Morbid - Episode 216: The Mysterious & Cursed Turnbull Canyon

Episode Date: March 14, 2021

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It's morbid. Hello, we're back. Hope you enjoyed our little sit-down with Terry Carnation. Yes, because that was wonderful and magical for us. He is probably one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life, also one one of the funniest and that was just an overall amazing experience I really was I was so fun every and So dark air with Terry Carnation is gonna be coming out April first But if you you know if you love rain Wilson and you love Terry Carnation I think we've also we've like we've advertised for radio rental on this podcast before. For sure. But we just want to put it out there again because I think it's just one of those podcasts that is just such a good listen.

It's so funny. Yeah, this is not an ad. We're not being paid for this. This is literally just like, I really like Radio Rental. We do that sometimes. We just want to tell you about stuff we're listening to. No, and I think you guys would like it too. Radio Rental, I think, is up everyone's alley,

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because it's fun. It is. And again, not an ad. I'm just saying. But today, we are going to go in a weird direction. Where are we headed? We're going to head to California. Always weird.

Because I don't think we have any other business. So I think we can just like pop right into this, right? Yeah, let's get it. There's no business in there. I don't think so. No more business. It's Saturday. It's Saturday.

It's Saturday. Let's just everybody chill out. It's cool. Yeah. Take it easy. Fuck it. Let's get right into this. Let's let's get chill like California. Let's get blizzed. I love where you took it. Let's lay down and take a nap. Well, we are at my apartment. So we are that's true. So we're gonna go to a little place called Turnbull Canyon in California. Never have I ever heard of that. It is between Whittier and Haseanda Heights and it's in Whittier, California. Never have I ever heard of that. It is between Whittier and Hossianda Heights

and it's in Whittier California. All right, I didn't even know there was a Whittier California. I didn't either because we are East Coast ladies, so this is all new stuff for me. I've never even been to California, isn't that so fucked? I have, it's really cool. I want to go back. Yeah, I may not want to do a show there. I want to know how they're hopefully you know someday We will hello California. We want to come to you. Yeah, we do as has with the rest of the the cities that we had to we just want to go anywhere We really do. I think everybody does we're almost there guys. Hey, oh finish line. We're almost there So everybody just hang on tight. We're all gonna hang on this together But use hand sanitizer after you hold on it. Yeah, like hang on tight, like, but not virtually.

With gloves on, you know. All right, so let's talk about Turnbull Canyon. Now, this has murder, murder, attempted murder, ghosts, cults, a shit, a gravity hill, a hanging tree, a plane crash, it has all kinds of stuff. This is like, you know you there. You know that I love me a weird-ass place

that I love me. I also know that I love me. I love you. I think everybody should love themselves. I was just gonna say everybody should love themselves. that I love me. I love you. I think everybody should love themselves. I was just gonna say everybody should love themselves. I do love me. Good. But I also love me a like crazy ass place that has like big feet,

you know, like weird shit that goes down it, like a betting tin triangle. I was just gonna set triangle or like that underwater place that or the underground place that you did before. Yes. Mary King's clothes that took me a second to remember that. Mary King's clothes is really cool. That was one of my favorite. And you know the Irish vanishing triangle.

Yeah, that's a crazy one. So yeah, I love these places. This is one of those places that just like, it was cursed right from the get-go. And things have been on a downhill slide ever since. Is it like another place to add to our list of places to visit? Yes, this is definitely, but no. No, you take it back.

You know what I take it back, no. I love how you were just like hell, yeah. And then you were like actually not at all. No, no. It's, you know, because it's, you know, places like the Bennington triangle, I'm like, yeah, yeah, it take me there. I want to see a big foot, like for sure. We don't wanna do a look what's here.

This is like dangerous. Like this is like murders happen here still. So like still, I'm good. All right, I'm gonna shut up. Yeah, I'm good here. So this place is called Turnbull Canyon. It was named after a guy called Robert Turnbull and the guy who it's named after was murdered. So it started

off like you said with murder and mayhem right off the bat. Right. So Robert Turnbull was a Scottish immigrant. So like, yes, Scotland. He moved to the area in 1873 and he had come to America to find fortune and he did. Okay. I did really well. And I think in Scotland, he was like a rancher, a shepherd, like that kind of thing, but he was really looking to get into real estate. Okay. Because it was starting to boom over here and he was like, California, I'm going.

California, so he immediately looked into getting into the real estate game. The problem was, he also liked to hit the sauce a bit. Same. And when he hit the sauce, it was early, often, not same, and in great quantities, not same. So quite a bit. Okay.

He would also get into fist fights with literally anyone around him when he was hitting said sauce. It's not a desirable quality. So soon he was kind of known as that Scottish guy who was saucy and aggressive. Like, he would just get into bar fights all the time. He was always drunk. People around him said that like they literally never saw him sober.

So he was just really like, he was living that way. I bet if he was your uncle though, he would have been the funnest uncle. He would be the hilarious Scottish uncle. He was. That would be, yeah. The drunk Scottish uncle. That's what we all need one of those. We all have one, I feel. Well, around 1875, Temple Workman Bank

was the huge bank in the area. And it was having some serious issues. The men who owned it were kind of like shitty at their jobs. And it just started getting chaotic very quick. They did not know how to manage money. And eventually, the state's economy went tanking. Oh no. And the bank couldn't handle it so they just closed. Oh, leaving the people in the town shitt out of luck with the money they had put in the bank. They just

closed it up. That's not allowed. I feel so now the town they were like we got to figure out how to get this money back. So the town put together an advisory committee, and they filled this advisory committee. They had the people lead it that were the bank's largest creditors. Okay. And this was kind of like just to take care of this, figure out how to get the people their money back. Well, Robert Turmbill found himself on this committee, because although he was a saucy fighter, he was also doing pretty okay in the real estate game

And he was one of the bank's biggest accounts. All right, he was on there to try to figure this out He was probably drunk, which is awesome like Good for him. He's at least he's like functioning. He's really getting things done. Yes, which I appreciate and while on this Committee though He also got the opportunity to see investments in land ahead of time and also purchase land for cheap because he was on this committee They're trying to figure all this out. They're looking at different places to try to like build things and like get the economy going again So this is when the canyon came up for sale okay the place around the canyon and in the canyon and He purchased the canyon immediately for like nothing.

