Morbid - Episode 202: The Tragic Story of Cinnamon Brown

Episode Date: January 23, 2021

Cinnamon Brown was 14 years old when her own father, David Brown, convinced her to carry out the murder of her stepmother, Linda Bailey Brown. Cinnamon was fully convinced and brainwashed into thinking that she wouldn’t do jail time and instead just have to see a psychiatrist. Little did she know, she’d be taken away in cuffs and sent to a California Youth Authority facility for the next 4 years while her father and his new wife cashed in on Linda’s life insurance policy and lived the good life. Don't worry though, Cinnamon came back strong and David got what he deserved.  As always thank you to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/10morbid and use code 10morbid for 10 free meals, including free shipping!” Squarespace: Go to Squarespace.com/MORBID for a free trial and when you’re ready to launch, use the offer code MORBID to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain Curology: Go to Curology.com/morbid for a free 30-day trial, just pay for shipping and handling! Betterhelp: Special offer for morbid listeners get 10% off your first month at ​betterhelp.com/​Morbid Shudder: To try Shudder free for 30 days, go to shudder.com and use promo code morbid See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I don't. She's back. We'll love our new rap. But yeah, I missed everybody for an episode. It was strange and unusual, which is also a great podcast. So we'll listen to it. But, uh, but honestly, it was we, but thank goodness Ash, like stepped in Andrew for that matter. Andrew, because I was not expecting to be at the hospital as long as I was. But, you know, I think everybody can see that things are growing kind of crazy

with the coat of a ride. Things have gotten out of control with the coat of a ride, but I think we're going to get it back under control. So I think so. It was just, it was a long day. A long day. A lot of cutting involved. Lots of cutting, lots of PPE, lots of reusing PPE.

Yes, you'd lean a satin ear face after one autopsy, and I was like, wow. Yeah, and 95's like cut into your face after a while. Yeah, talk about fine lines, baby. Yeah, I know, every time you take it off, I'm like, there's another wrinkle. Get your curology. I know, I'm like, I need a facial,

when can we get those again? I just bought myself a facial steamer. Ooh. $25 on it. I'm gonna need something like that because PPE is killing my face. Yeah, Drew's brother shout out to my like, not brother in law yet, but like someday

got me an Ulta gift card and I like went a little wild on the bed. The best gift. I love a gift card. Oh yeah, like a very specific gift card. Yes. Sometimes people think that like gift cards are like not very personal. Like I feel like Ma will always be like, I'm not gonna give you a gift card is like, sometimes people think that like gift cards are like not very

personal. Like I feel like mom will always be like, I'm not gonna give you a gift card. Yeah, it's so impossible. And I'm like, no, I want a gift card. I love a gift card. And I will take it to me. A bass pro shop. I'm just gonna give you. I wouldn't know what to do. I would have no idea what to do with that. But I know what I'm doing at Alta. So yeah. So there you go. Yeah. I think other than, you know, me just telling you guys that I miss you and thank you for and it was really, it was weird. It was very weird. It's weird podcasting without you because every podcast that I do like screen crime count down and this is as you know with you. Exactly. So it's weird. It's strange and then like like not editing it. Like, I asked her a great job guys editing that episode. Thank you. It was, it probably sounded a little

different than what you're used to, but you know what she tried. You know what you did it. I'm not a sound engineer. You did it and you did it well. I appreciate you. Okay. But I think the only other thing I just wanted to mention was we've had a couple people that have like emailed us about like Facebook groups on like morbid Facebook groups. I just want to reiterate, we are not affiliated with any Facebook group. There is no official Facebook group. The only one is the Patreon. That's it.

Other than that, they are all listener-formed groups. They are listener-run groups. We have not vetted or hired any of the admins for those groups. We're not even in those groups. We cannot control what goes on in those groups. Unfortunately, we have nothing to do with that. I hate Facebook with like the fire of a thousand sons. I want to delete mine so bad.

I was going to say I'm planning to delete my own. So I literally never go on Facebook. The only time I go on is to approve posts in the Patreon one. Yeah, exactly. And this isn't like, you know, but we just want you to know that we don't want you to think somebody is being rude to you, that we set to be rude to you. Yeah, exactly.

I don't want to be like, I would never send somebody to be rude to any of you, so I just never want you to think that. And whenever we get an email, I feel really bad. I'm like, I'm so sorry. I can't help you. I don't know, but I just never want you to think that. And whenever we get an email, I feel really bad, but I'm so sorry. I can't help you. I don't know. But I just wanted to let you guys know, because we would never send anyone to be rude to you

or be affiliated with people that are rude to you. So never think that, because we really don't have anything to do with those groups. And I just wanted to make that clear. Just in case. Just in case. Keylier. Yeah, because I think we've set it on social media before, but not everybody has social media. So I just wanted to make that clear. Crystal, you know. Keelier. Yeah, because I think we've said it on like social media before,

but not everybody has social media, so I just wanted to get it out there. Yeah, it's like, this is like the best way to announce all things. Yeah. And with that being said, I actually have a fun thing to announce. Exactly.

And so we also, a fun announcement time, have a show that we're gonna be doing. We're gonna do kind of like our Halloween shows, but this time it's just gonna be one and it's not like a whole-world tour, just like one cool show. Just one show. And we're gonna be doing a Valentine's Day theme show

and it's called the Bleeding Hearts Ball. I'm so excited. You're all invited. You're all invited to a ball. A ball. We're gonna be the bells of the ball. A virtual ball. So today, actually, in five minutes, I'm gonna post on the Patreon, the ball, a virtual ball. So today, actually, like in five minutes,

I'm gonna post on the Patreon, the pre-sale link. So we'll let patrons have it first until Monday, and then Monday it will go on sale for everybody. If you head to our Instagram at morbidpodcast, I'll put the link in our bio, and if you're more of a Twitter person, follow us at A morbidpodcast, and I'll put it on Twitter.

Yay! What? I'm so excited for the Bleeding Hearts Ball. The Bleeding Hearts Ball! We're trying to work with what we can for, with COVID times. Yeah. I have a cool costume idea because you know a bitch loves a costume. Oh yeah, I feel like these virtual shows have become like our time to have costumes.

It's just become like Halloween 2.0, 3.0. And now I think 4.0. When you can't actually go out on the road or do actual live shows, you gotta throw a costume on. When you live in sweatpants literally every single day for the past year, you have to put something on. You have to.

So yeah, I think that's all the announcements we had though. I think that's all it is. So I'm gonna do a pretty big true crime case today. Oh my goodness. But if I talk about the entire time, that would be upsetting. That would lose us a lot of subscribers. Yeah, a lot of people would be like,

don't know what happened, but I'm gone. Ashbrook. Ashbrook, but no. No, so I'm gonna talk regular. And I'm gonna do the cinnamon brown case today. Would you feel like a lot of people in true crime know about? So I hope you're excited.

So I'm gonna start this super psyched. I hope you're stoked for this real bummer of the case. But like it's happy at the end, I feel. I'm glad. Yeah, I'm gonna start us off with a quote. Please do. Any high school grad would please do. She says, I was too young to get in trouble.

