Morbid - Episode 204: **AD FREE** The Mysterious Disappearance of Brittanee Drexel Part 2

Episode Date: January 25, 2021

It's here! This is the conclusion to our discussion about the mysterious and truly tragic disappearance of 17 year old Brittanee Drexel from Myrtle Beach, SC in 2009. In this part we discuss ...the Taylor family's possible/alleged involvement, theories of human trafficking and also read some listener emails from people who personally know Jennifer Oberer, Alanna Lippa and John Grieco. This case needs to be solved, guys. The FBI is still offering a $25,000 reward for any information leading to this case being solved.  To the Drexel Family, we hope you get the justice that you and Brittanee deserve. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:02:06 You're gonna get three this week because we love you and you're great and we think you're wonderful. And you probably smell good. And what better way to do a Monday than to get a new episode and it's not free. And it's an episode that I just, I knew, I know how I felt about the Britney Drexel case and I knew everyone else was gonna feel the same way, which is like, don't you dare fucking make me wait for the end?
Starting point is 00:02:28 Absolutely not. Which, I gave you most of the information you needed in the first half of it. This is more just a discussion of what has happened since. Like a follow up. Yeah, and also, thank you so much for all the love you have given me for pronouncing chile, right? Because I'm not even kidding, guys.
Starting point is 00:02:45 It is feeding my soul. Yeah. Well, your eyes are twinkling right now. I'm on the right side of pronunciation now, and I love it for this week. I love it. I'm in a basket until I fuck up another town. But chile, I love you.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Chile, you got any other cases that I need to cover? I love chile. They'll leave my favorite show in tri-life, see you there. Yes. But yeah, you guys have been awesome. So, I think we will start. Oh, one thing I just have to correct from my first part. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:03:14 I believe, I said, I'm not sure I didn't listen to it again, but I'm just in case I said it wrong. When I said that Timothy DeShon Taylor's father, Sean Taylor, when I said that he was accused of attempting to abduct a girl in Murdle Beach, I think I said it was a month after Brittany Drexel. I think you dare. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:03:34 So I was wrong. I just was reading it over again and I was like, I think I said it once. So it was a year, like almost exactly a year after Brittany. Maybe you did say almost exactly a year. Either way. I don't know. I just wanted to confirm it just so I didn't give wrong information.
Starting point is 00:03:50 So I just wanted to mention Timothy DeShon Taylor did do a polygraph and he did an interview about this case. And according to the post in career, the federal prosecutor's file of the paperwork, the week ahead of a sentencing hearing, likely to be scheduled in the coming weeks, and this was in 2016. The documents revealed that Taylor had told the FBI about an argument he overheard in June 2016. This argument, he said he was present for, and this came out like during the polygraph. He was just like, oh, let me just quickly tell you something. He said he heard an argument between two people,
Starting point is 00:04:29 whose names were redacted. So we don't know who these two people were. And he said it was basically two people arguing about someone having Brittany Drexel's cell phone. And he said that neither of these people ever confided in him that they were involved in Drexel's disappearance, but the polygraphs said that he was not telling the truth about most of this. Like that he was telling the truth about the argument, but when it came to his involvement in it, he was giving deception. So it was like he was kind of trying to pass the book. Exactly. So yeah, and then he tried to say, he was like, yeah, I thought that argument was suspicious. It was weird. And it's like, yeah, it is a little weird that you are suddenly being like,
Starting point is 00:05:15 you're being pointed at as someone who's heavily involved in this disappearance. And you're sitting there saying, I don't know this girl. I've never met this girl. I have nothing to do with it. But I heard people. I can't imagine who would point at me. And then you're like there saying, I don't know this girl, I've never met this girl, I have nothing to do with it. But I heard people. I can't imagine who would point at me. And then you're like, oh, I am involved with people, though, that we're talking about having her cell phone. Isn't that coincidental? Right. You, the person who's being pointed at,
Starting point is 00:05:35 happened to know two people in all the world in all of South Carolina that happened to be talking about having their cell phone. Ah, that's a little bizarre. Like, you're connected to people, obviously. So now you're putting yourself into it. Well, that's a thing you're placing yourself right there. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:05:50 And he said this little argument between these two people, which again, we don't know the names of the people. If their names were redacted, does that mean they're... This could be being looked into. Okay. So a lot of things seem to be being held back, which is good. I was just going to say, because I wonder if they're on the right track here So he said that argument did get like a little heated. They were like shouting at each other and then he was like that's all I have to say
