Morbid - Episode 195: Tony Costa, The Cape Cod Vampire Part 2

Episode Date: December 21, 2020

We’re all up in your ear meat for the second time this week, and we’ve brought you the conclusion to the tale of Tony Chop Chop. Please whip out a notebook and get ready to write as fast as humanly possible to keep track of all the stories Tony fed to the police. Part two will go over what went down after Tony was apprehended, about 642 stories he used to cover his tracks and ultimately the trial and aftermath while Tony was incarcerated. This guy is a straight up doozy, keeping it weird in the worst possible way.  As always, thank you to our sponsors: Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code MORBID to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Thrive Market: Go to Thrive Market.com/MORBID Join today and you’ll get a FREE gift of your choosing, up to $24 dollars in value. Better Help: BetterHELP wants you to start living a happier life TODAY,  get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/Morbid Simplisafe: Right now, our listeners get a FREE home security camera, when you purchase a SimpliSafe system at SIMPLISAFE.com/morbid See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yes, you're right. Yeah. But you know, guys, it's the end of the week. It's right before the holidays. So we're trying. We are just crazy. We're trying. I'm looking at my Christmas countdown,

and it's the end of the day right now, and it says, it says six, but I think it's technically five days till Christmas right now. And then that means like, there's only a few more hours of that. So realistically, there's only four days till Christmas, and oh my god, I'm fucking panicking. Yeah, that gives me a lot of stress,

hives happening right now. We were just like, what are we supposed to do for Christmas Eve since we can't do anything? Since we can't see any of our family. So what do we do together? We're all just, you know, we're all in this together, guys. Everybody feels it. And sing about it this time.

I'm here to just give you the best holiday gift I can give you, which is the story of this turd pile. Yeah, and I'll have one for you next week, even before Christmas, so... And it's a crazy one. Going to be gnarly. It's the holiday season. Oh, you did a good job.

I had to do it. It's the head to do it. You're so cute. The little smirk was great. I had to do it. So, yeah, so we did part two of the Tony Costa case, Tony Chop Chop, the vampire of Cape Cod, the Cape Cod Casanova, if you will. I forgot that they called him not. Yeah, they sure did. I like Tony Chop Chop though.

That's my favorite. That one's really cute. Because it could be like, is he a murderer? Is he a butcher? He need to hurry up. Yeah, or like, is he a butcher? Yeah. Go to Tony Chop Chop's place.y as the best prime rib they got You just don't know what you're getting with Tony He also gets another nickname in prison later and we'll talk about that when we get to it But just to give you like a quick little recap of just where we left off so you're not like wait Where are we? They have just discovered the bodies of Patricia Walsh

They have just discovered the bodies of Patricia Walsh, Marion Waisaki, sorry, I almost said Walsaki for some word reason, and that is not her name. There's Wals here. Marion Waisaki, Patricia Walsh, Sydney Monson and Susan Perry. They were all like young girls, all of them had like similar looks, they were all like very pretty,

you know, just like 60s chicks. Yeah, and there's like 20 central in the garden. And we also have another body like outside of the garden. Well, those are all found technically within like the same area of the garden. Uh-huh. So Susan Perry was found a little outside of the garden. Uh-huh. She had been there for a long time.

Yeah. We also found Patricia Walsh and Maryann Wysocki in the garden, next to Lagan Graves and next to each other, and then underneath the two of them, we found Sydney Monson, who had been there even longer. So we have four dead bodies here. We have pretty much confirmed through dental records that the two freshest ones were Maryann Waisaki and Patricia Walsh.

They had gone missing in Provincetown. They lived in Provincetown, Rhode Island. They were just there on like a quick little getaway. They were staying at a rooming house in P-town and they came across Tony Costa. They were never seen again. Yeah. So they were found, unfortunately, dead.

They were all four of them were found dismembered and at least like eight pieces each. Susan Perry, I believe her head was in like a plastic bag. It was brutal. And they were like a lot of like crazy, like cutting up marks which we'll talk about that too, because we're going to talk about the autopsy reports. They all had a very similar weird, there was something there. There was a pathology

there that this person who killed them definitely was going through. So when we left, they had just picked up Tony for felony automobile theft because he had actually stolen Marion and Patricia's VW bug. Yes. And he told about a hundred different stories about it. And that doesn't stop, by the way. I made sure to keep all this different stories, he tells, just so you can see how many times he changed his story. It's truly outrageous.

I've never seen this in another case. No, even in that last part, I was like, Jesus Christ, there was at least five story changes. And he seems to have no qualms about it. Like he's just like, I didn't tell the truth. So let me tell you what really happened. Because I also think that he gets some kind of satisfaction like watching them trying to keep teasing them.

He's using pieces. Yeah, because at one point, one of the officers is like, wait, so did they go to Canada or did they go to LA? And he gets, and he's like, what? And he's like, well, you've told me about a hundred different stories. I'm just trying to remember which one is the right one. Right.

So I think he does like that he's confusing the hell out of them and marring the investigation with his bullshit. Like a jerk. He's a jerk. He was a jerk. Ha ha. Spoiler alert. So last we had, he was arrested.

They were charging him with murder, because they were going to keep him. So now they're going to talk to a bunch of people around him because they need to get more than the Circumstantial evidence that they have right now. They have evidence, but it's nothing concrete. They need to tie him directly to these bodies. So we had mentioned in the first part. He seems to be around a lot of women who disappear randomly. One of them was named Christine Galant, who was found in her bathtub in New York. Supposedly she OD'd.

He was in a relationship with her. Supposedly he like deeply loved her, was like obsessed with her. Is she though? He referenced her in the letter that they found torn out. Yes. And the waste basket of the boarding house. Exactly. See you're on it. In the waste basket of the boarding house. Exactly.

See you're on it. I know. Yeah, he references her. Avis is ex-wife, who at the time I think was like 20 years old, but they married when she was 14. In case you don't remember from the first part. Avis had said like, when we were not together, because their marriage kind of started falling apart

pretty quick. And when they were having troubles, they would each step out on each other. They would bring like lovers into the home. And one of these, one of the ones that he was going with was Christine Galant, and if she was like, he loved her. Like he confided in me that he loved her. Yeah.

That's interesting. It's a lot. It's definitely a lot. But so they spoke to a friend of his who said they were introduced to Tony through Christine Goulant. So they wanted to get more information about all this. Now they were like, okay, like that's strange that there's more connections here with Christine involved in some of his friends and how he got to know these people.

So they had also founded newspaper clipping about her death in his wallet when they booked him. So they were like, that's weird. It could be looked at as like, he obviously loved her. Sure, that's like traumatic if you lose someone you love like that. Maybe you, I don't know why you would keep the newspaper clipping about her OD deaths. But like, if anything, you would keep like the obituary. Exactly.

That's the thing. That's the little memorial card, not like, this is how she was killed. I mean, that would be me. I definitely wouldn't keep the, like, sad, probably at the time, sensationalistic newspaper article about somebody dying in a bathtub. And less I did it.

Yeah, unless you did it and you like being able to look at it, I'm just saying. So here we are in Patricia Walsh and Marianne Waisaki, they're identified by dental records. So we know that the two freshest ones found side by side are Patricia and Marianne, who we have been missing since Providence. The two, you know, more decomposed ones, the ones found under Patricia and Marianne and the one found a little bit further away. Those ones, even though we know now

that they were Sydney, Monson and Susan Perry, they weren't identified yet. We had no idea who those were. That makes sense. So the families of the, the girls actually had on and off boyfriends, Marianne and Patricia. Yeah, you had said that.

Yeah, so they were like, they were talking with police the entire time. The families and off boyfriends, Marianne and Patricia. Yeah, you had said that. Yeah, so they were like, they were talking with police the entire time. The families and the boyfriends. They were doing like suspects at one point. Absolutely. And they were doing their own like investigations. Like the boyfriends sounded like they were like really, like it was really sad.

Oh. And actually Patricia lived with her boyfriend, Bob. And she grew up at a very Catholic household, and so her parents didn't know that they were living together. They found out after all of this, and it was like, what a way to find out. Seriously.

And at that point, it's like just like, it's like just like, honestly. And he had actually got her name tattooed on him only weeks earlier. Stop. And when he talked to police, they discovered that through the timeline, they figured out that the timeline was such that he was being tattooed with his surprise for Patricia. No.

While she was being murdered. No. Yeah. Okay, it's so crazy because people do say that's like a bad old man to get your same different, like, another's name tattooed on you. That takes it to a whole nother level. Like that gave me chills. And just to be clear, I'm not saying it's a bad omen. I'm just saying it's just like one of those things that's been said all the time. But like wow, yeah, that's hard.

