Morbid - Episode 214: The Tragic Case of Molly Bish

Episode Date: March 7, 2021

Molly Bish was 16 years old and working as a lifeguard at Comins Pond in Warren. She’d only been working there about a week on June 27th, 2000 when her mother dropped her off for her 10:00 shift. Swimmers would be arriving any minute, but just minutes later when they started piling in for swim lessons, there was no lifeguard on duty. In a matter of minutes Molly vanished, but it would be three years before her partial remains would be discovered, and over twenty with no answers. This case remains unsolved to this day, although the investigation is very much active. **Anyone With information about the Molly Bish case should call the State Police tip line at 508-453-7575 Sources: https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-2003-06-22-0306220015-story.html https://www.telegram.com/article/20090128/NEWS/901280281 https://www.boston25news.com/news/molly-bish-rodney-stanger-may-have-crossed-paths-1/141310989/  https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/blog/mass_roundup/2013/09/molly-bish-remains-palmer-racetrack.html https://storiesoftheunsolved.com/2019/04/10/the-murder-of-molly-bish/:  https://www.masslive.com/news/2013/09/family_of_murdered_teenager_mo.html   As always thank you to our sponsors: CBS’s For Heaven’s sake  ThredUp: Get an extra 30% off your first order at thredUP.com/MORBID Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code morbid to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Squarespace: Head to Squarespace.com/MORBID for a free trial and when you’re ready to launch, use the offer code MORBID to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And you know what? Speaking of nostalgia, I just had to say, in case I just wanted to let everybody know that there was like a, there's a few episodes in our back catalog that I'm like, you know, we always talk about how we were like underwater. Our sound quality was terrible. You all know, you all loved it.

I'm not gonna don't worry because people, I remember I mentioned it once and people were like, don't take out any of the old episodes or redo them because they show your growth. Yeah. Which is awesome. I love that. I love that people said that.

That's really cool. And I'm not. I'm not gonna remove all these episodes or anything, but we are gonna be trying to remaster a few of them and make them sound a little better. Just so new people who come to the podcast aren't hearing that as their first gig. Just so new people. Cause not to stay. Yeah, not everybody is as forgiving. You know, like so we just want to like try to make it better. And there's a couple that like

I was listening to them and not only is the sound quality bad, but like I was like, you know, I feel like I've read more about that case now, and like I didn't include these details that I wish I did. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it's just like, I just want to do it better. So if you see things getting moved around in our back catalog, or like, you know, updated at all, don't be like, oh my god, where did that episode go? It's coming back.

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It's just, I don't, we really don't want to like encourage people together too soon. No, it seems a little hypocritical. We're getting to a place of like, almost there. Like we're getting to a place of vaccine and a place of herd immunity. Yeah. And we want to just let that ride out for a little while so that everybody can feel safe. Yes. Everybody can feel comfortable. So that I don't have to hear a single one of you sneeze during my fucking set. That's it. That's all it is. Is that Ash doesn't want to hear a sneeze or cough during it? No, no. Totally kidding. Because we care about you and you know, we don't want to get you sick. We don't care about your babies. We don't want anybody getting sick. So and we don't want to encourage it before it's okay. So we can't wait.

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They're shitting out of me. It's a ladybug. So it's on, like, we have these little, like, sound things so that we don't, we're not echoey. And it's in front of me. And all of a sudden, I just see this creepy crawly going up the side and I'm like, what the fuck is that?

And it's a ladybug. That was just a ladybug. Yeah, it's just a lovely little ladybug. Hi, girl. Hi, girl. So I think that was all the business, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah.

And even if there's more, like, too much time, bye. Yeah. So let's get into it. I had mentioned last week that, you know, we were going to do Venus X-Travaganza right quite now because not the right time. And then so what I did was I went back on the Patreon because the Venus Xtraveganza was a Patreon pick and I still wanted the Patreon to feel like they got their full

votes picks. For sure. So I went on the original post where everybody was picking their things and I was like, what cases were super, super requested. And the two that were the most requested were the Molly Bish story and Dominique done so what I'm gonna do is the popular vote I hate to even say that was Molly Bish and so I'm gonna do that today and then next week I'm gonna do the Dominique done story. Woo! So, without further ado, Molly Ann Bish was born

on August 2nd, 1983. Her parents are John Senior and Maggie Bish. Adorable names. And Maggie is Maggie with an eye. Oh, her full name is Magdalene, I believe. Oh, I love that. Or Magdalena. Either Maggie for most of this.

So yeah, she had two older siblings, Heather and John Junior. And the family was originally from Detroit, but Maggie and John decided that it just wasn't the best place for them to raise their young kids. And actually something that made a huge impact on their decision to move was the abduction of a young girl who lived close by.

Wow. Yeah. Wow. So they moved to a quiet Massachusetts town called Warren. Have you ever been there? Have you ever heard of it? Yeah, I have been to Warren.

It is literally like, it's like a different world. It's like Oklahoma. I feel it. Yeah, it's so quaint. That's very quaint. It's like beautiful. Yeah. So John Sr. actually worked as a police officer.

And Maggie was able to stay at home with the kids until her youngest Molly started kindergarten. And Maggie said that there were two sides to Molly. She could be like really shy or she could be super funny. And she compared her humor to like Lucy from I Love Lucy. Oh, I love that. She was like, that was Molly's kind of funny.

She's Lucy a ball. That's a great icon to be compared to. Humor was. Huge compliment. So good for her. She sounded like she must have been hilarious. Yeah, hot shit. Now Molly was the kind of girl too, include everybody.

Her mom said that she never wanted anyone left out and that people were just naturally drawn to Molly. She had one of those like faces, personalities, energies that people wanted to be around her. She did have one of those faces. Because every time you see a picture of her, you're like, oh, she's like drop dead. Like she was beautiful.

And you just want to know where. Yeah, she just see, like, you know how like, you can tell somebody's a nice person. Yeah, like, there's no way you're mean. It's just, yeah, just radiates. Yeah, I don't have that face. So Molly was not only a kind, funny kid. She was also a talented athlete.

She played softball, soccer, basketball. Damn. And on top of all of that, she was also an honor student. Wow. And she was an honor student that hoped to someday work with children. That was like what she wanted to do. Stop. So she was outgoing. She was popular among her friends in high school.

She had a boyfriend that she had recently gone to prom with. And this was summer now. And everybody was going to be heading into their senior year that fall. So in the meantime, that summer Molly wanted to work as a lifeguard at a nearby pond. And her brother John had actually worked as a lifeguard at Cummins. And her brother, John, had actually worked as a lifeguard at Comments pond too, and he was the one who got her set up for working. Yeah. I think he had worked there for like the three years before she started working there.

Oh wow. So it was almost like not like a family gig, but like her brother, like passed down his job. Yeah. So he showed her how to set up for the day. He laughed remembering like teaching her how to look for snakes, which I thought was adorable. And he showed her, I know, hate snakes.