Starting point is 00:06:14 Okay, so that's strange that is strange like why Everything that all of his involvement in the case is super strange because he said he met her father And that's and then you see an interview with him later and he's like, no, I've never met her father. But it's like, why did you tell the FBI that? Well, and here's another interesting thing about Timothy DeShantayler, that kind of gives, gives credence to Chad Drexel's account that he met him. So when Chad Drexel met this man in this car, gave him the flyer that had the missing stuff about Britney on it, and he said,
Starting point is 00:06:48 I'm her father, do you have you seen this girl? They all laughed at him. They were whispering in the back seat. The driver, he said, had one arm. Right. Timothy Dutcheon Taylor has one arm. I saw that. And he lost his arm when he was four years old and like a horrific accident Well, that's really sad obviously that's a pretty like specific Identity and identifier. Yeah, I mean so it's like that does give credence to the idea that that was Timothy to Sean Taylor in that car but We just I mean I'm I'm
Starting point is 00:07:21 Going to believe the father. I don't know why he would make all that up. Like it doesn't really matter. I know, I feel like he would. And when they talk to Timothy about this, I'll call him Taylor, just from here on out. When they talk to Taylor about this, he doesn't say, no, absolutely not. I never met the father.
Starting point is 00:07:41 No, I didn't crumple up a missing poster. No, I didn't do that. Because if somebody sat that about you, you would think you'd be like, no. I would never fucking the father. No, I didn't crumple up a missing poster. No, I didn't do that. Because if somebody sat that about you, you would think you'd be like, no, I would never fucking do that. You know if you met the father of this missing girl and you also know if you took a missing person's poster and crumple it. For his daughter and crumpled it up and laughed in his face. You would remember that. Yeah. And he was like, yeah, I don't remember that ever happening. He doesn't say that didn't happen. He says, I don't remember that ever happening. He doesn't say that didn't happen. He says I don't remember that happening. Which is always weird when people say that.
Starting point is 00:08:07 He makes a lot of strange turns of phrases when he tries, when he's saying he didn't have anything to do with things, that almost don't take him totally out of it. Uh, you know who also does that is anybody on the Real Housewives, and then usually like five seconds later, they play a clip of them doing exactly what they said they don't remember doing. Exactly. So that's my input. So it's just a little strange to me. Yeah. But back to the phone thing where he was talking about these two people arguing over have somebody having Britney's phone. I have a theory about the phone. I think the
Starting point is 00:08:41 phone because they've never found the phone, they've never found her purse and she had both of those things those things when she walked out of the hotel Right, so where the hell did those go? So I think the phone was brought to that swampy place where it was pinging. Yeah, and then it just suddenly stopped I think they abducted Brittany. They brought her with her phone in her purse to this swampy ass area where no one's gonna go They threw that phone in the water, probably with her purse and all the contents in it, which is why the phone just stopped as soon as it got there.
Starting point is 00:09:10 I think it went plunk in the water and we'll never see it again. Right, because it's not like you can like dive in a swamp and look for it. Exactly, and you don't know if like gators are gonna eat it. Like, you know, I mean like who could go anywhere? Like it's, it's probably just in the like mud at the bottom of a swamp somewhere.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Right. And all her stuff is probably in there too, because I mean, I, and we'll talk about it later, but I'm really going with they initially abducted her who ever did to traffic her. It makes sense. And things got scary when she started becoming nationwide. News in that people were missing her and looking for her,
Starting point is 00:09:47 and they decided to dispose of her because it wasn't worth it. Right, to them. Right. But, so I think they were, maybe this is something they do when they abduct a girl to traffic her, maybe, since they drove straight to that place. They remember exactly where it was,
Starting point is 00:10:01 what they were driving fast. Everybody was like, they went at high speed to this place and then they were out of there. That's, I think they may be, this might be what this group of people, whoever it is, because again, no one has been formally charged with this. They abduct a girl, they bring them to this place, they throw away their ID and their phone so that everything's gone and then they bring them to McClillinville or wherever else they're gonna bring them. And I almost wonder, because remember how we said they found sunglasses there like a while later? Maybe those were a pair of sunglasses from another girl that had been trafficked and just cleaned off and left there to fuck with the police.
