Morbid - Episode 360: Dueling Campfire Tales with Jordan from Nighttime Podcast!

Episode Date: September 2, 2022

Join us for a Nighttime Podcast/ Morbid crossover episode with our great Canadian pal, Jordan! We have a little campfire round robin where we tell tales of spooky cryptids, treasure hunts and poltergeists! Jordan brings us Canadian tales, we bring him the American ones and it’s a grand ol’ time. Check out The Nighttime Podcast if you haven’t already and keep your eyes open for another Canadian colab soon :)See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, ordered download the app today. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm Alena. And I'm Jordan. And this is a morbid slash nighttime podcast crossover. Woo. Music Today we have Jordan from Nightime Podcast on the pod. Our Canadian brother in. He's the best.

He's so much fun. We literally sat and talked for like three hours. So we really did it. He's like, spooky shit, cryptid shit. We'll tell you all about it. All kinds of shit. This is going to be a fun episode. We kind of did a spooky campfire tale,

like round robin' where he brought four Canadian tales. They're all very different, not all cryptids. Like there's some cryptids, some paranormal, some just like cool, weird spooky stuff. We did the same thing. And I think it turned out pretty cool. I had so much fun. We laughed a lot, we were spooked out, it was great. It was awesome. We laughed, we cried. We grew closer as people. No, it was wonderful. So if you haven't listened to Nighttime Podcast,

I highly recommend you do so. Jordan is great, his podcast is great and we hope you enjoy it. And look out for another spooky collab soon with Jordan. We're not done with him yet. Never. Thank you, Jordan, from nighttime podcast for joining us. We're so excited. I'm even more excited. I've never met a best-selling author podcast ever before.

This is the truth. I'm gonna melt into my dream. I'm gonna melt into my dream. I'm gonna melt into my dream. I'm gonna melt into my truth. The people listening don't see her shirt that says best selling author podcast. Yeah, that's like you have to call me by that. Yeah, I just maintain this image. It's kind of weird to call to me. Well, it was weird that you made me sign something before I came on here to call you that, but... Yeah, you know, we don't have to talk about that, Jordan.

Oh, shoot, that's right. That was an NDA guy signed, okay. You'll be hearing from our attorneys, okay? Yeah. See, small claims court. Yeah. But thank you. And today, we're gonna be doing something a little different because we decided this would be a fun, like, you know, international collab of sorts.

And we all love weird shit, and we all love cryptids. We all love paranormal. We love ufos, we love ufos. We love all sorts of weird things, isn't it? You start this with this may be a little something different. Do you say that every episode? Like when I look at what you all do, it's like every week I'm like, whoa.

It's always different. I know, I feel like we've been doing that lately, actually. Yeah, we're in a place of testing, like testing some new stuff. Yes, we recently did a little rebrand, which feels really gross to say, I don't know why. I feel like that's such a weird thing to say. Yeah, but now we're not just true crime. We're like everything. Yeah, we kind of took out the true crime podcast.

Everything morbid. I thought you've always been everything because I feel when I first stand on the show, I believe it was a paranormal story. But regardless, it's good. I think everyone listening needs more of you both. So if we can spread you around all the different topics, everyone listening needs more of you both. So if we can spread you around all the different topics, maybe like some baking kind of stuff, press a pin. I love to do that. Do you need tips?

A lifestyle brand is what we become. Oh, imagine. Ash and I would be interested. Well, that would be interesting. That would be very interesting to be a lifestyle. I don't know which one, but certainly not a brand. That's for sure. Well, we'll save that for another time. we've always kind of like done paranormal stuff and I always

wanted to do more cryptids and like weird shit like that, but I was like, I don't know if it's like, string too far away from true crime, but people seem to like them. So it works out. We do it. And now we have so many episodes a week that we're like, we can do everything now. But I think that's good for everyone because I've always found if I have an episode that's really dark and heavy, I need something a little more fun and light to, you know, to just kind of reset me.

And if you look at the back episodes of my show, you'll kind of see when like, I'm at a point where it's like, oh man, Jordan needs a break. It's like this episode is about a talking parrot. The next one is about a UFO sighting where you interview like an old fisherman and you know that's the sign that I needed a little time off. That's exactly us too. Like this is actually going to be following up I think Gerard Schaeffer and the Club Kid Murder. And the Club Kid Murder is which are two gnarly cases,

like very dark, very, very dark. Yeah. So this is kind of a perfect little palette cleanser to zoom right in something else horrible. Yeah. There's still be like a hug with someone going, it's all right, it's all right. Yeah, exactly.

Someone's saying just look at the big foot over there. Check it out. Just be one with the big foot over there. That said though, some of these stories are freaky. So I think some people make question reality and their safety when in the woods after listening to this. Very true. Which we're always ones to be like, don't go in the woods. Just stay out here. Staying where it's light out. Yeah. Did you did either of you grow up near the woods? Like you actually. Yeah. Cause

we're we're like right in the middle of the bridge water triangle. So we're surrounded by like the Haka Moxwamp and like all this woodlands and so it's always been around like I my house growing up was

completely surrounded by like a very long stretch of woods in every direction. So it's always freaked me out. And we grew up going to like the Berkshires, which is just all woods and mountains and stuff. So. Okay. So was it like the woods that would be near your home or near your area when you grew up with this?

Be kind of dangerous woods where you couldn't go too deep into it, but maybe you've explored sometimes. Yeah, I would say so. The ones that behind the house we used to, me and my used to go in bare hunts. Yeah. Are you serious? I never found a bear, but it was kind of just like a fun thing to do when I was little.

Like, maybe we'll find a bear and die. That'd be fun. You're great. When you say bear hunt, like, were you prepared? Like, you just have a gun and stuff? Or are you just like, we're gonna... I mean, what would happen if you found a bear? No, my friend was like a hippie who like protested

to be at Namwar, so we didn't have any guns. So she was just gonna have like a quiet discussion with it, I think, if she ran into it, we would not dare just loaded with vibes. You just had like, she had like a ukulele over her shoulder, you know what? A flower crown. If you found a bear, Elena and I would be probably

here discussing your dark story. That's true. That's true. That is very true. What were they doing looking for a pair? Why were they out there with a ukulele, the tragic ending of my mother and sister? Those two beautiful people wandering into the woods to look for a bear on arm simply with vibes. Minus the very optimistic bear hunting. I had a similar kind of area growing up. I had like right behind my house was the forest

and the very beginnings of it is like we're me and all my friends, you know, would build cabins and explore and you know all that sort of stuff. But as it got deeper, you know, there was a lot of kind of, just mysterious sounds and odd things that went on in there. So I think I've always grown up with like a healthy fear, but also a healthy obsession and fascination with the weird things that happen in the woods.

I've always found there like a magical place because you can really leave the world behind and go into the wild just by walking into the woods. And where I grew up in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada, it's, we don't have a lot of, like, it would be rare to see a bear, like what you would most likely encounter that would really be dangerous,

other than a crazy person, would be like a coyote or something. Yeah, the worst monsters. But, you know, we have like coyotes and stuff, but that'd be about as dangerous as it would get, I guess. That's kind of here too. And that's what we would do. It was like the little, like the perimeter of the woods was always like,

oh, we're gonna make like a witch's den. And like a witch altar for doing nothing when I was like seven. But, and we were like, oh, it's so spooky. But if you wandered a little further and it was like, okay, we might die in here. Yeah, there's something in there. It's definitely either leg. It's a healthy respect.

Yeah. I hope the respect for how scary it is. And that like you said, I think it's so scary because the further you get in, the more untouched by humans it is. So you're like, what is out here? It's almost like the bottom of the ocean. Yeah. Like nothing can get down there.

So like, what is down? Like, whatever's down there needs to where nothing can get down there. So like, what is down, like whatever's down there needs to have adapted to being down there. And it's kind of like the further into the woods, it had to adapt to be farther into the woods. And what the hell is it? Yes, here's actually, I heard someone,

there was a singer that, I can't remember where I heard this, but they were talking about like, if they had three wishes, what they would wish for. And one of them, one of the wishes they said, I really enjoyed their idea was just for a couple days to have the oceans and the ice caps Around the world lifted up so they could kind of go down You know at the bottom of the motorbike or whatever and just explore and just the idea

It would be amazing to do at the bottom of the ocean like what you can find under there And I just imagine finding some carving or something and being like, what the carving stone at the bottom. Oh, it makes me crazy that we can't see the bottom of the ocean. It makes me crazy. Someday somebody will invent something and we'll be able to. I mean, I don't want to do that.

I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that.

I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do of all the droughts, because global warming. And one of the lakes completely dried up, and there was dinosaur footprints going across the entire huge dinosaur. And people were just swimming in this huge mass of dinosaur footprints underneath them, not knowing. That's why I feel like, have you ever gone swimming and you're just like, you just get this weird eerie sense of, what is underneath me? Yeah, I think that's why I think our bodies

can sense that there's something. Yep. There's like hundreds of thousands of years of mystery. Yeah. Yeah, waiting to be uncovered and of course as time passes and in cities and civilizations get kind of swallowed up on the ocean. You know, they're gonna leave some remnants under there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But getting back to the woods that I've always loved stories set in the woods. Do either of you like I know we all brought a few stories to the table. Do either of you have a story that's set in the forest and threw on the topic? I have a couple actually most of mine are in the woods. Really? And a couple of minor. Was that

it was that intentional? No. Yeah, and actually wasn't. I'm always drawn though to like weird woods things. I was always something that catches my interest when I see it. Yeah, I was mostly just drawn to the names of mine. And you sure were too. Will also just law along with me. Asher was naming when she would find one and be like, oh, this is it. I'd be like, I'm doing this simply because of what it's named. It was her grace.

That's a good way to do it. Just like, you know, when you're thinking about back in like the 80s and 90s or whatever, when you're picking out a movie at the movie story, you just look at cover. And you're like, that's an amazing cover. I'm gonna watch that. Because then you watch the worst movie ever.

And you're like, the cover wasn't even in the movie. Like, what is this? That's what amazing cover. I'm gonna watch that. And you watch the worst movie. I mean, the cover wasn't even in the movie. What is this? Let's find out what you're doing. Let's find out what you're doing. Yeah, let's do that. It's ruined. Who wants to start with one of these? Let's get into this.

You're gonna do it, dude. I'll start with something called the Dark Watchers. And these are found in California. So we don't have to worry about these. Awesome. But our brother and across the country do. So these are seen in the St. Lucia Mountains of California. They've been seen and reported for over 300 years.

Whoa. I'm always astounded when it's like that far back that there's reports or any kind of witness sightings of these things because I'm like, the one is, I'm also astounded that they've been, they've been seen that far back and I've never heard of them. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. These, so basically the St. Lucia mountains go from Carmel to the Cayama River in St. Louis of Bizbo County. So anywhere along there, you could find yourself staring up at the mountains and seeing one of these guys. Awesome. I think you don't want to, but it's unclear. No one's been torn apart by one of these guys

or something like that, but they're ominous. But it just comes down to personal preference. Pretty much. If there's 300 years of reports, though, then a lot of people survived. I take them exactly. I will see one. I will. I will not be the first to go. There are some little legends here and there though that say if you see one and it looks back at you and you like have a moment that you could vanish. Okay. So, my personal preference is nah. Like, it's just really what your risk level is.

Like, if you're just a risk taker, then give it a shot. Oh, yeah. But you're going a risk taker, then give it a shot. Oh, yeah, that you're going to live to tell the tale. Yeah. So charge at it with a ukulele. Yeah, exactly. And your vibes were here for a good time, not a long time. Let's go hang out with the dark watcher. Let's do it. So you're probably wondering what you're going to see when you look up.

Sure. And see a dark watcher. And this will probably help you understand whether you wanna just have a moment them or not. So, sometimes you're gonna see them in the afternoon, like late afternoon or the early twilight hours. That's when they really like to hang up there. You know you're gonna be seeing a dark watcher

if you suddenly have this like really uneasy feeling of being watched. And it's not one of those like, oh, I feel like somebody around you're just like, okay, where is this person that's staring at me? It's like a really intense feeling. And they say that they can't, people say they cannot ignore it once it starts.

