Morbid - Episode 206: The Bennington Triangle

Episode Date: January 31, 2021

Alaina keeps it real weird this week and covers a spooooky topic: the Bennington Triangle in Vermont. We’ve got all this Morbid over there, disappearances, murders and even man eating rocks.... I SAID WHAT I SAID.  As always, thank you to our sponsors: Hellofresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/10morbid and use code 10morbid for 10 free meals, including free shipping  Upstart: Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/​MORBID​ Plushcare: Go to PlushCare.com/morbid to start your FREE 30-day trial.  Babbel: go to BABBEL.com and use promo code MORBID  Embark: Go to Embarkvet.com now to get free shipping and save $30 off your Embark Breed and Health Kit with Promo code Morbid See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:28 That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, weirdos, I'm Alina. I'm Ash. And this is morbid at night. It's morbid at night, morbid after dark. Oh my god, I was gonna say, oh my god. Well, here is the thing. Let me just jump right into what's gonna happen here.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Okay. We've been doing some pretty intense cases lately. Yeah. Yeah. One's that because every, every case is very sad. Obviously, this no case that you're like, wow, that was a great one. Murder and satanists go hand in hand. They tend to. They tend to. And but the last few cases we've done, I feel like people have been like, wow, like my soul has shattered and I don't know if I can go on. And we have felt also like ashes last the last one. I was like, didn't know this one was going to hurt me as much as it did. And oh my goodness.
Starting point is 00:02:37 And see, the thing that sucked about that was like, I was like, wow, we've been doing a lot of teenage girl cases where the teens die. So I was like, let's focus on the men. And then afterwards, I was like, yeah, we've been doing a lot of teenage girl cases where the teen's die. So I was like, let's focus on the men. And then afterwards, I was like, yeah, that was a really sad case. Yeah, that one just took a piece of me. I saw a lot of responses that were like, it was a great episode.
Starting point is 00:02:52 And that's why people were like, wow, I'm like really sad now. I'm ripped up. So I was like, okay, I can either like take you further into the depths, which I'm not going to lie. There was a big part of me that was like, I could really take this. And I have a case that I was like, who do I take them?
Starting point is 00:03:09 And don't worry, I'm going to take it next week. I know, I'm going to take it next week. I'm only giving you a tiny little perp-breathe you do. But, and you'll find out obviously what I will. But I decided to give us a little bit of a breather, just for one episode. Just for the end of the week. Still a lot of true crime. I did to give us a little bit of a breather, just for one episode. Just for the end of the week.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Still a lot of true crime, but also some paranormal. Okay. We got some big feet. Big feet foot. We got a little bit of UFO, little UFOs. UFO. We got some.
Starting point is 00:03:38 You've been grown. Some disappearances. And we have a ghost town. Yeah. What we have is the Bennington triangle in Vermont. Oh, we love a ghost town. Yeah. What we have is the Bennington Triangle in Vermont. Oh, we love a good triangle. We love a triangle. Everybody thinks it's just permuda.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Nope, not permuda. And we are in the bridge water triangle currently. At all times pretty much. So look at that. At all times. And then, so this one's in Vermont. It's the Bennington Triangle. And I chose this because, yeah, there's some murders.
Starting point is 00:04:04 There's some gnarly murders in this. And It's the Bennington triangle. And I chose this because yeah, there's some murders. There's some gnarly murders in this. And there's some pretty scary disappearances. But anything that has big feet, ufos, and some man eating rocks, perhaps? What? Yeah. Yeah, I said it.
Starting point is 00:04:22 I said man eating rocks, rocks that eat men. Are they like big rocks? I mean, I don't know. But I do know that, you know, this has it, this has it involved. So, do I feel like we get to that part first because I have many a question. Well, here's the thing, we don't know a lot
Starting point is 00:04:41 about the man eating rocks, but we will get to them. I love that you were like, we've got man eating rocks. We did, I was like, so are they big and you're like, I's a thing. We don't know a lot about the man eating rocks, but we will get to them. I love that you were like, we've got man eating rocks. We did. I was like, so are they big? And you're like, I don't know. I was like, so like, do we get to them first? And you're like, well, I don't have much on them. Like the main thing that I'm like, what about that?
Starting point is 00:04:55 You're like, well, shut up. I'm like, it's a footnote, okay? I could fuck off. But either way, this is a lot of fun. This is a lot of fun. This is a lot of fun. It only makes sense. It would only make sense on the show that a footnote would be Man Eating Rocks.
Starting point is 00:05:12 That it's like a cast aside story. Yes. But yeah, it's a Man Eating Rocks. Also, let's talk about this. There are four also. It's there for also Man Eating Rocks. So there's a few rocks involved in this whole situation actually. I'm not as mad at it. I think we all need this. Again, don't worry. If you're
Starting point is 00:05:38 thinking like, oh, no, they've gone soft for an episode, no, because they're smarter. Bitch, that's the worst. There's men eating rocks, I don't know if they've said it. They're smarter. And there's some disappearances that are real, very real. And they freaked me out last night, I will say. Oh, they freaked you out. They just freaked me out. It's spooky.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Oh, wait, really quick. OK, so they freaked you out, because I was like, I'm already going to be freaked out. Because after this, me and Alina are having a little sister date tonight. Oh, yes. I just hit, I'm like, together as I like bang my microphone, together indoors at her house,
Starting point is 00:06:10 like not elsewhere. We're gonna watch that new movie, Little Things. The Little Things with my favorite actor ever, Jared Leto. Yeah. No, not my favorite actor ever, but I love Jared Leto. You're excited? I like Jared Leto Stan.
Starting point is 00:06:27 I'm a Jared Leto head through and through. And he wore a prosthetic nose for this part. He didn't sleep to look like really, to look like me. He didn't sleep to like many serial killers, don't? Yeah, and he just looks crazy in this. I'm very excited to see him. I always love to see him like really overact.
Starting point is 00:06:47 I love it. I'm excited. And then Denzel's in it, and he has the same birthday as me, so I feel connected to him. You can never go wrong with Denzel. No, I'm ready for it, and we'll let you know how it is in case nobody's seen it. Cool.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Because you all know, critics don't appreciate these kind of movies, so don't listen to them. All right, so let's jump into this, shall we? Jump. The Bennington Triangle. As soon as I saw the name Bennington Triangle, I immediately thought of Chester Bennington, RIP used to be obsessed with him. Alaina was deeply, deeply obsessed.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Like deeply in love with Chester Bennington. And so that meant like third grade me was really obsessed and the other third graders did not understand. I had notebooks that were covered in picture. I don't know who you're talking to because I know. Like any of my friends from junior high will tell you it was a sickness. There was also like posters all over your room.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Yeah, all over. I loved him. So RIP gesture betting said it really still hurts my heart. I know I always, I forget and then you'll say that. That was the worst. That and like Bowie were the ones that really hurt my heart. So, moving on to that. So this triangle is basically surrounding the areas of Bennington, Somerset and Woodford. And then there's Glastonbury right in the middle.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Okay. This is all in Vermont. They all take, they're all mainly in like Bennington County area of Vermont. I'm not super familiar with Vermont. I'm glad you said that because- Yeah, you're like, okay. We're really close to Vermont. And like I feel like my little sister actually lives in Vermont and I know nothing about Vermont.