Starting point is 00:10:37 And who knows, they could have been a brand new pair of sunglasses that that girl that was trafficked had just bought. Right. And we didn't have anything on the street. Exactly. So it's like you don't know. had just bought. Right. And didn't have any DNA on it. Exactly. So it's like, you don't know. You just don't know. There's so many possibilities. So the, the informant, the jailhouse informant that was the one who came forward and pointed at the tailors, he was Teclan Brown.
Starting point is 00:10:56 And he was from McCormick Correctional Institution in South Carolina. That's where he's spending 25 years on a totally unrelated man's letter, charge. Now, his story that we told like a brief overview of, he said that it's all true that like, she was being sexually assaulted by eight to 12 men in that house. And you know, he just walked right on by that. He walked right by that, that he was at the stash house to do business with Sean Taylor,
Starting point is 00:11:26 that he was at the stash house to do business with Sean Taylor and that she tried to escape the pistol whipped her, brought her back into the stash house and then he heard two shots and he saw them bring what he thought was a body out. Right. So upon further interviewing, he said, that's all true. And he said, I assume she was gone. I heard two gunshots. That was it. And he said, he saw them bring a rolled up rug out. Okay. So he was like, that's, I was like two gunshots, that was it. And he said he saw them bring a rolled up rug out.
Starting point is 00:11:46 Okay. So he was like, that's, I was like, all right, that's it. Well then he said, five days after this, he went to his cousin's Herman's home in Jacksonboro, South Carolina. He saw Brittany there. And he said, she had black eyes, like she had a black eye. And he said, and she had a black eye the first time I saw her. And he was like, black eyes, like she had a black eye and he said she had a black eye
Starting point is 00:12:05 the first time I saw her. And he was like, and obviously she was pistol whipped right in front of me. So I know she was going to be hurt. And he said she was sitting in a reclining chair in his house and she was clearly drugged. Oh my god. So he was like, I don't know what those two shots were, but obviously they were not her. Okay. And so he said, even then he was like, oh, okay, I'll just, there she is.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Why is she at your brother? So is his brother must have been in, oh, okay, sorry. Yeah. And this, this was in Jacksonboro, which I believe is like a, it's a good way away, not like crazy way away, but it's not like right now or anything. I drive that way.
Starting point is 00:12:42 Yeah, so he said she was there, she was drugged sitting in a recliner. Now he said, late May. So this is like a better portion of a month since she's been gone. He was walking with a friend to Herman's home, his uncle again. And he said he was there to like show him a car or something that he was thinking of buying. And he said, there's like this wooded area off a dirt path that like leads up to his home. And it's, and he said there was a group of men that he saw out there with Brittany.
Starting point is 00:13:09 And he said, a man he only knows by Nate, then shot her with a double barrel shotgun twice. And he said, he says as soon as it happened, he and his friend turned around and left because they didn't want to be any part of it. And he said, he knows for a fact that they put her body at least partially into an alligator pit. Okay. Now, his uncle Herman died of a heart attack so we can't confirm anything with him.
Starting point is 00:13:36 And one of the witnesses was also murdered. So some of the stories unable to be completely confirmed. But there are some witnesses that have supposedly come forward according to the FBI confirming this. What the fuck? Because this sounds like a little far fetch that you saw her in one random place where you were doing business,
Starting point is 00:13:54 and then you were randomly at your uncles one day and saw her again. And this is what it sounds like. It sounds like this is a group of people that they all know each other, and they all run in these circles and trafficking might be a thing and drugs might be a thing. And he's, it's all connected.
