Morbid - Episode 371: A Spooky Sit-down with Tobias Forge from Ghost!

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

Weirdos, Ghouls and Ghulehs! We had the pleasure of sitting down to chat with Tobias Forge from Ghost today and it was magical. Aside from answering some burning fan questions, we talked music, Jack the Ripper, ghosts, movies, cringey kid questions and more. This was such a fun episode and we can't thank Tobias enough for joining us! Enjoy, friends!! We sure did.Link to official website: https://ghost-official.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Anytime. This is very exciting for me. I've been like raving about you guys for weeks, like probably months at this point. Definitely. I'm a newer ghoul. I've entered into the space very, like this year. And the way that it happened was kind of funny because I had I had no idea that I was missing out on so much. I was so mad at myself. I was like, Oh my God,

I'm so late to this game. But I what happened was one night we were recording because we have another show. It's a horror movie podcast and we usually do it late at night. And we were recording it for hours upstairs. And when we came back downstairs, my husband was sitting in the living room in the dark. And he was like, I have to tell you about something. And I was like, what? And he's like, I just heard about this band ghost. And I can't believe I didn't knew who they were.

But I just sat and listened to the entire Emperor album. And you have to listen to it. So the next like three hours, we just sat and listened to it. And we were both freaking out about it. It was like this cool little bonding thing because I haven't really felt this way about music in a while so I just I had to tell you that because I appreciate it so much that you guys have like brought that back for us. Well that's that's that's very nice to hear especially since I know that the record is like 44 minutes, so you must

have heard it several times. We literally went through every album after that. Okay, okay. Well, thank you very much. No, absolutely. And to the, to the, to the weird place. It's a great place. That's where we thrive in the weird place.

And we were, we were so upset because we found out that you were in Worcester, Massachusetts, I think it was the week before, and we had just missed you, and then you were going to a European tour. So we're like, no. It was right when you found them. No, we're like, no. Well, great news is that we tour now and then. So we're usually back somewhere in the vicinity. Again, at some point.

Well, that was the, that was what came up finally was when we saw you were coming to Providence, Rhode Island, we're like, all right, we can do that. We can make it to that one. We made it to that one. It was an amazing show. I think it was last week. Yeah, it was last week. I've never seen Elena Happier at a concert and I've gone to many concerts with her. Yeah, it was a real moment. And I also have six-year-old twin daughters. And I know you're a twin dad. I've been told that by many people now.

Correct. Correct. Yes, twin vibes. They also love ghosts now and they were very angry that they couldn't come to the show So they made me film like several videos and show them Well, I mean we were gonna be around So there's plenty of time if they still like it next time they

They're more than welcome to to come with you. Yeah. Oh, yeah We saw we saw a bunch of kids in the crowd actually when their parents So it would those like little headphones so their ears didn't get hurt. It was so cute to see Yeah, they're always a lot of kids in the crowd actually, when their parents, so with those little headphones so their ears didn't get hurt. It was so cute to see. Yeah, there are always a lot of kids in our shows. It's a very, very wide span of not only styles and sort of subcultures and to very normal looking people that just look like they just accidentally stepped into the wrong thing. But also the need to. That's actually that. That's me.

No, but it's fending. Like, yeah, I say four generations, yeah, probably. Yeah. Like, the oldest, the eldest in the room is usually, you know, old rock fans of, you know, born in the 40s, 50s, like our parent generation. And then you have the 60s, the first breed of kids and then down to the newly born. So yeah, it's a very, it's sort of a family-oriented thing, which, you know, sometimes I sort of scratch my head on that one, because there's a lot of F words and... Yeah, in Sino-Asian sun, on this, that and the other... Oh, yeah. that and the other about things going here and everywhere and stuff. So it's like, well, but okay, if people like it, I mean, I come from a very, very liberal background. So where there was hardly any censorship whatsoever in our home. So I am just glad if that, but because I've also realized growing up and especially in

As a grown-up I've understood that my my upbringing might have been a little bit of an anomaly. Yeah, so that's why I'm always a little bit of like You guys know what you're have you seen the show? Did you kick just ask you to come here? What happened? We like your band as well. OK, cool. Yeah, because I don't want to. You don't want as much as you want to provoke and all that. Or I spend my first 25 years in life

wanting to provoke and piss people off. But as a grown-up, you're a little bit more, especially in this day and age when people might react negatively in a way that is very negative to anything that they don't like or that they might find offensive or not interfering or whatever or political or anything. You don't want people to have that reaction with their kid on a rock show. No. Yeah, that's not what you need.

You're trying to have fun. They're hate for a cow. Yeah, no. Yeah. We don't need that. And that's, I think, like, because the way that obviously my girls are six years old. So there's been a lot of like, what was he saying there? And I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

Like, peanut butter, don't worry about it. Like, I'm sure interpretation. You just like the music. It's okay. You're like, go to school. Yeah, I know. I had to go through the whole, because my kids has also sort of picked up on, not only me being in a band, but also this.

Yeah, maybe this is a later question, but just on the note of how you have to explain something. And a question came my way and I was like, so my friend is saying, like, Mary on a cross is, it's kind of kinky in one way. In what way? You're like, you'll talk about it later. In what way?

To say that it's funny. No, but we have a pretty open conversation about, like, about things and I try not to divert too much and You know try not to have too many taboos You might say before a subject like this is things that you usually don't talk about but but but just because we're talking about it Let's Plow through it But you know you came to that point where it's like, because we're obviously in our family,

we speak English as well. My son even is almost more fluent in English than he is in Swedish. I mean, he speaks English very well. But sometimes, you know, I have to double check. And that's where it really comes to a point where it's like, you do know what go down means, right? It's hard to miss that. Yeah, I did then you had to okay. Yeah, okay, you know that. All right, yeah.

So in this context, it doesn't mean go down. It means like you're going down in history or you're going down as in you're falling from grace. but I wrote it in a way that makes it sound like I mean going down on. Oh, okay. That is a perfect explanation. But you have to, but how are you going to have a conversation like that if you're bound to not talk about sex or not to talk about what people do in real life? That does not work. No, not on the other hand. I'm just because we're talking about funny things here.