Ooh. So he really got like jumped on that. He was an honest to goodness mogul. I love it. And he figured in this canyon, it was a really nice area. I think there was like nice fresh water, like a stream running through it.

So he figured he was gonna go back to his roots, he was gonna raise sheep there and sell the wool. As like a side business. So he was like side hustling. And it was just really pretty. So he was gonna raise sheep there and sell the wool as a side business. So he was like side hustling. And it was just really pretty. So he was like, I want that. Yeah, it's like a two for one deal. I want that canyon.

It's serene and I can make some money. So he bought it for a song and at this time, it was still not named after him. So it didn't become named after a lot. He's still alive. Because at first I was like, oh, that's fun. That he bought that canyon. I was like, turn bulk canyon.

Like he just named it after himself. That would be an awesome button. I'll have them. So in 1885, two Quakers named Akeia Pickering in Jonathan Bailey, according to the Quaker campus, which is very, it was an informative article about this. Cool. They came and they offered Robert some cash money money

for the canyon. They were like, this is so fun. I love you so much. This is some cash money money for the canyon. They were like, this is so fun. This is so fun. Cash money money. This is a great canyon you have here. Love it. And they were like, we would love to settle here and shit. So they were like, we love this area.

So they bought a ton of the land around the canyon. And then they were like, we'd really like that canyon as well, because we have all the land around it. No. And it's right in the middle of our land, and it also has that nice stream in the middle where we can use it for supplies and shit. And he was like, that's my stream.

And Mullen Robert was like, yeah, he wasn't a dick about it. He was just like, I just really love this canyon, and I don't want to sell it. And it's like, okay. So for a couple of years, they kept trying to ask him to sell it. Like everybody was, it seems everything I read said that like nobody was like being a nasty nasty about it. They were just like, hey, ready yet?

Ready to sell that yet and he was like, no. No. They were like, okay, we'll come back. So like have some oatmeal. Yeah. I was like, yeah. Totally. Have some quaker oatmeal. So in 1887, they offered him $30,000,

which was a lot back then. I mean, it's a lot now, but it's a lot. Just like a down payment on a condo. It's today. I was gonna say it today. And he was like, okay. Like as soon as they gave him that, he was like, that already.

So he was to my arm. He was psyched. He was like, all right, cool, take the canyon. It's yours. He's like, I'll buy six of this. Yeah, he was like, I don't care. That's a lot of money, cool. Hey cool, take the canyon, it's yours. He's like, I'll buy six others. Yeah, he was like, I don't care, that's a lot of money, cool. Hey there, fellow podcast listener, it's Elena.

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1888, only a few months after he sold it. Robert was drinking, doing what he does best. Drinking in fighting, that's what he was doing. He was in a pub, he got into like a bar brawl. Nothing new. He just lit like a Tuesday. Sure. And he got thrown out onto the street and he was on his way home and he fell off of his horse apparently. Oh, no. Which is no good. That's probably something he hadn't done before.

Yeah. And apparently the police found him off his horse and they arrested his ass for public drunkenness. Not an R UI. Not an R UI riding under the influence, H UI, forcing under the infloresick. So the police arrested him for public drunkenness. They threw him in the drunk tank. He didn't remember anything about the evening, but he remembers going home, or he remembered going home, and he realized on his way home that he was not feeling great. And he was like, oh, maybe it's just because I was really drunk,

but then he was like, I feel like I got hurt. So, oh no. He suddenly realized that he was severely beaten. Like, he doesn't remember the beating, but he remembers being like, he was severely beaten. Imagine. So he was bloody and bruised and swollen when he arrived home,

according to his housekeeper. What? And he slept for more than a day and then woke up. He was really close to her. He had a very intense concussion. And she reported that he was acting very strange. And he put on a weird mismatched outfit, which was not, he was always very like put together.

And then took one of her hats and put it on his head. He probably had like a traumatic brain injury. He knew 100% had a traumatic brain injury. Like he fell off a horse and then took one of her hats and put it on his head. He probably had a traumatic brain injury. He had a hundred percent had a traumatic brain injury. Like he fell off the horse and then was beaten. Well, and so he left the house. He was like, goodbye Mary and he just left and she was like, that's my hat, okay. So they didn't have cell phones.

So she was like, I guess I'll see you, hopefully. Like, she didn't text everyone. Give me my hat back. Good luck with your cranium. And I want my pink hat back. I want my pink hat back. I want my pink hat back. She's a screed in that out of them. And she didn't hear from him for like a day. Yeah. And then the following day, a couple of children discovered his dead body

floating in the LA River. Oh no. So it was clear that he had either fell off the Macy Bridge into the LA River or he had been thrown, which like either is not too known. You know, the other one is good because the medical examiner said that he died from a blood clot that came from a severe head injury that killed him. Yeah. And it was labeled a homicide and it was never solved.

But do we really think it was a homicide? Well, here's the thing, it would be a homicide whoever beat him caused that clot, meaning that's a homicide. He died of the clot, he did not die of drowning. All right, so he died, and then he was either must have had a blood clot in like an aneurysm as he was walking and fell.