Starting point is 00:08:23 I mean, I know like I know, I'm just not very familiar with the geography of it. I know, like, Burlington. I was shut up. I was just gonna say that. And then I was like, I know Ted Bundy was born there. That's what I saw. That's my extensive knowledge of Vermont.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Yeah. And what's funny about this is these places have, especially like Somerset and Glastonberry, they have very low populations. And when I say low, I mean Somerset has a population of two. Two people. Two. Dose.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Do. How many people do you need to make a town? I don't think it has to do with people because when I looked at this, it's Glastonberry and we're going to get into this is still a town technically and it only has like six people in it. So really creepy. I don't know exactly what it takes to keep a town a town, but I do know that glassed and berry was taken over by the US National Forest Service. Like so it's not, it's like an unincorporated town that is now owned by the US National Forest Service. So I think there's all kinds of weird little like
Starting point is 00:09:30 loopholes and chit- loopholes and things that you can do. So, glassed at Berry. We really got to talk about this. This is the center of everything. This is where this whole thing takes place. It's the really like just the lightning rod of all of this. Okay. Now it was chartered and granted by Governor Bennington Wentworth of New Hampshire. Bennington Wentworth? I feel like you have to say it like that. Yeah, I think you do too. It's in Bennington County, like I said.
Starting point is 00:09:55 It makes sense. Yep, just going back to that. It's a ghost town now. It's, well, it's called a ghost town now, but like I said, it's still technically a town. Is this the one where the two people live or is this where the sixty-one are set? This is where the say we'll get into it. Okay. It's a it was abandoned at the tail end of the 19th century It's 27,000 acres
Starting point is 00:10:16 It was in it was granted and chartered in 1761 That's when it like really became a town. It's when it went on the map That's when it really just started, you know, all of its bullshit. It was basically built on a fucking mountain, oh, which is like not a great place to put a town. Nope. And it's incredibly difficult to get to even today.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Do you literally just have to climb the mountain to get there? Literally, you have to climb the mountain to get there. Fuck that. Most of Glastonbury is in the Green Mountain State Forest. Like it's, most of it is a forest. This is the weirdest should I have ever heard already. It's also over 3,000 feet up into the mountains.
Starting point is 00:10:55 Why though? Yeah, it has 12 mountain peaks within it. Like why, why are you doing so much Glastonbury? Now in 1791, they did the first census of the town, and there were six families living there in 1791. By 1800, they had all left, and eight new families had moved in, and eventually whittled down to one family. And it was basically uninhabitable,
Starting point is 00:11:20 but they were like, basically Glastonbury was like, I am going to be a town dammit, live in me. Okay. And people were like, okay, and it wasn't really until after the Civil War that the towns around Glastonberry were suddenly like, oh wait, Glastonberry has a lot of trees. Mm-hmm. We need wood to like survive.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Like we need wood to eat our homes. We need wood to cook in our homes. We need wood to make our homes. Like that's literally need wood. So, whoa, you guys have a lot of wood. That's a pretty big deal. Wood is that bitch. So now glass and berry became became the bell of the ball,
Starting point is 00:12:07 because the logging boom is now like boom. So they were like, we can do this. Okay. I love that you are making yourself just long. I think I'm so funny tonight. I don't know what it is. I think you're funny. Yeah, they had an entire forest worth of wood,
Starting point is 00:12:25 so they were like, let's mine this shit. And they really leaned into this and ended up building 12 brick kilns to aid in processing this wood and making it into charcoal as well. So they were like all on this. They were doing the trees. Yeah, they really leaned into this.
Starting point is 00:12:40 And this was done in what's known as Southern Glastonberry, which is kind of like down the street. Like really you need a Southern Glasston Berry, I'm not really sure. There was also, so this little town had like a tiny one-room school house. Oh, that's cute. A general store in a boarding home for like mill workers.
Starting point is 00:12:58 And then it also had like the kilns. So it was a very tiny little setup. Now in 1872, a railway trolley was built up the mountain to aid with this, which was like, the railroads come in huge. What? What? Everyone was losing their shit.
Starting point is 00:13:14 It's a big deal. Including me back then. I was like, the railroad is coming, guys. I was like, the railroad is coming, guys. It's crazy. It was also the steepest railroad ever built in the United States. The one leading up to this.
Starting point is 00:13:25 I was gonna say I was like, isn't this up like a huge mountain? So essentially that's a roller coaster. In your mind you're like, are you sure that a railroad was coming? I was like, I feel like it's a roller coaster. Did you know what really was wrong? It really was. That's a entry and that's a roller coaster. It certainly was.
Starting point is 00:13:38 So the population around 1880, the population kind of boomed to 250 people. Well everybody wanted to see that railroad. So what? They were like, let's see of boomed to 250 people. Well, everybody wanted to see that real hot. They were like, let's see this roller coaster up the mountain. And they were also like, let's get some wood. Let's sell some trees. Yes. Let's deforest this place. There's no trees anywhere else.
Starting point is 00:13:57 So the towns all around this town were so dependent on it. That they were, you know, now they were thinking, what else can we do? Because this is a huge business. And in the next few years, unfortunately, things went up, but then things went down. Because you do, on roller coasters. Of course, because they had farmed most of the mature trees, because they were like flying through this.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Suddenly they're kind of running out of mature trees to farm for wood. No, locks and junk. And all of a sudden, economically, they're dipping down very dramatically. They seem to have slight a slight revival and they decided to kind of really lean into this like very small revival they had and they decided to go towards the tourism side because this is a weird place. So they're like, why let's just go with it? I mean, they, so they were like, let's be like a mountain resort type thing. Cute.
Starting point is 00:14:46 Like it's a very different kind of place. So in the summer of 1898, they built a dance hall with a dining room. Get it? A casino, which you can see pictures of it will post them. It has such a spooky cool vibe to it. This casino is like on like a hill. It's just so weird.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Well, it ruined things if I ask if this place still exists. It does. It all exists. It's not in use. Like it's all like abandoned. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to climb it out and yeah. Well, can't we take the real way up? No, the real way it doesn't go up there anymore. Oh, well, lost me there. Can't we take the rail? No, we can not. Unfortunately. Can we drive up? We cannot drive up.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Maybe we can, you have to drive in the park and get your ass up in there and then hike. Yeah, and I'm not hiking. Do you see the shirt that I'm again wearing today? Again, Nash is wearing that in Dorsey shirt. I always wear this sweatshirt. You didn't even know. No, I didn't. You didn't even know. And I'd like to advertise to you that wearing that in Dorsey shirts. I always wear this sweatshirt. You didn't even know. No, I didn't. You didn't even know.