They would send me to a psychiatrist and send me home. Ooh, and that's what Cinnamon Brown thought was gonna happen after she killed her stepmom Linda Brown, but that's not what happened. It's not what happened. No. So Cinnamon had been living with her dad, David, her stepmom Linda, her stepmom sister,

Patty and her younger half sister, Crystal. So like, Foul House over there. Oh yeah. Now she moved in with her dad. She had, it seemed like she had somewhat of a troubled relationship with her mom. Like she would be in and out of her mom's house

and like go to her dad sometimes and then go back to her mom's. But I couldn't find a lot of information about the relationship with her mom. It just seemed like she was craving some kind of stability. Oh for sure. And that's how she ended up at her dad's house.

It makes sense. Little did she know she was not gonna get that at dad's house. So her dad, David, David Brown, he was a pretty well off dude. He worked as like a computer entrepreneur and he owned his own data recovery company. Oh wow. Which I guess like the pentagon used.

It makes sense because I mean data recovery is such a like intricate, it's like niche thing. Yeah, like it must be so hard to work in that field. And obviously he must have been pretty smart if he made it on his own. Not a good guy, but pretty smart, unfortunately. So Linda was his fifth wife, which is Banei Nice. It's a lot of marriages. A lot of marriages, and he was pretty young to have that many marriages under his belt, but you know, like live your life. Get married a lot. There you go. Yeah, like and then move on. But he had known Linda most of her life. So because the Bailey family, which was Linda's maiden name, Linda Bailey is what she was before she got married. That's what made a name means.

That's what that means. Thank you. She lived down the street from David and they like in California and the Bailies were like very far from well off They grew up basically like in and out of trailer park homes and they like their mom Ethel She was a single mom and she was I know Ethel She had like problems with alcohol unfortunately, but probably because she was trying to raise 11 children on home 11 11 children not children not well off. Not even comfortable. Really? Not even comfortable at all.

Yeah, but yikes. That's tough. David had told Ethel that he was actually going through colon cancer and really suffering, which I don't really know if that was the truth. That kind of sounds like it wasn't. Oh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And no quote, man. I don't. Nothing ever comes of that. It's just sounds like it wasn't. Oh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And no quote, man.

I don't. Nothing ever comes of that. He said he had colon cancer and then he did it. Yeah. All right. And it seems like he offered some kind of compensation to the Bailey family that obviously they'd be happy to have. And he was like, if some of your girls could come over and help me clean up around the

house, maybe we can make some kind of deal. Okay. But I don't really think he wanted them there to like clean his house per se. Uh-oh. I think he like to look at younger girls. That's really bad. Yeah, it's not really bad.

It's actually a crime. It is, that's illegal. Not just to look at them. Like that's not illegal, it's just creepy. But like, yeah. Don't move past that. Yeah, don't do that. So Linda's older sister Pam at one point actually dated David.

But David's I had always been on Linda, even while he was dating Pam, her older sister Pam at one point actually dated David, but David's I had always been on Linda even while he was dating Pam her older sister and what she like young both of the girls were teenagers and way too young for him. He was in his early 20s at this time. Oh boy. And Linda herself was only 13 years old when they started dating. Yeah, so she was 13 dating like a 20 to 23 year old. Oh no. Yeah, roughsides. But she was like super head over heels for him. Obviously you're 13 years old and the older guy's interested in you. You think this is the tits, of course. And it's this well off guy,

you're chilling in your house with 11 other brothers and sisters trying to get attention and have your needs met. Yeah. And you're not having your needs met. And this guy's like, I can take you out of all of this. Exactly. So it's kind of like Prince Charming.

Yeah. When she turned 17, she asked Ethel to sign off on her marriage to David. And Ethel was like, absolutely. marriage to David and Ethel was like Absolutely like by all accounts. She was happy and excited for them And I think she was probably relieved that at least one of her kids was gonna get like a child's life Yeah, like how to chance at it. So Linda and David got married in Vegas in 1979 fancy Glitzy glitzy and glamoray

Wow, that was a really good my Ross rarose and protractive. That really was. Thank you. You even had like the, I know. That's just perfect. Hi, I'm Catherine O'Hara. So life changed really quickly for Linda, obviously. And the next six years were going to be an absolute whirlwind for her. Good. So after she married David, they lived in a couple homes, like they kind of moved around a little bit, and they finally settled into this home at 12,551 Ocean Breeze in the Garden Grove area of Orange County. Okay, so like, it seems like a pretty nice area

at the time, I don't know about now. Don't know nothing. Orange County housewives, I guess. Hello, how you doing? Where my OC weirdo's at. Oh, I don't know about now. Don't know not there. Orange County Housewives, I guess. Hello. How you doing? Where my OC weirdo sat. Oh, the OC. No thank you. At some point though, they divorced for whatever reason,

and then they got remarried. All right. So things were going well, and then they were. And then they were like, love you, come back. Love, love, love. And then Patty Linda's younger sister ended up moving in with them when she was like, she was 11 turning 12 when she moved in

because she was having a lot of family trouble at home with Ethel and everybody and a family member had actually been molesting her. Oh God. I read in one source that it was the brother but it was only in one source. It's really, really upsetting. Yeah, but and she needed to get obviously a way

to a safe space. Yeah. So she remembered that David obviously a way to a safe space. Yeah. So she remembered that David and Linda welcomed her with open arms. She thought she was living the good life. It's like I read a bunch of articles that said when she walked into her room, it was fully furnished, like beautifully and decorated and just like,

everything she didn't have. Everything she didn't have, exactly. But soon, David kind of started showing interest in her and started to eye-fucking-hate this word, but there's no other really good way to say it. He would fondle her. Oh, God, I hate that word. But like, what else do you say?

Oh, that's so horrific, though. Because like, touch is also... No, that's not... I mean, just the entire vibe of that is just not good. Yeah, and remember, she is like turning 12. Oh, she's a baby. And he's probably at this point, like 24, 25. What the fuck?

And what the fuck is wrong with these kind of people? This gets worse. He told her that like him doing this would make her develop into a quote proper lady much sooner and that someday he was gonna marry her. What the fuck? So he was like me doing this is like helping you develop. And then someday I'm gonna get married to you

and like just like grooming her. 100% grooming her. Literally grooming her. So Patty later told the LA Times that when she did start developing shortly after he said this to her, she was like, oh my God, he's like some kind of God. Like I owe him everything. Yeah, and she was a child Right, and she starts to fall for him. He's given her everything so far, of course, you know

Anybody would fall for it. Yeah, like a very impressionable young mind of course, right now He would come into her room when Linda was out of the house or when she couldn't hear them Like if she was in another part like showering orering or something. And they started having like a full on physical relationship, which you can't really call it a physical relationship. Like she's obviously she was saying like sure at the time, but she's not. But she's not of the age to say sure. So she's not of consenting age. So she was being right. Yeah. Now by this point him and Linda already had a baby together crystal Yeah, so he's a dad at this point and already sent him a dad of a baby girl a dad of a baby girl And he has cinnamon at this point like has had her for a while. Oh boy. It's like dude. What's wrong?