And when you look around for someone to blame it on, that's when you see them. They're gonna be standing on the ridges overlooking California on the mountain top. And they're super tall. Some say they can reach up to like 15 feet tall. No, thank you. Yeah, very tall, like very slender, kind of gangly, little slender man vibe. I was just gonna say though, but they always wear all black. They're always wearing like black cloaks,

which like maybe think like Jack the Rippery because they also wear big hats. Oh, oh, I kind of love how theatrical they sound though. Yeah, they make an entrance. That's what's nice about them is they don't just like blend into the background. They're wearing big wide brimmed hats to like, like, like, a children of the Cornesque. Exactly. Or like, this, like a supreme

on American Horror Story Cup in. Wait, so, either one will do. In the highlight tie or the supreme. They have no facial features that you can really see, because you can't really get close to them. So it's just all blackness. And generally, they're holding a stick of some sort. But again, it's all shadowy, so you can't tell if it's a stick,

if it's like some worse, a ukulele, an umbrella, perhaps, who knows? I don't know. I've never seen one. And they just stare at you. They just stare out over the mountains and they'll vibe with you in this like weird, terrifying way. And then again, if you try to approach them, you might vanish. But who knows? Because those people that vanish can't tell us. So, I'm not sure. People think they might be other worldly entities that are here to just stock travelers. Like just watch them, make sure they don't encroach on any of their business or their mountains.

They don't know if they feel some kind of ownership over these mountain ranges. Who knows. But it's believed they have like super hearing and super sight. So if you talk shit, well, in the presence of one, even if they're standing up on a mountain ridge, they're probably gonna hear you. That's a power move. That is a power move.

So don't do it. Don't talk shit about them if they're out there. No. I like this kind of story though, because this could go in so many different directions. Like it could be, you know, like a supernatural force that's up there watching people for any imaginable number of reasons, but it could also just be like a bizarre cult that lives in this mountain range. Exactly. That keeps a distance because they want to see what you're doing,

but they don't want you to know what they're up to. Exactly. I like the latter. I like that too. I love a cult moment. And it could be that. Who knows? Because no one's really run into one. And honestly, it makes me think a cult or an actual humanoid person is responsible for this, because there's also, I was gonna get to it later, but if you leave a little offering for them

of anything like food or anything else, sometimes they'll leave flowers back. Well, that's probably. Yeah. But I'm like, are they a live flowers or dead flowers? Because that tells a different story. I feel like, what if 10 flowers is just their love language? Everybody has a different one. Okay. And then we're all black. So they're a bit macabre. They're like, Oh, this is my love. Yeah. they're flowers. They're just flowers. Yeah, just a random goths in the middle. It's kind of a bit of a, I think the idea of them leaving flowers and stuff, that's got a bit of like bluer witch vibes to it. Yeah.

But it kind of implies some kind of kindness, like whether you're leaving something, dead flowers are living flowers. It's, I'd rather them be leaving something than, you know, following me staring at me. Exactly. And not leaving like my friends eyeballs and tongue for me. Like that's at least. You're missing, friend. Yeah, at least you can.

Exactly. I'll take that over that. Well, and maybe that's why people vanish because maybe they're so kind once you get up there and that like you join the cult. And you're just like, wow, these are my friends who knew. There you go. You've joined a cult. Yeah, that's how it happens.

It's that easy. That easy. You just leave them something. They leave you a flower and you're like, I'm in. All right, I am. I am. I think it's like maybe a cult of ecological activists. This is their way of guarding the mountains.

Maybe they're leaving you a little off-bring if they're ecological kind of activists, so we're kind of leaving like a maybe local flowers from the area would be something of value and I think they're hiding out all dressed in black wearing the same outfits to kind of just to create a look of Unity among the the cultists. That's what I think is happening. We've cracked the piece. I was just going to say, did we just figure this out? I think Jordan just figured it out.

Yeah, so everyone can move on. Yeah, there's just so much. I think the mystery in the question is, is it a cult or is it like a family who for generations have felt a need to guard the mountains and each child is grown up to serve the job as a watcher? Very wrong turn. We're gonna write fanfic about this. I think we are all right. We are in the middle of the first book of fanfic. That's amazing.

I just love the idea of a family of tall gods. That just like love the mountain. I'm gonna keep it. I love that. That's just amazing. I just love the idea of a family of tall gods that just like love the mountain. I'm going to keep it. I love that. That's very pure. I want to work on a short story where one of them decide to leave the family and go down the mountain into the city, shedding the black cloak. Shedding it.

This is beautiful. I love that. I love that. It happens when we put our heads together. Yeah. And they enroll in a high school and they meet the other gods, which is like a natural fit. But they're different kind of gods. So it's one of them is actually a vampire.

Oh, there you go. This is such fanficly. We've got this. I think we should just end the episode here and go write some fan book. We've got some stuff to do. We got to bring this to Tumblr. Yeah. We're busy. To get some Deviant art up in here. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, no, I think we got it.

I don't know. I think we solved the mystery and we will bring the mystery forward in a series of FanFick that will publish on Tumblr. There we go, love. I love it. I love this. I got a story set in the woods for you.

Ooh. Ooh. In the Canadian woods, too. So we're going to go so we're gonna go, we're gonna head north a bit from where yours was set. The best kind of woods. I've always loved Bigfoot and Sasquatch stories. Me too.

I know people will roll their eyes when they hear those words Bigfoot and Sasquatch because it's kind of like a bit of a cliche, these kind of stories, but sometimes they have evidence. And I actually, I'm going to combine sort of two stories that are both ones I covered on nighttime. They're not well-known Canadian bigfoot Sasquatch stories, but people who are into that scene in Canada would probably be familiar with both of these. The reason I'm

deciding to kind of tell the two is you had just talked about the story of the watchers having like a 300 year history. One thing I often do on my show is I'll just put a call out to my listeners. If you've had something strange happened to you or a bizarre story, let me know and we'll talk about it. One of the episodes that came out of a response to that call out was this guy wrote me from Nova Scotia, from Pico, Pico is an area of Nova Scotia. And he said, it sounds silly, but I actually saw a sawscotch when I was in high school. And his story was him and his high school running team were doing these things called Hill Sprints, which is

basically the track team would go into the woods with their coach and would just run up hills and then run down hills. That sounds so fun, which is so great. Yeah, well, it's, if energy wasn't a thing that depleted in your body, it would maybe be fun because you'd be grabbing your precious and the twigs and pulling yourself up the hill. But in this guy's story, he told me that during these hill sprints, many members of the track team, including the coach who was one of the teachers, saw what they believed to be a Sasquatch.

And I said, like, since there's a bunch of people like in on the story that saw, like, you know, that's reputable, I'll cover it. So I had him on my show and he told the story, but what was really interesting is we did the episode, I was a boat to publish it, and one of the last things that happened was, I was writing online that I was doing a story about a big foot siding in Pico, and one of my other listeners was trying to help me do a bit of research by looking for other stories in the area, and what they ended up stumbling upon was a newspaper article set in the same town.

It's a defunct newspaper that doesn't exist anymore that described like an almost identical situation as the guy I talked to described having happened to about a hundred years earlier, in the article referenced prior events happening in that same area within an unidentified beast in the woods. And so immediately it went from this fun little story to like, whoa, like this town has a long history. It's an actual thing, something that's happening in here. His actual story was simply that they were running up the hill

and as they were running up the hill and As they were doing these hillsprints something just kind of came out of the bush They couldn't get a look at it because it was just kind of like a dark presence within this bush and Screamed at them and they continued to run up the hill Yeah Maybe he was trying to sleep and they were causing a ruckus running up their hill Yeah, but I think in that particular story what really hit me was just this Maybe he was trying to sleep and they were causing a ruckus. Running up their hill, yeah. But I think in that particular story, what really hit me was just this history. But anyway, that was just kind of a sidebar to the story I actually want to tell you about.

So this has legs? Yeah. That's great. So I think what this is going to show you is that Canada has a big foot, a big foot presence. Not a problem, not presence. Maybe a problem. Is it a problem? You'll be the judge in a minute because this is a sighting that has evidence in the evidence

is quite chilling. I always want to think of big foot as like the sweet kind gentleman. We were just talking about it before we signed on. We were like, why is everybody so mad at bigfoot? And I guess we're about to find out. Oh man. Okay, so imagine this. There's a fella named Geno Mekis.

It's the evening of October 3rd, 2019. He's in Northwestern Ontario, very remote forest. He's actually hunting. He's about 50 kilometers Ontario, very remote forest. He's actually hunting. He's about 50 kilometers from the nearest community. So we're talking like the absolute middle of nowhere. And Gino is a lifelong hunter, very comfortable in the woods. He considered himself, when I spoke to him,

he says, I consider myself a tracker. I can see, you know, footprints and follow the animals the animals like he's that like that level of hunter and He's in the woods with his wife and his young grandchild I believe a two-year-old was with them and which is you know, that's a choice when you're going hunting But these are exactly what I was just thinking and I almost said the words exactly. I was like, that's a choice. Yeah, but these are like lifelong hunters from a community and like a culture of lifelong hunters. So he's out there and they go throughout the day,

they believe he told me they were hunting for crowds, which I may be pronouncing wrong, but it's a type of bird. But regardless, they're wrapping up, they're hunting for the day, and they're traveling back to their vehicle. And that's kind of when this video slash audio, I'm gonna play you takes place.

As they're walking back, he told me they had, they could smell something really obscene, something that stood out as very stinky. That was the first sign. One of those two will be too. Yeah, now, that was the first sign, something weird those two will be two. Yeah, now that was the first sign something weird was happening. The next is complete silence in the woods. No more birds chirping or whatever you would hear.

No more anything. Just complete silence. And then what he starts to hear is the sound of something unlike anything he's ever heard before, screaming or crying out or just simply roaring. Again, I back this story up a lot by describing how comfortable and confident and experienced he is in the woods. He's like, this is unlike anything I've ever heard as such, he hits record on his phone phone and this is what he records and now you tell me

you tell me if this is anything other than a GD Sasquatch. That's just right out. That looks so nice. Oh, I'll say a little dude. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad.

I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I keep picturing this giant bigfoot like stubbing his toe. Oh. That's literally the sounds that I think John makes every time he stops his toe.

I really broke the tension because I was like, feeling some type of leg just then. That is horrifying. That is nightmare. And the poor little baby with those. He was so stressful. Yeah, and yeah, the baby just makes a weird sound.

The genome is like, shh, and you're like, whatever it is, it sounds vicious. And when this is a- The literal. Yeah, and he published a video of it on his YouTube channel. The video is just like the camera posts point towards the trees, but you can hear it. In the video, I guess you would say it went viral.

It had millions of views, which got the attention of like a lot of experts with different types of animals. There's been no consensus of what he saw. Some people believe it may have been a bear that was hurt and dying. And that's kind of one idea. I guess when bears are injured and dying, they'll do this kind of death roar. And some people believe that's what he was hearing or possibly an injured wolf or coyote.

But experts have also said, like, no, it certainly isn't that. But one thing I do know for sure is, it's a genuine video and a genuine sound without any kind of editing or anything. Like if you look at this guy's channel, he had a YouTube video, or a YouTube channel for years where it's mainly him playing electric guitar and his bedroom. And then all of a sudden there's this.

And it just sounds authentic. Yeah, because you can tell like whatever it is is like in the distance. Yeah. And that everybody's reacting to it organically. Especially the baby. Yeah, like you can tell it was like upsetting the baby. Mm-hmm. It's sad me.

And then to beef, you know, 50 kilometers from the nearest community. Absolutely. It's like if this thing wants to eat you, it's very little you're going to be able to do about it. I want to believe they don't want to. I think he just stubbed his toe. That's why he was so mad. He stubbed his toe on the corner of his bed and toes it.

I kind of feel like his big foot wife left him. He found out she was stepping out and that was just the cry of anguish. Oh! Yeah, it's more of a like, awning. He's almost saying, no. And there's such misunderstood beasts. Everyone thinks he's so violent, but they can't change it. So even if they're a nice animal who's feeling like a sincere emotion,

they can't help but be like, rawr. Yeah, because they just have those lungs, man. They can't help it. They are who they are. They are who they are. Yeah, it's like when you see, you know, like a big leopard or tiger, like if you look at them from a distance, they just look like a regular cat,

but then when you get a bit close, you're like, ooh, that thing, it messed me up. Yeah, like you would kill me so easily. Like, God, that sound. Wow. It's gonna be a mind, that's gonna be like the sounds of the black hole that John made me listen to,

just haunting my dreams. I checked that out. I checked that out. Oh, I checked that out. It's that. It's very cool. Yeah, and haunting my dreams. I'll lend them to you. I check that out. Oh, I check that out. Yeah. It's that. It's very cool. It sounds like a synthesizer.