Starting point is 00:15:46 And I'd like to advertise to you that I'm in Dorsey. So fun. Well, this place, they also built the Glastonberry Inn and a hatchery for trout to really cook some fancy dinners. Oh, yeah, they were just fancy. They were, I mean, back then, yeah. They were doing the damn thing and the photos are so spooky. I can't wait to post them, because I'm so weird. I'm about to goog so then so everything's like whoa here. We are we're mountain resort
Starting point is 00:16:10 Look at all these cool things then then there was a massive Unforeseen flood that literally took out all sources of transportation It destroyed the railroad and bridges getting up to this place and they tried. There was never actually fixed and rebuilt. Despite like being multiple attempts to get it going again, there was actually a small pox outbreak at the Glastonbury lumber camp and it stopped all rebuilding efforts in 1903. Fuck that. So people started moving out of here to areas with better opportunities because obviously if no one's coming up here,
Starting point is 00:16:46 tourism's dead now, we're not getting any money. What's the point? You can't really fill those trees all the time anymore, so we gotta get out of here. Let's leave. So six people live in Glastonbury now, and it's an unincorporated town because of the low population.
Starting point is 00:17:00 It's owned by the US National Forest Service, like I said, and if you go there, what's crazy is you can see a few tiny homes, like three tiny homes or something where these people live, and they have all put in front of their homes, handwritten signs that are like threatening like non-locals, like don't park here, like literally say like don't park here or else. What? Which, to which I say like, or else what? I gotta know what's gonna happen. This is a very like wrong turn down my life. It's a very wrong turn, ask. Very like, it's just, I'm scared. Yeah, I'm scared.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Many people, I kept reading these accounts where people were like, yeah, we hiked up there. And then we saw those like, those handwritten signs and we were like, we should move our car really far away. Like even though we weren't near these homes. So what you're telling me is we cannot go. Or else, not finding out what or else. Yeah, I don't want to.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I mean, I've watched enough of those movies to be like, why did you do that? Yeah, no, no. So I'm not going to do that. Isn't wrong turn a movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's with the Liza dish. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm not going to. So I'm not gonna do that. Isn't wrong turn a movie? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is. Where the lies of the dish could be.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Yeah, no, no, I'm not gonna. I'm not about to be. No, no, no. So now that we know what Glastonberry is all about, we're gonna take it before Glastonberry was a town. Just to give a little insight as to its bad luck, if you will. So Native Americans in the area called the land cursed. And they said they would not step foot on it.
Starting point is 00:18:30 The only time they would step foot on it was to bury their dead. Oh, yeah. And they said they definitely wouldn't live on it. It was sacred in some kind of way, but not in a good way. Not in the livable way. So supposedly the forest is so dense
Starting point is 00:18:44 that it almost has like an oaky gihara, like the suicide forest kind of vibe to it, where the denseness creates this like suffocating silence. No, yeah, it kind of like closes out all sound. No, and these Native Americans said that there was, this was a place where the four winds met in an eternal struggle. That sounds like the enchanted forest and for us.
Starting point is 00:19:05 Doesn't it? It kind of does. It does. Which is like somewhere you don't want to be either. Into the unknown. And unless you have Elsa with you, which I don't. Me? I don't want to go here.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Now in 1867, something, so there is a wild, like a wild man that they talk about with this, like it's like a lore kind of thing. And in 1862, this seven, this is before the wild man, like really became like a thing around here. And it was this guy who they said used to live in a cave in the woods in Somerset, which is like the surrounding town. He would come out of the mountains, wearing a coat, and he would open it to like, expose himself to women in the town while showing them a gun to scare them, and then they would run away, and he would just run back into the mountains, and no one could really catch him. So then he was apparently chased out of town. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:04 He was fucking chased out of town, like, and they don't know where he went. out of town. Yeah. He was fucking chased out of town. Like, and they don't know where he went. Out of town. Out of town. Just gone, dude. So it's like, and then after that, now people say, and he's different from the Bennington Monster, which we will talk about.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I was like, I didn't know about him. I was gonna say, there's a Bennington Monster. But this wild man, people will say they see him, like, in the woods, this guy in a coat. He's lurking. He's just lurking around, ready to flash you. They're not cool.
Starting point is 00:20:30 This reminds me of a member of the thing that drew sad, I don't know where it is, but the wild guy that chases you while you're on a trolley. Oh my god, yes. Do you also love that I was just like, on a trolley? On a trolley? On a trolley?
Starting point is 00:20:42 On a trolley? Yeah, no, I don't want anything to do with this wild man. I don't want anything to do with any wild man. In case you're wondering about this Bennington monster that I talked about, he's essentially the big foot. Okay, they talk about what they think might be that just scared the absolute shit out of me. I'm not gonna lie. Did you shit? I think I just briefly died.
Starting point is 00:20:58 I think I clinically just passed over to the other side. I was quickly deceased and here I am. I've seen sign. Only. So that was big news for us. Holy shit, that just hurt to me. Because I thought it was a big foot like whaling in the trees. That's what I was like. I'm glad that that's what you thought. I thought that was one of your children screaming. No, I didn't think it was one of my kids. I thought that was a big foot whaling in the trees.
Starting point is 00:21:38 That's what I thought. To big foot's whale. That one did. So I don't know. Well, this one supposedly does. Oh, okay. So that's one of the things. People now will hear, like, moaning and groaning and all kinds of other owning in the woods.
Starting point is 00:21:53 Moaning, groaning and owning. Yeah, just moaning, groaning and owning and owning it. Lisa right now. And yeah, the big feet in the woods just start growling and wailing and making all kinds of sounds. Now before they knew about this big foot, that's supposedly just rooms around, which we're going to talk about him. So this was when the, when transportation was going up to Glastonbury, like way in the olden days, when stage coaches were still a thing. Out of the horses even do that. I think they
Starting point is 00:22:22 would be like transported to a certain point and then they would go up on our own. OK. So at one point, there was a stage coach full of passengers that were making their way up the mountain when it was still attempting to be a resort area. And there was a sudden rain storm, a very intense rain storm. Love it. Anybody who's been in New England knows
Starting point is 00:22:41 shit happens fast and furious here. Yeah, it does. You never know what the way of what they're going to do. It could be a blizzard. So huge intense rainstorms soon turned into a thunder and lightning situation. And so shit was getting bad. And the storm actually washed out the road
Starting point is 00:22:56 in front of the stage coach. So they were forced to stop. And the driver, they were like halfway up the mountain too. So that's no good. Because either way you're in bad shape. So the driver gets out just to see if it was even safe to proceed at any point. He's like trying to look around.
Starting point is 00:23:11 And he was like, I got to come up with a plan. What am I going to do? When he gets out of the stage coach with his lantern just to see the safety of it all, he saw large footprints in the mud ahead of them. So he saw like the unsafeest situation right ahead of him. He sure did. And they were spaced really far apart, which meant this person, this thing's gate was very large. And he was confused because he was like, wait a second, there wasn't mud here before this violent rain. So this person just walked through here. But this is very fresh.