Years ago, when I'm not going to say who asked me me I don't want to throw anyone under the bus here But but but he but he was extremely funny even though I found it to be cringe at the time. Oh, no, we were sitting on the subway and and Stockholm and You know, there were a lot of people Sitting you know everybody's kind of silent and then one of my kids asked me like, Dad, what does vagina taste like? She's on the silent. Oh yeah, and you just see that the woman next to my kid who's just like looking at me like,

what are you gonna answer? She's like I'm waiting to see the answer. That's a lot of pressure to answer that question in front of a train full of people. Oh yeah that is that's amazing. Yeah. Mike drop. Wow that's like parenthood right there. That's a win though. Yeah well that depends on what depends on what I answered That's very true. I'm gonna go that far So you don't have to just that was amazing. You had some questions. You had some questions Yeah, well first of all I agree with you that like sugar coating stuff to kids Doesn't really work that well So we were there we're of the same mind that way I try to be not

So we're aware of the same mind that way I try to be not scary when I answer things like About like death and all that because they're six now, so those kind of things are coming up You go just far enough just yeah, I give you the facts Otherwise, they're gonna later be like you lied to me. Yeah, yeah No, I think you should avoid that to the best of your ability exactly but I'm gonna take like a hard shift here because one of the songs that I love off of Impara is Rispite on the Spittelfields. It's like one of my favorites.

And I know that it's like about the aftermath of Jack the Ripper and you know, how everyone was kind of living in fear and there was no real conclusion to that case. And we actually just did a five part series on Jack the Ripper where I think I had like almost 80 pages of research at the end of it, it was wild. Selena did a quick dissertation.

Yeah, just like I could not stop. It just, that case sucked me right in. And I had to ask, because I know that you are at least like mildly interested in that case. I'm obsessed with it. Oh, I love to hear it. I love to ask, because I know that you are at least like mildly interested in that case. I'm obsessed with it. I love to hear it. I love to hear it.

I love to hear it. That's exactly the answer I was hoping for. So the double event with Liz stride in cathornedos. Do you think that was a double event? Do you think Liz was a river victim? Or you just think she was just lumped in there? I am, as convinced as you can be without having been there, which obviously means that you can never know for certain,

but I think everything proves, everything is pointing at that double event being an actual deed of Jack the Ripper. And the reason why that happened was that he for once Chose not to do it for in the morning on a normal weekday and it did it Outside as normal pattern as well because it was very near where his mother lived so oh I didn't even know that he probably did it He probably did it after or in some sort of conjunction with having been to his mother because apparently it's... Yeah, because I do believe they know, they know.

We know everything points to a certain person. Because there's a general misconception when it comes to Jack the Ripper as a phenomenon, and as a time or as an event, so a series of events, which is kind of mind blowing, considering what we do know now about serial killers. Anyone is interested in serial killers and we do know a lot now about basically the general background of a person like that.

And there's a lot of general basically the general background or a person like that. And there's a lot of general reoccurring features among these predominantly male figures in a certain age of a certain social class and background and just marital status and all that. And somehow those facts have not been applied to the case of Jack the Ripper. this fascination and this fixation of it being someone that was from a different social class than was predominantly in the White Chapel area. And that defines sort of like everything that we know about how every other serial killer

has ever done it. And also, bear in mind, in Whitechapel at the time, if there would be an aristocrat just wall-sing in there with all clean clothes, that person would stand out like a shining, big... That is very true. Throwing glittering thumb. like big. That is very true. Throwing glittering thumb. So that is that is out of the question, like that that wouldn't

happen. So it's it's it's using using the razor vacuum, it's it's a local person. And he's going to fall in, It's a local person And he's kind of fallen he's kind of fallen to the criteria of the normal serial killer you know between 30 and 40 Broken back broken home background Problem with this that the other a social like all of those features that that for some some reason they've never spoken about that It's always some some weirdo who's like well-known and Who had a fascination to co- to openly do this weird thing collect that or you know who and and

Basically one thing that is mind-blowing about this theory, which is presented in a book and is also presented in a documentary on BBC. If it wasn't BBC, it was one of those English channels, is that, and this is the mind blowing bit about the theory, is that if you've seen more than one, and you're interested in, but one documentary or read one book about Jack Derripper, and if you have somewhat interested in, you know that the sequence of events somewhat and you know the the basic characters and the character that they're pointing at is someone that we all have seen we all know about that person

and that is the mind boggling revelation because all of a sudden you see him right there. And if you know about who it is, you can go back and rewatch everything that you've ever seen and read it. And now knowing that that is the person you're just like, holy shit. That's him. Yeah, because he was one of the persons who found one of the bodies. And the reason why he, it's believed that he found it was because another person came and saw him and he was smart enough to just stand up and said, oh, found this woman over

here. I know exactly who you're talking. Smart enough to just stand and he stand up stood up and said, oh, I'll find this woman over here I know exactly who you're talking. Oh, and this And this other person came and just like oh shit. Oh, you're like oh no police We don't know Maybe we should powder up. He says the other person that came to person one, and he says, no, we shouldn't do that. Person number two looks at the body and sees no blood, but the coat is being closed up all the way up to your shinline basic rate. And then he says, we should go and find a police officer. And they both leave around the corner.

They bump into a police officer. Person number one, who was standing first at the body, he says to person number two, hold on a second, I'm going to go talk to the police officer. He went over and said, Mr. Police Officer, a colleague of yours was asking for assistance around the corner because he found a body over there. All right, said the police officer and run around the corner and ran towards where the body was lying.

And this is the fucking magic here is that when he sees at the other end of the street, another police officer had already found the body. So when he runs over and sees the police officer right next to the body and those other two, they have already left. He thinks nothing of it because he was tricked into believing that that police officer was already there. Still, the murder had an incredible luck that he was just going to faint like the like a lord this police officer out of his way but luckily his lie turned out to be true and that's how we escaped. That is pretty genius.

Because when they come to the end, because when then obviously when the police officers met over the corpse or over the dead body. It was drenched in blood. So what that tells you is that at the moment when person number two comes up to person number one, there was no blood. That was because the blood was, he, the blood was so fresh. Yeah. It just happened.

And he always strangled them before he started cutting, starting from because he was a butcher. He knew perfectly well that if you're going to cut into meat, you need to stop the blood flow. Otherwise, you will have blood all over the place. So he knew perfectly well how to strangle first and then you start Maming because the maming that was not how he killed them. You did the maming that was part of the lust ritual Yeah, but his name is

is known and That's the guy That's the guy must be a man. He's a piece. Yeah, and they can connect him to all the murders. His mom lived down there by the double event. And he grew up north. He grew up south of, was it called, White Chapel Road, the big long one that sort of crosses like into the whole map of the murders. And the double event was the only thing that happened south of that street. And

that's where his mother lived and that's where he grew up. Yeah, I didn't know that part about the mom living there. And that's after like 80 pages of research. There's always more to learn. There's always more in this case. This has been, because this is a very unsexy version of the story because he's just a local. He's just a local dude. And he works as a carman. And he was handling meat.