Starting point is 00:14:10 Right. So I don't know. It does sound honestly like crazy. But that's not a lot of world. But when you're not used to like seeing that, of course, who knows? And you do hear of these things. Obviously there are drug trafficking and human trafficking circles in the world. So everywhere.
Starting point is 00:14:28 It's a huge problem. And so to play devil's advocate, some of it can't be confirmed. Right. And there are some parts of the story that you're like, yeah, so this part you can totally feel like, yeah, that's totally true. And then who know?
Starting point is 00:14:41 And you just don't know. He's an inmate in for manslaughter. He really doesn't have a whole lot to lose. So it's like, he doesn't have a lot to lose and he doesn't have anything to gain. But he could potentially like get anything shaved off his sentence. He can't.
Starting point is 00:14:54 No, because they asked him. They said, is the FBI offering you anything? Is anyone offering you anything? And he said no. And the FBI confirmed we are not giving him a plea deal. He is not getting anything shaved off is nothing Yes So if anything the only thing he has to lose is like he's gonna have a time in person
Starting point is 00:15:10 Yeah, because he's a snitch now, right? He was actually pissed and filed a lawsuit against one of the agents in the FBI for releasing his name. Oh shit Yeah, but it's it's all not I was literally gonna say this is crazy But it's it's all not I was literally going to say this is crazy. So what he's saying is that she was I mean throughout the month She was held and the FBI has confirmed they know she was held for a period of time and then killed Mm-hmm and that she was sexually assaulted during this time. So is story does make sense? You know that I mean I know this was a traffic situation. I can't imagine Don Drexel knowing that. I can't. And when you see these places, the stash house and herman's house,
Starting point is 00:15:51 I accidentally found some pictures. Wow. Knowing your child was in there. Knowing your child was in there, and then going back and thinking to Brittany, pulling up to these places, being like, that is your worst nightmare. You and I were talking about it, and we were like, that is some Texas chainsaw type shit.
Starting point is 00:16:08 Straight up. Straight up. And then he also said, and the FBI has confirmed that several people saw her during this month that she was being held captive. Several people assaulted her. Several people were involved in all of this. There was, I've read something that said like, if you're like traffic, and this is horrible, but if you're trafficking a girl,
Starting point is 00:16:29 you can like put her out for business up to like 30 times a night. Jesus Christ. Or a day or like a day at night. So it's like the amount of money and like horror, she must have gone through is unbelievable. For that amount of time, that's a lot of time. That makes me nauseous.
Starting point is 00:16:51 And I think they saw that towards the end of May, she was really hardening on trying to find her. And her face was everywhere. There were billboards going up. Her family wasn't letting go. And they were like, this is too much heat. We gotta get rid of her. Well, and then you think about it. And what, or did you say the guy's name that came forward to Kwan Brown? To Kwan Brown.
Starting point is 00:17:11 You think of it. He saw her two times accidentally when he wasn't supposed to see her. So you have to wonder how many people saw her that they were like, Oh, shit, this person saw her here, this person saw her here. Now it faces everywhere. We got to get her out of here. Absolutely. And he said in the interview that We got to get her out of here. Absolutely. And he said in the interview that he did about this, he said, quote, after she was killed,
Starting point is 00:17:31 some of her remains were buried in a garden area. And after some time went by, they removed it from the garden area. And then he said that when her remains were dug up, he said some of them were taken to that gator pit and others were placed in a stolen SU or a stolen RV and taken to a scrapyard Wow now what's interesting is police reports Do say that a nearby neighbors RV was stolen around that time. Oh wow
Starting point is 00:18:00 And it would and a lot of time that's very like I know like mob people will do that to like put remains in the trunk of a car and then put it in a scrap yard and it gets crushed. They can't ever see it again. One, you think about, I mean, these people probably have done this before from the sounds of it. Yeah, and again, I, who knows who's involved in this? It's, you just don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:22 And that's, it's insane. And again, he said he never made any deals with the FBI. He's not getting anything out of this. It's you just don't know. And that's it's insane. And again, he said he never made any deals with the FBI. He's not getting anything out of this. Well, that's good to know what interesting because it does it makes it makes it more believable. It sweetens the pot. Mm-hmm. For sure. This whole thing is like so fucked up. This I have been thinking about this all weekend. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And in 2016, Taylor had a detention hearing for that McDonald's robbery in 2011 that he was like a great driver. Because he got like a great last time. Yeah, he got like nothing. And this is when FBI agent