Starting point is 00:23:43 So this person just walked through here, but this is very fresh. And now the horses are starting to freak out. Like they're acting really spooked. They are not happy. So they're making all these noises and fidgeting around. So the driver's like, hey, everybody in the stage coach, like, do you see this shit? Like, do you see these drugs? Like, what? Oh, check this out. He's like, what is this all about? So he was freaked out now.
Starting point is 00:24:05 He knew if the horses are doing this like jig that they're doing that clearly something is close. They're sensing something. So he's like, what the fuck is he like that? Yeah. So he's like, guys, get out. Like, we gotta figure this out. I'd be like, I'm not getting the fuck out. You get the back.
Starting point is 00:24:19 You get in and drive me away. Well, and the passengers are just kind of like leaning out of the stage coach, being like, what is happening up there? Don't do that with your head, I could get chopped off. Because they're looking being like, why are the horses freaking out? What are you doing out there? Like, help me.
Starting point is 00:24:33 While they're looking for him out the window, something slams into the side of the stage coach where the woods are. You're supposed to get out of there. Slams into it, rocks that shit super violently. The passengers freak out, scrambled to get out of there. Slams into it. Rocks that shit super violently. The passengers freak out, scramble to get out of this stage coach while they're getting out of it. Some more slams are coming to the side of the stage coach.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Like the thing is getting like beat from one side. It is so intense that whatever is hitting it topples the thing over on its side. What the fuck? They're all just standing there hugging each other, like probably vomiting on each other. I know I would be, hey there, pillow podcast listener, it's Elena.
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Starting point is 00:26:59 to your morning routine. Hey, prime members, listen to the Amazon Music Exclusive podcast Killer Psychie Daily in the Amazon music app. Download the app today. And then this giant terrifying creature, the one responsible for all of this walks towards them into the light of the lantern. And he just says, Hey, what's up? And he says, sorry, I don't have insurance. And then he walks back into the, no.
Starting point is 00:27:26 So then he's standing in front of them in the light in the lantern. And they said that in the rain, that because obviously it's rain, it's dark, they're panicking. All they could see that he was over eight feet tall, they said, completely covered in dark hair, with big, like, bugging eyes.
Starting point is 00:27:43 And they said, it just toppled over that stagecoach and then walked back into the woods, like, don't drive on my road again. Like, yeah. And then just walked into the woods. Like, didn't attack them. Just attacked the stagecoach and then was like, bye. That's really metal of him. And so after this incident is when the idea of the Bennington monster was officially a thing.
Starting point is 00:28:06 Oh, okay. That makes sense. So another recent sighting of a creature like this was in 2003. Mm-hmm. A guy named Ray Dufrenzi said he was driving near the mountain, saw a giant thing over seven feet tall just walking in the woods. They said it had dark hair all over it. Several witnesses in the area also came forward and said they witnessed that too.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Yeah. And if last podcast on the left has taught me anything, it's that these are big feet and that you call several big foot big feet. Yeah. And I love them for teaching me that. I remember when we did Bridgewater Triangle, I said Bigfoot feet. Yeah, Bigfoot feet. That's my favorite. I love that. Every time I think of it and I have to, I learned it from Marcus so I can't give anyone else credit for that. No, for that little.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Remember when we went to their live show? I do love it. That was a lot of fun. That was, they have a great live show. They talked about MK Ultra and shit. I loved that. It was awesome. I love last podcast on the left.
Starting point is 00:29:04 So feel listening. Hey, what's up? We like you. Let's be friends. So now that we've come up with the Bennington Monster, the Wild Man, we've set you up on Glaston Mary and how it's weird and cursed and the winds meet. It's an eternal struggle there. Let's bring it back.
Starting point is 00:29:21 I feel like my wheezing is just like attacking the microphone every time. Sorry. Let's bring it back to some moida. That's Spencer Henry would say. Yes. So moidas. On April 4th, 1892, a mill worker in Favill, which is part of Bennington, or excuse me, part of Glaston Mary.
Starting point is 00:29:41 His name was Henry McDowell, and he was a moiterah. Oh, he murdered John Crowley out of nowhere. He just lost it in the mill. He crushed his skull with a rock and then ran away. Like he just beat his skull in with a rock or a piece of wood, it's different in sources, you see? Then ran away, he was later found in North Norwalk, Connecticut.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Wow, he went far where he confessed immediately and told on enforcement that like, yeah, I have voices in my head, so I had to do it. And they were like, okay, cool. And they committed him to Vermont State asylum in Waterbury. But he escaped. Oh, shit. He escaped by sneaking onto a railway car, and then he just vanished. Of course he did. like Carl Panzeram. So it's like, is he just in the woods? Well, when was this? This was in 1892, so he's not there anymore, but I mean, like what, he just in the woods?
Starting point is 00:30:33 And is his angry spirit still in the woods? I'm willing to bet. Has he turned into a big foot? I don't know, I don't know, I just don't know. So then we moved to 1897. 40-year-old John Harbor was murdered in his deer camp. He was, he was very well-liked. He was very well, like everyone liked him. He had tons of friends. They all knew John because again there's not a lot of people in this town.
Starting point is 00:30:59 They were like, oh yeah, John. They were like, oh John. Which John? He was probably the only John there. I don't know about that. Except I did just tell you a man named John Crowley got killed. So he was the other John. And at this point, he was the only John because the other John, as we know, the other John is gone. So yeah, so he took over the job of John. He did.
Starting point is 00:31:20 He stepped up to be the John. You have to have a John, like a guy named John, in the town. You live in? So I, like a guy named John, in the town. You live in? So I feel like one is gone. The other one steps forward. John, John, John. John.
Starting point is 00:31:31 So John was John Harbor, was hunting with his brother and a friend, and were separated slightly at one point, as one does when they're hunting. Yeah. And his friend and his brother heard a rifle blast, and then they heard John yell, I've been shot. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:31:48 So they were like, oh, it wasn't us though. Like neither one of them shot the rifle. So they were like, excuse me. And they couldn't find him anywhere. Like they heard him yell that, searched everywhere, could not find him. He like vanished. But it's like a super dense forest.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Super dense forest. But they just heard him. They just heard him. And they heard a rifle shot. So they really put a fire. So they really dragged him away to eat his body. Well, 11 a.m. the following morning, they finally found him when they spotted his legs from behind a cedar tree.
Starting point is 00:32:15 His gun was neatly placed next to him. And there were no drag marks or anything. He was just sitting up against a tree. That fuck. But it was determined that he was shot somewhere else and then put under the tree. Weird. They were able to determine that he was shot not there.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Yeah. And then who the fuck did that? Who shot him, then just propped him up against a tree with his gun next to him. The next John who wanted to be John. Like what the fuck? So those are the two known murders that happened in Glastonbury. Now let's talk about the huge amount of disappearances.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Okay. That's happened here. Let's do it. So a lot of these, what's strange happened between 3 and 4 p.m. P.m. P.m. Mm. I mean, just 3 and 4 is a weird hour, but usually it's a.m.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Yeah, it's just strange that these would happen in like the middle of the afternoon. But so we're going to start in 1943. Carl Herrick. I think this one is so fucked up and weird. Awesome. November 11, 1943. Oh, not long ago. No, not that long.