He showed her just like the ins and outs of the job. So Molly had been working for a week and she was enjoying it. And then on the morning of June 27th, 2000, she got bad news. Her mother, she was like getting ready for work and her mother had to tell her that one of her friends that she played soccer with was actually

in the hospital in critical condition. And she had been hit by a car while she was riding her bike. Oh, yeah, it was like very serious. So Molly was obviously super upset, but it was too late to call into work. And there were gonna be swim lessons that day. And she didn't wanna miss them. She was like excited about them.

So she made like a super responsible decision to go in for her shift. Wow. Which at 16 years old, I feel like that was the really mature decision. It really was. I think that says a lot about her. Yeah, it would have been much easier to make the other decision. For sure. Hey there, fellow podcast listener.

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You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Darn, un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un that the life cards would use. They would like use it to contact the police if there was an emergency. And they also stopped to grab a couple of water bottles. When they got to the pond, Molly told her mom she loved her and ran up to her post just to sit up for the day. So by 10 a.m., the swimmers who Molly was like looking forward to helping and looking after,

they arrived at the pond. But there was no life guard on duty. Yeah. So the parents of the swimmers were like, that's weird. And one of the moms took the post herself for the time being because somebody had to do it. And she saw that there were flip flops in the sand by the post

and that the two-way radio was there. A first aid kit was there. And there was a backpack. And actually the first aid kit was open. So it's very clear that there was a lifeguard there at one point. Yeah, it's very clear that Molly was a lifeguard there at one point. Yeah, it's very clear that Molly was there and had set up for the day. Like I said, it seemed like somebody had been there

to set up and then just banished. I hate this case. This case. I'm already just like, I know I'm literally wrapped in a blanket right now that I have chills. So Molly's boss was informed that she was nowhere to be found. So he contacted the police when she didn't show up.

It's just like, okay, I'm like, why don't you also call her parents, but. Well, yeah, I didn't even think about. Yeah. So the police immediately assumed that Molly had ran off with friends, even though there was nothing about her character that could have aided in that abrupt decision.

But she was suddenly just abandoned her job and run out with friends. She'd been working for a week. She'd never done that before. Yeah. She just, it didn't come off. Like, she was the, I mean, she's 16, I guess. I don't know if that's just like, that's literally in my nose.

Of course, she's very responsible and she seems like a more responsible 16 year old, but they don't know her. She's still a 16 year old, so they're probably just like, and that's how they looked at that. And literally I wrote like the stereotype of 16 year old girls. They were like, she ran off. They knew, I think they knew that her friend had been in the hospital. They're like, maybe that's how they looked at it. Literally, I wrote like the stereotype of 16 year old girls. They were like, she ran off. They knew, I think they knew that her friend had been

in the hospital. They're like, maybe that's what happened. Yeah. I don't know. But that wasn't Molly. She wouldn't do that. No. So when Molly still hadn't turned up by one o'clock, one o'clock

PM at this point, the police contacted her parents to let them know what was going on. So it's been three hours since Maggie's dropped her daughter off. And she has no idea that like they can't find her. Two minutes after she left something like something happened. And it happened so quick. Yeah. Because the first swimmers arrived like a little bit after 10. Like a few minutes after 10. Yeah. That's the part that really gets me about this. Somebody how quickly this happened. Somebody in my opinion somebody had been watching her for a little while

New the routine knew the routine knew what time she got there and we'll see later on that there's like a point where like They could have been hiding and like the Maggie wouldn't have seen them and either Holly absolutely, so we'll get into it. Yeah, so they contact her parents to let them know what's going on But they still believe that she would turn up and had just gone off with her friends and Maggie and all of her family are like, no. So Maggie called Molly's older sister Heather. Now Maggie's the mom.

I think that I'm get a little confusing. Yeah. Maggie calls Molly's older sister Heather to let her know what's going on. And Heather promptly heads over to help her mom search for Molly. They knew something wasn't right about this entire situation, and they were like, if nobody else is gonna investigate, then like fuck it, we will. Yeah, of course. So they started contacting Molly's friends, they went to her boyfriend's house, they checked to see if she had visited that friend in the hospital.

No, no, no, she wasn't anywhere that they looked. Nobody had heard from her, nobody said like they heard that she was gonna go here or there or anywhere. Yeah. Like this wasn't a case of, she just checked out. Now the police proposed that maybe she had drowned, which they were like, her family was like, I know. Like, first of all, it's a pond.

So like, yeah. And she's a lifeguard. She's a lifeguard and they were like, not that lifeguards can't drown, but it's like. Of course they can, but they were like, no, she's a lifeguard. She's a lifeguard. And they were like, Not that lifeguards can't drown, but it's like, Of course they can, but they were like, no, she's a very strong swimmer. And it's not like there was weather that day or anything where the water, like the pond water

would have gotten rough. When would she have drowned? Well, that's the problem. She just arrived at her post. Yeah, it didn't really make any sense. I think that they just, You got to think of anything at this point. Right, you want an answer.

You're not going to immediately be like, she was abducted, which you're going to hope that's maybe you should. You should. Yeah. I'm not a police officer. I feel like you should just overreact. Yeah. Always overreact.

Yeah. But so her brother, John, even got in the water to search for his sister himself. He was diving all around trying to find any sign of Molly. The investigators actually made him come out so that they could bring in their boats and divers. They looked and looked and looked. Molly had not drowned. She was not anywhere in that water.

And then Maggie remembered something that would haunt this case for the next 20 years to come. A white car had been parked in the lot that in the lot the day earlier, so the previous day. Okay. And the man sitting inside a really freaked maggy out. So much so that she actually didn't leave Molly alone until the car left. Huh.

Yeah. She said that she saw a man sitting in a white parked car smoking a cigarette and she saw him staring and actually most of the articles that I read said glaring at Molly. What the fuck? Yeah, and she said there was immediately this horrible feeling in her gut while she stared back at the man, like a self-proclaimed mama bear,

like like trying this with my daughter. Like, so he stared right back at her and then finally drove away. Oh, that would, I'd be way too horrified at by that. But I think she was like, well, John worked here for like three years and like, you're not going to think this person is like, no, going to come back. Of course, not your immediate, like hindsight right now. I'm like, but it's like in the moment, you're going to be like, he's gone. Right, he's gone. That was weird.

That was weird. Yeah. And actually, the morning that Molly went missing, Maggie was relieved because when they got there, there was a sand delivery truck. So she was like, okay, Molly, she was like, I wasn't going to leave her alone after that. That happened that day. But now I see that there's workers here, there's other people. And she actually Molly had arrived a little bit late that day. Like, I think she was supposed to be there before 10. So she was like, the swimmers are going to be here any minute. Yeah. She's not alone. Yeah. And so the day before she had actually walked Molly to her post and hung out for a while until she was sure that the creepy

man had driven off. And she was able to give all the details of the man's features to a sketch artist and a composite sketch was made showing an older man with a large mustache, dark eyes, and salt and pepper hair holding a cigarette. Ew. Yeah. I'm just picturing it.

Yeah. So the first one was down and she was like cool, but they actually had a second sketch artist come in named, I believe it's Gene Boylan. And we'll post that one because that is like the most well known in the case. Like if you're googling it right now, I'm just gonna say I know this one.