He was driving out. He had like a big, you know, big cart with horses. And his work was in the morning, early morning hours to distribute meat to butcher. Butchers. So he could also pass very easily, in case he was dirty or had any, he was already dressed for that.

Right. That's one of the things we were pointing out that it had to be somebody that could walk away, covered in blood. And nobody would blink an eye, which is why we were saying a butcher would make sense. But my only thing was it was the anatomical knowledge of the human body. That's the only thing that kept me from fully believing

it was a butcher. Oh, he automatically, I mean a body, what you have to understand about bodies is how to sever and you have to have tools and simple things like knowing how to separate things from bone or bones that detaching. And of course he knew that. He worked with that all day. That is true. That's all about that.

Yeah, I'm an autopsy technician. So I think I was like super critical of the, what's your theory first? Because I was like, where did you know how to find like a woman's ovaries? Where, like what? You're like, I spent a lot of time learning that. But it's true that it's like a very specialized, skilled thing.

And there is always the thing that it could have been luck that he could find these things. It would just be hard. That's why I have trouble landing like fully on one that I believe. But that one makes sense. And I know exactly where you're talking about. I know, there. Yeah, first name, Charles. Yep.

Yeah. And another misconception in order to fully realize his, the story about him, if you sort of strike out the word Jack the Ripper as the sort of Shapoclack-quaring aristocrats, of strike out the word Jack the Ripper as the sort of shop of clock wearing a aristocrats which is like the common shadow caricature of him. If you sort of look at him and you disregard the the idea of the canonical five and put in rather in a context where they actually did find bodies before and also after. You also see the

trajectory where the canonical five is sort of in the middle where even within the canonical five it goes from pretty basic using being here, but from a very basic stabbing to absolute carnage. Yeah, absolute carnage. There are a few before that are mild and it ends up after the canonical five being body parts scattered. And like a torso that was found floating in the river then.

So it just paints a picture rather of this person who was a pretty classical serial killer. And I think that that is a very interesting story. May really is. And it really does make sense with like the escalation. And I think you're right that people put it into this like nightmare fairy tale kind of thing instead of looking at what it was, which is just a straight up serial killer,

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I mean as certain as I can be like I am a certain certain as I can be because I I just look into him more now I've seen I've seen enough various stories and representations and documentaries and through this whole story. And I've seen enough mass-mer, serial-mer, serial killers and read about them to understand, to see the connection and see the simplicity. It's usually not as complex. You don't. them to understand, to see the connection and see the simplicity. It's usually not as complex. You don't. Very true.

Walk over the stream to find water. It's usually not that hard. And all the other stories are just complicated. And most of them are stories, as I said, that where the accusation of guilt is thrown from one social class to another, and it's usually from the lower up. Very true. And I don't think that there's a coincidence that many of them are either royal or Jews or this that or the others, the people that that would, especially back then, people would love to see guilty of something.

Absolutely. Kind of situation. Oh, yeah, there was so much of that in this case. I could go like on and on. I was like, Sir Charles Warren, I could go on and on. We could be here for like four hours, I wish. But thank you so much for answering those questions, because I really wanted to know your opinion on this. And now I'm going to look further into Charles, because we mentioned him when we talked about him, but I didn't go too far into him.

And now I'm like, huh, a little further. Because I'd like to be convinced, and that sounds pretty convincing. So, we decided to put together rapid-fire ghost questions, but not ghost the band, like paranormal ghosts, because we figured we wanted to get, you know, a different side of things. Yeah. Awesome. Sweet. So, number one, are you afraid of ghosts? I have always been afraid of the dark.

Same. And so, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I don't seem to, I mean, I try to rational. I have this mind game where I think of if I were a serial killer, you know, if I'd just been dropped one more time, you know, head first on the floor, I maybe I could have been one. And if I were, theoretically, I could be, what would the odds be that I would run into some other fucking images here?

That's true. And so forth. And I like the idea of this friendly ghost that you can sort of be friends with. But regardless how much I try to see or emphasize and I it never really works that way. It always, my imagination always screws with me. But that's why I try to avoid being, I would never be alone in like a house or something like that. We live in the park. So I couldn't do it. Yeah, I'm the same way. I don't, I don't like the dark either. And like I have to sleep with a light on and like sound, because I can't

handle like silence and quiet and darkness, but I think I think with ghosts, it's the spontaneity of ghosts that I don't like. Like I don't even know if I'm scared of ghosts. I just don't like that they don't plan or warn me when they come. Like I don't announce their presence. Yeah, I don't want to be surprised by anything and like they always surprise you. So yeah, I'm going to say no, I'm afraid of ghosts. I would love for that sort of gentle knock before. Yeah, yeah, just a little bit. A little something. Hello, I'm coming.

Yeah. And then you can make a decision. Sorry, I'm sorry, please. Oh no, you're fine. Then it's a yes or no. I answer the door. I don't. I can say no, no, right now. Yeah, you have, you have an option in this scenario. I agree with that. I think I'm really just scared of the very scary ghosts, like poltergeist that want to mess with you and can come through your electronics. I'm not really into that.

But in our childhood, homelina and I grew up in the same house. And we've mentioned it before in episodes, we had tons of ghosts in that home in so many paranormal experiences. And in a weird way, some of the experiences made me feel protected. Like there was somebody if I was at home alone and I did, like we've said it before, there'd be like a perfume waf that would go value and you would just feel this overwhelming sense of calm. So those go some cool with. Yeah. The the menacing ones I don't like. I would say number two, are you a Casper, Patrick Swaisy, or Beetle Juice Guy?

Uh, I have to choose. There's a reason for me to address myself and behave like more like a Beetle Juice Guy on stage. Um, probably a little bit more Swaisy, I guess. I don't know, actually. I love that. I don't know, actually. I love that. I don't have a fun answer on that one. No, that was a great answer.