Yeah. Which still would be attributed to the person that caused that injury. Right. Or somebody threw him off the side of the bridge. Either way, somebody murdered him. Dang. And we don't know who. So it was never solved.

Well, those Quakers, those two Quakers who we sold the land to, they named it Turnbull Canyon after him. Like, and they heard all because he was so nice when he sold the land and they were like, wow, that's sad. I love that. So they did that. But that was probably their first mistake, huh? Certainly was. So before Robert came and all that chaotic energy happened,

there was more chaotic energy in this before he even came. Maybe it rubbed off on you. Yeah, this canyon was already full of it. So way, way back, Native Americans knew of this land. And they called this place and I apologize, okay, say this wrong. Who Tuckna? Who Tuckna? Who Tuckna? That's what it is. Who Tuckna. And it translates like roughly to the dark place or the evil place. Awesome. And they used to say that the sun wouldn't touch this valley, like the canyon, and Native Americans wouldn't go there and consider it like cursed, but like kind of sacred ground. Okay. But they wouldn't step foot in there. They were terrified of this place, because it was pitch black when the sun would go down.

Oh, that's so scary. So early Spanish explorers came in and forced these same Native Americans to live in this canyon that they had named the Dark Place and were so terrified of. Well, that's fuck. And they were forced to convert to Christianity and if they refused, they were slaughtered in the canyon. Jesus. So the ghosts, people say that the ghosts of these angry Native Americans

are still walking among the canyon, angry, upset, and not settled. Or probably terrified that they just had to exactly. And hikers say that they'll feel people watching them on the hike. And it doesn't feel like someone's watching them. It feels like many, many, like the same kind of experiences over and over, people say that they feel like a crowd of people is watching them. And some people will say that they will hear like almost like rainstick sounds.

Like not quite a drumming, but like smacking together two sticks, and they hear it faintly in the distance in the canyon. Yeah. So there's that. So already right from the get go, the Native Americans, they always know. Well, that's the thing. It was like the bridgewad of triangle, they knew.

They knew. It's like they always know. So they knew and they were like, don't go in there. And then Pete Settlers came in and were like, you go in there. And then it starts a whole... Here's the thing. Settlers were not settlers. Native Americans, you go in there and then it starts a whole, here's the thing, Settlers were not Settlers.

Native Americans were the one who like knew where to go. They're the ones that are like Settle here, not there. Listen to them. They know the land better than, like, come on guys. So it just started, it kicked off some real chaotic energy in there. So let's talk about, we're just gonna go through all the different things that are occurring in this.

So, cults. I love it. There were some real scary cults happening there. And some say that they're still there. So, the first sightings of this really started during the Great Depression in the 1930s. People would see men and women in black robes gathering in the canyon.

No. And it was said that because this was the great depression, obviously, unbelievable financial upheaval for everybody. Yeah. So this was a time when all around the United States, especially, people were giving up their children to orphanages and for adoption because they couldn't feed them. And they were hoping by giving them up,

the children would be fed basically. So so. Yeah, that's so sad. Yeah, it's a real bummer. I like ruined it. But so this was happening around here, obviously. The orphanages were overflowing with kids. And this cult is said, the legend says that this cult was adopting some of these children or kidnapping them from the orphanages to sacrifice in the canyon.

And a cult paraphernalia and evidence of animal sacrificing was found in there. And there's even a story of a witness, an unnamed witness, which I found like several things, but again, this is legend. There's nothing concrete to hang on to here, but it's a story that's interesting and that it's definitely told around those areas. Listen fuckers, we're gathered around the campfire right now. We are gathered. So, Gaster Mallow and listen up.

So this unnamed witness said that they were near the canyon one night and they saw, they heard all this commotion, so they went over to look and they saw what appeared to be around a 12 year old boy attached to a cross, where these robed figures were chanting around him and like doing weird shit. And then they inverted the cross with him on it

and proceeded to beat the hell out of him until he was completely covered in blood. Oh my goodness. He was then thrown in a sack and driven away. What the fuck? And people say that they have seen hooded figures on the trail even today. And at night, people will see bonfires burning

in the canyon. So is that ghosts or is that a cult that's been around for so long? Yeah, people don't know. And then people will say that they hear the ghosts of children like crying or laughing on the trails or like just all kinds of weird shit. No, ghost children are not for me.

Yeah, it's not a good thing. And I guess there was also like, you know, rumors that after it wasn't really working to like adopt these children from these orphanages, they were like kidnapping kids and also just taking runaway kids, like hitchhiking kids, anything they could find. That's like a cult MO.

Isn't that terrifying? That's so scary. So that's just a scary little like, ah, aside. So another thing that is a big legend among this thing, this area is that there was a mental health facility that was around the canyon. And it's, you don't know if it's like totally for sure, true?

No, I don't know if it's totally for sure, but it's something that it's told in many, many, many different places. So, and it's one of those things that I think is just like a legend that people like tickling onto, but it's one worth telling just because there's a little bit of truth to it, oh, yes. I feel so, where they're smoke, there's fire. Yeah, and it's like, you gotta, you gotta tell these things, you know, you gotta keep the legends going. You gotta keep it going. You gotta keep it going. Pass it down. So, they say that it probably

was around the 1940s that it burned down. And of course, there's been a ton of wildfires in California and actually lately and recently there has been wildfires in Turnbull Canyon. Oh shit. So it's not unlikely. This place was a mental health facility. It was during the time when the Bodhames and Electro shock therapy things were not great in these places at those points. So youotomies and a lecture of shock therapy, things were not great in these places at those points. So you know there was a ton of abuse, a ton of, you know, misery and horror. So it burned down in the 1940s. And the burnt remains of the foundation are said to be at the end of a dirt road that's

close to the public. How I be so spooky. People on YouTube, I've seen YouTube videos where people have gone to these places. There is a burnt out foundation of some building. Oh, me and Hallow. So in the 1960s, it said that a group of teenagers were hanging out here because this is like a place

where people like to go. Of course. They've actually had to reinforce the gate to this place, which I will mention in a minute, because people were going there so often, and there is like partially private property back there. So, it'll go looking for it. But in the 1960s, these teens were hanging out in this like foundation, and the foundation

has like some walls to it. It's like a burnt out building. And one of them was like, oh shit, I think I found the, like the room that they probably did the Elector Shock Therapy in. It had burned instruments and shit. So spooky. And he touched an area of it. And his friend said that he immediately was electrocuted.