It does. It sounds like somebody made it. But I'm like, that's just space. That's just when you get sucked into oblivion. Personally, I don't think we're supposed to be listening to that. I think it's cursed material. Yeah, seriously. Oh, no.

It's kind of like when you find an old book and the basement of the cottage you're writing, and you end up in an evil dead situation. Exactly. And listening to the sound of a black hole is probably the space equivalent of that. Probably. No good's going to come of it. Because they have to raise that frequency up a ton. We're not even supposed to hear that.

There's literally a reason. Yeah. If you mess with frequencies and stuff in audio, you're just you're asking to open up a portal or hear the voice of a ghost and it's 100%. It's not worth it. It's not worth it, but we're all like sounds cool though. Let me hear that. Glad to hear it. Yeah, I will talk to you after you do it. There you go. Yes. You do it. I'll talk to you about it. For real. Yeah. All right, guys, are you ready for me to lighten things up with the white thing? Thing? Literally. I've never seen

the girls Jordan. No, but describing it as the white thing, I think I'm excited for whatever this is. I'm stoked because immediately there's this line and mean girls were this very creepy boys. Like I'd rather see you up there shaking that thing. And then the next friend is like, did you just say thing? And the first thing we thought of, all I could think of, and I was like, I am doing this. The white thing.

The white thing. It's actually a purse. We got very like American things. Mine are so America, it hurts. It's actually a purse. We got very like American things. Mine are so America it hurts. It's so America. So the white thing is from Alabama. And personally, I would like to see the white thing try out for Bama Rush.

There you go. I've seen any of like the Bama Rush stuff going on on TikTok Jordan. I don't know. I'm sure you guys. I think the answer is no. Tick what? No, I don't go on TikTok.

Oh, TikTok is great. It gets personalized for your taste. And that's exactly why I don't go on it. Because it's like it would immediately start showing me someone's steam cleaning a rug and I'd just be like, transfixed. Yep, yes. It'd be three in the morning and they'd be pressure washing

their deck and I go, my God, you got those videos. And they're so satisfying. Exactly. And that's why I can't go on them because it's like it's, it can go right into my soul and be like Jordan, you cannot look away from this. You're staying up late tonight, like it or not. Yeah. It's dirty, rug.

It's very detrimental. It's a dirty rug. All right. Well, we'll move on from TikTok and I'll tell you that most sightings of the Alabama White thing occur in this triangle between Morgan, Etouac, and Jefferson counties. And people have reported sightings in Walnut Grove, Moody's Chapel, Happy Hollow, and Wheeler Wildlife Refuge, just to name a few. Okay. So, a several accounts describe the White thing as being seven to eight feet tall,

covered in this really thick white hair, like almost like a, almost like a Yeti. And other descriptions of the famous creature paint a picture that sounds a little bit more like a lion, a white lion, because sometimes it will walk on all fours, and then other times you'll see it upright. because sometimes it will walk on all fours and then other times you'll see it upright. But among some of the more strange descriptions reported, one, I was just like that's the weirdest of all. It's a tall white creature standing roughly seven feet tall and resembling a kangaroo with the head of a cat.

Oh my, I did not picture that. Yeah, it was not what was in my head. And on top of that, so it's massive. Perhaps it looks like a kangaroo, perhaps a cat. And kangaroos are like jacked. Yeah, kangaroo jack. Kangaroos are really scary. They are, they will kick you in the face,

so be careful. And I think this thing might too, because it's pretty agile. It's like super, super fast. It can run at you, it can run away from you. It can run wherever it wants. Here they're everywhere. And many people say that there's two differing variations of what it sounds like when it makes a noise. Some people feel like it is a woman screaming and other people think it sounds more like a panther. Oh, now he's pretty stinky.

He said to smell like dead animals. And if he's around, you are sure to smell him. And if you spot him, you're gonna know because first of all, you'll smell him coming. And second of all, you will see his glowing red eyes. Ooh, so creepy. Ooh. Now his legend dates all the way back to the 40s.

And here is one experience that I found from Old Man George Norris. I'm obsessed with this already. Somebody reports that Old Man George Norris seen it over there in the graveyard. And he said, it looks like a lion. You know, bushy, but tweaked a dog and a lion. It was white and slick with long hair.

It had a slick tail down on the end of the tail of a big old bush of hair. He lent up against a tree and fell asleep. And when he woke up, the sun was just rising. And the white thing was lying right beside him. It was looking at him. He said it didn't offer to hurt him or nothing. He just wanted to snuggle all of that. Wow. I think wanted to snuggle. Oh, wow. I think he might just be a stinky, huge beast with glowing red eyes that simply wants to snuggle. I also love that it's that it didn't offer to hurt him.

Like, do people often offer? Like, you want me to hurt you? You want me to hurt you? Well, the one thing will not offer to hurt you. You heard it here first. My thing. I guess it here first. My thing. I guess it's good that it offers. It's a, I mean, there you go.

So random. Just one spoon. Well, I'm trying to, like this old man, Norris, or whatever the name was. I'm thinking, I wonder if thing, like that word is coming from his manner of speech. Yeah. But like over there, you know, the way he was talking,

but I just, I feel like thing is still out of place. Yeah, I think they need to rebrand this this beast. No. I would like to know. Would you have would you have picked this story if it was the white thing? No. No, it was the thing for me. Maybe it's smart marketing. I think it is. I think that could be what it comes down to. And it probably is because it was hard to find anything about this because I had to dig through many web pages of like plush toys and trading cards and like all this merch for the white thing. Like like actually merch related to this animal or this. Yeah, you can literally get a plushie of the white thing. It's like the flatlands monster. I'll send you one. Wow. You can have your very own white thing. White thing, you know, just lay next to me.

Yeah. And not even offer it to her. I'm not offered to her. Yeah. And if it does offer, I can choose if I want to be one or not. Yeah, choose your own adventure. Exactly. It's a, this story though, it's this man waking up, waking up

with it in bed with him. He describes it as like it doesn't sound like a wild animal because he's like, didn't he not say it's hair was all slipped back and like it seems like this thing like did itself up before he got bed. This white thing got all dressed up and climbed in bed. I think he was he was looking for for a fella. He got his mojo back and he was ready to try it out. Well, you know, Old Man, George Norris didn't seem to be too scared because he just lent up next to a tree and fell asleep. Yeah.

So, he clearly wasn't threatened by this seven-foot tall, stanky creature. That guy, I need a podcast. He does. I don't know. I don't know if he's still alive anymore. Are you out here, Old Man? I know. When was that? And he was still alive anymore. Are you out here old man? I know when was that when he was old man then If he was less than 40s

Probably not. Yeah, I'm guessing he's not up for hosting a podcast But maybe they didn't Yeah, maybe well We can do a say on make us disrespectful But that we should like it someone like that that's They had radio and stuff back then someone should have interviewed this guy if this somebody my town, like someone like that, that's, they had radio and stuff back then. Someone should have interviewed this guy. If this, somebody in my town had a story like that, no matter what it is, if like, if that stuff exists,

if I was a reporter with a pen and paper, or someone with a microphone, you know, I would interview this guy, or go if that's still right for the ages. Oh yeah, you never let the watch thing just be lost to history. Yeah. Or, well, I guess it isn't lost to history if there's all this reference to it online,

but the true story is certainly obscured by the passage of time. Yeah, it's lost. Lost in translation. So we'll never know if he was looking for a cuddle or to kill. He's deciding. Or both. translation, so we'll never know if he's looking for a cuddle or to kill. Or both, but and then as far as what it actually looks at, what it actually looks like. So the first description was between a kangaroo or a kangaroo with a cat's head, which is kind of nuts, because I guess a kangaroo kind of has a horse's head. So that'd be a weird looking kangaroo. And then old man Norris said it was betwixt,

a dog and a lion. And a lion, okay, so that's. Okay. Which is cat-like. And maybe the lower half of a kangaroo could be somewhat dog-like. Like a dog, like a really jacked dog standing on its sign like.

We also have to think that this was old man Noris. So who then took a nap next to a tree when he first saw it's not a path to the site or choice making skills. Who knows? And this probably wasn't the first wild tail he told. Well, yeah, he's got he's got pockets full of wild tails. I know. But he probably he leaves the host and he ends up seeing some white thing. Oh, for sure. I certainly think him for the white thing. I love old Ben Morris.

We're one out for old man Morris. Seriously. I love the ones that you picked so much. Every time we get to you is going to be in a delight. You're welcome. So my next one is not as hilarious or cute as that. It does have a funny, a funny little element to it. It makes sense though. We're on brand right now. This is called the Banshee of the Badlands.

Yeah, that's so on brand for you. So this is found in South Dakota, where the Badlands is like this very craggie dehydrated stretch of land. It's been described as hell without with the fires out. Oh, so. Oh, it's nice. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Paint you a picture. It's desolate, outrageously hot, but it can also get crazy cold at night. It's one of those places that has like the worst of both.

It can get well over 100 degrees out there and there's basically zero sources of hydration. So great. There's really nothing for us out there. But apparently, there's also actually smoke that just rises up from beneath the ground. And there's no real reason for it. Like there's the possibility that some like hellish underworld is right, but beneath your feet there.

But I think it's just like cold veins that are still smoldering underground probably. I could see that. But it really adds to the the on the aesthetic out there. And there's this place out there called Watchdog Bute, which even locals apparently have a tough time pointing out or finding. It's like this very ominous just place that they know exists. And on Watchdog Bute, there is a straight up banshee. She just hangs out there on the hill

and just flails around looking terrifying, like just stands up there flailing her arms. Like a car wash guy, like the wacky inflatable arm man. Yeah, it is. At Karsa, I don't see Karsa, I see those at like when you're they're selling cars. Exactly, that's like you're right. You're right, it goes down and up,

that's what she's doing all the time. And she has flowing fabrics. So she's very theatrical. Very steamy. Next. Very steamy. It's just steamy next up there. I'm going to be if you told me steamy next was a band. She had to be like probably probably probably. But if you happen to be camping down in the canyon, which I'm not sure why you would. But if you are, because people do those things, she's gonna come get you. So there's gonna be a problem. Now, banshee's in case you were wondering are like a fairy type creature from Irish folklore,

it's not a welcome sight, you don't wanna see a banshee. It's like a curse, right? Because not only are they terrifying and loud as fuck, which would be my problem with it. I hate overstimulating sounds that freaks me out. But when you witness their screams, it's really an omen of death. So it's saying that you're either going to die or someone in your family or someone close to you is going to die.

So if you see one, that's like bad news, bears. But no one is quite sure of her origin, but she is a woman who everyone agrees was probably brutally murdered because how else do you become a band? She, I suppose. Truth. There's all these stories and legends that she was the young woman who was pushed off the top of the cliffs and into the canyons. Oh, and maybe that's why she's flailing. Yeah, because she's scared. She's like, or she's like stumbling in oblivion, you know? Just always just a loop. That's what she. Now she's mad, which can we blame her?

No, absolutely not. Resounding though. If she's angry, she has a loop. Oh, that's what she. Now she's mad, which can we blame her? No, absolutely not. Resounding no. If she's angry, she has a right. She's angry, we all are. We all are together. We are with her. No, apparently she will run at a traveler who is passing through with her arms flailing.

So she's going to run down that hill at your arms flailing. She's running up. running up that's perfect. Literally wearing the shirt. But yeah, she's going to run at you. She's not screaming yet. She's going to run at you arms flailing, flowing fabric everywhere. The perfect picture of a band she in your mind. When you walk towards her, which like, I don't know why you would, but if you do, if you walk towards her, she's gonna become eerily quiet and very calm. No, no, no, no, no. She's just gonna stand there and stare at you.

No. You're gonna ask her what's wrong. I wouldn't, but like if you do, if you ask her what's wrong, don't do that. Because then she's going to stare at you for a minute. No. And then out of nowhere, her jaw is going to unhinge. Her eyes are gonna roll back and turn black

and she will just scream at you. This the atrical bitch. Are you, she rolls her eyes into the back of her head just to her in turns of black. And her jaw unhinges and she just wails at you. I love her. Over stimulation for me, I would have cardiac arrest immediately. Like that would just be it.