But there's a reason that I'm flipping between personalites. That makes sense. Yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah. I'm about you, Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. No explanation, just on Beetlejuice. OK, I'm Casper all the way, because I'd like to think

of myself as friendly. Yeah, that makes sense. Perfect. Well, the thing I'm Casper all the way because I'd like to think of myself as friendly. Yeah, that makes sense. Perfect. Well, the thing I'm just going to cut in here and just go. No, go ahead. Sure. One thing that I've always had very, very vivid dreams. Me too. And still, as a grownup, even though I don't understand that I'm dreaming and always, but if I understand that I dream, I still, when I was a kid, I could fly all the time, but still, as long as I know, it's a dream I can fly in the dream. And another thing that I've learned in the dream, which is actually quite handy when it comes to scary things, is always to attack. You always attack whatever you see in the dream that is threatening. Even though it might sort of go against your intuition,

you just have to remind yourself, like hit first, just fucking, you know, attack. First ask questions later. Yeah, apologize later. Yeah, as soon as you see me a scary like stairway or something, that's dark. Just just run up, right, run down it, just jump down. And that usually shifts the dream just like, root, and all of a sudden it's under control. It does. You take the power. Because usually when I can realize that it's a dream, I just, I'm going to try that next time because I can lose a dream a lot. And usually I'll realize it's a dream and

something terrible is about to happen. I get annoyed. Like my first thought is like, oh, like I get super annoyed. And I just like run the other way. See, I can switch dreams when I'm dreaming. Like I can go somewhere else and turn it into a different dream. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Damn. I want to try all this stuff. I'm just like, I don't like that scenario. I'm going to go over here. You guys are getting stuff done in your dreams.

I'm just like, oh, this is annoying. I'm going to run the other way. So what would be your favorite type of ghost? Like a poltergeist, Victorian child, a chic ghost, an angry bride, or something we haven't mentioned. Yeah. I guess it would be a Victorian child. I know you're going to say that for some reason.

I actually, I don't know if we're sort of touching the subject later, but just generally, I am very dismissive of most horror films made last 25 years. But one group or one genre or one production house, if you want to be that sort of specific, that I really did enjoy was I basically most of the film that Guillermo del Toro. I love him. He's one of my favorites. Just because he always and I don't know if he but I guess that sort of started a little bit with the Japanese films where at the end, you know, after all these horrible things happened, there was always like a big excuse at the end. No, it was actually this deed made the kid do that this happened to the kid. So all these murders are okay.

And that is like a beautiful ending. Yeah, they're all validated because actually the person that was most the poorest was this one. So a lot of the things that he's done, you know, And so a lot of the things that he's done, you know, hero and Orfinato and a lot of those, I love those sort of when there's like a conclusion and that you feel like, wow, that was,

and it's tragic but beautiful at the same time. But they break my heart as a parent as well. I can't see them. I can never see them again. I always see them once and then I never see them. I feel that. But, so I'd probably prefer one of those if I'm gonna have something around.

It needs to be like someone like that or like an older woman or something like, but I would love for it to be kind of a, I don't like screaming. And I have a problem with people who are like twitchy. I don't like twitchy people at all. Because I'm a control freak. I like people who are like subdued. That's only a help. Yeah. So it needs to be one of those. But Victoria and I like that. And if you dress properly as well, that's in like that. There you go.

I like that. I'm taking it to a full blown place of chaos because of who I am as a human. And I would want an angry bride. Yeah, I love a good angry bride. Yeah, that makes sense. And I'm cool with yelling and grumbling. Screamin' brides.

Yeah, just let it all out. Yeah. And weirdly growing up, there was a three-year stint where I was a dead bride for Halloween, three years in a row. There's probably some psychology behind that. I'm sure there is. So I felt like I had to choose angry bride. You're manifesting that, I think.

Yeah, in some way. I think, you know what, I would want a Victorian person. I don't know if I'd want a child because I think it would just make me cry. But I think an older Victorian woman, there you go. I could get down with. You have a lot of kids to take care of already. I do, so I feel like it's, you know,

and again, I would just cry and I don't wanna cry. Also, Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone are like, two of my favorite movies just had to throw that out there. But the next question would be, when you become a ghost, are you gonna be a sheet ghost? Are you gonna be a quilt ghost, a fancy lace curtain ghost,

checkered tablecloth ghost? What kind of ghost? What are you gonna wear? Are you gonna wear a sheet, a blanket? When you said sheet ghost, I came to think about the grudge, you know, the ghost that's what appears in between the sheets. Yep. And you know, even though in between the sheets

is a good position to be in. But I'm, but it's a funny, if you're the, the ghost stir, I, I would assume that it's a very effective way to sort of terrifying people. I don't think so. I know. But I, I guess I more realistically would be sort of ponder that would walk around aimlessly and amongst, you know, the old stuff. I kind of like imagine a ghost version of citizen Kane in the end.

Oh. You know, because I'm a collector, so I have a lot of, like, I like to collect a lot of stuff. And I'm sure I sort of end up with roaming around all that stuff. Just with all your stuff. Oh no, you just made me think,

rethink this now. Because I also collect a lot of stuff and I'm like, very true. Oh no, I didn't even think of that, that I'm just gonna be roaming around my, I guess that's fine though. I'll just be roaming around and my stuff. You know what, you made me feel better,

but it's all stuff that you love. I would you not wanna roam around in it for eternity? Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, all right. And other people's. And if my stuff is lost, then I'm gonna be that sheet ghost. Exactly, there you go.

There you go. Yep, there you go. See, I would wanna be like a sheet ghost, but I think I would end up being like a furry blanket ghost because that's just like how I live. Because you like to become a, I just always am in a furry blanket. I want to be a fancy lace ghost

because I'm not that fancy currently in like real life. So I, in the after life, I want to be a little more fancy. I think you're pretty fancy. I think that's, I mean, I'm wearing a Johnny Cupcake sweatpants right now, so I appreciate that. You know, I think that's, I mean, I'm wearing a Johnny Cupcake sweatpants right now, so I appreciate that. You know, it's all relative. It's fine. Next question is Ouija boards. Are you four or against them? Because people have very serious thoughts about them.