So pretty soon after patty moved in cinnamon asked her dad if she could move in So David later told the investigators that Cinnamon was a really troubled girl, and the reason that she lived with him in the first place was that she couldn't get along with her mom, and shortly after moving in with him and his new family, she was struggling to get along with Linda. So he kind of paints this picture of Cinnamon as like she's this really like disagreeable girl.

He said she didn't wanna help out with any household chores. She would talk back to Linda constantly or just completely ignore Linda. Like he made it seem like she was just like the ultimate for that kid. Yeah. How old was she? She was 14. Okay. She was a little she was 14 when this happened. Okay. And it was 1985. Okay. Okay. When Cinnamon first moved in, she shared a room with Patty, but a few months before Linda was killed, Linda had actually, quote, kicked Cinnamon out, but she didn't really, like, kick her out and, like, say, like, you can't live here. There was a trailer that they had parked outside of the house. And she was like, Cinnamon, like, that's where you're living, because obviously you can't get along with anybody in the house. So live in that trailer outside. You know, that's just what we're going to do about this.

So David went on to tell the investigators that, like, Cinnamon would come inside when it was time for meals and everything and sometimes to watch TV, but she wouldn't speak to anybody during that time. And, like, everybody just kind of, like, let that happen. The strangest thing I've ever heard. Probably because it's not true. Like, what the fuck?

There's one I was screaming. What would make any sense? I mean, it does sound like she was living, she was living in the trailer, like all her stuff was in there. Jesus. Which is, I don't, I feel like it wasn't by choice. No, I feel that way.

And I also wonder if Linda actually did do that, or if like when she moved in, that was just how it was from the start. That was the arrangement. I don't know. Now, Patty told the investigators later on that Cinnamon had told her that she was suicidal and planned to kill herself with a gun, but Patty was like, you know, I tell her I love her all the time.

I really try to cheer her up and it seemed to be working for a while, but, you know, maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe it's not working. Maybe it is. It's not working. Maybe it is. Everything exploded. Yeah. So in Anne Rules book, which you should totally read this book,

if you want like a full on like deep dive into this case, it's really good. We love Anne. It's called, I know, so good. It's called, if you really loved me. And it opens up telling the story of the night that Linda was shot, and it describes what patty and David told the initial investigators, which

was a whole bunch of bullshit. Oh. So David told them, his parents which was a whole bunch of bullshit. Oh. So David told them, his parents had come over for a visit that day. He described playing Uno as a family, which really upset me because Alina John drew and I just had like a full on Uno competition.

The other day. Yes, and I love Uno with a attack. Uno attack is a little different. Uno attack. So like at least it's a little different. It is. But they played Uno as a family. He said they were gonna go into the desert for a picnic, but it was raining. So they decided against it. And then at some point, like in the early afternoon, or excuse me, late afternoon, he had taken himself cinnamon and patty to a chiropractor appointment because they had gotten in like a pretty bad car accident before, which I can tell you like a little bit about later. But he stopped on the way home to get food for everyone.

He pointed out that he had to go to two different places so that he could make sure everyone was happy with what they got, of course, such a good guy. And he said that cinnamon was really irritable on the way home and that she was treating patty very badly. Huh. Like treating her so horribly, you know, cinnamon was just awful all the time. So that's all the time. She sucks.

So they get home, they ate dinner. I guess Linda and David's mother got into like somewhat of an argument over caring for Crystal and he was like, you know, like they disagreed on the, if the baby should cry it out or if she should like get her on a routine and like not let her cry it out. Like his mom thought, the baby shouldn't and Linda was like, I just need to get her on a fucking and like not let her cry it out. Like his mom thought, baby, shouldn't.

And Linda was like, I just need to get her on a fucking routine. Let me raise my kid. Let me do it. Blah blah blah. So they were arguing over that and then that was stupid. And then they went to bed after arguing because so after the parents left, so his parents leave. And then him and Linda continue this argument because he's on his mom's side

of like, don't let her cry it out. It's awful. Like, and he's saying to mom's side of like, don't let her cry it out, it's awful. And he's saying to the investigators, like, I'm such a sensitive man. And of course, I could never listen to my baby crying. Of course not. And it's like, dude, you're not a father. I know.

You're, we'll see shortly. You're disgusting. And it's like, I love that you're trying to make Linda seem like this horrible person for like, a collectible mother. It's like, she's not. She's just trying to get the baby on sleep schedule. But okay, so he said they went to bed after arguing,

but that he woke up around midnight because you know, he's just so sensitive. And he's very, I can tell. He's very upset about the fight. He can't sleep. Of course not. So he decides to go for a drive at midnight. Okay.

As one does. Not just like ghosts at downstairs and watch the Kardashians. I don't know. Which is what he would have done in 1989. Okay. As one does. Yeah. Not just like ghosts at downstairs and watch the Kardashians. I don't know. Like, which is what he would have done in 1989. Obviously. Yeah. They've been around though. 1985. Like, yeah, Kim was alive. Yeah. It's fine. You know, he goes for a midnight drive. Yeah. And he said that he stopped at a convenience store for a doctor

pepper and an apple pie, which seems like a really gross midnight snack. What a midnight snack. Like, one of those things, cool, cool, cool, Dr. Pepper with your apple pie. Yeah, that's a strange choice. That's disgusting. So weird choice. He also definitely was not a healthy man.

You don't say. No, it clearly. You don't say. The investigators when they got there, he was something like 33 at this point, because yeah, he was like 10 years older than Linda. And they were like, when they walked in, they thought he was like 55. Oh yeah, I just looked at my picture of him

and I was like, oh, he's literally younger than me. Yeah, that's really crazy. Wait, he is? I'm 35. Wow. Oh, oh, oh. I thought you meant like now, and I was like, no, not now.

I was like, then everything I know was alive. No, you were like, wait, what? It's like Hold on, who doesn't know? It doesn't make sense. I got you. Yeah, you got it. You look like 25, so you're good. I appreciate that.

I got you. So you know, Dr. Pepper Apple Pie, cool, cool, cool. Dr. Pepper Apple Pie. He goes in, he gets that beautiful meal. And then he goes back in to the same store to get some comic books. I mean another midnight activity. Yeah and you know like like any other 33-year-old father would do. Yeah if you're gonna get your doctor pepper and your apple pie you gotta

you know you're washing it down with a nice comic book. With a side of Batman and Robin. Of course. Like all these things go together. It's all of these things together that are weird. Like if you just, I mean, going out at midnight to go get a comic book is like strange to me. I'm like really? Why? Why? Yeah, it's real weird. But like whatever. Also, all together, it's like, what are you doing? Let's make a point of like, we know what he's doing. Because he goes in to get the apple pie and the doctor pepper, then he goes back to his car. Then he goes back in, chats with the cashier. He was like, the cashier thought it was so funny that I was buying comic books, and it's like,

oh, the cashier saw you, huh? Oh, yeah, and actually talked to you and would remember you because you did something weird. That's so crazy. So funny. OMG. He then drives to the beach to go sit and think. To sit and think. You know, after midnight how you just drive,

I mean, I might do that, to be honest. Yeah, after getting a comic book and a Dr. Pepper and a Apple Pie. Yeah, I probably wouldn't do the first series of events, but I might go into the beach. I might sit at the beach, I might, that might be fun. I would not. Yeah, because like, for our shares, for that people.

