they're that. Now the parents are getting super stressed and they know he's lying. Yeah. So September 17th, Kathleen called Mark Emma's father. Sure. Because Mark doesn't live in that house. Right. So he, she

calls Mark and she's like, can you go check on your fucking wife and like daughter like in my child? Like I don't know what's going on. And I'm, I'm sorry, how long was this a day after? This was, so this was on the 17th and the last day had talked was on the 16th, Melanie was supposed to be home. Okay, okay. So, I mean, it was on the 13th that she posted on my space. So she's been there since the 12th. Oh, okay. So this is the 17th.

Okay. She was hearing up until the 16th from her. Okay. So then Kathleen's like, you know, Mark, can you go check? Yeah. It looks like, oh my god, yeah, like absolutely. Like what the fuck, sorry. So he's like, holy shit.

So he says at 5 p.m., he's going to go check. Because he's on his way. Probably. I think he was on his way. I think when they talked, it was close to 5 p.m. So he's like, I'll drop by there on my way to this other thing for work. And they're like, okay, cool. Now Richard's mother later would say that the last time she talked to her son was when

he called her that same night on the 17th at around seven p.m. and she said, quote, he sounded perfectly fine. My mother's intuition is pretty strong. He said he was having a good time and he loves me. Just putting that out there. Now midnight rolls around. Kathleen has not heard back from Mark. Uh huh.

So now she's like, what the fuck is going on? So she calls the police. Oh no. Richard, what have you done? So she calls the police and she's like, can you do a welfare check? Because and she explains the whole thing. I've been calling for days.

This kid is answering the phone. I don't know who this fucking kid is. Like, he's an online kid. And then I sent the dad to look. I sent the dad and I'm not getting anything from the dad. The police were probably like, what the fuck are we gonna find? The police were like, what? So the police show up to the house.

Oh my God, this story is fucking insane. I know, this blew my mind. Richard answers the door. And they're like, hi. Hi there, you don't live here. And he goes. Hi there, you don't live there. And he goes, oh no, I don't live here. All the women are out at the movies. And where's Daddy?

And they were like, where's the dad? And he was like, oh, he stopped by here, but he left. Like I don't know what he did. He's not here. The police are just like, okay, cool, thanks. And they leave. Okay, so that was the only thing.

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And they definitely do. They have missing people they could say like, you know, we need to know where they are. So they tell Kathleen everything's fine. And she's like, no, it's not. And Kathleen's like, no, he said they were at the movies before. Like what the fuck? They're not just going out to the cinema every four hours. Like that doesn't make sense. So Kathleen calls the house again. And it's like like what the fuck, they're not just going out to the cinema every four hours, like that doesn't make sense, right?

So Kathleen calls the house again and it's like what the fuck? Richard answers. Oh my goodness. And again, and this time he can't really tell her where they are. He doesn't have an explanation, he just says no, they can't come to the phone. And she's like where are they? And he's like, I don't know. They just can't come to the phone, they're just busy. Uh huh. And she's like, where are they? And he's like, I don't know. They just can't come to the phone, they're just busy.

Uh-huh. And she's like, dead. Seriously. So she's like, all right, Richard, something seems wrong. You should call the police. I can't believe she's been talking to him this whole time. Because at this point, she's like,

okay, the police aren't helping me. No one's helping. I'm thinking I can't talk to this guy. I've called here. So now she's like, Richard, why don't you call the police? Because something seems wrong here. Yeah.

And Richard's like, yeah, you know what, you're right. So she's like, okay, bye. And she's like, all right. What the fuck? Richard calls the police and says, hey, I hear some noises in my basement. Can you come check it out? Uh-huh.

And so the police come. They check the basement. Apparently, didn't go in the rest of the house, just check the basement. Don't find anything weird in the basement and they're like, oh, I don't know. Okay. Weird. This is the most bizarre story I've ever told you. I told you, it's so bizarre.

What? So they leave. Friday, September 18th at 3.20pm, Virginia State Police come again because Kathleen keeps calling them. Yeah, good. Good on Kathleen. I love her. Oh, hey, go to that fucking house again.

Are you insane? Like there is clearly something going on. Hasn't heard from her daughter in days. Oh my God. I think it was five days now. Yeah. So it's five days now and she's like, get the fuck back to that house. Something is wrong.