Stan. They said, like, grew some electrocution and died. And what's crazy is that 20 years before this, they had shut the electricity off to that place. Yeah, there's no electricity That doesn't make any sense. It's just a really creepy thing That's nuts now leading to this area like I said there's a gate this gate is called hell's gate Not ever calls it hell's gate And it's strange and mysterious and like this big iron gate that leads to the remains of this mental health facility

And people will say like, this is the entrance to hell. Sounds like it. You go in there and you can hear screams of kids and like just weird shit. It's just like you don't want to go there. No. And it's hard to find too. It's like one of those really hard to find places. So the next thing I'll talk about really quickly is called the hanging tree. And if you go on YouTube, you can also see videos of people finding this tree. No. It's said that a man, a man, a man.

I know. A man. It's said, I got really into the storytelling moment for a second. A man. It's said a man. No. It's said that a man hung himself in a tree in the canyon.

That's sad. And people say that they will randomly see a man hanging from a tree, they'll freak out, and then as soon as they look again, it's gone. What the fuck? And people also say that they have seen ghosts of children hanging in the trees. Uh-uh. Like they'll be walking down a trail, and they'll suddenly look to their right, and there's like six trees with kids hanging from them

And then they'll look again and they're gone. No, that shit's not right that part of the sixth sense When they're in the school and he looks up oh, I'm scared Wait, and they're like what are you looking at and he's just staring and then it fucking flashes to the entire god damn family hanging from gallows Uh-huh that fucked me up. You saw this, it's so early, didn't you? I saw it way too early. I saw it too early as well. I saw it too early and it left too much of impression. That one scene, I was like, no, no.

Cause I was a kid in there too. Oh yeah. Two kids and like parents, hand in front of the house. Isn't it like a little like a bonnet? It's horrific. Yeah, it's fucked. And that's what I picture.

Somebody looking to the right and that's what they see and then it's gone. Ugh, ugh, ugh. So don't do it guys, don't do it. No. So that's what I picture. Somebody looking to the right and that's what they see and then it's gone. Oh, so don't do it guys. Don't do it. No. So that's weird. Now let's get to a really solid thing that you can find. Newspaper articles on that is reported that is really fucked up. Let's get to a true crime. A real true crime. This is where we're gonna get to the real shit. Okay. So I gave you all like a spookies. Spookies. And now we're gonna get like, oh, oh, too real for me. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later paralyzed. What would you do?

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Follow this is actually happening, wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder app. So let's talk about a playing crash that happened in this canyon. Oh, key to key. So this playing crash is wild. It's just wild the way it happened. It's wild, the lead up to it. And it's gnarly.

So April 18th, 1952 was when this plane crash happened. It was kind of forgotten in history a little bit. Good, awesome. You're not enough. It's one of those things that if you look up certain sources about Turnbull Canyon, they'll be like, oh yeah, and this plane crash happened. And then they'll say in the source of like,

and you can't find anything relating to this, no articles you can. Like it's just harder to find, because history has kind of like scrubbed it a little bit. That's a little weird. But it is real. Like, there's news reports about it. There's still people involved.

There's a reason that it's a lot of us should know about it. It is weird. It's definitely a weird thing. Weird. And actually, most people in the area have said they grew up hearing this, but thinking it was a legend, like a myth. And it's not like it's a... And then they find out it's real and they're like, oh, it's just strange. So April 16th,

1952, flight 416 west was carrying 26 passengers and three crew members. Many of the sources claim you'll see out there if you look this up, that there was a large amount of children on this plate. There wasn't. It was a very normal amount of people. Why do people feel the need to add like, you know, if it's detailed to a horrific event? You know why they want to with this particular one? Because they want to keep that cult thing going where like, they, I've seen things that

are like, oh, the legends say that the canyon is still thirsting for the blood of the innocent. So people have added on that like the canyon forced this plain full of kids to crash into it so they could like sacrifice it. That's a lot. It's just a very normal flight manifest. It's like there were kids, but also adults. No, not an absurd amount of children or anything. So either way, it was going from New York City

where it left La Guadilla Airport at 609 PM. Initially, Captain John D. Treyer was the pilot, and it stopped in Chicago, and then stopped again in Kansas City. And it was here that Captain Lewis Powell joined, and so did another pilot named Charles Waldron. And so they also on this stop picked up one other crew member and it was a 29-year-old woman named Harriet Parmaly who was a flight attendant but she was off duty at the time.

Okay. They were just picking her up because she was literally just getting on board to hit her ride back to California. Oh, that's awful. And she was in Kansas City, Michigan, visiting her family and attending her uncle's funeral. Oh, wow. And her uncle had died in like a weird scenario

where he owned like a sporting goods store. And there was a gas leak and it just exploded with him and one other customer in the store. Whoa. Yeah, it was just like a, you can look that up to it. I think his name was like Claude, but it's a very strange that's weird nuts So she was attending that uncle's funeral

Just getting on here just to hop back to California right and it's like if they was just not this way That's so crazy that somebody dies and like a freak plane accident all their way home from a funeral It's insane. So they did have a little layover when they landed because they wanted, they had to fix something that was leaking. Yeah. So April 18th at 1.38 a.m. it took off again. And it stopped again very briefly in Wichita, Kansas

to get more fuel. And then it was going to be on its way to California. Now there was a big thunderstorm at one point and it had to stop again in Amarillo, Texas to wait, wait out the storm. This is like when the universe is like, that's, I'm like, this is the wildest. No. Why? Hey, no. No, this is not okay. Now according to Forgotten Tales, the crash of flight for 16 West, they did like a really good job going into all the details of this. It's like a video.