I am probably an against person. Yes. I find I find them to be irritable, irritably fake. That is true. So we're against them for different eyes. And you know, I split my brain into very much when it comes to belief and knowledge and humility in front of the fact that I don't know everything. But as much as I do believe that there is a great universe that we don't understand. I'm also pragmatic enough to shoot down anyone who says that they understand because that is bullshit because they don't know. So I'm all open for paranormal activity, but I also know that you wrote a bullshit book about it. Don't know shit. So, and we do board since it has, I think it's pre-

well-established fact, also being one that I've tried it, that there's always someone fucking moving that little... Yeah. Cup around. It's very true. That's what I'm like, I like straddle a little, like I don't really care either way, like I'm not super against them and I'm not like, yes, we gibwards, but I kind of feel the same way that I'm like, I don't know if anything bad would happen because everyone I've ever

done, like I've done them growing up and someone was always moving that thing. So I've never had an experience that was like a ghost came through and we were followed for 10 years and don't ever touch it. So I'm just kind of like, I don't know if you want to do it, you want to do it. Yeah, for me, I told a lady, I think I should be exempt from this question because I'm very against personal use of them. I've had friends in the past and kind of like what you were saying to bias. I feel like there's a lot out there that we don't know about.

And there could be very easy ways to open those channels and we don't know how to close them. So I'm all set with that. I think that's bloody marries. When I heard you heard that, I think about a drink, but my favorite drink is... We had... Oh, what was it called? I think that the most commonly similar game was called Svartamadam, which is the black madam.

I think that that was similar. So I can't really really, I don't know exactly what Bloody Mary, the game is. How do you play that? It's different for everybody. It is. We grew up playing a similar version, but yours varies a bit. So it usually starts off with you have a mirror in front of you and you're usually in the dark. Usually we were always supposed to be in the bathroom. And you say her name a certain amount of times in the mirror. OK, it's exactly like SWATAMAM. Oh, OK, cool.

Yours just has a way cooler name. I was going to say it sounds way cooler. But we also had this weird little modified version that now, especially as an adult, I'm like, wow, that's rude. Because you were supposed to stand there and say the bloody Mary however many times, and then you were supposed to say, I have your baby. That's real weird. Which now, as an adult, I'm like, I would come scratch you out of a mirror too, if I were her. Like, are you kidding me? And I don't remember what the whole thing behind that was. It was like this witch who got her baby stolen. And you were supposed to be like,

I have a baby and then be upset when she comes through the mirror. That's wild. But yeah, I never really did it. I was too scared to do it. I remember doing Bloody Mary once and being so terrified, I shrieked downstairs through like my whole entire house

and I got in so much trouble. I love that. Yours definitely sounds way better than bias. I'm not gonna lie, for sure. Just for the name alone. Yeah it's a catchy name. It is. So the last one I'll ask in these ones so we can get to the listener questions. If you had to have a famous person's ghost What would you choose? Ooh. Good question. I mean, I'm a, I like, I'm a sort of a generally a laughing person. And it would help.

It would be practical if it was someone who's kind of funny. Yeah. But the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the know Richard prior. Maybe. Oh, that's a good. Yeah, there you go. So unlike that. I like Robin Williams. So that, you know, I can sort of loosely sort of joke with all the time. That's a good answer. Yeah, so it helps. I mean in our home, I'm very sort of, I just make noises and jokes and try to... I always try to... I don't know how to explain my behavior, but it's very...

And just because I'm hanging out with my wife, who's kind of similar, and our kids who are now like, you know, we're all sort of the same size nowadays. And so it's like four people at home. So all sort of behave the same, it is a similar way where there's sort of trigger words that just unleashes this sort of series of words

that sort of echoes throughout the apartment. I'm a little bit like that. I'm just like, it's a good way. Yeah, it just swear words and certain if someone sort of says a certain word, I have to echo that. Yeah. And obviously now I'm just scratching at the surface of like a whole slew of internal jokes. But anyone who's going to haunt our house needs to be in on that

otherwise, be weird. Yeah. Or else they won't say that. I love that. I'm tribute with your own stuff as well. Yeah, you gotta go. I can't just sit here and feed off of our jokes. You have to contribute.

Yeah, be original, okay. It's not a free show here. You have to contribute. Exactly. I love, okay? It's not a free show here, you have to contribute. Exactly. Exactly. I love that. Who would yours be, Alina? I would say David Bowie.

Just one, so I could look at David Bowie. And two, his outfits are great. So I feel like they would always just, yeah, you know, it would always like cheer me up. He can sing to me, he can pretend to be Jarrett's from the Labyrinth. I would always like cheer me up. He can sing to me. He can pretend to be gerraths from the labyrinth. I Would make him do that daily. He's a multi-faceted character. Yeah, I think it would be great. That's a good choice.

Kind of being it happens actually. I'm hoping I'm just manifesting it. I'm talking about it. We can summon him later Yeah, I would say mine would have to be Tom Petty like for similar reasons to you. He could sing to me They're like a tar. He's also friends with very cool people who would like come hang out with us. Oh, that's a good point. When Stevie nicks crosses over God forbid someday, she could come over. We could have a lot of fun. It'd be great. I think it sounds great. I think we all nailed that one, guys.

Also, my husband sings 90s R&B ballads all the time. So our house is very similar. So I think we'll end on the listener questions just so we can make sure we get some of those in. Definitely. Because people are very excited to hear you answer their questions. Okay. So the first one comes from Rachel and Justin and they want to know when will we ever see the quote unquote film project briefly mentioned a couple of years ago or do a horror film project in general. Let's just say that there are any horror film and another film project is not necessarily the same. There are several

ideas. And one or several might come to fruition within a few years. Oh sweet, that was a great answer. All right, our next question comes from Anita McCormick and also myself because I'm a cat person. We want to know how many cats you have. I have no cats, unfortunately. No cats. I wish I had. No, I am very, very, very much a cat person. I love cats, but one problem is that my daughter

is allergic to them. That's not great. And that great. Which, you know, we can circumvent that by, you know, there are certain cats that are aren't, that doesn't have that dandruff situation. But on the other hand, it's also like a very, it will prohibit a little bit of our lifestyle. Like it's not. And because we don't live in a house, so they can't be out, so you have to have them inside.

And currently, I think we all feel that one day if we ever live in a penthouse, that's big enough to sort of roam around. Because you won't have two cats, that's why you want them to have come, like a friend. And it needs to be big enough for them to be drum roll around and so we don't have that yet. Well I hope you get it some day and you could get one of those like a sphinx cat the naked cats. Yeah exactly.

There you go. Yeah no I'd love that as well. I mean I like those cats as well so it's like yeah I'm I love cats I have have cats when I was little. So I miss, I don't miss him. He was a crazy cat. Yeah, he scratched my face. And unfortunately, after that, he attacked me and then unfortunately, they put him to rest. And that was very sad. I didn't want that to happen when he was a crazy cat. Tomatizing. When you know he was attacking everyone. Yeah. Can't have a lot. Now, it wasn't traumatizing to me.