She's letting the trauma out of her nervous system. I love it. I love it. It sounds like the human embodiment of rage and chaos and panic. This banshee's freaking out, the idea of just stumbling upon someone who is just fingernails and teeth and squealing and screaming and angry. The idea of her just dropping to completely calm. That would be the scariest would be like what the hell is it?

Because you're like what's about to happen and then the jaw unhinges and you're like oh that's about to happen. I think I want to be a banshee in my next life. I think I'm feeling inspired right now. I feel like good about it. It also kind of makes me think of like a race. Like a race is a really like angry raging spirit. So I'm wondering if they just like labeled her a banshee and she's actually just a race. Yeah, because banshee's are usually on the water, right? They are. They're on the water a lot and they're like, I don't know if I just don't see one out in the bad lands, but I suppose, like, you know, we'll might as say, I mean,

Banchi bad documents. I'd document it all of them, but. I think one thing that'll separate a Banchi from other things of that nature. I think the Banchi, the idea is that it's always freaking out of going completely wild. And so it's a really big Banchi. Like screaming like a Banchi.

Like a bit more like ghostly where a Banchi would just be squealing high pitched losing their mind at you where you would immediately panic. If you saw someone in that state, the idea that maybe she was falling and she's kind of stuck in it, that would make sense because she'd just be flailing and flipping out. Yeah, it makes sense, but all of this is really terrifying. Like she sounds terrifying. There's no good here, but there is a part that's kind of funny in a way. Like a little bit of funny. So she has, she doesn't come alone. Everybody. This isn't just not by herself. She has a pal. She has a pal and her pal is a skeleton that just walks next to her. And if he, yeah, this is iconic. This is epic news. And if he, it gets even better. So he's just a skeleton. And when he hears music, presumably good music, he will just bust out a fiddle of his own and play you into a trance. It reminds me of that song that you used to frequent

love like the devil came back. Oh, yeah, that was from coyote ugly. I used to walk out all the time. I love that. So you see full circle, but he loves music. And he'll sometimes also, so like there's that, he'll play you into a trance and that's bad. We'll get to that in a second. But sometimes he just loves music so much that he'll like kind of separate from her for a little bit.

And if he hears it in your camp, he'll come and just sit outside of your camp and listen to your music, especially if you're playing in your camp, he'll come and just sit outside of your camp and listen to your music, especially if you're playing good old timey cowboy music. He loves that. And you'll just hear rattling bones in the woods. And it's just him like grooving in the woods to your music. I'm getting like, whoa. I'm getting a music.

He's living. He's living. He's not though because he's skeleton. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you.

I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you.

I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you.

I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have you. I'm gonna have music. You cannot listen to it. You have to stop listening to it like in Focus Focus when the townspeople throw down the spell book on the ground because they're singing. Yep. And they have to cover their ears. You have to do that because if he decides to bop along with his jauntie tune with you, your toast. He will, because as the sun rises, he'll walk your entranst ass into a canyon, you just groove into the canyon, and he will rip you limb from limb. So that got so dark so fast, it's like he might come and

have a little jamming with you and then he will rip you limb from limb. It's different from the the watchers there where like you're going to take that risk of like just fiving with them for a second because I don't see anything really bad happening. This one, I don't think you wanna take that. No, take that. Well, that sounds like they would get up and close where the watcher, I picture, you just kinda see in them up on the mountaintop,

looking down the ridge at you, where this seems like the banshee's running towards you, squealing, waving your arms, hair, and fabric everywhere, with a skeleton playing a fiddle. And what we haven't talked about in this story is chances are, why would his fiddle be in tune? And I think, I don't think it would be in the idea of just someone playing

the super attitude fiddle. Oh, I didn't even think about it. And the bow sucks. So it's just a scratching attitude mess and it's dancing and she's screaming and running at you. What the hell? That is my nightmare because again, that would be so much over stimulation of sound for me and just like fucked up sounds. Adding adding to the fanfic. I feel like the bow would just be his femur. Oh, right. Not his femur. Someone

else is feeling that that's why he rips you limb from way. It would be the earth femur. He needs a new bow every now and again. He sure does. Or like a tendon stretched on a femur. It's still rotting and like, oh man. I can hear it's just his attitude fiddle. That's. Yeah. I don't like the story. The flesh that hits it now every now and again. You know, you know, but, but he loves it and he's dancing too. He loves it.

And you can hardly, you can only hear it above her scream. Yeah. The banshee's flug. Why are these two together though? That's what I want to know. I was wondering that too. I couldn't find anything that said why they hang out together. Maybe they just, I wonder if they were separate and they were kind of living their own

fantasy. And maybe one day he was just like fiddling over in the corner somewhere and he saw I wonder if they were separate and they were kind of living their own, they just found each out there. Maybe one day he was just like fiddling over in the corner somewhere and he saw her like blanche down the ridge at someone and he was like, that's my kind of woman. Maybe he thought she'd hang out with her like a good scream-out partner. Yeah, he was like, he's so loud. She can add vocals. Yeah.

Ooh, is she singing? If his attitude fit all that he's playing with like a human femur, maybe that's her way of singing. She thinks she's singing. Yeah, it's like opera. The worst band. The worst. The actual worst. I love it. I feel like I don't know. I'm into it. Well, there's a lot of layers to it. I think it's a really cool, like kind of fable or tail or whatever, but how it would, how it came, like what would be interesting, honestly, if you could trace back the history of the story to see like where it came from,

because most of these kind of stories of cryptids or fables or legends or whatever, they have like a beginning or an origin that makes sense, but this one I can't possibly imagine what it is. Oftentimes it's like a lot of these stories come from, either the parents or the adults in the community or the church trying to scare kids No, imagine what it is. Oftentimes, it's like a lot of these stories come from either the parents or the adults in the community or the church trying to scare kids into out of doing blank.

But whoever, like let's say, if this is to scare kids from going into the woods alone at night, whoever came up with this has an amazing imagination. They do. Because they just tacked on the skeleton. Yeah, you can't go into the woods tonight, kids. Why not? Well, let me tell you. Well, you can't go into the woods tonight kids. Why not? Well, well, let me tell you.

Sit down. Let me tell you about this duo that you might run into. I actually have like a stay out of the woods cautionary tale. You do. I think yours is much better. I feel I the skeleton really like I did him completes it. Yeah, he really does. I have a story that it's going to be a step away from this story.

I cannot possibly think of a segue out of what we just talked about. No, there isn't much. I'm good with that. This is a story that I think a lot of modern myths and legends and fables, they kind of take a different shape nowadays. It's often like I think some missing person's cases kind of get kind of are told like a modern kind of fable when you really get down to it. But a lot of UFO sightings and stories do. Canada for whatever reason, maybe because it's we have a lot of a lot of land area that doesn't contain like major city. So you really get a good look at the sky from a lot of parts of Canada.

UFO stories are quite a thing here. So before I tell you one, and I'll tell you Canada's most famous UFO story, before I do though, are either of you believers in extraterrestrial life for the idea that UFOs come here? Yes, absolutely. I think I'm an alien. But that makes sense. There's that. I feel like I Yes, absolutely. I think I'm an alien. That makes some sense.

There's that. I feel like I can come in that. Right? I believe there's something I just don't know or understand what it is. I think there just has to be. Like it's a crazy thought that we're the only people here. Yeah, or in here as in the galaxy.

Exactly. Yeah. Why would we be so lucky that we are the only living things on a planet full of living things? Right, exactly. So what makes this place so amazing, it's just, you know, that I think it would be more amazing that there wouldn't be life on our planet than there, there being, it's just a matter of, you know, I think how close it is to Earth, as well as close in proximity, but also in terms of time. So like, maybe there was this incredible

civilization, but we're just, you know, 500 million years too late to witness it. So there needs to be within the proximity of us, but also within the same time we need to have, you know, the question there is like, is like, is there life within the same proximity in time as us? But if there is, I think it may have visited, and I don't want you to laugh, there's a place in Nova Scotia, probably a three-hour drive from where I live, and it's called Shag Harbor. Have you ever heard of it? Oh, I'm not mad at that. I haven't heard of that. You have heard of it. Yeah. I love it. Whenever this story gets brought up, usually the first thing is Shag Harbor.

Shag Harbor? I heard about it. You can imagine that. You can imagine that. That's a good one. In the United States or anywhere in the world, when you think of famous UFO stories that the government are investigating, usually you think of like Roswell, New Mexico, is probably the big one.

In Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia, Canada, small fishing community, a UFO sighting happened on October 4th, 1967, that most people would call it Canada's Roswell. Like if you Google Canada's Roswell, this is what's going to come up. It's an amazing story, both because the amount of witnesses, like it's not something where you know two guys out in the woods see a weird light. This is like an entire community season. I love these.

They respond to it. The police investigate, the Canadian Coast Guard investigates, the Navy investigates, and where Canada has a pretty open system for access to information, you can see through the documents from the time how seriously this was taken by all these different parties. I'll tell you what happened. The best way to follow the story is by following along with the first person who reports it. And when I say the first person, this is something that multiple people called what at the time would have been the equivalent of 9-1-1 to report an emergency. So the main story can be told by following this guy named Laurie Wiggins. He was, I think, about 19 at the time. Again, we're back in 1967. He was a fisherman.

He's in his vehicle with three other friends and they're leaving a dance, like a small dance in the community. And Shag Harbor is very remote. It's pretty much one or two roads, both that follow the coastline. And it's a fishing community. pretty much everyone in this community either works as fishermen or works in a trade that would kind of collaborate with fishermen people. But anyway, they're driving home from the dance. It's a little after 11 o'clock at night, obviously pitch black. As they're driving home, they see what's described as like a triangular shape in the sky. So three lights on each

point of the triangle forming a triangular shape and it's kind of flying alongside them up above the tree line and they think like, huh, it's weird that there's you know a large jet flying above the tree line in the middle of nowhere tonight and you know they notice it assuming it's an airplane flying very low. And as the road kind of twists and turns and the tree line changes along with that, they will lose sight of it and then regain sight of it as they get the right vantage point. But eventually what happens over the period of like five minutes of driving alongside this thing, they see it pass over the road that they're driving on very high above

them and they still can't see exactly what it is but are assuming it's a plane. They watch it pass the road, like go over the road they're driving along and they watch it slowly descend into the water of Cheg Harbor which is on the left side of their vehicle and when I say descend, like they hear a bush and a large crashing splashing sound. Oh, I feel like I just saw a plane crash, that sucks. And that's exactly what they said. They stopped the car for a second to be like,

whoa, like did we just see a plane crash? And they see about, I think they describe it as being about 1,000 feet from the shore. So a good distance out, they see lights in the water. They don't hear anything, but they think what they believe they see is like the plane slowly sinking down into the water. So they get back in the car, they travel up the road a little bit to a gas station where they call, like first responders. It wasn't 911 at the time, we didn't have that system, but it was basically like phoning police. The police tell them, you know, we're going to send someone out right away, go back to the shore and, you know, if anyone needs help, help them. So,

Lauren is crew, travel back to the shore, get out of their car, still seeing this light. Other people begin coming out of their houses, because other people have seen this and heard it. So people in the area start showing up, multiple people are calling the emergency line. And what eventually happens is a group of the fishermen who are meeting at the water, and this is all within the period of like 20 minutes, they get on a fishing boat to go out to the light, assuming that they're gonna go out and find people splashing in the water, fighting for their lives, if they survive the plane crash. By the time they get out there,

the light has slowly been dimming. By the time they get out, they cannot see the light. Instead, what they find is like this thick, green, sulfuric smelling foam. And they described it as, in Lorie was one of the people on the boat, and I talked to him a few times about this. He described it as being thick,

almost like melted marshmallows or something. He said like, you know, I could put my hand down and like scoop it up. You know, it wasn't, people will hear that and think, you know, maybe it was sea foam, which is a common thing. But this is like a group of lifelong fishermen who parents were fishermen. They're like, this was not sea foam. This was something unique. And it's like thick. Yeah. Yeah. And smells like sulfur.