We'll try to post it. The fuck was that? My phone slipped into the crack of the shit. But did you hear that noise? Yes, and my heart just ran over to the other side of the room. It's no longer in my body. I don't know how I'm talking anymore because I'm not a living breathing agent. Did you hear the phone drop?

Yeah, I did. I did. Because it sounded like somebody hit the you hear the phone like drop? Okay good. Cause it sounded like somebody like hit the back of the couch. Oh I know. And I'm just a little bit on edge. I know. Oh I know. I'm sorry. I'm in need of moment.

Oh shit that scared me. I'm, it's dark in here. Fuck. The woods are there. Oh. Okay. Let me breathe for a second. It was like such a cinematic moment. Oh fuck. I'm in. Like, spooky. Let me breathe for a second. It was like such a cinematic moment.

Oh, fuck. I like it. Ooh, it's like when you're like, like, we're gathered around the campfire. My heart is like, t-. They had apparently been traveling from New York at this point for 27 hours. Like, not supposed to take that long. Captain Traer at this point, he was the original pilot. He decided at this stop, he was going to get off the plane. The pilot?

He was going to leave. One of the three four pilots on board. Okay. But he was the original one, so he's handed it over to his co-pilot. Why? There isn't any explanation as to why he left this plane at this point because this was an unexpected stop They weren't supposed to stop in Amarillo, Texas. That's weird. He didn't live there. So There's really nothing else about that. Was he a clairvoyant man? Maybe he just needed a break after 27 hours. He was like I'm tapping out

Well, you know what? I'm proud of him because I think he listened to the universe. And was like, I don't think we're supposed to go there. Always listen to your gut, whatever it's saying. So this was at like 614 PM that he was like, goodbye. Now at 9.04 PM, everything finally cleared up, the thunderstorm went away. Nothing was leaking anymore. They had fuel.

So they took off again for California. At this point, it was Captain Lewis Powell that took over the lead position in the cockpit because that Captain Traier had left. Yeah. So he was very respected, very skilled pilot. He had tons and tons and tons of flight hours under his belt. This was not like, oh, I can't breathe. Not that like any pilot is going to be like oh no but this wasn't like even a rookie this wasn't in one with any less flight hours than one you would definitely want flying your plane but he had suffered a very severe heart attack a month earlier and his doctor had recommended that the airlines not allow him to fly for a while because they were worried about a cardiac event happening.

Right. They were like, we can't be sure that that would happen. It's a little bit irresponsible to not listen to your doctor in that scenario. Well, the airlines didn't listen either and they let him fly. That's fucked up. So that's not good. Now, the plane then landed in Phoenix, Arizona at 12.30 a.m. And this is when three adults and a little baby disembarked. I don't know if this was a planned stop, but it was a quick one.

They just they let these is this private plane? No, that's weird, but it was way back one. So I'm sure that's different. It's different. But they took back off at 1.43 a.m. to finally go to their destination. For real. They were set to land in Burbank when they got to 6,000 feet and were heading into the area. Suddenly a thick spooky fog, blanketed the entire place, and they dropped to 50 degrees. Now, that kind of weather is not ideal for anything, but especially the specific landing instruments

in this particular plane. The 50 degrees was not going to be a good thing, and they couldn't see shit. So they had to divert to LAX. Now air traffic controls, they were speaking with the flight the whole time. They were trying to tell them where to go, telling them what altitude they should be at. Yeah. And at 3.23 a.m., they gave them the clearance to land at Los Angeles International Airport. Now, 3.33 a.m., the fog was all the way in the Turnbull Canyon.

And it was very hard to see the actual canyon through it. Now, people in the area said they were woken out of a dead sleep at around 3.30 a.m. because the plane was so low and so loud. They said they felt like a plane literally like flew directly over there. That's scary. Which planes so loud. The shit out of me.

Yeah, you're not allowed. Low planes. Fuck that. Yeah. Like if I woke up to that, I have had so many horrible dreams about watching a plane crash. Not being in a plane crash, I've had those two. But I have this weird reoccurring nightmare of watching a plane crash. And like not being able to do anything about it. And it's like a very stressful dream. Dream interpreters. Remember when that happened to my mom? Can you tell me? I do

remember that. Maybe that's fine. Maybe it's like secondary like. Wow, that's weird. Yeah. She like actually like witnessed a plane crash and the aircraft in a in a parking lot while she was at work. I remember when that happened. And she saw like she saw everything. Yeah. And that's maybe that's why she so fucked up. I don't know. It was before that. That was pretty that was gnarly though. Yeah, I don't fuck you up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the thing. I've had this weird, like, reoccurring dream. So dream interpreters out there.

Can you tell me what that means? Am I stressed? I think. Do I have control issues? Yes. Well, that's not even a question. I was literally just going to say it probably has something to do with your control issues.

And can you tell Ash to relate to me because I'm not on social media right now? You know how many people I've been tweeting at me? Like show this to a lot of that, thanks guys. I love that too, but I'm like, I'm gonna come back on. I just like, honestly, I recommend it to everybody. Just taking a little break from like the constant scrolling and just constant like news and stuff.