Yeah, that's the one. I believe it's Gene. It might be so horrifying. He's terrifying. Iling it right now. I was gonna say I know this one. Yeah, that's the one. I believe it's a gene. It's so horrifying. He's terrifying. I hate it. Yeah. So by this point, the police, the Warren police are realizing

that they have a missing person's case on their hands and they decide to bring in the state police because Warren didn't, Warren's like, we said in the beginning, a quaint little quiet town, like nothing like this happens here. Exactly, and that's the other reason why I'm sure it wasn't the first thing that popped in her head that this guy is going to like come back and do something. It's like this, this is a quiet time.

It's a quiet time. It doesn't happen a lot here. That is a thing. Right. But I mean, I was like really happy to see that the Warren police were like, you know what, we don't have expertise in this area. Let's bring in the state police. Because I feel like we have talked about so many cases where they're like, nope, we can handle it. When the egos get into the way, it's so nice when,

because we've had a few that have done this, which it's like, thank goodness. Yeah. Because it's like when they let the egos go and they're like, we need some help, we can't handle this. Right. Yes. Like not to say that there were mistakes made during the investigation.

For sure. Definitely were, but, you know, but at least they handed it, they, you know, gotta give credit to you. Yeah. But it's due exactly. So the first night came and went obviously without Molly's return. Molly's father, John Bish said, quote, it's hard for me to describe that sinking hollow feeling you have as divers are looking for your daughter.

As dogs are combing through the woods and police officers are searching and interviewing people. And I almost immediately began to think that something really horrible had happened. I never ever can put myself in that state of mind. No, I can't. And at any time I hear it, I'm like, I don't, I just want to like hug these people. I know. Well, this like makes me actually want to hug you and we're not even huggers because

I like almost started crying when I read this. Molly sister Heather remembered how surreal that first night was and she said that she kept going outside just thinking maybe and hoping that her sister's kidnapper was just gonna drop her off. Cause you think when you've done something and you're crap, why did I do that? Can I rewind?

You know that feeling? Yes. But in this case, she's like, maybe this will happen. Maybe it'll just happen. Right. And in like this case, she's like, maybe this will happen. Like in a perfect world. Yeah, maybe it'll just happen. Right. And Heather and her sister had started to become like, because Heather was a little bit older. And so they were starting to get closer

because now Molly was getting older. And they were kind of Heather said, like, having establishing a more like adult sister relationship. Yeah. And it's always fun when that happens actually because that happened with like, you know, with us. Yeah. And then it also happened with me and my brother,

like eight years apart. And when we got to that point where you're suddenly at this good place, you get each other's humor now, and you're like cool, and you can hang out. Because the older person is like, oh, you're like a real person now. Oh, I can chill with you now.

It's I'm not just making fun of you all the time. Like I can actually hang out with you. I remember a little tag Yeah, like I remember that point with JP and I was like I know that is the best Yeah, I remember that point like even with my little sister. Yeah, yeah, it happens in every sibling relationship It does so the next day there was a massive search There were helicopters search dogs tons of people heading out Promptly at 6 a at 6am to find Molly.

Businesses printed out missing persons flyers, neighbors joined on the search, people tied yellow ribbons throughout the neighborhood. I remember that. And oh my god, this broke my heart. I saw an interview with Maggie, or it might have been a quote where she said, like the yellow ribbons floating throughout the air,

like later on they discover some remains. And she was like, it was almost like Molly's hair like flowing in the wind. Oh yeah. And she was like, it was like, she was there before we knew that she wasn't there. Oh, that just gave me like full chills. It gave me, I don't know why it reminded me

of the lovely bones, but it does. No, it does. Yeah. 100% it does. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're seeing like the family's grieving. Oh, yeah.

This case really is interesting. Because I're seeing like the family's grieving. Oh, yeah. This case really does mean. Because I remember when this was all going on, the family, you were just like your heart shattered for them. We're from Massachusetts. So there's that other like always, you're my like, you're my family almost. You're my Massachusetts family.

So it's like I feel like, I feel so empathetic. This family actually reminds me so much of our family, just like based on like things that I've seen. And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's just, oh. It's horrible. So yeah, but nothing turned up. So this, excuse me, the scene back at the beach was essentially demolished because number one, nobody thought

that it took too long to become a crime scene in the first place, because they were like, oh, she ran away. And even before anybody knew anything, there's already like swimmers that are coming for the day. And the day is beginning. The mom set up at the life guard post

because she didn't know what was going on. Of course not. So, you know, it was just demolished. So they tried to get what they could get, but the other thing is so compromised. It's a frickin' beach. There's sand everywhere. Like, what are you gonna get really?

Oh yeah, outdoor crime scenes, forget about it anyways, it's always harder, but then you add next to the water. With, you know, your next to the water, it's windier. Right, there's moisture around, like it's just taking it. It's a nightmare. But something that really bothered the investigators working of what they had of a scene was that the first aid kit was open, like I said.

Why was it open? Like it was just some some like a little detail that will become much better. Yeah, when you said it, it first sounds like that string. It's just a little weird. Yeah. Well, and what they wondered was maybe somebody approached Molly and gained her trust by like leading her to believe that they were injured in some way. Like Ted Bundy. Oh, you have a bandaid or do you have this and got got her to grab something, hop down from her post and help them and then they probably just scooped her up. That seems so likely. It absolutely does.

Because it's a Ted Bundy thing, they pray on somebody who will help them. And she's a lifeguard. And she's like, and she's like, that's my job. And she's a sweet girl. So, yeah, she's a kind person, of course, she's going to help. She has a first aid kit. Right. And it's a sweet girl. So yeah, she's a kind person, of course, she's going to help. She has a first aid kit. Right. And it's a perfect way because I always thought that too was like the lifeguard post.

You're like, oh, well, you're high in the air. That's like a good place to be, I guess, if you're being attacked because it's like they have to get you down, right. But to get her down, that's a perfect way to do it. Exactly. They knew it's much harder to get them down. Right. So that's they pray it even worse. They knew it's much harder to get them down. Right. So that's the way they don't even worse. They preyed on her kindness.

Yeah. Now, right off the bat, so they're thinking that's weird, but obviously they have to clear the people that they know exist. Of course. So her boss and her boyfriend were the first people looked into as like people of interest, but they both had either alibis or pass their polygraph test. So they were quickly like, no, it wasn't them. Now with the news of the lurking man in the car, there was a roadblock set up and a tip

line established. So people were obviously calling in to say all kinds of things. Obviously we have like the people that just want to call because they're born on the shoes day. And they're like, I saw Molly in like Wisconsin or I saw her here. Like they were just saying like all parts of the country. I hate that people do that. Acting like she was a runaway.

It's like, don't. Get a life. Just don't do it. Get a hobby. Seriously, a different hobby. Can you, for one second, understand that this girl has a family? Right.

You're destroying every time you do that. And here's the deal. She could have still been alive while you're calling in that tip that she's halfway across the country or something like that. And then they're looking into that and that's precious time wasted.