It was like because I loved it. So I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's fine. Scratch me again. He didn't mean it. Yeah, he didn't mean it. The aftermath is traumatizing. Yeah. I would say.

Yeah. We have three or I have three very chill cats, so I've recently become a cat person. And I am a dog person, but I won't let that stand in the way of our friendship to bias. We'll get through it together. I've been okay with Ashes cats, but my cats love you. They do. They do. We get along. So maybe, maybe, but I'm a dog person. But the next question is from Audrey. And she says outside of Elizabeth's bouterie, and Jack the Ripper, is there any ghost song or will there be any future ghost song with inspiration from true crime?

Possibly. I I can't promise anything, but why not? I have many records to write. I'd love to hear that. Sooner or later, as well. It's a Russian. When the inspiration comes, no, you have to promise right now. We need it in writing. Okay.

I'll send that later, guys. Cool, thanks. Our next one, question comes from ShayQ, and they say Tobias, I'm wondering if in light of the religious and mythology-related subjects, you have a similar experience of choosing to walk away from an organized religion that no longer served you, or if it's more of an outside observation. Somewhere in between, as I said, I grew up in a very liberal home where religion had no place that I grew up in a very liberal home where religion had no place, more so than from a cultural aspect, like more like a pop culture aspect. It was part of, we were high consumers of TV,

radio, films, music, so the concept and art, because my mother worked with art. So the concept of religion was ever represented in film and art and music. So I already knew from as long as I can remember, I was fascinated by the idea of the history. And of course, as any kid, you start asking yourself about God and anything beyond the realm of what you can fathom. But I think that there were a few things that sort of outside my home that really colored my stance on as to how I felt about religion as a more of an organized social exercise. And one of them was my first teacher that I had grade one, too. She was a very mean, very mean like disciplinarian woman. And you know, this was the 80s and she was

probably just about to throw her towel in at that point. I think she would she retired like a year after you asked for something like that. She was very old for us obviously, being like if she was 65 in the mid-80s, later 80s, she was very old school. And I remember her telling, I don't know, she told the whole group, but I think I remember, at least I was in the room, when she told me, or she looked away, looked at my direction and say that, you know, we're not allowed to hit the children anymore.

But if I could, I would. Oh my god. She's up like that. She's just very up front. So she, oh yeah, yeah, and she did not like me at all. She was very upset with just because I wasn't... I was never very good at school and I've always been kind of anti-authority. But, you know, and I was foul mouthed, I was swearing a lot. And so I mean, I have no problem looking back

and seeing like I probably provoked her a lot. But my memory of her, because she, from what I recall, and if any one of my old school friends ever hear this and they say like, no, no, no, that's not true. Maybe wasn't, but my memory of it was that she was implementing an abnormal amount of biblical theory and biblical class on us. And she was also very righteous and she combined her religious belief with meanness and very condescending. And she was very angry all the time.

I remember I did a double knot on my shoes, so I went in and asked if she could help me untie it. And she was like, oh, give me that. I don't think that's right. And you know, you just get a yelling for anything you do. And, and my relationship with her was combined with several others that was religious people who were actually kind of mean.

So I got the impression that this is just bullshit. This is bullshit. I can separate, and I think for as long as I can remember, I can separate the history lesson of the Bible. Yeah, there was this dude born 2,000 years ago was this dude born 2,000 years ago that had ideas and he started this little cult and then he got trash for it. That's not hard to understand. Nope.

And yeah, because that doesn't really fit into our story, you know, so we have to sort of curate it a little. And you know, so a lot of those thought processes started for me very early, especially as soon as I, you know, when I, when I sort of became a satanist was, it was, if it was, if it was not on the day, but it was pretty much exactly coinciding with my adolescence. So that became a very powerful tool to oppose anything that I found stupid or weak or hypocritical. And I still think it is. I look at many of the most vocal religious people in your media climate or whatever or around you that are claiming righteous thoughts about what to do with female bodies or Whatever it is and it's all stems from

evil ignorance and just pure low life dumb assness yep wow Every week I know Yep, wow, do I come on the show every week? I know And yeah, it's I still find it as provoking and as much you know as I as a when I was a child And I and it makes me just want to Screen in rock

Scream it rock and rock. It's screaming rock. They're loud, I have noxious rock nature. It seems to be like a lot of people's experience when they're, when they like take themselves away from religion is they see people who are not practicing what they preach. Like it's the exact opposite because it's supposed to be like preaching kindness and goodness and that's all great and it's like awesome. And you can do that outside.

Like love thy neighbor and all that and it's like awesome. And you can do that outside, like love thy neighbor and all that and it's like, all right, cool, that sounds great. But then you meet like someone like your teacher and you're like, how though, like how does this correlate? No, I'm not practicing with the breach. Just help me on time, I shoe, please. Yeah, well, I think it's, you know, if you want to be the more sober person in the room

and just look at it, you understand that there are, there are other aspects usually rooted in the reason why people utilize religion as a life code that more than often sort of subject others to grief and torment. But again, how much of a slack do you want to give people? You can't let's just look at anyone and just like, oh man, you know, if he or she was just a little bit happier, you will understand that that is a bad, bad judiciary. So it doesn't, you can't, some people are just fucking dumb. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people should be put out of our misery.

But all I can do is rock. That's all we have. And that's my lot in life. And I am very lucky with my lot. So. We're happy you found your lot in life. I know. Thank you for answering that. The next one that I'm going to ask you is from Sime. She says, growing up in Sweden,

what was the scariest urban legend or story you were told as a child? Does horror as a genre differ in Scandinavia versus the United States? So it's like a two-parter. I think a lot of folklore is similar, just because Sweden is a very what would be the word rural it's very nature-esque a lot of forest creeps valleys you know rivers so and we have a lot of, since this is an old country as well, you have to remember that, you know,

it's been a functioning, somewhat functioning country for 1000 years. So it has a lot of old tradition of trolls and a lot of various forest beings and different weird characters that live near the stream and underneath the waterfall. And it's a lot of folklore that is based on nature and the nocturnal side of the forest. And I find many of them to be equally fascinating as terrifying. Especially if you look from a historic perspective, which I always like that.