It's been kind of nice to not be aware. Just live in the moment. Anything. And I think I was like too busy, I was doing the busy scroll a lot. That was getting to me because I'd be like doing a puzzle with like my daughters and randomly just like scroll. And I'm like, what am I doing? You pay attention to what you're with your kid.

Yeah, so it's been nice. I just recommend you. I'm like, regardless, thank you so much. You're welcome. But it just like feels nice to be more present, I think. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I recommend it to anybody. Like a free bird now.

Yeah. Give it a few weeks and it's nice. It's a nice feeling. There's a little. And I'm going to be so excited when I come back. I'm going to be like, guys, what happened? You know, it's not a nice feeling. What?

Hearing a plane go by your own. No, it's not. And also, quick little mention, I really wanted to say a Hamilton quote and be like, what a miss. Oh my gosh. I couldn't let that go. So yeah, everybody woke up at 3.30 and they were like, there's a fucking plane right there.

Just scrape in the roof of my house. What is going on right now? I'm picturing like the windows in my bedroom and just seeing a plane like fly by them. And like the window shaking and they said it felt like it was like, whoosh, like right over. And they, but of course, when that happens, what are you gonna do?

Especially, didn't you say it was at 3am? Yeah, like 3.30am, you're not gonna wake up and be like, I must call someone, you're gonna be like, that was weird. And then you're gonna go back to sleep. You're probably gonna think that you were like, dreamy. Exactly.

So it was around this time also, around 3.30am, that they lost contact with the flight, with the flight, with the flight shit. What is it called? Everybody air control, air traffic control. That's what it's called. They lost contact with them. It's a major job.

The radar lost them. The radio went dead. So now they don't know where they are. They shit freaks me out like nothing. I don't like that. So residents in the area also said they heard what they described as a bomb going off shortly after that. Phenomenal.

But again, what are you gonna do? It's just like one of those things that you're like, did I hear that? Like how many times do you hear something weird outside in the middle of the night that you're like, did, what was I gonna say? I feel like, I mean, I live near the woods, so I'll hear like gunshots and shit sometimes. That's my thing. It's probably just people hunting.

Well, and you're like, it's either hunting, is it fireworks? It could be, yeah, it could be anything. You're automatically gonna convince yourself, like, I don't know what that was. It's fine, so I'm just going to sleep. So it doesn't involve me, you know, the bystander. Well, exactly.

So the crash wasn't discovered until, I think, I'm gonna be able to do it. I'm gonna be able to do it. Well, exactly. Well, exactly. So the crash wasn't discovered until after 10 a.m. the next day. Because the fog also took a while to clear, and it was only then that the black smoke rising from the crash site in the canyon could be spotted by farmers in the area. Oh. And that's when it was reported. That's really scary. Now what happened was the landing gear was down

because they were trying to initially land in Burbank and they had put the landing gear down, they had gone down to 6,000 feet, they were getting ready to go. Well, the landing gear was still down and they had drifted to 980 feet. So that's really low. That's super low.

And one wheel had, and they were in the canyon, and he couldn't see. He didn't know that he was a canyon. He didn't even know he was in there. So one wheel caught the side of the canyon, and the second wheel hit the other side, and then it spun the plane out of control. As it lurched to the side,

the wing caught the side of the hill, and it went nose down into the earth and exploded on impact. Oh my God. So people said that when they looked out at the rising smoke, they could see in the canyon and it goes down into the earth and exploded on impact. Oh my God. So people said that when they looked out at the rising smoke, they could see in the canyon in the hills, like a dark gash where the wing had cut across the canyon,

which to me, doesn't that just give you the willies? Like that just feels like it's like a laceration in the earth. It's so ominous. Like somebody took a knife and cut the earth You know, that's just an investigator on scene said quote everybody on board died on impact or in the inferno that followed I wish he just ended it down and that you don't need to know that But the reports said that Captain Powell must have thought he was approaching Los Angeles International Airport because his landing gear should have been back up. They said if they weren't down there,

if they weren't down when he was in that canyon, landing gear, that there is a chance that he would have made it through, but he was still very low in that canyon. He was actually like something like, he was 10 or 20 feet below what they had told him he could go. His lowest point. What? I wonder why he went that low. Nobody knows why he went that low.

So reports suggested immediately that heart failure may have been what happened. Okay. I mean, he did just have a heart attack a month ago. But an investigation later showed that it was just bad decision making. Yeah. Unfortunately, he went way below that altitude clearance and they think that he was trying to see under the fog line. I mean, so he was going on there to try to see, but he wasn't realizing that he was

in a canyon, and that if he wasn't in a canyon, maybe he would have been okay, but it just was like a bad, a poor decision, and then also just a lot of other factors coming together to really shit on this. All the elements are against you. But apparently he had invested in this as crazy. Apparently like a couple years, or three years before this crash, this pilot had actually invented this navigation tool

that would aid people in seeing in conditions like this. But when he brought it to the airline in the Aeronautics Commission, they just ignored it. What? And they said, if he had been able to go through with this and make it a mass-marketed thing, it probably, it might have helped. Wow.

It might have helped him see where he was going. And there's this, like, I think in that video that we'll post, you'll be able to see it. They posted a photo of his wife and his two sons, and they are holding the plans, like the schematics of the invention that he had. And it's like, oh my god. Like, in what irony? Yes.

It's crazy. And the airline that ran his airline was Robin Airlines, and after this, they grounded all their planes with over 40 violations. So they were also not doing their due diligence at all. So this is just like a bunch. It feels like a cursed flight. It does. Which ended in a cursed place.

That scares me a lot. The photos of this are like truly horrific. And it's true. Look at them. I mean, yeah, like the crash site photos that come up. I'm surprised you looked at that. Well, I know because I'm definitely afraid of flying. Yeah.