No, that like really like broke my heart. So Tony was arraigned and the judge ordered 35 days in bridge water. So the hospital. Yeah, yeah. We all know about bridge water mass Tuesday. It's hell yeah. He needed to be psychologically evaluated obviously because these crimes you're looking at them and you're like dismemberment all this like their heinous something has to be going on here and they were beaten like exactly exactly there's a lot of weird little pathologies here. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill or are they made to kill? I'm Candice DeLong and on my podcast Killer Psychie Daily which you can find

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She was dismembered into four pieces. Her face was badly lacerated. Ooh. Yeah. And she had the same cut down the chest with the skin flayed back onto the shoulders. I forgot about that part. Yeah.

They all had that, and the doctors ended up calling it the sweater effect. Oh, I don't want that. Her kidneys were not found. Her internal genitalia had been eviscerated. I'm sorry, what? And they couldn't determine exact cause of death because the deterioration of the remains, but it was said that it was death by traumatic injuries.

Wow. Yeah. And so they sent her hand to the state police to take prints as well. And they had done that with the other identified, unidentified body. They had found like a couple of weeks earlier. That was the one that was a little bit away. Now Patricia's autopsy showed swelling and bruising on her forehead and left cheek. They found a small gunshot wound to the back of her neck. Oh, wow. The bullet had entered the back of the neck and made its way into her mouth and left cheek. They found a small gunshot wound to the back of her neck.

Oh wow. The bullet had entered the back of the neck and made its way into her mouth and into her left cheek. The same chest flaying and the eighth rib was broken. There was three deep and violent stab wounds on her chest as well. Another stab to the left of her spine and it had severed a major artery that was close to her heart. Yeah. Her liver was stabbed twice and across the buttocks and legs were a ton like you were saying a ton of deep like vicious slices. Weird.

Like lacerations. It's also really odd to shoot somebody and then stab them. Yeah. That's over. Well, we'll find out somewhat about what happened. And it that'll come clear. It doesn't have a theory. It's not OK.

But so what's weird is these lacerations to the legs seem to have been done post-mortem, because there was no hemorrhaging around it, nothing. So this is strange. Yeah, it's just very weird. She had no injury to her genitalia. Okay, so there's that. Now Mary Ann had bruising her injury to the face, or excuse me, she had no bruising her injury to the face except for a broken nose. Okay. There was a bullet wound against the

occipital bone to the back of her head and a second bullet wound behind her left ear. Wow. She survived the first gunshot. They figured out. And they said this gunshot was done while she was running away from her killer. That was my theory. And the second shot was done while she was on her knees. Execution?

Yep, because the bullet appeared to be done at close range, and while the killer was clearly standing above her head. Oh, wow. She had the same chest fling, same sweater effect. Right side of the chest had five deep stab wounds. A puncture hole beneath her left shoulder blade and a stab to her liver as well. A puncture hole is different than being stabbed.

Yeah, it wasn't like a stab, it was like a puncture. Like it was something like a screwdriver. Yeah, just something else. That wasn't like a stab, it was like a puncture. Like it was something like a screwdriver or something. Yeah, just something else. That wasn't that, yeah, it's very strange. This is even stranger. Oh. He had cut an outline of skin from her pelvis that made it look like underwear.

So she had removed the skin on her pelvis in to look like underwear. Wow. Yeah. This is bizarre and you would almost, I don't know if this is just me being like weird or like misinformed, but you almost would think that he had some kind of background and like like not surgery, but well that you would think that because you're like, wow, you're doing so much like dissection to live with it, but he was bad at it. Okay. In fact, the doctor said this is someone with no

medical background. Okay. Like there was points where when he dismembered, he, he like cut through vertebrae. Oh, he's. So like he would cut like into the middle of a verte, like which is not, like, why would you do that? That's really difficult. Yeah, it's just a really weird thing to end it sloppy as well. Yeah. So yeah, he was saying, but I guess this was done pretty, I mean, that takes time. Yeah, that's what he had to do here. He sat there and like flayed the skin in that shape. He really liked to do that, or at least you could assume maybe they're butcher,

like what? Yeah, and he was none of that. Yeah, he's not a man. Yeah, he's a handyman, happy. And her legs were slashed like the other ones as well. And they discovered she was stabbed while in the process of dying. Oh, yeah.

Wow. Yeah. So both Patricia and Marianne showed signs of having been raped post-mortem. Oh, necrophilia. Mm-hmm. Yep. We'll get back to that later.

Now remember, we just found out that they died from, or at least were shot with the gun before they died. Right. Well, do you remember in the first part when Tony first said his 100 stories about how he became into possession of the VW van or the bug? He mentioned in one version that he, a guy named Steve, and a guy named Timmy, went out into the forest,

we went out into the forest and found the car. Yes. The police talked to them. They heard the weird stories about Tony being a creep. And Timmy Ackins mentioned that Tony had wanted to sell him a gun at some point. Yes. It was Tim who said, or excuse me, it was Steve who said not to buy it, because he feared that it was hot or tied to some crime or something. So he was like, yeah, don't do it. Always trust your gut, we eat. Well, so they bring Atkins back in to ask him more about this 22 gun that Tony wanted to sell him.

Same story he said he didn't buy it, but then it came up during this conversation that Atkins, so Timmy Atkins, had gone out of, he had gone out of town to Connecticut last year with an 18-year-old girl named Susan Perry. What? Yeah. Does that sound familiar? Uh-huh, it does. Now, Susan Perry, in case you're like, which one is she? Her mother is the one that she had reported her missing as soon as that unidentified girl was found initially in Tony's garden

But her mom was the one where it was like six months later She was the one that was like well hippies are weird. So yeah, I didn't report her missing Right she was the one that we were like yeah mom. Yeah, yeah But they asked if Tony had come they were like okay, so you went out of town to Connecticut with this girl that Was missing and again at this point. They don't know if that's her, not that unidentified body. But they're like, weird. Like, she's missing. Now, you're connected to her.

And then they were like, wait a second. Because at this point, they don't know Tony has anything to do with her. Yeah. So they were like, wait a second. Did Tony come in contact with her? And he says, actually, yeah, I heard she had gone to dead him around Labor Day to stay with Tony. I was gonna say, because they like dated or something, right?

Yes. And he said no one had seen her after that. Lee. So the police were stunned. They were like, oh shit. Like this for that golden. Why is Tony connected to all of these missing girls? So they spoke to another friend of Tony's.

And he also confirmed that he had known Susan Perry was living with Tony and denim around Labor Day and then he said he saw Tony one day and I think he said He saw him like on like the common or something which is just funny to hear all these places that were like yeah I know there. I know it's also really funny for me because I worked in all these places. I know Like I used to walk through the common to go to work. I literally work in Boston right now. And I also used to work in debt over there. And it's just so weird.

It is. And so he said he saw Tony one day and he's like, oh, where's Susan? I haven't seen her in a little while. And he told him she had a bad LSD trip and then ran off to Mexico. Why are all these people going to Mexico and Canada? Well, it's like after they chill with you. She just had a bad LSD trip and then ran off to Mexico. Why are all these people going to Mexico and Canada? Well, it's like after they chill with you. Like, she just had a bad LSD trip and there was like, gotta leave the country.

I mean, that shit will change you later. So now people, after all this, now that these bodies are found and it's all over everywhere, I mean, the news is going crazy. So now people start calling from all over New England saying my teen girl went missing and was in P-town or Toronto around the area.

Uh-oh. But the police are obviously focused now on Susan Perry and Sidney Monzen because there's connections here. Yeah. So tourists are trying to see the gravesites now, like, which like I get it. But it makes it hard to conduct an investigation. In the middle of an investigation, hold off.

It's not time yet. You're being ruled off. Like, too soon. Some say, strike while the iron is hot. That doesn't apply to murder scenes. Yeah, you just let the investigators do their thing. Let some wounds heal a little bit. Give it a year.

You know what, now? In 2020, the year of our Lord It's fine to go now like we're far past it. It's okay like next time I go to P town I'm stopping in. Yeah, we're gonna find that hell yeah, it's gonna we're gonna make a road trip Don't worry about it, but yeah, so the tourists are really starting to get in on this madness and so much that the chief of Turo police said the press is bad but the tourists are much worse. I believe that. Yeah. They were coming from and people

were coming from everywhere too to try to like help the investigation. You're like no. You're not helping. And of course like Turo and P town and all these places are very tight-knit community. Oh yes. Small towns. So people are also I mean they probably are helping a little bit in some ways because people are trying to be like,

I know this person, and I saw this person with this person trying to make connections for them. Yes, of course. Now, finally, they identified using those fingerprints, it took forever. They were waiting on like pins and needles. I believe it. They finally identified the other two decomposed bodies

as Sydney, Monsonson and Susan Perry. So now shit is like kicking into high gear. They're like, wow, we have four identified bodies and like a very small stretch of land. And they are all connected to Tony, but they can't connect him with like solid shit yet. Yeah. Which is so frustrating. Right. So March 31st, 1969, Tony had his first psychological evaluation at Bridgewater State Hospital.