Starting point is 00:18:57 Jeric Munoz took the stand. And he said that this is when he revealed that Taylor was one of the main suspects in the direct cell disappearance. And he said, quote, we've had several people have come up and given us testimony outlining Mr. Taylor's involvement in this particular case. Wow. So now he's saying several people. Yeah, so it's not just this guy. And they're probably not releasing those people because they're probably not inmates. So they're going to give them a little more protection, I would assume, because you know, the world just how the world works. So I'm assuming they're kind of just like, you know, to Con Brown is being used as like the, here we go. The one saying it and everybody else they might keep because they're going to probably
Starting point is 00:19:40 try to work with these other people. Well, that's the thing you can't keep something. They're on the outside there. It's probably not easier to murder them because I know that happens in jail, but it presents a lot more fun on the outside. And they also could potentially continue to gather information. Right. So who knows if they are like maybe even got wired somehow. Yeah, like you just don't know. So you want to keep those relationships, you know, copacetic.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Close to the chest. Exactly. So he did testify that many people witness Drexel being killed and thrown into the gator pit. They searched a lot of these pits around the area, but they said there's like 40 plus of these particular ones in that area. So, and again, this not a lot you can look for. Well, that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Because it's not like alligators, you know, well, this is horrifying, but like when they're eating like a person or an animal, it's not like alligators, you know, well, this is horrifying, but like when they're eating like a person or an animal, it's not like they're eating it like a chicken wing and they're leaving the bones. They just eat it, right? And it's like you said there was even boars in that first area. Exactly. And they'll eat shit up their own brown there. So unfortunately, it's horrifying to think about. I hope that this is not, and none of this is true. I hope none of this is true. I hope this is all just bullshit. I hope someday she comes walking down the street
Starting point is 00:20:53 and is like, I've had a no deal, but here I am. I unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen at the ending. I think this is seeming to be at least, and the FBI does believe this is the story. Like whether these are the right people involved or not, this is the story. Right. And that sucks.
Starting point is 00:21:12 I can't fathom what Don and Chad and her biological father, John are going through and her brother and sister, her friends, I can't imagine. And her boyfriend at the time, John. This whole case is so heartbreaking. Obviously every case is heartbreaking, but this case just... It's just so much.
Starting point is 00:21:31 I'm sorry, but would you involve an alligator pit in a human life? Oh, horrifying. What? That is like horror movie type shit. Creepy houses where like, she's just in there with like eight to 12 men who just don't give a shit about a human being. It's like, oh my God. It is so scary.
Starting point is 00:21:48 It's a nightmare. Human trafficking. The thing is number one on my list of fears. Oh, it's the scariest thing and it's such a problem. We had an Ellison Hotel. I haven't had a chance to read it on the area, but we had one where this girl was at like Walmart or Target. And like she said, there was like three guys with earpieces
Starting point is 00:22:05 and she felt like everywhere she went in the store, at least one of them was looking at her and talking into the little... You have to be... Your head has to be on a swivel at all times. Whenever I go somewhere, I don't go anywhere alone anymore. No, I don't either.
Starting point is 00:22:18 Ever. And it sucks. And what really sucks is like, she was kind of like a prime target because she was out by herself at night I'm by no means is it somebody's fault So I'm just saying like it's it sucks that she was in a position where she was vulnerable She was vulnerable because she was also texting
Starting point is 00:22:36 So she wasn't her head was probably her own because she was we know she was texting John the entire time And who knows if Jennifer was still shitting her pants about her about her shorts quote unquote shorts. So she she was texting so she wasn't Totally paying attention to her which at 17 she probably she just probably wasn't thinking at any age I mean on the strip you walked on the street How many people do you see with their phones buried in their face? Exactly. It's excuse me in their phones I remember I used to work on Newberry Street,
Starting point is 00:23:05 and I remember when I started working, and I would park in different garages, Papa was a mess. Oh yeah. Papa was like, do not be texting when you're walking at night. Like, you better like have your head on a swivel. Like, you have to. You have to always, and he always taught us that. But another inmate did corroborate Brown's story.