It doesn't help. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. But it's said that the passengers' bodies, some of them were literally embedded into the hillside because of how hard it hit that hillside. And there's a photo where you can see a passenger throne across the hillside still strapped into their seat.

Thank you so much for that visual. It's really messed up. So this place, I mean that event alone would curse any place. Would be a perfect recipe for haunting. Right. For sure. That's nuts. Now there's also something weird right around the corner from Turnbull Canyon. That could also be affecting this. It's a cemetery that was turned into a park. They didn't.

Yep, so Founder's Memorial Park is about a little less than a mile away from Turnbull Canyon entrance. They're really close. And apparently, this was once three different cemeteries. Whittier cemetery, Mount Olive Cemetery, and Broadway Cemetery, and is now Founders Memorial Park. So in the Great Depression era, they had gone, these cemeteries had kind of gotten like dilapidated and went into disrepair,

and they were kind of neglected and basically abandoned. So in 1968, the city of Wittier was like, well, let's make a park. Why would you make a park there? Well, so they were like, okay, we'll remove the gravestones. They said they were going to relocate the bodies. But they did direct two statues in this park that list the 2,380 people who were once buried

in these cemeteries. But most people don't think those bodies were ever moved. And some people in the area who were around the area at that time said, we never saw any kind of like project of moving those bodies. Yeah. So people think they are just, that they just removed the grave stones and made a park. That's fucked. People say fog sometimes will only sit in that park and nowhere else.

That is so scary. And then animals die there a lot. Oh my god. They find dead animals a lot. Isn't that strange? Yeah, that's real weird. So then there's gravity hill in turn both sides. Yeah, what is that?

So gravity hills are found in a lot of places. Like we've mentioned a few of them in some of the weird places that we've mentioned. They're basically is one where your car will travel uphill without using the gas. Oh, okay. It's like an optical illusion kind of thing and like a weird, trippy situation, but they have one here.

And there's one that apparently people also when they're going up the hill without the gas and you're freaking out, that you'll also hear knocking sounds on your car and kids laughing or crying when it happens. No! I'm all good for that. So I don't want to do that.

So now let's end on the murders. Oh. Because there are recent murders in this place. Recent? October 12th, 2002. H-What? This is horrific. 17-year-old Gloria Linda Gaxiola was shot in the head on Trump- uh,

term bull- Canyon Road, sorry. Her body was then dragged four miles in a car, like next to a car, in Haseyeda, to Haseyeda Heights, where her body was found in the road. Now, five years went by and no one knew what happened. Who did this? Nothing. And then a witness came forward five years went by and no one knew what happened. Who did this? Nothing. And then a witness came forward five years later and said, Abraham, Akuna, Matthew Garcia, and Victor Hmong killed her. Why? She was friends with them.

She had apparently known about her witness to robbery that they had committed, and they were scared she was going to rad on them and they were career criminals. They had a lot of strikes against them so they were going to get life in prison if they went to jail. So they planned to take her out of the equation and this is how they decided to do it. Luckily, they were arrested in 2008 and Meng was sentenced to 85 years in prison, Garcia to 80 years in Akuna to 55. Good. Still not enough for doing that. But 17 years old, right? And she was like beautiful.

That's awful. Shot in the head in the car and then pushed out of the car and dragged four miles because apparently her foot was caught in the seatbelt. Are you kidding me? Yeah. And they just pushed her into the middle of the road. So then Tuesday, August 4, 2009, this one is like, get ready.

Christina Martinez, this isn't a murder, this isn't attempted murder. This is a survival tale. Well, I love that. She was 20 years old, Christina Martinez. She was a mother of a one year old boy. She miraculously survived after being left for dead in the Turnbull Canyon. She was at a party that night and she was with her boyfriend at the time in some acquaintances. Now these

acquaintances were Vincent Edward and Jose, who was known as Mike. According to this article I read, that's really amazing. Definitely go read it, I'll link it. It was called The Girl Who Wouldn't Die, and it was on the week, and it's by Erica Hayasaki. She was taken for a ride home with these three acquaintances, and her boyfriend was going to be staying back at the party. And she knew these guys, she had hung out with them before, so it wasn't anything crazy.

It wasn't weird, these weren't like random dudes. She was like, I trust them, I'm going to go home. these guys, she had hung out with them before. So it wasn't anything crazy. It wasn't weird. These weren't like random dudes. She was like, I trust them. I'm gonna go home. And apparently at one point, they were like, gonna stop at a beach and just kinda like hang out on the beach and like smoke weed. Like they were like, let's do that.

That's pretty typical. It's California. She was like, yeah, like I'm down. So she was like, yeah, like we'll do that and then I'll go home. So then they start driving. And it was one of those situations where all of a sudden they're going in a weird direction. She's like, this is not the beginning.

And she starts asking questions and she's like, where are you going? And they're just ignoring her. And eventually the driver who was Mike said to one of the others, tie her hands. Yeah. And she was like, what the fuck? So she looks next to her. And whoever, whichever one of those dudes was next to her had rope.

And she was like, what the fuck? What are you doing? And it like held her down and tied her wrists. So apparently the only thing that they can look back on with this to like be a, and I'll get into the whole thing in a second, but the, because she at the time was like, what the fuck is going on? Like, what's happening?

Apparently she had recently had a little disagreement with her boyfriend and these men were witness to it. And it was like this word of this disagreement in front of these people got back to the father of her child. And he had heard, it was like a group, kind of a game of telephone. And he got the idea that Mike, this guy Mike, who's in the car, driving the car,

had actually like beaten Christine. So he was gonna, he was pissed, and he was like, I'm gonna like kill this guy. Like, you're getting me. That's nice that he was like, yeah, so, again, television style came all the way back back to Mike, and he thought Christine had put a hit on him.