So I don't know what that could be. But they realized there's no one to save out there. They go back to shore. First official people on the scene is the Canadian Coast Guard who sends out a boat with like bright lights and stuff looking for any kind of you know floating pieces of plane. They find nothing. It's too dark for divers. So they suspend the search until the next morning when Navy divers go down assuming they're going to find you know again a sunken airplane because everybody at this point has reported it as a plane crashing. They find nothing. The Canadian government eventually determines that nothing landed in the water. No plane was missing, despite, you know, this whole community kind of witnessing something. To this day, it's changed from a plane crash to some kind of unidentified flying object

that landed in the water. And to this day, actually, one month from now is an annual UFO convention that they hold there. Were all of the witnesses, once a year, will get up on stage and like the local community hall and tell their story of what they saw. Oh my God, I want to go. I want to go to that.

That sounds amazing. It would be and it's and I went to it a few times and it's everybody again this happened in 67 so all the witnesses are kind of like old men Norris from your prior story. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. So it's just a string of people like that who are like you know I saw it I was on my deck or I was you know whatever and what's interesting I was on my deck, or I was, you know, whatever. And what's interesting, the last thing I'll say about the story is,

hearing just about what happened to Shag Harbor, what happened in Shag Harbor is only one part of the story. People who've been investigating this and trying to understand what have happened have found other reports of strange objects in the sky, that same night that are very credible. One was a report from two pilots of an air-candidoplane, like commercial plane, who was, I think, about two or three hours away from Shag Harbor, who reported through official means a strange object in the sky alongside the airplane.

They thought it was another airplane, but it turned out it wasn't. And it was traveling towards Shag Harbor. So kind of the narrative that forms is this idea of a, and when you kind of put all the sightings and reports together, it tells the story of like a strange object flying across Canada, landing in the waters of Shag Harbor to never be found again. I am obsessed with those kind of stories. That's such a good one.

So creepy, like the fact that like nothing comes of it, like finding it, so I don't even know the word. It's like ominous. And that that many people saw the same exact thing. It's like, how does that happen? Yeah, you know it has to be real real and that's what makes it really special Like when you hear like a UFO story. It's like two guys are out there cottage and they saw this It's like maybe maybe

Yeah, they were probably stone, but when you have like you know like 30 people or something I think even the individual reports made about this I think there was like five or ten calls to like emergency responders as it happened. So it's like people all over were seeing it. That's wild. We had one of those in like the bridge water triangles that like like over a dozen people called from like separate areas to say. And it was all the same description everything. And you're like, that has to be something. How can that not? Yeah, exactly. But then it becomes a question like what what could it have been and one of the yeah Well, one of the leading theories with Shag Harbor and this is interesting is at the time in 67 was

kind of on the tail end of the Cold War and the American government had Surveillance kind of satellites that would travel around and as they orbit it Earth when it got over you know whatever Russia whatever it would start taking photos and back then it wasn't digital cameras so they had to develop the film eventually what would happen is as the satellite came back around North America it would drop these packages of of its film and it would have a flare of fix to it. So a lot of people believe what was seen in Shag Harbor

was one of these kind of film canisters being dropped from this satellite. Now I guess the satellite that would have been used was in that area like well, high, high in the sky, but around that time. So it is, and the idea would be it would drop from the sky by flair, and then a submarine would pick it up and take off and look at the photos. Just kind of cool.

Oh, that's interesting. But even if that's what it is, that's still cool. Yeah, that's really cool. Ooh, I love that. It's a wild tail. I don't really, again, not a really good way to transition out of that. Because that's like real good. That's, that's a, that was a good one. Who would you know? It's like an, this is like a, this is probably an ad break story.

Yeah, insert that here. And then we're going to take you to Missouri to visit MoMo the monster. Of course we are. We had white thing. No, we got mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo mo I mean, so Momma was first spotted in the 70s. And Momma was a big foot like creature who's covered in thick black fur, unlike the white thing. Okay. But also said to be so foul smelling that, it will make your eyes water. Why do they all smell?

Well, I mean, think of a wet dog. Yeah, I think they live in the woods. Yeah, they live in the woods. It rains, it pours, there's dead animals, there's odors, it eats things, it probably gets guts on it. And I wonder if it does the dog thing where it rolls around and like, like, like, Baba used to roll around in dead animal if she found one, which was like,

always so heinous, always so welcome and so great. But yeah, yeah, it's like a territorial thing. And then imagine the dead things that these could rub themselves all over. Yeah, huge, huge dead rub in. Gross. But the only facial feature that people can make out when they encounter this Bomo animal is that he too has glowing red or orangey eyes.

But they're all in the same family. I think so, I think they're all in the bigfoot family. But they can't make out any mouth or nose, just the eyes because he's so covered in fur. Now the first spotting like I said was in the 70s and this little girl spotted him. Her brothers were playing outside and she was inside and all of a sudden she hears and these are like older boys they're in their teenage years and she hears them screaming like shrieking and she's like oh what the heck? So she goes she peeks out the window and she sees a seven-foot tall

monster again with glowing reddish orange eyes. Like, imagine how terrifying that would be. Yeah, no. And then on top of that, he had a dead dog in tow. Oh, he's just holding a dead dog tucked under his arm. Root. So they all run inside, they like go to their mom and this thing just like cruises through.

Sorry. He's just passing by. So more and more people started claiming that they saw him shortly after this incident was reported. And others thought they heard him in the woods late at night, kind of like the video that you played for us Jordan. And his screams are said to be just like inhuman. And his roars are similar to a bear again, like you were saying, but people say it's not quite that. Like it's similar, but it's not quite that. But I'll leave the same kind of thing. Yeah, those ones.

So maybe this is what your friend encountered. So the fire chief himself, Richard Allen Murray, way back then, said, and again, around the 70s, said one night he was driving home, driving along late at night, and he spotted Momo as he was driving. He said, I was amazed to see something. I thought it was a bunch of nonsense, but then I saw something. And he believed it to be Momo. So he starts telling people he's also in addition being the fire chief he was on the city council.

So he gets this group of men together. They're going to fight Momo. A vigilance committee. Yeah, I think they gathered about 25 men and they wanted to hunt whatever the hell this was. So they went out into the woods and they decided to. Why? And on July 19th, 1972, this is a real newspaper clipping, shoutout to newspapers.com.

The state-luised post-ispatch wrote a piece on the hunt saying, quote, 25 men trudged over wooded hills today, and what authority said was the first monster hunt of this Mississippi River town. But they found not even a trace of a rabbit or a squirrel let alone the shaggy beast that witnesses say walks erect. And then one person commented,

we didn't even see a leaf that was turned over, said one disappointed searcher. Whatever the monster is, it has not bathed recently, according to those who say they've seen it. The reports say that the approach can be detected by a foul odor long before the creature is seen. Unfair, because like you said, maybe he has bathed and he just doesn't have a towel. So he smells like a wet dog. He's just a little stank. It's the dead dog that stinks, the one that he's got.

Yeah, everything about him. He's the decaying animal.. He's a dead dog that stinks, the one that he's got. Yeah, everything about him. He's playing the monster. The decaying animal. Yeah, it could be that. Now, so that search didn't turn up anything at all. But then there was another search, and they found tracks that they were like, I think that could be M almost feet. Yeah.

So they submit them to the Oklahoma City Zoo, the director. His name was Lawrence Curtis. And Lawrence Curtis said that these tracks were like he'd never seen before. And he said they were that of an unknown primate like Momo. So I think Momo could be lurking out there. You guys I like Mom. I don't want to hunt him though. Yeah.

I mean, I do I love the dead dog thing. No, but I understand circle of life. It kind of gives me a of Mison men vibes. Maybe he's a gentle beast and he didn't realize that he had killed the dog by accident. Maybe he didn't kill the dog. Yeah. Maybe the dog was already dead and he was like, whoa, don't want to leave this for someone else. True. Well, I think the dead dog, it's a bit of a red herring. We're culturally, we're like, it's not cool to care about a dead dog. but I think some other animals or life forms may come in our kitchen and look at what we got in our fridges

and stuff and be like, exactly. Hold box with a bunch of shredded up cows. Yes, like they're like, that's gross and weird. Yeah, so this guy, whatever it is, it's just maybe that's its food and that is where it stores it. And I don't think we should be judging that. No, I agree.

I don't think we should judge a Momo at all. I think we should let Momo live. Justice for Momo means what I said. You heard it here first. I hate when a bunch of men decide to get together and they're like, let's all of this thing. And it's like, why though? There was like beauty in the beast.

Like he's a beauty creature, leaf in the loan. Like I pictured Gaston at the head of that with like torches, but it's for no reason. The little sidekick. Yeah. I think they're just lucky. These 25 men are lucky. They didn't stumble upon this thing because I think it would be about 17 dead men at the

end of it. Oh, absolutely. Mama would have took them to town. And like an injured innocent animal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't hear in the story, unless I missed it, I don't think he really did anything

other than freaks and people out because of carrying a dog and sleeping. Yeah, it seems like he's just like most big foot, just like walking around to people see him and they're like, oh, he's big and scary, let's kill him. Yeah. Let's get 25 men. 25 men to go there.

A group of men that you are to kill Momo. Momo. Quick, someone let all the women know we're doing something. Exactly. He rinks at that. They can be a big mess. Yeah, seriously. But before we go, let's all the women know we're doing something. Exactly. He reads about it. He can be a bit better. Yeah, seriously. But before we go, let's tell the women.

I love it. Well, I'm staying in the woods. So there's the segue for that. Mine is a little different. Mine is called the not deer. So is it a deer? No. That's the one thing that's known about this story.

It is not a deer. It is called the not dear. It's found in Tennessee. It's really Tennessee. Oh, look at that. It is found throughout Appalachia. So you can see it anywhere. Okay.

And basically people see it in the forest and think it's just this massive deer. Because it anywhere. Okay. And basically people see it in the forest and think it's just this massive deer because it's really huge. And it looks like that at first. You're like, oh, a big deer. But then you look and you look a little harder and it's not a deer. It has all these weird joints and antlers and limbs almost appearing broken. Oh, like the legs can bend outward. Like they're all seem like they're broken in weird, jettaways. It looks a fool when you actually look at it. It is acting, I'll see.

One of the things that people report most is that they, that's like the weirdest part and how they're able to be like, that's not a deer. Is it has eyes that are on the front of its head, instead of towards the side, which is normally attributed to a predator. So that's great. I didn't realize that. Yeah. And its eyes can also be weirdly human-like, which whenever you see an animal that has like human eyes, get away from it. Like you ever seen those dogs that have eyes that look like a Victorian child just trapped inside of it. Like that's

what I picture. It's like these like sad Victorian eyes looking at you. I don't know why. It's stressful. And they feel like they have this weird human type presence about them people have said. Like they don't cause they're broken. Like they don't look like, they don't look human like, but they just have a feeling of like,

I feel like they are judging me or something. Like it's very, very human like feel to it. There's times where I see like a screwed up animal and I'm like, I know how you feel, man. Yeah, you're just like same. That is me. You're not dear. You showed me an odd dear and like, I can really, and we were both like, yeah, man, I mean, too, sometimes. And all reports say that those who witnessed it in person just get this weird feeling of being deeply unsettled. So which at first I was like, that's probably because you're seeing

what you just described. Like I would also feel unsettled. I think that's a natural reaction. But people said it wasn't just that initial like fear feeling of like what the hell is that. It's like this palpable feeling of dread. And just, and everybody described it as wrongness, just not right, whatever it was.

And wrongness maybe because some reports said that it has human hands or paws for arms and it walked onto dear like hind legs. So it walks on its hind legs and just kind of like has a few in my hands or paw fronts. Maybe it's a little monster, paws up. There you go, paws up. Gaga, but also some witnesses I saw said that.