Exactly. Where they could have potentially rescued her. Exactly. You don't know what happened. That's the thing. It always derails the investigation because it sends it sometimes on a wild goose chase. Right.

And while they're looking into this, some shit is going down over here. Exactly. That's just so angry. I just don't understand what you gain from that. I don't get people's mentality that do that shit. No, it's like I'm really getting. That's some shady shit. And I just can't imagine sorting through the tips and being the one to determine what we're going to go after and what we're not. That's a really hard job. That's the thing, yeah. So yeah, some people are saying she's not

way across the country, but other people reported that they had seen that white car at the cemetery a few days prior with a man in it who looked similar to the sketch. And then some people say that he was near the pond just a couple minutes before Maggie and Molly arrived. Ooh. Yeah. And there was actually a trail on the beach leading to that cemetery.

I think it was like, one article I read said it was like a fork in the beach and like one side of it led to that cemetery. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed. What would you do? I'm Whit Missildine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life changing events, told by the people who lived them. From a young man that dunes his entire future with one choice, to a woman who survived a notorious serial killer. You'll hear their first

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He has a very, he honestly looks like Matilda's dad. He kind of does. Like a little bit. Like Danny DeVita. Like Danny DeVita, I love your word. He has a very distinct mustache. She has very distinct eyes. It's very distinct.

The eyes really are the thing that are like, even like the forehead wrinkles in the way his hair is parted. Like very specific no shape. Mm-hmm. I don't, if you saw him, you'd be like, yeah, that is him. Yeah, like I definitely saw that guy. It's not just a guy with a mustache. It's a very specific guy.

It is, and we'll post it. Yeah. And then that trail actually, police ended up investigating it, but they came up with nothing. Oh really? There's nothing there. Again, it's outside.

So it's so hard. Well, that's the thing. Exactly. It's so easy to lose evidence. I mean, the only thing that I guess that, like they could have gotten, was like tire tracks, but maybe they just weren't any. Yeah, exactly. And who's to say that he wasn't a cemetery?

That's again, just a tip. Sorry. So just by doing things, I was going to say I just slammed into my microphone. That's again, just a tip. So you're just, I was going to say, I just slammed into my microphone. I'm sorry. We two luck with the hands. I do. So yeah, things were being investigated.

Nothing's turning up. They are like sex offenders in the area. We're interviewed. They were polygraphed. Actually, a few of them did not pass their polygraph tests. But there wasn't really, there was like a couple people that didn't, and there was nothing to hold them on really. And no, I mean, they don't have a shred of evidence. So

what are they going to do? Yeah, what are you going to do? You can't do much with just a polyp. Yeah, you can't be like, I think you lied. Yeah, and also it's weird that like multiple of them lied. Yeah, it's strange. I think it, maybe it's just like nerves. Yeah, that could happen. I feel like I could never pass one of those. I think I would

just be like, yeah, and if you're coming in as a sex offender already, you're probably already nervous, nervous, which you should be. Don't do it. So the next big tip would not come until May of 2003, three years after Molly Bish went missing. Wow. Yeah. A hunter from the area had seen a blue bathing suit in the woods in a nearby town called Palmer, which I've actually literally never heard of. Oh, yeah, I've heard of it. Oh, yeah. All right.

It's Massachusetts. One police went to investigate. They did find a piece from what they determined to be Molly's bathing suit. Not only did her father remember buying that bathing suit with his daughter, it was like this very specific blue and white color, they said. Like, he was like, I know that was it, but DNA testing confirmed that it was Molly's. Oh, that's horrific. Now, once the bathing suit was found,

there was another massive search. And actually, it was the biggest search in Massachusetts state history. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This was everywhere. Absolutely. I was in high school and this happened.

It was everywhere. Yeah. I don't remember it because I think I was literally five years old. I was pretty young. You were really, I mean in 2003, you were what, like eight years old? Yeah, I was like, I'm not in 2004, I was eight. Yeah, it doesn't matter. But I don't remember this at all because I was so little.

And I think probably if it was on the news, somebody was like, let's not have that on. Let's just turn that on. All this five year olds in here. Yeah. But yeah, so the huge, huge, huge search, massive search, biggest in US, in US, in Massachusetts history. And then the first week of June, there were multiple grim discoveries. Partial remains were found in Palmer in an area called Whiskey Hill. A lock of hair and a tongue ring were also found all confirmed to be Molly's.

Oh, yeah. And I just thought this was like a really cute story because like, I think it's like, I think she's so badass for like convincing her parents to get a tongue ring. I know I was going to say what a badass, right? And John senior remembered taking Molly to get her tongue pierced the previous spring. And he was like the only, like reason that I did it is that she promised she wouldn't get any tattoos or any other piercings until she was 45 at least.

And I just thought that was a cute story. Well, she seems like she was such a good kid to be in pretty responsible. There was a rebellious. What you want to do, cool. If your kid is that good and they're like, can I just get my tongue pierced? It's not permanent.

You know, it's especially in 2000s. Like I remember even, and like when I was in high school, people are still getting their tongue spares. Oh yeah. But like, and I feel like back then, it was like such a thoo. It was a huge thing, man.

Yeah. So I thought that was just like a huge story. Like father, daughter, daughter, daughter. Yeah, and they just seemed like they were like, the bond between them was something like really, actually, and it's sad. Yeah, her parents just seemed like they were like, and honestly, the bond between them was something really special and it's sad. Yeah, her parents just seemed so cool. Like they seemed like really just like down to Earth's

sweet people. Her mom, and like I said in the beginning, her mom was saying how Molly had like an, I love Lucy sense of humor. And her mom in interviews, she has like this smile and obviously it's like, she's smiling through a lot of pain. But you can tell that she's like kind of goofy and silly too. Yeah, like she just gets that by a buff.

They just seem like really fucking awesome people. Yeah, it really sucks when this shit happens because it's always to these kind of people. Exactly, I know. I hate it so much. Now, only 26 of the 206 bones that make up the human body were found. Wow, 26. Wow.

26. Wow. Maggie and John actually had to wait to collect their daughter's remains and wait to hold a funeral service so that everything could be analyzed and then they were advised against cremating Molly's remains in case like any new testing or anything that that came about. Yeah, I can understand that. So Molly's remains were buried along with her prom dress and a ton of letters from written by friends and family.

Wow. And with the prom dress, it's like, ooh, because you forget. She literally just went to prom. She was fucking 16. Like what? And this is really just gonna drive the point home like how horrific this case was and how much this poor family suffered.

Molly was buried on what would have been her 20th birthday. Wow. August 2nd, 2003. Wow. Like, it's just horrific. So let's get into like who the heck did this now? Who the fuck did this? Right.