How'd that go? This is what his report said. Okie doke. During his current period of observation, patient has been cooperative and oriented in all spheres. He appears to be of average intelligence that probably goes up his ass. Oh yes. Oh yeah. You know, he's like, fuck you in that report.

God damn it. With a full scale IQ of 121, the EEG performed here was evaluated as normal. He appeared apprehensive but exhibited very little anxiety. His thought content showed no overvalued ideas and he did not evidence severe depression or suicidal material. His memory for recent and remote events showed no impairment. It is the opinion of the staff that patients chose no sign of an overt psychosis. Is certainly in contact with his surroundings, knows the nature and objects of his charades, and the possible consequence,

and appears to be able to assist counsel in his own defense. All right. So basically they're like, in his own defense. All right. So basically they're like, he's fine. He's fit to stand trial. He's just a dick. And it's like, oh, that's not good for him. Uh-uh. That's not good for him at all.

Like, you need to be labeled insane in this situation. Yeah. You really need it. Because you're going away for a long time and yeah, would help you to go away somewhere else. It is not looking good for him. So they have that now. Well on May 31st They start doing a polygraph exams now these polygraph exams last they like do a ton of them with this guy named Charlie Zimmerman

Sure, he's like very well known. He polygraphed all the Boston Strangler suspects. Oh cool So he's like, you know a big shot. Yeah Yeah. Oh yeah. So they started doing this with him and it was Charlie Zimmerman who actually really got a ton of shit out of Tony. Like kind of built some kind of trust. He really did. So immediately Tony said, like as soon as he came in and was like, we're going to start this, they start doing their baseline thing. Immediately Tony's like, I have not been telling the truth up until this point. No way and it's like he saw the machine I was like I'm not gonna say something and so he was like now, you know I'm gonna tell the truth because I want these tests to be accurate. Oh, yeah, and Charlie Zimmerman's like very nice of you

Awesome. Thanks for always taking my time as soon as they start the question is like do you know who killed these girls? And he's like yes, I'm wasting my time. As soon as they start, the question is, do you know who killed these girls? And he's like, yes I do. Oh. And they're like, oh, okay. And then he was like, it was just one person. And they were like, is that one person you, Tony? And he's like, no. What the hell?

He said, it's Cory DeBrow, of course. Uh-huh. And they were like, okay, like who's that? Now, he gave no motive. Just that Cory is a friend of his. Told him he did it. And then he was like, what's crazy? He just, he used my gun. So that's weird. What? And they were like, did he, he used my gun. So, that's weird.

What? And they were like, did he tell you like what happened? And he was like, no. And they were like, so what did he tell you? And he was like, he just told me he killed all of them. And like, he didn't ask any further questions, Tony. And they were like, well, why did he use your gun? And he was like, he just had it.

Why, though? And they were like, why? And he was like, no further questions. I don't know. Why did you take it back after he killed people with it? Yeah. So then they keep going and weirdly enough, he failed that polygraph exam. That is, you know, just the craziest thing I've heard all day. So Charlie's a moment at this point. And he's like very good psychologically with him because he'll be like, listen, you need to trust me, Tony. You don't need to have trust in your, like, the person administering this test. Yeah. And if you don't trust me, listen, you need to trust me, Tony. You need to have trust in your, like, the person administering this test.

Yeah. And if you don't trust me, like, I can't trust you and blah, blah, blah, like, the whole thing's gonna be fucked up. And he keeps pressing him. And he keeps, like, using the machine being, like, listen, Tony, look right here. It's spiked.

Right. That is telling me not, it's not giving me details, but it's telling me, you know more than you're telling me. Right. And you need, like, fess up or this test isn't going to work. And you said you wanted an accurate test. And every time he does that, he gets a little more out of him. Like it's, it's, it's, it's, I really suggest reading in his garden by Leo Demari because he goes in, like, vivid detail. I mean, it's like an 800 page book or something. It's a lot. He goes in like vivid detail. I mean, it's like an 800 page book or something. Oh wow. He goes in such detail about all of these polygraph exams and the way that he gets that shit out of him is truly, it'll have you like sucked in mind blown. It really is. So he failed that one. So he ends up leaving saying, you know, Tony, I can't complete the test today.

Like you didn't give me the accurate answers. So we'll be back. I love that he's treating him like a straight-up child. He literally, he's like, you didn't do your job. So now we have to come back. No dessert for you tonight. We'll try again tomorrow. Just saying. So June 7th, he has the second polygraph exam.

Okay. So now he's like, now I want to tell the truth. And he was like, but I thought you told me the truth last time. And he's like, well, I didn't, because you showed me. I didn't. He's like, yes. He's like, I know that you know that we know that wasn't the truth. And he was like, but I thought you told me the truth last time. And he's like, well, I didn't, because you showed me I didn't. He's like, yes. So he's like, I know that you know that we know

that wasn't the truth. Exactly. So he's like, here's what happened. He's like, I'm still sick and with Cory to it. And they were like, who the fuck is Cory? But they're like, okay. Do you think he's like, Cory to make it seem like, well, you do know.

But I was like, is he trying to make it seem like he's somebody else? Like he has like multiple personalities. Kind of. Okay. That comes up. Okay. So Cory told him, he was like, Corey just randomly told me like, whoops, I killed a bunch of women.

Can you help me? No. Because I need to get rid of him. No. And Tony was like, okay, sure, I'll accomplish you with murder. Yeah. So he was like, I will just accomplish you

with murder. Thank you very much. But so Tony's like, okay, yeah, sure. And he's like, where did this, where did this occur? And he's like, in your garden, actually, in your marijuana patch. And he was like, his garden. And he was like, all right, all right.

So he said he pulled up to his garden. And there was just a pile of dismembered bodies. He said he literally saw, he goes, it was a pile of dismembered bodies. Stop. And he saw, he goes, it was a pile of dismembered bodies. Stop. And he just pulled up and Tony's just in there like, eh? Like all of them at once, just chill in there.

Like, can you just picture this dude be like, blah? No. Like, oh, we got a thick flip. No. Like, no. Like get out of my face. He didn't just chop up four dead bodies

and then pile them all up on each other and be like, blah. Well, and why were, I'd be like, cool. So why were they like, different levels of decompose? Exactly. And that's other and be like, ugh! Well, and why were, I'd be like, cool. So why were they like different levels of decomposed? Exactly. And that's why they're like, okay, Tony. No. And he was like, so what did you do when you pulled up

and saw this dismembered, you had this pile of dismembered bodies? And he was like, I threw up. It was terrible. Oh. And he was like, I don't know if you know this about me, but and I'm sure the test will show. I hate blood.

Oh. It freaks me out. I get sick. That's a lie. And it was like, didding and it just like spiked immediately. And he was like, well, the test is telling me that no, that it's not Trini's like, well, that's wrong. Mori like runs in the room. He's like, yeah, you're also not the father. He was like, and that's a lot. So now everyone is like, okay, who's Corey? And why would you not say this three months ago when you were arrested, you dumbass.

Yeah, like what? You were arrested for four murders. Why didn't you go, oh hey, I didn't do it, Cory did. Like why didn't you just pull that card out of it? And like then we could have gone and investigated Cory. And you would not be here in Bridgewater State Hospital. Like are you dumb? Or is Cory in your mind?

Well, and he was like, yeah, I didn't think they had that much on us. So I figured I could get both of us out of it. Okay. So this is him being like, I'm smarter than you, I think. So I thought I could like outsmart all of you and get a spell out of it. Even though you think I'm of average intelligence,

I'm way smarter. I'm so much smarter than you. So then there's a third polygraph exam that they have to give him. And this is the one where they start off the same way. He's like, Corey did it, you know, Dattadot. And he was like, do you know how he did it? And he's like, nope, don't know how I did it.

I just showed up, they were dead, whoops. And then this one though, he goes, okay, I have to admit something. So we've got it. Oh, absolutely. This is the third one. Now we're on story number three has come up. Third time is the charm.

So story number three is he's like, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just showed up and all that they were all there. And, you know, I didn't know what to do. So they were like, and he says, so they're like, okay, so did you help him and any, like why did he call you there? Like did you just bury them?

You know, you said they were already cut up and he's like, so I cut them up with him. Okay. And so now we're getting somewhere. Now he's in Charlie, again, Charlie Zimmerman is like getting him more every time. And he keeps saying, he keeps saying, Tony, you were more involved. And he keeps telling him like, this test is showing me that you were more involved.

So just tell me how involved you are. Like, he keeps telling him like, just answer the test is telling me. So he keeps becoming more involved. So just tell me how involved you are. Like he keeps telling him, like just answer the test is telling me. So he keeps becoming more involved. And he keeps admitting more and more. And so they're like, cool, cool. So now they have Dr. Harold Williams, a psychiatrist come in. He studied medicine at Harvard Medical School

and he had done a residency in psychiatry at Mass General Hospital in Boston. And they were like, you need to take a crack at Tony now. Like, let's see what you think. Right. So he said he definitely had like a superiority thing. He thinks he was better and smarter than all those around him, very superior. He thought he avoided human emotions by keeping himself kind of above human contact. Oh.