This poor, like, how do you get through your week? So they listened, they went back to the house, they knocked on the door, and immediately they said, it's dangerous. They locked door, they got a horrific smell. And they said they knew exactly what that smell was, obviously. So they forced themselves in. Oh, that's the smell. The smell of decomposition is probably cause to enter a home.

Oh, it is? Yeah, so they were like, we smell dead people. So let's go in. So they go in, Richard is gone. Of course. No, where did he come from? Because he probably couldn't handle it at this time. What they did find was three dead bodies, three bodies

that were horrifically murdered in a downstairs bedroom. Oh, no. So they leave to get a search warrant. Because now they were able to go in, but now if they want to touch anything or do anything, they need a warrant. Right. So they go to get a search warrant, because now they were able to go in, but now if they want to touch anything or do anything they need to warrant. Right. So they go, they immediately get a warrant,

because they're like, oh, there's three dead bodies. Dead people. And then they come back, and this is when they find a fourth body dead upstairs in another bedroom. Oh no. An officer later said it was, quote, the most gruesome crime scene I have ever attended.

Wow. They identify the bodies as Mark, Deborah, Emma, and Melanie. Oh, no. So Melanie, Emma, and Deborah were killed in their beds as they slept. Melanie had been sleeping on the couch downstairs. They were beaten with what they initially thought was a sled chamber. Oh my God. Because of the amount of damage done. Right. And they did find a sledgehammer in the house, so they were like, I think this could be it. Mark was murdered with the same object

as he arrived at the home to check on them. Right. He was snuck up from behind and slammed in the head. This is like a horror movie. Mark's attack was so bad that the hardwood floor under him was almost destroyed. Are you kidding? You're kidding?

And was soaked through with blood. Oh my God. Yeah. Psycho Sam again is nowhere to be found. So now they're on the hunt for this tool. Right. They use social media to track down friends and such because again, this horror core community. They're all connected.

They're all connected. So they end up speaking again with Andre because Andre actually called them. Oh, called the police. And said, hey, a friend of mine spoke with Richard like yesterday or something like that. I think it was the Thursday, yeah. And he told this guy that he murdered people. Oh, so Andre, good on him called the police

and was like, yeah, I think something's weird here. Yeah. He and his girlfriend, Rosacekell, also told police that this is where you can find recent pictures of Richard on my space. Awesome. So they led them to the pictures so that they could distribute the pictures.

Even though is that what Richard even looks like? Which is not really good pictures, I guess, but they tried. So apparently Richard, from what they could tell from time of death and all that, he had sat in the home for days Well, and he's been answering the phone. Yeah, then they killed when then he killed Mark when he showed up and sat with his body as well And just left it right there. He didn't change clothes. He didn't shower the entire five days He just sat there in the thick stench of decom The fuck? So badly that he and we will find out later, everyone who came across him afterwards

was like, he smelled so bad that you could smell him coming from like a mile away. Well, and again, you said he didn't change his clothes. He's obviously got some kind of like blood and shit on him. Oh, yeah, people said there was like, gore and shit on his clothes. What the fuck? He then stole money from Mark's wallet

and stole Mark's car at 2000 Honda and left. He immediately got, like, run off the road or something, he, like, ran into a ditch. Uh-huh. The police ended up being called. Good. It was, like, 4 a.m. when this happened. And the police came, didn't realize they were looking for him yet. Shut the fuck up. Because remember when they showed up,

Mark was, or Richard was gone. Right. So this was the night before that he wrecked the car. And the police fuck up. Because remember when they showed up, Mark was, or Richard was gone. Right. So this was the night before that he wrecked the car and the police show up. Oh, fuck. At this point, they don't know that they're looking for a killer. Right, right. But they had him right there. Mm-hmm.

So he just gets ticketed for driving without a license. That's it. And I wouldn't think not realize that the car is what they just say. Well, when they just say, who's car is this? He says, oh, it's my girlfriend's dad. Oh. And they're just like, okay. I like that he's still going with the story that my girlfriend's dad that I always he maintains that for a long time you know that poor girl she's probably like beyond the grave like mother fucker

yeah she's like never never was your girlfriend so they do set up the car to be towed when it got run off the thing so they give him the ticket they're like we're gonna tow the car to be towed when it got run off the thing? So they give him the ticket. They're like, we're going to tow the car, so figure it out. Like where do you want to go? So he gets a ride with the tow truck driver who said he wreaked so badly and drives Richard to a convenience store. And you said that there was gore on his clothing. How did the police know? Well, this is for him last time.