I was, so there's, we're gonna get into suspects and I'm like reluctant to even say suspects because so far in the past 20 years that this case has been ongoing and open and everything, no arrests have ever been made, which is crazy. It's been, I mean, 21 years now. I know, and it feels like 2003, you're like, oh, yeah, that was a few years ago. Yeah, in 2000 when she disappeared. Yeah. But there have been a lot of different persons of interest along the way. Now the first person was named in February of 2008. This is a man named Rodney,

a stagner, I believe, size eight. He was arrested in Florida for the murder of his girlfriend, Crystal Morrison. He stabbed her 39 times and nearly decapitated it. So that just goes to show you what kind of guy I'm dealing with. Crystal sister Bonnie actually came forward to give information that she thought might be helpful in the Molly Bish investigation. Wow. Now she said that she and her sister hadn't spoken for like almost 20 years and then out of the blue Bonnie got a call from Crystal and Crystal told Bonnie that she was sure that she was going to be murdered by her boyfriend Rodney that night. And the entire, it's, first of all, the conversation starts off like that.

And then the rest of the conversation is just like very bizarre. It was almost like she was speaking, Crystal was speaking to Bonnie in some kind of like code. Wow. And she, you don't talk to her for 20 years. And that's what you call the same. And that's what you call the same. And she's like, I'm fairly certain I'm going to be murdered. Yeah, I mean, like, what the fuck? Right. So she also, Crystal also told her sister

that she needed the phone numbers for the FBI and the Massachusetts State Police. Now remember, there was, they're living in Florida. And she was like, I don't need Florida police. I need Massachusetts State Police. What? And she wanted both parties to come and talk to her

in Rodney about murder. Murder. Oh, that's weird. Yep. Now it's going to get weirder because Crystal actually commented a couple times and seemed to be making a point about asking Bonnie about her bird. Like I guess Bonnie had this bird that was like squawking in the background and Crystal like kept commenting on it. There was multiple phone calls. And she's like, one day Bonnie told her the bird's name because she asked and she was like, okay. And then the next night she asked the bird's name again.

And she's like, how did she already, like the article I read, she was like, how did she already forget? We just talked about this. Yeah. And body reminded Crystal that that bird's name was Molly. And then the phone went silent. And Bonnie realized that there was a reason why Crystal was making a point to mention the bird.

What? And I guess she was like, it's Molly. And then there was silence. And then Bonnie was like, oh my God. And Crystal was like, yup, like, oh my God. Yeah. Did Rodney look like the sketch? Oh, okay. We'll get into that. Oh my God, Yeah. Did Rodney look like the sketch? Oh, okay.

We'll get into that. Oh my God, I'm stressed. Now, Rodney, believe it or not, so I remember they're in Florida. But believe it or not, he had actually lived in Southbridge, Massachusetts, Massachusetts, which is only about 15 miles away from Warren, which would be like a 25-minute drive. Yeah, nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

It's crazy that I don't remember hearing about this. Really? This is nuts. This is like actually new to me. This is in 2008. Wow. I think there was just like probably so much about that case. There was so many.

Yeah. So yeah, he was an experienced hunter and fisherman with a known background of violence against women, obviously. And that was exactly who the authorities were looking at at that time. They said it's probably somebody just like that between the ages of 18 and 50. Yeah. We get narrowed like the ages down more than that, but they're a hunter, they're fishermen, they know the area.

Yeah, they're sure. Definitely violent. Now, Rodney was, quote, familiar with Comin's pond and Whiskey Hill. And if that's not enough for you, this guy lived, quote, three tenths of a mile away from the YMCA in Southbridge, where Molly got her lifeguard certification. Shut them. Now shut the front door. Shut the front door.

Shut it. Molly's dad worked part time at a hospital in Southbridge, so he would bring Molly to her classes and pick her up when they were done. But there were some days where she got out early or like he had to stay late, so she would hang out around the area. And there was a local coffee shop that she would usually hang out at until I could come get her.

Now one of the private investigators who worked for the Bish family, his name is Tom Sham Sack, I believe is I say it? He said, quote, it's very significant because it's a possible explanation of where Rodney Stagner may have first encountered Molly Bish. This is not a heavily populated area. It's quite possible that the two of them met there. She may have been chatted up. He may have extradited information from her, namely that she was going to be employed

at Comin's Pond. This... Yeah. Y'all? Like, there's so many pieces that fit here. Oh, absolutely. So and Tom felt that way too. So the private investigator. So he actually went to visit Rodney in prison, because remember, he's in prison for literally murdering

murdering his girlfriend. He went to go speak with him and he showed Rodney a picture of Molly. And he said that Rodney wouldn't even look at the picture like glance at it and pushed it back across the table, like didnanced at it and pushed it back across the table. Like didn't want to look at it. I feel like Rodney did it. Mm-hmm. I, I'm like shocked right now.

So you're gonna be even more shocked. Now going back to Crystal Sister Bonnie, she was the one who had to go into the home where her sister was murdered to gather all of her sister's belongings. And it took a little while. I think Bonnie was experiencing like some health issues, but so it took a little while, I think Bonnie was experiencing some health issues, but so it took a little while.

But when she got there, she found Rodney's wallet with a copy of his firearms license. And she said, quote, when I first saw the FID, I said to myself, oh my god, this guy could have sat there and posed for that sketch. What? ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" ["What?" So, and I'll post the picture of his firearms license, which is from Massachusetts.

It is essentially identical. Like when she says that he could have sat and posed for it, that it's not an exaggeration at all. I need, I'm like, okay, stop it. Like, right, stop it. It's insane. Now, Bonnie also found, and this is so creepy that we recently covered a case

where something similar happened. Bonnie also found a bag of hair accessories, like clips and berets that she was like, these definitely did not belong to Molly. She, like, she was like, these belong to a child. Like, and there was like a whole thing of them, a bag of them. What?

In the home, yes. And then here's one more thing on Rodney. I hate this. His brother Randy owned a white Chrysler, and both of them moved to Florida together pretty shortly after Molly disappeared. Okay. Hello.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Hello. Oh my God. So because we talked about Rodney, we also have to talk about his brother Randy, the white, the white Chrysler-owning brother. Yeah. He was actually connected to a missing person's case himself. Oh, what's he? Do you know what the Holly Purinin case?

That sounds very familiar. I literally looked up how to say it and I wrote it phonetically, Purinin. Purinin. That sounds very familiar. I literally looked up how to say it, and I wrote it phonetically, Perrin and. Perrin and, yeah. That sounds very familiar. So Holly was a 10-year-old little girl, and she went missing from Stirbridge, Massachusetts, in 1993.

She had been, I believe, vacationing with her grandmother. And she and her little brother, Zach, took like a short walk to Justin neighbor's house. They were checking out like some new puppies that the neighbor had. But somewhere along the way, they got got separated and Zach came back without her. And when the adults and everyone went back to look for her, all that was left of her was a shoe by the side of the road.

Oh my God. And this little girl must have been like absolutely like super, super smart because she had just gone to a camp and they talked about like you should do if you're being abducted or something like that. Yeah. And they said, leave something behind. So her family thinks that she probably kicked off that shoe as to leave behind a sign, a 10 years old. Rip my heart out of my chest.

Yeah. Now, again, this is really horrible. Three weeks later, Holly's body was found in the woods of Brimfield, Massachusetts, right off of Five Bridge Road. Oh, now I've been to Brimfield for the Antique Fair. You know who else? Like a huge Antique Fair. You know who else had been to Brimfield?