He was only average intelligence again. He agreed. He's like, he thinks he's really smart. He's really not. Right. And he was like, he uses, you know, ways of speaking that would make him appear intelligent. But they're really just ways to sound smarter.

He probably comes off that way. He probably like picked it up from other smart people. Exactly. It's just parroting other people. Right. And he said, even though he comes off his very superior, he actually has an inferiority complex. I think a lot of people that have,

I think superior, how do you say that? Superiority. Sorry to say that. It is. And inferiority in inferiority is his place. I think they both go into the majority. I think so too. It's like you have to have one tab the other.

And he said, this is why he married a 14 year old, as a grown-ass adult, to make sure that she was always below him and he was always above her. Like that was his way of making sure he's superior. And these girls are all of these girls are younger than him. Exactly, and he's very into teen girls because they stroke his ego when they can feel more superior. Yes. He had trained Avis, his ex-wife, to do things she wasn't comfortable with sexually. We talked about that in the first

episode. Right. He used to, you know, put a bag over her head and like suffocate her until she was unconscious. Or give her tranks and stuff and like sedatives to put her out so that he could have sex with her when she was unconscious because that's what he liked. Yeah, that's really if that's your thing that might be an issue. Exactly. So he saw this as he basically saw this whole thing as practicing for the real thing. Right. He was getting more and more thrills out of this and he was like now I can do it for real. He said Corey was he said the Corey thing was basically, he felt it was like a jekyll and hide situation. Yeah. So he said, quote, this man suffers from a severe

sociopathic personality disturbance. He is a modern day. Marquis de Sade. I didn't know if I said that right. So I found the pronunciation for you guys. And I was just like, just like, hold that up. Just hold it up. Marquis de Sade.

So yeah, he said he's a modern day, Marquis de Sade. I thought I was to say, maybe pronunciation.com is wrong. Well, it's like accent thing. Marquis de Sade. He is, in my opinion, a sexually dangerous man and is capable of committing murder. You don't say, brother. So he was like, ding dong.

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The non-consenting is where it gets weird. No good. That's no good. Nope. Now, as... Like, just a quick aside, as he was trying to convince Charlie Zimmerman that he was like so shocked coming upon the scene of dead bodies, he said, quote, it's not every day I go out into the woods and find something like that right in front of me. It's not part of my metabolism, my makeup, my metabolism.

It's not part of the chemical process in your body cells that aids in if you're burning food to energy. No, it's not It's not part of that. That's not part of my metabolism. I'm shocked. I was just like there you go There's a perfect example of I say big words. I say things that sound eloquent. I don't know what they mean It's like a perfect way to just like there's the evidence. It's not part of my metabolism It's not part of his metabolism. It's not part of his metabolism to come into the woods and find a pile of dead, dismembered bodies. It's not part of most people's or anyone's metabolism

for that matter. I mean, yeah. Like why wouldn't you just say chemical makeup? Because he's dumb. I'm just gonna give it, like even that like doesn't take a lot to say. I will, he's, you know, average intelligence. He's like, it's not part of my sleep pattern.

To do that. It's not part of the calories that I eat daily. So he kept acting like, through this whole thing, he's saying like he had respect for these girls. And he was just helping out by burying them because he didn't want them just to be left out like that. And like, he just wanted to, you know, get them out of sight for goodness sake. They can't just be left out like that. And like, he just wanted to, you know, get them out of sight for goodness sake.

They can't just be left out there. Well, it's like, did you think that he was gonna leave them out there? No. And you listen to this and you're like, you dick. Cause he's sitting there like, ugh. I had great respect for them. How dare you? It's just anything else.

You're expecting me to believe that, what's the other guy's name? George. No, this is Cory. Cory, what's the other guy's name? George. No, this is Cory. Cory, I don't know why, I said George. George, Cory. George, whatever. You're expecting me to believe that this guy killed all these girls and just left them

in a pile while he went to grab you and like didn't think anyone was going to stumble across that pile of dead bodies. No, and you know what? He definitely thinks that because his next story gets even crazier. I'm so excited. So the next story Zimmerman got out of him was all four of them, Maryanne, Patricia, Corey, and Tee, went out to his garden together, all alive, to get heroin, like a shipment of heroin that had been left there, and they had been waiting for it.

And he said when they got there, out there into the woods at 11 p.m., Patricia was so psyched about this heroin. And she wanted some right away because she had done it many times before. Oh yeah, this girl that do years Catholic school students, for sure. Exactly. And Marion was nervous because she had never had heroin, but she was like, oh boy, got to try that heroin.

So she was like, I wanna do it now. And it's like, what? Oh, it doesn't make any sense. So, and apparently Corey, according to Tony, Corey is just this like drug-addled mess. So Corey was like, yes, let's do it together. Is this the Ozarks? What is happening?

He did something scary, I can tell you that. Well, so all three of them are like, I know this is a shipment of heroin that we're all psyched to have and we're going to sell it and we're going to make a lot of money, but like, I want to do it. Which, no. That doesn't make any sense. You've gotten a lot of trouble, I feel. So Tony, of course, said like, guys, I don't want to.

We can't. We can't do a guy. We mustn't. We have to get back. No, for curfew. I cannot. So he said he didn't want to. So he was walking back to the car because you know what, if Tony is one thing, if we've learned something

about Tony, it's that he is straight edge. He is not doing drugs. He's not doing anything like that. Straight edge. Just kidding. He has x's on his hands. Tony's entire defense relies on him being like the heaviest drug user of all time. So, good try. Now, he said, as he's walking back to the car, oh no, I heard a gunshot. Uh-oh. Like, whoa. Then, and he said, this car was only like, like a little ways away, down the road. Yeah. Not a long walk away. Now then they get this whole tale from him about how he ran back after he heard the gunshot. Because what's going on, he ran up upon Patricia's shot on the ground, face down on the ground. And he said she was definitely dead because, you know, he has, he's a medical examiner, so that's good. And Marianne and Cory were just off somewhere,

and he was like, where did they go? So he finds Cory in the woods shooting Marianne. Wow. And he said it was over an argument that occurred over heroin. Within the five minutes that Tony was walking back to the car, they had gotten in such a heated argument over heroin that Marianne had never done before,

that he ended up shooting both of them. That makes perfect sense. It makes a lot of sense. I'm buying it. Then he said, Corey just started wildly stabbing Marion and he was shocked. Yeah, he was shocked. I can see how like he's trying to make it seem

like he was watching this in his head. Oh yeah. He's sitting there sitting there being like I was disgusted. I was shocked. I was frozen in terror. Yeah. Well, and I feel like he's trying to make it seem like later it's gonna come out that he is Corey and it's like oh I'm crazy and I was watching it. Tony's happy. Yeah, Tony's watching it. Yeah. But whatever's occurring in front of me is a my problem. Right. Somebody else. Totally. Exactly.

So here's where it gets even better because he's like, oh my god, he's stabbing Marianne. What's happening? So he goes, I just punched him. Oh my god. I punched Corey because I'm a hero. Well, he has a gun and a knife.

He's literally a punch. Like, you can just seem like, don't call me a hero. I did what anyone would do. Oh my god. That's exactly what he was saying. That's exactly what he was saying. Like, I did what any did what anyone would do. Oh my God. That's exactly what he was saying. But I just knew that's what he was saying. Like I did what any decent human being would do.

I punched him. And he said, and then this is this part, well, I then took his knife and threw it to the side, which that's funny that that will put your fingerprints on the knife and that will account for any fingerprints on the knife. Good job. I mean, there's your intelligence.

Good job. Sorry. He then said he carried Mary in over to Pat, while Cory was like recovering from being punched. Okay. Because he was just so concerned. And then he was like, you know, and then I did help him cut them up after.

But I had such great respect for those girls. Well, and they were like, wait, so you punched Cory in the face because you were so like scared of him and like horrified by what he did and then you helped him cut them up. And he was like, he was like, you know, that's just, that's who I am. I'll just help people. I'm a giver.

Okay, Tony. Okay, Tony Chop Chop, that's fine. So he said, so they're like, okay, what happened next? And he's like, well, you know, he didn't say, so he said, I helped him chop him up. And then he said, I cut up Marianne and Corey cut up Pat. Uh-huh. So now he's, he's getting a little more specific here. He's starting to come down in more details, but they have to pull this out so slowly.

Like over like days, I bet. Now, Sydney and Susan, those two, he said he didn't know anything about their deaths. He didn't know anything about them. He's only confessing to being aware and present for Marianne and Patricia's at this point. He's like, they were just in the pile of that. Yeah, he left that Corey left there. Oh yeah, well now, and that's the other thing.