Starting point is 00:33:18 37-year-old Carl was an experienced hunter and outdoorsman. And he went into the Glaston Berrywoods to go hunting with his cousin Henry Now again most of these people are gonna talk about are very experienced outdoorsman outdoors women They are survivalists. They are hunters. They are hikers. They know their shit They're not just wandering in there. I'm saying But at some point Henry and Carl became separated. You know, again, dense force. And this would happen sometimes while they were hunting, they said, like Henry said, he was like,
Starting point is 00:33:50 you know, you just like wander off to go follow something and then you end up meeting back. Usually you just go back to the campsite and you meet them there. Right. So Henry went back to the campsite at some point and Carl wasn't there. He had never made it back. So a massive search started after Henry called the police,
Starting point is 00:34:06 because he immediately called the police. He was like, no. A massive search started, and for three days, they combed the forest in surrounding areas, found nothing. What? But then after the three days, Henry was the one to stumble upon Carl laying in the woods.
Starting point is 00:34:22 He runs up to him, sees that his hunting rifle was leaning up against a tree, just like John's, un-fired. It was not fired once, and it was a ways away from him because he was on the ground like a far away from his hunting rifle. And he had no outward marks of trauma. Weir. So they were like, oh, is this a,
Starting point is 00:34:42 like some kind of like health event that happened? No, because they found huge bear tracks. What they thought were huge bear tracks around there. But they were like, this is like big for a bear. And then they were also like, but there's no outward trauma on him. So it wasn't a bear attack. Well, when they did his autopsy, they found out that he had been squeezed to death. Yes, squeezed to death. His ribs had broken and punctured his lungs, and that's how he died. Yeah, I don't know what to say. I Read this and I was like what now and then I read like six, I read this and I was like, what now? And then I read like six more sources about this and I was like, what?
Starting point is 00:35:28 It's really, is that a clinical term? His wisdom. His wisdom perforated his lungs because they were broken, well intense pressure was applied to his body. There's the clinicalness. Where does, sorry for being like so shocked. What?
Starting point is 00:35:42 Yeah. Squeezed to death. Squeezed to death. Squeezed to death. Which of course they're like, I don't know any bears that squeeze people to death. That's never been recorded. No. But bear just like squeezing someone to death
Starting point is 00:35:54 and then just dropping them and walking away. This is a literal homicide. Like that would be a bear being like, I want nothing from you. Accept your life. Then just squeezing the bed like first in a death and then just walking away. I put nothing from you. That's a bear that's a problem. That's a that's a 10-bundi bear. We don't have those out there. What? Yeah, squeeze to death. Stop. Stop saying that. Squeeze to death. So then the next one was in 1945.
Starting point is 00:36:25 This one's a curious one as well. This one is a person by the name of Midi Rivers. Oh, bitch. Fucking jazz singer is what you say. There you go. Noah, 74-year-old local respected hunting guide. So close. It's still the jazz singer.
Starting point is 00:36:39 He had recently had a physical. It was in great health. Okay. So that is not a problem. We're not talking about like somebody who had a heart attack in the woods. No health events. He was very experienced.
Starting point is 00:36:50 New is shit, new is way around the area, had been there several times, new the trails, banished in a thinner. Never do we see it again. So there's two different versions of this. He was either with his son and law hunting or he was with a group of like four hunters, like leading them. Okay. I can't, I saw both and several things and I don't think anybody can
Starting point is 00:37:10 really tell which one. They were in an area called Hell Hollow. Oh. Located in the southwest woods of Glastonbury Mountains. That's some like chilling adventures of Sabrina type shit. Hell Hollow. Yeah. The best. That might as well be, that might be a place that's the best. It might be. They were on their way back to where they were staying. And Midi was starting to kind of like, strangely pull away from the group, like up ahead, and like, quicken his pace up ahead of them.
Starting point is 00:37:39 And they were like, he felt something weird. But they just figured they'd meet him back at camps. They didn't, they were like, okay, that's where, maybe had a pee, I don't know. And when they arrived, he hadn't got there. So they were like, that's weird, but they just figured they'd meet him back at camps. They didn't, they were like, okay, that's where it maybe had a pee. I don't know. And when they arrived, he hadn't got there. So they were like, that's weird because he was ahead of us. So what the fuck? And there was no sign of him on the trail leading to this place. They would have had to have walked by him. They would have had to walk by him. Now, they searched and over the next couple of days, a huge search party of over 300 locals and army soldiers from Fort
Starting point is 00:38:06 Devons and Massachusetts looked for him for eight more days didn't find a tracemum. What? Not at not anything. Do you think Bigfoot ate him? Then, they finally found one single shell from his hunting rifle next to a small stream. That was it. Oh, I don't like that. No sign of him. No. Isn't that fucked? Yes.
Starting point is 00:38:27 So that was 1945 1946 another one. December 1st. This one's the most well-known, I think. Pology in Weldon. She was an 18-year-old student. It's definitely the most infamous of the cluster of these people That's for sure. She was a sophomore at Bennington College, and she was an experienced hiker, loved to the outdoors. She also loved to paint. She was an art major.
Starting point is 00:38:52 She did, she was thinking of changing her major more to like music and stuff, I guess, at this time. She sounds really cool. She does. She seems really rad. And on this day, around 4 p.m., she was wearing a red parka, and she decided to go for a walk on the trails at the Glastonbury Mountains. And she had just worked at the school's dining hall.
Starting point is 00:39:11 She was staying at school during the holiday break. She was trying to make a little extra money. She did live in Stanford, Connecticut, but she decided not to go home for the break. I think she had told friends she was not getting along with certain people and was feeling a little bit depressed and like uneasy about school But she wasn't people were like she wasn't in a state that I'd be like We started walking into the mountains and ever coming back. Okay So she was home, but she was like I'm just gonna go for a walk after the after my shift
Starting point is 00:39:38 So she was heading down the long trail the long trail is where a lot of these things seem to be happening or around the long trail. We'll find out something interesting about it later. Oh, shit. Witnesses who were on the trail at the time said they saw her or passed by her at some time or another. There was like an elderly couple that was behind her for a short period of time. And they said she went around to bend up ahead
Starting point is 00:40:00 and then they just never saw her again. All right, which is very strange. They were all able to remember her because she was wearing that red coach. Right, the minute you said that, I was like, okay. Yeah, and she just vanished after entering the trail. And she never showed up for her Monday classes. And so people were like, holy shit, we got to search.