100% inviting to get murdered, but that is actually,'s a really good way to just let's RSVP Ink for murder. I don't do that. So well he he was RSVPing for And then he said when he got home a frantic patty met him at the door sobbing holding crystal who was also sobbing and patty was like Linda shot like I I didn't go up there, but I think she might be dead. Boy, oh boy. You didn't go up there, but I think she might be dead. Boy, you didn't go up there, but she might be, okay. You didn't check on your sister who you believe may have been shot. Okay, cool, cool, yeah, makes sense.

Like, let's get real with it right now. If I thought that somebody shot you, I would be like in your room, like tie in a bandana around the area. Right, you're not just gonna be like, yeah, I think she might be dead up there. I would be like, your room, like tie in a band-Anna around the area. Right, like you're not just gonna be like, yeah, I think she might be dead up there. I would be like, holding the baby downstairs, like waiting for John to get home.

Yeah, no. I'd be like, well, what if he doesn't get home? Yeah, what? So, and she said she thinks it was cinnamon. Like, cinnamon's nowhere to be found and she saw somebody that looked like cinnamon in her room when she heard the first shot. So, someone that looked like cinnamon. I saw someone that looked like a teenage girl room when she heard the first shot. So, it's someone that looked like cinnamon.

I saw someone that looked like a teenage girl in the room. I'm not real sure. I saw someone that looks like this girl that I've been living with for like a really long time run out of the house. Could have been someone else. I don't know. Maybe it was someone else or maybe it was cinnamon

who lives here. Could have been another blonde girl. I don't know. Just ran in the house and shot someone real quick and then left. I don't know who I'd say. Who am I to say? Who was to say?

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this is actually happening. Follow this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Add Free on the Amazon Music or Wonder app. Patty told the investigators that after Linda and David went to bed that night, she and Cinnamon stayed up watching MTV, which in 1985 I can only imagine how great that was. Oh, it's that it's peak. Probably like music videos. Oh, peak. Music videos. I love that.

Yeah. Now, Patty got tired around midnight and she was like, I headed to bed. I went to bed and Cinnamon was out there by herself. I went to my fucking bed. I went to sleep. I slept so hard. Like a rock and so that gunshot psych to sleep. I slept so hard. Like a rock and so that gunshot psyched to sleep.

But she was like, Cinnamon stayed up. And before I went to bed, Cinnamon was like, Hey, can you show me something? And Patty was like, but of course one who I love so much sister girl, what can I show thee?

I shall show you all the things. And Cinnamon had a small gray gun in her hand and asked Patty how to work it. And Patty was like, why do you need, what? I'm confused. I'm so confused. What? What?

Huh. Huh. If that happened, I'd be like, I don't know. If it was literally the middle of the night and you were like, can you show me how to use this? Can I be like, no, I can't. And I'm gonna call the police. Because what the fuck?

Leave. Go to your trailer, Cinnamon. I'd be like, give me that fucking little gray gun. I'll take that off to your trailer and I'm calling the police. I'm confiscating that. So she was like, why? And Cinnamon said that it was just in case. And she, it seemed like she was talking about like,

like a home invasion or a possible intruder. I guess people scheduled that with Cinnamon that they were going to intrude. Just in case. And Patty said, she didn't think much of it. She thought maybe she reassured Cinnamon that they had an alarm system, and it's all good.

But she was like, you know, then I just went to bed. I showed her how to use it, and I went to bed. Yeah, as one does. Yeah, at midnight after you're watching MTV, as one does. Yeah, I mean, night after you're watching MTV, when Michael Jackson's Thriller gets done, you show your sister friend had a work of how to work a gun and then you go to sleep. Yeah. And you don't think much of it. No, nothing to see here. Nothing of note of the night.

I love how she's like, you know, the night went pretty normal. Pretty as planned. We watched some MTV. I showed her how to work a pistol and then I went pretty normal. Pretty as planned, we watched some MTV. I showed her how to work a pistol, and then I went to sleep. There's really nothing of note. No, it was fine. No, there's really nothing that's changed. What could be weird about it?

Typical Monday night for us, man. Yeah, I don't see anything strange. While the investigators are like, what the fuck is this family? What? No, like KK. Unfortunately though, Cinnamon clearly was not talking about intruders, and Patty woke up in the middle of the night to gunshots.

So she heard the first gunshot, and it startled her awake, and she heard it in her room, and saw Cinnamon standing there, she said. And then she heard two more gunshots, and didn't see Cinnamon in the room, and then she started to hear Crystal crying. So she said, she ran to Crystal's nursery, got Crystal and stayed in the nursery like holding her like with her back up against the door, which I probably wouldn't do if somebody had a gun in my house, like definitely not putting my back up against the door. No, definitely not, but I can see why like in,

no, I can see that. No, I can see that. No, I can see that. No, I can see that. No, I can see that. She's like trying to block the door. You're first thing is to try to block the door and block the baby. Absolutely. So she did that and then she said she stayed there

until she heard a knock on the front door and then keys turning in the lock. Now I would like to know, if you have the keys to the door, why are you knocking on it first? Yeah. What? That's a little strange.

So she said she ran downstairs, which I wouldn't do if I thought there was a gunman in the house or a gun woman in the house. Also if she's upstairs, how do you hear the keys in the door? It seemed like the house was, it was a huge house. So like, I think they were well off. So they would assume it would be. They were like a weird well off, and I'll describe it in a second.

But so she heard the keys in the door. Yeah, why would you knock if you have the keys? Because I was trying And I'll describe it in a second. But so she heard the keys in the door. Yeah, why would you knock if you have the keys? Because I was trying to alert someone that it's just you. Just me. Yeah. Just me, little old David. I'm just coming in.

With my pie, I got you one coming back in. So she ran downstairs and she met David at the door and told him everything. Now, interestingly enough, Patty said that David called his father before calling the police. And I'm also pretty sure that he didn't go up there because the investigators were like, well where is she? And he was like, officer, can you please go look, I can't.

So you can't go aid your dying wife or like potentially dead wife? Why? You literally, none of you have any idea what is, if she is even hurt. Right. Like she might be hiding up there. For all you hiding. She might be in a really deep sleep. You just like, you have no idea. Neither none of you have even seen her. And cinnamon is nowhere to be found. She might not be up there. So who's to say that cinnamon didn't like misfire the gun in Patty's room,

go like in the trailer somewhere and like shoot herself? And who's to say even cinnamon is in up there? Exactly, you know. None of you know where she is. Yeah. And you're all just chilling in the living room waiting for the police to get there when you have no idea what's going on.

No, none of that makes sense. So the investigators got there. David tells the story, Patti tells her story, and they both seemed convinced that it was cinnamon who pulled the trigger. But the only problem was, like I said, cinnamon was nowhere to be found, and they're like, she's potentially dangerous.