Starting point is 00:23:25 So another inmate said that he knows what happened to. Like he saw, and he said, she was abducted from Murdle Beach and brought down to McLeodle and Vell to be trafficked. That was the, the alcohol. And they said, like we said, that they started getting nervous
Starting point is 00:23:40 when it started getting all over the news and that they had to dispose of her. It's horrific, but the entire thing makes sense. Yeah. And what that Jeric Munoz, hopefully I'm saying, his name right, Jeric, I think it is, or I don't think it's Jeric. I've known people name Jeric. Jeric, I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:23:56 So Munoz, the FBI agent Munoz, he said that his belief is that Taylor, quote, showed her off, introduced her to some other friends that were there, they ended up tricking her out with some of their friends, offering her up to them and getting a human trafficking situation. I fully believe human trafficking was involved here. Me too. Whether it was the end game or whether it was just the between, that was definitely what they were planning to take. A goal at some point.
Starting point is 00:24:22 Now, Taylor's mother and Sean Taylor's wife, Joan Taylor, obviously thinks this is insanity and which any mother would. I'm sure you don't want to believe your child would do this or your husband for that matter. She also pointed out the fact that he only has one arm and that it would be very difficult to grab a girl off the street. I was going to point that out. Of course it is. Of course we know people can do lots of things with one limb.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Well, and who's to say that there wasn't somebody else in the car that grabbed her? It's also, I don't know if he's a right ear or left ear, but it's also his left arm that is gone. Well, and he's had how many years of... He's had many years to get used to having one arm. Look at Soul Surfer. Yeah, there you go. So that, of course, that is something to having one arm. Look at Soul Surfer. Yeah, there you go. So that, of course,
Starting point is 00:25:06 that is something to take into consideration. Absolutely. That he was also 16 at the time. So he was probably smaller than he was now. Who knows? I don't have a picture of him. We pointed out Brittany was what? Five. She was tiny. And like, what'd you say, like a hundred pounds soaking wet. So it's like, but of course his mother Joan says, you know, that was a busy area. That would have been a hard one to do. That's what we also have to think, was it him who did it? He could have been driving the car. Right. It wasn't necessarily him who jumped out and grabbed her.
Starting point is 00:25:40 It wasn't, who knows if that's even how it happened. We pointed out that there was another like a legit kidnapping in the middle of the day there. Exactly. That actually his father Sean was accused of being part of. He was released because he had an alibi for that day. Right. But it's a little weird. It's weird that this family has a lot of abductions that get lodged at them. And it's worth mentioning. It's strange and it's worth mentioning, but it's also worth mentioning that nothing has been charged here. Because obviously we have to tell you the facts and give you both sides. And honestly, my opinion is that it's suspicious.
Starting point is 00:26:18 It's suspicious that this family has this many things attached to it. Attached to it. That's a weird thing. Whenever that happens, usually the way they smoke this fire, and I feel like something's going on there, who knows if it's this, but there's something. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:33 Either way, the younger Taylor was interviewed by NBC News 10 in 2019, and he used the phrase when they asked, like, do you have anything to say to Brittany's family? He said, I apologize for their loss when speaking about it. And the interviewer was like, you could see how that would be. That could be taken, right? That you're apologizing for their loss.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Like, you have some... Any lawyer would be like, do not apologize. He was literally like, you know how that can be misinterpreted, right? And he was like, well, yeah, but like I just mean. Like, but it's like things like that that he says that he's not totally taking himself out of it. I understand he might have just had a slip of the tongue and was like, you know, I'm sorry for their loss.