Starting point is 00:40:18 So the search begins. And it was a huge search party of over 1,000 people, police from Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New York came in to help as well. Because at this point, there was no Vermont state police. In fact, this whole situation was how the Vermont state police was founded. Like we can actually, this is, we can give Paula and Paula's father's severe anger at this whole thing and how it was handled, the credit for the Vermont State Police
Starting point is 00:40:47 really coming into fruition. That's pretty cool. There was a $5,000 reward for this information, for any information about her, and that's like a lot now. Like several thousands now is what that would be. Her father also, he hired psychics to try to find her. I mean, like, he went ham. I love a good site.
Starting point is 00:41:07 He was devastated. They dug up a gravel pit nearby. They flew helicopters around to look for it. It was huge. Oh. So they did end up speaking to a couple that was near the trail that day. Viola Maxwell and Frank Cadet, who had seen her on the trail.
Starting point is 00:41:24 They were actually in the midst of a heated argument. Oh, shit. And he had stormed out of his home, which was on the like, on the side of like a route that's near that trail. He had stormed out of the home in anger and he was gone all night and didn't have an explanation around by. That is murder. So people speculated that he could have That is murder. So people speculated that he could have taken Paula because he was in such a rage. But obviously none of that was proven. And so did he have like any prior judge? It's very alleged.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Not a lot is known about this whole thing. So it's one of those things that there's a lot of rumors that surround these things. Of course. Like at that point, the newspapers were posting everything. Like somebody could be like, they were posting. They were posting a dance to grow. newspapers were posting everything. Somebody could be like, they were posting it. They were posting it to Instagram. They were printing everything.
Starting point is 00:42:07 So they were like, somebody would be like, well, I saw a monster come down from the woods and take her and they would print that. Like they would be like, like, like, Star came into town. Monster comes down the hill and a ducks young girl. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. Extra extra read all about it. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do That's what I fucking picture, okay? Oh, so this one's a weird one, this next one? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:45 This is another one. I was like, they're all pretty weird, bro. Yeah, that was 1946. Let's move on to 1949. Let's. This is 68-year-old James Tedford. This one is so strange. I love every single one.
Starting point is 00:42:59 You're like, this one is insane. No, this one is wild. This one is brutal. This one is wild. We're like, whoa, but this one's like, what? That's the difference with this one. The other one's a little bit like, and this one's like, huh?
Starting point is 00:43:14 Yeah, this one's a question mark. So he was 68 years old. He was a veteran. He had visited some relatives in St. Albans Vermont for the day. He boarded a bus to Bennington's soldiers home after this. He was on his way home. He saw him on the bus, the driver saw him, people spoke with him.
Starting point is 00:43:34 He wasn't just like this figure that way. It was like, I guess I saw him. No, they saw him. So the driver confirmed that James was in his seat the entire time. He was there all the way until the last stop right before Bennington stopped. Then when the Bennington stop came, he was just gone. He didn't get off the bus. It's like Charlie. And it's like nobody exited that he's riding the T forever. Yes. Charlie is riding the T forever. Well, James is riding the bus forever, apparently. What? He's gone. He's just gone. No one saw him get off. He did not get off his
Starting point is 00:44:09 luggage and his ticket were still sitting in his seat when they pulled into Bennington. Passengers said he literally vanished while inside the bus. How? And they have no idea how. No timing of one thing. He would have suddenly vanished. Would have been while they were going right through the Bennington triangle. Yes. He was just gone. No, the world is far too mysterious for my liking. Because I guess like he was between stops that he vanished. Like when he looked back the driver at the last stop, he was there. He shut the doors. He looked back one more time. He was still there. He gets going at that by the next stop. He's gone. No. How did it happen? He's in the luggage container. Now this one is just like, oh, oh, yeah. So this one's a 1950. I love the way you're setting this up.
Starting point is 00:44:58 This one's Paul Jeffson. He was eight years old. No, that's why it's. That's why it's, ooh, ooh. Yeah. So he vanished in October without a trace. Yeah. Now, he was in the back of the family pickup truck where his mother had left him, because she had brought him in the pickup truck. It was like a normal thing that they would do. They were going to tend the hogs on this farm that his family worked at.
Starting point is 00:45:21 So he was going to stay in the back of the pickup truck and just like play or like hang out. Well, they're like on their family farm. Exactly. And while she walked to feed the hogs and like do whatever with hogs and she came back and he was gone. No. So she's looking around everywhere for him. He was wearing a red coat. Yeah, like so red is a thing. He was wearing a red coat. She couldn't see the red coat anywhere. You'd think she'd be able to spot him. Couldn't find any trace of him. What? Huge search happens. They turn up nothing. The coast guard brought in planes to find him. There was even rumors that he had like room that he had roamed over to the hogs. And as a hogs had eaten him. Yeah, but that doesn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:46:05 Because hogs will eat, like, but I guess there was more than one like, you know, like, they were overtending to some hogs and like doing other things. Oh, no. So they were think worrying about that. And then of course, and there's no basis for this, but there was a huge rumor that was printed in the newspaper
Starting point is 00:46:21 that his parents had like killed him and fed him to hogs. Oh my God. Those poor parents. Wild newspaper chill. So bloodhounds were brought in and they traced his scent to a nearby crossroads. So they were thinking that maybe he was abducted by a passing car.
Starting point is 00:46:37 That maybe he had somebody either come and taken him out of that truck or he had wandered towards there and then a motorist abducted him. Oh, I don't like that. There was a pair of man's gloves found on a rock where the scent ended. Yeah, that one was like, it is. See, I'm right. So the place, and also the place his scent was traced to,
Starting point is 00:46:57 is also possibly where Paula Weldon was last seen. In her red jacket. In her red jacket. In her red jacket. In fact, the next thing I've written was both were wearing red coats. In horror movies, red is always, in movies in general, I feel like red is always like, it means something's like-
Starting point is 00:47:15 It's always ominous and evil and intense and like in the sixth sense. Like that's a very prominent color. And then in black bear, which you need to watch. Yeah. The good, overshared. No, I you need to watch. Yeah. The good one. Oh, for sure. No, I do need to watch that with Aubrey Pawsler.
Starting point is 00:47:28 Yeah. I love her. Now, the creepiest part of this is that, and this is, this will chill your bones. No. So just get ready. Stop it. Warm up your bones so they can get chilled.
Starting point is 00:47:37 The creepiest part is that apparently the boy had been obsessively speaking about the mountains and the day leading up to the days leading up to this. He was speaking, like his parents said, he would not stop being like, I just need to go into the mountains. Oh, like talking about the lore of the mountains. Oh, the father told the Albany Times Union that Paul had talked of, quote, nothing else in the days leading up to this and that it was strange and sudden and that he said, quote, perhaps the lore of the mountains is the thing responsible for his disappearance.
Starting point is 00:48:12 I don't know. So he just got, like, sucked into the mountains. I don't like that. Doesn't that, my bones are done. Because kids are so fucking creepy. Yeah. And when they start to talk about shit that you didn't teach them, you have to get rid of them. I will not be pleased if my kids
Starting point is 00:48:31 start talking about the lore of the mountains. No, I'm not going to be pleased. Step one, there's only one step in this whole entire thing and it's get rid of them. Lock them in a room. They start talking about the lore of the mountains, take him as far away from the mountains as you can, because that's no good. Yeah. I didn't like that. I don't like that.