Oh, so that's a great Antique Fair. It is, but that just like bums me out. Randy had been in that area. Oh, I'm shocked. And actually, he was living in those same woods and a tent where her body was discovered. Oh, stop it. Yeah, coincidence, I think not. No, this is too much. Now people who hunted with both brothers later said to the authorities that they were

pretty close to five bridge road when they were hunting. And they had seen it before the brothers had pointed it out to them and then like, oh, there's that over there. Now Holly's little brother had flashbacks later on. It's like images of this man that he thought he saw. In 2005, these flashbacks started happening and he was able to talk to a sketch artist and the man that he described looks a lot like Randy.

Oh. And he had never seen Randy before. Like he'd never seen a picture of him or anything. And then in 2011, DNA from Holly's crime scene was actually able to connect to a man named David Pouliot, I think is how you say it. And that DNA connected him to the scene. So like he was at the crime scene,

but he wasn't named a suspect. And he passed away in 2003. Yeah. Now, I didn't look too deep into it because this is mostly about Molly and maybe we'll cover Holly's disappearance at another point in time, but I'm pretty certain her case is still open and there was actually somebody's body was exhumed that was that they thought was like in connection with the case.

Wow. Yeah. Oh, that's horrific. So it's wild. It's so bad. The connections between Molly and Holly's case are like very eerie, and that's just the least. And it's not only the suspects involved,

because they were both 10 years old in 1993, the year that Holly went missing. And Molly actually wrote Holly's family a letter because she was so touched by the case. Stop. And she told them that she hoped that they would find Holly soon. Oh my God.

So literally, this is so strange. I don't even know what to say about that. So I don't even nuts. Wow. Yeah. And I do feel like it's worth mentioning that these two girls had similar features, like blonde hair, blue eyes.

Their abductions were sort of similar, both having been in like pretty secluded areas where there was not like a quote-unquote adult around. Yep, weird. That is very weird. Yes, but Rodney and Randy were not the only people of interest. There was another man named as a suspect by another private investigator on Molly's case, and this was Dan Malley.

This man named as a suspect by Dan Malley was Gerald Bada Sony. Gerald is a disgusting monster, a pedophile, just the lowest of the low. Yeah, he's horrible. And he had some shocking connections, not only to Molly's case, but Hollies as well, both cases. Now, he was named a suspect by the PI in 2011 when he was already in prison for raping a teenage girl in the 90s. Disgusting. Yeah. And the girl who he raped was the daughter of a woman that he had been dating.

Oh. Yeah. This woman that he raped, this young girl said that he, excuse me, he had assaulted her, or sexually assaulted her over 100 times. Oh my god. Yes. And it seems that he was like quite literally obsessed with her. He told her, there was like multiple police reports of regarding this case. He told her that he loved her in front of the police who were called when he broke a restraining order just to go see her. What? So it's not unlikely to think that Gerald's

may have been stalking this young girl. And here's what's weird about that. When Molly Bish went missing in 2000, the rape victim was actually living on Common's Farm Road. Stop. So he could have just been there, doing what he was doing.

It happened to find. And happened to find Molly and like let, I mean, I don't even wanna go there. And also, I just looked up a photo of him. He looks like those eyes. Yeah. Those eyes, right? Those eyes.

That's the same fucking eyes from that sketch. But the scariest thing is, I mean, Rodney looks like him too. Like it's, but I'm gonna be honest. Jared looks more like him. Those eyes. I agree with you. Those are very specific in that sketch. Yeah.

And looks like that guy. He absolutely does. Slap a mustache on him and he's him. Well, he has a mustache. Just wait. Oh, well, in the photo, I saw he didn't. Yeah, there's a reason for that. So the fun, I can't, this case is stressing me out.

Yeah, so I said he also had connections to Holly's case. The woman that he'd been dating, the victim's mother, was a real estate agent who had a home listed right near Holly's grandmother's house. And the woman, the mother of the victim, her name and picture and everything was on that sign. So I don't know if it was some kind of revenge, like doing it in an area where the mother was

because he was up to that, I don't know. But weird that those two cases are connected to that man as well. Very strange. Yes. Very strange. And also, the day that Molly went missing, Gerald was working on his wife at the time, her car, which was a white sedan. Okay.

And he told her that he took it for a spin out in Warren. Where Molly went missing. Yeah. And his wife said that was weird because he didn't have a license at the time. And that once the news of Molly's disappearance broke, he shaved his mustache and stopped going places, like stayed at home most of the time. I truly, when I looked at that photo of Gerald, I was like, that's the guy. Oh, just those eyes.

Yeah, those beanie little fucking eyes. Specific. They are so specific in both of those sketches, that is him. Yeah, it's compelling. Now, then it's like, Rodney was very compelling too. I know, a lot of it's very compelling. It's those eyes, man.

I can't get past it. Yeah, I still like. They don't. The windows to the soul. Yes. There you go. Well, Gerald also loved, he liked true crime. He loved to watch court TV and he would talk about true crime a lot. He talked about the cases. He would watch some cases over and over again. He also would apparently like cut out like brutal newspaper clippings and just leave them around the house. Fun. And be like, this is how I'm going to and just leave them around the house. Fun.

And be like, this is how I'm gonna kill you, like to his wife. So quirky. Yeah, super quirky, super quirky. But for some reason, when his wife brought up the Molly Bish case to him, he didn't wanna talk about it at all. And he told her, quote,

sometimes there's just no evidence. Yeah. I literally, come on. And by the way, Gerald had been known and it is cited in police reports. He had been known to impersonate a police officer. So like we said, like the first aid kit was open, Cheryl, maybe that meant something. Maybe it didn't or I mean, maybe she thought she was helping a police officer. Yeah.

100%. So maybe that's how we got Molly to trust him and he learned her away when she tried to help him. Gerald looks good for this, man. Do we know if he was a smoker? I don't know. I was gonna say it's probably not. Oh, wait, no, no, no, that's a lie.

I do know, actually. Sorry, sorry, sorry. His wife, because I didn't find this anywhere I saw it in one article, so I'm not sure if this is the absolute truth. But I guess Maggie made it a point to when she was doing the composite sketch to like say how the guy was holding the cigarette or like he's holding it a certain way in the picture. Yeah. I didn't think it was like any specific way.

Like, I feel like that's how most people hold it. But his wife said that there was like a certain way that he would hold a cigarette and she said it used to like piss her off. Really? And she noticed that the man in the sketches like holding it similarly, or Maggie had said that he was. So he was a smoker. He's holding it between his two fingers.

Like very like, but his fingers are very like rigid. Yeah, like pointed out. Like almost like somebody would be like parading someone like smoke like, like, moo, you know, like, it's like pointed out. Like almost like somebody would be like parading someone, like smoke, like, moo, you know, like, I'm smoky as a grid. It just looks like you would be making fun of someone smoking a cigarette,

but I'm so cool. Because most people like hold the cigarette. It's a little sideways. Or they'll maybe hold it like, between their fingers just like, very casually, but this, he looks very rigid with his fingers. Yeah. It is a very specific way to hold your cigarette.