Starting point is 00:27:14 And he's just saying, maybe he's not involved and he does feel bad. And he really is just saying, I'm sorry for your loss. Like we don't know. That's what is so frustrating about this case, I know. It makes a lot of sense that he's involved, but then you're like, I don't know, that's what is so frustrating about this case. I know. It makes a lot of sense that he's involved, but then you're like, I don't know. Is it?
Starting point is 00:27:29 We have nothing truly concrete here, right? It's a point two. Now in 2019, the FBI did search Herman's home in Jacksonboro. They found nothing that they could use. But how fucking... But again, years later. That's 10 years later. That's 10 years later. They did people, you know, did ask like,
Starting point is 00:27:48 could they have found DNA? Could there be anything left there? And they said sure there could be, but like, it really just depends. Well, like, when he died, did the, like, did he have a wife or something that kept the house or did new people live there? I think it just became abandoned.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Oh, pretty sure. Yeah. It was like, and then you think of that when a place is abandoned. A lot of things are gonna get destroyed. Of course. Brain, like anything, you know? Well, this is what's very interesting. So in May 2019, a home belonging to the Taylor family,
Starting point is 00:28:16 burned down, randomly. I wish that I hadn't found that on the internet before you told me, because how do you told me? I would've been like, what the fuck? Well, this home was right near the stash house mentioned, and this was in Maclaulandville. It was right near the stash house mentioned by Brown.
Starting point is 00:28:33 The FBI won't release whether this is the other home or not that they searched, but people think that this was the tailor's getting nervous and destroying possible evidence. You would think, though, that you wouldn't do that because that looks incredibly shady. But it looks shady, sure. But that's it.
Starting point is 00:28:50 It just looks shady. Yeah, that's true. There's nothing that came out of this. And if it was destroying evidence, they destroyed evidence. Oh, yeah. And they left nothing that could connect them to it, except people just going that shady.
Starting point is 00:29:03 And they don't give a fuck. Seriously. So, and there wasn't any obvious signs of arson, but there was no power going to that home. It had been built 80 years ago. Right. So, so it wasn't like this thing- An electrical fire. There was no electrical fire. It had been abandoned for years, and it literally just in nothing around it. Just the home burst into flames and was engulfed in flames, like completely engulfed.
Starting point is 00:29:28 Yeah, you can see a picture of it. And we'll post it. It, I just think that's really weird. It is really weird. It's really, really weird. And according to ABC 13 WHAM, I don't know if it's just called like WHAM. It should be. Kidaver dogs hit on a scent near the San T. River where the phone was originally taken
Starting point is 00:29:51 that creepy swamp area. And they said that the Kidaver dogs hit. And they said a private investigation firm was that who was like consisting of retired law enforcement officers, like homicide detectives, they were called into aid local law enforcement in this search. And they found, while they were searching out here, physical evidence buried in the dirt that ties her, Brittany, to this area, near the gator pit, but the FBI hasn't looked at it because it was gathered by retired law enforcement, like a private investigation firm. So the evidence is just sitting in a locker in a room at this private investigation firm
Starting point is 00:30:32 in a box. Why won't they look at it? Because I guess, so when I saw the interview, it was with a retired homicide detective named Steve Pickering, I think is a name was, and he said the only thing he can think of, he said, they might be wary to look at it right now until they can truly get something else maybe, like a bigger thing because he said continuity, like evidence continuity. This wasn't found by the FBI. This wasn't found by local law enforcement. This was found by retired law enforcement. Which if anything, those are the fucking people to trust how long Are they been doing they are but in a court of law? They're not at all
Starting point is 00:31:07 I know it's like if they brought that into court and were like so these guys and this private investigation firm found this in the dirt They'd be like nothing like sense in court. It's frustrating. So It is very frustrating. He said you know He was like what is even more frustrating? He's like these are retired law enforcement officers like they're not just random guys off the street Right like this wasn't just like a search party of like Tom, Jack, and Harry So he said when they were this whole team that was put on the Drexel case He said they felt like they were really getting somewhere. He said they were very close the private something Yeah, he said they were all very even local enforcement. He said that team was very close to finding
Starting point is 00:31:44 real solid evidence here. And then he said they were removed from the case and a new team was put on it because they wanted fresh eyes on the case. Why do you need fresh eyes if shit's getting done? And they were like, what the fuck? They were like, that's not fair. These people have worked for years to like put this together and then they just switched it out.