Starting point is 00:48:51 I'll never like that. Part of that story. Step one and don't like it. Get rid of the one. So that's real creepy. Well, 16 days later, there was another disappearance. What? Frieda Langer.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Frieda. This one's fucked. This one's fucked. This one's, ugh. Oh, okay. Now, she was an experienced survivalist and hiker. Okay. She was in her 50s. She just went missing.
Starting point is 00:49:16 So she was camping near Somerset reservoir where their husband and her cousin. Oh, cute. Again, they did this all the time. This wasn't weird. Survivalist. So one day, she goes hiking with her cousin Herbert. Oh, yes. Again, they did this all the time. This wasn't weird. Survival-ish. So one day, she goes hiking with her cousin, Herbert. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:49:28 Herbert Eisner. Cutie. And the husband stayed behind because he had tweaked his knee earlier in the day and he was like, fuck that. I'm not hiking, so have fun, guys. So they're hiking. And a half mile into the hike, she slipped and fell into a tiny stream.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Oh, shit. She was totally fine, but she was soaked in completely muddy. See, this is why. Why are totally fine, but she was soaked and like completely muddy. See, this is why. Why are you outside? Yeah, it sounds awful. Get inside. It's all so awful.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Now again, they're only a half a mile away from camp. So she was like, you know what, Herbert, stay here. I'm gonna run back to camp and change, and then I'll come back and we'll start a hike again. Okay. So he's like, cool. She never made it back to camp. Right, half a mile. She didn't make it back to camp. Even I know what it's like. I he's like, cool. She never made it back to camp. Right, half a mile.
Starting point is 00:50:06 She didn't make it back to camp. Even I know that's so far. I also am like, Herbie, you should just walk back with her. Like I would just walk back with her. I would get, I would wait in the wilderness alone. I'd be like, no, I'm walking back with you. Yeah, that's, that doesn't mean that's a lot of styles.
Starting point is 00:50:17 It's only a half a mile. We gotta go anyways. Yeah. I'm not blaming Herbie, and it wasn't his fault, but I'm just like, I feel like you could almost like see half a mile away. Yeah, right?
Starting point is 00:50:26 Now, a massive search started because again, where the fuck did she go in half a mile? Yeah, like that doesn't make any sense. Which is, that seems to be like all of the afternoon. And that seems to be a common thing. Like, these people are like really close to other people. Exactly. And then it's like this weird little span of distance
Starting point is 00:50:42 that they just, maybe there's some kind of like time more. that they just are kind of like a vortex or some kind of like portal or something. I was just gonna say a portal. A wormhole that just opens up. Now the Connecticut Coast Guard, the Massachusetts National Guard, they all sent helicopters. They sent helicopters from Salem, Massachusetts.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Yes. Soldiers from the Army Station and Springfield, Massachusetts came to help. I just wanna point out that Massachusetts it's always fucking helping in these situations. How about what? Massachusetts does the damn thing. I just want to point that out.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Locals came in droves and used their personal planes to search, which is very bougie and awesome. Oh, I'm so nervous. The Vermont Aeronautics Commission sent their plane to help. I'm boreding my PJ to look at this missing girl. Like super appreciated. If you have a PJ, definitely always try to help in these situations. I had to point that out.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Just period. If you have a PJ, just always try to help me. And every choice. Just try to help me. every just was trying to help me. Confrash at all times. Now, then again, like I said, the Vermont Aeronautics Commission sent their plan to help. This was a huge, huge search.
Starting point is 00:51:55 Huge. Huge. They found nothing. Nothing for days and days and days they searched. They found nothing. Six months later, shit, her body was found in the wide open next to the reservoir where they had searched multiple times.
Starting point is 00:52:15 No. She was in advanced state of decomposition. And like I said, this was an area she they had gone over and over this area and she was not hidden. She was in the wide fucking open. Oh, no, no, no. So she was very clearly moved to this area. She was placed to this area, which who knows
Starting point is 00:52:31 where the fuck she was before this? I don't want to know. Because unfortunately the decomp was so advanced that no cause of death could be determined. You. But a doctor on scene was like, oh yeah, she drowned. And everybody was like, oh, okay, cool. Yeah, that sounds very fifties. But no autopsy was ever performed, and there was no basis to determine this at all.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Like they didn't look at anything to say she drowned. They were like, oh, there's water over there, and she's dead. Also, I think that's what that was. How did she get out? Exactly, what the fuck? So a lot of people think, because then in October of 1981, three hunters in the woods disappeared and were not found.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Just a three of them at the same time. And now people will go in the woods now. While a merge and saying that they were very overwhelmingly dizzy and confused or be alert to the mountains on me. Yes. And people will say they have these weird points of time where they can't remember what was happening in there. Like and then so a lot of people think that there might have been a killer on the loose. For some of these people like that last one like Frida, somebody killed
Starting point is 00:53:35 her. And placed her there or something. And it's like is this some like weird wild dude living in the woods that was just like picking people off for a while and the other people are like buried somewhere I don't know. Where the fuck are they ash? Oh? That's I'm in Dorsey. I have no fucking idea. People still will not wear red when going in this area I think that's so spooky. Yeah, it's a thing like do not wear red. What the fuck? Isn't that so spooky? That's like some Hansel and Grudel type shit. I know it freaks me out. I don't like it What what else is there more? So there's a couple more things.
Starting point is 00:54:08 There's a possible UFO and UFO. They possibly, like people see lights in the sky, a lot. Okay, so already you've got a theory. If you're seeing an UFO, red is very a visible color. It is, that's true. So there's me, there you go. And if you're seeing a new photo,
Starting point is 00:54:27 I mean, Vermont itself, like as a whole, they get a lot of reports of strange lights in the sky. One of the first UFO sightings, I think, was in Vermont. I think you're right. Yeah, it's like it's a hub. It's at least the first episode of the second season of fucking The Unseen Mysteries. There you go.
Starting point is 00:54:43 Or might maybe the first season. Well, either way, especially in the area of the Ben On some mysteries. There you go. Or might maybe the first season. Well, either way. Especially in the area of the Bennington Triangle. Yes. Now, reports go back to the 1800s. But in 1984, a shit ton of people
Starting point is 00:54:56 all said they saw what was described as silo-like lights that were coming down from the sky all the way up Glastonbury Mountain. What? And like, Silo, like a Silo, you know, on a farm or something, it's like a spherical structure. Okay. So they sell like spherical-looking lights.
Starting point is 00:55:13 Okay. Which is very selfish. And again, there's reports, I'm like, we get reports. I get them very close. I get calls. They call me and they're like, Elaine, I saw another one and I'm like, thank you. Tell us.