Maybe they didn't darken. They couldn't see it. And he was wearing a sweatshirt as if I up sweatshirt over his like really baggy clothing. So maybe they just didn't see it. Okay. He then took, so he drove them to the convenience store and that's where he took a taxi to the airport to get back home to California. He was trying to get out of here.

You're kidding me. And the taxi ride was like an hour or something long. Oh, that poor taxi driver. The taxi driver Curtis Gibson later said he was almost wretching because of how bad Richard smelled of death. Oh, gross. He had to roll down the windows the entire time. He said he, quote, smelled like the devil.

He also opened up to him slightly, Richard did. Oh, my God. Can you imagine being this poor taxi driver? Right. And he said he was very calm, a very nice kid, like very came off, very sweet. And he told him he got in a fight with his girlfriend, Emma, because she caught him going through her phone and she was pissed. Uh oh. And he said, well, what I found was I found this guy texting her and telling her he loved her. And I got angry. But we just

got to fight. And we're going to get over it. No, no. They tell him this and then he's like, I don't want to deal with it. So I'm going back to California to like cool off. Oh, and he's like, cool. So he and he described him as, quote, he spoke calmly and never raised any of my suspicions. He said, he even gushed about Emma, saying like how beautiful she was, how their first meeting was everything he wanted it to be. No, it wasn't. Her smile was unlike anything he had ever seen.

He's not in love with this girl. He's fucking obsessed. Obsessed. And he's talking about how, you know, we got you, I'm going to have to sweet talk her, but we'll get over it. I feel like do you think he believed that? No, I think that he, I don't know. I think he has like weird, different, like,

detached parts of his personality or something. But either way, witnesses, like I said, who saw him in passing, said his clothing had like crap all over it. And I mean, at this time, it's dried blood, so it's gonna look dark. It's gonna look like almost brown, like this point, it's dried blood, so it's going to look dark. It's going to look like almost brown, right? At this point, like oxidized.

And then anything else is just going to be like caked on. It's going to look like he's just dirty. So Saturday, September 19th, 2009 at 1am, police have given the rich, rich man national airport, Richard's photo. Oh, good. Because they're like, he's going to try to hop on a plane and go back to California. Absolutely. So he's found a sleep in on a plane and go back to California. Absolutely.

So he's found a sleep in the baggage claim at the airport. They have surveillance photos of this. We'll post them. Yeah. Of this little fucker like sleeping in the baggage plane. And they just come and get him and he's just like, yeah, like whatever. So again, he was ready to just skip town. So they arrest him.

He's charged with the murder of Mark. Because again, they usually only charge, like they're not going to throw all the charges on him, they want something that they can hold him on. And they know they can hold him for Mark, because he stole his car. So they did that and just initially to keep hold him. And they also charged him with the grand theft,

like Larsini, auto of the car, and robbery for taking money from as well. Right. So they can definitely keep them. Yeah. So the autopsy's were done Monday, September 21st, 2009. They showed that Bluntforce trauma to the heads with what they thought was either a sledgehammer, a ball-peen hammer, or a wood-splitting ball, which I had to look it up. I was going to say say what is that? It's basically an axe, essentially.

Oh, okay. Like a really intense axe. They said they couldn't determine exactly, but something else they don't think out. They do, he says, well, thank you. Thank you. None of them could be identified from sight, because all of them were literally demolished.

Oh my God. Like nothing was left. Reage. They think Deborah, Melanie and Emma were killed on that Wednesday. So pretty quick. That was at the night of the concert. That was a day after the concert. Okay.

So the same night at 1 a.m. that they're resting, Richard from the airport, they get a search warrant and enter Richard's home in California. Okay. So they're taking his computer, they're taking everything. So his family is just waking up at 1 a.m. to police being like, hi, we have a search warrant because your son murdered four people. Oh my goodness. And they're like, what?

And he's in West Virginia. Excuse me. So they get his computer, they get everything. October 19th, 2009, he was indicted on six counts of capital murder. He got the two extra counts, not sure for what exactly, but it was because of how brutal the murders were. They tacked on two extra ones. I didn't know you could do that.