So they were like, oh yeah, the pile, because they said like, so that whole thing about him just calling you and telling you and you showing up is that. And he was like, yeah, that's rubbish, that's not real. So he's saying that Sydney and Susan were at the heroin thing too. No, he's saying Sydney and Susan weren't anywhere. He doesn't know anything about them. Oh, okay.

Now he's totally retracted that. Jesus Christ, if I was one of these investigators, I'd need to get a notebook. Because now at the heroin thing, it was just him and Corey and Marianne and Patricia. What the fuck? He's focusing on the Providence girls. And now they were like, all right,

so what about Sydney and Susan? And he's like, oh, I don't know anything about them. And they were like, do you know them? And he was like, kind of, like I've been around them and stuff, but I don't know anything about them. Kind of, I just like lived with Susan for a minute. Well, then he was like, oh, you know what? But Corey did tell me that he killed them too.

Yeah. And he was like, oh, okay. So you do know something about them. And he's like, not really. I don't know anything. He did tell me the two other guys named Eddie and Ronald's were also involved in that so now he's just implicating anybody He's ever known I think he's like do you know? Ah fucking Ronald weasley, you know that's not that crazy ginger

He was totally in on this there was this other guy named Neville there, too, and they're just like What is happening? So they're just like, what is happening? Like, so they're like, okay, see you again, Tony. And so they leave for the next one. They come back and he's like, I've changed it again. You know whoever was giving this polygraph test that the guy that was trying to use the movement. He was waking up for work every morning.

Being like, God, I need to call in today. I gotta talk to Tony again. Imagine that job. So the last ones he's been saying that this all occurred on Sunday, on like a Sunday night. Okay. Well now he's like, no, it's not Sunday night. It was actually Saturday during the day that this happened

and then after the shooting and stabbing and all that, they left Mary and Patricia where they lie in the bushes. So they shot them in the middle of the day and stabbed them and left them there. And then he said, we left them there and we came back Saturday night because that's when the bodies would be cooler and easier to dismember because it would be less blood. What? And they were like, okay.

So then again, police are looking into their backgrounds again because they're like, now we got a double check and make sure there's no drug use in their backgrounds. So like really get this story gone? Right, and they had no drug use. Like none, not one. Again, I say, I think it was Patricia that had like smoked weed before and that's it.

Yeah. Now, then they found Corey. Oh, so Corey is there? He's a real person. I did not think he was real. Honestly, reading this, I didn't know if he was really there. He's a real person. I did not think he was real. Honestly, reading this, I didn't know if he was really there. He is a real person. Okay. Now, when they told him, you know, this is what's being said, he was pissed. And he was definitely like, he was a petty thief. He used drugs as well, like they all did the 60s.

Yeah. And, but he didn't have a violent past. Yeah, or anything like close to this on his record. Also, he was only 17 years old. Oh my God, so he's gonna try to get the 17 year old put away for murder? Exactly, and this guy's in his like mid to late 20s. Right, for quadruple murder. Yeah.

Now police knew he didn't do it. They knew that Cory did not do this. And Cory said he didn't even, he was like, I didn't even know Maryann or Patricia. Like I didn't even know who they are. Yeah. The only time I've heard of them is in the news. Right.

And then he's like, I didn't even see Tony that weekend. I haven't seen him for a while. Do you, how did they know each other, do you know? They had just met, I guess, somewhere because Tony liked to hang out with teenagers. So he would end up, and he was like, we like smoked weed a few times and like did some drugs.

Like we didn't, so they were like acquaintances. Yeah, and he was like, we like smoked weed a few times and like did some drugs. Like we didn't. So they were like acquaintances. Yeah. And he was like, we didn't really like, you know, form a ball around. Like he was like, we hung out for a little while, but he's like, he said something about how they stopped hanging out for a while, because actually Corey's parents were like, it's weird that this older guy wants to hang out with you. Like, he'd stop. And he was like, he just was kind of like, not intangent, you know, like he's, I think he had a girlfriend at the time And he said he was spending more time with her. So he pulled away 17-year-old things lots of recess and

When they asked him to take a polygraph at first he was like, I'll get back to you on that Well, cuz that's a scary. It is scary. It is scary But he ends up taking one so like that little wavering in the beginning was probably just a 17-year-old being like Yeah, I do drugs. Are you gonna get me in trouble? Yeah, exactly. He's like, it's the 60s. So July 12th, 1969, he confesses Tony does

to Charlie Zimmerman that he in fact used the knife on Marianne while she was a lot. So now he's saying he killed Marianne. Okay. He said she was gurg. So now he's saying he killed Mary-Anne. Okay. He said she was gurgling after Cory shot her. So everything up until that point he's keeping. And he's going to be a hero, huh? Exactly. He stabbed her to take her out of her misery.

Oh, I knew it. Yep. He said Cory, he said, so I stabbed her once. It was under her breastbone. And he says, I just needed that gurgling to stop and it stopped. So like, I was so happy to hear it stopped because I just couldn't watch her suffer. And then he said suddenly Corey just went bonkers and started stabbing her all over. Because if we remember, Marion had several stab wounds.

Yes. So he says that was also that was Corey. And he also says in this same interview, he was like, and I have something else to tell you. And they were like, what? And he said, I slept with Patricia. But now before. So now you're just trying to like, breath.

You're accounting for that semen that they found. That's what you're doing. I forgot about that. And the way he described it, and I'm just like, wow, this guy. Oh great. He described that night with Patricia as a groovy night. Still.

I just had to like that, like a groovy night. I wish groovy was like still a It can't use adjectives. Let's just let's bring it back bring back groovy 2021. Yes. What was my 2020 strategy was Like tell them off 2020 or something What was it I know column out 2020 now it's bring back groovy 2021 yes, and you know what it belongs in 2021 it better be doesn't That's 20. That's 20. Now it's Bring Brack Groovy 2021. Yes. And you know what? It belongs in 2021.

It better be. It doesn't belong in 2020. So now he's accounting for the fingerprints on the murder weapon. Yes. And the semen. The semen that they found. So he's covering his skulls. He's using his wiles here.

So now he has another story to tell. Oh my God. I don't know if I can take another one. Now he's bringing up Susan Perry again. Okay. And he says, Susan Perry died of an OD of heroin at Cory's house. They're like, that's really weird because we didn't find any needle marks on her arm. Nope. And then he says, Cory's mom actually came home and found her the bathroom like a mess because Cory had dismembered this girl in the bathtub. Yeah. And the mom didn't report that to police.

Like violently dismembered. So he says Corey's mom knows, and the interviewers were like, yeah, and I guess Charlie Zimmerman said he immediately thought that this was something that might have actually happened and that it was Tony who did that and that his mom might know. I think his mom knew a little more than she said. This seems like it might have been him using an actual memory of what happened

and just putting it in his place. Because the mom was, I feel like when she called him, was like, oh, where's his hair drowning? Yeah, I feel like, hmm. There's some weird shit. And honestly, I agree that this could definitely be a real memory that he's conjured up that he is just disassociated from and is using Corey as the vessel for it. But I mean, he's also a nutcase and very well could just be making this up.

He could just be pulling this out of this. Because he seems to be an expert in that. He definitely is. He said Corey took him out. So then he's like, okay, so now Susan has died of no D at his house at Cory's house. Yeah. And he said, Cory told me about it. He's just always telling me about these things.

I'm a great, yes, and I can fight it. And he said, Cory took him out to the garden with him and he said, he actually dug up Susan Perry's body to show him. Yeah, I mean, I get, yeah, totally. Which the interview was like, why though? And he was like, I don't know, proof, but like, he did. So they were like, okay. He's like, I see, did.

So he said about Sydney, Monzen, he said, I know nothing about that. They're like, cool, we'll wait till like next. And they were like, okay, that's fine. And he's like, I do know that Cory said she died. And they were like, so Cory killed her and he was like, no, no, no. She died.

Coryd said she died. He didn't say she killed her. So he martin, of course, he painted all these women as huge drug users. He made sure to paint them. He was trying to paint them almost in the way of they deserved what they got. Yeah, kind of thing.

And this is something he does. He tries to like, I wonder if he was trying to convince himself that. paint them almost in the way of they deserved what they got. Yeah. Kind of thing. And this is something he does. He tries to like, I wonder if he was trying to convince himself that. Oh, he definitely was. Yeah. For sure. So he of course, paint Sidney as a huge drug user too. And said it was, he was like, you know what, she died, apparently around Cory.

And he said, it was probably no D or something. That's so again. So he claimed he barely knew her, Sydney. He hinted at all, and then in the same interview, he hinted about being the cause of Christine Galant's death. And this, Christine is the one who he carries the paper about. Yes. And the reference to the letter.