So I mean, there you have it. I'm so, I, I Gerald. So there's that. And then it is also said that he used to buy drugs in whiskey hill where Molly's remains were found. So he knew that area well too. And then the smoking gun Alina, this is really going to send you all the way. What is it?

Home. He attempted suicide when news broke that he was probably connected to Molly and Holly's case. He tried to slit his own throat, but it didn't work. He was taken to a hospital and treated. He did it. However, he did it.

He died in prison in 2014 without confessing, and having a part in either case. Damn it. But he is a pretty strong suspect. He, to me, Yeah. Feels like rock solid. He feels pretty solid.

And it's killing me, that he's, that kills me. That kills me. I know. I remember hearing like bits and pieces of him. Yeah. But I don't remember like following this like like as closely as I thought I would have, but I didn't.

See. And now I'm like, what? The thing is like obviously I think in like Rodney and Randy's cases, like there's very like creepy stuff and like, honestly, there's more creepy stuff about Randy in regards to Holly's case than there is Rodney in regards to Molly's case. Yeah, for sure. But the thing about Gerald is that there's a lot of weird shit. First of all, why would you try to commit suicide

if you had nothing to do with it? Exactly. Why would you shave your mustache when you, obviously that composite sketch went out pretty quickly? You put a mustache on that, dude. It is an exact... And he had a mustache. Exactly.

Literally shaved it. Exactly. And just all the connections to them. He was working on the white Chrysler. That wasn't even his that day. And then he took it for a spin and fucking Warren. And that he's like connected to it because he already isn't present for raping a girl.

He smokes and he smokes weird. And then Molly's mom was saying, like it was a very specific way he held a cigarette. Right. Which again, I'm not sure if she said that, but I did see it in one way. It's like, there's so many things on top of so many things. And the fact that the woman,

or the young girl that he raped was living on the same road as the pond. And that he was like stalking, like obsessed with that girl. It seemed like he was. Yeah. It seems like if you're around the area, yeah, you happen to come around Molly. And you're probably like angry in a no way. And he's probably angry. He's a predator in a disgusting. Yeah. You happen to come around Molly and you're probably like angry

and annoyed. He's probably angry. He's a predator in a disgusting. He's a monster. Yeah. Go and read more about him because they got him. He is just he like you used to make his wife wear like children's under. Oh my God. Get the. I can't. When I said he's a disgusting monster. I didn't want to like say that. I hope he is like, but we're all in whatever is happening. Whatever he is, I hope it is like nothing we can imagine. No. Is it Stonzy on TikTok? Who does it like she like pretends to be the devil and how? I hope that she is like his his hell. I was version of hell. I love Stonzy. She's the best. She really is. I think it isn't it's stunsy potenza. I think it is. I think that's what it is on TikTok. She's hilarious. Go follow

her. Yeah, but side note. She is great. But so yeah, back to this. No, in 2013, construction started close by to where Molly's remains were found. And the construction was for a race track in the area that was going to be used for, like, quote, driver education, motor vehicle testing, demonstration and competition. So just a bunch of shit. And the bitch family was actually hopeful that some evidence might be discovered during the construction. Yeah.

Absolutely. And Maggie, they're going to be digging around everywhere. Right. Exactly. And it's a huge area. Yeah. And it's right where her remains were found. It's like right there.

And Maggie said, quote, I'm so happy that it was like dealt with properly. She said they were very, very conscientious and took it very seriously about what they could come across. They also said that they'd be very happy and very willing to put up a memorial for Molly. Oh, and there. Okay, so there is a memorial from Ollie. It's like this big yellow sign. I don't know if it's like by her house, or if it's the memorial that these people put up, I tried to find to figure out where exactly it is, but I can only see a picture of it,

like not where it is. Oh, really? Yeah, we'll have to find out. Yeah. But I was happy that they, like, they were conscientious. They were so seriously. Exactly. Now now it's

unclear if ever if any evidence was found there like I didn't find any follow-up of any evidence being found when they built the track but I felt it was worth mentioning yeah for sure now they did find things maybe they aren't saying it just well and I'm going to get into like a little bit of that you know because a year later in

2014 some new evidence was found a partially buried bag was found across the street from where Molly's remains were discovered. And the bag contained plaid boxer shorts that were similar to the ones that Molly had been wearing over her bathing suit. Oh, okay. That day she was wearing just little shorts

and a pink tank top. Okay. So this bag that was found had shorts that were similar to the ones that she was wearing. Now, that, again, I haven't found any updated like a pink tank top. Okay. So this bag that was found had shorts that were similar to the ones that she was wearing. Now, that, again, I haven't found any updated information regarding that discovery, like if it led anywhere else, but it seems like there's been a few discoveries

in recent years that the investigators are holding close to the chest, like you would say. Yeah. So it makes sense. Yeah, I couldn't find- You don't want to let everything out because. No, and it does seem like they're kind of getting somewhere. It did.

Yeah, from what I could see, it looks like they, there seems like there's something. Yeah. Maybe something there. But I mean, it's been 20 years, so they probably have to go over everything like over and over again. Oh, for sure. Now, more, like pretty big news broke during a 2014 campaign that Molly's family put together. It's called the just one piece campaign, excuse me, just one piece campaign.

Now the name comes from the hope that people will realize that like just one more piece of evidence could solve this entire case or help the investigation. And it serves as a reminder that no information in this case is too small. Like if you know even just an inkling of something, call and say it. Yeah, for sure. If you really know it to be true. But so they put together this campaign and people can come forward to make confidential statements during this that may help the investigation. Awesome.

So in 2014 they had this and four people came forward to identify a new person of interest. Apparently, there was a man staying on a campground nearby and he was gone like one whole entire day and it was the day that Molly went missing. And he came back the next day and his face was like all messed up. There was like scratches and his face was bloody and he was talking, excuse me, he was yelling about, quote, something bad that happened in the woods the night before. What?

Yes. And then, apparently, again, he's not named, but in recent years, he has allegedly been bragging to people that he knows he's a person of interest and they still haven't come around to interview him. What? Yeah. So strange. Now his name, like I said, still hasn't been released,

but that does make me slightly hopeful that they might be on to something here. Yeah, if they're not releasing his name, that's interesting. That's pretty big, I think. That's interesting. Now, another piece of information that came out during the same campaign,

the Just One More Peace campaign, was about a white car that may be buried at Old Saw Mill campground in West Brookfield. I'm not sure if it's the same campground that the unidentified man was staying at, but couldn't determine that. The property isn't a campground anymore and it's owned by a different person than it was at the time of Molly's death. Now the new owner gave permission for the property to be searched. And ground penetrating radar was used to search the ground for a car that is supposedly buried beneath the campground.

And quote, compelling anomalies were found during the search. Yes. Now, I haven't seen any update about this since 2018, like the search for the car. I don't know if they found the car. I don't know anything because like Mama, I was looking at like, Trixie Mattel Mama. I was looking for this and looking and looking.