And possibly because he might have done something after the deaths. We don't know exactly. The reason we don't know is because it didn't go to trial. So we don't have court documents to tell us all the details about this. We're just getting leaks from like little things. Yeah. So there was copious amounts of evidence and witnesses against him. Yeah. I mean, like everybody was a slam dunk of a case. He would be fucked. So he got an attorney and the guy was like, yeah, you have to plead out. We're not going to trial because you're going to be put to death. And it will just

be a waste of time. Yeah, there were like, it's a waste of time and money and they're going to kill you. Like they'll put you in the electric chair. So no trial, which is how we don't have all the information. I don't know if this is a stupid question. Even if you plead guilty, like, you're still sentenced. So even if he like didn't go to trial, could he still be sentenced to death? No, because the part of the plea deal is to avoid death. Oh, okay. That the part of the plea deal is to avoid death. Oh, okay. So the plea, he

pled guilty to two counts of capital murder and two counts of first degree murder. Four life sentences is what he got. And he waived his right to an appeal. Okay, so he's not coming no matter what. Now, just a few little like last things, talking about my space, on September 15th. So only three days after the concert, I think. So yeah, he must have killed them four days after the concert, I think. So he hung out there for a long time. So he hung out there for a few days, because on September 15th at 7.52 a.m. who was it? It was Emma wrote on my space. I made so many friends that night. Ha ha. And Sam says hi. And then she wrote, I can't wait till next year. I'll be driving next time. Oh my goodness. That's really sad. And that just like really like oh, you're not, you're not

even going to make it until tonight. Like I'm pretty sure that was the night. Oh, that gave me chills. So just going into like the horror core rap thing, I just wanna go into it a little bit. Of course people immediately blamed horror core for this. Yeah, which is not fair. The first thing that happened. This is just some slighted asshole. Exactly.

And his stuff is still up. You can listen to his raps. You can hear his stuff. I don't want to. They're terrible. Yeah, he to his wraps. You can hear his stuff. I don't want to. They're terrible. Yeah, he's not good. No matter. It's no wonder that you weren't signed, Psycho.

So one of the lyrics that I just wanted to put out there that just gives you an insight into maybe his psyche. You're not the first just to let you know. I've killed many people and I kill them real slow. It's the best feeling watching their last breath, stabbing and stabbing till there's nothing left. Oh, wow. And that was written before.

Before. So he just song called My Dark Side. He also took, there's a YouTube video where he's taking pictures laughing at a Marine's grave and defiling social graves and like laughing about it. Oh. So he was a piece of shit.

Yeah, he was not this like passive load on it. That's the thing. So it's like he was putting this little persona out to who he needed to and then in real, like I think that was it. The real him was the psychosam. I agree. It was this meek passive person that he was portraying

as a sod. That's how I feel. I think so too. You can't defile a fucking grave and call yourself passive and be brave. Like what the fuck? Thank goodness he has four life sentences. Like God only knows what he would do.

You're thankful for him too, because if you ever walked out of there, fucker, do you know you've had like, you would have so many people after you? Seriously. So back to Rosicale, the artist, you're gonna send a broadcast of the music out there. She said about the killings.

She said although horror core music is all about murder, all about that stuff, she said, we, no one in my circle and me are going to write a rap about this because she's been asked this like a million times. That would be in the rap. So fucked up in my opinion. And she said, quote, people can call it hypocritical, but I call it respect. I'm not going to talk about people I loved like that. It would be disrespectful.

She also said, we wrap about it and it finally happens. It should be like a slap in our face, right? Well, no, shit happens. Which I was like, love. Um, Rosicale, I think, what, I think it came out. It didn't come out, I think. Poor L. Definitely came out poorly It didn't come out, I think. Poorly.

Poorly. Definitely came out poorly, like if you could maybe go, woo, woo. And then you definitely should have a shit happen. And then you definitely should have a shit happen about four people being brutally murdered. What you should say is, was it our fault? No.

Is it Richard's fault? Yes. The end. It's like, that's it. Like, you don't say shit happens. No. This isn't shit happens, this is Richard happened. Right.