And then he also hinted that he might have been the cause of Barbara Spalding's death. Barbara Spalding was the girlfriend he moved in with in San Francisco after him and Ava separately. Oh, yeah. And she one day went to drop her child off with her parents and was never seen again. That is crazy.

Yes. So now they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And he's just kind of like hinting at it. Like he's not saying what he did, but it's coming off that way. But I'd done it. And then do you remember in the beginning of the story, how, during the marriage to Avis, she said he just drove out to California once

and like picked up two girls and was driving them to California? Yes, I do remember. Yeah. And they were never seen again. Yeah, so crazy. He labeled them the diggers. Stop.

And he said to Zimmerman about them, quote, one of these times I'll tell you about him if you really want to hear a story. I love that he's acting like their old pals meeting up for coffee at Dunks. And Zimmerman's like, no. He's like, I am actually assigned to this case for a little while and I really don't want to drag it on.

So I'm actually very sick of you to be quiet on this. Just like to let me know right now that'd be so grand. Like it would be so dope of you. So dope. He's like, do you see what I did there? Corey, I mean, so fucking dope. Tony of you. I mean, Corey, Tony, send me things.

He's so groovy. So, Ruby. So, Dr. Harold Williams, who had already said that he was sexually dangerous, he said he was like a lot of these assholes and had to stain for women. That's obviously clear. And he said it was possibly triggered by his mother remarrying quickly and having another child's with this man. I'm very angry at that statement. Oh, 100%. He wasn't saying it's because of that. He's saying in his mind. Oh, yeah. No, that was a betrayal to him. Right. I wasn't. I'm not that like that. That's how Tony interpreted. Yeah, exactly. Like clearly it wasn't that, but like he's saying like in his warped mind, he looks at it as like of the trail.

She betrayed me how dare her. It's like, wow, you should grow up. He wanted women to like be unrealistic pure and chased. Like he wanted them all to be like very like he wanted these women he considered unclean and like not pure. And any other woman that wasn't pure and chased was treated as trashy horse like he's like that's what he was basically looking at them as. Yeah. And he likely was a psychopath who they said would do would ego split, which is basically

that he disassociates during these episodes and he developed a personality labeled Cory, even though Cory is a real person. Yeah. And he did bad things as Cory, but this also allows him to still be Tony, the innocent bystander, that just happens to have all the insider information on to what Cory was doing. I'm telling you to do this really would make a great move. It really would. And he had actually said that the diggers, as he referred to them, were likely murder, like his first murders. And he said they were likely murdered because he was heavily into drugs at that point. And his marriage was crumbling. And so they were like, he has outside things that will trigger him to lose it on, and this is when

these episodes happen. Like he can't handle rejection, he can't handle like chaos in his life. So he says that was probably the reason for that. Then he says living with Barbara Spalding, he was arrested for child support around that time for failing to pay child support. And he said so he probably lost it on Barbara, right, because of that. And he said Sydney Monzen was killed after he was found to be a police informant and his friends had kind of distanced themselves from him. Oh shit. So there's that. And then he killed Susan Perry after another girlfriend had broken up with him. So Williams also theorized that Christine Golansteff could have probably he said he that might have been like a

suicide pact between them that he backed out on. And he said it could have been intentional that he backed out on it or it could have been, he just didn't do it. Interesting. Because what's weird is also she had three burns on her chest. Yeah, you and me on that in the beginning. So there were like some things off there. Right.

There's definitely, he's involved some way in that death. Now what have they theorized for Mary Ann and Patricia? Mary Ann and Patricia, they think that was basically just he just liked it. Yeah. And he said maybe it was just like who knows what that could be. It's wrong place for them. Honestly, it's probably mostly they were going to blame it more on like drugs and, you know, all that stuff. But July 29th, Corey had another or excuse me, Corey had his first polygraph exam. Okay, Corey, because he finally was like, yep, you know what I do it. This is when Corey was like, I'll take a poly.

17 years. Because again, he wavered for a minute, but that's not blame him. His mom had to sign to allow him to do this, because he's literally a child. He passed with flying colors. Yeah. So no fingerprints on Tony's gun, but his own. So they even asked him, they were like, how is Corey's fingerprints not on the gun that he shot them with? And you said you didn't shoot anybody. And what did he have to say about that? And he was like,

I don't know how that could be. That doesn't make any sense. Now over and over and over. In these interviews, Tori said he didn't have sexual relations with, or really any relations with Susan Perry. Okay. Then he finally, he randomly said, okay, I slept with her. Okay. Cool. He also said she drove the car when he robbed the doctor's office that he was doing handyman work for a few years ago.

That's rude of me. So at first he's saying he didn't have any relationship with Susan Perry. Nothing, he barely knew this girl. Didn't, wouldn't be able to pick her out of the lineup. Now he's like a Bonnie in the lot. I slept with her and she was the fucking getaway car in a robbery I did.

Yeah, totally. Like, dude, like you can't, you're not even easing into these truths. You're just like whoops. It's just like totally lied. So he changed the original few stories again, now saying that the murders of Mary Ann and Patricia happened Sunday night again.

Now he's going forward to Sunday instead of Saturday again. All right, I read it. And now he's saying he had nothing to do with it. Okay. And oh wait, he changed it again. He changed it. He was there.

He found Mary Ann wounded in the bushes after hearing a ruckish. A r in the bushes after hearing a ruckish. A ruckish? After hearing a ruckish. He heard such a ruckish halta. I hear a ruckish in there. So he heard a ruckus. And he went into the ruckus and he shot her twice.

So now he's saying a shot her twice. I heard a ruckus and I just said, you know what, bang bang. So then he says, me and Cory ran away and we came back Tuesday. So we just left them where they are for two days. They're like, you know what, drop Corey, because he passed the polygraph. Yeah, and then he says, we came back with two other guys

and they dismembered and buried them. Oh. But he said he didn't cut them up. The others did, because again, he doesn't like blood ash. No. He doesn't like it. No, no, no. One more story.

Back to the original. I'm losing my mind. We're back to the original where he went out there with Cory and the girls and the argument happened while he walked to the car. Except now he said Cory and a guy Eddie returned the following day to dismember and bury them and Tony had absolutely nothing to do with it. He didn't shoot anyone. He didn't stab anyone. He didn't save anyone, he didn't chop anyone up, he didn't bury anyone. He had nothing to do with it. I think my brain is so at capacity for his story is that the only thing I took out of that is that when you said Corey and the girls,

I had a flashback to the today's show performance of Corey and the Angels. I love that you went there. Thank you. I love that you just brought that into my brain. That's just like, that's a little glimpse into how my mind works. Guys, did you watch that? Yeah. We should post that.

We should absolutely post that. I think that's something everybody needs. That's a true crime in and of itself. Truly is. So yeah, we'll post that. Don't worry about it. So now Corey takes another polygraph test. Corey.

Yes, yes, he passes again. He's like, can I not do this again? Because again, after that, I guess we should polygraph him again, because now he's told us 15 more stories about how Corey did. Let's just like quadruple down on that. So now Zimmerman is like, you know, we keep going back and forth. I keep getting stuff from him and then he backs off and he comes back and forth. So he brings in another polygraph examiner. That's like really well known, really good at his jobs, his name is Warren Holmes. And he was like, can you do the interview with me? Yeah, like

maybe it'll help. This guy's a little younger. I don't know. Maybe it'll like, you'll connect a little better. And it's not me because I keep hammering him. Right. So when this guy comes in, he just confesses Tony. Yeah, he's like, all right, I got a lot to tell you. Wow. So he confesses to the murders and says, he doesn't know why he did it, but he wanted a doctor to look into why he did it.

He was like, I need like, I want a psychiatrist to look into why I did it. Alrighty. And then they asked him, they were like, okay, so like Zimmerman comes back in the room and he's like, all right, let's keep asking him questions. He's like, was there a sexual component to this? And Tony said there could have been. There could have been.

He's like, yes. Get that doctor. Just get that doctor. I don't know. So then, so they're like, okay, so he said he felt like it was another person doing it and he was watching them commit the crimes. That's like the most convenient thing. Yeah. He said dismemberment was not sexual to him, but it was fascinating to him,

which is funny because he kept claiming how much he hated blood. Funny because he kept saying that, and funny because I don't think it's fascinating to make underwear on somebody. No, not fascinating. I think you got your rocks off to that. Yeah, I think that's something weird.

So he said he pulled the trigger, and he said he saw no justification for what he did. He said he can't stop thinking about Marianne's gurgling sounds. They keep him up at night. Because they had asked him, they were like, did they cry out or say anything to you? Because a lot of people will say this,

like people will say something before they die and it haunts them forever. And he says, Marianne's gurgling sounds like have kept him up a night. Good. Now, he said what they had all thought all along that Marianne had run when Patricia was shot. Right.