I spent like an hour just trying to find out any update on the car situation. I am dying. I haven't found one. I haven't found one. But again, it gives me hope that like maybe they did find something and they are just not saying it right now. I haven't found one. But again, it gives me hope that maybe they did find something and they are just not saying it right now.

Or they're really like, Tred and what, like they're trying to make sure they do everything right, because they do know that like things are connecting. I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope. So they went out there one day and they said that like they found some stuff and then they came back a couple days later

and like looked around some more. Now an unnamed man who looks a lot like the composite sketch actually still lives in the same area, which he could be the man that people are coming forward about. He's a known fisher and hunter, and he was friends with the original owner of that campground. And Heather Bish, Molly's sister, said that at the time of Molly's murder, there was construction equipment

at the campground that could have been used to aid in burying that car. Oh, because I was good at that. That was one of the things I was like, I was like, damn, that's a lot of work to bury a car. But then if you're friends with the guy that works there and there's already equipment, you can just dig a giant hole, stick the car in there. Boom, like put it in there.

You're good to go. Oh my God, I gotta know. Now Heather Bisch seems to be the one who is really taking things over for the family right now. John senior had a stroke like they're definitely they're not like old at all, but they're older now. And I mean, they've been through a lot in their life. So for sure. I think Heather is like really like almost like the spokesperson and like really like keeping this alive. But everybody in the family has done, like I'm gonna get into it in a second.

But she Heather said that she will fight until her dying day to find out who this person was and what happened to her sister. I'm like, I wanna like help her. I do too. This is making me crazy. I'll let you on to something at the end of this. So Molly's memory has kept alive

in some really beautiful ways. The entire family, like I just said, I'm gonna get into it now. They have done the most incredible work. They've provided thousands of families from Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New York with thousands and thousands of identification kits for their children. You know how, like when a kid is little, you like fingerprint them.

You know, I don't even know what goes into it. But the reason that they did this is because they didn't really have, they had like prom pictures and stuff of Molly. It just wasn't a thing back then. But it wasn't exactly what she looked like. So they had trouble finding a recent picture of her. So they helped other families, so that like God forbid they were ever in the circumstance, they would have the kid right there.

All the things they need to be like, here's all of the things you will need to find them. Yes. Which is like so amazing. So scary when you think about it, but it's something that needs to be like, here's all of the things you will need to find them. Yes, which is like so amazing. So scary when you think about it, but it's something that needs to be done unfortunately. Which is horrific that it needs to be done. Right, they also set up the Molly Bish Foundation and they have traveled for years to different events all about protecting children against crimes like these.

They helped bring the Amber Alert to Massachusetts. Amazing. They worked on countless different legislations that are all about protecting children, all about crimes regarding children, abductions. And they also set up another foundation, the Molly Bish Center for the protection of the children and the elderly. My God.

So they have just essentially dedicated their lives just not only getting justice for Molly, but like preventing this from ever happening to another family. We're going to take that kind of tragedy and that kind of grief and turn it around. And turn it around. Like nightmare situation and turn it into something like so positive and so like to reach out to other families

and like that's just like because literally like your world just implodes on you like, oh, it's not an original. No one would blame anybody in that family for just like going to bed and like never like being the same ever again. Yeah, like never wanting to talk to another person ever again. I would not blame one of the soul of them. But then they turn around. This is like, wow.

They dedicated their entire lives to this. Unreal. And Heather has gone on like different like podcasts. She's like, talk to different news outlets and everything. Like Heather really wants to get this case solved for her sister and for her family. I want this for her soul badly. I want it for her soul badly.

So this past year on June 27th, for the 20th anniversary of Molly's disappearance, Heather asked that neighbors and people along the drive to Comin's pond leave their porch light on or a candle in the window. And also that people leave a kindness rock at the sign near the bish house, which when I read that, I was like,

is that the sign like the yellow one? Maybe. But leave a kindness rock there, she asked them to do it so that Maggie can use them in her garden. I want to bring a kindness rock. Dude, I literally in my mind, I was like, I want to drive there right now. I want to go and leave a kindness rock. I know. She drove her parents to the pond that day to remember Molly as they always do on June 27th. Oh, yeah. Now district attorney Joseph D. Early Jr. recently said, quote,

the Molly Bish case is turning 20 years old, now 21. But the tip still come in every week and every tip is followed up on. We have had many items tested for DNA over the years and we continue to do so. This case is very active and a tremendous amount of work is being done. I am hopeful it will be solved. And investigators ask that people come forward and share their DNA, especially now that familial DNA is becoming really helpful in cold cases. They're really asking for people to do that. Now this is so important if you're listening to anything, listen to this. Anyone with information about the Molly Bish case can call the state police

tip line at 508 453 7575 again 508 453 7575 Amazing. And Heather Bish said just to end this quote, if the person who did this could have a change of heart and tell us what happened, it would give us a certain amount of peace and closure just as far as justice is concerned. Ugh. So that is the really, really, really tragic case of Molly Bish. You did such a good job with that.

Thanks. And also this case. Wow. I really hope that we can like deliver some kind of update. Like, I hope so. As soon as possible. I swear, I we can like deliver some kind of update. Like, I hope so. As soon as possible. I swear, I wish I like wanna help. I know.

I wish I just wanna help. It's one of those cases, you always feel so helpless in these, like this particular case, just, I think resonates. Yeah, the fact that it's a Massachusetts case, the fact that it's like, just the fact that it happened so quickly, it was clearly like somewhat planned. Yeah, it just, yeah, it's definitely, I know it definitely part of it is like Massachusetts family. Just like you just like, I just wanna help you.

When like watching interviews with this family, like I watch so many interviews and just like, different like reading different things that they said, they're just like your typical family, like they're like your best friends family, or like they're just like your typical family, like they're like your best friend's family, or they're just very relatable people. I just wanna give them what they deserve. Yeah, I wanna give them,

I wanna give them some kind of closure and some kind of peace, I really do. Well, if you go to the Molly Bish foundation website, they have different ways like where you can help. Like if you wanna get involved in this, that's the perfect place for you to go. They have different resources where you can. Because If you want to get involved in this, that's the perfect place for you to go. They have different resources where you can. Because sometimes you just feel like so helpless listening to a story like this.

Like I have on different things and I'm like I want to do something. But I feel like I can't. So go there and go there and figure out how to help. At least try. Yeah, and it's seriously, if you know something, call that number that I said. Yes. Only if you know something like for real. Yes, please. But like they said, no matter how little you think it is,

it could be make or break. You never know. Yeah. Because it could connect to something else that you don't even know. You know this. Yeah. If you know anything, if you heard anything,

if you saw anything, anything, jog your memory. Yeah, just think about it. Think about it, Masels. Come on, Masels. We're good at this stuff. We are. But yeah, wow. so that is that.

Thank you for that. And thank you Patronis for choosing that case because that was one we always intended to cover. Absolutely. But you guys just sped it up. So thank you for finally getting us to do it. Moving that to the top of our list. Yeah.

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