And the only person to blame is Richard happened. Right. And the only person to blame here is Richard. Right. 100% Richard McCloskey III is to blame. So either way, Rosicale was really close with Melanie and Emma. She says she knew that Richard and Emma were talking for a long time and we're like flirting and that there was something there. But she said she never once heard Emma refer to him as her boyfriend. Yeah. But she said she did hear Richard refer to Emma as his girlfriend. Which is like, uh, now about psychosam about Richard. Yeah.

This is interesting because this is what a lot of people said. And I'm almost like, I almost feel like he did let a lot of people like push him around in his life, and this like, it was a tribute to a buildup of aggression. Cause she says, quote, this sounds kind of messed up, but to me, it would make more sense if some random person would have broken into that house and did all that before it makes sense that Sam did it.

You could push over this kid and walk all over him. Yeah. So it seems to me like he just was that. Now, Razekel herself is now a part of shrunken head entertainment. And she still do an earth damn thing. So Sam's own sister said, quote, he was extremely passive. So just hearing that my brother is the main suspect just really blows my mind. Yeah, passive. That's the one thing everybody in his life described him as passive, letting people walk all over him.

Weird. Yeah. So, Richard's lawyer did release finally a statement from him because again, no trial, we don't get anything. It kind of, it's good for the victim's families. Right. Because they don't have to go through the trial. That's great.

But they also don't get to hear any kind of information that could maybe help them or get any apology or apology. Anything. So he did get a statement from him about what happened. Basically, what he said was that he was in a full rage after that concert. Uh-huh. He admitted he was he saw texts between Emma and another girl, another guy. She was flirting with other guys. She had rejected him. Because she was fucking angry. So he said September 14th or 15th, he was drinking, smoking weed, and taking pills. And he said, buy himself at night.

It's also that, can you not do that in my house? Exactly. Like you're a fucking house guest. And he said he killed Melanie first because she was asleep on the couch. So she just collateral. They're all collateral damage. Emma was the one he wanted. He can't just kill Emma though.

No. And then Deborah Kelly was killed upstairs and then Emma was killed in the bedroom downstairs. They were all dead before 3am. That night. That was creepy. He then attacked and killed Mark September 17th when he showed up.

The bodies were in the room's dead during those welfare checks. He had dragged Melanie and Mark into Emma's room. He said he thought about killing himself, but no, he didn't. Because he fucking hung out in the... No, you didn't. No, you didn't. Like fuck right off with that. I thought about that. I thought about killing that. No, you didn't. I hate when they throw that at him. You didn't.

And even if you did, like, shet the fuck up. You took a tool and demolished four people's heads into their ground and then left them and sat in their house for days, and you couldn't kill yourself? Right, I don't believe that. I don't believe that. You didn't want to. And you're fine with it.

Like, he's an actual piece of shit. I agree. So yeah, so he's like, I thought about killing myself, but he didn't. He then confirmed that what he used was a wood splitting ball. Oh, so the worst of the worst that you exactly imagine. And his whole thing for this was he said it's a very heavy item, which it is. It's the heaviest out of all of them. I think it's like eight pounds or something. Oh wow. And he said he thought it would knock them out quickly and they wouldn't suffer. What do you mean they wouldn't suffer?

They were like, they were slidged up beyond recognition. They were a legend to death. Right. And you thought that was gonna be quick, like no, you had no, no intentions of making this quick. Just like his regular life, he doesn't know what persona to go with. Am I the evil, you know, horror core guy

who just lived out my fantasy of killing people or am I like whoops I'm so self-conscious and meek and passive and everybody rejected me and I was sad so I got mad So I just wanted to kill them, but I wanted to do it really humanely What no with this with a no as I call the wood splitting acts and then during a Hearing that he was at he was smiling at reporters That's just got out of prison van, he was smirking. And his lawyer was trying to be like, it was a nervous smirk. No, fuck right off.

There is a very big difference between a nervous smirk and a smirk. Exactly. You can usually tell the difference. I don't believe for one second that a guy who can brutally bludgeoned two adults and two, like, girls that he was friends with. Is nervous. Is nervous ever. And I don't believe that at all. If we really want to go with that theory, if you're somebody that nervous smiles, you

know that you're nervous smiles. Exactly. So keep your fucking head down as you get out of that. Exactly. That's the thing. Because I'm terrible. Because you are. I'm terrible with that stuff.