And he chased her down. I believe that. He put one, he said he put one piece, because they had found one piece of Mary Ann in the grave with Patricia. And they were like, was that intentional? Well, no, they were like, was that intentional? Was that to link them in some way, like subconsciously?

And he said, no, it was just a matter of fitting them in. Oh, that's so lovely. He think you're gonna get some kind of like thought-bearing-ing. And he's like, no, I just had to fit them in there. He also said he didn't remember raping them, but maybe he could have. Okay.

And they were like, you did, because there was semen found. So like you did, and he was like probably, but I don't know. And they're like, okay, we'll take it. So during this, the autopsy reports have been finalized. And the belief was that they, so they believe that what happened was that

he had tied Mary Ann and Patricia, either both of them or one of them, up by their feet to a tree branch, the one that they found unseen with blood and like bits of bloody rope on it, to cut them up that way. So he hung them by their feet to dismember them. And as an aside to this, just so it kind of connects a little bit more, Avis had said that one of Tony's fetishes that she was not into was to tie her up from a hook on their ceiling. And would tie her by her legs because it would make the blood rush to her head

and make her pass out, and then he could do whatever he wanted. What the f- Avis is very lucky that she's alive. Avis? I'm sure she's not anymore, but is... Well, I liked this wasn't that long. Yeah, this wasn't that long ago. And she, I mean, yeah, also she was like 14,

but like she's got Angel on her shoulder. Avis. So he was seen at Massachusetts Mental Health Center in Roxbury. He was seen by Dr. Jack E. Walt, and he said Tony was good at showing emotions, but he definitely wasn't feeling them. He was just good at showing what an emotion looks like.

I said he knew how to fain them. He knew it. He said he was very desperate to look passive and not aggressive at all. He was very much trying to portray that. Well, because he's also, this guy is not a hippie at all. He's trying to be a hippie. No, not at all. He was very much trying to portray that. Well, because he's also, this guy is not a hippie at all. He's trying to be a hippie. No, not at all. And he said it was actually,

he did that to the point of being like, he overdoses it. So it's like overdone trying to be this very passive person. I am just a chillist motherfucker in the room. So chill. First things first, I'm the chillist. And you know what? I don't like blood hate it hate it so much so the conclusion he came to was that he had no psychotic condition and was basically just dealing with

quote a severe character disorder but he was not insane okay he finally admitted so he finally got Tony to admit that he remembers sexual contact with the murder victims, but not whether it was before or after they were dead. Gross. Feel like you might remember that, but like, okay. The report did say that his irregular sexual appetite and desires mixed with this his heavy mind-altering drug use could have very well contributed to him committing these crimes.

They said he may be borderline schizophrenia. Ah, borderline. Yeah. They did not diagnose him with it. He did say though that he urged the court to at least consider him being committed to bridge water state hospital for sexually dangerous people, like the wards that deals with that. Yeah.

On March 25th, they had another doctor come into examine him. Dr. Frederick Whiskin from Plymouth. He said he wasn't psychotic, he agreed. But he said he definitely had sexual perversions. He didn't think borderline schizophrenia was accurate. He said it was actually too excessive. Yeah. He said he thought he was borderline personality disorder.

This entire time, that's what I've been thinking with sexual deviation Uh-huh, but they didn't diagnose him with that They were kind of saying like this is what it appears to me and it's it's pretty hard to diagnose people as borderline Isn't it it is it's really hard. Yeah, it's hard to diagnose and hard to treat. Yeah So May 6 1970 his trial began okay Yeah. So May 6, 1970, his trial began. OK. Apparently he was super cold, super, super, super dickish,

but he insisted, in the end, he insisted on making his own statement, which is who gives a shit what you have to say. And so they took him to the murder scene in Truro on one day with the jury, so they can like show the grave. See how he reacts to. He called it quote an enjoyable experience. I believe that.

Yeah. And by now they had found the buried 22 caliber handgun in a plastic bag at the base of that tree. Oh, so they did find it. He did not throw it in the water. He did not throw it in the water. What did he guess? You're in Provincetown and Truro.

And you bury the gun? And you bury the gun in the same place that they found all the evidence like, I'm glad that you're stupid, but wow. Yeah, for real. So yeah, so they found the gun. In court, they realized that the gun had actually been sold to Tony by Corey.

Oh shit, that is bananas. He had sold it to him in 1968 for 20 bucks and the gun actually belonged to Corey's grandfather. Wow. Yeah. So by now they, so the pathologist took the stand because they were like we need to talk about these autopsy reports. He confirmed that the sperm was found in the rectum of both of the girls and the vaginal areas. Oh wow. And he said he could say with pretty good certainty that it was done after death. Yeah. He was actually surprised that it was still able to be found, because he said

normally it doesn't last that long, so he's actually like that tells me more that it's after death. But also it was cold too when they found them, so it did that probably help. Yeah, a little bit, but he was still like it had to have been after dust because there's no way it would be in there that long. Yeah. One witness named Paula gave like a really weird testimony. She said that one time Tony drew something on the inside of her raincoat because he was always like doodling and like hippies man. Yeah. So she said one drawing was like a hash pipe.

Yeah. So she said one drawing was like a hash pipe. Yeah, he said she said one was like a grotesque face That couldn't even be called a real face. She said it was like weird. Okay, then she said the third draw a drawing Was just a body with no arms Yeah, and when they asked if it was a man or a woman she said just a body What the fuck what now his defense relied on his chronic and hardcore drug use. Yeah. As a defense that they, I mean, it is like, that's all they talked about.

It's probably all they had. That is really how you're gonna say. An Avis testified and she was chaotic at best. I feel like Avis would have to be chaotic at this point in her life. Yeah, chaotic at a time on that stand. You read it and I'm gonna be honest because like I'm sure Avis, she's a grown-ass adult. I don't know if she's alive now, but she's grown-ass adult.

Yeah. I'm sure she has a daughter. I'm sure she probably looks back in this a few recruits. Not how she had older self on the stand there. She came onto the stand, holding flowers that she had picked outside. Well, she's a hippie, so... She sure is, but she giggled through her testimony, kept putting her hand up to giggle.

In fact, you probably just got the effect. And it kept covering the microphone. So when she would answering things, she would like, giggle and put her hand up and they kept having to tell her, like, don't put your hands up, I can't hear you. And she would be like, and then at one point, the judge was like, hold your flowers with both your hands.

Like, it was literally like, stop putting your hands up. And then she looked at him and goes, is that an order? Maybe she might have been on drugs, let's be real. Well, she was young first of all. And she was, I mean, and yeah, she was probably on such. I mean, we said the other day, you laugh at funerals, so. Yeah, I mean, yeah. This is a hot, and I say,

I'm sure you look at it now, and it was like, maybe I shouldn't have acted like that. But again, I should have dropped LSD before I fucking did. It was out of trial. And it's out of court, and it's out of court murder trial for my ex-husband and father of my children.

She's like, you know what, the whole thing in and of itself was a bad trip, so I was hoping I could just like reconstruct it. Counter-act it with a good trip. And maybe you'll just get a medium trip so I was hoping I could just like reconstruct it. Counteract it with a good trip. Yeah. And maybe you'll just get a medium trip out of it. I don't know. I don't know.

It's a recipe. Maybe it'll all just cancel out. Give it a shot. She wouldn't answer anything on the stand about her their sex life, which she was probably embarrassed. You can understand. And she said she was like, I don't want to talk about this in front of all these people. Would you get in one thing and then, but like as a totally separate entity,

like being me over here, not knowing any of these people, I'm like, no, you have to, because it's gonna help, like, put him away. Yes, but it's like, I- As a human being. As a human being, you can sit there and be like, yeah, I don't wanna talk about how my,

you know, in her case, how her husband, like, to fucking string her up on a hook in the middle of the room and get her unconscious. Well, also, there's not much that she can really testify about because she was pretty unconscious throughout it all. She was, so she's just like, yeah, okay. Next question.

But then when she left, she blew Tonya kiss and flashed a peace sign. Yeah, see, peace and love, I'm all for, until murder. But not in a murder trap. Until murder. Don't, don't, don't blow kisses and flash. If you take out, okay, see, peace and love, I'm all for until murder. But not in a murder trap. Until murder. Like, don't, don't, don't bloke hisses and flash. If you take out, okay, weird,

because the news is on and say. The news is on in the background. They're talking about born, but that's in the game. But it just flashed the Cape Cod, the garden sign. Yeah, that was real weird. The famous Cape Cod garden sign that we used to see whenever we go to Nanyin Paz house. Oh, I know.

I'm in the bridge. And the bridge, and we go over the bridge that's showing, sorry, little, that's really weird, that that, that's what I was saying. Yeah, that was bridge. And the bridge. And we go over the bridge. That's showing, sorry. That's really weird, though. Yeah, that was weird. So weird that we live in Boston and the news is talking about the cape. So weird.