The gun was dropped in front of the doorway, so she didn't have that gun, but like, you don't know what else she has. And there were other guns in the house. None of them seem to be missing, but they don't know. So the investigators are like looking around the house, they're taking pictures of the scene, bagging up evidence, and one investigator was rounding up all the dogs just to kind of get them out of the

way. Yeah. Something like four dogs in the house. And one of them was a puppy that seemed like it belonged to cinnamon because it was in the trailer by itself and it was just like poopin all around the trailer. So the investigator was like, well, they're shit everywhere. So let's get you out of here. It's just like poopin around the trailer. And I'm not saying like poopin' around, like poop, poop, poop, poop, poop. Like he was like literally sharding everywhere. So, he's just like poopin'.

Like there's such an important part of the store. Well, like it kind of is, because the investigator like moves him to a pen. So while he's moving the little sharding to the pen, he notices like, cause it was like a garage, and like they were putting them behind there, and then there were some dog dog to the pen. He notices like, because it was, there was like a garage and he, like they were putting them behind there. And then there were some dog houses along the garage. So the back of the dog houses were like kind, it's not attached to the garage,

but like that's where they leaned up against it. Read the book. It says, it says, everything. If you really loved me by enrol, plug. So he notices like the dog houses and he's like, okay, cool. And then he notices that there'sunk. So he notices like the dog houses and he's like, okay, cool. And then he notices that there's like a figure in one of the dog houses. So he leans down and he's like, okay, that's a person. Oh, that is not a canine, that is a human. Weird that there's a human.

I'm using my investigative skills to deduce that that is not a dog in there. Human in a dog house? Human, right, Stone. It's a question mark. I'm gonna write that in my report. And then I'm going to investigate. And so he does.

So upon close a look, he realized that it was cinnamon. And she was laying in a pool of her own vomit. And she had peed herself. So she's laying in her own urine and vomit. Oh. And she's holding literally clenched in her fist. Is this note on that like a piece of, I think they said it was pink cardboard,

which I was like maybe it was like stationary, and that's what my cardstock. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So you know, it's like cardstock. And tied together with a ribbon, which is just, weird to me, but okay. So they're like, hey, we gotta take you down,

we gotta take you downtown, Siny. So, somewhere in shit is gonna down. Also, David literally calls take you downtown, Siny. So some weird shit has gone down. Also, David literally calls her Siny, which would be cute if he wasn't him. So they take her into custody and they read the note and he said that he literally had to like, unclunch her fingers from around. And the note said, dear God, please forgive me. I didn't mean to hurt her. Oh, and she did it in like a scroll.

Yeah, she did. Here you hear you, here you hear you. Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's sorry. So during her interview, Cinnamon went in and out of answering questions and just seemed to be like somewhere else in her mind. And Anne Roll points out in her book

that at one point she murdered, she she murdered, she was like, what? She whispered, please don't let them get away with murder. But like, I don't know because, so she says that. And the investigators were like, okay, like what? And they seemed to be surprised that this was this little timid 14-year-old boy and girl sitting in front of them that fired a gun three times and shot and killed a woman.

Yeah. And they're like, she's the mastermind behind this because like, and it's now laying in her own vomit and piss. Yeah, like, that's weird. This is the hardened killer. Yeah. It just, okay. It doesn't make a lot of sense to them, but they're like, but she confesses.

Yeah. I mean, what are you going to do? After she says, please don't let them get away with murder. Oh, that like, that hurts. It really hurts because we'll see why. Yeah. And she just told them because she did it because she thought Linda hated her and she didn't like Linda.

That was her reason. I mean, those are not good reasons to murder someone. No. So they were like, okay. Now a few days later, they tried to talk to her again and said them and said that she didn't remember anything and didn't want to talk. Eek. Eek.

So bad. Now she was convicted of first degree murder and at first she was sentenced to 27 years to life in prison, but because she was only 14 years old at the time of the shooting, they instead sent her to the California youth authority and she was sentenced to serve there until she turned 25. Okay. Hey there, she turned 25. Okay. Hey there, fellow podcast listener. It's Elena and Ash. And we're taking you back to the days before streaming services.

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That someone died. And somebody cashed in on a life insurance policy. You know, I always love when we come up with a case that has something like so different and like... I know. Something we've never seen before. It's just such a niche moment. I can't believe you found this. It was hard.

A life insurance policy. I had to look into it. Yeah. You had to find out what it was. It was hard of it. I was like, whoa, Joe. Whoa, some people murder people over money. Oh, Lee.

Huh, huh. Whoa. Now this, this life insurance policy, and if you can't tell that was faint, real faint right there. Sarcasm, that was called acting. Little thing I like to call improv. That was something called the theater. Oh, I was going to say that in that accent.

Yeah. You bitch. You bitch. You bitch. So yeah, the life insurance you bitch, you bitch. So yeah, the life insurance policy was pretty close to $1 million. That's a good chunk of change. It was like a little over eight much, I don't know.

It was a little over eight much. Many monies. It was almost a million. So he cashed in on that. He moved into a new house with Patty that he bought in cash. Ooh, which he bought the house for like $300,000. And I guess it was like a really nice house with a swimming pool. And I was like, I wish we wish.

Imagine if real estate only costed that much, especially in Massachusetts. Oh, honey. Oh, honey. Everybody go look up real estate in Massachusetts. I love my 900 square foot apartment forever. So he bought that in cash, which I was like, wow, I'd love to see the amount of money in cash. That amount of shekels.

And so he moves in with Patti and he also marries her secretly. And also has a baby with her secretly, which I'm like, that's, those are a lot of secrets. I wonder if those are so big. Secret secrets are no fun. Secret secrets hurt someone. Oh, and then there's a version that says, what's that from everybody? The office.

Yes. I knew it. I don't like the office. I can't wait for the amount of shit I'm gonna get for that. Honestly, give her shit for that, because I give her shit for that. I like Parks and Rats. She hasn't given it a chance.

It's actually lander. She didn't give Zoolander a head chance either. I'd like to give that a second chance. You need to give that a chance. I love the tangents we go off. I love it too. I love that somehow Zoolander worked its way into the cinnamon brown case.

Always will. So yeah, they had a secret marriage and a secret baby. And I guess they were telling people that the baby was not David's. Oh. And I'm like, but you're living together in this nice house with a baby. What do you think that looks like?

This is just someone's random baby that you just, and David. David, you're like, but you're living together in this nice house with a baby. Like, what do you think that looks like? This is just someone's random baby that you just and like David. You're like, he was saying the baby was from a different father. No, I know, but it's like, what is it? But it's like, but why is she with you then? Yeah. Like, clearly she had the baby while you were to get, what?

It's just a strange situation. It's a weird situation. And it also came back later on because at the scene, like originally, they did, like, swobbed their hands for gunpowder to see. Gunshot residue? Yes, thank you. And there was a SR.

There was residue on Patty's hands. But at the time, they somehow explained it away. But the investigators always held on to that, but they were like, that's what we have. We have somebody in jail for the murder. We can't really do anything with this right now. But they always were like, what? I would always be thinking about that. I thought you were gonna say, I would always be like,

what? I would always be like, what? What? I would about that. So by 1988, word got back to cinnamon, rotting in jail, that her father and Patty were married and like live in this high lavish lifestyle, cash in and on all these great banks.

So, you know, you know, cash in and on bank. You can do that. That's what people with money say. Yeah. Cash in and on banks. Laughing straight to the bank and, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, do you remember that song? I don't. I didn't think you would. The investigators had also been visiting back of the gun. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, do you remember that song? I don't. I didn't think you would.