Like, at a funeral, I will literally have to sit there and like stop. I was going to like- I was going to say, like,'m in, I'm terrible. I'm terrible with that stuff. Like at a funeral, I will literally have to sit there and like, I was constantly, like, I'm terrible. And it's just, my brain goes to a weird place. I don't know what it is. The walking phoenix. But I know that. And I know it's offensive to those around me

and people don't understand it. So you keep your head down. So I keep my shit together. And then I just like, let it loose in the car. For like, I just scream or something. I don't know. So another little quick aside, three of his letters that he had written in 2011 from prison.

He did it for a murder bilia crime collector called serial killer ink. And they brought $15 in for him. Like, so they were priced at $15. And then a site called Dark Vomit. Put them up on their site for twice that price. $30. So an autograph photo of him went for $25.

Who the fuck? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know. I understand like, to a point wanting to buy like one of those John Waste, what John Wayne Gacy paintings, I guess. I can, in a weird part of my mind, I understand that one,

not this little fuck. This is like, I don't get that. Really? This pussy? This one I don't get. Like you. I don't get it. And I don't, I have a weird relationship

with that like murder, Belia shit. Anyways, like I, I, I personally am so not for it. Yeah, it's one of those things that's just like, there's just don't know. There's little things that I guess I can find excusable, not really, personally. And personally. And personally.

And suddenly, you can kind of put yourself in someone else's. Usually you're the one that can kind of explain it to me, but it doesn't sit right with me. Yeah, in this particularly, these kind of things, it's like, no. No, no. And if that's your thing, like, okay, but like, fuck, don't buy his shit.

No, no, like, don't do it. And there's a law that he can't profit off of it. So it's still, fuck. Well, that's the thing. Where does that money go? A kid, whoever does profit off of it, can like give it, they could try to give it back to him to use for like, commissary money money to like buy cigarettes or something. Like stupid. But just to leave you on like,

that's kind of a sad, but also like the victims note. Yeah, I don't know how to do that. Debra was remembered as a kind and caring professor who would push her students to greatness, had devoted her life to understanding criminals and their victims. Weird.

People said it's very ironic that she ended up in this situation. As a kid, people who knew her said she would pretend to be a professor to her dolls. So she wanted to be one for her whole life. She would also have her students over for cookouts to her home. That's precious.

And started the criminal justice fraternity at her college that she taught at. So good for her. About Emma, people said her smile came from her mother, beautiful, genuine, and radiant. And as for Mark, Mark was known as like this amazing guy, he was known as an amazing father. People loved him at the church. He was just a kind person. Yeah. They said Debra and Mark were a wonderful couple, even though they were going through this issue right now, they were working together on it and they were like wonderful couple, even though they were going through this issue right now,

they were working together on it, and they were like, it was kind of like impressive to see them. They seemed just like very understanding people. They did, and they seemed like they were just trying to learn how to deal with this thing, that neither one of them, I'm sure, had any idea how to deal with.

And then Melanie was also known as like a super sweet, super caring girl, made tons of friends super close to her parents obviously like her mom was like going to the ends of the earth for her so It's so tragic. Yeah, I've never heard of that case before. It's a case of this kid getting his ego bruised when he had built up a fantasy world That no one else knew about It's like another in cell. It's truly like that. It's like he just, he blamed her for his own delusions of this relationship

without even, he didn't even talk to her about it. These are the kind of cases that infuriate me on like a different level. So many levels. Because these men think that they're owed something. Oh yeah, this guy definitely thought of me. And he's not a man. He was owed something.

Yeah. And a lot of people from his hometown said that he was bragging too, about like he was gonna go out there and he was gonna finally be able to sleep with his 16 year old girlfriend. Which is also like, ew. So, this is all ego.

It's all ego, it's all bruised ego. It's a kid who has this tough guy persona who thinks that he's, but he deserves what he wants. And I don't like that whole passive thing because if you're sitting around town like talking about, yeah, you're going to sleep with your 16 year old girlfriend, you're not passive. And you're not, you're going to get charged for statutory rape. So you and fork, you know, six counts of capital murder. That too, so does that. Wow. So yeah, that's the Farmville murders. Nuts.

It blew my mind that I had never heard of it. Wow, me either. Yeah. I looked deep into the recesses of the internet for this, we love that. Well, if you would like to see some of the pictures that Elena mentioned, we will be posting. You can do so on Instagram.

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