Starting point is 00:55:23 No, the people that take these reports in Vermont get a lot of reports of lights up that mountain. Where the fuck do you call if you see a UFF? I don't know. I was just thinking that I was like, who would you call? I just call you. I call the police and be like, help. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Thanks for informing me, jerk. I was gonna. But then I'm like, why? Why would I call the police? What the fuck are the police? That's why I'm I'm just gonna call you. But I think that would just be like, I don't know. why? Why would I call the police? What the fuck are the police? That's why I'm just gonna call you. But it's gonna just be like, I don't know. Like, what do I call you?
Starting point is 00:55:49 Maybe I just call you. You know what? I'm actually just not gonna get involved. So, you know where we're gonna end off here? The Mannington Rucks. We're gonna end off, no. Mannington Rucks. So, the Vermont Monster Guide was written by Joseph Citroe.
Starting point is 00:56:03 He also coined the name the Bennington Triangle. Oh, shout out. He wrote in the Vermont Monster Guide was written by Joseph Citroe. He also coined the name the Bennington Triangle. Oh, shout out. He wrote in the Vermont Monster Guide, a little footnote, quote, and warned people away. We can only imagine it as a sizeable rock large enough to stand on, but when someone stands upon it, the rock becomes less solid, and like a living thing, swallows the unfortunate trespasser. A number of disappearances have been reported
Starting point is 00:56:35 on Glaston Mary Mountain. Could all these vanished folks have stepped in and vertically on this hungry stone? Maybe it sounds like, well no, okay, it's healthy. But awesome insanity. Hubba, hubba, hubba, hubba, maybe, maybe that's the portal.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Now I'm saying it. The rock isn't eating the people, the rock is simply a doorway to who knows where. That, I'm not even kidding, like I'm Jed As. Me? I'm hoping it's a rock that's just like, no. No.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Wait, ready? Well, we're, no. And that's the voice. I would love that. That's very like, ball-to-be-turnal-stun. That's exactly what I thought of. I know. That's so what I thought of.
Starting point is 00:57:22 I know you. I hope that's what it is. If I were a man eating rock, I would just be like, oh. That's the noise I would make. Write it in. Tell us what noise you would make if you were a man eating rock. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:34 Write your noise in. Well, that's the man eating rock. But there's also a couple of other strange rocks up there. Okay. I'm just putting it out there. That there's things called tarrants. And I know know it sounds like Karen's because I just asked you that. It's not a bunch of Karen's up there They don't have those up there. Not that I know of those have not been reported Uh, but there are Cairns which Cairns are you know
Starting point is 00:58:00 They're usually a mound of stones or stacks like they're all stacked on top of each other in some way, to represent either a memorial or like a trail marker. Right, right. New England is full of them, or trails. But what's weird about this is that these canes are huge and would have had, they are not like native rocks to the area, they're like stonehenge trees. They had to be brought up there.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Stonehenge. Yeah, it's something like that. So this guy named David Lacey, who's an archaeologist with the Green Mountain National Forest in Vermont, he was, he was like on his job like checking a fire tower. They have like a like a known fire tower. This like a photo of it. It's like this really spooky photo. Cool. And it's located at the summit of Glastonbury Mountain. And while he's there, he found just like a ton of carons that he was like, I didn't see them before. And it was weird because it was off the long trail. Oh shit. And again, we're most of the disappearances
Starting point is 00:58:58 happening in weird shit. And he said he saw these and they were covered in moss. They were stacked to their huge. Some of them were over 200 pounds. And he was like, what the fuck? So they talked to a bunch of like researchers looked at this, they talked to like archaeologists and geologists and like all kinds of people who know about this shit. And they said that based on the moss and the like all the other things that they look at for this, they are old as fuck. They said some of these predate the 1800, 1700s.
Starting point is 00:59:29 They were like, these are for sure Native American placed. And they were like, but why? Like we wanna know why. And they said they definitely predate European settlement here. Like these were not placed here by, you know, just like Thomas Jefferson types who are coming in and saying like, we're going just like Thomas Jefferson types who are coming in and saying like, we're going to say Thomas and Jefferson.
Starting point is 00:59:47 They're not, Thomas and Jefferson had nothing to do with this. But they said the moss makes them, like some of them they said are like prehistoric possibly. Like insane. Yes. That's sick. It's insane. I don't like it and I love it. And what does it mean?
Starting point is 01:00:02 Because it's not a trail marker. Like that is not a trail marker. Maybe it's a warning. But they were like, they think it might be like a warning or like a place of like worship, a place of sacrifice, a place of memorial, a place of like solemn, you know, reflection. This was a place where they placed their dead,
Starting point is 01:00:19 so maybe it's a memorial. Exactly. That's what I was thinking, which is like holy shit. Yeah. And then it's like, were these people that's what I was thinking, which is like holy shit. Yeah. And then it's like, were these people settling on this like Native American burial place? All I know is this is exactly why I don't go outside often.
Starting point is 01:00:34 That all I know is that the Bennington Triangle was so fun to research. Yeah, I wanna go and look at all this shit. Oh, see, no, I retract my statement. But I'm not gonna climb up a mountain, so I'm not gonna do it no, I retract my statement. But I'm not going to climb up a mountain, so I'm not going to do it. But the thought is there. Not only am I not going to climb up a mountain,
Starting point is 01:00:49 I'm not going to climb up a mountain with you, because you have red hair, so get the fuck out of here. Oh, yeah, I can't go in there. And I'm just not going anywhere near there. Yeah, I can't go in there. Like, I feel like I'm public enemy number one in places like that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:02 Except I would be in this case. Well, then I'm definitely not bringing you. Nobody wants to come with me. How am I supposed to do my job without you? So that's the Bennington Triangle. We got UFOs, we got Big Feet, we got possible serial killers, we have disappearances, we have murders. Yeah, big rocks.
Starting point is 01:01:17 We have man-eating rocks, we have canes that we don't know where they came from. Yeah, you just, that's just scratch in the surface. You freaked me out. It's a lot. Yes. So I hope you enjoyed this whimsical romp. I did.
Starting point is 01:01:33 I did. And two for Mont. And thank you for Mont. I gotta tell my sister, you guys rule. You guys rule with her dumbass. You know, I'm totally kidding. I gotta love you, Lauren.
Starting point is 01:01:43 With her dumbass, she won't be going there. She likes to do outdoorsy things. I don't know where she came from. Yeah, don't go in there. But yeah, so that was the beddington triangle. I hope it was, you know, there was some gnarly stuff in there. Yeah. Definitely, it stays weird here.
Starting point is 01:02:02 We're not taking it into like a whimsical place. Well, I thought this one would be a little less like soul crushing. So you could have like a moment to breathe and then I'm gonna like really drag you down to hell next week, so. Oh, so stay tuned. I don't know what I'm doing yet, but okay. Love you so much.
Starting point is 01:02:20 You guys are the best. You're the titties. And if you wanna see some pictures of Glastonberry and all of its glory, are we switching it up? You can follow us on Instagram at morbidpodcast. Oh no, at Twitter. Oh, this is weird.
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Starting point is 01:02:49 and she gets all fucked up. I think. That was my laugh. I would love you. She's now. I'd love you. That's not true. Bye.
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