The investigators had also been visiting cinnamon over the years and like hoping to get more answers because like I said, this was like a real ahead scratcher for them. They did not understand this at all. But she didn't want to talk about it. She was like, nope, like I don't have anything to say. Come on, man.

But she was a model prisoner. She had a job in jail. She kept busy doing like crafts and pretty sure she did like needle point and shit. And she just kept to herself mostly. And they're like, this girl is like, this is not the girl that was described to us. Like this troublemaker who couldn't get along had a problem with authority figures like so much, so that they had to make her live in a trailer off of there. And so much so that she snapped and got really angry and shot her stepmom.

Yeah, that little thing. Yeah, you know how that happens? It just, they were like, no, it doesn't make sense at all. Like this is just not in her psyche. So she underwent therapy while she was in jail and she shamed. She shamed. She seemed to be growing and maturing

until a stronger person mentally, and people could tell that there was going to be some kind of shift soon. She seemed very different than when she first got there, covered in her own pee and urine. That's the same thing. And vomit. I meant to say pee and vomit. But there was no evidence that she was suffering from any kind of mental illness. And Patty and David had described that initially

to the investigators, because Patty told them that cinnamon had more imaginary friends than she did real friends. And she said she would just like talk to people out loud, named Aunt Bertha, Oscar, and Maynard. And Maynard, which is a place I used to live. Account of Massachusetts. Yeah, I literally lived there.

Wow. But they were like, that's weird that she's never talked to any of those imaginary friends ever since she got to jail because like, yeah. Jail's pretty lonely. Might be a good time to talk to those imaginary friends. And did she have an imaginary friend like when she was younger?

They're saying it was like when she was 14. Oh no, they're saying like when she was like chillin' around the house not talking to them She was talking to Oscar on Bertha and Maynard because I had an imaginary friend named naughty Martha That's iconic when I was told that is I Connick and I just blamed everything on naughty Martha Because you were naughty Elena Mom will tell you I heard that

I would just play like naughty Martha did that. And mom was always like, I couldn't even get mad because it was so funny. That's hilarious. She was like, I would just laugh. We love a smart little shit. My imaginary friend was Luke Skywalker. It's so nice.

Ken confirmed. Ken confirmed. And one day I was like, you know, like when you're little, you'll like shower with your mom sometimes. Yeah. And like wash your hair and also wash hers. Yeah. I was like, oh mom, like can you also wash Luke's

guy with his hair? And she was like, I'm sorry, what? Like there's a man's in here. There's who in the shower. There's no man's around here. I love it. Yeah, so that's a little bit about us. We'll insight into our childhood.

But they pointed out that you know, she talked to these people and then the investigators are like, well, why doesn't she talk to them here? And I think that's what they initially thought when she was sitting in the investigation room being like, don't let them get away with murder. I think they thought she was talking about her imaginary friends. So she was like disassociating and being like, don't let them get it. That makes perfect sense.

It makes perfect sense, but she was really saying like, to your God, probably like, don't let Patty in. Because she was probably saying, I'm taking the rap for this, but please don't let them get away with it. Like sure, I'll take the rap right now, but like they need to get it too. Oh yeah, like in the long run. Like at some point. Now they also pointed out, uh,

Patty and David to the investigators that Cinnamon had a much older boyfriend and he went by Steely Dan. Mm-hmm. You know, my boyfriend, such a hottie, Steely Dan. You know my boyfriend, Motley Crew. You know my boyfriend, such a hottie, Steely Dan. You know my boyfriend, Motley Crew. You know my boyfriend, Steely Steely. You know my boyfriend, Poison.

You know my boyfriend, Durand. Like, what? So, Cinnamon's friends were like, no, no. She doesn't have a boyfriend. I guess there was a kid who went by Steely Dan. That's a really amazing. And he was like a troublemaker, but they looked into it and nothing happened from that.

They were like, yeah, they're not connected. They were like, yeah, they're not connected to it. No. No, Cinnamon's, like, she had a couple of friends and they told the police that Cinnamon was grounded all the time. And that was the reason she didn't have a lot of friends. Because Patty and David were trying to make it seem like she didn't have real friends because she had so many

and she had very little ones. Yeah, because she was like having a moment. But they were like, no, she was grounded all the time. That's why she didn't have friends. And they said it was partially that, but also because her father encouraged her not to make friends and would like flip out about every little thing that she did.

So she just didn't really have the time to make friends. Oh, you hear about these things with parents encouraging their kids, these people that isolate their children from having friends, and I'm like, Like, why did you have kids? Why? I don't make it to have so many friends someday. Like, this pandemic has been the hardest,

one of the hardest things on the girls have been all they want to do is go see their friends or make new friends. And watching kids make friends with each other. The most precious thing you'll ever see in your life. Like the girls will like see someone at the park and want to play with them and obviously right now it's difficult. But like if they have masks on, we'll be like, oh yeah, like scoot around.

And like they get so happy and they're like, my new friend named like blah blah blah. Oh, they'll talk about their new friend for days. Literally. Like I'm still hearing about one. I don't understand these parents who like isolate their children from that. No. So weird. It's weird. Like why did you have a kid?

It's like so evil. It is. So once Patty, or excuse me, once Cinnamon found out about Patty and her dad getting married, she was like, let me talk to those investigators that have been visiting me because I have something to say now. I got something to say. Now the DA at the time was named Jane Newell.

And he had been very interested in the case, like very invested. And he was the main person who was like, none of this makes sense. This girl did not do this on her own. Like I need to know more. Now, Cinnamon told them that David had been telling her and Patty for years.

This is when it all comes crashing down. That Linda was conspiring against him with her twin brother. And he said there was, like, he told them all these stories about Linda and her twin brothers mob ties and how they were working in a plot to kill him so they could take all his money. Because like I said, he did have a lot of money.

Yikes. And he had both the girls so brainwashed because obviously Cinnamon loved her father. And at the time this was the man who Patty kind of felt like rescued her. She probably felt like she owed him. I mean, she thought he was like a god. Yeah. So he's completely brainwashing them. And like I said, Patty had been groomed for years.

So it's like she was kind of jealous of Linda because she sees her being in the way of this prince charming that she wants to marry. Of course. So she loved her sister, the way of this prince charming that she wants to marry. Of course. So she loved her sister, but I'm sure, to some degree, so she saw her as a threat. Oh, for sure. So there's that.

And then Cinnamon said that this was something, like I said, they talked about for years, and that David told them that they would have to carry it out the murder because he didn't have the stomach for it. Oh, yeah. They needed to get rid of Linda for him. Well, remember, he's so sensitive. The most sensitive mind.

So, such a delicate constitution, that man. Oh, yes. So, the three of them together decided that cinnamon should be the one to pull the trigger because she was the youngest, and they had her fully convinced that because she was so much younger, she wouldn't be prosecuted as hard.

Oh my God. Now meanwhile, Patty and her are like in high school together. I think Patty was like 17 when this happened. So that's cool. David said that they would make up some kind of psychological issues like they did. And that the worst that would happen is that cinnamon would have to go to a psychiatrist

for a while, and then she would come back home, and they would all live this happy life together. After we murdered the mother. After we murdered the mom. And it's like, For that like stepmom. In the sister. And it's like, that's what exactly would I opened up with.