And I hate this. I don't know why this freaks me out so much. It's mouth hangs open and it's in like it's tongue will hang out. You showed me a video and I hate hate hate load the entire yeah I don't like when it's just like like it's just like yeah it's I don't know you don't like that but you're bringing a lot of that to the table today. I'm bringing it for you. I'm doing this all for you putting myself in a very unsettled position but it's eyes also glow brighter than normal because you know

when you like flashlight on a deer's eyes, you can see it. Or it has too many eyes. Wow. Which would be more than two for me. I'm sure everybody else feels that way. So this is just not a deer. I watched this TikToker again, but I'm not going to mention their name because at first I was like, oh, I'm going to shout them out so that everybody goes to their thing But then they were like stop asking me about the fucking not dear and I was like, okay, I want to shout you out So delete the videos and don't ask them about the fucking not dear But I'm not gonna say their name, okay, but they had a lot of experiences while living here with the not dear

They said they ran into one one night and like they were just walking on their property like outside. I think it was their grandparents house. And they said the mouth was like indeed hanging open way too wide. They said it was way too. It wasn't just like a deer that's like, because it's like, I don't know when deer's get like bonked on the head, can sometimes they be like, like, just like they're with your mouth open. Maybe they having to get maybe something to do. I don't know. I just feel like when things get bonked on the head sometimes, they make that noise as well. And they go,

I am a deer. But this was way too wide. They said it stretched from ear to ear like the opening. Like it was unnatural. No, no. Another time they said they encountered another not dear during the opening. Like it was unnatural. No, no. Another time they said they encountered another not dear during the day. And their eyes shown like dears do but at night, but it was during the day. Like it's shown like it was flashing something on it, but they said

almost every time they have seen not dear, they also have a ton of sharp teeth in their mouth, like not dear teeth. They're like carnivorous teeth. Yeah, so that's predatory to me. I literally wrote here, check out this person's stuff on cryptids, don't do it. I don't tell you who they were. But it's really fast too. It's really fast, which is not great, because it's all like bent and gnarly, but it can like launch itself out. And I imagine there's all like, as it's running since it's so screwed up, there'd be some weird sounds coming up.

Like snapping and cracking and flapping flesh. And it can be up to 30 miles per hour. It can run at you. And since it's a predator with those eyes, that's bad. And there are reports of people getting chased by them and being able to jump somewhere or climb something to get away from it. Yeah.

But I'd like to bring us all down to logic time for a second, just for a quick second, because I was like, what the fuck is this? Look where? What is this? Some of these are definitely just real deers, I think, that it might be suffering from something called chronic wasting disease.

Oh. They just get human hands on the sun here. Well, I think that's just people, well, who knows, maybe there are not deers out there that look like that, but I think that some of these sightings might be attributed to this. It's this neurological virus

that only like deer, moose, elk, like those kind of species, kind of dudes can get. It's fatal and the symptoms can be massive weight loss, which can make joints look a little gnarled and mutated. They'll stumble around because it's neurological. They get like, they make weird sounds. Sometimes the mouth can hang open a little bit and they lose their fear of humans. So they will just come at you. Like that's usually deer will run away from you. That's so sad, but honestly that's kind of not a deer either.

So it's not like something more. That's sad. I hate it at the end. Sorry. Yeah, well that's what I guess one theory, but it's like That's pretty dark if that's what it is But the idea of like if you see an animal that's at the end of its life Mm-hmm. You don't know that that's just the one time you see the animals So if this is wasting away, it's all screwed up and disoriented and bizarre Yeah, that's freaky Scary either way it's scary. Yeah, I have a lot of them, aren't sick,

and I hope it's more just not dear. A not dear. Yeah, what I was thinking, as you were describing it, I was thinking, it sounds like a deer that just got hit by a car or something. That's what I thought too. And it managed to survive, but it's half broken and it's going on adrenaline.

And that's pretty freaky too. Yeah, and it's half broken and it's going on adrenaline. And that's pretty freaky too. Yeah, and it's just sad. And they can make weird noises when they're hurt and sick, like, yeah, like literally growl, like, ugh, yeah. So I think, who knows, maybe there are not deers, but. But there's also like, there's a chance you could run into it. Let's say, just if the tables are turned, you're a deer and you encounter a human. And the only thing you know about humans are like the typical

average human you would normally see. Like a healthy, middle-aged animal, fully clothed, doing its thing. And you just happen to stumble upon a human who has like the worst stomach flu ever. And you're like, I saw it. It was just puking. And it was like the worst stomach flu ever. And you're like, I saw it. It was just puking. And it was rolling around and it was owning.

Yeah, groaning. And yeah, but it's like, maybe this not dear is just the equivalent of like by chance you stumble upon a human who has like this horrible or worse virus. It has like the narrow virus. Yeah, exactly. It just makes me want to knock on one. That's true, I know. Or COVID, it nervous. Yeah, exactly. It just makes me want to knock on one of the street.

I know. Or COVID, it's just like, it has like a grassy voice and it was hacking. Yes. Can't taste anything. Can't roll for the joint page. Yeah, it has like a ventilator hooked up. It had this machine that was breathing for it.

It must have been a monster. It's true. It was a white thing. It was a's true. It was a white thing. It was a white thing. We've come full circle. Wonderful. Okay. I think the only way to segue from whatever the heck that was, the not dear, is to pirate treasure.

Oh, that, yeah. Yeah, of course. People all over the world, no Nova Scotia. So again, I'm from a province called Nova Scotia in Canada. We are known for very little. There's not much famous things about Nova Scotia that people would be like, oh, you're from the place that has blank. However, a few years ago, maybe 10 years ago,

a TV show came out called The Curse of Oak Island. I think it's aired on the History Channel, and it's probably also aired on other channels around the world, but more often than not, when I tell someone international that I'm from Nova Scotia, if they know what Nova Scotia is, they know it because it's the setting for that television show, the Curse of Oak Island.

I love that. Yeah, well, it's a cool thing to be known for, because Oak Island and the Oak Island mystery is the world, I keep wanting to say Canada's, but no, it's the world's longest running active treasure hunt. And what I mean by that is since 1857, the world's longest running active treasure hunt. And what I mean by that is since 1857, people in one group or another have been actively digging for treasure

on a small island in Nova Scotia since, again, since 1857. So my math is horrible. That's over a hundred years, 1857. 200. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, almost 200 years. Yeah, you're right. None of us got here. We all suck it. Yeah. I dropped off college. So for a tremendous amount of time, people have been actively pursuing treasure. Six people have died during the pursuit of this treasure. All due to All accidental deaths, like one group poison themselves, but they dug down so deep into

the ground that the gases in the ground basically killed them. Oh my God. While other people were trying to rescue them, they died in trying to rescue. What? There was a couple explosions because again when you're talking about digging, you know, 100 years ago, there's a lot of like, unsafe labor that's going on back then. But the story's quite amazing and it's it's it could be its own series of morbid podcast episodes

just due to the length of time it's been going on. But the way the story goes usually, and again, every part of this story is disputed as is any other 200 year old story. But basically, the way the story starts is a group of young men see some strange lights on this small uninhabited island called O'Gyland. They immediately assume that it's likely someone stashing something. This was a time of prohibition where you couldn't have alcohol, so bootleggers would kind of like hide the alcohol places like for example a small island and they do it by boat and then they go collect it later. So these young guys see that, see the lights over in this island

and they think, yeah, we'll go over there tomorrow and see what that's all about. When they go over to the island by a little boat the next day, they go to where the light was and they don't see anything obviously hidden but they do notice a tree that has like a pulley hanging from it like something you would attach to rope to and there's a depression in the ground below it.

Not a recently dug depression, but an obvious sign that someone had dug or buried or had been using this land before. They grabbed some shovels, they start digging, and over the period of several days they're doing this work, and as they dig down, they dig first 10 feet. And what they hit at 10 feet down is a platform of oak logs, just a bunch of logs cut side by side. And they're like, oh, well, we pull these logs up. We're certainly going to find whatever it is, you know, below it. So they pull the logs up. There's more dirt. So they dig down further. They get another 10 feet down. There's now a platform of logs, but on top of the logs is a thick kind of like mat of some kind of material which has now been learned to be

coconut fibers, which is weird because we don't have coconuts on the East Coast here of Canada. Except if you dig on Okan and there's coconut fibers all over there. But eventually these guys managed to dig down 90 feet, which is an incredible amount. That's wow commitment. Hell yeah. And they're finding this platform of logs every 10 feet covered with with coconut fibers. When they get down 90 feet, it's like it's the end of one of their work days. Like I think they spent a few days digging. At the end of the day they get to the 90th foot

mark where there's this platform of logs, but this platform is unique where it has a large flat rock with some kind of carving on it. They think, they spoiler alert they do. They think this platform is unique. Whatever's under here is the treasure. No, but it's, but day like, like sunlight is going down, so they need to stop work. But before they do, they pull up the rock, they take it above ground with them. This is a story that includes a lot of kind of booby traps and stuff. So I won't get into all of them,

but it appears, or a legend would have it, that they fell for the main booby trap by removing this rock. Because up until now, the pit they dug has been dry. They come back the next morning. The pit pretty much right to the surface is filled with water. Ah. Many people believe that by pulling up this rock has kind of unlocked something that allowed

the pit to fill up. Because over the next probably a hundred years of trying one company to another, one group of investors to another, they've been digging down trying to find ways to get the water out of there. But what they have found instead is all of these kind of tunnels that go from different parts of the island underground to this pit and it's all feeding water. So you cannot dig faster than the ocean can refill itself. Wow. So that's kind of how the story starts. But if you jump forward now to present day 2022, the history of this island

has included multiple groups getting sucked in by the idea that there's something buried underground that they've multiple people, multiple groups have dedicated their lives. Some, as I mentioned earlier, some have died and pursued it. Many have lost every scent they own in trying to find different ways to get under this ground to figure out what there is. And there's no a museum on the island that archives a lot of the major discoveries. And it's not people going blindly on faith. There's been things found, like, you know, 200 feet below ground, a a pair of scissors or a piece of parchment paper that has like ornate writing on it for for no reason at all.

And now the the TV show the Curse of Oak Island is kind of chronicles the current search and it follows along with the current treasure hunters who are digging there. And this is something in Nova Scotia. It's what's really unique is of course, any community, your province, or state or whatever. They would have their own laws and by-laws that dictate how people can act. In Nova Scotia, we have a special set of legislation that's called the Treasure Trove Act, which regulates how people use this island for treasure hunting. So that's, it's very unique, but.

That's so cool. I'm gonna watch the show now. Very cool. Well, they don't find much, but what's interesting is when you go through the history of Oak Island, you find people who've done some incredible things and some ingenious ways of getting down deep below ground. For example, one guy who recently passed away,

he was from Florida, and he did a lot of metalworking. And he had read in Reader's Digest, I think in the 60s, about the story of Oak Island, and he thought using my skills in metalworking, I may have like some unique skill to offer that may help me take over and or may help me find the treasure. And what he ended up doing was to get down below ground and to prevent water from coming in and the whole thing collapsing on itself, he bought a whole bunch of decommission tanker cars that would be

on a train like the long narrow tanks. And what he did was he would put it upright on the ground and dig out underneath it. So the tanker would slowly kind of slide into a hole that he was digging underneath it. Once it got deep enough, he put another one on top and welded them together and would continue to dig down. So as he was digging, these things

were slowly sliding into the ground. And he ended up getting 180 feet into the ground. Oh my god. I was wondering if someone was going to come up with something like that. Yeah, but he ended up when he got that deep at the bottom of what he had dug was a pool of water and using pretty much like homemade equipment, he dove, like dive down into it and he believes he saw a treasure chest as well as a skeleton while he was down there.

But no one's really ever been able to get down there since. So the jury is oh. Yeah, but whenever I talk to people and tell them where I'm from very often, this comes up and they're like, what do you think is down there? But it's like,

What do you think is down there? Yeah, what do you think? Well, I don't know. My thing is like what I've always thought about Oak Island and the treasure hunt is like the idea of their being treasure is very cool, but probably more interesting than what it could be is like the individual stories of the people

who have dedicated life and limb to pursue this kind of insane idea. Like the guy who dug the whole and putting the train down there, his name was Dan Blankenship. When I met him, he was this, he had recently passed away, but I think he was like 90 years old, and he just kind of sat in a chair on kind of the entrance to the museum on the island, just still like it's like if it wasn't for age and time he would be in a whole day. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like he'd love to talk about it. It was amazing. And if anyone ever comes to Nova Scotia like they do tours in the summer where you

can kind of see the main spots on the island and it's all kind of curated and guided. It's pretty amazing. That's really cool. I want to go and that. I know, and I wish somebody had found something before he passed away. I know. He's still a friend. It's one of those things where it's like, they're always on the verge of a major discovery. And I've heard about this since I was a kid.