Starting point is 00:32:03 And Don, Brittany's mother is like, what the hell? Like that? Why would you take these people off at least? Right, like they're getting hot on a trail and you remove some weird. It's just a rumored. It's all weird. Very weird. Trafficking is a very interesting thing. And then I wonder. So we're gonna, we're gonna go back to, skirt back to the shorts. Her friends there. Because then we're going to read our little email. Did police, so I know that they talked, police investigators talked to the friends, they talked to Peter and his friends.
Starting point is 00:32:34 I am, I don't know about Peter, I don't know. The whole thing about not Peter, Peter left in the middle of the night, which I already said, yes, that's weird, but I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing. I don't know. I don't know. I definitely think it's weird. I still think it's weird.
Starting point is 00:32:49 I don't know why not just wait till 5 AM. Because remember, the only thing that I will give them is that it's like a bunch of idiot dudes at a hotel room and like probably three of them are like, we gotta get out of here, man. We gotta get out of here. That's the only thing I can think of. It's still doesn't vibe with me.
Starting point is 00:33:04 It doesn't vibe with me at all, but that I can understand. What I can't understand in any way, shape or form, is that Alana and Jennifer were leaving hotels in the middle of the night, not switching hotel rooms. Like, it's not like the bed wasn't comfy or there was a leak in the hotel room. Total different hotels. You're leaving a hotel and not the next day,
Starting point is 00:33:26 the middle of the night. And just to further hammer in the idea that this seems like it was a human trafficking situation that went even further away, I looked into some of the statistics around Myrtle Beach because if you see any of these things, a lot of the investigators and officials will be like, this never happens here, it's like this is not the kind of place. It's a sleepy little town. They told you they're lying.
Starting point is 00:33:52 So in 2017, 84 kids were rescued, and 130 traffickers were arrested in an FBI sting operation in Columbia and Myrtle Beach. A lot happened in a Myrtle Beach hotel. Mm-hmm. So, and then in 2020, it was reported that Myrtle Beach had the worst violent crime rate per 100,000 people out of a study of 10 beach communities.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Wow. And that included Daytona Beach and Panama Beach. It was also worse than Chicago. Whoa. Married. And also in 2020, Hori County, OCH, H-O-R-R-Y County in South Carolina, was named the number one human trafficking hub in South Carolina.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Wow. And it is about an hour and a half outside of Macleulandville. At the time, the attorney general said they were only about seven or eight years into really understanding and utilizing their task force against human trafficking. So they were only seven or eight years in in 2020. So when Brittany, when the so thing happened with Brittany, they were not ready to deal with it. They just didn't know that it was so huge then.
Starting point is 00:35:02 So in conclusion, taking all that in, it's definitely a human trafficking situation. I believe, I do too. Obviously, I don't know. Do I know the tailors are involved? No, I don't know that for sure. Does it look bad? For them?
Starting point is 00:35:18 Yeah, it does. Really, really bad. Do I need more information? Yes. But as of 2020, we're still just kind of like waiting for the FBI to release anything else. I do wonder if they have a few things that they're just holding on to right now, maybe tying up some loose ends, maybe talking to some people that they wanted to talk to. I'm hoping. I would love to see this case closed.
Starting point is 00:35:40 I need for Don John and John and John. For Don and Chad and John. I need this case just to sew it up just so she doesn't. I know it would be horrific to hear either way. Absolutely. You know, this is a horrific, horrific case no matter what. But I think they just need to be able to like put the lid on it, you know. Yeah. Like it must be horrible to be sitting there flapping in the breeze, not knowing for sure,
Starting point is 00:36:07 hearing this awful story and not really knowing if it happened or not, like, the whole thing is just really, really bad. It's really bad. It's horrible. And my heart goes out to the Drexel fan world. And John Greco and like all her friends, like that's just, it's awful.
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