She said, I thought that I would do this and that I thought I would come home. Wow. I mean, she's 14. She doesn't understand the legal system. And that has obviously been brainwashed in a big way. And that's her father. Yeah. Oh my god.

Like, her father that she loves, she thinks he's in danger, she thinks she's protecting him. I mean, yeah, because like, who among us, if you love your father, you do anything for your parents, if you love them, you know what I mean, yeah, because like who among us, if you love your father, you do anything for your parents, if you love them, you know what I mean? Right, and if you're being brainwashed, and if they're telling you that they're in mortal danger, and that the only way that this like, when you're that young, especially. Right.

So they were coming up with ways to kill Linda for like over a year. Cinnamon suggested living in that house with them. Living in the house with them. No idea. Cinnamon suggested at one point, like throwing a bathtub, throwing like something electrical into the bathtub, and then she was like, oh, Linda only take showers. Oh my God. But like trying to like impress her dad.

Yeah, being like, look at this good idea I came up with. Exactly, and like they both would come up with ways like her and Patty together. And then he would have them because the whole thing was that afterwards, cinnamon was gonna like pretend like she tried to commit suicide so that it looked like she was doing a murder suicide. Yeah. It just like makes it better, I guess, to them. And they would write these fake suicide notes and give them to David and be like, is this one okay? Is this one okay?

Is this one okay? And he would burn them or flush them down the toilet. And then one time, I believe it was Patty walked in on Linda on the phone at one point and when when Patty walked in to the room, Linda kind of stopped talking and she was like, oh my God, she must be plotting the murder right now.

But meanwhile, she was probably like, I think my fucking sister and my husband are in a relationship together. What the hell? Yeah. Oh my God. He had them fully convinced and also like fully paranoid. Of course.

Like he's starting to have mob ties. So then you think of it actually and you think maybe Cinnamon did develop this attitude and she did and Linda did say like, go fucking live in the trailer. Yeah. Don't live in the trailer. Yeah. Don't live in my house and give me attitude. It makes sense. So on the night of March 18th, he woke Cinnamon and patty up and told them tonight was the night.

He said, Linda needs to die tonight, like, needs to get done. Oh my God. So he leaves the house, like I said, goes to the convenience store, goes in multiple times, make sure he has an alibi. Make sure he acts real kooky. He maybe went to the beach, I don't know, it seems like perhaps. He also stopped at a denny's to use their bathroom. Like he originally said, but it was

probably just to make the alibi even more solid. And he said he was like, I saw, I think he said he saw like a red-headed waitress and like she saw him. So they're like, he's like, go talk to that red-headed waitress, and she'll say, I was there. It reminds me of the Melignato. I was thinking that I was trying to remember his name. He goes to the chili place. He goes to the chili place, yeah.

So he was like, yeah, bye, I was there. And then when he came home, obviously, he knows Linda's dead, which is why he doesn't go upstairs to check that she's dead. And that's why he does the knock knock first. That's why he does the knock knock, it's me. And then he mixed up a cocktail of prescription drugs for cinnamon to take.

And she went outside to take them. And that's why she was peeing on herself and vomiting. Right, and so that's hold on. Because so she refused to shoot herself. Because originally the plan was she was gonna shoot herself. Like, I don't know if they told her, like, do it here so that it's not fatal.

Oh my God. But she was like, I can't do it. Yeah. So they did that, I'm sorry. No, me either. But the mix of drugs they found out later was a lethal dose. So he probably intended on killing Cinnamon 2

so that he could run away with Patty and not have to deal with it. Not have to deal with it. Wow. So he and probably, I'm going on the record here saying he fully intended to not only get his wife killed by his daughter, but then kill his daughter. Oh, 100%.

Yeah. So in the original investigation, the like when they were like taking pictures and bagging up evidence, it seems like there was like a laundry room or like a mudroom in the back of the house and on the wash Machine there was three pill bottles in the investigator was like what the fuck? So then I think when they saw a sentiment in that state They just assumed like she took them there. Yeah, but and they found like a ton of prescription medicine in the house because David was like really sickly

They definitely I think he definitely intended on killing her because there really was no good reason to do like a suicide attempt. No, or even like something, you know, that doesn't really, it would just add like drama to you. Yeah, it doesn't, but I think he was just trying to get rid of us. I think he was just trying to kill our two birds with one stone.

And he convinced her that it would be better if she pretended to kill herself. Right, wow. Yeah, wow. Yeah. her. Two birds with a rock. And he convinced her that it would be better if she pretended to kill herself. Right. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. What an evil son of a bitch. Because so luckily she threw up, because if she didn't, they were like,

if she didn't throw up, she was dead. Yeah. And they found like all the different prescription drugs in the throw up. Yeah. Because they saw the guy who found her saw like the capsules. And it was like, oh, like clearly that one down. Yeah.

So they decided that it would be best to have Cinnamon try to get her dad to say something. They were like, let's get him to visit you and Jail. Let's wire you up. So they did. And they're like, do your best to get him to say something. So Cinnamon told her dad that he needed to tell the cops what really happened or she needed to because she wasn't doing well in jail. And he basically told her and they have this, like she's wired. He said, you can't tell them the quote, whole truth because I'm sick and I can't go to jail.

And he told her, I'll kill myself before I die in a jail cell. And if you do tell the truth, quote, we would all end up in prison. What the fuck? So he literally sailed his fucking ship down the river. That is hilarious. He is like, nope, you can't tell the whole truth.

I love that she didn't have to do any work there. She was just like, blah, blah, blah, blah. She was like, I'm getting ready to tell the truth. And he was like, no. No, you can't because we're all good at jail because we're all involved and you can't tell the whole truth. And they're like, hey, David. you can't cause we'll all go to jail cause we're all involved and you can't tell the whole truth. And they're like, hey, David.

Hey, do you want to talk to us? Like what's up? What's up? It's like Nicki Minaj at the VMA. She's like, what's up, Myle? What's good, Myle? What's good, David? What's good, David?

It's down. Yeah, it's down. So they bring in David, David, and Patty. They arrest them pretty much immediately. Yeah. patty was placed in the same facility as cinnamon Oh, remember is still very young. Oh my God yikes now David while in jail tried to convince the investigators that he had no role in this It was patty and cinnamon. They were conspiring against Linda because they didn't like her They wanted to do away with her.

Which is like, oh, okay. Let's stay with Patty. Thank you. I was like, let's consider that for a moment. Yeah. Then you married Patty still? Makes sense. Okay, cool, cool, cool.

So it makes total sense. He also, huh? Poor Crystal. I know. We'll talk about Crystal at the end. I mean, probably for better, with Earl gone, but.. I know. We'll talk about crystal at the end. I mean, probably for better, for Darryl Gon. But, well, so, he also, this is just wild. He made the mistake of trying to organize a hit on Jay Newell,

the one who was like the investigator who was helping Cinnamon, like, he was like, I want him, like done. And he tried to carry out a hit on Patty too. So he wanted two of them. Now he offered a fellow inmate almost $23,000 for the hit and told him, quote, I make things happen for people. That's how I got ahead. Wow.