Also kind of weird, because this is the Rhode Island. Yeah, that is weird. Anyways, not a weird. Weird. Weird. Keep a weird. Weird.

Keep a weird news station. So yeah, she blew a kiss. She flashed a piece sign. When she went outside, she handed the flowers to like a deputy and was like, give him the Tony. Oh, yeah. And then the flowers to like a deputy and was like give him to Tony Oh, yeah, she tried to touch you know what ava fuck yourself and she tried to like touch Tony and they were like stop fucking like no Yeah, no, you know what ava some so it did get a little disappointed. It got a little weird. I

Here I am. I'm hoping ava has has looked has reflected. Yeah, yeah, cuz you were you were young. It was the 60s You know that had a very Charlie Manson-esque, like it very much reminded me of like a man's family girl. Okay, squeaky friends. Yeah, I was like, all right. So Tony made a long-winded statement about drugs for his statement. And it was, but the thing about it was it was very articulate and very coherent.

So the prosecution was like, well, shit, he just proved that he's very safe. He's like, yeah, buddy, that did not work in your favor. That did not help. He's self-evaluating. That's like really good. So May 29th, 1970, he was found guilty of first-degree murder for all four murders and sentenced to two life sentences to be served concurrently in prison served at Walpole Prison. Oh, that is a rough and tough person. Yeah, I was gonna say as soon as I saw Walpole, I was like, ooh, Tony!

How is your time at Walpole? You're not gonna do good at Walpole, Tony. I get scared even like, and I'm not in Walpole, a lot, but like I've been in Walpole before and by, you're like, ah! Passing it, you're like, hope nobody jumps a fence. I'm real scared. Yeah, it's they keep the real tough people here. Oh yeah, that's a tough scene.

So of course, he wanted to do a appeal because of course, because they always do. But he wrote a letter to the judge requesting to do so with a different council because he said he didn't think he had an effective council and he said if he had a different one, he would be able to prove his innocence. Well, that makes sense because this council that he had in the first place like didn't really work out so I really do it. So then he took but then all of a sudden he went back on it and he was like I want to keep my council actually. Well that's not a good plan. And they were like

why did you even do that? And he was like well we have a book deal on the works and I think it would be a conflict of interest. Okay, you're also not going to gain any money from that. Like what the fuck? You giant asshole. And they were like, seriously, you're doing this on like the stance of like a book deal and conflict of interest and he was like, yeah, you know what though back then, I wonder if he was able to profit off that. He actually, I think he would have been able to.

Yeah, because that's pretty recent that you're not able to. But I think he actually signed something that, because his counsel wanted part of it to go to his children. So he was like, but I don't know exactly what happened after that. I'm gonna say something like potentially controversial. I don't think I would want my dad's murder book money. No, no, that's not controversial. I didn't think so.

But people find things controversial. Yeah, I don't know. If you find that controversial, that's weird. But like, yeah, I don't think I would want that either. I'd be like, you know. No, thanks, dad. Honestly, I'd be like, give it to the victims. Yeah, I don't know if you find that controversial that's weird, but like yeah, I don't think I would want that either I'd be like you know, no thanks dad like honestly I'd be like give it to the victims. Yeah, I don't need it. That's where it should be Yeah, like I don't need that shit. So yeah, so he was like yeah, I'm he ended up he obviously he did not get his appeal Like he did not win his appeal. He served at Walpole like we said and they were going through some departmental changes at the time

they were trying to like Do a new program to like really rehabilitate drug offenders? Yeah, and they were going through some departmental changes at the time. They were trying to do a new program to really rehabilitate drug offenders. And Tony thought he was like, oh my God. That applies to me. He's like, I would be so good at this. So he was like, I've been through it all. I can help, I can teach people.

I mean, at least, I guess I could say at least he wanted to help. I think he just wants, I think it's the superior thing. He just wants to be in charge of people. And so they all hated him. Of course. So none of them listened to him, and they were all like, fuck off. I think he just like wants, I think it's the superior thing. He just wants to be in charge of people. Yeah. And so they all hated him. Of course. So none of them listened to him and they were all like, fuck off.

And it was not eventful. They gave him a nickname. His nickname was Choice Cuts. Why? Like Choice Cut of Meat. Oh, because he dismembered people. That's not nice. Yeah, I don't, I don't like that.

It's real fucked. So he did write a memoir in prison. It was called Resurrection. And it said that Patricia and Marian's death were Carl's fault. Who the fuck is Carl? He said Carl was the one who killed them. Well on LSD and Delauded and Costa had subdued him, but Marian was in dead. So he said he had to put her out of her misery and stab her. So he had at least, he remembered one of the other stories. And then he said Carl, and he dismembered and buried them together. This is the first time he had mentioned Carl.

No one knew so the fuck Carl is. No one news. No one news it. No one news it. No one knows it. No one knows. I like that a lot. We don't know. Wow. So he also said in the book that Sydney and Susan

died of drug overdoses and that Carl dismembered and buried them. Who the fuck is Carl? Yeah, he was like, I had no idea what happened to them, really. It was just all Carl. He had nothing to do with that. This is literally the first time he has ever mentioned Carl. I love to that in editor.

It was like, hell yeah, Carl. Hell yeah, Carl. We don't need a backstory. I don't need anything. It's just Carl. No, leave them wanting more. Who's Carl? Who's Carl leaves it open for a sequel.

So May 12, 1974, 29 years old, 8 p.m. in Walpole Prison. Yeah. Guards are making their rounds. Yeah. And they find Tony hanging in his cell by a leather belt. Oh, oh. In the book in his garden by Delio Demore,

he describes him as, quote, cost his eyes bulged. His darkly modeled face was frozen into a grotesque mask. Blood foamed against his gaping lips, from his having bit his own tongue nearly in half. One unless sneaker had been kicked off during his death struggles, revealing a mended white sock. Costa had urinated down the front of his unpressed prison trousers. He's buried in an unmarked grave in St. Peter, the Apostle Cemetery in Provincetown. His garden is still very much a tourism,

like a dark tourist spot. It's behind Pined Grove Cemetery in Truro. It's down a dirt road, and you'll see a tree with an old phone attached to it, and that's where it is. All right, I'll see you there, sister. And that is the story of Tony Chop Chop. I'm bummed that he hanged himself. I I'm bummed that he hanged himself.

I'm really bummed that he hanged himself. Like got that opportunity. Yeah, I was not happy about that. Not the service full sentence, but I, wow. I feel like I have a lot to say, but I can't get my thoughts together because that was so much. It's so much. Well, and just to end this, I did find like a quick little article talking about like some

of the officers, like officer Gunnery, who's the one that like initially was like digging with his hands and his grave. Yeah. And he had to throw his coat on. Yeah, and it's in the barnstable patriot. And in this article, he says about a year before the discoveries in Truro, there was a province town girl that disappeared. And at about the same time, this officer Gunnery said he stopped

Costa on Route 6 for driving a car with a bad muffler and speeding. Oh. He says, quote, he got out of his car and walked over to mine. When that happens, it usually means you don't want to look in the car. Costa was giving a warning about speeding on the promise that he was given a warning on the speeding. and it was on the promise that the muffler would be fixed the next day.

Yeah. Now, Gunnery says, quote, in retrospect of the sequences, I've always wondered whether the body of the missing girl was in the trunk of Costo's car when I stopped him that day. Wow. I had no reason then to think so. But then, I mean, hindsight is 2020. Wow. And you'll never know. But it's like, can you imagine having that on your conscience? No. Like, it is so crazy because it just makes sense because so many of these criminals,

especially these types of criminals will be stopped by police. Exactly. And get somehow get their way out of it with a body or like some of super incriminating in the car. And that's the thing, he says, and I feel so bad for this guy, because like he was the one that I was digging with his hands, like really involved. And he says, but I wonder if I looked in that trunk, if I might have saved the lives of the other victims who followed. And then he says that the first body that he actually unearthed when he was digging with his hands was the one of that original missing girl Wow, yeah, the one and he said the one who might have been in the trunk, right? So and then he said I guess I'll never know

That's like such a So eerie that would also be such a great way to end that movie. I know just I guess I'll never know credits It's like grizzled old never know. Credits. It's like grizzled old officer just being like, a kiss on Never know. And then he lights a cigarette obvious.

Oh, he's got to have the accent. Yeah, I guess on Never know. Yeah. Chitching. Spark one up, buddy. Wow. Wow. So that's, that's the tale of Tony Cust.

I'm here to tell you that was my favorite case you've ever covered. Yeah. I don't know why. I think it's because it's cold. Yeah, because it's cold. You just scared the shit out of me. Ooh, and it just scared us.

I always turn to the other when I get scared. You scared me. You just scared the shit out of lunch never helps. So I hope you guys were horrified by that. And it's a lot about you if you were not. Yeah, if you weren't, and I don't know, like, talk to someone about it. But better help.

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