Like I think when I was like maybe six years old, my grandparents were telling me about it. But it's fortunately now that this TV show airs You can kind of see it and you know see what they're actually doing because when I was a kid It's like I heard about it and I could see pictures and read books about it But now you can kind of watch along as they dig which is pretty neat. That's it really cool I think it was a big mistake to move that rock that huge whenever you come across an inscribed rock That's hidden 90 feet below the surface.

This leave it. Stay away from that rock. Yeah. Yeah, and the rock, the rock had carvings, but the rock has been lost since, so people don't know what it's. Ooh, oof, that's even worse. Yeah, so if you are going to grab the rock and pull it up,

take care of the rock. Yeah, hold on. Hold on. It's important. Do you think the save place has it, and they they're like hiding it or more of a treasure hunt? Possibly, but the kind of they've traced this rock looking for. People call it the 90-foot stone. And apparently for a while was kept at a book binding business in the area. And they used it as the stone that they would like, I guess when you do bookbinding, you would like lay the book and like hit it to like make its fold to

whatever. And they would use the, they use the stone as like kind of the main stone they were using for their bookbinding business. And they had it in the window of the store. Oh, they put it to work. That's a bad, bad idea. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, since then, they don't know where it is and if it even exists because it's the kind of thing another part of the Oak Island treasure hunt and and I guess maybe the flaw with humanity is someone would dedicate all their time and money to find their way of getting down there but then eventually they get to a point where they run out of money and they got a cash out so there's

this idea and mining they call it salting the mine. And the idea is like, just as you want a cash out, you find something of value to make someone else want to buy the mine or whatever off you. So a lot of the things that have happened over history, people think a lot of them are maybe just investors wanting to cash out and planting something that makes it look like they're just about to find something. It does make sense. But now, regardless though, it's like since 1857 till today, they're still digging in treasure hunting going on, which is pretty cool. That's wild. That story was like adorable and terrifying all the same time. I really like that story. I'm gonna dive more into that.

Well, I just think it's cool to find these kind of like hidden little gems like that that are just kind of existing around that you just you don't know about. Because yeah, because who knew that there was even that like a treasure hunt happening. Yeah, never mind like the longest one in history. Yeah, and in a treasure hunt where they don't know what's around happening. At all. Never mind like the longest one in history. People who take the history channel. And a treasure hunt where they don't know what they're looking for.

Yeah, or who put it there. That's a part of it. There's all these theories over what it's, Shakespeare's lost manuscripts. It's a religious sort of that. It's a pirate's treasure. That's what I thought of. Maybe it's not even a treasure at all. I know, maybe it's a curse that has already been unleashed.

Yeah, right at the beginning of the pandemic, we dug up this weird thing. Yeah. I know. I'm like, did you dig up the panoramic? So many of those things happened all at once when they were like so weird, like scientists opened 600 sarcophagi and just and you're like, yeah, that's probably fine. It's probably not what we have COVID. But thank you. That's great. That's probably my full knows by thanks for that. Well, at one point, you called that a little gem and I have to tell you guys, I'm bringing you a little gem right now. You are. I'm going to skip over my paranormal kind of spooky one for the sake of time and I'll bring it to those later date. This one, because this one I have to tell you about.

You too. I want to tell you guys about the squunk. I love it. The squunk. What really drew me to the squunk is that they're very emotional beings in me too. I think that they are all just cancers. Like, they're so drow.

Yeah. It's a shame that we're relating to so many of these beasts. Yeah. We're all alike in some way. You know, we can all find ourselves somewhere in here. The thing is, you might be able to find yourself in this. Maybe all of us sitting here are a listener. The squunk can disappear with its tears. It just sits there sobbing, and then its tears make it disappear and go off elsewhere. Why is that so funny to me? It's so funny. I think it's deep. The squank is a deep animal and I know why the squank is so sad.

It's because his home state of Pennsylvania has classified him as the holiest animal in the world. Oh, the poor squank. The poor squank. So who are they to say? Who are they? Legends of the squank actually day all the way back to 1910, when the squank was referenced in a book written by a man named William Cox called Fierce and Creatures of the Lumber

Woods with a few desert mountain beasts. He said I sprinkle this. He said I sprinkle this. He said I sprinkle this. He said I sprinkle this. And there he goes. So Mr. Cox said that the squawk was one of many creatures living in the hemlock forests in Pennsylvania. And he went on to say that the squawk is a quote,

most retiring, bashful creps. Creps. Creps. I can't say this word. How do you say this word? Crepsicular. Crepuscular. Crepuscular.

Thank you so much. Thank you, welcome. He's garbed in a loose, warty, singularly ill-fitting skin. The squawk is always unhappy, even more bid to him. He is given to constant weeping over his really upsetting appearance and can sometimes be tracked by his tear-stained trail. Moonlit nights are best for squawk hunts. For then, the animal prefers to lie quiet and that it's hemlock home.

Fearing should adventure forth that it may catch a glimpse of itself in some moonlit pool. This was just me and junior high. They said he's so ugly. So ugly. Me and junior high. He's scared to see himself.

What's going on? So sad. Poor squally. I think that that was you and junior high. You were beautiful. Oh my god. Thank you. I used to lie. But thank you. You were not squand. What's more squally. I think that that was you, engineer. How you were beautiful. Oh my God, thank you. I used to lie.

But thank you. You were not squally. What's the squally? Your skin wasn't ill-fitting. No way. How do you know? You guys don't know. I know.

I knew you. Well, it's not. I don't know if it's much about the reality is how you feel. And when we hear about the skunk, it obviously feels miserable. And then the idea that when it expresses that, it becomes invisible. I know.

It's like an allegory or something. Let me disappear with my woes. I feel alone, I start to cry and I disappear. I become invisible. And I'm truly alone. I feel horrible for this guy. Yeah, he just needs a friend. He needs some uplifting music.

I feel like the Squallong to like a lot of the cure. And like whenever I do that, I'm personally very sad. So, but this man William goes on to say that quote, sometimes you can hear one weeping softly to himself. The sound is a low note of pleading, somewhat resembling the call of a cross feathered sneeze. Oh, and he gave the Squank a more official like scientific scientific name, which is I hope I'm saying this right.

La Cremacorpus dissolvance, which comes from three Latin words, which like scary that I said those, that translate to tears, body, and dissolves. I can't believe he just saw him some tears. Now, again, he's so sad because his skin is said to be ill-fitting, but also he's covered in tons of blemishes and warts. He just needs a skincare routine. Yeah, I think so. That's all. But the tears over his appearance really do come in clutch, because like I said, it can disappear from crying.

And people do hunt squunk and one fan was said to have caught a squunk and he put him in his bag, which I think is personally very rude. And he's just walking along with his bag of squal. And he realizes at some point during his journey home to show the ladies apparently, that his bag isn't quite as heavy as when he started. And he checked it out and he went in there and he said when he looked into the bag, he saw was quote the liquid remains of a sad animal So he just cried himself out of there. He said bye. But he said that kind of worked. Maybe he's crying tears of joy because he's like

Suck up. There you go. He's got me in my ill-fitting warts. Maybe he's emotionally manipulative And he just cries on cute emotional baby boy, he's just a lesbian. He can cry when everyone's. You work with what you got. And I do. It served him, but I bet you there's times when the squawk is alone, crying since your tears. Probably.

Wanting someone to notice and they can't. It's almost like Midas is gold in touch. It's like in the beginning. Because you could just touch something and get money, but then turns out you cannot connect with another person because it could touch them. That's kind of how this guy is. And he probably has good days with it and bad days with it.

But don't we all with our skin and our vibes and our pot. You know? But overall in hearing this whole story, it came across as like a dark doctor soup story. And even the name like spawn. The name of a squall. Sue story. And even the name, like, spawn. The name of squal.

Yeah, it does sound like that. Like, yeah, if only you could, if you could like rewrite it and read it and rhyme, it would actually absolutely be like a Halloween Dr. Sue. Yeah. 100%. Maybe I'll do that. I just feel bad for the squal.

I want a squal. So we can cry together. Not our warriors. And maybe he can teach me how to disappear when I'm a little sad. What a little sad. Oh man. That's dark.

That's not beginning to end on that though. That's a dark thing. It was even morbid, guys. It was very morbid. But mine is just, um, strange. Mine's called the skunk ape. Hell yeah.

Hell like this. Yeah. He's just essentially a smelly bigfoot of Florida. All of them, so stanky. And he's from Florida. Florida man. He's a Florida man. He's a Florida bigfoot.

I love that for him. There have been tales and sightings of this man's for like hundreds of years in this area. It's basically bigfoot, but it has dark hair and it has that really foul odor associated with it. So it kind of sounds like moomu there. I was gonna say, is it momo? Or moomu, momo, whatever.

Just get it run over it. Sorry, momo. That's my man's. But yeah, it's got the foul odor associated with it. This guy named Dave Shealey is the one who like really, like dedicated his whole life to proving that these exist. And he said, it's a mixture of a skunk, moldy cheese and goat dung, the smell.

I didn't know that goat dung had a specific smell. Didn't know either, but we do, the more you know. And then moldy cheese. The background you would need to have to give that description of a smell is amazing. Yeah, it really is. I would like to hear what that entails. Moldy cheese, though, just makes me think of like blue cheese. Same and I love blue cheese, but it is very stank delicious.

When you put it with skunk and goat tongue, I assume. Yeah, it's not like a good flavor profile. But it also, when I hear like a smelly thing, I initially, when I didn't know that's what it smell like, I was like, well, is it like a sulfur smell? Because then it hear like a smelly thing, I initially when I didn't know that's what it smelled like, I was like, well, is it like a soul first smell? Cause then it's like a demon. Right. But I think it just has like,

or like, overactive clams or something. Hmm, maybe it's just as fatty being like a thyroid problem, maybe. But I think he's nice. I think he's a nice guy. There's no reports that he's heard anybody or tried to heard anyone, like most big feet, I think. And the first sighting of these creatures goes back to 1957, the first like recorded one. Goes back to 1957. Two hunters were camping in the Everglades, which was their first mistake, in my opinion. And they came out terrified, saying that they had seen a giant, very pungent ape.

saying that they had seen a giant, very pungent ape. So, you know, it's kind of a piece. There were also tons of reports after see, after this first report, there was a ton that came in right after in the Everglades. So it was kind of like, it started a whole thing. And this was in the 50s, so it's not like, they saw it online, and everybody started following this. Like, there was actual reports.

And people tried to claim that it was coming up to their cars and shit, which I think it just got like more and more crazy. Because again, big feet are peaceful, in my opinion, are fused that they want anything to do with our dumb asses. I think that's why they run away from us because they're like, I don't want, no, I don't want to know you get away from me. There was actually a hole in this was in 1997 that there was a whole tour bus of people, 30 plus people that claim that they saw this big foot. I thought you were gonna say

there was a whole tour bus full of scumbags and I got so excited. Imagine if that would be so casual for me to say. I could see you doing that though, just to like set us up. Just, yep, they commandeered a bus and that's the end of my story. No, it was just like a mass sighting of them. I do wonder though if this was a tour,

because I could not find what this tour bus was for. And I was like, was it a tour bus to go find a skunkate? Because that's the case. It's like saying you saw a moose on a moose tour. True. So same year, 1997, a photograph was taken by Ochope Fire Control District Chief, Vince Dauer. He, and in this picture, it shows a scum cape, or what he says is a scum cape, and it's like through the forest, just like standing there. It's like this little, little guy.

Almost like a mere cat, but he's big. Yeah. It's just perspective of an awkward. But it looks tiny. And apparently after this picture came out, dozens of people started reporting this very creature to the big Cyprus national preserve. So they got a ton of sightings in this air, this same area. Now people do say that there's also like zoos and nature preserves around and that they do have like primates, like orangutans and all kinds of things that could and like gorillas even. There have been escapes of those things. Also, who knows if one or more of these were like, whoops, we just saw that escape

during a day that nobody knew about. I don't know. Either way, Dave Sheely, the guy who I said is like dedicated his life to this, he saw one basically for the first time when he was 10 and he was out with his family hunting and he said he saw one, his little brother was with him, he saw it too. And since then, he had just can't get over it. He wants to prove that they're real. He even shot a video of one and I think he said he's seen like three since then, but he did shot a video of one. And I think he said he's seen like three since then,

but he did get a video of one in 2000. And it just is basically, it looks like a gorilla just walking through an open field. But it's like the classic like big foot walk that like ambole that they do, you know? Yeah. Six that were all doing this. If this is a visual background. like, ambo that they do, you know, yeah. Six, we're all doing this.