Like, then he's like, I had nothing to do with that. You were like set up for life. You're working with the fucking Pentagon and then you like organized this crazy crowd. Like you why? Yeah. Get divorced. I was gonna say divorce.

You did it once. You did it once. And I guess cinnamon like suggested that. Originally it was like, well why can't you just divorce her? Yeah. And he was like, well she'll come after all my money and I'll lose everything.

And it's like yeah, divorce sucks, but it sucks a whole lot less than murder and go into jail forever. Well, and you know what? Like pre-nut, like maker sign a pre prenup and then you won't lose everything. Yeah. And like, who knows? You probably didn't. You probably, like, he just wondered. Yeah. So he was like, I make things happen for people. That's how I get ahead. But the inmate that he tried to organize the hit with told the authorities.

Of course. Obviously. Now, he also told another inmate, or he thought it wasn't inmate, that she should go forward after Patty testified and say, say like, I was in jail with Patty and she told me she lied about her whole testimony. So he's like, if you do this for me, I'll help you out somehow. Yeah, that wasn't inmate, that was an undercover cop. Oh my God, amazing.

Yeah, amazing. And she's wired, so like now we have that. And and she's like you're a fucking idiot. Thanks for that Now Cinnamon and Patty were able to make amends while they were incarcerated I don't really know with cinnamon's a much bigger person I am say damn, but I think she was like your brainwashed like I was too. Yeah, I think she knows that they were I grew you should try Yeah, so you should try you should you should give this a go So they both agreed to testify against David at his trial. Now Patty told the jury all about their relationship,

how it started, and that alone obviously painted a very different picture. Yeah, he's a pedophile literally. Right off the bat, you're like, oh, okay. Oh, good work. And working with here. Now, Cinnamon agreed also to testify. And she told the jury how they had been brainwashed

by David and how he continuously told them, and this is where the title of the book comes from, if they loved him, they would do this for him. Wow. He would always say to them, if you love me, you'll do this. The most emotional manipulation. Like on your daughter and this like other 17 year old girl. Okay. So the jury, they had so much from the wire tapping from cinnamon, from the jail house stuff, from him trying to say, should and jail like nothing he was recorded, that the jury heard days of incriminating statements just made by him, like caught on tape. I think it was something like three days that they wow. Yeah. So they took a very short seven

hour deliberation period. And when they came back, he was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. Bye, David. The judge compared him to Charles Manson. And honestly, he's a cult leader. He's got the same kind of vibe. It's like you pray on Manson.

And he's sitting on young impressionable youths. Exactly. He's sitting on his bidding. Exactly what David did. He was like, you are like Charles Manson, great. And it's on young, impressionable youths. Exactly. To his bidding. And that's exactly what David did. He was like, you were like Charles Manson. He said, you're a very scary man. And you were lucky that the death penalty wasn't on the table.

Yeah. Because the judge was like, I would for sure kill you. I would for sure kill you. Or let the lethal injection do it. You know. The judge is like, I would do it myself if it was on the table. Imagine if you could say that.

That would be crazy. Now, Cinnamon was released shortly after and so was Patty. But by that time Cinnamon was 21 or something like that. It was crazy. No, she wasn't 21. She was 18. Sorry. I think Patty was 21 when she was released.

Now Cinnamon went on to get married and she married a man who unfortunately passed away after they were married for like 20 years. He committed suicide, which was really sad. But so sad. Married a man who unfortunately passed away after they were married for like 20 years, he committed suicide, which was really sad. That's so sad. But she later remarried. And by all accounts, she's living like a quiet happy life. Oh good.

Crystal, Linda's, Linda and David's daughter and Patty were able to reconnect. And Crystal said that she not only forgives Patty, but also forgives Cinnamon for her mom's murder, and she knows that they were brainwashed. Wow. Which is nuts. I couldn't find anything about the daughter or the son, I'm not sure what they had.

That David and Patty had together. I was gonna say that yeah. At one point, it was being taken, the baby was being taken care of by like, one of Patty siblings, I believe, and Crystal had been taken care of David's parents. Like, she'd got custody. So, I couldn't find anything though about that child.

Like, if maybe he got the child's back, just doesn't want to be associated with this anymore. Yeah, probably not. But Crystal actually runs a Facebook page. I don't know if it's still up, but it was in some of the things that I was looking at, like in her mom's memory, and like post-old pictures and stuff, and she had posted when her and Patty got together. Wow. It doesn't seem like her and Cinnamon got together,

but I don't know if they've talked and figured it out. Yeah, so that's good. I mean, at least there's all there. Wow. Now, David told the investigators that Cinnamon and Patty were both very dangerous girls who would most likely kill again if they were released. No, which is weird. I don't know if that at all who would most likely kill again if they were released.

Which is weird. I don't know if that at all. Because they didn't. Because they have not. No. Fortunately, his crusty old ass died in prison in a prison hospital on March 20th, 2014 of natural causes at 61 years old.

Wow. Natural causes. So he was in rough shape. I think he was having too many doctor pies. Doctor pies. Yeah, you know, that's the doctor pies. So there's like a lifetime miniseries about this, I guess. I didn't watch it because I couldn't find it.

But it's called Love, Lies on Murder. I just saw like the little movie poster for that. Yeah, I guess that's like a miniseries. Yeah, Cynthia Nixon, isn't it? Oh, wow. Which I, like I don't even know who she plays. Cynthia, Anything you play. I love her. There's also Cinnamon appears herself in like this true crime documentary. It's called The Investigators, A Daughter's Love. Oh wow. Yeah. I couldn't find that anywhere either. So if you can find it, let me know. Be cool to watch. Yeah. And then totally

read the fucking book. It's so good. You can get it for free on the Kindle Cloud Reader from Amazon. Totally read the fucking book, it's so good. You can get it for free on the Kindle Cloud reader from Amazon if you really loved me by Anne Rule. Yeah, that's awesome. So crazy. That's a crazy case. Could you imagine if your dad tried to make you commit murder and then was like,

okay, have fun in jail, sweetie. Like bye. Bye bye. Bye bye. I'm gonna go cash in on that life policy. You'll come out and everything will be fine. We'll pretend it never happened. Yeah, because that's what she thought was gonna happen. She opened it up and she said,

I thought I was gonna go to a psychiatrist and I thought I was gonna come home. Yeah, that's wow. Is that so food? That's unreal. So food. Wow. Yeah, cinnamon.

Cinnamon brown. Also, the name cinnamon. I wonder if they named her cinnamon because the last name was brown. Wow, that's a whole nother. Fox to open up. Her mom's name was Brown. Wow. Yes, that's a whole another box to open up. Her mom's name was Brenda. Yeah, not the same. And why?

She was also pretty young because like David was like 23 when he married Linda and already had Cinnamon. So, you know, young decisions. Yeah, that's a decision. Yeah. So, yeah, you can see pictures of this and you can also buy tickets to the cool live show on Monday. Woo! Go look at our Instagram at morbidpodcast. Hit us up on Twitter. Add a morbid podcast. Send us a Gmail, baby. morbidpodcast.gmail.com. And as always,

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