I mean, I'm very interested in history, but also trying to understand the psyche of people historically, and you have to realize that people, not very long ago, as much as, you know, there's of simple, tonnary nowadays. There was obviously of the standard mindset hundreds of years ago were pretty uninformed. And it must have been a terrifying environment to live in. Not only just a hundred years ago, you could kill people left, right, in the center. If you had more than one brain cell, you could get away with killing people. So easy. Just because forensic forensics was not up to

snuff. Oh, yeah. So on the one hand, you had the real life that was just filled with bandits, murderers, and rapists that would come and rape your wife and kill your children and rob you. But on the other hand, as soon as you sort of veered away from society, you had the very, very threatening forest outside your door as well with with trolls and vets and all kinds of things Very very very Yeah, and oh let alone the wrath of God. You know, oh yeah, no So always that yes, so yeah horrible times You know good times good to they all live through it for us to sit here

That's true, you know, I've I did what what most people or most people but a lot of people have done the last couple years And I did the whole ancestry thing and you know build my my family tree and and I just Found it to be, yeah, very, I got very touched when you see all these people who's lived their lives and tried to survive and through hundreds of years, throughout wars and all kinds of famine and all these things, just to survive and sort of try to get a little bit ahead and for the next generation to do a little bit better. And that sort of put me in the mindset that you're just a one part of this tree that will continue growing, hopefully.

I mean, just because my branch, for some, if that would end, the brand, it's as so many branches. That's also like a mind-blowing thing where you're doing that. I have relatives all over the world, like in America, tons, so many. Just because there was a great migration wave in Sweden in the mid to late 1800s. And that, you know, you put you in a, you sort of see a little bit of a, you understand that you're just one part and your job is to just push it forward and do the best you can do in order to just make it a little bit better for the future.

But you're out eventually. That's a good way of working out. You're doing it for all these people because otherwise what they will have done is for nothing. Not for nothing. Yeah. Because they obviously did it for their future. But yeah, I think that that is important to understand that you're just a part of a flow. Yeah, I love that's the perfect way of looking at that. It's like I forget where I heard it, but it's like your legacy is like planting a garden that you don't get to see.

Yeah, you just leave it for everybody else. And to circle back on supernatural things, what I was was what my my where it originated was That all these people lived through not only wars and horrors, but also the whole these fucking Threats of this that of the other of the wolf coming eating your kid and then the bears and the boars and And yeah, all the weird things that we have in our forest that actually does exist right? Yeah Yeah. I love that. I mean, I know forest, man. I think we need to be so beautiful. I think we might have done an episode where we mentioned one. I don't remember now.

I'll have to look at it. There's some scary ones. There are for sure. But I'm happy that you touched on history because it actually leads into the next question. Scarlett A says, can you please ask St. Tobias patron, St. of rats? If he was able to have dinner with any historical figure,

who would that be? Just because we mentioned in writing a moment ago, I would probably, and I'm now going to out his name here, but I would love to have a dinner with Charles Lexington. There you go. That would be very interesting. I would. You get a lot of answers to a lot of questions.

And you know what? I would like you to have dinner with him because now I want to know. And you can work more fast. Yeah, I'm high and worse than we just assuming that he will confess. But what does he got to lose at this point? You know, exactly. Let's do it. It's all you have to say to him like, what do you have to lose?

Yeah, you're dead. You're good. I won't tell anyone, just whispers. But, you know, if I could curate this meal, it would probably be in the 20s because he died in 1921. Oh, you. So you'd want to catch him, you know, not maybe 1921, but, you know, when he's definitely think he's in the clear, you know, in 1910s or something like that. Maybe in April to 1912, and you can, you know, directly after the sinking of the Titanic, and you sort of talk about that first, and then you just need to remain into, yeah. I like that.

You gain his trust first. Yeah, you get a little segue in there and commiserate over the sadness of the Titanic. Right. You're like speaking of sadness. Do you know the murder of these people? It's pretty sad. I like that. I think it would work.

So the next question we have is from Bianca. And Bianca says, I hope you're doing well and staying safe. As the spooky season is upon us, Halloween traditions and rituals help keep the spirit alive. This is beautifully written. My go to is watching horror movies all month long with the lights dimmed or by candlelight, then dressing up scary and passing out candy. Do you have any particular way you celebrate for the months or any horror movies that are your go-to? Not really.

You just hang, it's spooky season all year. That's how we are. No, yeah, you think, yeah, that's funny. I mean, I've heard myself saying like, when someone was inviting us to leave you know you go to a masquerade I'm like I don't have a lot of costumes and yeah I don't dress up normally no and I'm a very very big fan of of Halloween I'm a very, very big fan of Halloween. I'm a very big fan of, I mean, as the season.

And the holiday, what are you calling it? In Sweden, we have a school break just around that time. Oh, lucky. And obviously in Sweden, also being a sort of a tiger and forest country, you know, on the northern hemisphere, also for us, Halloween is obviously very, very autumnal. So it's just a very, very cozy cozy is the word. It's very cozy part of the year, point of time in the year. But the thing is that you have to remember is that in Sweden we did not celebrate Halloween

before. It was a commercial amendment that I would say maybe with the odd exception of some theme party at some point and before that. But it was basically people, I think, our age that started doing it in the late 90s, mid to late 90s. And that's why I was. More as a tribute to what we've seen on the films and back then you couldn't like buy Halloween stuff that way. We have a we have a similar day there. It's also within honors of the dead. The same as the monotus. It's also on the 2nd of November, 1st of November, or something like that. Is it all how-as-you?

Yeah, but the whole practice of Halloween with pumpkins and all that stuff. You had to do everything in the 90s. You had to sort of create all the things. And so it became very, and nowadays, you know, there's this whole package, you can just go buy everything. And it's almost as a commercial holiday as it is here in America. Oh wow.

Which I like, I like it. So I'm all for it. But therefore, there's no real rooted tradition. We don't have a culinary tradition. There's not a tradition rooted in our upbringing or anything. So I think that we're still feeling it out. That makes sense. Yeah.

But we have friends who, one thing that we do, we have a friend of the family is, long story short, he owns amusement parks. And we usually on Halloween, we go together with him and his family we go down to one of the amusement parks which is a zoo out in the forest and a park full with animals and stuff and they usually decorate it. Halloween like and you go through the park and that's a nice sort of a tumble tradition. And then we, you know, stay at the hotel there, which is right in the wilderness. That's nice.