If this is a visual background. We're all just like, you know, walking. Yeah, and it just flees into the forest. It's, it's a video. It's a video. I think it's real. Who am I to say? I want it to be real. Okay.

I want big feet to be out there. Yeah, I want it to be real. The fact that there's feet to be out there. Yeah, I want it to be real. The fact that there's a whole bunch of reports kind of needs to be to credence to it, but at the same time, what came first, the reports are the legend. Exactly. That's what I was thinking exactly. And it's really just, it's the fact that it's like so similar to just like a big foot. Like it's like eight feet tall or bigger. It has reddish to black hair. They say it's they're usually trying to distinguish it between the northern big feet. They're like that's not us. That's because this is the southern big foot. So they're like it's just different. Like the the

hair is different. So we have different hair up here apparently. They can run which I think a lot of big feet are pretty fast like upwards of 20 miles per hour. So like, you're kind of fucked if you try to run away from it. Faster than I can run. But again, they don't attack people. There's no reports of them being jerks. They just smell. And there is, interestingly, a skunk ape headquarters created by Dave Shealy, located in Ocha, P Florida. Let's go. It has all this research stuff. He has a big statue of a skunk, both side of it.

There's a website you can go to. He's a believer. He's a believer and he's dedicated to it. And just to add this. I don't know. The Oak Island story is like, if someone gets themselves wrapped up in it, and that's what, I think that's what these legends

and sightings and mythology, they need is someone who is like creative, well written and an archivist, who can just take the story on and carry it forward. It makes all the difference. You need that person. That's who he is. We need Dave Shealey. And just to end this on like a little Florida thing,

which I thought was very interesting. Always fun. In 1977, because there were so many sightings of this thing at this point, like they were like piling up. There was a bill, and it was House Bill 1664, and it was proposed. It didn't go through it failed, but it was proposed, and it went to the Florida State Legislator, and it was to make it illegal to, quote, take, possess, or molest, anthropoids,

or humanoid animals. Why did we have to propose a bill to say that we shouldn't do that? And also, like, why did we go through? I think that's pretty fair. Like, what I'm just saying. You know the way government is. I'm like a lot of red tape, I suppose.

But I think that's a pretty fair thing to be like, yeah, don't do that. A lot of things are pretty fair that they don't vote on snow. Like I would not be upset if there was a law that was like, don't take or molest a humanoid animal. I'd be like, yeah, don't do that. No, I would be great law to pass that.

I'd say, don't do that. I'd be like, yay, in favor. But it fails. So in Florida, that is not a law. So they're like,'d like to pass that. I'd say, don't do that. I'd be like, yay, in favor. But it fails. So in Florida, that is not a law. So they're like, go ahead and do that. You can do that. If you find one, you can take half at it or molest. I suppose.

Well, I think an interest in court case will be one day when someone does like take or molest something and their defenses like it was humanoid thus it's fair. Yeah, that is not on the books Yeah, and the in the in the prosecution you like that is not at all humanoid. Yeah We write fanfic about that The white thing was

Oh, that's a piece. I love it. So yeah, that's the skunk ape. I think, yeah, the skunk ape. I like it, but ultimately it's the story of a stinky ape. I think that the more fascinating story is the story of the guy who dedicated his self to, and his life, to researching and creating a kind of a home for, research for the story. Yeah, and he's really going for it, Dave Shealey. We've got his family into it. kind of a home for research for the story.

And he's really going for it, Dave Shealy. We got his family into it. Hey Dave, you want to talk? He's a believer. I like it. Yeah, I like people like that. Should we keep going or are we? Yeah, because you have one more, don't you?

Yeah, well I can go on that. Yeah, let's end on yours. Let's, I think it's talking with Dave Shealey. I have a story that will kind of connect to Why it's so important to have someone who's well-written Good at communicating and good at researching to carry a story forward. There's a story in Canada that is seen as our most famous Poultergeist slash haunted house story. People refer to it simply, yeah, people refer to it simply as the great Amherst mystery.

Amherst is a small town in Nova Scotia, and that's where the story takes place. So it's either referred to as the great Amherst mystery, named after where it takes place, or simply the haunting of Esther Cox. And Esther Cox is the then 19 year old woman at the heart of Esther Cox. And Esther Cox is the then 19-year-old woman at the heart of the story. So what's amazing about this is it takes place in 1878,

but it is very well documented and very easy to understand because what ended up happening was it's the story of a poltergeist that seemed to be following this 18 turning 19 year old woman Esther Cox and when it started to become known that this was happening to a young woman in the neighbor in the community it was in the paper I think initially a famous actor from the United States named Walter Hubble who had an interest in the paranormal and hauntings and poltergeists. He connected with the family and he decided to come from the United States to live with her family in Amherst with the goal of documenting and researching what was happening to her in

real time, and he kept a diary as this happened of what he was seeing and what was happening in the home. And eventually his diary would be published as at the time best-selling book. And anyway, so you can kind of get a sense of what was happening through his writing. But again, it has to be taken with a grain of salt because he did get financial benefit out of the book being a bit of a seller. Right, of course. But ultimately what happened is one night Esther Cox, again, an 18, just about to turn 19 year old girl,

she shared a bedroom in the top floor of a home with I think three other siblings. And what was happening to Esther is over the last several days she wasn't feeling well, she was quiet, she was kind of staying away from everyone. In the middle of the night, her siblings woke up with Esther kind of crying and moaning, breaking out Nicole's sweat. They approached her bed to see what was going on and what they did was initially, it's reported as they grabbed the blankets to try to

kind of pull them off her to get a look at her, but the blankets were like stuck to her. Like it was, they could not get her out of the blankets. And what happens next is the legs of the bed started just kind of going up and down, pounding as like the whole bed vibrating. Esther's eyes were rolling back in her head. She was awake, but not saying anything as they're panicking. Like what is happening to Esther. But it all ends on the first night with a large, almost sounding like an explosion in the roof, almost like lightning hit the host. As soon as the sound happens, she snaps out of it, jumps out of bed, unsure of what has happened.

Awesome. Yeah. And so, and what happens is pretty much every night as it goes on, similar things like this happen, but the intensity goes up and up and up as time goes on. It starts to incorporate fire. It starts to be so loud, the explosions on the roof that people in the neighborhood are hearing this happening. So it's no secret to everybody that there is a haunted house

or a haunted girl. Walter Hubble, the actor from the United States, comes down and begins tracking it, researching it, writing about it. In real time, the newspaper, the local newspaper is covering it in real time. Crowds are gathering outside of the home. Eventually, what they do is they take Esther on a sort of tour, almost like a freak show sort of thing, where she's charging money to get into see her and get a glimpse of the haunted girl.

People, man. People are gonna people. Yeah, but it gets so bad that people in the community are complaining because fires are breaking out. They're worried it's gonna, you know, injure someone or spread a fire to a neighboring home. Esther eventually gets shipped off to, I think it's an uncle's home in a neighboring community to just kind of get away from it. And while there, fire breaks out in the shed or the barn of the home she's staying at,

and she gets blamed for it, not the poltergeist, but she personally gets blamed and goes to prison. Oh wow. As a young girl. So an odd kind of twist in it, but after she gets out of prison, it all stops. So some people believe she kind of snapped out of it if she was responsible, but believers that there was actually a poltergeist or haunting surrounding her say that she met somebody while in prison who was like a psychic medium kind of witch doctor type, and they were able to break her of whatever curse.

Now the last part, I'll say about this, is what everybody who's researches this, people who are contemporarily close to it at the time, they point back to an incident that happened days before the trouble started for Esther as being the source of it. And what is really odd is I believe three days before the haunting or poltergeist activity began to surface. Esther Cox was on one of her first dates where she was with a young man in the neighborhood in the community who took her out on, I think, on a horse-pulled carriage. So romantic.

What a first date. Well, it gets less romantic because Esther Cox was not interested in his sexual advantages, advances, and he did not like that. And she suffered a physical assault days before. So when she was quiet for a period of days, eventually it comes out that the reason she was quiet is because of what happened between her and this boy. Oh my God. And so a lot of people think that there was something

kind of set off in this attack against Esther, that she didn't tell anyone about initially, that just set off this kind of rage around her, that almost did you ever see the movie by Stephen King, or it's a book by Stephen King that became a movie called Firestarter? Yes. It seems like it's kind of like the 1978 version

of like some kind of twist on that or something. Yeah. But to this day, like you can, the book about that Walter Hubble wrote about his time living with the Cox family is now public domain, so it's free all over the internet, and it's pretty fascinating if you're a believer, because it goes in depth and every little thing he saw. But I think I was just like, I'm'm gonna do like a full episode on that. Well, some parts of it are absurd.

Were you here about like, you know, they convinced the ghosts like, you know, if knock once for yes twice for no, and there's actually parts where Walter Hubble claims to have like interviewed this spirit. What? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, and of course, much like every Paltargeis haunted

history, there's also a famous incident that occurred where during one of Esther Cox's fits at night, her siblings who were in the room with her watched carving into the wooden wall, without anyone touching it, just the words carved into the slowly a ester cocks your mind to kill so that kind of phrase is a lot work that apparently that was slowly carved into the wall in plain eyesight of of other witnesses says recount it in Walter Hubble's book. Have you ever seen the movie it follows? Oh I love that movie. Me too. In a weird way, it almost

reminds me of that. Like, he assaulted her and like gave her this curse. And then I'm like, mate, did she give it to somebody else and present? That's what I, when you said she went to prison and came out, I was like, she gave that to someone else. Someone else has that poltergeist now. Never even thought of that. Well, I gotta say though, it follows is an amazing movie because one thing is, it doesn't use like special effects and it doesn't have a big budget. They just made. Herbillage. Yeah, kind of like with Blair Witch.

It's like they made something amazing using the resources and the budget and stuff that they had. And it was like written and directed in accordance with their capabilities and their resources. So good. And the music, the score for that. Oh, that was good. So good. And the music, the score for it was so good. I saw that movie in theaters, and I just remember being terrified for weeks.

Oh, there's so many parts of that. The really tall guy is the one he comes into the room for some reason that just sent me. So it's the naked lady outside the parking lot. Oh, he's the parking yeah, that's freaky. Don't love it. Or the lady that comes in and like, he's on the floor. She's my least favorite.

She's kind of like a banshee. Yeah. That was very banshee vibes. Twos. Oh, man. Wow, guys, this is like really fun. We need to start a series of just like campfire tails with Jordan from the nighttime. Can we do that?

Well, next time we talk, I'll tell you it truly. Well, like we said at the beginning of this, the worst monsters are people. Next time we talk, we'll get into a story that's unlike any you've ever heard. Oh, yeah, it's not mythology and no, unfortunately, it's real. There's some true crime. It's gonna be a lot, but stay tuned because it's coming up. You haven't seen the last of Jordan by the way. I heard the last. They're not seeing you. You haven't seen the last. We haven't though. So there's that truth. But it's a shame they don't see it because Elena's by my book, talk about my book, sure, is. It's true. It's true. What is on your shirt? Is it stranger things? It is stranger things. As you're sitting on a throne of booker and rent books. Yeah, literally. I'm like, what?

You're too. Oh my god. I just dropped my book. I just dropped my book that I wrote. Sorry. Oops. Yeah, this is it's stranger things and it's max floating. I like it. And it has the little like running up that hill. I like it. Well, this has been a blast. I would do this every day. It's so much fun. We're doing to do this again. We don't even have to record it.

We can talk stuff anytime. We'll just talk about cryptids together. Well, thank you again. And where can everybody find you? Anywhere they find morbid podcasts, they can find the nighttime podcasts, and they can find Canadian crime, mysteries, weird stories, all sorts of things. But very much in line, what I do is very much in line

with what you all do. The only difference really is that it's generally me interviewing a guest and all the stories I feature are set and based in Canada. And there's a delightful Canadian accent. A touch to it. Like our Canadian counterparts. Exactly. There you go.

All right. Well, everybody, we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it. Weird. That's a weird thing. You don't go and listen to the nighttime podcast. Isn't that a weird shirt? Yes. Canada.

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