Oh, shit. Like this all came out that like like he had thought Christine had told on like told this, made up a story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was all just bad communication and just bullshit. Right. So this was just revenge. Like Mike was like, I'm gonna take you out now.

So apparently after she was tied up, they took her, they were taking her into the canyon in the car in the pitch black in the middle of the night. So then they took a syringe, two syringes, excuse me, and stabbed her in the neck. With what? And they stabbed her up to five times, injecting something into her neck,

each time that they put it into her neck. I'm sorry, how many times do you say that? Five times. What the fuck? And they think that what they did was, they think it was insulin, that they shot into her neck, that will make you violently sick. What? And they were literally five times, they were stabbing her in the neck with a syringe and

injecting her with shit. Like that is, that's f**k! And she said she immediately got hot and nauseous and was like- She couldn't understand where she was, it was like terrible. And according to the Whittier Daily News, she said quote- She felt a quote- Russia of heat and then choking and coughing and struggling to breathe as she became nauseous. Like gosh.

They then dragged her out of the car and into the canyon, to an embankment and threw her to the ground, severely beat her in the head and ribs. Mike then took a rock and beat her in the head until she lost consciousness. She said she gained consciousness slowly while she was being carried by them all. And then she felt herself being hurled off a 20 foot cliff. This is like Mary Vincent. Yes. She then sat up on her knees somehow when she landed.

She said she just rolled over and got on her knees and she could barely understand what was happening. Wow. Mike followed her down into the cliff and he became behind her and then slashed her throat deeply several times, quote, using a back and forth motion. Oh my god. He was sawing her throat.

Oh, all the while she testified against them, by the way. What a task. She testified that he was saying the whole time, just let it happen. Just let it happen. No, fuck you. She sustained a four inch laceration across her neck and numerous abrasions and head contusions. They said, my Lord, she managed to say something like pleading or like she was saying something

like I can't I bleeding or something like when they were walking back up the the cliff. Yeah. And one of them noticed and said she's still talking. So one of the other ones came down and stabbed her twice, two times more in the neck. Oh, Mike. She waited for them to get in the car and squeal away. She climbed out of the canyon. And she, before she did this, she took her shirt off and tied it around her neck to stop

the bleeding. So she's like disoriented for being injected with insulin. She's got no shoes. She's slashed in the throat. How many times? Yeah. Stabashed in the throat. How many times stabbed in the throat? How many times? And now she ties a shirt around her neck and is climbing up a canyon.

And she was beaten in the head with a rock and like punched and kicked. Something could have this woman of metal. She made her way to 90 year old woman, Arlene boat writes home. Arlene was probably like, what the hell? She shows up on her door with the shirt to hide around her neck,

like bleeding profusely, her head is gaving open. Helping open and she's like, ugh. And she called 911 and got help and she survived. Wow, what a fantastic. And she testified at the trial. Hell yeah. I wonder how stupid he felt when he realized

that she hadn't actually done that. Oh yeah. So Vincent Edward and Jose were found guilty of kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, and conspiracy to commit murder. Yeah. So Vincent Edward and Jose were found guilty of kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder, received a 39 year sentence. It's not very long. No, it's not very long.

But you know how we feel about attempted murder. Exactly. So that one's crazy. Wow. And then March 3rd, 2011, the Whittier Daily News said that an unidentified woman was found dead in the canyon. She had been there for at least a week. Her left arm was cut off.

She had had some trauma to her head. She was barefoot and wearing just like dark clothing and that's it. She was discovered by someone just looking into the canyon. You think you're going out for a nice day? Just giving a little gaze into the canyon. And you see that. Oh my. It was determined that she was murdered in place there.

And later, it was determined that she had died of a gunshot wound at head. That's terrifying. After about a month, she was finally identified through dental records as Claudia Takutzen, who was 41 years old. During this search, by the way, they found another human arm that they don't think was hurts.

Oh, in the canyon. Already then. So in February 2017, after like six years of not knowing who did this to her, her boyfriend, Francisco Nila Rojas was charged with her murder and dumping her body. Wow. He had fled the country five days after the murder, but was extradited back to face charges. She had been murdered on February 18, 2011. He had stolen money from her bank accounts before and after the murder. What a shit statement. He also that they had a Ford Explorer and when they looked into it

because it was they both owned it. Yeah. When they were able to search it it had her blood in it. Oh wow. And the car's passenger floor had bleach. Oh so he clearly turned it away with it. He had also bought a gun on February 12th which was only a few days before the murder. To really? And the same gun was tested and the bullets were consistent with the ones that she was shot with. And on the 28th of February 2017, he was sentenced to 50 years to life in prison for first degree murder. Wow.

Now, several burning bodies have also been discovered on Turnbull Canyon Road and in the canyon itself. Yeah. Several. Yeah. Throughout the years. And in a 2002 interview with the, I think it was with the Whittier Daily News. A lot of them.

They're great. An official from the Los Angeles County Fire Station. He said that Turnbull Canyon Road was a seven mile stretch and had a reputation as quote, a good place to execute people, dump bodies off, and for stolen cars. Yikes. And that's Turnbull Canyon in California. I guess it is, huh?

Wow, it is. Wow, wow, wow. Wow, you wow, wow. That is so much. Yeah. So that is a lot. The most one would say, don't go there. The bus

It's true. What is that? Oh my goodness. You just scared the This is the second time we've jumped during this all right Well, I guess that's a good time to end it. It is with the groceries gotta go Hope you keep it weird. Hope you thank you for sitting around our campfire and being scared shitless with us. Wow Keep listening. We hope we hope you keep it weird. Hope you- Thank you for sitting around our campfire and being scared shitless with us. Wow. Uh, keep listening. Yeah. We hope you keep listening. We hope you keep it weird.

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