Yeah, that sounds really cool. I was gonna say that's spooky at least. That's kind of like similar to what we have with the the Jackal Inter in spectacular. Thank you. We have something similar, not as cool as that, because it's not like in the wilderness, but it's out of zoo. And so it's at night, so all the animals are around, and they have like thousands of

carved pumpkins that they light up. And the heads, and the other things. Yeah, it's just this like huge labyrinths that you go through, so we do that every year too, so that's pretty similar. But it's like if you don't have it when you grow up, like you were saying, I didn't think of that, but like if it's not ingrained in you from like a very young age, it would be like, yeah, I don't like, we don't have traditions. Right. Because we didn't start with it.

I didn't even think of that because I'm just like Halloween from birth. No, but on the other hand, the trick or treat thing is very similar to what we do in Easter. Oh, so that's interesting. Yeah. Oh, so it's interesting. Yeah, so when you were a kid, around Easter, that was when you went around asking for candy. Oh, that makes a little more sense, actually. Yeah, we just have a bunny coming to us. Yeah, he like breaks into your home and just leaves you candy. Yeah, we just have a home invasion.

Well, that bunny's not real. So, no. Oh, there it is. I'm just saying that. You just shut it to the last. We just sort of shuffled around the traditions, I guess. That makes sense. But, yeah, but I'm a big fan of Halloween. I like that.

Good commercial holiday. Very cozy. I agree. Comkins for life. Comkins forever. Well, our next question comes from Francis and they said, if I could ask Mr. Forge a question, it would simply be what makes you happy? There are there are many things that make me happy and I I like when one of the best feelings I can ever have is

be with my family. And there's no half-tos when I'm done working. There's not a whole lot of stuff that I need to do. That is, that is one of the weird things about getting what you wish for, because you spend so much time not being a professional at what you do, wishing to be a professional, thinking somehow that if I just get to not have a job, I can just do my, my past year in my hobby, and then you sort of reach some sort of new platform,

some sort of status quo when you're all or your problems is sort of out the window. And what I've noticed, like my working situation, because I do have a job, even though I don't feel necessarily like I have a job in the classic sense, I work all the time and I have a very hard time not working. My brain is constantly just spinning. And there are moments when I can stop doing that. And that is a very nice feeling. But that's usually when you let yourself, okay, so tonight I'm with my family,

tonight I'm with my family and my friends. I'm gonna have a GT. And I'm just gonna let it flow. I'm gonna have a GT and I'm just gonna let it flow. I feel that so much. And knowing that you're not gonna go up in the morning, you have nothing, there's nothing but a day in front of the TV tomorrow, with no half-tos. That's a nice thing. That is happiness. You just spoke like into our souls. I think that's

exactly what makes us happy as well. Yeah, that was like perfect. Should we do one more question? Uh, yeah, why don't we do what are your favorite I like, but of course I have a different one hand. a fashionado about certain things and then certain bands, certain styles. You know, where I collect everything I see, know everything about it, or try to get to know everything about a certain band and anybody who's been in that band and any demo that they've ever made. And with different versions, with different differentiates the first version of the demo with the second, yeah, because they changed the address to all that stuff. Where, as I also like a lot of songs by artists that I don't give a rat's ass about

or what they're about for this, it's just just a nice it's just a great song. I've always been very very song driven ever ever since for as long as I can remember as I said the TV was on the radio was on we listened to music my brother had one set of records that he listened to my mom and myself and it was just a constant flow of music. So, therefore, I've never really shunned away and then obviously it can be a band or something that you'd like, I don't necessarily like the totality of their thing, but you know, this song is really good because of this little transition over here or that, that's brilliant. I have a forbless weakness for early 90s Euro disco. Wow, I love that. I didn't see that coming. I love how specific that is. Yeah, it's, you know, it's someone who really is it really in the know might might argue that it started before, but I

think that's generally between 1990, 1991 to 1994 and that's the cutoff date basically. There are a few songs that came in after that, around 96, 97, that's okay. But not only was it very creative, there was a lot of new technology that they used, a lot of new synths and a lot of that I just like the sound up. But there was a lot of great songwriting in that. That was powerful songs. And I think it also coincided with, you know, that was the age I was when, you know, I was adolescent. lesson and before you'd seen the loop and before you'd really started exploring what it's like being a teenager and all the heartache that brings with it, you know, being a 12-year-old walking through the city and at night on my way home with a friend having been to the you know the equivalent of blockbusters and we had a bunch of films and then you you know you went by the night club you know we all sort of live in a city so it was a very, like the night life was very near us, near around us.

And yeah, you saw like cute 18 year old girls. And then you heard the music from inside. And it just sounded appealing when you heard what is love and stuff like that. So I associate that with night life. The danger is very enticing night life that you could only watch from an outside point of view when you hadn't really explored anything of it for real. So therefore I am very fascinated you hadn't really explored anything of it for real. So therefore I am very fascinated with Euro Disco between 1991 and 1994.

That's incredible. So you like a feeling associated with a song, like you like when you can bring some nostalgia with it? I don't know if I like it, but I like the feeling of it, but I have to control it as well, because I can get stuck in feelings. And then I need to break it by listening to something else and just sort of take my head out of that.

Because it opens, as much as I'm a very imaginary or imaginative, what's the word? How do you say that? I have a lot of imagination. Yeah, you got it. Yeah. It also plays tricks on me. So I have, I don't want to say a good memory because I don't necessarily need to remember details.

And I may be not, especially because you didn't had any reach to certain maturity levels, so you can really handle what you saw. I might, my recollection might not be correct of what I saw, what happened, of something. But I have a very, very vast memory bank of almost my entire life. I can remember things pretty clearly from to probably and hours. That's what I-

And ever since I- and ever since I asked my mother once like what year is it? From that date I also know pretty much which year something happened or which month or. It's like an inner calendar which, and by listening to music or by listening to something, or watching a film or something, I can sort of open up gateways into the memory bank.

It's quite easily. And it's just like it's sometimes hard to know what to do with that information and those feelings. Because you remember so clearly, like, I'm not sure if I'm hard to know what to do with that information and those feelings because you remember so clearly like, oh, this song. Oh yeah, I remember I was at his house and that film had just come out. And we started talking about that. And then on the evening, he went over there. And oh yeah, it was an election just the day before and room. And you just

you be a great witness. I don't know. As I said, I'm also very I have a wild imagination. So it's sort of spins. I would trust myself. Yeah, I can fill in the blank sometimes. Yeah, this is why I work in the

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